From Atom to Cosmos (Itzhak Bentov)

[Freed Fox]

Where science and spirituality meet indeed...

The following video was first brought to my attention elsewhere by Finefeather last year, but I felt it deserved its own thread. On that note; many thanks to Finefeather for sharing this remarkable gem.

The first ~20 minutes features an interview with Itzhak Bentov himself, and the remainder is dedicated to a summary/presentation of his work and theories. It covers consciousness, perceptual reality, particle physics, and much more.

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Many of you will undoubtedly be familiar with several of the concepts, but I daresay there are at least a few insights along the way which will be new (unless of course you have seen this already, or read his books). At any rate, I'd welcome personal thoughts and feedback from you all relating to any facet of the content.

A bit of a disclaimer, issued by the presenter following the interview portion which, IMO, is indicative of a wise and thoughtful approach by Mr. Bentov (paraphrasing);

"...whenever he talked about these matters, he never claimed this to be any sort of ultimate teaching. He spoke about this as a working model. He would say; 'I speak from my present level of ignorance.'"

Also, although there are many potentially valuable nuggets of wisdom along the way, my favorite quote is:

"Love is the glue of the universe".

Things get really wild (yet amazing) when she delves into Itzhak's ideas regarding the modular structure of both consciousness and the cosmos (starting at around the 1 hr 20 min mark). Personally, given the immense and near-inconceivable nature of what he was attempting to describe, I doubt all of his conclusions about the broadest/deepest realities (given at the very end) are cut and dry or absolute fact. Still, it is truly quite fascinating.

I look forward to hearing any input you guys might have.

Be well, and enjoy. :)

[Red Skywalker]

You may read this thread from 2011:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31614-Asking-assistance-for-metaphysical-sacred-geometry-ideas&p=322141#post322141

The thread is dead, but is open. The story continues and is still in development.
But these developments are now done in Dutch language and not translated.

Red Skywalker

[chocolate]

Some would say
'as below so above',
or was it the other way around :)

Thank you Freed Fox!

* So than, I should be considered as a very 'spiritual' chocolate. *

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[Freed Fox]

Things get really wild (yet amazing) when she delves into Itzhak's ideas regarding the modular structure of both consciousness and the cosmos (starting at around the 1 hr 20 min mark).

I want to give a quick - albeit rough - overview of how Itzhak perceived the structure of the universe and the cosmos during his experiences in higher states of consciousness, for those unable to view the video, and alternatively to (hopefully) entice those who might be on the fence. Although it is nearly two hours in length, I strongly suggest that it is well worth the time.

He described the universe as appearing like a seed or egg in its structure:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2TRTATe5lHs/S-Vp9LaM9HI/AAAAAAAAEIY/TXqnuUToo7g/s400/Bentov_Universe_7.jpg

As matter flows out from the central point (arguably, a 'singularity' of sorts), it evolves (as does consciousness).

'Zooming out' so to speak, he saw something like this:

http://i.imgur.com/dgOmYKN.jpg

The DNA-like spiral is made up of many universes linked together in a strand. To be exact, each of the seven 'rungs' of the spiral was composed of seven universes, making a total of 49 universes in our cosmos. He recognized what appeared to be the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet at the top, representing a 'godhead' of sorts, but was told that his interpretation was backwards. The seers of ancient times had perceived these things as well, and incorporated them into the Hebrew language.

He perceived the apical structure/symbol to represent wisdom.

Stepping out further; what is beyond the level of cosmos?

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l280/kachina2012/BENTOVTetrahedronandTheSeedofLifeCo.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l280/kachina2012/BENTOV137Cosmosp53_text.jpg

Really makes one wonder...

[Flash]

This is truly amazing, extremely well explained albeit complex at times. I will definitely dwelve in his work. Many thanks Freed Fox. And thanks for the 2011 thread Red Skywalker. I am bookmarking everything.

[Freed Fox]

:bump:

(Would be shameless self promotion, but it's not my material...) :rolleyes:

[cloud9]

Great video, thanks a lot for sharing it, also the lady does a great job explaining the material.

[StandingWave]

Thank you for this pointer Freed Fox and Finefeather!

The diagrams of close-packed spheres in your post above, Freed Fox, could be straight out of Buckminster-Fuller's Synergetics (http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/synergetics.html). The close packing of seven circles in a plane is the core of Sacred Geometry. Charles Gilchrist has some beautiful videos (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gilchrist+sacred+geometry) introducing these concepts in SG.

Have you encountered 'Synergetics' before? I have been aware of it for an age already but, despite having delved into it often, have not yet had a chance to really dedicate the necessary attention to reading it through.

There are a few threads on Avalon that mention this work - a search for 'synergetics' returns twelve instances. Profoundly clarifying.

I look forward to viewing the video interview you reference in OP.

[Freed Fox]

Thanks for the comments.

StandingWave, I have not delved into Synergetics either, but have seen it mentioned (along with Buckminster-Fuller himself). I might have to check it out.

Has anyone here read Itzhak Bentov's books? I'm wondering if the video in the OP is an exhaustive presentation of that material, or a general overview? Do the books cover more material, or the same in considerably more detail? I agree with cloud9 in that the presenter does an excellent job with the presentation, so I don't feel much need to retread it in written form (if that is what it would essentially amount to). I'd like to hear how it compares, if anyone cares to elucidate.

Then again, I might end up wrangling those books up anyway. :p

[nenosema]

It's a good book. Although I have to admit I haven't finished it yet, it is sitting right here, it's funny that you bring it up because I just found it the other day.
It demands your attention to pay attention while he tries to explain things in science/meta or presudo, but once you get the the end of a `describing` you kind of get where he's going and what he may be etching it out to be.. a little hard to read because of that, but it's a good book.
He's very humble but has a set idea, like I think we all do, and.... Ideas do change.

It's not something that I personally enjoyed right off the bat, but I believe if one sets their mind to it and just sees what he's saying, it will be a gem. The diagrams are really neat too, I'm gonna pick it up again. The person who got me to get the book really, really enjoyed it, & made me make art because if it lol

I hope you will too :)



http://s18.postimg.org/rliubr7qx/i_will_guard_your_forest_by_daandric_d7cv4qh.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Glad to have you back!

[Freed Fox]

Hi nenosema, are you referring to one of Bentov's books, or one of Fuller's?

Thank you for your feedback, as well as the beautiful picture!

[nenosema]

The book is `Stalking the Wild Pendulum` by Itzhak Bentov

http://s3.postimg.org/80wtnxc4j/4862.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

[Freed Fox]

Bumping this just once more, seeing as last time it appeared to have caught the attention of a couple additional people. I do think that just about anyone can find something at least thought-provoking within the video, if not indeed profound.

The length is daunting, but you can always view it in chunks and mentally 'bookmark' your place for later. Odds are, if you get started on this one, you'll want to come back for the rest. :)

Still welcoming any thoughts and/or discussion from anyone so inclined.