Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, Israel, Iran, Turkey, Putin, China, and World War III

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear All,

I'm taking a step here I've not taken since 2009, when I published The Anglo-Saxon Mission. (http://projectavalon.net/anglo_saxon_mission.html)

For those who may be unfamiliar, The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://projectavalon.net/anglo_saxon_mission.html) was a detailed whistleblower report from someone who was IN THE ROOM, having been invited to a senior Masonic Meeting in the City of London... in which plans for World War III were being discussed.

The Avalon thread on the subject is here. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission)

I had the video subtitled in Chinese -- knowing full well that it would be picked up by the Chinese intelligence agencies. I WANTED them to know the plan against them. My intention was that they would report it up the line to a very senior level. Their responsibility and duty would have been to do that.

Now, I'm doing this again. The second half of this post is a translation into Russian. I WANT this to be picked up by the Russian intelligence agencies. So [*joke*] -- thank me at your peril. This thread will be watched carefully.

:)

And I WANT it to be read carefully -- by the Russians. I've already e-mailed it to a bunch of very able and aware Russian friends (and it may also be published in a Russian newspaper), and so if the Russian equivalent of the NSA is doing its surveillance job well, that e-mail will be read and reported with great interest. It has all the key words you can think of:



Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, Israel, Iran, Putin, World War III, nuclear, the 76th Air Assault Division, wargames, the US Naval War College, Seals, NATO, South Ossetia, EMP.

These are the two audio files referenced:


http://projectavalon.net/9_minute_Military_Intelligence_call_to_Alex_Jones_16_March_2014.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/8_minute_Joel_Skousen_WW_III_Scenario_Summary_28_Feb_2014.mp3

And here's the summary, with the Russian translation below.





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Dear ______ , and hello to all my other friends, wherever you are:

Many thanks for your 14 March e-mail about the very serious situation in Ukraine.

I have some additional information to share. What has been happening, and may be planned to happen next, is part of a much larger situation.

Attached are two audio files. The first is a 9 minute recording of a conversation between Alex Jones (the American journalist and radio host, who like many of us has a mission to expose the truth of what's really happening in the world) and a retired military officer who used to work in US Naval Intelligence. This man phoned into Alex Jones's radio show on 16 March with detailed information about the background to what is occurring.

This 9 minute audio is valuable and important. Because many reading this (in English or Russian) may find the English not easy to understand, I have summarized the content below.


What is happening now in Ukraine is exactly what was prepared in military wargames in 2008 and 2009 at the US Naval War College. It is all unfolding ('playing out') exactly as it was planned.



The intention is to get the Russian military stuck ("tied down or "bottled up") in a situation in Crimea and Ukraine, where, in particular, the 76th Air Assault Division (a special unit of highly-trained soldiers) will get bogged down. (In Russian: 76-я гвардейская десантно-штурмовая Черниговская Краснознаменная дивизия)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/76th_Air_Assault_Division_(Russia)
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/76-я_гвардейская_десантно-штурмовая_дивизия (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/76-%D1%8F_%D0%B3%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B0%D 0%BD%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D1%88%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%8F)



When that happens, the US will be free to attack Syria without opposition from the Russian military. When Syria falls, Israel will attack Iran. Iran is the actual target.



For this to happen, the Russians must be distracted with their attention stuck on the problems in Ukraine.



The intention is to provoke the Russians into using tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine. After that, the US will launch tactical nuclear weapons against the Russian forces from their submarines in the Black Sea.



NATO does not care about Ukraine. It's considered a "throw-away [disposable] country".



US Navy SEALs are right now identifying nuclear targets to be hit by American submarines in the Black Sea.



The situation in Georgia (South Ossetia) in August 2008 was a test to see how the Russians would respond. In that situation, they also deployed the 76th Air Assault Division. The US predicts that the Russians will do exactly the same thing again in Ukraine.



To support them, the Russians may ask the Chinese for help.



Iran, meanwhile, has had nuclear weapons for years, and may have an intention to strike the US with an EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse) weapon.



Obviously, this is an extremely dangerous situation that could itself easily escalate into a global conflict.



It is very important that the Russians understand what game is being played against them, and do not get drawn into this conflict in the way that the Americans want. In summary, it's all a trap, and the intention is to trick the Russians into believing Ukraine is where their major problems are.


(The following is not mentioned in the 9-minute audio file, but is discussed in a second audio file — an 8-minute conversation between Alex Jones and Joel Skousen. This is also attached.)



The reason why Iran is the actual target is that there has been a long term plan, extending over the last 20-30 years, to create a giant enemy in the Middle East. The intention is to unify the Middle Eastern nations (all except Israel) as one, large, anti-American alliance. This explains all US military strategy in the Middle East and all Islamic countries since before the First Iraq War.



When this large, united enemy has been created, the major war will then start. That will be World War III, which is planned to be a nuclear war. I explained all this in my 2009 video "The Anglo-Saxon Mission". This is translated into Russian, here:

http://projectavalon.net/lang/ru/anglo_saxon_mission_ru.html

http://projectavalon.net/lang/ru/anglo_saxon_mission_interview_transcript_ru.html (http://projectavalon.net/lang/ru/anglo_saxon_mission_interview_transcript_ru.html)
(http://projectavalon.net/lang/de/anglo_saxon_mission_de.html)

(For my German-speaking friends)



http://projectavalon.net/lang/de/anglo_saxon_mission_de.html


http://projectavalon.net/lang/de/anglo_saxon_mission_interview_transcript_de.html

http://projectavalon.net/lang/de/anglo_saxon_mission_presentation_transcript_de.html (http://projectavalon.net/lang/de/anglo_saxon_mission_presentation_transcript_de.html)


The intention there is to provoke Russia to strike the US first. The US will then respond (as the "victim"). This will be used by the Americans and their western allies to persuade the citizens that there must be a One World Government (The "New World Order") in order to make sure that this can never happen again.



As a result of this planned war,







all freedoms will be sacrificed,
all people will be totally monitored,
all financial transactions and travel will be heavily restricted,
any dissidents (people who disagree or protest) will be locked up in camps as "anti-social, dangerous, anti-government terrorists".



At that point, their goal of total world control will have been reached.


I salute, honor and thank you all for all the good work that you do.

(At this point I asked my friends to organize themselves to take whatever steps they could to mitigate and ameliorate the situation.)



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Дорогой ______! и так же приветсвую всех моих друзей, где бы вы не находились:

Огромное спасибо за ваше электронное письмо от 14 марта об очень серьёзной ситуации в Украине.

У меня есть некоторая добавочная информация, которой я хочу поделится. То что произошло, и то что может быть ещё запланировано произойти, является частью гораздо более масшабной ситуации.

Здесть приложены два аудио файла. Первый это 9-ти минутная запись разговора между Алексом Джонсом ( Американский журналист и радиоведущий, кто, как и многие из нас, взял на себя миссию открывать правду о том, что на самом деле происходит в мире) и офицером в отставке, который служил в Военно-Морской Разведке Соединённых Штатов. Этот человек позвонил по телефону на радиошоу Алекса Джонса 16 марта с детальной информацией, которая является основой того что произошло.

Эти 9 минут звукозаписи ценны и важны. И так как для многих из тех кто это читает (русскоязычных и англоязычных) может быть не легко понимать англи-
йский, я сделал конспект этой информации.


То что сейчас происходит в Украине является точной копией того, что было в военных играх в 2008 и 2009 в Американском Военно-Морском Соледже (Офицерское Военно-Морское Училище - по-российски) это всё разворачивается (проигрывается) точно так, как это было запланировано.



Спороцированно всё так, чтобы русские военные застряли (оказались отрезанными или окружены) в ситуации в Крыму и Украине, куда будет брошена 76-я Гвардейская десантно-штурмовая Черниговская Краснознаменная дивизия (специальное подразделение особо подготовленных воинов)

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/76-я_гвардейская_десантно-штурмовая_дивизия (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/76-%D1%8F_%D0%B3%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B0%D 0%BD%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D1%88%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%8F)







Когда это случится, Соединенные Штаты будут свободны атаковать Сирию, которая останется без поддержки русских военных. Когда Сирия будет побеждена, Израиль атакует Иран. Иран является главной целью.



Чтобы это случилось, внимание русских должно быть сконцентрированно на проблемах в Украине.



План в том, чтобы спровоцировать русских на использование тактического ядерного оружия в Украине. После этого США заложат тактическое ядерное оружие против Российских сил с их подводных лодок в Черном Море.



НАТО не заботиться о том что будет с Украиной. Они рассматривают её как расходную (на выброс) страну.



Военно-морские навигаторы США в данный момент определяют цель для удара с Американских подводных лодок в Черном Море.



Ситуация в Грузии (Южной Осетии) в августе 2008 была пробной, чтобы посмотреть, как Россия реагирует. В той ситуации, они так же использовали 76-ю Десантно-Штурмовую Девизию. США предположили, что Рсссия сделает тоже самое против Украины.



Возможно, что Россия спросит помощи у Китая.



Иран, тем временем, имеющий ядерное оружие уже несколько лет, возможно намеревается ударить по США оружием Электо-Магитных Импульсов.



Очевидно, что это экстримально опастная ситуация, которая сама по-себе легко может перейти в глобальный конфликт.



Таким образом, россиянам важно понять, что игра играется против них, и не втягиваться в конфликт путем, каким Америка этого хочет. С целом эта ловушка построена так, чтобы Россия поверила, что Украина - это то, где главная проблема.


( Последующее не включено в 9-минутною звукозапись, но это обсуждалось во второй звукозаписи - в 8-минутном разговоре между Алеском Джонсом и Джоел Скоузен. Это так же прилагается. )



Причина, почему Иран является главной целью в том, что существует долговренный план, протяжённостью 20-30 лет, по созданию гигантского врага на Среднем Востоке. В плане объединить все народы Среднего Востока (за исключением Израиля) как один огромный противо-Американский Альянс. Это объясняет всю военную стратегию США на Среднем Востоке и во всех Исламских странах со времен Первой Войны в Ираке.



Когда этот большой, объединённый враг будет создан, главная война будет начата. Это будет Третья Мировая Война, которая планируется быть ядерной войной. Я объяснил всё это в моём видео от 2009 года “Англо-Саксонская Миссия”. Здесь перевод на русский :

http://projectavalon.net/lang/ru/anglo_saxon_mission_ru.html

http://projectavalon.net/lang/ru/anglo_saxon_mission_interview_transcript_ru.html (http://projectavalon.net/lang/ru/anglo_saxon_mission_interview_transcript_ru.html)



В намерения входит спровоцировать Россию ударить по США первой. Затем США ответят (как “жертва”). Это будет использовано Американцами и западными союзниками чтобы убедить граждан в необходимости Единого Мирового Правительства (Новый Мировой Порядок) чтобы быть уверенными, что такого никогда больше не случится.



Результаты этой запланированной войны:







все свободы буду принесены в жертву,
будет тотальная слежка за всеми людьми,
всё дженежные операции и передвижения людей будут сильно сокращены и под строгим контролем,
любые дессиденты (несогластные или протестующие люди) будут изолированны в лагерях как “инти-социальные, опастные, анти-правительственные террористы”.o Таким образом их цель тотального мирового контроля будет достигнута.



Таким образом их цель тотального мирового контроля будет достигнута.


Мой салют, почтение и благодарность всем вам за всю хорошую работу, которую вы делаете.

[Ernest]

*Tentatively thanks Bill for his post*

[ghostrider]

The side effect of nuclear strikes helps their endgame also , population reduction by any means ... I remember the Anglo Saxon video , it was one of the first Videos I sat down and watched with the attention is deserves ... you covered a lot of information , and it all tied together neatly ... good job Bill , as always ...

[S-L]

Interesting information. I have a question: if the US and Russia (which was then the Soviet Union) chose to avoid direct confrontation during the Cold War, why would elements within the US choose otherwise now? Russia can still just as readily destroy the US. What has changed in their calculations?

According to the Allies of Humanity (http://www.alliesofhumanity.org), there are elements within the US and Russian governments that have been cooperating with each other against the Alien threat to this planet. I'm certain these same elements will act to prevent the above scenario.

“Are any of the world’s governments resisting the Intervention?”

Yes, the United States and Russia are resisting the Intervention. That is one of the reasons they have ceased their competition that was so destructive over many decades. They are more cooperative now, for they realize they need one another to be successful in offsetting the impacts and the persuasion that is being cast upon humanity.

There are smaller governments assisting now, but primarily it is these two greater powers that hold such great military strength and persuasion in the world. It is they who had fallen under alien deception, and it is they who have now turned against the Intervention.

[Cidersomerset]

I noticed this on RT....


•When that happens, the US will be free to attack Syria without opposition from
the Russian military. When Syria falls, Israel will attack Iran. Iran is the actual target



TYzRcHjyPEQ

Published on 19 Mar 2014

Washington ordered the Syrian government to suspend its diplomatic and consular missions
in the US. All non-American staff were also told to leave the country. RT's Marina Portnaya
explains the reasoning behind the move. READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/2aegqd

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Israel has been annexing bits of its neighbours land for the past 60 years
and are eying the Golan Heights....

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19 March 2014 Last updated at 16:55

Israeli air strikes in Golan 'kill Syrian soldier'

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73678000/jpg/_73678272_73675466.jpg
The Golan Heights, a rocky plateau in south-western Syria, has great political and strategic significance

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67661000/gif/_67661012_golan_304_2.gif

Read more..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26641815

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Theres a hell of a lot going on at the minute and conflict is on a knife edge,
The US & UK are guarantors of an independent Ukraine so plans must be
being made for NATO to be used if ethnic Russians in the east wish to join
the Russian federation. I think it will be hard to start action over the Crimea
as thats a different issue with a unique history.I know the hawks are hovering.
Although not all are being hoodwinked.


E9LXrXyJOWQ

Published on 19 Mar 2014


In a new Washington Post op-ed, former Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) asks why it is that
when Scotland, Catalonia, and Venice seek to secede from unresponsive governments,
the West turns a blind eye. Paul cites double standards and points out that when
elections were held in US occupied Iraq, they were called a "triumph of democracy,"
yet the Crimea referendum is blasted as "illegal" due to the Russian "occupation."
RT's Gayane Chichakyan takes a look at the Libertarian-leaning politician's latest remarks.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

Alex Jones bothers me

[Chip]

Bill,
Peace to you and my heartfelt appreciation. We must be knights in this day surrounded by Pawns.
You are a Knight. Stay safe.
Chipper

[Bill Ryan]

Alex Jones bothers me

If he heard you say that, he'd probably make a pointed joke and say that he'd hope that he does. :)

In this case, Alex's opinions have no bearing on the information:


http://projectavalon.net/9_minute_Military_Intelligence_call_to_Alex_Jones_16_March_2014.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/8_minute_Joel_Skousen_WW_III_Scenario_Summary_28_Feb_2014.mp3
The Anglo-Saxon Mission. (http://projectavalon.net/anglo_saxon_mission.html)

[Yoda]

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Dear All,

I'm taking a step here I've not taken since 2009, when I published The Anglo-Saxon Mission. (http://projectavalon.net/anglo_saxon_mission.html)

For those who may be unfamiliar, The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://projectavalon.net/anglo_saxon_mission.html) was a detailed whistleblower report from someone who was IN THE ROOM, having been invited to a senior Masonic Meeting in the City of London... in which plans for World War III were being discussed.

The Avalon thread on the subject is here. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission)

I had the video subtitled in Chinese -- knowing full well that it would be picked up by the Chinese intelligence agencies. I WANTED them to know the plan against them. My intention was that they would report it up the line to a very senior level. Their responsibility and duty would have been to do that.

Now, I'm doing this again. The second half of this post is a translation into Russian. I WANT this to be picked up by the Russian intelligence agencies. So [*joke*] -- thank me at your peril. This thread will be watched carefully.

:)

Well Bill, it's a "MOVE", I hope it tilts in the right direction.
Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com (http://www.energy-oneness.com)

[ghostrider]

I did hear today that Israel bombed some Syrian targets in the Golan heights area ...in response to a car bombing ... Netanyahu said , we ( Israel ) hurt those that hurt us ... it's almost like everyone is fighting everyone ...

[Sophocles]

Thanks, Bill.

I just notified the russian embassy in Oslo about this information.

[HaveBlue]

It all looks like the typical way the U.S military is used to conduct the 'oil biddness'.
They put the 'standard' in Rockefellers Standard Oil.

[Cidersomerset]

•Iran, meanwhile, has had nuclear weapons for years, and may have
an intention to strike the US with an EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse) weapon


If true what is this charade ? and more dots to connect. Probably is why Israel
and the Neo -cons want to derail any economic deal and attack Iran because
they fear them getting more exotic weapons, or at least destroy their nukes.

Theres a lot of things that start to make a bigger picture. I posted this as you
can see its going on now. As you may tell I'm going thru the news channels..LOL

The answer of course these bureaucrats do not know the bigger picture and
a facade of normal politicking is usually kept up until it boils over into conflict,
compromise or impasse.

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19 March 2014 Last updated at 16:43

Iran's Zarif 'sees signs of comprehensive nuclear deal'Catherine Ashton and
Mohammad Javad Zarif in Vienna (19 March 2014) Mohammad Javad Zarif said he
was "optimistic" about meeting the 20 July deadline for a long-term deal


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73686000/jpg/_73686274_73681972.jpg


Iran's foreign minister has said he sees "signs" of a comprehensive deal on its
nuclear programme, after talks with world powers, Iranian media report.
Mohammad Javad Zarif was quoted by the Fars news agency as saying "an
understanding is possible that respects the rights of the Iranian nation".
Earlier, he and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said their two days of talks
in Vienna had been "substantive".

They also agreed to resume discussions in the Austrian capital next month.

Iran and the P5+1 - the US, UK, France, China and Russia plus Germany - are
seeking to build on an interim deal signed in November, which saw Tehran curb
uranium enrichment in return for partial sanctions relief.

The world powers want Iran to scale back its sensitive nuclear activities
permanently to ensure that it cannot assemble a nuclear weapon.


Iranian Foreign Minister

But Iran says its nuclear work, which it insists is peaceful, will continue - and wants
an end to the sanctions that have crippled its economy.After their latest meeting,
Mr Zarif and Baroness Ashton issued a joint statement saying they had "substantive
and useful discussions covering a set of issues", including uranium enrichment, the
heavy-water reactor at Arak, civil nuclear co-operation and sanctions.

"We will meet again on 7-9 April 2014 in Vienna and continue our work on the
substantial areas which we intend to cover in a comprehensive agreement. In the
meantime, technical experts will meet to further elaborate on the details of the
relevant issues."

Mr Zarif subsequently told reporters: "At this stage we are trying to get an idea...
of the issues that are involved and how each side sees various aspects of this
problem."

He added that he was "optimistic" about meeting the 20 July deadline for a long-
term deal.However, a senior US official warned that it would be very difficult to
overcome the issues surrounding Iran's uranium enrichment activities, including
monitoring, the Natanz and Fordo facilities, and its stockpiles of enriched uranium.

"It's a gap that's going to take some hard work to get to a place where we can find
agreement," the official said.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73686000/jpg/_73686278_6f1c5a17-9d3a-4937-8fe5-31811aad3bb3.jpg

The official added that differences over the heavy-water reactor under construction
at Arak, from whose spent fuel plutonium could be extracted by a reprocessing
plant, remained similarly wide.

Without giving details, the official said there were "many options" for Arak.

The US has previously suggested converting it into a light-water reactor, which
experts say would produce less plutonium and therefore present less of a
proliferation threat.

Mr Zarif told reporters on Wednesday that the Arak reactor was "part of Iran's
nuclear programme and will not be closed down" but did not explicitly rule out
modifying it.

Last month, the head of the Atomic Energy Organisation of Iran said it could
introduce some design changes to allay the P5+1's concerns.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26643505

[Spacyman]

This plan was already known in the mid 90's and was extensively described in the book "Le livre jaune #5" (Yellow book #5), written by 3 insiders. It is quite disturbing how much things corroborate and seems to be right on plan 2 decades later.

For anyone able to read french, I HIGHLY recommend you to read this book. It is the bible on the new world order conspiracy as far as I know. It literally changed my vision of the world 10 years ago.

Free PDF here :

http://fr.scribd.com/doc/3310821/Livre-Jaune-N5

[galilava]

Just when we thought that they've run out of plans!, it turns out that everything is under control...
........I believe that Russia does not need help. I am sure that they do not lack information either.
People say: those who dig a grave for somebody, fall in it first. (there must be something similar in English)

[CaptnNemo]

This plan was already known in the mid 90's and was extensively described in the book "Le livre jaune #5" (Yellow book #5), written by 3 insiders. It is quite disturbing how much things corroborate and seems to be right on plan 2 decades later.

For anyone able to read french, I HIGHLY recommend you to read this book. It is the bible on the new world order conspiracy as far as I know. It literally changed my vision of the world 10 years ago.

Free PDF here :

http://fr.scribd.com/doc/3310821/Livre-Jaune-N5

Here is a small excerpt probably translated from the book itself which might be just a little off topic but does show what kind of info you might find in the whole book. I just can't seem to find a full blown english version of it all.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_vril04.htm

Cheers

Sam

[Rocky_Shorz]

Just when we thought that they've run out of plans!, it turns out that everything is under control...
........I believe that Russia does not need help. I am sure that they do not lack information either.
People say: those who dig a grave for somebody, fall in it first. (there must be something similar in English)

that wasn't a grave, it was a rabbit hole... ;)

I think we are staying ahead, exposing their plans before they are fulfilled prevents their attempt...

thanks Bill, for once again sticking your neck out to let PTW know they can't get away with it...

[christian]

If you wanna share the YouTube of Alex's conversation with the retired Navy intel officer, it's here:

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Here's it at the end of a section with Alex's analysis and other callers:

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My hunch is that Russia has been well aware all the time that Iran and the war in the Middle East are the main targets. You don't just "forget" about something as big as that.

A great danger that I see in all this are possible false flags. These are getting exposed quickly nowadays but they still work to some degree. Many folks who don't read alternative news probably still think that Assad is the one killing his own people and that the new Ukrainian government is all about freedom.

Worldwide the economy and finances go rapidly downhill, so a war as a distraction would benefit all of the control freak sociopath governments from Russia to China to America, you name it. Wanna rally a population behind the leader, regardless of what a scumbag he is, start a war. It's as old as history.

What the Crimea situation definitely created is a lot of anxiety and animosities among regular people who should be concerned with just living their lives and empowering themselves. Now, for contrived reasons, a lot of people hate and despise other people halfway around the globe and wouldn't object too much if their leaders gave the order to shoot. That's mass hypnosis.

In a way one should be glad though; bigger challenges equal bigger opportunities. Let's get the word out and use this one well.

[Tesseract]

I think we have to acknowledge the heroism of those who are fighting this war on the ground every day, and I am referring to the Syrian Arab Army as well as Hezbollah. For them, WWIII is a reality. They have faced off wave after relentless wave of the most depraved, murderous, sub-human lifeforms on the planet for some time now. It has been a war of attrition with huge loss of life. The horrific depravity of the Nazis themselves (you know, those Europeans from times not so long past) is being rendered mundane in the wake of the exploits of the Syrian rebels and their Western champions.

The heroes of the SAA follow in the footsteps of the Libyan armed forces who fought the same battles, and won them with the support of the people (whether they really liked Gaddafi or not). Then, when they had the war won, the spiteful and evil NATO bombs rained down, bombing every target that popped up in the mind of some coward war planner in Paris, or London or Washington. The helicopters swooped in and strafed people in the streets. Apartments were bombed, the state media was bombed, schools, radio towers, water infrastructure, as well as the army, navy and airforce were bombed without mercy. They dropped so many bombs the combined forces of Europe exhausted their inventories – but nothing a short phone call to Raytheon and a few hundred million dollars couldn’t fix. And so the Jamahiriya forces fought this impossible war for six months - when it should have only taken a few weeks at most for them to be defeated.

The resistance in such places as Sirte and Bani Walid, which were bombed relentlessly throughout the war, will share a place in history with the other great hero-cities such as Stalingrad and Leningrad. The American filth even resorted to the use of thermobaric weapons, the so-called poor man’s nuke, with a lethal blast area over a kilometre across, in attempts to break open these cities to the attacking rabid dogs on the ground. In the end, Sirte was destroyed, but Bani Walid never fell – when the war was over they opened the gates to begin the reconciliation process.

Hezbollah, which fought back the Zionist army during the invasion of Lebanon in 2006, when the Israelis were bombing apartment blocks, power stations, airports, as a part of this ill-fated invasion whose every atrocity politically backed, funded and cheered on by the Western filth regimes we are all familiar with, with the US government scum taking the lead cheer leading role. During this war the ratio of enemy soldiers to civilians killed was higher for Hezbollah than it was for the IDF, giving the lie to the claim that these fighters are terrorists when the IDF are not. Now, Hezbollah has made what is a politically courageous decision to make a stand against those who wish to destroy Syria – at a time when the Hamas leadership has, by default, virtually stabbed Syria in the back. On the ground, the Palestinian people are largely supporting the Syrian government and Hezbollah, despite every attempt to convince them to do the opposite.

So in Syria, the SAA is faced with the simultaneous offence of the international jihadist filth, converging on Syria like hungry rats from almost every country on the planet. An invasion that is so organised the US is openly running a training base for these dogs in Jordan (which ironically has a recent bloody history of regime orchestrated mass murder and torture, and is not a democracy). Meanwhile weapons are being funneled in by NATO countries as well as their Saudi friends, as well as at least hundreds of millions of dollars and battle field intelligence. They also get the full might of the western propaganda machine. In addition to that you have Israel hitting hey targets via air strikes, and the not-quite disappeared threat of a repeat of the Libya holocaust by the NATO Neo-Luftwaffe. Does it sound like WWIII yet?

Somehow Syria has prevailed, for now, and is scoring significant victories all across the country. Isn’t that quite peculiar, for a government that has no support, for an army that has no support? Isn’t that peculiar for a people so desperate to throw away the country they knew and usher in the Syria that the rebels were offering them?

Maybe you believe in the NWO theory, maybe you don’t, maybe you just don’t like US hegemony and war-mongering. Either way, the SAA and Hezbollah are on the ground, resisting valiantly the enemy – their enemy and also our enemy. You may be one of those people who just conveniently says ‘both sides are bad’ – well, what will you do when the beast slouches into your neck of the woods?

[Flash]

This should be translated in Turkish, Arab for Syria and Persian for Iran as well, in my opinion.

Turkey is with the US usually in terms of military strategies, but the Turkish people would not want any nuclear launch from the black sea which is at 30 km from Istanbul. Plus the fact that American submarines and boats have to go to the Black sea by passing in the Bosphorus which cut in half the city of Istanbul, therefore through Istanbul, with its 15 millions inhabitants.

Hopefully their newspapers would pick it up.

I am sure Iranian will pick it up if in Persian.

And thanks Bill.

[Hawkwind]

... When I think about stuff like this, I always wonder, well, why haven't they done it already? They could always make up excuses to pull the trigger on WWIII and implement the NWO. I mean, why it didn’t happen after 9/11. If they want to pull the trigger, they would pull the trigger ...

Due to its pyramidal organization, the NWO cabal cannot carry out its plans unless chains of command are followed. For that to happen the majority of people at each level of the command structure must believe that what they are doing is necessary and right. There are probably less than 10,000 people on the planet who actually want to foment a third world war. Even the majority of them have probably been misled into believing that its a necessary evil and the end will justify the means.

Only the people, person or other entity at the very apex of the pyramid, however, knows what the actual planned ends are. If people are taught the end justifies the means, they would also be encouraged to lie, cheat and steal to accomplish objectives. The more successful one becomes at this, the higher one would rise within the organization. The highest ranking people within such an organization then would be some of the least honest and most ruthless people on the planet.

The attacks of September 11, 2001 are probably the most historically significant event of my lifetime. Every major intelligence agency on the planet (and their respective governments) knows the official story is a lie. The fact that none of them have come forward to expose the truth proves to me that (for whatever reason) they have chosen to go along with the cabal’s plans.

If any major world leader truly wanted to avert WWIII, coming forward with the truth on this subject is all I believe it would take. If the soldiers being sent to Iraq and Afghanistan had known the truth of who was behind 9/11 they would more likely have hunted down Bush than Saddam. If they learned the truth now they certainly wouldn’t march off to Syria, Iran or anywhere else (with the possible exception of Washington.)

Again, the NWO’s plans can only succeed if chains of command are followed. Given the nature of the plans, that can only happen if people at each level of the command structure are duped into believing that what they are doing is necessary and good. So, if you’re among the 7 billion people who don’t want to bring about a nuclear war- educate yourself and educate others, stop cooperating with the forces who do want to bring this about, treat others as you would like to be treated, and tell the truth.


Addendum- Within an hour of posting this I was no longer able to connect via the ISP it was sent from. Maybe just a coincidence, but if others have similar problems please post them.

[Hervé]

Albert Pike's letter to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871:



"The First World War must be brought about in order to (http://www.libertyforlife.com/nwo/albert_pike.htm#ww1)permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."




"The Second World War must be fomented by (http://www.libertyforlife.com/nwo/albert_pike.htm#ww2)taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."




"The Third World War must be fomented by (http://www.libertyforlife.com/nwo/albert_pike.htm#ww3) taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

[Limor Wolf]

Wesley Clark, A retired Army General and a West Point graduate was speaking at the Commonwealth club in California in 2007 about the intentioned plans of the US in the Iraq war days to move on and invade another 7 countries in 5 years. This testimony complements that of Bill's 'Anglo Saxon Mission' insider by the mere fact that such wars are planned well ahead, for obvious inferious reasons whether by the British cabal or by the US one, both are the same controling forces. Which brings back the question, what is the 'higher' story here? and is Russia and China are really on the other side? or is this 'shebang' an orchastrated event with various players all playing their part but are all playing on the same side.. anyway, this video is worth listening to


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu8sss-8B28

[ThePythonicCow]

http://blog.codinghorror.com/content/images/uploads/2009/05/6a0120a85dcdae970b01287770901f970c-pi.png

We have met our future, and we are it

[Cidersomerset]

This item is on Davids site ...

In this interview Ex-Israeli Air Security Chief Yeffet also
says the Iranians were behind 9/11 this follows an article the other
day that it was Iran behind Lockerbie bomb. This could be used in
an Iraq style ' Dodgy Dossier' report ? point the finger at Tehran
long enough and hope the mainstream press buy it. The public
in the US and UK are war weary so a lot of lobbying or another
false flag will be needed to drag us into another conflict.


Ex-Israeli Air Security Chief Yeffet: Iran May Be Behind Jet Mystery

new Thursday 20th March 2014 at 07:16 By David Icke


http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/false-flag-warning.jpg


‘Iranian intelligence officials may be behind the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines
Flight 370 earlier this month, former El Al Airlines security chief Isaac Yeffet says.

“We have bad experiences with the Iranians, unfortunately…. I would not be
surprised… if one of the intelligence bodies, group of Iranians, were involved,”
Yeffet told “The Steve Malzberg Show” on Newsmax TV.

“They will land [the aircraft] in place that nobody will know. It will take years, if not
more, to find what’s happened with this aircraft.”‘

Read more: Ex-Israeli Air Security Chief Yeffet: Iran May Be Behind Jet Mystery

Short Vid on link below

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/iran-malaysia-flight-missing/2014/03/18/id/560348/?promo_code=1488E-1&utm_source=1488Ehaaretz&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Referee]

I ran across this today from Daboo7 a story published in Russia in 2008 predicting WW 3 started in the Crimea by Obama

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original article

http://www.utro.ru/articles/2008/12/26/789711.shtml

[Cidersomerset]

This is interesting, 2015 could be the first year for a century that British troops
are not fighting somewhere. If you count expanding and policing the empire its
much longer . I said above the public are war weary not TPTB ......

The Anglo Saxon mission is the extension of the old Empire days.

So there is room in the war diary for 2015 !!

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British Killing Trend – U.K. Foreign Policy Limited to ‘Humanitarian’ Pro-War Choices

Thursday 20th March 2014 at 03:36 By David Icke


http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Warmongers1-320x239.jpg


‘News that 2015 might turn out to be the first year since 1914 when British troops
will not be fighting a war somewhere in the world appeared to come as a shock to
many. But in fact, the British record of Permanent War stretches back much
further. Seumas Milne commented in the Guardian that empire forces ‘were
involved in violent suppression of anti-colonial rebellions every year from at least
the 1760s for the next 200 years, quite apart from multiple other full-scale wars’.

One might think a rational society would try to identify and counter the institutional
forces responsible for hundreds of years of continuous war. Basic questions could
be asked: Who actually shapes foreign policy? What are their goals? How much
influence does the public really have? In our society, as we have noted, defence
issues are barely mentioned at election time, while foreign policy options among
the major parties are limited to pro-war choices.’

If the great and good of politics, academia and media are to be believed, there is
nothing to discuss, UK policy has always been guided by humanitarian values.
Winston Churchill described ‘the reputation of the British empire as a valiant and
benignant force in the history of mankind’. (Quoted, Mark Curtis, The Ambiguities
of Power, Zed Books, 1995, p.1)

A professor of government at the University of Manchester described Britain as ‘a
defender of political freedom’. (Ibid, p.2)

Shortly after Nato began pounding Afghanistan in 2001, the Guardian’s editors
commented on a speech by Tony Blair:

‘The core of the speech – intellectual as well as moral – came when he contrasted
the west’s commitment to do everything possible to avoid civilian casualties and the
terrorists’ proven wish to cause as many civilian casualties as possible… Let them
do their worst, we shall do our best, as Churchill put it. That is still a key
difference.’ (Leader, ‘Blair plays it cooler – A new tone, but few new answers,’ The
Guardian, October 31, 2001)

Alternatively, we can turn to the official record. Released government documents
indicate, for example, the thinking behind the mid-twentieth century wars in
Southeast Asia. The UK, the US and France agreed that it was ‘important for the
economy of Western Europe that Western Europe trading and business interests in
Southeast Asia should be maintained’, since it was ‘rich in natural resources and
certain countries in the area at present produce surplus foodstuffs’. (Quoted, Ibid, p.20)

Similarly: ‘The position of the rulers of the Persian Gulf might be thought of as that
of independence, regulated, supervised and defined’ by the British government. (US
Department of State memorandum, 15 March, 1946. Quoted, Ibid, p.22)

Similar perspectives and motives for ‘intervention’ are revealed wherever we look
and universally labelled ‘defence of democracy’.

Read more: British Killing Trend – U.K. Foreign Policy Limited to 'Humanitarian' Pro-War Choices

http://www.globalresearch.ca/british-killing-trend-u-k-foreign-policy-limited-to-humanitarian-pro-war-choices/5374355

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/


====================================================

This follows an article yesterday....

How the British public is being emotionally blackmailed to support wars it never wanted

Wednesday 19th March 2014 at 03:21 By David Icke


http://www.stopwar.org.uk/images/news/afghan_cameron_mission_accomplished_460.jpg


‘Last week Ed Miliband visited Afghanistan and promised that a future Labour
government would make it illegal to ‘abuse’ and ‘discriminate’ against members of
the British armed forces. The origins of this proposal go back to the 2008 National
Recognition of the Armed Forces report commissioned by Gordon Brown and drawn
up by Tory defector Quentin Davies, which included a raft of proposals on how to
change the public image of the armed forces. These included a greater public
presence of uniformed soldiers, and an expansion of cadet forces in schools – and
legislation banning discrimination against anyone wearing the ‘Queen’s uniform.’ .

Since then the prospect of an anti-discrimination bill has flitted in and out of public
view, mostly as a Labour initiative. In the summer of 2013, pressure for a new law
re-emerged, boosted by a poll which found that 1 in five servicemen and women
had experienced some form of discrimination, including the exclusion of uniformed
soldiers from pubs and restaurants to physical and verbal insults.

There are, of course, laws that prevent physical or verbal assaults on soldiers
already – because soldiers have the same rights as other members of the public.
But now Miliband proposes to make it an ‘aggravated’ offense if servicemen and
women are subjected to such assaults, leading to a potentially more serious
sentence, in order to provide them with ‘ extra protection, similar to religious
groups, ethnic minorities, and disabled people’.’

Read more: How the British public is being emotionally blackmailed to support wars it never wanted

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/news/how-the-british-public-is-being-emotionally-blackmailed-into-the-remilitarisation-of-society#.UyqnJI1OWUl



There are lots of articles on Davids site about all this....

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/2014/03/19/

[Redstar Kachina]

pray peace.

[Limor Wolf]

This item is on Davids site ...

In this interview Ex-Israeli Air Security Chief Yeffet also
says the Iranians were behind 9/11 this follows an article the other
day that it was Iran behind Lockerbie bomb. This could be used in
an Iraq style ' Dodgy Dossier' report ? point the finger at Tehran
long enough and hope the mainstream press buy it. The public
in the US and UK are war weary so a lot of lobbying or another
false flag will be needed to drag us into another conflict.


Ex-Israeli Air Security Chief Yeffet: Iran May Be Behind Jet Mystery

new Thursday 20th March 2014 at 07:16 By David Icke


http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/false-flag-warning.jpg



I have worked for the Israeli Air security for three years after my military service. Nasty things are happening there.

[Aurelius]

This plan was already known in the mid 90's and was extensively described in the book "Le livre jaune #5" (Yellow book #5), written by 3 insiders. It is quite disturbing how much things corroborate and seems to be right on plan 2 decades later.

For anyone able to read french, I HIGHLY recommend you to read this book. It is the bible on the new world order conspiracy as far as I know. It literally changed my vision of the world 10 years ago.

Free PDF here :

http://fr.scribd.com/doc/3310821/Livre-Jaune-N5

download the pdf here (http://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2013/11/14/livre-jaune-n-7/livre-jaune-n-7.pdf)

[crosby]

https://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=ln&ei=rdgqU4rGJMHrqQGE6oCoBA&ved=0CAgQqS4oBQ


Thursday 20 March 2014 Ukraine , World
Ukraine: Russia planning 'full blown' military intervention

There are "indications" that Russia may be planning a military intervention in the south and east of Ukraine, Kiev's ambassador to the United Nations warns.
Vladimir Putin, Ukraine defence forces and David Cameron (picture: Getty)

"There are indications that Russia is on its way to unleash a full blown military intervention in Ukraine's east and south," Yurii Klymenko said.

His statement was widely supported by other UN ambassadors, but challenged by a Russian diplomat, who read a prepared statement justifying Russia's actions so far.

Meanwhile, EU leaders are meeting in Brussels to discuss extending travel bans and assets freezes against Russian political figures.

warmest,
crosby

[panopticon]

Albert Pike's letter to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871:


"The Second World War must be fomented by (http://www.libertyforlife.com/nwo/albert_pike.htm#ww2)taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."



G'day Amzer Zo,

I'm not familiar with these passages but wonder how did Pike write about Nazism in 1871 when the term itself didn't exist until the 1920's? Also there was no International Communism in 1871 either.

Was he a psychic? A quick search seems to indicate he was a Confederate officer. Am I missing something here? Is there a verified copy of the original letter somewhere?

-- Pan

[Azt]

I think Russia knows the game at least since 2008. Question is: Russia is with the cabal like the others or not ?


Russian article from 2008: "Obama will trigger World War III starting from the Crimea peninsula"
[link to www.utro.ru
Translation from google translate:

Obama begins the third world in the Crimea Remember this page!

December 26 , 16:58 | Arseny Palkin


Lenty.ru: Japan Crimea is not a hindrance
REGNUM: Yatsenuk forced to speak in Russian
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Under the new U.S. President Barack Obama in the Crimea will be implemented scenario of armed conflict. " It is the American scenario , and under Obama the probability is much higher than under McCain, " - said at a roundtable in Kiev, Russian political scientist Andrei Okara , said " New Region " .
Expert explains : "It became clear when it was announced that what people will represent the Obama team . These are people whose professional registration - Wall Street. These people are engaged in a technology called " technologies of controlled chaos . "

According to Okara , after Georgia area " controlled chaos " in the first place , was to be the Ukraine, namely - Crimea . " This is the point of a fire , including global conflicts that escalate into a world war , which, unfortunately , is one of the scenarios , the implementation of which at the moment from the real " - says the analyst.

His colleague from the Ukrainian Institute of Russia Andrey Blinov agree that Russia is not interested in such a conflict . " When people talk about the war in the Crimea or in the hamlet St. Michael , I believe that this scenario is marginal . A question more active economic participation of Russian capital is very likely. But it depends on when the crisis is over . If in 2010 , while Russia will be much weaker , "- said the expert .

[Hervé]

Good point Pan, see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53442-Now-that-the-distractions-of-predicted-catastrophes-have-come-and-gone-what-s-left&p=603963&viewfull=1#post603963) (<---) for a discussion of that letter and this one (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26195-POLICE-STATE-How-it-came-about-in-the-US-of-A&p=270679&viewfull=1#post270679) (<---) for evidence that "they" were behind schedule for their WW I (starting at: "Rodman brought me the historical records from the Skull and Bone’s Crypt.").

As for psychic gift (or sript follower) here is the view from Angelo Roncalli AKA Pope John XXIII in -- allegedly -- 1935:


The son of the Beast locked in the lair, holding tight to the other's wife. On his death, the mystery. But beware the one who left the lair at the end. He will take long to die and will prepare the world other scourges. He knows the true face of the Beast.

The Son of the Beast, brought forth in one year.

Nuremberg the unjust. The killers are absent. Some of them on the judges' bench. This shadow spreads far.

The president will fall, fall his brother will. Between them the cadaver of the innocent star. There are some who know. Ask the first black widow and the man who will lead her on the island to the altar. (Jackie Kennedy became Onassis on "Scorpio island"...). Their secrets lie in weapons, in crimes. And those are the secrets of the one who wasn't at Nuremberg.

Three will shoot on the president; the third one will be among the three who will strike on the second.

Time has nurtured a troubled spirit, in the shadow of the black and red cross, unknown to everyone, daughter of the Nuremberg fugitives. She weaved crime against herself. Some give up on life for evil’s love.

Israel who fights and suffers, no less than who attacks you and who doesn't know how to share your pain. You are brothers, someone prods you to fight while remaining hidden. Here the world destiny is decided. And in the palace where nations hug, the fugitive from the lair is very much alive. (Kurt Waldheim, former UN president was discovered to be a former active Nazi). From the palace, hate towards Israel. And this will be a sign of ruin.

From the South against Luther* and the heirs of Nuremberg, those who were missing, those who were sitting on the judges seats. The one who was the slave colony of salt and copper imposes her people's will.

Only today ends Nuremberg. But beware the face which smiles and comes from the South, more south than all of them. His heart was always north, he came back to take it back with his black brothers. There is still fear, but in peace all the men from high and low Luther will look for someone. And the day a woman will pledge on the renovated bible will be day of peace.

*(America; the sons of Luther are the Americans in Roncalli's speech, from the Protestants who came to America to escape religious persecutions; as well, the French are the "Sons of Joan/Jeanne [d'Arc]")

[Flash]

This plan was already known in the mid 90's and was extensively described in the book "Le livre jaune #5" (Yellow book #5), written by 3 insiders. It is quite disturbing how much things corroborate and seems to be right on plan 2 decades later.

For anyone able to read french, I HIGHLY recommend you to read this book. It is the bible on the new world order conspiracy as far as I know. It literally changed my vision of the world 10 years ago.

Free PDF here :

http://fr.scribd.com/doc/3310821/Livre-Jaune-N5

download the pdf here (http://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2013/11/14/livre-jaune-n-7/livre-jaune-n-7.pdf)

Thank you for the lead. You sent us here to Livre Jaune Number 7 in pdf (here button)

Here is the link for Livre Jaune Number 5nin pdf

http://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2012/06/09/livre-jaune-n-5/

I remember very well reading it at the time and thinking the plans were machiavelic - in fact, having problems to think it could be true, and here we are.

[Shikasta]

Panopticon, I wondered something similar. So I went looking and found this:

http://wideshut.co.uk/albert-pikes-3-world-wars-letter-hoax-wideshut-webcast/

As it says, that wars are fomented in advance is not denied, just the false attribution of these words to Pike.

[Cardillac]

"US Navy SEALs are right now identifying nuclear targets to be hit by American submarines in the Black Sea"- the only thing I can state about this is: a new co-worker of mine (Latvian) said that according to his news sources a few days ago a US Navy Seal was captured in the Ukraine and is being interrogated by Russian forces- so maybe the Russians will learn some things...

please be well Bill and all-

Larry

[Dennis Leahy]

...


Iran, meanwhile, has had nuclear weapons for years, and may have an intention to strike the US with an EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse) weapon.



I'm not pretending that I actually know what is going on in the world. Most of the reality of the large-scale and long-term planning is no doubt beyond-top-secret conspiring, and within the plans are not only strategic contingencies but strategic psychological operations with layers of disinformation, intended to influence the moves of real decision makers. Disinformation in the hands of someone "on the inside", with the rank/clearance to make it seem entirely plausible that the information actually is "information" rather than "disinformation", is a powerful tool for spreading disinformation.

The "data point" I've highlighted feels very much like disinformation. It does not pass the "smell test", and defies any sort of logic. Yes, it is true that insane people do illogical things, but I would think that self-destructive insanity would be more attributed to an individual or small cadre, and more likely a short-term, knee-jerk reaction to some perceived threat - rather than a long-term, self-serving, strategic plan. The "data point" serves the agenda of the Israeli government and anyone that wants to foment WWIII (such as the "secret government"/"hidden hand" behind the US government.) It is impossible to see how the "data point" would actually serve the interests of Iran.

It is public knowledge that Israel wants to destroy Iran, and has the nuclear arsenal to actually do it - and a sustained insanity and malevolence within the leadership spanning decades. If the "data point" was that Iran wants to deploy an EMP weapon over Israel, knocking out their capability to launch an unprovoked nuclear attack against Iran, there would be some logic. But Iran striking out against the US? The US, with over 700 military installations worldwide, would not lose retaliatory capabilities with an EMP strike over the US mainland. Iran would have justified their own complete annihilation, and the US government would deliver it. Not very strategic. Much more likely, this is a disinformation point coming from the pen jointly held by those who actually wish to foment WWIII: Israel and the US (and the hidden hands controlling these governments) - and any action attributed to Iran will be a false-flag created by the same governments' underlying true power-base.

The "data point" also seems worthless if the intent is to garner US citizen's support against Iran. The US government hasn't listened - at all - to the will of its citizens for at least decades if not a century or more. They simply do whatever they wish, and have the Department of Propaganda (mass media) gloss-over or justify any action. US citizens range from clueless to helpless, and are certainly not a factor in military decision-making.

I have to add that if the climate situation is as dire as it appears to be (near-term extinction of most species on Earth, including all humans on the surface of the Earth within a few decades), then any plans for a one-world government (NWO) or WWIII make absolutely no sense at all. What's the point? The survivors in their underground cities won't benefit from any of this, having imprisoned themselves beneath the surface of a dead planet that they didn't even try to save.

Dennis

[chocolate]

Okay Bill.
I will translate your post in Bulgarian and post it here as soon as I am ready. If not today, the day after.

( you know, my current country might appear small, but it might not be that small in its strategically interesting location. )

I was reminded of a film. But I cannot remember the name of it (!)
It was about the Russian's almost pressing the button, and how one person prevented it from happening, by simply stating the obvious as in letting the government know who and why. or the other way around. I have forgotten the details.
If I remember the name, will write it down.

Peace.

Edited to add:
May be to add a translation of the title of the thread in the thread name?
Don't know if it is necessary, just a thought.

[bruno dante]

Hmmm...

Interesting, but I have to say that the Russian military hardly seems bottled up or tied down by the situation in Ukraine. Crimea fell without a single shot fired. And since then I believe there's only been one casualty, if I'm not mistaken, on the Russian side. It was quite possibly the easiest takeover in modern history.

I can't imagine the situation using up too many of their (Russian) resources when the other side isn't even fighting back.

[jagman]

I'm not trying to derail this thread but it has come to my attention that some
believe that there is quite a bit of Anti-American sentiment being tossed around
on this thread. I'm not saying that's the truth but it is how some precieve it.
None of our Governments hands are clean and we are Not our Governments.
We are citizens that have a limited control and sometimes No control what so
ever of how our governments operate. Just saying

[MorningFox]

I find it almost impossible to believe that Russia would be ignorant enough to have to be told what 'trap' they are falling in to. If we are to believe that the west is run by a masonic power that is planning world war III, then surely it would make sense that Russia is run by similar forces and is just playing out the game willingly...

Are you telling me that anyone actually believes Russia is just an ignorant and transparent (huge and powerful) nation without the hidden hand guiding it's actions... ?

[Operator]

Hmmm...

Interesting, but I have to say that the Russian military hardly seems bottled up or tied down by the situation in Ukraine. Crimea fell without a single shot fired. And since then I believe there's only been one casualty, if I'm not mistaken, on the Russian side. It was quite possibly the easiest takeover in modern history.

I can't imagine the situation using up too many of their (Russian) resources when the other side isn't even fighting back.

Besides was it really a takeover ... I'm not an historian but it appears that it was
Chroestjev in 1954 who gave Crimea away from Russia to the Ukraine. While under
Sovjet control it didn't matter. So what is it more different than East Germany
getting united with West Germany. If the West is going to make a point out of
it internationally, e.g. at the UN, the case might not be that strong. Russia being
portrayed as an aggressor by the West seems to be part of propaganda.

I'm also not that convinced about the scenario when looking at country names.
The people behind those scenarios are not bound to countries. Those country
names are stage names for us spectators to distinguish staged roles.

If we are looking at history to be written we have to learn our lessons and
remember them well ... history is written by the victors. Who are the victors?
Well those financing the wars on both sides! Who are paying the price?
The pawns fighting the wars for their country. We should stop being pawns
and start seeing for what it is. There is no surprise trick between countries.
They planned it all in advance.

A communist/socialist takeover by 2 big experienced regimes (Russia/China) was
most likely always in the works. So don't think that this can be prevented by
warning one party ... it all is one party ... The only ones that can prevent
this from happening are awake and aware civilians/patriots that want their
sovereignty back.

[Bill Ryan]

some believe that there is quite a bit of Anti-American sentiment being tossed around on this thread. I'm not saying that's the truth but it is how some precieve it. None of our Governments hands are clean and we are Not our Governments. We are citizens that have a limited control and sometimes No control what so ever of how our governments operate. Just saying

--> ( *** Who and where is "some believe"? *** )

No anti-American sentiment from me. Some of my closest friends, and many of the most wonderful people I know, are American. (And Canadian, too. :) )

What I am 'anti' are the psychopathic plans and scenarios dreamed up by the globalists to trash the human race and our home, Planet Earth. That's what this thread is about. I'm not fatalistic, at all. Just in no way complacent.

I do agree with several other comments, btw, that Putin and his advisers are (a) very well-informed and (b) pretty smart. (And I do not think that Putin is on board with the NWO game. He's a chess-master, and is playing his own game with his own agenda. He is no globalist pawn.)

In short: I refuse to be a victimized, helpless spectator in this drama (and it is a drama, too). Every little bit that I -- and you, and all of us -- can do, helps.

[white wizard]

Here is my two cents on the scenario in the thread. Someone in a think tank
on the middle levels of intelligence came up with this scenario. It was then
purposely leaked and perverted by counter intelligence agents and sent
through the proper channels to be distributed through the internet to mis
lead people. If you really by this crap then you need to rethink how you
perceive the world.

The United States had the chance to spark a big war with Syria, and ended
up backing down. Russia invaded Crimea took it over without firing a shot.
This should be a clue that war will not be accepted by the international
community at the point in time. Crimea could have sparked a smaller war
then Syria, but once again nothing happened. Its become a game of
chest where war will be fought politically, rather then by the brute force.
Russia knows this and that is how they took over Crimea without firing
a shot.

Know here is my theory, the reason nothing has happened is, because
people collectively are not buying into the war game B.S. anymore.
People are starting to wake up and understand the game being played.
The world leaders are aware of this, and it has prevented then from
starting wars, because they know people collectively will not accept it the
way they did ten years ago.

Basically, all your going to see is countries flexing there muscles
politically, while using there military as just another pawn in the game.
The world is changing and people need to catch up with that instead of
buying into counter intelligence scenarios cooked up by think tanks.

[Flash]

The minimum this thread will do is wake some people. Which is already a lot.

I wish this was translated, because in some other countries, even if they look at first glance more controlled, they are in fact much less controlled than in USA (and Canada and Britain) on a daily basis.

You have to have lived elsewhere to see it. It is flabberghasting how controlled the USA (and Canada and Britain) are, when seen from outside. And the media in USA (worst than Canada and Britain) are literally pathetic in information content. No anti-american here at all, just full of sadness for a coutnry and its citizens that were the vanguard of humanity for centuries.

For example, the Turkish newspapers are much less conrolled. Very interesting what one can find there at times. So this thread is a way to inform and have some impact somewhere, even if Putin would already know what is going on.

Just sadness and no complacency, that is all. I agree with Bill.

However, elsewhere in the world, there is very few countries where its citizens admire the USA as they used too.

[Bill Ryan]

Someone in a think tank on the middle levels of intelligence came up with this scenario. It was then purposely leaked and perverted by counter intelligence agents and sent through the proper channels to be distributed through the internet to mislead people.

That's not what happened with the The Anglo-Saxon Mission. (http://projectavalon.net/anglo_saxon_mission.html) Please go watch the video, and read the commentaries referenced in the first post.

[jagman]

some believe that there is quite a bit of Anti-American sentiment being tossed around on this thread. I'm not saying that's the truth but it is how some precieve it. None of our Governments hands are clean and we are Not our Governments. We are citizens that have a limited control and sometimes No control what so ever of how our governments operate. Just saying

--> ( *** Who and where is "some believe"? *** )

No anti-American sentiment from me. Some of my closest friends, and many of the most wonderful people I know, are American. (And Canadian, too. :) )

What I am 'anti' are the psychopathic plans and scenarios dreamed up by the globalists to trash the human race and our home, Planet Earth. That's what this thread is about. I'm not fatalistic, at all. Just in no way complacent.

I do agree with several other comments, btw, that Putin and his advisers are (a) very well-informed and (b) pretty smart. (And I do not think that Putin is on board with the NWO game. He's a chess-master, and is playing his own game with his own agenda. He is no globalist pawn.)

In short: I refuse to be a victimized, helpless spectator in this drama (and it is a drama, too). Every little bit that I -- and you, and all of us -- can do, helps.


Bill,
I meant you no disrespect what so ever! I know you are not
Anti-American. I will Pm you later. I offer my apologies

[Operator]

---
I do agree with several other comments, btw, that Putin and his advisers are (a) very well-informed and (b) pretty smart. (And I do not think that Putin is on board with the NWO game. He's a chess-master, and is playing his own game with his own agenda. He is no globalist pawn.)
---


It looks like it ...or is he also acting out his role to give some hope to the spectators? After all they
need a future enemy ...

Obama is also stepping on toes of allies from time to time so it may get confusing every now and then.
But that may very well be inexperience too. Sometimes I think we're looking at a scene from the
Pirates of the Caribbean where at one moment parties are in cahoots with each other and the very
next moment they are betraying each other for personal gain. I wonder if they still have their
compass that points them to what they want most (yellow book) :p ?

[Camilo]

Thanks Bill. At this point we (westerners), believe we're very well aware of what's transpiring, but what we don't really know (at least not on the open) is what plans do the Russians and the Chinese have on their own. It would be naive on our part to believe that they would be caught by surprise by the west in all these maneuvering.

[Hervé]

As part of "their" global picture:

Warning to Ukraine: Former 'economic hitman': U.S. 'death economy' brought world to brink of destruction (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/17/former-economic-hitman-u-s-death-economy-has-brought-world-to-brink-of-destruction/)

Travis Gettys
The Raw Story (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/17/former-economic-hitman-u-s-death-economy-has-brought-world-to-brink-of-destruction/)
Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:10 CDT


A former "economic hitman" explained that the United States model for global domination cannot be repeated - and should not be attempted.

Author John Perkins explained last week on the David Pakman Show how American corporations extorted natural resources from developing nations in a process that sounds very similar to domestic privatization schemes.

Perkins, who wrote the 2004 book Confessions of an Economic Hitman about his experience working as a chief economist for the engineering company Chas. T. Main, said corporations would identify countries that had resources sought by the U.S. and arrange for them to obtain large loans from the World Bank and similar organizations.

"But the money never actually went to the country," Perkins said. "Instead, it went to our own corporations to build infrastructure projects in that country. They made a great deal of profit from that."

The countries would use those borrowed funds to build electrical systems, highways, industrial parks, and other infrastructure projects.

"Yet the country would be left holding a huge debt they couldn't repay, and so at some point we'd go back and say, 'Hey, you know, since you can't pay your debts, sell your resource - oil, whatever - very cheap to our companies without any environmental restrictions or social regulations or privatize your public sector businesses, sell them real cheap - your utility companies, your water and sewage system, your schools, your jails, off to our corporations," Perkins said. "And in that way we created the world's first truly global empire, primarily without the use of the military."

He said most economists agreed that developing countries needed better infrastructure to improve their economies, but he said statistics supporting this model were misleading.

"I came to understand that the poor people were not benefitting, that the statistics reflect the very wealthy, which is true in this country, too, you know, that 85 people control more resources than half the world's population," Perkins said. "Our statistics are very, very skewed to those rich people."

He claims in his book the U.S. backed the assassinations of Panamanian leader Omar Torrijos and Ecuadoran President Jaime Roldós Aguilera in a pair of 1981 plane crashes because they refused to bow to corporate interests.

"We've created a death economy, one that's based on killing people, militarization, and ravaging the earth," Perkins said. "We need to move into a life economy that's based on cleaning up pollution, feeding starving people, developing new technologies, transportation, communications, (and) energy."

He declared the global economy to be "an abject failure," arguing that Americans make up just 5 percent of the world's population but consume 30 percent of its natural resources.

"That's not a model," Perkins said. "It can't be repeated by China, even though they're trying. It just puts the world in a worse condition when other countries try to repeat our model. We must come up with a new model."

He said some corporate leaders and many consumers have arrived at similar conclusions and are beginning to take steps to correct the problems he's identified.

"We're truly in a consciousness revolution, a huge revolution, where people are waking up to the fact that we're living on a very fragile space station that has no shuttles," Perkins said. "We're going to have to take care of this place, and big business is going to have to play a major role in waking up and taking care of this, serving a public interest - not the 1 percent, but the 99 percent - serving the earth, in essence, and we all need to get out there and make sure that happens."

Watch the entire interview posted online by David Pakman Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LXnhxQc-ro):


_LXnhxQc-ro

--------------------------------------------


... and directly from one of these globalists' mouth:

Brzezinski Mapped Out the Battle for Ukraine in 1997 (http://original.antiwar.com/chris_ernesto/2014/03/14/brzezinski-mapped-out-the-battle-for-ukraine-in-1997)

It's all about maintaining the US position as the world's sole superpower

by Chris Ernesto (http://original.antiwar.com/author/chris_ernesto/), March 15, 2014

Why would the United States run the risk of siding with anti-Semitic, neo-Nazis in Ukraine (http://www.thenation.com/blog/178716/dark-side-ukraine-revolt)?

One of the keys may be found by looking back at Zbigniew Brzezinski’s 1997 book, The Grand Chessboard (http://www.amazon.com/The-Grand-Chessboard-Geostrategic-Imperatives/dp/0465027261/antiwarbookstore) in which he wrote, “Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.”

“However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia.”

The former national security advisor to Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981 and top foreign policy advisor to Barack Obama, Brzezinski wrote that US policy should be “unapologetic” in perpetuating “America’s own dominant position for at least a generation and preferably longer still.”

Brzezinski delved into the importance of little known Ukraine by explaining in his 1997 book, “Geopolitical pivots are the states whose importance is derived not from their power and motivation but rather from their sensitive location… which in some cases gives them a special role in either defining access to important areas or in denying resources to a significant player.”

“Ukraine, Azerbaijan, South Korea, Turkey and Iran play the role of critically important geopolitical pivots,” he wrote in The Grand Chessboard (http://www.amazon.com/The-Grand-Chessboard-Geostrategic-Imperatives/dp/0465027261/antiwarbookstore), a book viewed by many as a blueprint for US world domination.

Brzezinski wrote that Eurasia is “the chessboard on which the struggle for global primacy continues to be played,” and that “it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America.”

Understanding Brzezinski’s long-term view of Ukraine makes it easier to comprehend why the US has given $5 billion to Ukraine since 1991 (http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2013/12/20131216289031.html#ixzz2uDCREyNA), and why today it is hyper-concerned about having Ukraine remain in its sphere of influence.

It may also help explain why in the past year the US and many of its media outlets have feverishly demonized Vladimir Putin.


Full article: http://original.antiwar.com/chris_ernesto/2014/03/14/brzezinski-mapped-out-the-battle-for-ukraine-in-1997

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These globalists have still no better ways to get nations under their thumbs via heavy debts than with an all round war.

[chocolate]

A wise man just shared this with me. I am writing it down in English here, since he knows no English. But he is well versed in Russian.

" The Russian are very well aware of what is going on in the Ukraine and Crimea (for that matter), and why it is happening.
On the surface they have allowed this to be perceived as an apparent confrontation, and also Russia to be perceived as the obvious opponent.

Russia has the power to bring down the US dollar at any point they would wish to do so, together with China.

It is a 'staged' play between the so called west and the so called east, while at the same time there are negotiation between Russia and China, creating an ally to help Russia populate and bring to life the Siberian land, which shortly will become much more welcoming than it is now ( having in mind the climate change going on world-wide ). China benefits from this in a way that would allow some of their population to live in the Siberian area, and also they benefit from creating a powerful friend in their 'struggles' with Japan.

Also, Russia is hard-working on securing their waterway through the Arctic Ocean, which will become accessible with the current weather changes. Through that waterway is the closet connection between the west and east ends of Russia (almost a straight line). In the near future that same ocean, which has been much little explored so far, will be of utmost importance ( whoever has control over some part of it, will have control over a wast amount of resources ) .

So yes, Russia benefits form this so called conflict in much of the same way the west benefits from it. The attention is put on a very small piece of the whole puzzle.

But don't perceive Russia as an unaware Power. They are more than aware about what is going on. "

Theses are not my words, and I think even through my English, they will be perceived as an attempt to show another side ( certainly not the only one ) of the story.

[Dennis Leahy]

I find it almost impossible to believe that Russia would be ignorant enough to have to be told what 'trap' they are falling in to. ...

Don't miss this prescient point in Bill's original post




... Iran is the actual target ....

This may not "alert" Russia, but underscores that it has become public knowledge (or highly probable speculation) that Iran is the real target (and I would add that any malevolent action attributed to Iran is almost undoubtedly a false-flag perpetrated by globalists using US/UK/Israeli operatives.)

Dennis

[chocolate]

This post in not exactly on point, but just an example of how things get going, and why probably it is best if we act as Bill R. has done starting this thread, instead of sit and wait to see what happens :

The man who saved the world:
The Soviet submariner who single-handedly averted WWIII at height of the Cuban Missile Crisis


U.S.S.R. and U.S. stood on brink of nuclear war during Cuban Missile Crisis
Four Russian submarines secretly set sail to Cuba, with nuclear weapons
Vasili Arkhipov, who died in 1998, used last veto against firing sub's torpedo
The Russians instead surrendered and his action avoided World War Three


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2208342/Soviet-submariner-single-handedly-averted-WWIII-height-Cuban-Missile-Crisis.html
and possibly a film here:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/episodes/the-man-who-saved-the-world-watch-the-full-episode/905/

I am still translating.

[Lcam88]

If there is a plan, here is a piece of evidence I would like to share from the RT website.

Note the dissonance present in the message sent at this moment. The site has now changed so all I have to share is this snippet:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ZTPhJ4UA99Y/Uys5-olB1CI/AAAAAAAAEt8/Be3cqDFrIhg/w426-h237/Screen+Shot+2014-03-20+at+12.54.37+PM.png

As of now, the article on the right was moved elsewhere or even removed.

[white wizard]

This post in not exactly on point, but just an example of how things get going, and why probably it is best if we act as Bill R. has done starting this thread, instead of sit and wait to see what happens :

The man who saved the world:
The Soviet submariner who single-handedly averted WWIII at height of the Cuban Missile Crisis


U.S.S.R. and U.S. stood on brink of nuclear war during Cuban Missile Crisis
Four Russian submarines secretly set sail to Cuba, with nuclear weapons
Vasili Arkhipov, who died in 1998, used last veto against firing sub's torpedo
The Russians instead surrendered and his action avoided World War Three


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2208342/Soviet-submariner-single-handedly-averted-WWIII-height-Cuban-Missile-Crisis.html
and possibly a film here:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/episodes/the-man-who-saved-the-world-watch-the-full-episode/905/

I am still translating.

There was also several instances of close calls a Russian Officer in charge

of Russia's early warning system went against procedure when there

system malfunctioned. Instead of retaliating with a massive strike he

went off his instinct and decided not to tell his superiors, which stopped

WW3 from accidently happening. He was later fired.

n5eYeM_yusE

[King Arthur]

Maybe the ultimate target is Iran, but Israel appears to be preparing to attack Syria first.
http://www.roitov.com/articles/bashan.htm

One of the forces that were passed to the command of the new regional division is Brigade Yiftach, an armored reserve unit. It was called hurriedly to exercise a ground invasion of Syria. The hysterical response to the hit of a jeep two days ago, in which four soldiers were wounded, was accompanied by interviews of Colonel Amir Hamud, the commander of the unit. I cannot remember such an interview while the event is still unfinished.

He said that the event will prepare them to all scenarios including a ground incursion "we are preparing against Hezbollah, the Jihad, the Syrian army, and the rebels. This is like Lebanon in the 1970's." "We exercise as far and deep as we can reach," he added......

Never since 1973 the IDF had prepared a massive incursion into Syria.....

[MalteseKnight]

What if Putin's Russia were to do something extraordinary ? say offering itself up to granting compensation to the families of Ukrainian nationalists killed or else adversely affected as a result of Soviet excesses in the past ? .....wouldn't that not catch the illuminati controlled "Western" media by surprise? Unlikely that it would be able to spin itself out of that one.....I don't think that the [illuminati] script has been prepared for this eventuality.

Just food for thought...

[Rocky_Shorz]

they just did...

Republican's are banned from visiting Russia...

McCain and Boehner were first named...


Is Putin sending us a signal he still has his sense of humor?

or has his intelligence found links between them and the neo nazi/mercenaries?

[chocolate]

[ Mod-edit: In Post #1 of this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69621-Ukraine-Crimea-Syria-Israel-Iran-Putin-and-World-War-III&p=811657&viewfull=1#post811657), Bill presented a summary of his The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://projectavalon.net/anglo_saxon_mission.html) report, which he also presented translated into Russian. The following is chocolate's translation into Bulgarian of the same material. Thank-you, chocolate.

The two audio files mentioned below are ( Двете аудио файлове, споменати по долу са ):

http://projectavalon.net/9_minute_Military_Intelligence_call_to_Alex_Jones_16_March_2014.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/8_minute_Joel_Skousen_WW_III_Scenario_Summary_28_Feb_2014.mp3

-- Paul. ]

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Украйна, Крим, Сирия, Израел, Иран, Путин, и Третата Световна Война

Скъпи ............. , и Всички Вие, мои приятели, където и да се намирате в момента:

Благодаря ви за писмото, което ми изпратихте на 14 Март 2014г., във връзка със сериозното положение в Украйна.
Аз имам също така допълнителна информация, която бих искал да споделя с Вас. Това което се е случило и вероятно ще се случи в бъдеще, е част от много по-голям план.

Прикачил съм към писмото си два аудио файла. Първият е 9-минутен запис на разговор между Алекс Джоунс, американски журналист и радио водещ, който както много от нас се е натоварил с мисията да разкрива какво всъщност се случва в нашата действителност, и оттеглил се от военна служба офицер от Американското Морско Разузнаване. Последният се е обадил по време на шоуто на Алекс Джоунс на 16 Март 2014 с детайлна информация за част от подробностите за това, което всъщност се случва в момента в Украйна, и не само.

Този аудио файл е на разположение за ползване и е важен. Много от тези, които четат това, на Английски или Руски, а в момента и на Български, могат да намерят спецификата на Английската реч трудна за възприемане, за това съм направил сбит обзор на ситуацията, представен по-долу.

• Случващото се в Украйна е по същество точно това, което е било подготвено в сферата на военните игри през 2008 и 2009 в средите на Американския Морски Военен Колеж. Всичко се развива точно както е било планирано там.
• Желанието и надеждата са да се привлече вниманието на Руските военни сили в ситуация като тази в Крим и Украйна, където да се ангажира специално 76-ти Въздушен Нападателен Полк, подразделение от специално тренирани войници.
На руски името на полка : 76-я гвардейская Черниговская Краснознамённая десантно-штурмовая дивизия

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/76-%D1%8F_%D0%B3%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B0%D 0%BD%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D1%88%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%8F

• В момента, в който това се случи, Американците ще бъдат свободни да атакуват Сирия без да им бъде оказана съпротива от Руска страна. В момента, в който Сирия бъзе превзета, Израел ще атакува Иран. Иран е всъщност главната цел.
• За да се случи това вниманието на Русия трябва да бъде отвлечено, за което би допринесло положението в Украйна.
• Намерението е да се провокират Руснаците да използват ядрено оръжие в Украйна. След това, Американците ще изстрелят тактическо ядрено оръжие срещу Руските сили от разположените американски подводници в Черно море.
• НАТО не се интересува особено от положението в Украйна, смятайки я за държава, която може да бъде пожертвана в ситуацията.
• В текущия момент Американските Морски Военни идентифицират цели, които биха могли да бъдат ударени с ядрено оръжие в рамките на Черно море.
• Ситуацията в Южна Осетия през 2008 г. беше тест, целящ да се види как Руснаците биха реагирали. Точно там последните използваха своя 76-ти Нападателен Полк. Американците предвиждат Руснаците да направят същото нещо в подобна ситуация, както тази в Украйна.
• Като подкрепа Руснаците на свой ред биха поискали помощ от Китай.
• Междувременно Иран, който има атомно оръжие от години, би имал намерението да удари Америка с Електромагнитно Импулсно Оръдие.
• Очевидно това би била една много опасна ситуация, която лесно би могла да ескалира в глобален конфликт.
• От изключително важно значение би било за Руската страна да разбере същността на играта, която се разкрива срещу тях, и да не позволят да бъдат въвлечени в конфликт, който Америка би желала да създаде. В обобщение, цялата ситуация е просто капан, целящ да привлаче привидно вниманието към Украйна като основен проблем.

Това което следва не е споменато в 9-минутния аудио файл, но е предмет на обсъждане във втори файл, 8-минутен разговор между Алекс Джоунс и Джоел Скусен. Този файл също е прикачен.


• Причината поради която Иран е истинската цел може да се търси в желанието да се създаде голям анти-американски противник в средния изток, като часто от план, който се развива вече от 20-30 години. Намерението е да се създаде един вид голям анти-западен или анти-американски съюз от държави в региона, състоящ се от всички с изключение на Израел. С това може да се обясни цялата американска военна активност и планове на територията на средния изток и всички ислямски държави от времето преди Първата Война в Ирак.
• В момента, в който този голям обединен съюз бъде създаден, ще започне и истинската война. Това би била Третата Световна Война, която е планирана да бъде и атомна война.
В превод на Руски тук:

http://projectavalon.net/lang/ru/anglo_saxon_mission_ru.html

http://projectavalon.net/lang/ru/anglo_saxon_mission_interview_transcript_ru.html

(За тези от Вас, които говорят немски)

http://projectavalon.net/lang/de/anglo_saxon_mission_de.html

http://projectavalon.net/lang/de/anglo_saxon_mission_interview_transcript_de.html

http://projectavalon.net/lang/de/anglo_saxon_mission_presentation_transcript_de.html

• Намерението е да се провокира Русия да нападне запада първа. В отговор на тази атака, Америка отвръща от позицията на жертвата. Този конфликт ще се използва от Американците и техните западни съюзници като средството с което да накарат, да подтикнат, своите жители да приемат едно ново световно правителство, Новия Световен Ред, с цел тази трагедия никога повече да не се повтори.

• В резултат на тази планирана война:

1. Цялата свобода днес ще бъде пожертвана;
2. Всички ще бъдат подложени под постоянен контрол;
3. Всички финансови трансакции и пътувания ще бъдат силно ограничени;
4. Всички дисиденти, хора които изразяват несъгласие или протестират, ще бъдат хващани и изолирани в лагери като противници, терористи и криминални престъпници срещу създадения Нов Ред.

• В този последен момент целта да се постави целия свят под тотален контрол, ще бъде постигната.

Благодаря на всички Вас, мои приятели, за всички усилия и цялата работа, която продължавате да вършите.


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[Flash]

What if Putin's Russia were to do something extraordinary ? say offering itself up to granting compensation to the families of Ukrainian nationalists killed or else adversely affected as a result of Soviet excesses in the past ? .....wouldn't that not catch the illuminati controlled "Western" media by surprise? Unlikely that it would be able to spin itself out of that one.....I don't think that the [illuminati] script has been prepared for this eventuality.

Just food for thought...

nobody in the west wold know about it because our newspapers are censured, so nobody would know.

[Limor Wolf]

Are Putin and Russia a part of the Cabal and playing the NWO game? yes or no...That's a good question

It is difficult to forget the many fingers that were pointed on the Russian involvement led by Putin in the 2010 polish air crash, There is no doubt that the polish plane crash was not a random air accident but a well planned and well organised sacrifice to get rid of the Polish president and the backbone of the Polish opposition (96 high level opposition have crashed in Smolensk, Russia), on 10 april 2010, at a time of economical pressure and the Swine flu epidemic where Poland did not cooperate with either the vaccination plan or with Annexation to the global economy .

Exactly 70 years prior to that in April 1940, near the same place in Smolensk, the Russian - Soviet organisation NKVD has massacred nearly 22,000 Polish officers. It is well known that the PTB like to 'celebrate' special dates with repeating rituals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
David Icke wrote about it at the time - he seemed to think that the Russians are indeed part of the world government
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/32804-katyn-ii-how-satanists-say-were-sorry/

Andrezej olechowski, who immediatly replaced the dead president Lech Kaczynski, was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral comission. He worked as an economist for the World Bank, and was a member of the bilderberg group, so that might answer the question of the Russians and the cabal if indeed they were involved in taking down the Polish plane.

Putin was also the president responsible prior to that for the attack of the Chechen capital Grozny in 1999, If looking closely I believe we can find the fingerprints of the PTB on this event as well.

It all somehow resembles Euroasia (Continental Europe,Soviet Union, middle east), Oceania (United States, Britis isles) and Eastasia (China, Japan, Korea) from Orwell's 1984 -
In the plot, the three superstates all have the exact same styles of government, with their populations kept in a state of controled ignorance. Also, all three superstates are continuousley at war with each other, alliances changing on a monthly basis, with two superstates ganging-up a third.

[chocolate]

I find it almost impossible to believe that Russia would be ignorant enough to have to be told what 'trap' they are falling in to. If we are to believe that the west is run by a masonic power that is planning world war III, then surely it would make sense that Russia is run by similar forces and is just playing out the game willingly...

Are you telling me that anyone actually believes Russia is just an ignorant and transparent (huge and powerful) nation without the hidden hand guiding it's actions... ?

No, I don't think anyone is saying that.

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BUT! What I am saying is:
WE All Know NOW What is Happening, or will be happening, AND IF IT HAPPENS, somehow, sometime in the near future, and if somehow we survive it by the grace of whatever Mighty Magic Power, Than Somebody, MANY BODIES, NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
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This is not aimed at you, MorningFox, at all!
I am only using the same post here:
and stating my own personal opinion.
I also know many cannot afford to speak openly, and with much undiluted honesty, or choose not to anyway.
But I can, because I don't give a *smile* about what would happen with my humble persona afterwards, if I am to still live in a world such as this, or the future such as the one so well described in the OP -->

I would say, enough with this state of ignorance...
And also, enough with the subtle game of trowing in some of our faces a statement such as
'East v/s West'

Because I may not have children, but many of all of you do. Do you really like the way this world is going about?
Do you think it would matter if you live in the west and breath the air of nuclear destruction?... Or even the air of chemtrails...
Regardless of your exact physical location?
Or do we all need to be forced to go someplace, if we were to continue living, just because we tend to say the truth or state the obvious?

What happened to this world...and all its children?
They all seem to be in a state of total delusion, and complete forgetfulness.

If the so called West is responsible, and the East so eagerly gets to follow, than they all need to be held accountable.

Now that we know,

What should be the next move?


End of personal opinion.
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Apologies if I offended anyone, but I prefer to state the truth, than hide behind my (not so elaborate) civil manners.

[Cidersomerset]

Of Course Russia and China and all countries are playing the espionage game
and Russia especially had to adjust from the cold war days. The west just kept
going as Snowden revealed, updating to basically spy on everyone and with
Russia giving him asylum the moral ground has slipped to the east.

There are still plenty of cold war warriors out there from the Neo -cons
to those who think Stalin & Mau were benevolent and even Hitler has
admirers in parts of Ukraine and other places.

This thread is speculating how close are we to lighting the touch paper
for a shooting war. I think Russia does not want to provoke that nor
does the west. But Putin is playing the west at its own game.
The Crimea voted to join the Russian federation, Moldova wants to.
Eastern Ukraine will be the decider, but it could escalate in Syria
and Iran could be brought in with all the allegations of supporting
terrorism.

This is a very valid and current thread imo......

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There are thousands of spy novels, TV programes and movies..
The Bond franchise has been going longer than the cold war
itself....LOL

Reds is a 'send up' of the 'retired assets'....

n7tvQZ1RJ2Y


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Putin is an expert at this game and is perfectly happy under
pressure and cannot be intimidated by Obama because he
knows all the tricks of the trade.

http://www.nationalobserver.net/2012/vladimir_putin_kgb.jpg

Vladimir Putin in uniform after becoming a KGB officer

http://www.nationalobserver.net/2012/85-2-miller-putin-russia.htm

[Octavusprime]

I just listened to the two original audio files and have some concerns about the authenticity of these callers. The first caller ends up directly referencing strategic relocation which is sold by Alex Jones. The second caller doesn't go that far but does say that the only good thing about the situation is that people will "relocate" and leave the cities.

For me these are HUGE red flags. I take Alex Jones information with a large grain of salt. The information itself sounds like very plausible scenarios but who knows if these people are who they say they are. Could be a scripted interview with the intent of spreading fear and selling Strategic Relocation on the Alex Jones website.

I don't mean to derail the thread but I feel it necessary to voice my concern.

[chocolate]

Am I one of the few who just don't really see an after-nuclear-earth situation?
Like how long we plan to survive in a bunker after a nuclear strike?
Seriously!
Just look at what happened in Japan last.

I personally am not all that loving Alex Jones'es approach, and the rest, but I also grew up with lots and lots of novels, not all of them sci-fi.
I also grew up around a father who has very little patience for the established powers and their disinformation strategy, so I have heard quite some details.
I don't go into politics, they make me feel a deep surge for a forest in a mountain.
But as Cidersomerset pointed out, quite well managed to make me smile BTW,
there is a ton of information available as films and books. And that is something I love. So I guess I still have managed to get to see the situation in another, more poetic way, which doesn't make it look much better.

I also listened to the interviews, and not only that, but had to read through all of what Bill wrote quite carefully, so that I translate it properly...which just gave me lots of headache and stomach ache.
This is not coming from today, it is just that it got a new voice, today.

Edited to add:
I grew up reading Frederick Forsyth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Veteran_(short_story_collection))
like The Fourth Protocol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fourth_Protocol)
and watching films, the following one just a new version of an old one
Aco15ScXCwA

So how much different does the real world get?

[Bartek]

I've translated Bill's original post to Polish. Here it is:


link to the original -- link do oryginału (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=811657#post811657)

Szanowni,

Wykonam tutaj krok, jakiego nie zrobiłem od roku 2009, gdy opublikowałem The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://projectavalon.net/anglo_saxon_mission.html) [polska wersja dokumentu (http://projectavalon.net/lang/pl/anglo_saxon_mission_pl.html) - przyp. tłum.].

Dla tych z Was, którzy nie są zaznajomieni: The Anglo-Saxon Mission była szczegółowym raportem informatora, który w wyniku zaproszenia znalazł się w na spotkaniu wysokich rangą Masonów w londyńskim City. W trakcie spotkania omawiano plany odnośnie III Wojny Światowej.

Dyskusja na forum The Avalon dotycząca tego tematu znajduje się w tutaj (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission).

Moje wideo otrzymało chińskie napisy -- doskonale zdawałem sobie sprawę, że zostanie wyłapane przez chińskie służby wywiadowcze. CHCIAŁEM żeby wiedzieli co jest przeciwko nim planowane. Moim celem było aby przekazali to do najwyższego możliwego szczebla. Przekazanie byłoby ich obowiązkiem i powinnością.

Teraz robię to ponownie. Drugą połowę niniejszego posta stanowi tłumaczenie na rosyjski. CHCĘ żeby dotarło to do rosyjskiego wywiadu. Więc [*żart*] -- możecie mi podziękować. Ten wątek będzie uważnie obserwowany.

:)

CHCĘ żeby był uważnie czytany -- przez Rosjan. Wysłałem już e-maile do grona bardzo zdolnych, świadomych przyjaciół Rosjan (informacja może być także opublikowana w rosyjskiej gazecie) i jeśli rosyjski odpowiednik NSA dobrze wykonuje swoją pracę, treść e-maila będzie odnotowana i odczytana z wielkim zainteresowaniem. Ma wszystkie słowa kluczowe, o których można pomyśleć:



Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, Israel, Iran, Putin, World War III, nuclear, the 76th Air Assault Division, wargames, the US Naval War College, Seals, NATO, South Ossetia, EMP.

Oto dwa pliki audio dołączone do e-maila:


http://projectavalon.net/9_minute_Military_Intelligence_call_to_Alex_Jones_16_March_2014.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/8_minute_Joel_Skousen_WW_III_Scenario_Summary_28_Feb_2014.mp3


A poniżej podsumowanie, wraz z rosyjskim przekładem.





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Drogi _____, i wszyscy moi Przyjaciele, gdziekolwiek się znajdujecie:

Gorąco dziękuję za email z 14 marca dotyczący bardzo poważnej sytuacji na Ukrainie.

Dysponuję dodatkowymi informacjami, którymi chcę się podzielić. To, co się wydarzyło i to, co jeszcze może się wydarzyć, jest częścią znacznie większego planu.

W załączniku znajdują się dwa pliki audio. Pierwszy z nich to 9-minutowe nagranie rozmowy pomiędzy Aleksem Jonesem (amerykański dziennikarz i prezenter radiowy, który, jak wielu z nas, podjął się misji ujawnienia prawdy na temat tego, co naprawdę dzieje się na świecie) oraz emerytowanym oficerem wojskowym, który pracował kiedyś w US Naval Intelligence. Ten oficer zadzwonił do Aleksa 16 marca w trakcie audycji radiowej i szczegółowo przedstawił kontekst mających obecnie miejsce wydarzeń.

To 9-minutowe nagranie jest cenne i ważne. Ponieważ wielu czytających tą wiadomość (po angielsku lub rosyjsku) może mieć trudność ze zrozumieniem angielskiego, podsumowałem zawartość nagrania poniżej:

* Wydarzenia mające obecnie miejsce na Ukrainie są dokładnym odzwierciedleniem ćwiczeń przygotowanych w 2008 i 2009 roku przez US Naval War College. Całość rozgrywa się dokładnie tak, jak zaplanowano.

* Intencją jest tutaj związanie wojsk rosyjskich na Krymie i Ukrainie, a w szczególności uziemienie tam dywizji 76th Guards Air Assault Division (76-я гвардейская десантно-штурмовая Черниговская Краснознаменная дивизия)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/76th_Air_Assault_Division_(Russia)
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/76-я_гвардейская_десантно-штурмовая_дивизия

* Gdy to się stanie, USA będą miały wolne pole do zaatakowania Syrii - bez oporu ze strony rosyjskiej armii. Gdy Syria upadnie, Izrael zaatakuje Iran. To Iran jest właściwym celem.

* Aby mogło się to stać, uwaga Rosji musi być rozproszona problemami na Ukrainie.

* Intencją jest sprowokowanie Rosjan do użycia broni jądrowej na Ukrainie. Po tym USA wykorzystają broń jądrową przeciwko Rosji, odpalając pociski z łodzi podwodnych na Morzu Czarnym.

* NATO nie dba o Ukrainę. Jest uważana za "kraj jednorazowego użytku"

* Już teraz US Navy SEALs dokonują identyfikacji celów dla uderzenia nuklearnego za pomocą łodzi podwodnych z Morza Czarnego.

* Sytuacja w Gruzji (Południowa Osetia) w sierpniu 2008 roku była testem mającym na celu sprawdzenie jak Rosjanie zareagują. W tamtym przypadku również posłużyli się żołnierzami z 76th Guards Air Assault Division. USA przewidują że Rosjanie postąpią dokładnie tak samo na Ukrainie.

* Poszukując wsparcia, Rosjanie mogą poprosić o pomoc Chiny.

* W międzyczasie Iran posiada broń nuklearną od lat i może mieć również zamiar zaatakowania USA za pomocą broni elektromagnetycznej (Electro-Magnetic Pulse).

* Jest to oczywiście szalenie niebezpieczna sytuacja, która z łatwością może eskalować do ram globalnego konfliktu.

* Niezmiernie ważnym jest to aby Rosjanie zrozumieli co się przeciwko nim rozgrywa i nie dali się sprowokować do konfliktu w taki sposób, jak chcą Amerykanie. Podsumowując, jest to pułapka mająca przechytrzyć Rosjan do uwierzenia, że Ukraina jest miejscem, gdzie leżą ich najważniejsze problemy.

(To nie jest ujęte w 9-minutowym nagraniu, jest jednakże omówione w drugim pliku - 8-minutowym nagraniu rozmowy pomiędzy Aleksem Jonesem i Joelem Skousenem. Plik ten również jest dołączony.)

* Iran jest właściwym celem z powodu długoterminowego planu, rozciągającego się na ostatnie 20-30 lat, który zakłada stworzenie gigantycznego wroga na Środkowym Wschodzie. Dokona się to poprzez zjednoczenie się wszystkich środkowo-wschodnich państw (z wyłączeniem Izraela) pod sztandarem jednego dużego, anty-amerykańskiego sojuszu. Wyjaśnia to strategię USA prowadzoną Środkowym Wschodzie oraz wobec wszystkich islamskich państw przed pierwszą wojną w Iraku.

* Gdy ten duży, zjednoczony wróg zostanie stworzony, rozpocznie się właściwa wojna. III Wojna Światowa, zaplanowana jako wojna nuklearna. Wyjaśniłem to w szerszym kontekście w wideo "The Anglo-Saxon Mission". Zostało ono przetłumaczone na rosyjski tutaj:

http://projectavalon.net/lang/ru/anglo_saxon_mission_ru.html
http://projectavalon.net/lang/ru/anglo_saxon_mission_interview_transcript_ru.html

(dla moich niemiecko-języcznych przyjaciół):

http://projectavalon.net/lang/de/anglo_saxon_mission_de.html
http://projectavalon.net/lang/de/anglo_saxon_mission_interview_transcript_de.html
http://projectavalon.net/lang/de/anglo_saxon_mission_presentation_transcript_de.html

* Celem jest sprowokowanie Rosji do uderzenia na USA. Wtedy USA odpowiedzą (jako "ofiara"). Całość zostanie użyta przez Amerykanów i ich zachodnich sojuszników do przekonania swoich obywateli, że, aby podobna sytuacja nie powtórzyła się w przyszłości, musi istnieć Jeden Rząd Światowy ("One World Government", "New World Order").

* W wyniku tej zaplanowanej wojny:
** Wszystkie wolności zostaną poświęcone [na rzecz bezpieczeństwa - przyp. tłum.]
** Wszyscy obywatele będą totalnie inwigilowani
** Wszystkie transakcje finansowe oraz podróże podlegać będą mocnym restrykcjom
** Wszyscy dysydenci (ludzie mający inne zdanie lub protestujący) zostaną zamknięci w obozach jako "aspołeczni, niebezpieczni, antyrządowi terroryści"

* Na tym etapie, ich cel totalnej kontroli nad światem zostanie osiągnięty.

Pozdrawiam Was, oddaję cześć i dziękuję za całą dobrą pracę, jaką wykonujecie.

[superconsciousness]

Putin doesn't know all the tricks...he's about to learn some hard lessons - the empowerment and upliftment of the masses.

[Cardillac]

just my own personal, cheap opinion but I think people must realize when anything ever happens it has a financial reason (could we have guessed?); Russia is spear-heading the BRICSA mov't (Brazil/Russia/India/China/South Africa + newly Indonesia) which is by-passing the US dollar and these countries are trading among themselves in their own currencies; this is a huge blow to the Federal Reserve;

for this reason and this reason only Russia must be compromised, isolated and surrounded; I personally believe that if/IF there is any politician left out there who is still to a certain degree their own person it is Putin; he may be a lot of things but he's not stupid by any means (if my read sources are correct he has an incredibly high IQ- assuming one puts any stock in IQs and my read info is valid)-

but Putin is not Stalin (so one says); Joseph Farrell believes Putin comes from a deep Orthodox tradition although when I told my one Russian co-worker this she laughed her rear off and stated "anyone who was head of something as hideous as the KGB couldn't possibly have adhered to Russian Orthodoxy"- so we're back to square one-

I still don't know what to really make of the "Crimea River" scenario but what still remains indelibly implanted in the back of my head is...

"the hope for the world will emerge out of Russia"- Edgar Cayce

please stay well Bill and all readers-

Larry

[Azt]

I had a strange thought last night that might relates to Bill's theory, what if all these "higher your frequency" "became enlightenment" that has been around on the mystic movements represents how much you are aware of things happening under your nose here on Earth and what are you doing about it.

Depend on that your energy level will have a signature that Aliens can pick up from certain people during the bad days if WW3 become inevitable. I am not saying that we should expect to be saved by Aliens as this is a men made problem and should be resolved by us. But just to remember: "The quantum field responds not to what we want; but to who we are being". Dr. Joe Dispenza

But it seems that the plan is to restart the Earth with few people (by the Elites that is the whitening plan but they might be trapped underground after WW3 because the shape shifting and today's underground creatures want to change place with the humans, called Karma if you want), most of humans go back as soul "dead" (graduate and back to the classrooms because they were sleeping here on Earth and did not see the big picture as they were focused on themselves and daily lives) and some will go off planet due to their higher vibrations (awareness and actions trying to stop this madness while on Earth) to become the future "Aliens"

What comes to mind is like that Toy Story 3 scene on the garbage incinerator....

Where Lots-o'-Huggin' Bear is the Elite , and on the scene below is like "where is your "God" now sherif?" and the god is "the Aliens" in the end. The title TS3 is also suggestive for WW3

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[T Smith]

This plan was already known in the mid 90's and was extensively described in the book "Le livre jaune #5" (Yellow book #5), written by 3 insiders. It is quite disturbing how much things corroborate and seems to be right on plan 2 decades later.

For anyone able to read french, I HIGHLY recommend you to read this book. It is the bible on the new world order conspiracy as far as I know. It literally changed my vision of the world 10 years ago.

Free PDF here :

http://fr.scribd.com/doc/3310821/Livre-Jaune-N5

Anyone know of an english translation available out there?

[white wizard]

Of Course Russia and China and all countries are playing the espionage game
and Russia especially had to adjust from the cold war days. The west just kept
going as Snowden revealed, updating to basically spy on everyone and with
Russia giving him asylum the moral ground has slipped to the east.

There are still plenty of cold war warriors out there from the Neo -cons
to those who think Stalin & Mau were benevolent and even Hitler has
admirers in parts of Ukraine and other places.

This thread is speculating how close are we to lighting the touch paper
for a shooting war. I think Russia does not want to provoke that nor
does the west. But Putin is playing the west at its own game.
The Crimea voted to join the Russian federation, Moldova wants to.
Eastern Ukraine will be the decider, but it could escalate in Syria
and Iran could be brought in with all the allegations of supporting
terrorism.


Well said. I think we are seeing a game of chess being played and no one really wants a serious war, because it could very easily spin out of
control. The mood for war globally has also changed, i do not see it
happening. I think we will see more covert well thought out acts like what
happened in Crimea, where no shots were fired.

The game has changed and wars will be fought more politically without
shots fired in the coming years. The Cold War is an excellent example, its all gonna be about politics and covert operations on the global stage.

[andrewgreen]

Putin doesn't know all the tricks...he's about to learn some hard lessons - the empowerment and upliftment of the masses.

He's going to learn some harsh lessons?? in war????

the empowerment and upliftment of the masses? the Russians, Americans or who????

[Ilie Pandia]

I do agree with several other comments, btw, that Putin and his advisers are (a) very well-informed and (b) pretty smart. (And I do not think that Putin is on board with the NWO game. He's a chess-master, and is playing his own game with his own agenda. He is no globalist pawn.)

Hello Bill,

Can you detail why do you think Putin is no globalist pawn?

The reason I ask this is because I came to believe that those that attempt to rule the world (at a very high level), have no names, no faces and they definitely are not in the news. Putin may think of himself that he is independent, but isn't there a strong possibility that he is being played? I am thinking here of everything from mind control, "black magic", advanced tech, miss information and so on that could easily take Putin out or "change his mind".

For him not to be a pawn, would imply that he has some pretty good protection from "someone" that opposes the "One World Government", so this is why I am curious why do you say he is no globalist pawn? Who or what do you think is behind him in this case?

[Calz]

Couple things here (aside from established evidence the west has staged the Ukraine event).

1st supports what Bill suggests in that the USA is willing (and perhaps planning) to absorb a first strike nuclear attack. During the Clinton administration days the guidelines for nuclear response were changed.

Prior to that was once confirmation of missile(s) being launched, usa would launch in return ... aka mutually assured destruction).

I could not find the article (or interview) from a outraged retired vet I first heard that from... but there is documentation at various levels of truth to support that. The one posted is quite conservative among those I found.

2nd ... regarding Putin ... VT Gordon Duff's latest.

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Clinton Directive Changes Strategy On Nuclear Arms
Centering on Deterrence, Officials Drop Terms for Long Atomic War

By R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, December 7, 1997; Page A01

President Clinton last month issued new guidelines for the targeting of U.S. nuclear weapons, jettisoning a Cold War dictum that the military must be prepared to win a protracted nuclear war that would devastate the globe, according to senior administration officials.

Clinton's new orders to the Secretary of Defense and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff require instead that the military aim its nuclear forces to deter the use of nuclear arms against U.S. forces or allies simply by threatening a devastating response, and drop any planning for a long nuclear war, the officials said.

Clinton's highly classified directive replaces one signed by President Ronald Reagan in 1981 and marks the first time since the end of the Cold War that nuclear targeting guidance issued at the presidential level formally recognizes that no nation would emerge as the victor in a major nuclear exchange, the officials said.


http://www-personal.umich.edu/~sanders/214/other/news/nuclearwarpolicy.html

_______________________


Ukraine Mission Creep

by Gordon Duff, VT Sr. Editor

First published March 19, 2014 -

Years ago, anti-imperialist activists feared that the US was trying to seize the world’s oil supplies and take over the Middle East. Their assumptions had long been proven correct though their estimations are well under the mark.

Activists didn’t take into account the dynamic of utter and absolute unaccountability, total control of the press, control of world economies and one more factor, “mission creep.”

The psychopaths now run the asylum. The world is their asylum. As “mission creep” set in, despite setbacks, the US as “enforcer” for the world’s bankster cabal, has targeted every nation not totally controlled, every nation with something worth stealing that is.

Not everything has worked out as planned. None the less, the neocons or Tea Party or Ultra-Nationalists or Zionists or Neo-Nazis or whatever they choose to call themselves are racing forward undaunted.

We call that “mission creep.”

The move by Russian President Vladimir Putin to accept Crimea back into the Russian Federation isn’t the first impediment. Failure in Afghanistan is another. Expelling the US from Iraq is another still. Syria’s defense against the CIA “jihad” is still another.



Gaining control of a planet and enslaving its people, destroying its oceans, its atmosphere, poisoning even the souls of its inhabitants isn’t easy work. By 2000, the Bush family and their cohorts had taken this task upon themselves and bragged openly about it.

Now one man, Vladimir Putin stands in their way. Senator John McCain has personally put a target on Putin’s back, stating that he expects the Russian government to be overthrown.

In late September 2001, just days after 9/11, General Wesley Clark, former NATO commander and US presidential candidate, met with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz.

This is a partial transcript of an interview between Clark and Amy Goodman about that meeting:

He (Rumsfeld) said, “I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down governments.”

General Clark then relates a follow-up meeting a few days later. “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said,

“Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”



The seven countries targeted in 2001 quickly became a dozen. The number now may be as high as 40. “Mission Creep” is a military term for the adage of the camel that puts his nose in a tent. Pretty soon you have an entire camel, indifferent to how unwelcomed and unwanted it may be.

Real “mission creep” was very much planned with the contrived Global War on Terror (GWOT), saving America and the world from terrorists that, increasingly, look like they had been working for the CIA all along.

Ukraine is the “camel” and “mission creep” is how the West brazenly overthrew an elected but incompetent government, a corrupt government, just like the one in Washington or London, and replaced it with terrorists.

Though Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, tasked with putting a plausible front on the takeover of Ukraine, tried to package the “New Ukraine” as a legitimate state, even a cursory examination reveals the truth, an “underbelly” of violent extremists and criminals.

Western action in overthrowing the government of Ukraine can have no other purpose than to provoke ethnic conflicts intended to spread into Russia herself.

One possible setback is in the expenditure of press assets in the west, all tasked with targeting Putin with Hitleresque imagery. Despite consistent censorship and mythological reporting, public opinion in America and Western Europe has Putin’s popularity at an all-time high.

You see, Putin did something no one has done in many a decade, no one with thousands of thermonuclear weapons and the ability to deliver them with pinpoint accuracy that is.



One thing is different this time, someone has “drawn a line in the sand.” Russia, out of a need to seem reasonable, something clearly now recognized as a mistake, bought in on the phony War on Terror, allowing America planes full access to her airspace and American forces to operate through the Caspian Basin.

Being “reasonable” is seen as weakness. Being unreasonable is seen as being a threat. In truth, all that is required to be targeted is having natural resources better controlled from the “City of London” by more “reliable” people, less likely to allow proceeds from the sale and exploitation to fall into the hands of “useless eaters.”

Do you hear the voice of Henry Kissinger in this?

Russia’s cooperation bought her an epidemic of heroin addiction, tons of fully processed heroin trucked in from Southern Afghanistan, where no heroin had ever been produced before.

This is far from the first time Russian allies and Russian interests have been threatened. Today, President Putin reminded the world about Kosovo.

In 2008 in direct violation of international law, NATO helped establish the Republic of Kosovo. Hundreds of thousands of ethnic Serbs were removed, those who resisted were killed, many publicly beheaded, Serbian churches burned, ancient monasteries defiled.

What is left is a “republic” recognized by some as an ethnic Albanian enclave. The rest of Europe and the world knows different. Kosovo is a terrorist state, a headquarters for a criminal empire specializing in drug and human trafficking and financial crime.

For the West, we are really talking neocons and the rogue operational sectors of the CIA and a half dozen other intelligence agencies that stopped answering to elected Kosovo is the model for the dismemberment of the Ukraine. John McCain believes the dismemberment of the Ukraine will signal the downfall of Russia, the collapse of Iran and then Pakistan, more mission creep, Africa, Asia, perhaps tunneling under the ice caps of Antarctica.governments after 9/11, Kosovo was a “business opportunity.” Serbs were easy targets, a weak government in Belgrade unwilling to resist ethnic cleansing.





Delusion and power, mission creep knows no bounds and is never confined by logic, reason or sanity.


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/20/ukraine-mission-creep/

[ThePythonicCow]

For him [Putin] not to be a pawn, would imply that he has some pretty good protection from "someone" that opposes the "One World Government"
For one take on this, see Preston James article on VeteransToday: Secret Space War XIV: Tall White Nordics call Marduk’s Bluff ? (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/17/secret-space-war-xiv-tall-white-nordics-call-marduks-bluff/).

I posted the Conclusions of this article in a jackovesk thread that has covered this in more detail: Secret Space war XIII: Alien Partners tell Putin, “Don’t Worry, We’ve Got Your Back” -- Post #43 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69187-Secret-Space-war-XIII-Alien-Partners-tell-Putin---Don--t-Worry-We--ve-Got-Your-Back--&p=810519&viewfull=1#post810519).

[mgray]

Call me a pragmatist but Putin went into the Ukraine/Crimea because he had a huge military presence there after the Olympics. No reason to ship them out without grabbing control to secure his precious nat gas and oil pipelines.
The US military at current staffing levels are powerless to enter the region to combat the action. The idea of setting up a Pan Arab region, which has a deep hatred of the west was accomplished years ago. Does the west wish Iran harm, I believe so for its position to sell oil for something other than in US dollars.
I believe the idea of a sovereign-backed nuclear strike is so 20th Century thinking. Should a nuclear denotation go off it would probably be in a world capital stored in a suitcase with a radical group taking responsibility.
Putin is certainly a global player but his eye is on unrest in the Middle East as well for the simply reason as a foil to the US, he keeps the price of oil above $100 a barrel, which fills his state coffers with cash to fuel his nationalistic ambitions.

[Taurean]

Looks like Putin's being attacked on more than one front,


• Same tactics used to cause collapse of Asian economies in 1990s now being employed against anti-NWO nations

By Bill White

Zionist bankers and Rothschild-owned media outlets like The Wall Street Journal have launched a coordinated attack on the currencies of nations refusing to join their New World Order (NWO), according to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and other leaders of victimized countries, including Russia, Venezuela and Argentina.
- See more at: http://americanfreepress.net/?p=15990#sthash.iQsTTKJ9.dpuf

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=15990

[Cidersomerset]

The big difference from the cold war is the access to different media from both
sides of the spectrum illustrated well from this report from RT ....

Some will say that RT has a Russian bias whichis true, but so has every other news
channel in the world to a degree and I watch the BBC news,Channell 4 news and
others regularly to keep up to date and balanced from the mainstream view.

Then I compare with outlets on the web and try to discuss whats happening on
here. So none of us have the full picture of whats happening as it is fluid and
changing. What we know is that back in the cold war it was 'Them or Us' mentality
& the elite enjoyed that as the populations were kept under control by fear of
mutual destruction.Which left TPTB able to keep everything under control.

1990 was an end of an era when the Berlin wall came down and this was the
window for optimism when a peace dividend could have pushed the world toward
peace and prosperity for all. But the Neo-cons seized the initiative and planned
the 'New American Century' which spawned 9/11 and the war on terror. By using
the American mil ind complex and military muscle, we are where we are. There are
lots of twists and turns and plenty of regional conflicts to keep the arms sales up,
and that's hard to stop and is what the UN was set up to deal with. But the larger
strategic safety of the world is only in a few hands, US, NATO China, Russia. So
this 'Game of Thrones' seems to be continueing....Tit for Tat politics was common
during the cold war and led to the massive arsenals of nuclear weapons on the
planet today. Lets hope common sense and the public from both East & West
do not let this spiral back to those frosty days.

I went off at a bit of tangent there I was only supposed
to introduce this vid..LOL

Washington and Moscow go tit-for-tat over sanctions

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Published on 20 Mar 2014


The US is stepping up its efforts against Russian officials by imposing more
sanctions. With Crimea joining Russia after its referendum on Sunday, Moscow and
Washington have been locked in a tit-for-tat battle over sanctions and PR. Adding
further complications is the huge of flow of misinformation surrounding the crisis,
which RT's Anastasia Churkina wades into to find the truth.


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Now after writing all that above, what if none of it matters ? and there are greater
powers at play. Possibly ET , inter dimensional , ancient blood lines, secret societies.
Then the whole thing gets more complicated, and is why I'm drawn to Avalon and
the picture is much bigger than we are shown imo, but that's a lot harder to bring
out of the shadows as many researchers have found out. We can discuss it here
and on other forums but when I discuss it in the sorting office at the Post office its
still a joke and though many are interested in parts do not study enough to see the
bigger picture.


This is a possible of example of how things maybe although the
Satan / Lucifer bit, I'm not into.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/sa4f476a9d.jpg

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread812761/pg1


http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/media/blogs/blog/38/structure-of-freemasonry-by-38.jpg



http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2012/05/10/global-control-matrix-revealed-who-reall

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just watched this the last few minutes especially he reiterates the stupidity
of going back to a cold war mentality....


Jesse Ventura: Undeclared martial law in US, should get back to freedoms we've lost since 9/11

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[Camilo]

http://investmentwatchblog.com/russian-article-from-2008-obama-will-trigger-world-war-iii-starting-from-the-crimea-peninsula/

Russian article from 2008: “Obama will trigger World War III starting from the Crimea peninsula”

Obama begins the third world in the Crimea Remember this page!

December 26 , 16:58 | Arseny Palkin

Lenty.ru: Japan Crimea is not a hindrance
REGNUM: Yatsenuk forced to speak in Russian
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Under the new U.S. President Barack Obama in the Crimea will be implemented scenario of armed conflict. ” It is the American scenario , and under Obama the probability is much higher than under McCain, ” – said at a roundtable in Kiev, Russian political scientist Andrei Okara , said ” New Region ” .
Expert explains : “It became clear when it was announced that what people will represent the Obama team . These are people whose professional registration – Wall Street. These people are engaged in a technology called ” technologies of controlled chaos . ”

According to Okara , after Georgia area ” controlled chaos ” in the first place , was to be the Ukraine, namely – Crimea . ” This is the point of a fire , including global conflicts that escalate into a world war , which, unfortunately , is one of the scenarios , the implementation of which at the moment from the real ” – says the analyst.

His colleague from the Ukrainian Institute of Russia Andrey Blinov agree that Russia is not interested in such a conflict . ” When people talk about the war in the Crimea or in the hamlet St. Michael , I believe that this scenario is marginal . A question more active economic participation of Russian capital is very likely. But it depends on when the crisis is over . If in 2010 , while Russia will be much weaker , “- said the expert .

http://www.utro.ru/2008/12/26/peredovica/

[Cidersomerset]

Although I have watched this several times , I thought I should watch it
again and it is chilling. Its four years old ( where did that go ?? ). I
think I was muddling some of it up with other info, so its definitely worth
watching again imo.


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I think I will move the masons graphic to here....


http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/media/blogs/blog/38/structure-of-freemasonry-by-38.jpg

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/...aled-who-reall

[Bill Ryan]

I do agree with several other comments, btw, that Putin and his advisers are (a) very well-informed and (b) pretty smart. (And I do not think that Putin is on board with the NWO game. He's a chess-master, and is playing his own game with his own agenda. He is no globalist pawn.)

Hello Bill,

Can you detail why do you think Putin is no globalist pawn?

The reason I ask this is because I came to believe that those that attempt to rule the world (at a very high level), have no names, no faces and they definitely are not in the news. Putin may think of himself that he is independent, but isn't there a strong possibility that he is being played? I am thinking here of everything from mind control, "black magic", advanced tech, miss information and so on that could easily take Putin out or "change his mind".

For him not to be a pawn, would imply that he has some pretty good protection from "someone" that opposes the "One World Government", so this is why I am curious why do you say he is no globalist pawn? Who or what do you think is behind him in this case?

Hi, Ilie! :)

Here's a very brief summary in an attempt to answer your excellent question.

Based on readily available data, Putin's intervention in


Georgia (South Ossetia) in Aug 2008,
Syria (basically via his highly influential Sept 2013 opinion piece (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html) in the New York Times), and
now Crimea, after provocation from what looks VERY much like a western-inspired right-wing takeover of Ukraine

... all indicates to me that this is NOT orchestrated, but that Putin is a real thorn in the side of globalist plans.

Furthermore, if Joel Skousen's hypothesis (http://projectavalon.net/8_minute_Joel_Skousen_WW_III_Scenario_Summary_28_Feb_2014.mp3) is to be taken seriously (that the plan is, within the next 6-10 years, to provoke Russia into a nuclear first strike against the US in order to complete the NWO takeover of the planet), if Putin was just part of a choreographed Punch-and-Judy show, why wait another half dozen years when the world is waking up at a daily-increasing rate? They'd trigger the war tomorrow, via some flare-up in Syria, Crimea or elsewhere.

This, too, implies that Putin is not under control, and that the plan is somehow to trick or provoke him.

[loc333]

The news in u.s. is saying nothing about the ukraine. newly elected.being neo natzi,s...Why wouldnt jewish americans have a problem with this.Most of us yanks have been dumb down not to notice things like this but wouldnt the jewish community say something. Not that there bad people but what the hell.

[Bill Ryan]

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I should add a little more to supplement my post #82 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69621-Ukraine-Crimea-Syria-Israel-Iran-Putin-and-World-War-III&p=812303&viewfull=1#post812303) above:

To stage-manage a war, one must create an enemy. That enemy can either be a stooge, or one that's manipulated and provoked. In this case, I see no evidence that Putin is a stooge.

To answer the second part of Ilie's question (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69621-Ukraine-Crimea-Syria-Israel-Iran-Putin-and-World-War-III&p=812184&viewfull=1#post812184), re mind control, electronic influence, black magic and the like, the Russians are very advanced in that department. Ever since the 60s and 70s, the Americans have been working hard to catch up. See this book:

Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain (http://www.amazon.com/Psychic-Discoveries-Behind-Iron-Curtain/dp/0137320817) by Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder




http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51K2FGjVoHL._SL500_SY300_.jpg
And regarding the highest-level controllers themselves, there are persistent rumors that among them there is now a degree of division and disagreement.

The globalist plans are fracturing and not working as well as they'd like, which actually makes this period we're living through very dangerous indeed.... they may not have a lot of time left to implement their coup de grace, and may therefore try something stupid, extreme, or desperate.

[PurpleLama]

It is a question of Putin's relationship to the central banks, I would think.

[Hawkwind]

... (And I do not think that Putin is on board with the NWO game. He's a chess-master, and is playing his own game with his own agenda. He is no globalist pawn.)...

I find that very difficult to believe for a number of reasons.

First, Putin was president of Russia in 2001. As previously mentioned, he must have been aware that the September 11 attacks were a false flag. If he truly wanted to disrupt the plans for a NWO all he had to do was come forward with the intel he had at that time. It would not have been possible for the US government to block an immediate investigation into the charges, there wouldn’t have been time to destroy evidence and disappear credible witnesses. Hard to say what would have happened after that, but for sure Bush, Cheney and crew would have been in prison, in hiding or dead and plans for a NWO would have been stopped cold. Didn’t happen. In fact, when Thierry Meyssan’s book on the subject came out Pravda just as thoroughly dismissed it as nonsense as Time and Newsweek did. Not only did the Russian government and media play along with the globalists’ plans, there must have been a high degree of certainty that they (and the rest of the world’s leaders and mass media) would play along for the plan to even be considered.

Second, it’s exceedingly difficult to know with any degree of certainty who the ringleaders of the cabal actually are. Some names have, however, been established with very little doubt. Among those are the Schiffs and Warburgs, whose fingerprints are all over the Bolshevik Revolution. In short, Lenin and Stalin were illuminati pawns. Lenin’s job was to tear down the pre-existing system of tzarist rule, Stalin’s was to get rid of any opposition to the new system of communist rule. After Stalin’s death, that job passed to the KGB. There is no freakin way that Putin became an officer within that agency without being compliant with its agenda. Which, on one level, was the advancement of Soviet interests and on a broader level was laying the ground work for the planned NWO. Did Putin know he was part of a globalist agenda? Dunno, but he’s certainly not dumb, so he probably was at least somewhat aware of his role. Would the cabal have allowed him to become president of Russia if he wasn’t at least cooperating with their plans? No freakin way.

The cabal clearly are in control of all three branches of the American government and all mass media within that country. (Jagman, please note I’m not being Anti-American here. I’m being Anti-Illuminati.) They also were in control of the Soviet Union until its collapse. The degree of control may have been somewhat diminished when the union dissolved into separate nations, but there certainly was no overall purge of globalist control from the system. If there had been, similar purges would have followed worldwide.

Third, it’s also exceedingly difficult to know with any degree of certainty just how widespread and complete illuminati control of geopolitics is, but we can take an educated guess. Their principal means of control has always been financial. Pretty safe bet that the figures published by the media they own are false. So, let’s see where a calculation based on fairly safe assumptions leads us. Since wealth and poverty are relative terms, (If I have ten dollars in a world where everyone else has on average one, I’m relatively rich. If I have ten dollars in a world where everyone else has on average one thousand, I’m relatively poor.) I’ll do a hypothetical calculation of percentages of world wealth. If the illuminati held 1% of world wealth when the Bank of England was founded in 1694 and the control they thereby gained over fiat currency and fractional reserve lending gave them a 2% advantage over everyone else, what percentage of world wealth would they then hold today? To be clear, I’m not saying they are transferring 2% of world wealth to their coffers annually. I’m saying their assets increase just 2% faster than everyone else’s. (Which I think is a very conservative estimate.) So, in 1694 they control 1% of world resources, in 1695 it’s 1.02%, 1696- 1.0302%, etc. At this rate by 1900 would control 50% of assets on the planet. Since wealth held outside illuminati control never falls to absolute zero, rather than calculate their percentage increase I’ll calculate everyone else’s percentage loss from this point forward. At 2% it halves every 35 years.
So if the distribution is 50/50 in 1900,
it’s 75/25 in 1935,
87.5/12.5 in 1970,
93.75/6.25 in 2005
and roughly 94.6/5.4% today.

Since the calculation is based on percentages, whatever number is assigned to the value of total world assets is entirely arbitrary. I’ll use 100 trillion for convenience. If there are 10,000 people in the cabal (the actually number is probably far less than that) and 7 billion other people on the planet. Based on a 2% financial advantage spread over 320 years and 100 trillion dollars in current estimated value of world assets. Each person in the cabal would control on average $9.5 billion in assets and people outside the cabal would control on average $714. If these calculations are even remotely accurate(and I think they’re relatively conservative), then it’s not a matter of 2% of the population controlling 90% of the wealth. It’s more like .00014% controlling 95% of the wealth.

Financial control translates into political control. So, 95% control of global finances should provide about an equal level of control of global politics. With that level of control, would a group bent on implementing a NWO allow anyone outside their control to become president of a country as vitally important to their plans as Russia? Again, no freakin way. Okay, there was a brief slip up with JFK, but Kennedy almost certainly had a radical change of heart after taking office (Timothy Leary claims this was a result of him using LSD which Leary provided through his secratary.) In any case, that problem was resolved relatively quickly and steps were no doubt taken to insure that it would never happen again. As David Icke says, Presidents aren’t elected, they’re selected. That’s just as true in Russia as it is in the US. And they’re selected by the globalists based more on control-ability than competence (How else could George W. have become president of anything?)

[Cidersomerset]

I don't know about Putin, he obviously knows whats really happening and RT
definitely questions 9/11 and reports a lot of what other mainstream outlets
would call conspiracy......But I certainly cannot argue with JW ..LOL


(How else could George W. have become president of anything?)

When its suggested the cabal / PTB are dumbing down the public, well they
certainly started at the top with JW....The ultimate puppet on a string.

" The key is to keep expectation low " he says in below interview.....

ZOGU_y4KRTA

Published on 6 Sep 2012

WTF? It's hard to be believe that dolt was in charge, or was he ever?
Honestly, how could someone so thick become the world's leader?
It reminds one of the 1979 film 'Being There.' He doesn't know the
definition of the word 'backstory' when asked about 'The Stranger.'
It is so, so very sad! Worse, he goes on to claim that he read 60
books in the period of January through September 2006. Sorry?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
and where was Georgie on 9/11 safely in school with his
playmates while Uncles Dick & Don caused mayhem.

http://theopenscroll.com/images/symbols/ipgBushClassroomBookUpsideDown.jpg



George Bush's 20 worst moments

short vid and list on link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/4228722/George-Bushs-20-worst-moments.html

I could of chosen many more quotes...Other countries have had unarticulate
leaders before and some were a lot worse & evil.

But how the hell does the only world super power have a idiot like JW straight out
of the 'Beverly Hill Billies' Unless he was chosen to be the perfect 'patsy' for
Chaney, Rumsfeld and crew during the 9/11 false flag and implementing the 'New
American century agenda'. Which leads into what Bill talks about in the
Anglo Saxon mission. As this is a fluid operation only time will tell but the players
mentioned China, Iran are still front line targets for the Neo -con / Anglo agenda
which could be two parts of a bigger picture which is now drawing in Russia.......

===================================================

BREAKING! Russia Today: 9/11 was a False Flag Attack

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Published on 20 Sep 2013


Bigger than Watergate': US 'regular' meetings with Al-Qaeda's leader; documented
White House 'false flag terrorism' moving people 'like sheep'; the father of Twin
Towers victim tell us why he backs this month's 9/11 campaign on Times Square
and around the world; & the protests calendar for September.





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Published on 15 Mar 2013


Abby Martin speaks with independent journalist, and co-host of Media Roots Radio,
Robbie Martin, about the recent revelations of former vice president Dick Cheney
lying to the 9/11 commission, and what larger implications this could have.

===================================================
I know many of you know a lot of what I'm saying but there are new people
looking in and is why I like to qualify the info with vids/docs if I can.....

This is a joke, Georgie the leader of the 'free World' was to scared to see the
nasty commission on his own. Uncle Dick had to hold his hand...Ridiculous
JW was not trusted to keep the story straight and may have said the wrong
thing and spilled the beans unintentionally.

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[Hervé]

A few points for Putin in my books:


[...]

By Servando Gonzalez in http://henrymakow.com/2014/03/gay-is-not-the-same-as.html

PUTIN

Granted, like most politicians such as the Bushes, the Clintons and Obama, Vladimir Putin might be corrupt and power hungry. But there is a big difference that makes him a fierce enemy of the NWO conspirators: contrary to his American counterparts, Putin loves his country. His dream is to change Russia into a first class industrialized country with a large middle class.

Moreover, Putin is not associated with the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the World Economic Forum or any other globalist organizations. He is not conspiring in the shadows to eliminate Russia's sovereignty and create a New World Order -- a global government controlled by oil magnates, international bankers and CEOs of transnational corporations.

Contrary to his CFR foes, Putin's goal is not to turn back history and change Russia again into the medieval, hunger-games-like society the CFR conspirators imposed on the Russian people for more than half a century and now envision for the rest of the world, including the U.S.

And that makes a big difference.

The CFR globalist conspirators hate Putin for the same reasons they hated Kennedy and Reagan, the last presidents who really loved America. It will not be so easy for them, however, to get rid of Putin the same way they got rid of Kennedy and tried to eliminate Reagan.

[...]

Servando Gonzalez, is a Cuban-born American writer, historian, semiologist and intelligence analyst. He has written books, essays and articles on Latin American history, intelligence, espionage, and semiotics. Servando is the author of Historia herética de la revolución fidelista, Observando, The Secret Fidel Castro: Deconstructing the Symbol, The Nuclear Deception: Nikita Khrushchev and the Cuban Missile Crisis and La madre de todas las conspiraciones: Una novela de ideas subversivas, all available at Amazon.com.

[Hawkwind]

Addendum- I made my last post prior to reading your response to Ilie

... Here's a very brief summary in an attempt to answer your excellent question.

Based on readily available data, Putin's intervention in


Georgia (South Ossetia) in Aug 2008,
Syria (basically via his highly influential Sept 2013 opinion piece (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html) in the New York Times), and
now Crimea, after provocation from what looks VERY much like a western-inspired right-wing takeover of Ukraine

... all indicates to me that this is NOT orchestrated, but that Putin is a real thorn in the side of globalist plans.

Furthermore, if Joel Skousen's hypothesis (http://projectavalon.net/8_minute_Joel_Skousen_WW_III_Scenario_Summary_28_Feb_2014.mp3) is to be taken seriously (that the plan is, within the next 6-10 years, to provoke Russia into a nuclear first strike against the US in order to complete the NWO takeover of the planet), if Putin was just part of a choreographed Punch-and-Judy show, why wait another half dozen years when the world is waking up at a daily-increasing rate? They'd trigger the war tomorrow, via some flare-up in Syria, Crimea or elsewhere.

This, too, implies that Putin is not under control, and that the plan is somehow to trick or provoke him.

As I alluded to in my first post on this thread, in order for a global conflict to take place the soldiers and populace of both sides have to believe that what they are doing is necessary and right. In this case the Russians must believe that they are fighting to save the world from American Imperialism. The Americans must believe that they are fighting to stop the rise of a new Hitler. What better way to beat the war drums than through a few preliminary conflicts? American media is still pumping out images of the unchecked suffering in Syria, with the implied “We could have prevented this if only Russia hadn’t stepped in.” Israel intercepts missiles supposedly being sent from Iran. Who do you think will catch the blame if another supposed shipment of missiles makes it into the hands of the supposed Anti-Semetic terrorists and manages to hit a target (schoolyard, hospital or retirement home being my guess)?

The players being in conflict is one of the defining characteristics of a Punch and Judy show, not evidence that something other than that is taking place, IMO.

[chocolate]

Not that I know anything about what would mean to be a soldier, but usually soldiers follow orders ...

Edited to add:
I agree with Amzer, regarding the quote he last wrote.
Putin is a nationalist (at least that is the image he has in my country),
he loves Russia,
and also with the scale of Russia together with a powerful ally as China could be, he needs no NWO allegiance.

[bruno dante]

Anybody else notice the awkward, sort of macho body language between Bush and Brian Williams in the above interview? There were several subtle and not so subtle invasions of personal space, combined with chest puffing and attempts at authoritative pointing or gesturing. It was just this weird kind of back n forth dominance posturing. Almost hard to watch. Awkward!

[chocolate]

Georgia (South Ossetia) in Aug 2008,
Syria (basically via his highly influential Sept 2013 opinion piece (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html) in the New York Times), and
now Crimea, after provocation from what looks VERY much like a western-inspired right-wing takeover of Ukraine

... all indicates to me that this is NOT orchestrated, but that Putin is a real thorn in the side of globalist plans.

Furthermore, if Joel Skousen's hypothesis (http://projectavalon.net/8_minute_Joel_Skousen_WW_III_Scenario_Summary_28_Feb_2014.mp3) is to be taken seriously (that the plan is, within the next 6-10 years, to provoke Russia into a nuclear first strike against the US in order to complete the NWO takeover of the planet), if Putin was just part of a choreographed Punch-and-Judy show, why wait another half dozen years when the world is waking up at a daily-increasing rate? They'd trigger the war tomorrow, via some flare-up in Syria, Crimea or elsewhere.

This, too, implies that Putin is not under control, and that the plan is somehow to trick or provoke him.

I personally feel that Putin, or the US for that matter, nobody wants to start a war. Because they all realize what a possible war would mean, with the present level of technology.

What we are watching is just a charade. A show off and a power-play, as stated a bit before me. In my opinion, too.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't know about the details beneath the surface.
The more we know, the less they can speculate with our 'apparent' unawareness.

BG at present is pro-Russian oriented, it has been, and it will ever be, as far as I can see it, despite the pro-American influences one gets to also sense on occasion. Being on the crossroad between Europe and Asia, Russia/Putin have already secured one passage for their influence. And their gas for that matter.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/South_Stream_map.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Stream

That South Stream is under way, BTW.

The Ukraine, hate me for saying that, has been Russian for a very, very long time. The mere fact that all of a sudden it wants now to become part of the EU is very, very suspicious, to say the least. I wonder why the change of heart?

Putin/Russia are aware of the power play staged at such a comfortable place.
And they just play. What happens behind that is another question all together.

The Ukraine is valuable both for Russia and for EU with its vast amount of natural resources, and its strategic location, both between EU/Russia and being around one of the largest Russian Rivers (once at least was a part of Russia) --> Chernobil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_(city))

So yes, Putin wants the Ukraine. And the Ukraine once wanted to be associated with Russia. See here: Commonwealth_of_Independent_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Independent_States)

If it weren't for it being torn apart by pro-western interests right now, that wouldn't be a place for a crisis such as it is today. But a quarrel isn't going to make Russia let go of its source of bread and other valuable goods.

[Carmody]

I do agree with several other comments, btw, that Putin and his advisers are (a) very well-informed and (b) pretty smart. (And I do not think that Putin is on board with the NWO game. He's a chess-master, and is playing his own game with his own agenda. He is no globalist pawn.)

Hello Bill,

Can you detail why do you think Putin is no globalist pawn?

The reason I ask this is because I came to believe that those that attempt to rule the world (at a very high level), have no names, no faces and they definitely are not in the news. Putin may think of himself that he is independent, but isn't there a strong possibility that he is being played? I am thinking here of everything from mind control, "black magic", advanced tech, miss information and so on that could easily take Putin out or "change his mind".

For him not to be a pawn, would imply that he has some pretty good protection from "someone" that opposes the "One World Government", so this is why I am curious why do you say he is no globalist pawn? Who or what do you think is behind him in this case?

There is a quote on intelligence by Gary Kasparov, apparently, and it goes something like 'millions with an IQ of 180 could not (collectively) beat a single person with an IQ of 220'.

This is part of our problem, here, it is a case of Godel's incompleteness theorem... as applied to scope of intelligence.

Our saving grace, is that the sociopaths that are the enablers and actors in this staged play, are not of that level of intelligence.

In their favor, they will not stand by, and they will and do physically act. they act without emotional consequence, and launch into any activity that can remain clandestine and achieve their aims. Morality and ethics are not just ignored, but it's evidence in others is used as a tool to reach their aims. Another crowbar, a highly effective one at that, by which to manipulate others.

There is nothing they won't do, specifically in the west, to immediately and clandestinely turn on anyone who is even suspected to be moving to acting physically, as any motion in that direction ruins their slow build of a nest of intention, one being set up like dominoes. To fire up a purposely created tinderbox, a purposely created attempt into a cascade of effects in western culture and society. One might say that all those other games in other countries are not just part of their aims, but data mining and training for what has gone on in the western manipulations.

To discuss all of this, and also disseminate this information about who and what they are and how they are positioned in given levels of the systems, is a powerful method of defeating them.

This is how we ended up with approx 250 news organizations in the USA being run effectively by 6 people, 5 of which are of one particular ethnic origin and social cultural grouping.

Which is clear evidence of this hidden group... understanding, quite clearly, that control of information that people have, in which to ruminate via, is ultra critical to achieving their aims.

That, in a nutshell, leaves us with this thread, being what it is, in this moment.

[Frank V]

[...]

Furthermore, if Joel Skousen's hypothesis (http://projectavalon.net/8_minute_Joel_Skousen_WW_III_Scenario_Summary_28_Feb_2014.mp3) is to be taken seriously (that the plan is, within the next 6-10 years, to provoke Russia into a nuclear first strike against the US in order to complete the NWO takeover of the planet), if Putin was just part of a choreographed Punch-and-Judy show, why wait another half dozen years when the world is waking up at a daily-increasing rate? They'd trigger the war tomorrow, via some flare-up in Syria, Crimea or elsewhere.

This, too, implies that Putin is not under control, and that the plan is somehow to trick or provoke him.

The following are my personal beliefs, so take them with a grain of salt...


Putin did play along with all the G7/G8/G20 gatherings, but only so in order to keep his nose on top of the matter. From the strategic point of view, this was a much better approach than fighting the Anglo-Saxon mission from the sidelines of the globalist conventions.



Putin has known all about the Anglo-Saxon Mission and its plans all along - don't forget he was head of the KGB for a long time, which in terms of having control and information puts him (at minimum) at the same level of insight and expertise as George H.W. Bush - and I believe that this is why, in the spirit of abiding by Russian law and having served two presidential terms already, he consented to having his right-hand man Dimitry Medvedev observe the Russian presidency for one term (with Putin himself as the Russian Prime Minister), only to then immediately make his return as Russian President, specifically in anticipation of the events as they are currently playing out in Crimea. It was a matter of timing.


Another thing which I would like to mention is that there is a book on "9/11" which I have here on my computer, but which I have not yet finished reading in its entirety because it is huge in volume - over 1 GiB! - and the author's English is not very good, plus that he also digresses a lot in order to prove both his credibility and the legitimacy of his claims. I have downloaded this book (as a PDF) by way of a pointer from Kerry Cassidy on Project Camelot's website, and I think I downloaded it from (I believe) Gordon Duff's website, but unfortunately, I did not write down the link at the time.

The author of this book is a former ex-Soviet officer, and he states that the Soviet's nuclear arsenal, while impressive and incredibly advanced, was never intended for an offensive, but rather specifically geared towards a defensive scenario only. Whether it is Putin's pragmatic acceptance of the existing Russian (and former Soviet) military infrastructure or whether he himself also believes that peace is to be preserved at all time - personally, I do not think that Putin would be cherishing any imperialist ideals - his attitude does appear to be that he wants to preserve world peace at all cost, and therefore I think that he won't be so stupid as to fall for a provocation scenario.

Vladimir Putin is a chess player. So is Zbigniew Brzezinsky. I myself also play chess on occasion - albeit that it's been a few months now since I've last played against a human being - but if I were to wager a bet on the outcome of a chess match between Putin and Brzezinsky, then my money would be on Putin. Unlike the Anglo-Saxon imperialists, Putin does not assume the arrogance of superiority that he's going to win before the match has started. He's much too careful for that.

Of course, in the end, there is a lot more at stake than just a conflict between two nations; it's the faith of the whole planet - or at the very least, the northern hemisphere - which depends on the outcome of this chess game. And we also know that the Anglo-Saxon Mission, by way of its favorite tool, the United States of America, does engage in first strikes. They've been invading too many sovereign nations already in the seven decades since World War II to leave any room for doubt. So there is no guarantee that there would not be an armed conflict again between East and West. But it need not necessarily be a nuclear conflict.

From the point of view of humanity, a nuclear conflict - should it come to that - would be a terrible thing, of course. From the strategic point of view however, I'm convinced that Putin will present the aggressors with a few nasty surprises, and that in the end, their plan will still fail.

I suspect that Obama and his cronies know that Putin is a dangerous adversary and that he may cause their plan to fail, which is why I think that it most likely won't come to the hoped-by-them nuclear conflict. On the other hand however, I also do think that the Illuminati are not going to allow the failure of a strategy - even if it is their most favored one - to sway them from their end goal.

I do have my own reasons for believing that ultimately, the Illuminati plan will not succeed - at least, not on this time line - because they are on their way to bringing about their own downfall. But we're not quite there yet, and things might still get very ugly for a while before the Illuminati are defeated once and for all.

Just my two cents in whatever your favorite currency. Take them for what they are. :-)

[Flash]

I do agree with several other comments, btw, that Putin and his advisers are (a) very well-informed and (b) pretty smart. (And I do not think that Putin is on board with the NWO game. He's a chess-master, and is playing his own game with his own agenda. He is no globalist pawn.)

Hello Bill,

Can you detail why do you think Putin is no globalist pawn?

The reason I ask this is because I came to believe that those that attempt to rule the world (at a very high level), have no names, no faces and they definitely are not in the news. Putin may think of himself that he is independent, but isn't there a strong possibility that he is being played? I am thinking here of everything from mind control, "black magic", advanced tech, miss information and so on that could easily take Putin out or "change his mind".

For him not to be a pawn, would imply that he has some pretty good protection from "someone" that opposes the "One World Government", so this is why I am curious why do you say he is no globalist pawn? Who or what do you think is behind him in this case?

There is a quote on intelligence by Gary Kasparov, apparently, and it goes something like 'millions with an IQ of 180 could not (collectively) beat a single person with an IQ of 220'.

This is part of our problem, here, it is a case of Godel's incompleteness theorem... as applied to scope of intelligence.

Are you implying here that Putin, or those backing him if any, are brighter than their Western counterparts?

[Cidersomerset]

Israel Preps for Strike on Iran Nuke Facilities

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Published on 20 Mar 2014

Israel Preps for Strike on Iran Nuke Facilities



Is this to do with #13 on page 1 ?....There have
been many reports of a preliminary stike, but
could this be the one ?

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.60.1/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png

19 March 2014 Last updated at 16:43

Iran's Zarif 'sees signs of comprehensive nuclear deal'Catherine Ashton and
Mohammad Javad Zarif in Vienna (19 March 2014) Mohammad Javad Zarif said he
was "optimistic" about meeting the 20 July deadline for a long-term deal


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73686000/jpg/_73686274_73681972.jpg


Iran's foreign minister has said he sees "signs" of a comprehensive deal on its
nuclear programme, after talks with world powers, Iranian media report.
Mohammad Javad Zarif was quoted by the Fars news agency as saying "an
understanding is possible that respects the rights of the Iranian nation".
Earlier, he and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said their two days of talks
in Vienna had been "substantive".

They also agreed to resume discussions in the Austrian capital next month.

Iran and the P5+1 - the US, UK, France, China and Russia plus Germany - are
seeking to build on an interim deal signed in November, which saw Tehran curb
uranium enrichment in return for partial sanctions relief.

The world powers want Iran to scale back its sensitive nuclear activities
permanently to ensure that it cannot assemble a nuclear weapon.


Iranian Foreign Minister

But Iran says its nuclear work, which it insists is peaceful, will continue - and wants
an end to the sanctions that have crippled its economy.After their latest meeting,
Mr Zarif and Baroness Ashton issued a joint statement saying they had "substantive
and useful discussions covering a set of issues", including uranium enrichment, the
heavy-water reactor at Arak, civil nuclear co-operation and sanctions.

"We will meet again on 7-9 April 2014 in Vienna and continue our work on the
substantial areas which we intend to cover in a comprehensive agreement. In the
meantime, technical experts will meet to further elaborate on the details of the
relevant issues."

Mr Zarif subsequently told reporters: "At this stage we are trying to get an idea...
of the issues that are involved and how each side sees various aspects of this
problem."

He added that he was "optimistic" about meeting the 20 July deadline for a long-
term deal.However, a senior US official warned that it would be very difficult to
overcome the issues surrounding Iran's uranium enrichment activities, including
monitoring, the Natanz and Fordo facilities, and its stockpiles of enriched uranium.

"It's a gap that's going to take some hard work to get to a place where we can find
agreement," the official said.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73686000/jpg/_73686278_6f1c5a17-9d3a-4937-8fe5-31811aad3bb3.jpg

The official added that differences over the heavy-water reactor under construction
at Arak, from whose spent fuel plutonium could be extracted by a reprocessing
plant, remained similarly wide.

Without giving details, the official said there were "many options" for Arak.

The US has previously suggested converting it into a light-water reactor, which
experts say would produce less plutonium and therefore present less of a
proliferation threat.

Mr Zarif told reporters on Wednesday that the Arak reactor was "part of Iran's
nuclear programme and will not be closed down" but did not explicitly rule out
modifying it.

Last month, the head of the Atomic Energy Organisation of Iran said it could
introduce some design changes to allay the P5+1's concerns.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26643505

[Jake]

Another thing which I would like to mention is that there is a book on "9/11" which I have here on my computer, but which I have not yet finished reading in its entirety because it is huge in volume - over 1 GiB! - and the author's English is not very good, plus that he also digresses a lot in order to prove both his credibility and the legitimacy of his claims. I have downloaded this book (as a PDF) by way of a pointer from Kerry Cassidy on Project Camelot's website, and I think I downloaded it from (I believe) Gordon Duff's website, but unfortunately, I did not write down the link at the time.

The author of this book is a former ex-Soviet officer, and he states that the Soviet's nuclear arsenal, while impressive and incredibly advanced, was never intended for an offensive, but rather specifically geared towards a defensive scenario only. Whether it is Putin's pragmatic acceptance of the existing Russian (and former Soviet) military infrastructure or whether he himself also believes that peace is to be preserved at all time - personally, I do not think that Putin would be cherishing any imperialist ideals - his attitude does appear to be that he wants to preserve world peace at all cost, and therefore I think that he won't be so stupid as to fall for a provocation scenario.

Vladimir Putin is a chess player. So is Zbigniew Brzezinsky. I myself also play chess on occasion - albeit that it's been a few months now since I've last played against a human being - but if I were to wager a bet on the outcome of a chess match between Putin and Brzezinsky, then my money would be on Putin. Unlike the Anglo-Saxon imperialists, Putin does not assume the arrogance of superiority that he's going to win before the match has started. He's much too careful for that.

Of course, in the end, there is a lot more at stake than just a conflict between two nations; it's the faith of the whole planet - or at the very least, the northern hemisphere - which depends on the outcome of this chess game. And we also know that the Anglo-Saxon Mission, by way of its favorite tool, the United States of America, does engage in first strikes. They've been invading too many sovereign nations already in the seven decades since World War II to leave any room for doubt. So there is no guarantee that there would not be an armed conflict again between East and West. But it need not necessarily be a nuclear conflict.

From the point of view of humanity, a nuclear conflict - should it come to that - would be a terrible thing, of course. From the strategic point of view however, I'm convinced that Putin will present the aggressors with a few nasty surprises, and that in the end, their plan will still fail.

I suspect that Obama and his cronies know that Putin is a dangerous adversary and that he may cause their plan to fail, which is why I think that it most likely won't come to the hoped-by-them nuclear conflict. On the other hand however, I also do think that the Illuminati are not going to allow the failure of a strategy - even if it is their most favored one - to sway them from their end goal.

I do have my own reasons for believing that ultimately, the Illuminati plan will not succeed - at least, not on this time line - because they are on their way to bringing about their own downfall. But we're not quite there yet, and things might still get very ugly for a while before the Illuminati are defeated once and for all.

Just my two cents in whatever your favorite currency. Take them for what they are. :-)

Here (http://projectcamelotportal.com/blog/1798-dimitri-khalezov-book-on-9-11-just-released) is the Project Camelot link-up page for the book by Dimitri Khalezov. It is a free download.

Is this the book that you are referring to? :)

Jake.

[chocolate]

Do we really 'believe' that Israel will really plan to strike Iran, and also will make sure that this piece of valuable information becomes publicly available through BBC?
:)

[Cidersomerset]

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21 March 2014 Last updated at 17:26

Ukraine: Putin signs Crimea annexation

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Putin signs Crimea annexation law

Vladimir Putin (C) signs a law on ratification of a treaty making Crimea part of
Russia, during a ceremony in the Kremlin, with Valentina Matviyenko (L), the
speaker of the upper house of Russian parliament, and Sergei Naryshkin (R), the
speaker of parliaments lower house (21 Marc 2014) The speakers of Russia's two
houses of parliament - both targeted by EU sanctions - were at Vladimir Putin's side
as he signed the law annexing Crimea


President Vladimir Putin has signed a law formalising Russia's takeover of Crimea
from Ukraine, despite fresh sanctions from the EU and the US.The European
Union's latest measures target 12 people involved in Russia's annexation of the
peninsula.Earlier on Friday Ukraine and the EU signed an accord forging closer
political ties.European leaders also said they would step up efforts to reduce energy
dependency on Russia.The EU's new sanctions add to an existing list of 21 officials
affected by travel bans and asset freezes.

They include Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin and two close aides of Vladimir
Putin, Sergey Glazyev and Vladislav Surkov.

The speakers of Russia's two houses of parliament, Valentina Matviyenko and
Sergei Naryshkin - both at Mr Putin's side as he signed the Crimea law - are also
included.

While the list targets several figures close to the Russian president, it does not hit
his inner circle as hard as the sanctions announced by the US on Thursday.

Downgrade

Shares fell sharply in Moscow on Friday as investors assessed the impact of
Western sanctions on Russia's economy.Two credit rating agencies have now
downgraded Russia's outlook from stable to negative.Visa and Mastercard have also
stopped providing services to two Russian financial institutions, Bank Rossiya (hit
by US sanctions) and SMP Bank.

The accord signed by the EU and Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk in
Brussels on Friday contains the political part of the EU Association Agreement
rejected in November by Viktor Yanukovych, who was then Ukraine's president.

That decision triggered violent protests, Mr Yanukovych's eventual overthrow and
Russia's subsequent move into Crimea.

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Ukraine's PM Arseniy Yatsenyuk met EU leaders including Angela Merkel and the
Lithuanian president The United Nations Secretary General, Ban Ki-Moon, visiting
Kiev the day after meeting Mr Putin in Moscow, urged Ukraine and Russia to hold
talks to prevent the crisis spreading.

Ukraine's interim President Olexander Turchynov, after meeting Mr Ban, said
Ukraine would never accept "the seizure of its territory".

In a separate development on Friday, Ukrainian police detained the head of the
Naftogaz state energy firm, Yevhen Bakulin.

He is accused of embezzling $4bn (£2.4bn) during Mr Yanukovych's time in power.

Officials investigating corruption at Ukraine's agriculture ministry are reported to
have seized tens of thousands of dollars in cash.


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73736000/jpg/_73736937_021614277-1.jpg



Russian troops enter a Ukrainian military base near the Crimean city of Simferopol
In Crimea itself, forces allied to Russia have been seizing Ukrainian ships and
taking over military bases.The new authorities in Crimea have invited those serving
in the Ukrainian forces on the peninsula to switch sides and join Russian forces.

Fireworks

Vladimir Putin has ordered fireworks displays for Moscow and Crimea on Friday
night to celebrate the region becoming part of the Russian Federation.Russia
ordered travel bans and asset freezes for nine prominent US officials and
lawmakers in response to Thursday's announcement of sanctions targeting Mr
Putin's allies by President Barack Obama.

Senator John McCain, one of those targeted, joked in a tweet that he would have to
cancel his spring break in Siberia.

Mr Putin said Moscow would not retaliate for the latest EU sanctions - although the
Russian foreign ministry said there would be a response.

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Read more.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26686949

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Crimea, Sevastopol officially join Russia as Putin signs final decree

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Published on 21 Mar 2014


Russia has finalized the legal process of taking Crimea under its sovereignty, as
President Putin signed a law amending the Russian constitution to reflect the
transition - READ MORE http://on.rt.com/lc4fnx

[Cidersomerset]

Do we really 'believe' that Israel will really plan to strike Iran, and also will make sure that this piece of valuable information becomes publicly available through BBC?

I don't know but it was CBN not BBC...LOL

I'm doing my news round !!

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Israel Budgets Billions for Plan to Attack Iran

Friday 21st March 2014 at 04:18 By David Icke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZ2N9pow0g

‘Despite what is characterized as substantive progress in talks between Iran, the
United States, and the European Union on Iran’s nuclear program, the state of
Israel has announced it is allocating in excess of 10 billion shekels for war
preparations.

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz cites three members of the Knesset, Israel’s

parliament, who say between 10 and 12 billion shekels, or between $2.89 and
$3.47 billion, has been set aside for the attack on Iran. Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon ordered the Israeli military to
prepare for the attack, the newspaper reported on Wednesday.

Some members of the Knesset question whether the allocation has to do with
progress between Iran and six Western nations and an agreement reached last
November. The IDF said it had “received a clear directive from government officials
from the political echelon – meaning Netanyahu and Ya’alon – to continue readying
for a possible independent strike by Israel on the Iranian nuclear sites, regardless
of the talks now happening between Iran and the West,” according to the three
Knesset members.’

Read more: Israel Budgets Billions for Plan to Attack Iran

http://www.infowars.com/israel-budgets-billions-for-plan-to-attack-iran/

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Bill Ryan]

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Many thanks to all for this most interesting and highly intelligent discussion. Avalon at its best, for sure.

Do continue! But here's a little aside (and this may deserve its own thread, I think):

Last night I watched the PBS documentary feature, The Man Who Saved The World (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2208342/Soviet-submariner-single-handedly-averted-WWIII-height-Cuban-Missile-Crisis.html). This is a most extraordinary story, one that's only recently emerged, of the stand-off (as in the Hollywood movie Crimson Tide (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112740/)) in a Russian Nuclear submarine deployed in the Cuban Missile Crisis which back in 1962 brought the world to the brink of war.

The Americans didn't know it, but the subs were armed with nuclear torpedoes as powerful as the bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. One submarine commander, supported by his on-board political officer (who had to consent), gave the order to fire one of the weapons. It would have taken out the entire local US fleet. Such an action would certainly have started World War III, and if that order had been carried out, you and I might not be here reading this now.

One man, and one man alone, the fleet commander (in overall charge of all four submarines in the area), said NO. His solitary intelligence, cool head, courage and vision may well have saved us all.

(Maybe that's what Carmody meant (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69621-Ukraine-Crimea-Syria-Israel-Iran-Putin-and-World-War-III&p=812358&viewfull=1#post812358)... :) )

:focus:

[Limor Wolf]

It very well may be that the reason for the different observations on this thread lies in the title :) Everyone is right when taking a stance in this discussion, It may all depends on the level of observation. There are differences between the approaches of the various states and powers which helps to keep the conflict viable, but these, imo, are differences on the same matter. The 'Anglo Saxon Mission' testimony is intended for the general public and as such is not engaging the higer level of the planners but still stays within the level of the preformers.

Add to the title - 'Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, Israel, Iran, Putin, World War III and those who are pulling the strings' and the perspective may expand and change. Our leaders are controlled by rulers on a higher level, and they, in return, if human, are controlled by a higher level. and possibly even there the way of approach towards the planet earth 'business' is diverging. very much like the factions of ET's who are fighting to control this planet, same story different faces, different attitude, different style of politics to achieve it, but the same outcome if we look at it from the humans point of views.

Hawkwind gave some strong points, this global world order under one ruller scenario is too well organised for thousands of years in order to let it fail with any of the parameters that are under their control (as opposed to the ones who are not under their control), it may be that the aspirers to the throne and succession of planet earth have different names and different identities, in both cases it is not us humans. So coming from the point of view and observation from inside the game it may very well appear that Putin and Russia are adopting another policy which oppses the NWO, but if rising above the 'games of control' perspective then we can see that niether this nor that will be good Representatives to the human beings currently living on this planet or to their and the planet's needs, and aren't we coming from this perspective as being one of them?

[Ilie Pandia]

I do agree with several other comments, btw, that Putin and his advisers are (a) very well-informed and (b) pretty smart. (And I do not think that Putin is on board with the NWO game. He's a chess-master, and is playing his own game with his own agenda. He is no globalist pawn.)

[...]
For him not to be a pawn, would imply that he has some pretty good protection from "someone" that opposes the "One World Government", so this is why I am curious why do you say he is no globalist pawn? Who or what do you think is behind him in this case?

Hi, Ilie! :)

Here's a very brief summary in an attempt to answer your excellent question.

Based on readily available data, Putin's intervention in


Georgia (South Ossetia) in Aug 2008,
Syria (basically via his highly influential Sept 2013 opinion piece (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html) in the New York Times), and
now Crimea, after provocation from what looks VERY much like a western-inspired right-wing takeover of Ukraine

... all indicates to me that this is NOT orchestrated, but that Putin is a real thorn in the side of globalist plans.

Furthermore, if Joel Skousen's hypothesis (http://projectavalon.net/8_minute_Joel_Skousen_WW_III_Scenario_Summary_28_Feb_2014.mp3) is to be taken seriously (that the plan is, within the next 6-10 years, to provoke Russia into a nuclear first strike against the US in order to complete the NWO takeover of the planet), if Putin was just part of a choreographed Punch-and-Judy show, why wait another half dozen years when the world is waking up at a daily-increasing rate? They'd trigger the war tomorrow, via some flare-up in Syria, Crimea or elsewhere.

This, too, implies that Putin is not under control, and that the plan is somehow to trick or provoke him.

Something still does not add up...

At Avalon we have known for some time that Free Energy devices have been invented since Tesla (and rediscovered every since) and then tightly suppressed. If Putin was a "good guy", he would just have to provide a safe heaven for the development of Free Energy technology. That will make Russia instantly insanely rich, since all moves around energy (money being just symbols on worthless paper). They would not need any oil and cause no pollution and would have all the energy required to stop any attacks coming from the US side.

The fact that nobody (USA, Russia or China) is addressing the energy issue and they just dance around the oil fields makes me think that this is all "smoke and mirrors" while the real issue (enslaving humanity into an obsolete and unnecessary dept system) is alive and well (and ignored).

This could be some kind of "Mexican standoff", because otherwise it makes not sense to talk about war, economy, oil and resources when you have a ton of suppressed inventions that would make all of this obsolete. For this reason Putin (whatever agenda he may have) does not look like a good guy! Hey may think that he can take it all for himself, so he will fight for that right, but if he were truly serious about world peace and cleaning up the mess in the middle east then Free Energy would be the way to go: stop the oil and radio active pollution. We don't see this happening... not even being mentioned... just more of the same old threats that I read as: "If you want to screw this country for its oil we will want a share of it, otherwise back off!"

Or could be that Putin does not yet believe he is strong enough to play the "Free Energy" card.

[Frank V]

Another thing which I would like to mention is that there is a book on "9/11" which I have here on my computer, but which I have not yet finished reading in its entirety because it is huge in volume - over 1 GiB! - and the author's English is not very good, plus that he also digresses a lot in order to prove both his credibility and the legitimacy of his claims. I have downloaded this book (as a PDF) by way of a pointer from Kerry Cassidy on Project Camelot's website, and I think I downloaded it from (I believe) Gordon Duff's website, but unfortunately, I did not write down the link at the time.

The author of this book is a former ex-Soviet officer, and he states that the Soviet's nuclear arsenal, while impressive and incredibly advanced, was never intended for an offensive, but rather specifically geared towards a defensive scenario only. Whether it is Putin's pragmatic acceptance of the existing Russian (and former Soviet) military infrastructure or whether he himself also believes that peace is to be preserved at all time - personally, I do not think that Putin would be cherishing any imperialist ideals - his attitude does appear to be that he wants to preserve world peace at all cost, and therefore I think that he won't be so stupid as to fall for a provocation scenario.



Here (http://projectcamelotportal.com/blog/1798-dimitri-khalezov-book-on-9-11-just-released) is the Project Camelot link-up page for the book by Dimitri Khalezov. It is a free download.

Is this the book that you are referring to? :)

Jake.

That's the one, Jake. Thanks for digging up the link. Even though I don't necessarily agree with everything the author writes, I do still think that this is an important must-read for Avalonians. ;-)

Namaste. :-)

[Cidersomerset]

There are several stories that could be linked to the bigger picture....
I changed map in below report as you could not read the original.
This shows the strategic area with Iraq in the middle .......


US-NATO is Losing Covert War on Syria

Friday 21st March 2014 at 03:33 By David Icke

http://www.mediaroots.org/wp-content/uploads/images/World%20News/IranMapWikicommons.jpg

‘Since the beginning of 2013, Syrian troops had begun an irreversible push to take
back territory overrun by foreign-backed militants, including along Syria’s borders
with Lebanon and Jordan. Today, cities long lost to these militants once again have
the Syrian flag waving above them, their people liberated, and the deadly toll of
occupation finally being tallied before the global public.

The strategic turn in Syria’s favor was noted by geopolitical analysts long before the
Damascus chemical weapons attack in the summer of 2013. When Western nations
used “desperation” as a motive for the attack, which they squarely blamed on the
Syrian government, those watching Syria’s systematic victories against the West’s
proxy militants immediately suspected a false flag attack – one that was carried out
by either the West, or one of its regional collaborators.’

Read more: US-NATO is Losing Covert War on Syria

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-nato-is-losing-covert-war-on-syria/5374468

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Bill Ryan]

I do agree with several other comments, btw, that Putin and his advisers are (a) very well-informed and (b) pretty smart. (And I do not think that Putin is on board with the NWO game. He's a chess-master, and is playing his own game with his own agenda. He is no globalist pawn.)

[...]
For him not to be a pawn, would imply that he has some pretty good protection from "someone" that opposes the "One World Government", so this is why I am curious why do you say he is no globalist pawn? Who or what do you think is behind him in this case?

Hi, Ilie! :)

Here's a very brief summary in an attempt to answer your excellent question.

Based on readily available data, Putin's intervention in



Georgia (South Ossetia) in Aug 2008,
Syria (basically via his highly influential Sept 2013 opinion piece (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html) in the New York Times), and
now Crimea, after provocation from what looks VERY much like a western-inspired right-wing takeover of Ukraine


... all indicates to me that this is NOT orchestrated, but that Putin is a real thorn in the side of globalist plans.

Furthermore, if Joel Skousen's hypothesis (http://projectavalon.net/8_minute_Joel_Skousen_WW_III_Scenario_Summary_28_Feb_2014.mp3) is to be taken seriously (that the plan is, within the next 6-10 years, to provoke Russia into a nuclear first strike against the US in order to complete the NWO takeover of the planet), if Putin was just part of a choreographed Punch-and-Judy show, why wait another half dozen years when the world is waking up at a daily-increasing rate? They'd trigger the war tomorrow, via some flare-up in Syria, Crimea or elsewhere.

This, too, implies that Putin is not under control, and that the plan is somehow to trick or provoke him.

Something still does not add up...

At Avalon we have known for some time that Free Energy devices have been invented since Tesla (and rediscovered every since) and then tightly suppressed. If Putin was a "good guy", he would just have to provide a safe heaven for the development of Free Energy technology.

I'd say it depends on what you mean by a "good guy". Putin may not be THAT kind of good guy! But he may nevertheless be firmly opposed to, nor not in agreement or alignment with, the NWO agenda -- simply being a fervent and committed Russian patriot. There are many waypoints along the broad spectrum between evil-and-psychopathic, and benevolent-and-altruistic.

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Ilie Pandia: " Or could be that Putin does not yet believe he is strong enough to play the "Free Energy" card. "

Hi Ilie, No, I believe you are right in your first Paragraph, this game is called ' Between the Cobra and the Dragon', for some reason we continue to keep our gaze on the ball instead of inventing our own game, but of course it is necessary to be involved in their game as it has a big impact on all of us, and you must wait for all the others (consciousness wise) so that we can begin to move the balance and most of the weight back to us and what we want this place to be

[Ilie Pandia]

Something still does not add up...

At Avalon we have known for some time that Free Energy devices have been invented since Tesla (and rediscovered every since) and then tightly suppressed. If Putin was a "good guy", he would just have to provide a safe heaven for the development of Free Energy technology.

I'd say it depends on what you mean by a "good guy". Putin may not be THAT kind of good guy! But he may nevertheless be firmly opposed to, nor not in agreement or alignment with, the NWO agenda -- simply being a fervent and committed Russian patriot. There are many waypoints along the broad spectrum between evil-and-psychopathic, and benevolent-and-altruistic.

It seems that way... but I think we can agree that the "official talks" are very strange, like there is a kind of silent agreement that nobody will threaten with (or even mention!) any kind of exotic tech (being it free energy or ET technology). That I find highly suspicious. But this probably goes on behind the scenes...

I did read your previous post about the Russians being way ahead of the Americans in "psychic research". I'll have to assume that Putin is well aware of that. They all rattle their "nuclear suit cases", but (in my opinion) they all know that there is a different tech (that was never publicly acknowledge) that they should be really afraid of. And they play the game: I won't be the first to tell if you don't tell either! We don't want a planet wise humanity asking questions all of the sudden about this "new thing" that could have saved countless lives and rendered poverty obsolete a hundred years ago.

PS: I should have payed more attention in the Russian language class... I'd love to read their point of view from their "alternative forums" and their "rumors of exotic tech".

[Cidersomerset]

At Avalon we have known for some time that Free Energy devices have been invented
since Tesla (and rediscovered every since) and then tightly suppressed. If Putin was a "good guy",
he would just have to provide a safe heaven for the development of Free Energy technology.
That will make Russia instantly insanely rich, since all moves around energy (money being just
symbols on worthless paper). They would not need any oil and cause no pollution and would
have all the energy required to stop any attacks coming from the US side.

Where as I agree with what you say Ile, you reminded me of Grand Designs
a programme about people building their own bespoke ideal homes and on weds & it
was repeated yesterday a family built a zero carbon home , infact they were being
payed money by the energy company for being a energy producer.
The house was £ 500,000 and a lot of sweat but the principle was the fact
it could be done, and if took on by developers could be done a lot cheaper.


Obviously that will not power transport or industry but would save a lot
on energy bill.

http://www.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.cam.ac.uk/files/styles/content-580x288/public/news/research/news/tile-vaulting-credit-michael-ramage.jpg?itok=zjEK25rL

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Kent County Council video: https://twitter.com/KCCvideo
The Crossway Eco Home, situated near Staplehurst, featured
on Channel 4's Grand Designs and one of the UK's first "zero-carbon" homes.
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A consultancy project with grand designs is informing the structure of energy-
efficient homes of the future. Over 600 years ago Spanish builders knew how to
design a house that would retain the natural heat of the winter sun and be cool in
the summer. The techniques they built with, called tile vaulting, are being revived
by Michael Ramage of the University’s Department of Architecture in a state-of the-
art building that could be a prototype for cheaper energy-efficient homes. - See
more at: http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/zero-carbon-
houses#sthash.CHaeDRB5.dpuf


http://www.channel4.com/programmes/grand-designs/

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It must be 30/40 years ago when solar panels were first being talked about, I
thought why not develop a solar tile , actually I did a thread about this a couple
years ago. So that every new house should have them and all properties
be converted over a set period as and when tile technology became suitable to
the various types of building. I presumed the Power industries would lobby
government against, and it takes a lot for a developer to change an existing
market without incentive or legislation.

http://ecofriend.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/integrated_solar_power_tile_pkyda.jpg

I think there is a government scheme, but its not very well advertised
or explained, and other countries have already developed these ideas
but not on the levels to make a difference yet.


Well after that Echo break back to TNWO...LOL

[Gardener]

Illie---->It seems that way... but I think we can agree that the "official talks" are very strange, like there is a kind of silent agreement that nobody will threaten with (or even mention!) any kind of exotic tech (being it free energy or ET technology). That I find highly suspicious. But this probably goes on behind the scenes...

This rings true to me Illie, Mexican standoff indeed but with everyone globally, an agreement to maintain status quo (fossil energy). The first country to raise its head above the parapet with exotic tech (field energy) is in big trouble from the others. This is where imho the recent missing plane and the ukraine crisis may be linked.
But I do get a sense that Putin is very level headed, as Arragorn mentioned he does not have the arrogant self importance of many leaders, and doesn't seem to enter into manipulations. I may be wrong but I do mainly respect his judgement. (at least more than some I could mention who just want to bring on armageddon)

[Agape]

The truth is always very subtle .. the danger always is in people falling for the 'gross' , most obvious, whether it's goods or emotions .

There are more than 140 countries in the UN to this day .. 195 it seems to me : http://www.un.org/en/members/

displayed as 'equal members' respecting one chart .. in reality ,

and in practise .. the ways how each of these countries are ruled and maintained differ a lot , and there's no 'perfect democracy' model that we'd be aware of to this day ,

so all we can really do here is very , very 'relativistic science' of comparing one obsolete , outdated regime against all others, obsolete, outdated, corrupted regimes .

Notice most of the countries claim 'sovereignty' , ability to maintain some kind of decent government offices and infrastructures and moreover , they all again, agreed to respect international law , the human rights charter and so forth .

All of their 'leaders' are good looking men in appropriate suits or other 'covers' , no matter what they wear , they're all well off ,
and trying to present their country as functioning pro-democratic regime , the use of the term democracy by me simply means,
they all try to show off .. and pretend that all they do is 'for people' , peoples wish , peoples choice .

To see into the depth of either of these nations and how are they run, on what level of human standards, what is the level of corruption, gross national happiness , unless you live there .. is extremely difficult to do 'from outside' .

All we know is that are countless subtle and gross differences ... and not all of the tight and tidied looking regimes are honouring freedoms of their citizens at the first place .

There seems to be a common agreement on the PA that the US is not the best example of how the world or any country should be run,
but could you point any 'good example' at all ?

We are standing on very fragile, very relativistic grounds if we continue to debate the situation 'in total' ,

and super-imposing one 'new theory' in place of older, failing theories about 'who is pulling the strings ' and 'what shall happen' won't help a lot.


If I have to say anything to this at all ... my perception of 'danger' from all unnamed sides has to do with human vulnerability, ignorance and nationalism , to be mentioned here openly ,
and underlined .

All countries and their respective governments do mistakes and it's inevitable , in current state of human evolution that they do them ..

however .. the biggest mistake of all as I see it are BLINDFOLDS on their eyes .


Being blind to voices and faces of their own people and putting nice media faces for 'all the world ' to see , is what they all do . How can anyone trust that country where people are incarcerated for free speech, free opinions are to lead this world forwards, simply because they act with charmingly brute force .

Whether it's North Korea, China or Russia and it's many former republics , or whether it's Israel or Iran , or Egypt , or Republic of Tonga ..forgive me,

these people were left in darkness , under very oppressive and undemocratic leaders for centuries , it shaped their mentality differently .. and now, right now .. they started to look out from their windows and realise they're citizens of a Planet and potentially, I say potentially , free people ..

Calling these hurt souls ( yes humanity IS hurt on massive scale ) your best allies against the NWO .. is not the best tactics in my humble opinion. No matter what, you have to let them evolve ..

their own pace .

The 'New World' has to emerge from any "Old World'' as it always did . It can't be forced .. neither it can be prevented .

The powers that play their games now .. on their chairs .. their computers.. thinking how important they're to this world .. are no one, none better than you are,
just another human beings.

The society who created their thrones is the same society that will throw them over . There's nothing in this game of Thrones that would be truly important to the world ..


The people up there .. are stuck. They're obsolete , outdated and they know it , they 've been promoted to their 'IQ' levels by their ascent , not vice versa . They see their own fall in front of their own eyes .. and think it's the fall of humanity . It is not .



Peace .. to all Beings :angel:

[chocolate]

Yes, I figured the Crimson Tide one, but wasn't feeling the vibe for it, here. Hence the article, as more educational and appropriate for the current state of events (back then).
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Please, do watch also Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy ( just as a supplementation to Agape's post )
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1340800/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)
http://www.creativereview.co.uk/images/uploads/2011/09/_ttss_a2.v2_fa_low.res4_0.jpg
Not only visually beautiful! very beautiful!, but also, quite educational in the subtle area of military espionage and all the games being played ( some chess being played...and a third world war mentioned inside, too). :p

If anyone is interested, one way to go is here:
http://putlocker.bz/watch-tinker-tailor-soldier-spy-online-free-putlocker.html

But there was a film I had watched some time ago about a soldier who managed to radio transmit to the Russian not to press the button at the final stage of the game. I still haven't figured out what the name of that one was. I am not sure if it was Crimson Tide. It was quite moving, and it was also my first association, when the thread had just stared.

~~~

I sense the energies settling down here?... which is a good thing, I think.

Unless I derailed the thread too much...
< and off she went ... >

But before that, edited to add:
The area of architecture and building design is as vast as the area of politics and war games, and I guess we might keep it for another thread.

We have a saying here, as far as 'free' is concerned, and that is that
'there is no free lunch'.
It is all a balance between this and that.

The mystery film could have been The Sum of All Fears (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0164184/)

When the president of Russia suddenly dies, a man whose politics are virtually unknown succeeds him. The change in political leaders sparks paranoia among American CIA officials, so CIA director Bill Cabot recruits a young analyst to supply insight and advice on the situation. Then the unthinkable happens: a nuclear bomb explodes in a U.S. city, and America is quick to blame the Russians.

[Bill Ryan]

"rumors of exotic tech"

Well, here's a 2011 interview where famously outspoken Russian Politician Vladimir Zhirinovsky loses his cool in an interview and starts to [apparently] spill the beans about Russian exotic weaponry:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZD_zLmhqas

His wild rant in this three minute interview starts at 2:11. It'd be laughable -- except that he does seem to mention specifics, and also does NOT appear to be fully in control. His words:





Russia with lots of money, resources, and new weapons, that no one knows about yet. With them WE WILL DESTROY any part of the planet within 15 minutes. Not an explosion, not a ray burst, not some kind of a laser, not lightning, no, but a quiet and peaceful weapon. Whole continents will be put to sleep forever. And that’s all. :focus:

[Cidersomerset]

His wild rant in this three minute interview starts at 2:11. It'd be laughable --
except that he does seem to mention specifics, and also does NOT appear to be
fully in control. His words:


Hell that is one scary 'Spetsnaz'...!!

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I don't know if this is genuine but it makes sense for Russia to have a military
space programme. Then you get into the speculation if there is a secret space
programme Russia would be involved. So although I don't think he was referring
to that he may be referring to something like John Lear and Dr Judy Wood refers
to some sort of particle beam weapon ?


http://en.ria.ru/images/16079/29/160792988.jpg

http://en.ria.ru/infographics/20101004/160793032.html

[ThePythonicCow]

Looks like Putin's being attacked on more than one front,

Same tactics used to cause collapse of Asian economies in 1990s now being employed against anti-NWO nations
The S.E.C. (U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission) seems to be trying to scare off investment firms from holding Russian securities: SEC contacted investment companies with Russian exposure - sources (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/19/us-usa-sec-russia-funds-idUSBREA2I29X20140319):

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(Reuters) U.S. securities regulators contacted public funds with investments in Russia to make sure they are properly managing risks and disclosing their holdings to investors as political tensions rose over Crimea, according to several people familiar with the matter.

Attorneys with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission started to place calls to registered investment companies such as mutual funds and exchange-traded funds more than a week ago, the sources said.

The calls are a routine part of how the SEC monitors asset managers through its Division of Investment Management, and are not related to any investigation.

But they come during a period of turbulence for Russian stocks, which have been volatile since March 3 when mounting tensions with Ukraine over the Crimean Peninsula sent Russia's benchmark stock index tumbling 12 percent.~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Cidersomerset]

This may explain why Putin does not feel 'UNDER SIEGE' !!

Sorry I'm in a playful mood..LOL I've been on here all day that's my excuse..LOL


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Steven Seagal 'To Be The Face Of Russia's Weapons Industry'

Huffington Post UK | By Sara C Nelson
Posted: 04/06/2013 14:23 BST | Updated: 04/06/2013 16:11 BST


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Steven Seagal at a news conference at the US embassy in Moscow on June 2


Steven Seagal is being considered as the face of Russia’s weapons industry, it has
been reported. Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said the action film star could
head up an international marketing campaign to promote the Degtarev arms plant.

He told the Associated Press: “You’re ready to fight American (manufacturers) with
your teeth and your intellect, and if Americans are prepared to promote and
support you, that says we’re learning new ways to work on corporate warfare
markets.”

It comes after it was revealed the Under Siege actor has been brokering meetings
about security between senior Russian and American politicians. A delegation from
the US Congress recently thanked Seagal for opening doors to leading Russian
officials, The Times reported.

steven seagal


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Russian President Vladimir Putin, left, and Seagal visit a new sports arena in March
in Moscow, RussiaThe group, headed by Republican Dana Rohrabacher, was in
Russia to investigate the intelligence background to the Boston bombings.

“Steven knows my interest in thwarting radical Islamic terrorism,” Rohrabacher said.

SEE ALSO: Vladimir Putin Enlists Boyz II Men To Raise Russia's Birth Rate

In February Seagal was enlisted to host a training session in Arizona on how to
handle school shootings. Seagal gave weapons and martial arts training to 48
volunteers, showing them how to guard rooms and conduct room-to-room searches
in the wake of the Sandy Hook school shootings.


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/04/steven-seagal-face-russias-weapons-industry_n_3383207.html

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Steven Seagal: Some should do homework before covering Ukraine

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Published on 9 Mar 2014


Actor and activist Steven Seagal was recently part of an American delegation to
Russia in the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombing. Now he is critical of the
stance the US is taking regarding Russia and the crisis in Ukraine. RT's Meghan
Lopez talks to the martial artist about his thoughts on how the US and the Western
media are handling the tense international situation.

[ThePythonicCow]

First, Putin was president of Russia in 2001. As previously mentioned, he must have been aware that the September 11 attacks were a false flag. If he truly wanted to disrupt the plans for a NWO all he had to do was come forward with the intel he had at that time. It would not have been possible for the US government to block an immediate investigation into the charges, there wouldn’t have been time to destroy evidence and disappear credible witnesses.
My initial response to 9/11 was like that of many Americans at the time, especially more conservative or Republican Americans -- revenge -- kill Muslims. Very few Americans recognized the depth of the lie of 9/11 at that time, and those few were easily marginalized, isolated and kept out of view of even the alternative media (which was quite smaller than now) for a few years following 9/11.

I cannot imagine that there is anything whatsoever that Putin could have said or shown at that time disputing the official 9/11 story that I would have given the slightest credence to, even given that I knew who headed Russia, or that I heard through the news outlets I watched at that time that the President of Russia said it.

So ... yes ... I'm sure Putin knew on the day of 9/11, if not before, that 9/11 was a major false flag event. But I don't see how he could have used that knowledge to pressure the U.S. government at that time. Even now, he must avoid publicly saying all he knows about the depth of the lies in the official 9/11 story, in order to avoid discrediting himself with the American people.

[Agape]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZD_zLmhqas



It's comical to watch this ;) These people should have remained where they came from, working on fields, drinking their beer and better watch no TV. They're capable of tragical decisions ..


Run................................

[Frank V]

First, Putin was president of Russia in 2001. As previously mentioned, he must have been aware that the September 11 attacks were a false flag. If he truly wanted to disrupt the plans for a NWO all he had to do was come forward with the intel he had at that time. It would not have been possible for the US government to block an immediate investigation into the charges, there wouldn’t have been time to destroy evidence and disappear credible witnesses.
My initial response to 9/11 was like that of many Americans at the time, especially more conservative or Republican Americans -- revenge -- kill Muslims. Very few Americans recognized the depth of the lie of 9/11 at that time, and those few were easy marginalized, isolated and kept out of view of even the alternative media (which was quite smaller than now) for a few years following 9/11.

I cannot imagine that there is anything whatsoever that Putin could have said or shown at that time disputing the official 9/11 story that I would have given the slightest credence to, even given that I knew who headed Russia, or that I heard through the news outlets I watched at that time that the President of Russia said it.

So ... yes ... I'm sure Putin knew on 9/11, if not before, that 9/11 was a major false flag event. But I don't see how he could have used that knowledge to pressure the U.S. government at that time. Even now, he must avoid publicly saying all he knows about the depth of the lies in the official 9/11 story, in order to avoid discrediting himself with the American people.

According to the book on "9/11" that I spoke of higher up and which can be downloaded here (http://projectcamelotportal.com/blog/1798-dimitri-khalezov-book-on-9-11-just-released) - with thanks to Jake for digging up the download page at the Project Camelot website - the "9/11" attacks actually had the United States government and military in a state of nuclear alert, and it was suspected that Russia could have been behind it due to the missile (which was headed for the Pentagon) being picked up on radar (and initially thought to be a jet fighter due to its constant supersonic speed), so USAF fighters were sent out over the ocean to intercept any more missiles or possibly jets that might have come from Russia.

Also, the author of the book states - whether he is correct in that or not - that this missile was stolen out of the wreck of the Kursk, the Russian submarine that had sunk earlier. When the Kursk was sunk, the Russian authorities had officially announced that it did not carry any nuclear missiles whatsoever, but the author of the book provides credible evidence that the submarine was indeed carrying nuclear missiles (and not dummy training missiles, as claimed by the Russian government), and that these missiles were all found to be missing from the wreck upon salvaging.

By consequence, having declared that the Kursk was not carrying any nuclear missiles at all, Putin and his administration would have had a stake in keeping up appearances on account of "9/11", given that one of the Kursk's missiles had been used in the "9/11" attack - and yes, it was loaded with a thermonuclear warhead, but the warhead did not explode and was immediately removed from the impact site by the FBI.

Now, I don't remember whether I've read it in this book or whether I've read it elsewhere, but the missile that hit the Pentagon was allegedly fired from another submarine, belonging to the Israeli Navy and acquired from Germany. The book also states that the mastermind behind "9/11" was a Pakistani arms dealer and mercenary - not a Muslim but rather a Freemason. The author mentions him by name, and claims that this man told him in person that he was behind "9/11".

[ThePythonicCow]

According to the book on "9/11" that I spoke of higher up and which can be downloaded here (http://projectcamelotportal.com/blog/1798-dimitri-khalezov-book-on-9-11-just-released) - with thanks to Jake for digging up the download page at the Project Camelot website - the "9/11" attacks actually had the United States government and military in a state of nuclear alert, and it was suspected that Russia could have been behind it due to the missile (which was headed for the Pentagon) being picked up on radar (and initially thought to be a jet fighter due to its constant supersonic speed), so USAF fighters were sent out over the ocean to intercept any more missiles or possibly jets that might have come from Russia.
I could discuss 9/11 all night (well, actually, I've been discussing it for nearly a decade so far :).)

My apologies for seeding a potential derailment of this good thread on that deep topic.

[Cidersomerset]

Brief responses from the UN & EEC


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UN: 'Serious concern at Ukraine situation'7 hours ago

The UN secretary general said he was "very seriously concerned" at the tense
situation in Ukraine.Speaking at a news conference with Ukraine's interim president
Olexander Turchynov, Ban Ki-moon said diplomacy was the only way forward.

He welcomed a move by Ukraine to adopt Russian as another language in Ukraine,
but was told by Mr Turchynov that he had misunderstood and that would not happen.



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'Russia is more isolated', says EC chief Jose Manuel Barroso1 hour ago

President Vladimir Putin has signed a law formalising Russia's takeover of Crimea
from Ukraine, despite fresh sanctions from the EU and the US.

The European Union's latest measures target 12 people involved in Russia's
annexation of the peninsula.

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said ''nobody'' recognised the
annexation of Crimea, which made Russia ''more isolated than before''.

When Matthew Price challenged him about whether the interim Ukrainian prime
minister was democratically elected, he said "there are democratic revolutions".

He added that Ukraine's current government was more legitimate than a
government that was "shooting its own people".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26692597

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[Hawkwind]

I cannot imagine that there is anything whatsoever that Putin could have said or shown at that time disputing the official 9/11 story that I would have given the slightest credence to, even given that I knew who headed Russia, or that I heard through the news outlets I watched at that time that the President of Russia said it.

So ... yes ... I'm sure Putin knew on the day of 9/11, if not before, that 9/11 was a major false flag event. But I don't see how he could have used that knowledge to pressure the U.S. government at that time. Even now, he must avoid publicly saying all he knows about the depth of the lies in the official 9/11 story, in order to avoid discrediting himself with the American people.

Sigh, point taken and you're probably right. Most of my family still considers me a nutcase (sometimes I have doubts myself).

[sheme]

http://www.informationdissemination.net/2014/03/watching-russians-off-floridas-coast.html

Interesting site

[SilentFeathers]

Putin had to see what was coming to the Ukraine many months ago, if not longer, perhaps he actually did not see how easy the west could pull a coup there. Either way it seems to me that a deal was made that Russia could get Crimea out of the deal to make up for the double-cross so to speak.

There's an obvious rift either way that I see with the West and Russia. To think Putin/Russia is in bed and aligned with the West is a mistake and not wise IMO. Sure they make back door deals with each other, but I doubt very much they secretly hug and kiss each other. This is big business at the highest levels, situations like this HAVE caused huge wars and World Wars in the past.

There is a shift happening in my opinion and it's getting more vivid and verbal...and volatile. Alliances are shifting and being re-established with old friends AND enemies alike. Nations are picking sides and making huge adjustments. Certain players are being eliminated or knocked in to chaotic situations to render them useless. Some are getting stripped of everything while others are getting armed to the teeth......

Oh, by the way. is the missile shield Russia's been bitching about for years now being built?

Sooner or later it won't be all about money and oil, eventually it'll be also about identity and survival at the basic levels, that day is quickly approaching IMO. It's already arrived in Afghanistan, Egypt, Iraq, Libya, and Syria to some extent, and several other countries.......these countries couldn't rally the support for protection, but yet were conquered and basically destroyed in the name of freedom with a promise of protection. Putin tossed a wrench in Syria's downfall, but watch, it is yet to fall....we'll likely see that happen this year or the next. (after the mid term elections).

[chocolate]

If you are okay with posting something a bit inappropriate (as a picture at least)
http://www.capital.bg/shimg/zx620_2266000.jpg
http://www.capital.bg/politika_i_ikonomika/sviat/2014/03/21/2265977_hladnata_voina/

Translation of the title:
COLD WAR
With his forceful taking back of Crimea Vladimir Putin announces his plans for a new world order... don't get scared now.

This newspaper is one of the most reliable in the country.
I will read it through and write down a summary here.
But before that - I had an idea forming in my mind -
the way Russia dealt with Crimea was a sign of ambition, one that states, dare you not threaten me, for I have power.

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The article, if anyone is in a hurry to google-translate it -->

Светкавичното и безцеремонно заграбване на автономната украинска република е шок в международната система, който не е задължително да доведе до трета световна или дори до втора студена война. Въпреки че ако слушате как американският сенатор Джон Макейн определя Русия като "бензиностанция, маскирана като държава", а любимият на Кремъл тв пропагандатор Дмитрий Кисельов задочно му отговаря, че Москва е готова да превърне в САЩ "в купчина радиоактивна пепел", може да си помислите, че сме се върнали обратно в ерата преди "разведряването" и дори преди "края на историята", обявен след разпада на СССР.

С фактическото преначертаване на картата на Европа руският президент стъпка досегашния международен ред и показа как според него трябва да изглежда новият. Въпреки това ЕС и САЩ в единия ъгъл и Русия в другия вероятно няма да се окажат вкопчени в ново тотално и студено противопоставяне. Със сигурност обаче предстои период на хладно съперничество. В него ще трябва да се позиционира и България. И ако приемем, че въпреки изригналото нелепо и кресливо русофилство принадлежността й към едната страна е решена още преди години с влизането в ЕС и НАТО, остава да се подготви за ефектите, които кримската криза ще има върху пълната гама отношения с Русия - от енергетиката и бизнеса до дипломацията и политиката за сигурност.

В машина на времето

"В сърцата и умовете на хората Крим винаги е бил неделима част от Русия." С този аргумент, произнесен под оглушителните овации на станалите на крака депутати от двете камари на руския парламент, Путин оправда това, което целият цивилизован свят смята за грубо нарушаване на основополагащи международни принципи и норми (като например неприкосновеност на границите). В същата стилистика, извикваща спомени за архивни кадри от времето на СССР, бе и появяването му малко по-късно пред ликуващия Червен площад, където президентът обяви, че този ден е празник, тъй като "след тежко, продължително, уморително плаване Крим и Севастопол се връщат в родния залив, към родните брегове, в пристанището с постоянна регистрация - в Русия!".

Всъщност не беше нужно Путин да осъществява първото присъединяване на територия към Русия след разпада на Съветския съюз по този начин - само два дни след фарсов референдум, проведен в окупация и с признат само от Кремъл резултат (за протокола - 97% гласували за хвърляне в прегръдките на Москва). Така или иначе още след руската инвазия под прикритие беше ясно, че Крим е изгубен за Украйна. Но вместо да изчака или да го задържи като замразен конфликт, както всички предполагаха, Путин избра показно анексиране, с което да не остави никакви съмнения колко му е все едно какво мислят Брюксел и Вашингтон. "Шокът сега е, че ядрена сила и член на Съвета за сигурност на ООН, която би трябвало да е пазител на световния ред, го погазва", казва пред "Капитал" Мария Снеговая, политолог в Columbia University и колумнист на американското списание The New Republic. И нищо не предполага, че ще спре дотук.

Кой е следващият

"Мисля, че речта му в Кремъл беше честна. Той е руски националист и империалист с огромно усещане за несправедливост", коментира пред "Капитал" Ник Уитни от Европейския съвет по външна политика (ЕСВП). И когато недоволството, че страната му години наред е била "не просто ограбвана, а плячкосвана" (по израза на самия Путин), се комбинира с незачитане на всякакви правила, последствията могат да бъдат плашещи. Какво пречи на Кремъл, след като вече изрази загриженост за рускоезичното малцинство в Естония, да се опита по подобна схема да създаде напрежение и там? Или в Киргизстан, Армения, Молдова и още дузина страни?

Според д-р Йорг Форбрих, анализатор от German Marshall Fund, е много вероятно Путин да продължи със стратегията си за интервенция в Украйна и срещу други държави по ред причини. "Първо, Москва дълго време притискаше свои по-малки съседи политически, икономически, а в Грузия и Украйна и с военни средства, и срещна малка съпротива от международната общност. Второ, режимът на Путин се чувства застрашен от съседи, които тръгват по пътя на демократичните реформи и европейската интеграция, защото това противоречи на неговата автократична евразийска визия. Той ще направи всичко възможно да спре не само Украйна, но и Грузия и Молдова да продължат независимото си развитие. И трето, с анексирането на Крим Кремъл задвижи динамика, която може да му е трудно да контролира. Той изостри апетита на руските националисти за още, подбуди към действия сепаратистите в Източна Украйна и повиши очакванията на проруските марионетки в Приднестровието", казва Форбрих пред "Капитал". И ако сега Путин не оправдае тези надежди, ще изгуби авторитет.

Нищо чудно, че Молдова побърза да поиска помощ от Румъния за по-бързо асоцииране с ЕС с надеждата това да я предпази от повторение на украинския сценарий. "Молдова е опасна точка. Приднестровието е в дневния ред на руското правителство и самият факт, че го обсъждат, е достатъчно притеснителен", казва пред "Капитал" Кадри Лийк от лондонския офис на ЕСВП.

Засега действията на Москва са непредвидими, но започналите намеци за руските малцинства в околните страни или бравурните песни "им мы перекроем газ" са явна демонстрация, къде Русия може да отвърне на удара.

Светът според Путин

Всъщност последните действия подреждат пъзела и дават отговор на въпроса какво точно иска властелинът на Кремъл. "Путин се опитва да възкреси и легитимира отново доктрината, че великите сили имат право на свои сфери на влияние. Той казва, че не е против НАТО, но не иска то да се приближава до границите на Русия. Това означава, че претендира за правото да има определени зони, които да са под изричен руски контрол", смята Кадри Лийк. Което обяснява офанзивата му срещу Украйна, шокирала Европа и САЩ. Както написа в текст за Gazeta.ru главният редактор на сп. "Россия в глобальной политике" Фьодор Лукянов, на Запад така и не разбраха, че за Москва "украинският въпрос е не просто червена линия, а двойна непресечена".

"Крайната цел на Путин е въвеждане на глобална система, в която големите регионални хегемони като Русия са оставени на спокойствие да се разпореждат със съседните си държави", казва пред "Капитал" Родерик Паркс, координатор на програмата за ЕС на Полския институт за международни отношения. Според него руският президент иска да пречупи влиянието и меката сила на ЕС, като го представя за вътрешно разделен и слаб и затова намесващ се в делата на останалите. "Той критикува евросодомията и представя Европа като банда хомосексуалисти. Това изглежда налудничаво отвън, но се приема добре в Русия. И другото, което иска да направи, е да блокира регионалната експанзия на ЕС, да създаде около него пояс от нестабилни държави и така да спре разширяването му", коментира Паркс.

Основното правило е, че Русия няма да приеме по-нататъшна източна експанзия на ЕС и НАТО. "Онези съседи, които не се подчинят на това, рискуват да бъде застрашено самото им съществуване. Сега големият въпрос и страхът сред някои държави е дали Кремъл ще се опита да върне назад разширяването на двете институции. Дали ще притисне например прибалтийските страни", пита реторично Йорг Форбрих.

Реваншизъм и наказание

По всичко изглежда, че Русия ще продължи да пречи на нормализацията на Украйна и нейното обръщане на Запад. И в случай че не успее да постигне това с икономически и политически саботаж, военното нахлуване не може да бъде изключено. "Ако Русия вкара войски в Украйна, цената на това действие ще бъде много висока. И тук не става дума за санкции, а че ще бъде трудно продадено дори на руснаците", казва пред "Капитал" Мария Липман от московския офис на Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Но Путин може и да е готов да я плати. Според Липман най-вероятният сценарий, уви, е мрачен - засилване на конфронтацията, по-силна самоизолация на Русия и превръщането й в много по-авторитарна и репресивна държава.

Единственият начин, по който ЕС и САЩ могат да спрат Путин, ако не веднага, то поне в по-дългосрочен план, е ясно да му покажат, включително с ескалиране на санкциите, че подобни действия няма да останат ненаказани. Алтернативата е да приемат свят, в който не само Русия, но и други държави - например Китай - се чувстват свободни да си взимат каквото си поискат, без да се съобразяват с подробности като международно право, договори, граници. И времето ще се превърти с поне век назад.

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Basically the author outlines the possibility that what happened in the Ukraine can happen later on in Moldova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova).

[T Smith]

First, Putin was president of Russia in 2001. As previously mentioned, he must have been aware that the September 11 attacks were a false flag. If he truly wanted to disrupt the plans for a NWO all he had to do was come forward with the intel he had at that time. It would not have been possible for the US government to block an immediate investigation into the charges, there wouldn’t have been time to destroy evidence and disappear credible witnesses.
My initial response to 9/11 was like that of many Americans at the time, especially more conservative or Republican Americans -- revenge -- kill Muslims. Very few Americans recognized the depth of the lie of 9/11 at that time, and those few were easily marginalized, isolated and kept out of view of even the alternative media (which was quite smaller than now) for a few years following 9/11.

I cannot imagine that there is anything whatsoever that Putin could have said or shown at that time disputing the official 9/11 story that I would have given the slightest credence to, even given that I knew who headed Russia, or that I heard through the news outlets I watched at that time that the President of Russia said it.

So ... yes ... I'm sure Putin knew on the day of 9/11, if not before, that 9/11 was a major false flag event. But I don't see how he could have used that knowledge to pressure the U.S. government at that time. Even now, he must avoid publicly saying all he knows about the depth of the lies in the official 9/11 story, in order to avoid discrediting himself with the American people.

I would just add to your comments to Hawkwind that it's not as black and white as simply disclosing or blowing the whistle on 9/11. 9/11 is a colossal psyops. The most important position on the chess board to control is the center of the board -- and in a game of geopolitical/exopolitical chess, that is equivalent of controlling and manipulating the public perception. You take control of that and develop a strategy around it. An attack on the center of the board would be suicide and/or impossible if your opponent has a stronghold on it; even if Putin wanted to stop the NWO in it's tracks, say by blowing the whistle on 9/11, any move to do so via the channel of an overt appeal to public opinion would do just the opposite. 9/11 was, and still is--(to a lesser extent now)-- a third rail to any move to challenge the center of the board.

I know this is just another way of saying the same thing you are saying, but this same concept also applies to a comment earlier about Russia providing an haven for the development of Free Energy within its boarders if Putin wanted to oppose the NWO agenda. Again, even if he wanted to pursue this strategy, as a rouge agent, that would be equivalent to attacking your opponents Queen, protected by every other piece on the board, with a couple pawns and knight.

The bottom line? Putin is just a very smart player on the board, one who knows how easily he could be taken out and destroyed if he ever were to try such a rash and foolish play.

[Frank V]

According to the book on "9/11" that I spoke of higher up and which can be downloaded here (http://projectcamelotportal.com/blog/1798-dimitri-khalezov-book-on-9-11-just-released) - with thanks to Jake for digging up the download page at the Project Camelot website - the "9/11" attacks actually had the United States government and military in a state of nuclear alert, and it was suspected that Russia could have been behind it due to the missile (which was headed for the Pentagon) being picked up on radar (and initially thought to be a jet fighter due to its constant supersonic speed), so USAF fighters were sent out over the ocean to intercept any more missiles or possibly jets that might have come from Russia.
I could discuss 9/11 all night (well, actually, I've been discussing it for nearly a decade so far :).)

My apologies for seeding a potential derailment of this good thread on that deep topic.

You didn't. "9/11" is connected to this, and especially in light of Putin not revealing what he knows about certain technologies, et al. He's definitely no saint and he has quite a few skeletons in his closet as well, but that doesn't mean that he's willing to go to war with the US, as eager as Obama and his cronies in the EU seem to be.

There is a chess game being played out here, and sometimes in a chess game you have to sacrifice a piece, or maybe more than one, in order to lure your opponent into a trap. Of course, we are dealing with human lives here, and there is only so much that a given person would be willing to compromise on, but one person will compromise on more than another one. There is a lot at stake.

All I know is that Putin is no fool, and that he's not going to let Obama or anyone else bully him into their criminal and destructive plan. He knows the ropes, and while I may not exactly agree with all of his methods, he does know what he's doing, and I think he's the world's best hope for thwarting the cabal's plans right now, or at least on account of their plan to use him and Russia as an asset to their advantage in this particular game.

See? We're still on topic! :p

[chocolate]

Okay that is worth me falling to sleep a bit later on.

Original source: http://www.capital.bg/politika_i_ikonomika/sviat/2014/03/21/2265977_hladnata_voina/


COLD WAR
With his forceful taking back of Crimea Vladimir Putin announces his plans for a new world order
... don't get scared now.

[...]

The last 2 paragraphs state the following ( do get a bit scared now ):

The world according to Putin

With Putin's last actions, the pieces of the puzzle are starting to get their respectful places, and to give an answer as to what exactly does The Lord of Kremlin want.
"Putin is trying to legitimize, again, the idea that the great powers deserve their areas of influence. He states that he is not against NATO, but he prefers that NATO will not get any closer to the borders of Russia than it is right now. Which would only mean that he sees some areas of influence as exclusively Russian. This would explain his offensive actions against the Ukraine which shocked both the EU and the US not so long ago "says ..... (the name should be something like Caddry Leek, but I am not sure of the spelling of the name).

The west didn't quite manage to realize that for Moscow the Ukrainian problem isn't a red line (or a red tape), it is a double straight line ( referring here to the road surface markings, meaning do not cross to the other side at all costs).

"Putin's last goal is the establishment of a Global System, in which the big power players, as Russia is, are left alone to deal with whatever happens in their adjacent countries", according to Roderick Parkes(?). The Russian president is trying to break off the influence and the 'soft force' or probably the 'soft glove' with which, the EU is using in its dealings, trying also to establish the EU as weak, thus mingling in the affairs of others.
Two sentences I am not going to translate, for they sound really rude (not polite).
The other goal Putin is trying to accomplish is to block the regional expansion of the EU, to create around the EU borders an area of unstable countries in which way to stop the EU from expanding outwards. (makes a lot of sense, IMO)

The main rule of the game would be that Russia will not tolerate any further expansive action from the EU and NATO. And all neighboring countries which do not obey the rule are endangering their own existence. The grand question at this point, states Joerg Forbrig (?), and the fear, would be if there is any danger of Kremlin trying to take back some of the Baltic countries (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia).

Revernge and Punishment

In all likelihood Russia is going to continue to prevent the normalization of the situation in the Ukraine, and its turning towards the West. In case it fails to do that in way of using economic and political sabotage, a military invasion is not to be ruled out. If Russia gets to enter its troops in the Ukraine, will have to be prepared to pay a high price, one which Russia may be willing to pay. And I am not talking about some sanctions here, but I am taking about actions which will be difficult to explain, or to sell, to the rest of the Russian people, says Maria Lipman.
According to Lipman, the most likely scenario is rather grim - increased confrontation, a possible isolation for Russia, which in turn will make it much more repressive and authoritarian country.

The only feasible way in which the EU and the US can stop Putin, if not immediately, in the longer run, would be to show him, with an apparent escalation of their sanctions, that such offensive actions will not remain unpunished.
the alternative would be to accept a world in which not only Russia, but other countries, such as China, would feel free to stretch their hands and take whatever they decide to, without being afraid of any consequences as presented in the international law, contracts and borders of countries.

In this way we will witness a shift back in time with at least 100 years.

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a note for Bill --> since I am not sure if we want this to see the light of day, you may want to delete the post (if necessary). I am a bit tired to think straight right now.
I am not sure about the exact English spelling of some of the names cited above.

[Sophocles]

Here Putin talks about how centralization of power (in the world) is a bad thing (3.15).

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It reminds one of what Alexander Dugin -professor at the University at Moscow, and Putin's former adviser- says about the UN not being a trustworthy «guide» to world peace in the feature:

«I think, we should be focused on creating a new model for the multi-polar world, and about a new jurisdiction to govern international relations, which can only come into existence after the destruction of the unipolar world» -Dugin-

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Thanks

[Operator]

According to the book on "9/11" that I spoke of higher up and which can be downloaded here (http://projectcamelotportal.com/blog/1798-dimitri-khalezov-book-on-9-11-just-released) - with thanks to Jake for digging up the download page at the Project Camelot website - the "9/11" attacks actually had the United States government and military in a state of nuclear alert, and it was suspected that Russia could have been behind it due to the missile (which was headed for the Pentagon) being picked up on radar (and initially thought to be a jet fighter due to its constant supersonic speed), so USAF fighters were sent out over the ocean to intercept any more missiles or possibly jets that might have come from Russia.
I could discuss 9/11 all night (well, actually, I've been discussing it for nearly a decade so far :).)

My apologies for seeding a potential derailment of this good thread on that deep topic.

You didn't. "9/11" is connected to this, and especially in light of Putin not revealing what he knows about certain technologies, et al.

I think you're right about this. I have said it many times and it is the number one
item on my list puzzling me every day: international silence about 9/11

Perhaps Reagan was right ? Perhaps there is a common threat that keeps humankind
united ... and WE know zilch about it. We say we're ready for disclosure. But maybe
we're not because it isn't what we're expecting at all. Let alone the average Joe
who is not even expecting a tiny bit ... what do we actually know?

[Cidersomerset]

One thing for sure is we know Vladimir Putin was born in the former Soviet
Union in Lenningrad now renamed St Petersburg. So no worries about Birth
certificates.To a working class family and worked hard to get where he is today.
As long as this wiki page is not BS..LOL

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Vladimir_Putin_with_his_mother.jpg/220px-Vladimir_Putin_with_his_mother.jpg
Putin with his mother, Maria Ivanovna, in July 1958

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin

So the geopolitical world he grew up in looked like this, and me come to that and
many on here...

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=70290&d=1243710032

After the collapse of the Soviet union and the chaos that ensued Putin was one
of the politicians that stabilize the country and set it on the road to where it is
today, which is a large growing economy with plenty of social problems like
elsewhere but not the belligerent Bear of the communist era. However much
some may believe ......

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Map_of_Russian_districts%2C_2010-01-19.svg/800px-Map_of_Russian_districts%2C_2010-01-19.svg.png

On 13 May 2000, Putin introduced seven federal districts for administrative
purposes. On 19 January 2010, the new 8th North Caucasian Federal District
(shown here in purple) was split from Southern Federal District.

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Russian_economy_since_fall_of_Soviet_Union.PNG
Russian GDP since the end of the Soviet Union

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/RF_NG_pipestoEU.gif/467px-RF_NG_pipestoEU.gif
Under Putin, Russia strengthened its position as a key oil and gas supplier to much of Europe.

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This is the key area Russia does not want NATO forces all along her western borders
in the the Soviet days she had the buffer of the Warsaw pact countries, which have
gradually been joing NATO. This is seen as a threat especially to a traditionalist,
who sees Eastern Ukraine and Bello Russia as brothers, and a step to far for NATO
expansion,which is one of the causes of all this in their eyes...

http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/ukraine-percentage_of_population_russian.jpg

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NATO has been creeping Eastwards towards the Ukraine and Russia's important
Naval base in the Crimea, so if the Ukraine did join NATO it would be to close
for comfort and a dagger in the back from their viewpoint.

http://www.plaidavenger.com/images/uploads/nato_expansion_copy.png


I think if NATO stays out of the Ukraine and Bello Russia things will calm down.
The problem is west Ukraine does not trust Moscow and things are finely balanced
for the next chess move. Putin has the west in check, but not check mate yet imo.

[superconsciousness]

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From http://roguemoney.net/2014/03/21/v-on-the-sean-morton-david-show/

http://www.asean.org/news/asean-statement-communiques/item/regional-comprehensive-economic-partnership-rcep-joint-statement-the-first-meeting-of-trade-negotiating-committee

[jackovesk]

Brief responses from the UN & EEC


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UN: 'Serious concern at Ukraine situation'7 hours ago

The UN secretary general said he was "very seriously concerned" at the tense
situation in Ukraine.Speaking at a news conference with Ukraine's interim president
Olexander Turchynov, Ban Ki-moon said diplomacy was the only way forward.

He welcomed a move by Ukraine to adopt Russian as another language in Ukraine,
but was told by Mr Turchynov that he had misunderstood and that would not happen.



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'Russia is more isolated', says EC chief Jose Manuel Barroso1 hour ago

President Vladimir Putin has signed a law formalising Russia's takeover of Crimea
from Ukraine, despite fresh sanctions from the EU and the US.

The European Union's latest measures target 12 people involved in Russia's
annexation of the peninsula.

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said ''nobody'' recognised the
annexation of Crimea, which made Russia ''more isolated than before''.

When Matthew Price challenged him about whether the interim Ukrainian prime
minister was democratically elected, he said "there are democratic revolutions".

He added that Ukraine's current government was more legitimate than a
government that was "shooting its own people".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26692597

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I thought long and hard how to respond to these 2 (CRIMINAL CLOWNS) Ban Ki-moon & Jose Manuel Barroso...

So instead of rambling on, I'll let (UKIP's) Nigel Farage and Putin do the talking for me ...:yes4:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gm9q8uabTs

Putin's speech exposes the NWO


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH0eHekt84g

[blufire]

Raise your hand if you truly think it cost Russia 52 Billion for the Sochi
Winter Olympics.

Putin had other use of those billions. . . . Could have at least given the athletes a bit more artificial snow to compete upon.

[Flash]

I found this video. It is in my idea very interesting. It explain the history of Russia versus the west in the last 20 years, and it explains what Putin did and why he is liked in Russia.

Really Worth a listen, you will understand much better what is at stake with Europe and the Cabal oligarchy, and how Putin did somewhat got rid of them

You will also understand why the Cabal and the West have basically sworn to get him, and Russia.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCU4C6ajgBI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRSVNPQKDkM

[dancing bear]

Thanks Bill.

There maybe a significant link between your article and this message which shows a large UFO over the Crimea.
I know the information presented by David Boyle on 13th March is channeled which I have my doubts about but there does appear to be a UFO over the Ukraine which has been apparently shown on Russian TV and if the Russians have pulled as a result is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p2wdApyl3
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[sheme]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533846/Battle-stations-Navy-scrambles-destroyer-challenge-Russian-warship-British-coast-takes-24-hours-make-600-mile-journey-Portsmouth-base-Putin-testing-response-time.html.

Interesting times.

[Taurean]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533846/Battle-stations-Navy-scrambles-destroyer-challenge-Russian-warship-British-coast-takes-24-hours-make-600-mile-journey-Portsmouth-base-Putin-testing-response-time.html

Don't know whether to laugh or cry at this, it is so directed to the masses.

Maybe the Scots looking to build their Navy on a sale or return basis.

Or a misunderstood message from Abramovitch looking for a new striker !

[chocolate]

Petrodollar Alert: Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China
If it was the intent of the West to bring Russia and China together - one a natural resource (if "somewhat" corrupt) superpower and the other a fixed capital / labor output (if "somewhat" capital misallocating and credit bubbleicious) powerhouse - in the process marginalizing the dollar and encouraging Ruble and Renminbi bilateral trade, then things are surely "going according to plan."

For now there have been no major developments as a result of the shift in the geopolitical axis that has seen global US influence, away from the Group of 7 (most insolvent nations) of course, decline precipitously in the aftermath of the bungled Syrian intervention attempt and the bloodless Russian annexation of Crimea, but that will soon change. Because while the west is focused on day to day developments in Ukraine, and how to halt Russian expansion through appeasement (hardly a winning tactic as events in the 1930s demonstrated), Russia is once again thinking 3 steps ahead... and quite a few steps east.

While Europe is furiously scrambling to find alternative sources of energy should Gazprom pull the plug on natgas exports to Germany and Europe (the imminent surge in Ukraine gas prices by 40% is probably the best indication of what the outcome would be), Russia is preparing the announcement of the "Holy Grail" energy deal with none other than China, a move which would send geopolitical shockwaves around the world and bind the two nations in a commodity-backed axis. One which, as some especially on these pages, have suggested would lay the groundwork for a new joint, commodity-backed reserve currency that bypasses the dollar, something which Russia implied moments ago when its finance minister Siluanov said that Russia may refrain from foreign borrowing this year. Translated: bypass western purchases of Russian debt, funded by Chinese purchases of US Treasurys, and go straight to the source.

You can read the full article here (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-21/petrodollar-alert-isolated-west-putin-prepares-announce-holy-grail-gas-deal-china).

[Cidersomerset]

Some related stories on the Ukraine issue from Davids site & BBC update.....

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Israel Backs Fascist Putsch, Supports neo-Nazi anti-Semitic Forces in Ukraine

Saturday 22nd March 2014 at 09:54 By David Icke

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/12/22/benyamin.jpg


‘The government of Israeli prime minister Benyamin Netanyahu is backing the
fascist-led putsch that ousted Ukraine’s elected pro-Russian president, Viktor
Yanukovych. Far from opposing anti-Semitism and defending Ukrainian Jews from
the neo-Nazi parties that have joined the new coalition government, Israel is doing
its best to deny that any such threat exists.

Israeli foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman issued an anodyne statement last week
saying: “Israel is following the events in Ukraine with grave concern, worries for the
safety of the Ukrainian people and hopes that the situation does not deteriorate and
that no human lives are lost.” This came just two days after Netanyahu’s visit to
Washington and, reportedly, after pressure from the US State Department for a
public display of support for the new government in Kiev.

Both the government and media in Israel have responded by refraining from
commenting on the growth of neo-Nazi and anti-Semitic forces in Ukraine and the
critical role they played in the Western-backed coup. They have downplayed or
ignored entirely the fact that the US and the European powers had for months been
financing and working with fascist organisations, such as the Svoboda party and the
Right Sector, to bring down the Yanukovych regime. This is despite the fact that
Svoboda leaders have made anti-Semitic public statements and the Right Sector’s
paramilitary forces dress in uniforms modelled on Hitler’s Waffen SS and sport
swastika-like emblems.’

Read more: Israel Backs Fascist Putsch, Supports neo-Nazi anti-Semitic Forces in Ukraine

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-backs-fascist-putsch-supports-neo-nazi-anti-semitic-forces-in-ukraine/5374768

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Petrodollar Alert: Putin Prepares To Announce 'Holy Grail' Gas Deal With China

‘If it was the intent of the West to bring Russia and China together – one a natural
resource (if “somewhat” corrupt) superpower and the other a fixed capital / labor
output (if “somewhat” capital misallocating and credit bubbleicious) powerhouse –
in the process marginalizing the dollar and encouraging Ruble and Renminbi
bilateral trade, then things are surely “going according to plan.”

For now there have been no major developments as a result of the shift in the
geopolitical axis that has seen global US influence, away from the Group of 7 (most
insolvent nations) of course, decline precipitously in the aftermath of the bungled
Syrian intervention attempt and the bloodless Russian annexation of Crimea, but
that will soon change. Because while the west is focused on day to day
developments in Ukraine, and how to halt Russian expansion through appeasement
(hardly a winning tactic as events in the 1930s demonstrated), Russia is once again
thinking 3 steps ahead… and quite a few steps east.

While Europe is furiously scrambling to find alternative sources of energy should
Gazprom pull the plug on natgas exports to Germany and Europe (the imminent
surge in Ukraine gas prices by 40% is probably the best indication of what the
outcome would be), Russia is preparing the announcement of the “Holy Grail”
energy deal with none other than China, a move which would send geopolitical
shockwaves around the world and bind the two nations in a commodity-backed axis.’

Read more …

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-21/petrodollar-alert-isolated-west-putin-prepares-announce-holy-grail-gas-deal-china


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European Union prepares for trade war with Russia over Crimea

http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/European-Summit-Cameron-009.jpg


‘Europe began to prepare for a possible trade war with Russia over Ukraine on
Friday, with the EU executive in Brussels ordered to draft plans for much more
substantive sanctions against Moscow if Vladimir Putin presses ahead with Russian
territorial expansion.

But the bigger EU countries – Germany, France and Britain, all with major but very
different interests at stake in Russia – split over the tactics of a new campaign with
fears that a trade war would be highly risky and potentially ruinous.

A two-day summit of EU leaders dominated by the Crimea crisis ended with 12
Russian politicians and military figures being added to a list of 21 so far subjected
to travel bans and asset freezes.’

Read more …

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/21/eu-mobilises-trade-war-russia-crimea-ukraine

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

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22 March 2014 Last updated at 14:36

Ukrainian military bases targeted in Crimea

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73746000/jpg/_73746829_73746828.jpg

Ukrainian troops at Belbek airbase. Photo: 22 March 2014 Ukrainian troops at
Belbek have been given orders to shoot in the air if attacked


Pro-Russian protesters have stormed a Ukrainian naval base in western Crimea.

Several hundred unarmed protesters attacked the base at Novofedorivka, which is
now under the complete control of Russian forces.Meanwhile, Ukrainian troops
surrounded by Russian forces have been ordered to battle stations at Belbek
airbase.Russian forces, including snipers and armoured personnel carriers, have
advanced and an ultimatum to surrender has just expired.

'All is in smoke'

The Belbek base commander told the few dozen troops still there to shoot in the air
if they were attacked.He said he had been waiting for days for orders from Kiev but
told the BBC that none had been issued.Ukraine's military chiefs deny this, saying
each unit in Crimea has been issued with clear orders on what to do if attacked.
Meanwhile, more Crimean "self-defence" units - including Cossacks in full uniform -
later arrived at the base near Sevastopol, a BBC correspondent there reports.

In Novofedorivka, attackers threw smoke bombs at the base, a spokesman for the
Ukraine defence ministry's Crimean region was quoted as saying by the Ukrainian media.

"All is in smoke. We retreated to the main headquarters," Vladyslav Seleznyov said.

He later said the Ukrainian forces had left the base after performing the national
anthem. Russian forces have also been seizing or blocking Ukrainian Navy ships
across Crimea.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73611000/gif/_73611135_ukraine_crimea_russia_map3_624.gif


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73749000/jpg/_73749588_73749587.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26698754

[SilentFeathers]

I wanted to "correct" myself in this post I made earlier, highlighted in red below has been bothering me since I wrote it because I remember my father telling me something some years ago right before he died in 2009 about Putin, my father told me to never under-estimate Russia, and watch Putin closely!

What I wrote below, the first sentence, I'd like to comment further on. YES, Putin seen what was coming to the Ukraine for a long time. and YES he knew how easy the west could pull a coup there....what I am trying to say is Putin LET IT HAPPEN IMO. Putin could of easily moved his troops along the Ukraine boarder before the coup, but didn't. Instead he made a military move after the coup and then moved them back, at the same time securing Crimea.

This may sound crazy, but I think Putin allowed this coup to happen in the Ukraine in order to basically have better control of manipulating the US economy, for leverage. In hindsight, the 15 billion dollar loan Putin was giving the Ukraine right before all this happened was basically a strategic move to get the west to act and to speed this whole situation up IMO. The more I think about this the more I realize what a brilliant move Putin made. Now the west, especially the US is basically stuck in the mud with this and all they can do is implement some ridiculous sanctions that are making the Russians laugh.

All Putin has to do right now is move towards Ukraine and our markets fall, he can retreat and our markets rise.....looking a little deeper he can actually do this same thing with the European markets simply by threatening to shut off all the oil and gas supplies. Also, IMO, this "new" leverage Putin has may be causing the West to re-think a few things......as there really is no pawns right now that the West can use against Russia for a type of proxy war over this Ukraine issue, except for maybe Turkey, but the West really needs to keep Turkey available for other issues coming in the future I'd guess.

I think Putin made a major move pertaining to the Ukraine and Crimea.....he knew there was no way for the West to inject there radical Islamic freedom fighters in to this region like they have been throughout the Middle east and North Africa.

We all mostly have seen only the West having their influence and causing what has happened in the Ukraine to happen, but from another angle it very well could of been Putin who master-minded and manipulated this whole event to happen.

Something to think about.......



Putin had to see what was coming to the Ukraine many months ago, if not longer, perhaps he actually did not see how easy the west could pull a coup there. Either way it seems to me that a deal was made that Russia could get Crimea out of the deal to make up for the double-cross so to speak.

There's an obvious rift either way that I see with the West and Russia. To think Putin/Russia is in bed and aligned with the West is a mistake and not wise IMO. Sure they make back door deals with each other, but I doubt very much they secretly hug and kiss each other. This is big business at the highest levels, situations like this HAVE caused huge wars and World Wars in the past.

There is a shift happening in my opinion and it's getting more vivid and verbal...and volatile. Alliances are shifting and being re-established with old friends AND enemies alike. Nations are picking sides and making huge adjustments. Certain players are being eliminated or knocked in to chaotic situations to render them useless. Some are getting stripped of everything while others are getting armed to the teeth......

Oh, by the way. is the missile shield Russia's been bitching about for years now being built?

Sooner or later it won't be all about money and oil, eventually it'll be also about identity and survival at the basic levels, that day is quickly approaching IMO. It's already arrived in Afghanistan, Egypt, Iraq, Libya, and Syria to some extent, and several other countries.......these countries couldn't rally the support for protection, but yet were conquered and basically destroyed in the name of freedom with a promise of protection. Putin tossed a wrench in Syria's downfall, but watch, it is yet to fall....we'll likely see that happen this year or the next. (after the mid term elections).

[ThePythonicCow]

US sanctions against Russia threaten to extend to "economic sectors", on Thursday, March 20, 2014.

From Obama: U.S. Could Target 'Key Sectors of the Russian Economy' (NBC News) (foxnewsinsider.com/2014/03/20/video-obama-authorizes-sanctions-against-key-sectors-russian-economy):

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President Barack Obama said Thursday that he has signed an executive order giving the United States authority to impose sanctions on "key sectors of the Russian economy" if necessary in light of Russia's "dangerous risks of escalation" in Ukraine.

"These sanctions would not only have a significant impact on the Russian economy, but could also be disruptive to the global economy," Obama warned. "However, Russia must know that further escalation will only isolate it further from the international community."

Obama also announced that the United States will impose further sanctions on Russian individuals with "substantial resources and influence" on Russian leadership and on a bank that has provided "material support" to those individuals.

A senior administration official told reporters after the president's remarks that there are 20 individuals who have been newly targeted for sanctions, including a top aide to President Vladimir Putin and Putin's personal banker as well as the chairman of Russian Railways.

The official added that the broader sanctions authorized by the new executive order could include restrictions on the Russian financial services, energy, mining, defense and engineering sectors.
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If this goes as previous threats have gone, Obama first signs an executive order giving himself permission to do something, and then some days later, does it. (Must be nice to be able to write one's own rules <grin>.)

As I have been describing in my What I see coming for the next few years (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69322-What-I-see-coming-for-the-next-few-years.) thread, I am continuing to anticipate that the present conflict will not escalate to a major hot war this year, but rather will escalate to a major economic war, leading to wide spread economic collapse, including at least the U.S. and I presume many other areas. Then after the American people are "softened up" by a couple years of hardship, the present bastards in power might hope to apply a major stress event (World War III and/or an alien invasion -- no real aliens need apply) in order to catalyse the transition to the global control that they desire.

Awareness is the key to our strength.

[ThePythonicCow]

... I think Putin allowed this coup to happen in the Ukraine in order to basically have better control of manipulating the US economy, for leverage.
Yes :).

[SilentFeathers]

US sanctions against Russia threaten to extend to "economic sectors", on Thursday, March 20, 2014.

From Obama: U.S. Could Target 'Key Sectors of the Russian Economy' (NBC News) (foxnewsinsider.com/2014/03/20/video-obama-authorizes-sanctions-against-key-sectors-russian-economy):

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President Barack Obama said Thursday that he has signed an executive order giving the United States authority to impose sanctions on "key sectors of the Russian economy" if necessary in light of Russia's "dangerous risks of escalation" in Ukraine.

"These sanctions would not only have a significant impact on the Russian economy, but could also be disruptive to the global economy," Obama warned. "However, Russia must know that further escalation will only isolate it further from the international community."

Obama also announced that the United States will impose further sanctions on Russian individuals with "substantial resources and influence" on Russian leadership and on a bank that has provided "material support" to those individuals.

A senior administration official told reporters after the president's remarks that there are 20 individuals who have been newly targeted for sanctions, including a top aide to President Vladimir Putin and Putin's personal banker as well as the chairman of Russian Railways.

The official added that the broader sanctions authorized by the new executive order could include restrictions on the Russian financial services, energy, mining, defense and engineering sectors.
~~~~~~~~~~~~

If this goes as previous threats have gone, Obama first signs an executive order giving himself permission to do something, and then some days later, does it. (Must be nice to be able to write one's own rules <grin>.)

As I have been describing in my What I see coming for the next few years (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69322-What-I-see-coming-for-the-next-few-years.) thread, I am continuing to anticipate that the present conflict will not escalate to a major hot war this year, but rather will escalate to a major economic war, leading to wide spread economic collapse, including at least the U.S. and I presume many other areas. Then after the American people are "softened up" by a couple years of hardship, the present bastards in power might hope to apply a major stress event (World War III and/or an alien invasion -- no real aliens need apply) in order to catalyse the transition to the global control that they desire.

Awareness is the key to our strength.

In a "fear driven" global economy any thing can happen at any given moment, all one needs to do is break wind and startle a few journalists and the economy could spiral in to chaos.

I agree, there's a huge economic battle starting right now with Russia (and China) vs. the West. Putin just recently proved to us how all he needs to do is relocate a large group of troops and our economy trembles and about shatters to little bitty pieces.

Obama is forced to draw up economic sanctions against Russia to somehow regain a little bit of leverage back after the Ukraine/Crimea fiasco, now, who'll make the next move?

[ThePythonicCow]

I found this video. It is in my idea very interesting. It explain the history of Russia versus the west in the last 20 years, and it explains what Putin did and why he is liked in Russia.

Really Worth a listen, you will understand much better what is at stake with Europe and the Cabal oligarchy, and how Putin did somewhat got rid of them

Yes, well worth a listen.

The rise of a powerful Germany in the 1930's was preceded by their economic devastation in the 1920's.

The rise of a powerful Russia now was preceded by their economic devastation in the 1990's.

Once again, the bastards in power are moving their chess pieces into play.

The world wide climax (whether World War III or a (fake) alien invasion) will come after another economic collapse effecting many areas, including the U.S.

[Hawkwind]

... As I have been describing in my What I see coming for the next few years (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69322-What-I-see-coming-for-the-next-few-years.) thread, I am continuing to anticipate that the present conflict will not escalate to a major hot war this year, but rather will escalate to a major economic war, leading to wide spread economic collapse, including at least the U.S. and I presume many other areas. Then after the American people are "softened up" by a couple years of hardship, the present bastards in power might hope to apply a major stress event (World War III and/or an alien invasion -- no real aliens need apply) in order to catalyse the transition to the global control that they desire.

Awareness is the key to our strength. ...

Excellent strategy. If it wasn't already their plan, perhaps they'll consider adopting it. In fact, I've heard a position recently open up at Global Dominance Bent Genocidal Megalomaniacs R Us. If you want to send them an application feel free to use me as a reference. :P

Oh and by the way, I've had second thoughts about Putin being unable to go public about 9/11 in order to maintain credibility. It still doesn't explain why Pravda did a hit piece on the first major expose on the subject that I'm aware of. Perhaps he couldn't go public with what he knew, but why allow the state sponsored press to suppress people who were going public? I don't know how much influence the Russian president has on the media there, but surely he would have been able to encourage a tone of "this is hard to believe, but worth investigating" rather than "this is complete nonsense, don't waste your time looking at it"- which was pretty much Pravda's spin on the subject at the time. Still seems to me like all major parties involved are following the same script. Any thoughts?

[ThePythonicCow]

Still seems to me like all major parties involved are following the same script. Any thoughts?
You may well be right.

[Tangri]

Most of the people heard Crimea(Kirim) these days. Kirim (Crimea) was long suffering ethnic cleaning from it's original(native)population.
The natives are Kirim Tatar(Turks tribe).
This ethnic cleaning start with Russian invasion later continue with Ukrainian rules. They were complain to United Nation on this press/pushed events
No one give the respond for years.
Now everybody is screaming Russians are coming to Europe
I heard from first witness who say they are happy now, away from Aryan race.

[Tangri]

This should be separate from my previous post because context is different.

Final target Iran is a doomsday threshold. This will erase human lives on that geography. I know this for sure because of Iran's capabilities on certain knowledge(be aware it is not nuclear).
I feel very sorry for Jews, Arabs, Persians who lives in that area. Their life will be sacrificed according given words by NWO planners(unauthorized) to certain parties.

[Hervé]

The Ukraine Crisis and Vladimir Putin: A New Financial System Free from Wall Street and the City of London?
(http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ukraine-crisis-and-vladimir-putin-a-new-financial-system-free-from-wall-street-and-the-city-of-london/5374785)
By Umberto Pascali (http://www.globalresearch.ca/author/umberto-pascali)
Global Research, March 22, 2014

The followings are excerpts from a March 19 2014 interview with Umberto Pascali, Macedonian TV program, “The People’s Voice” directed by Slobodan Tomic.

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Approximate Transcript of Interview

The Ukrainian crisis? It is basically the opposite of what the media and politicians keep repeating both in the US and Europe. They say that the so-called International community have isolated Russia and Vladimir Putin.

In fact it is the real sponsors of the coup d’état and the violence in Ukraine who are isolated not only morally but also strategically.

And it is Putin, the first leader who resisted and defeated the strategy of world domination, who is enjoying the enthusiastic support of his people and the growing admiration of the world. The well financed media and politicians do not want to hear this, but this is the reality. Without exaggeration, one can compare this resistance to that against Napoleon and Hitler…

Only few know precisely how dangerous the situation has been. How close to a real war.

The incompetent representatives of the ‘international community’ lost any sense of reality and deployed the weapons of social destabilization, armed insurrection, assassination by snipers, a fascist March on Kiev reminiscent of Mussolini’s March on Rome, targeting of the Russian population.

They intended to give Russia the Libya treatment, and they did not make a secret of it.

After the assurances given by George H W Bush to Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO couldn’t be used for a push toward East, successive US governments did exactly that. Their objective is to surround Russia. With the smiling hypocrisy of hyenas, they made clear that there was no alternative but to surrender to the military power and propaganda capabilities of NATO.

No compromise, no negotiations. Or better when negotiations took place like on Feb 21, the neo-Nazi gangs in Kiev were incited to escalate the armed violence and take over the Parliament and Government buildings, beating and intimidating whoever did not agree.

The Western “diplomats” immediately recognized the neo-Nazi coup d’état as the legitimate government. Yatsenyuk, the candidate of Victoria Nuland, declared himself Prime Minister while members of the parliament were brutally beaten in the street, their houses invaded and violated, their families terrorized… to ensure their support for the democratic process…

These criminal politicians even pushed the situation close to a real nuclear war. Putin made clear that Russia — which had lost a large percentage of its population in the war against Nazism and accepted to see Moscow in flames in order to defeat the superior forces of Napoleon — was not going to surrender. That moment was more dangerous than the 1962 Cuban missile crisis. Putin called their bluff… Then, while the Crimean (and not only Crimean) population asked for protection against the NATO-supported armed gangs, the propaganda machine went into full speed in the West, but it was too late. In this sense Putin not only saved Russia, but gave a chance to the whole of Europe… like in WWII

The fascist armed insurrection and the Kiev coup were not simply a war against Russia, they were also a war against Europe. Not the EU bureaucracy in Brussels, whose loyalty lies with the big financial institutions, but the Europe of the various countries reduced to misery and despair by austerity measures and the economic looting of Wall Street and the city of London.

Ukraine has been destabilized in order to make sure that Europe would be in a perennial war with Russia.

In fact, both, the interests of Europe and that of Russia, lie in a common economic plan for the development of the whole area. This is what was proposed by Putin and by several leaders such as former German chancellors Helmut Kohl and Gerhard Schroeder. This is exactly what had to be prevented with the Victoria Nuland $5 billion ‘to help democracy.’ And now, despite all the noises and rhetoric, this is the most obvious direction to go.

The most important point to understand is that this war and looting policy is not in the interest of the Europeans or even of the Americans.

This is the big secret that now cannot be covered anymore. The governments of the US and the European countries are NOT independent entities, they are not sovereign. They do not have the will or even the ability to act on behalf of their people. They are controlled by powerful banking interests. They have been taken over by two financial centers that do not care for the real economy. They pursue only speculation and looting.

In response on March 4th the economic adviser to Putin, Sergey Glazyev declared openly that if the financial vultures persisted, Russia would create on the spot an independent financial system which is separate from that of the US Dollar.
Glazyev explained to the vampires:

‘We have wonderful economic and trade relations with our Southern and Eastern partners. We will find a way not just to eliminate our dependence on the US but also profit from these sanctions….If sanctions are applied against Russia’s state structures we will have to move into other currencies and create our own settlement system. We will be forced to recognize the impossibility of repayment of the loans that the US banks gave to Russian state structures. Indeed, sanctions are a double-edged weapon, and if the US chooses to freeze our assets, then our equities and liabilities in dollars will also be frozen…’
This strategy is known as the Financial Nuclear Option. It could lead to the end of the predatory looting system of Wall Street.

The ‘Southern and Eastern partners’ Glazyev is talking about are clearly the members of the BRICS, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, the sane part of the world economy, the future.

And it is exactly what the official spokesman of the Kremlin, Dmitry Peskov indicated in an interview to the BBC:

“Sanctions against Russia could be the final trigger that will force many countries to create a new independent financial system based on the real economy. The world is changing rapidly. How many civilizations grew and died in the course of history? Who will be able to resist the pressure of dying systems and indicate to the people the road toward the future?”
The possibility of a new financial system independent from the collapsing dollar empire, as consequence of anti Russia sanctions was also emphasized by an authoritative the Russian media including RT. (See:http://rt.com/op-edge/russia-switches-to-brics-sanctions-357/)

…Western sanctions might push Russia to deepen cooperation with BRICS (http://rt.com/op-edge/russia-switches-to-brics-sanctions-357/) states, in particular, to strengthen its ties with China, which will possibly turn out to be a big catastrophe for the US and the EU some time later.
On March 18, the spokesperson for the Kremlin, Dmitry Peskov, stated that Russia would switch to new partners in case of economic sanctions being imposed by the European Union and the United States. He highlighted that the modern world isn’t unipolar and Russia has strong ties with other states as well, though Russia wants to remain in good relations with its Western partners, especially with the EU due to the volume of trade and joint projects.

Those “new partners” are not really new since Russia has been closely interconnected with them for almost 13 years. This is all about the so-called BRICS organization, consisting of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. BRICS represents 42 percent of the world’s population and about a quarter of the world’s economy, which means that this bloc of states is an important global actor.

The BRICS countries are like-minded in regard to supporting the principles of international law, the central role of the UN Security Council and the principles of the non-use of force in international relations; this is why they are so actively performing in the sphere of settling regional conflicts. However, the cooperation between Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa goes beyond political aspects and is also demonstrated by dynamic trade and multiple projects in different areas.

Today, in total, there are more than 20 formats of cooperation within the BRICS which are being developing. For example, in February the member-states came to an agreement about 11 possible projects of scientific and technical cooperation, from aeronautics to bio- and nanotechnology.

In order to modernize the global economic system, at the center of which stand the US and the EU, the leaders of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa have created the BRICS Stock Alliance and are creating their own development bank to finance large infrastructure projects. On the whole, despite fierce criticism of BRICS as an organization with no future, it is developing and increasing cooperation with its members and, in fact, BRICS is showing pretty good results.

With the suspension of Russia’s participation in G8 and the strengthening of economic sanctions against Russia, specific industries may be targeted, including limits on imported commodities.

While the West seeks to hit Russia hard, it is important to notice that Russia is ready to switch to other markets, including BRICS, with a view to expanding its trade.

[jackovesk]

Forget Russia Dumping U.S. Treasuries … Here’s the REAL Economic Threat

http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/money4.jpg Could Crush the Petrodollar

Russia threatened to dump its U.S. treasuries if America imposed sanctions regarding Russia’s action in the Crimea.

Zero Hedge argues that Russia has already done so.

But veteran investor Jim Sinclair argues that Russia has a much scarier financial attack which Russia can use against the U.S.

Specifically, Sinclair says that if Russia accepts payment for oil and gas in any currency other than the dollar – whether it’s gold, the Euro, the Ruble, the Rupee, or anything else – then the U.S. petrodollar system will collapse:

Indeed, one of the main pillars for U.S. power is the petrodollar, and the U.S. is desperate for the dollar to maintain reserve status. Some wise commentators have argued that recent U.S. wars have really been about keeping the rest of the world on the petrodollar standard.

The theory is that – after Nixon took the U.S. off the gold standard, which had made the dollar the world’s reserve currency – America salvaged that role by adopting the petrodollar. Specifically, the U.S. and Saudi Arabia agreed that all oil and gas would be priced in dollars, so the rest of the world had to use dollars for most transactions.

But Reuters notes that Russia may be mere months away from signing a bilateral trade deal with China, where China would buy huge quantities of Russian oil and gas.

((Zero Hedge)) argues:


Add bilateral trade denominated in either Rubles or Renminbi (or gold), add Iran, Iraq, India, and soon the Saudis (China’s largest foreign source of crude, whose crown prince also happened to meet president Xi Jinping last week to expand trade further) and wave goodbye to the petrodollar.

As we noted last year:


The average life expectancy for a fiat currency is less than 40 years.

But what about “reserve currencies”, like the U.S. dollar?

JP Morgan noted last year that “reserve currencies” have a limited shelf-life:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/10/Reserve%20Currency%20Status.png

As the table shows, U.S. reserve status has already lasted as long as Portugal and the Netherland’s reigns. It won’t happen tomorrow, or next week … but the end of the dollar’s rein is coming nonetheless, and China and many other countries are calling for a new reserve currency.

Remember, China is entering into more and more major deals with other countries to settle trades in Yuans, instead of dollars. This includes the European Union (the world’s largest economy) [and also Russia].

And China is quietly becoming a gold superpower…

Given that China has surpassed the U.S. as the world’s largest importer of oil, Saudi Arabia is moving away from the U.S. … and towards China. (Some even argue that the world will switch from the petrodollar to the petroYUAN. We’re not convinced that will happen.)

In any event, a switch to pricing petroleum in anything other than dollars exclusively – whether a single alternative currency, gold, or even a mix of currencies or commodities – would spell the end of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

For that reason, Sinclair – no fan of either Russia or Putin – urges American leaders to back away from an economic confrontation with Russia, arguing that the U.S. would be the loser.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/forget-russia-dumping-u-s-treasuries-heres-the-real-economic-threat/5374756

PS - Now put your (Think Cap) on...

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Sinclair – no fan of either Russia or Putin – "urges American leaders to back away from an economic confrontation with Russia, arguing that the U.S. would be the loser."

How convenient for the Cabal...:yes4:

The only thing that may be a problem with their ultimate (Pull the Plug) :lever: Strategy is, they are now not the only player involved in total control of choosing the ($USD) end date...:nono:

[gripreaper]

OK, I'm going to chime in, even though I have not read every post in this thread, but many have made salient points. My first request would be to step back from the canvas a bit and try to eliminate any nation states from the scenario. Also, try to eliminate anything which does not address power, as power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. Power and control is the only thing the super global elite are interested in, as they already have everything else. They have no notions of nation states and ALL national leaders are in positions of power because the elite make it so.

So Russia, China, the US, Britian are all in on the jig. To say there is an alliance of Russia and China to move away from the petrodollar and go their own way is NOT what is going on. Step back from the canvas a bit further. If these are the chess pieces being moved about, it is by design to shift consciousness towards a global conflict, and Putin is in on it.

Crimea, Ukraine, Iran, Syria, Israel, etc. are all just chess pieces on the globalist chess board. Remember, the technology exists to monitor and track every single move, every transaction, and every digital communication. All of this data is fed into a extremely powerful system (think PROMIS and ECELON) which can change the trajectory, alter currency flows, manipulate public opinion, and actually ENTRAIN the very thoughts in your mind to go the way the globalists want.

It's very unnerving how powerful these globalists already are and what tools they have at their fingertips.

If you say Iran is the ultimate goal, it is because Iran is sitting on more oil than anywhere else on the planet and Iran still refuses to play ball with the globalist banksters. It is also to say that Saudi Arabia has pretty much depleted their reserves in the last 50 years. If Ukraine is in the picture it is because of the natural gas reserves, or the natural gas pipelines which must reach the sea somewhere. It's imperialistic colonialism, the very same game which has been played for centuries.

So, the globalists want their petrodollar to remain, their ultimate control through the Vatican and the City of London, and their globalist mercenary bullying force the US military, to expand and maintain their imperialistic colonialism. Regardless of what this global currency will be called, whether special drawing rights or whatever, the basic structure remains the same, or worse. They have flooded the planet with worthless paper all based on a consumable commodity, leaving massive debt in the wake, while absconding with the tangibles.

If China and Russia think they are going to play both sides of the fence and also create alliances and play an endgame around the petrodollar and the hegemony of the globalists, don't you think that the globalists know this? If China thinks it can amass enough tangibles to go around the globalists, they are sorely mistaken. They may be rooks, knights, or castles on the chess board, hell, they may even be the king or queen, but they are still on the chessboard as a manipulated payer, whether they realize it or not.

The ONLY way, and I mean this, the only way to circumvent the globalist agenda is for all sentient beings on the planet to not sign up for their wars, stop playing their currency games, stop supporting their global corporatocracy and wake up as fast as possible, while spreading the truth. Avoid and do not participate in nation to nation conflicts because they are all engineered, BOTH sides by the same global mafia. STOP paying the interest on debt. ALL debt is fabricated and is not tied to tangibles and is just fiat paper keeping us as slaves. It amazes me how anyone in this day and age would even consider signing a mortgage for a house. STOP buying anything from the huge multinational corporations. Get local as quickly as possible.

WE have to point the finger at the few murderous, arrogant blood sacrificing, child raping, pedophilic, hedonistic, pompous, self centered, obsessive, self absorbed, greedy narcissistic oligarchical inhuman power mongering psychopathic interlopers and NOT at nations or the other sentient souls on this planet. We have to quit playing their game, supporting their system, being complacent in the things which support our lifestyles which we KNOW hold the system in place.

This means we have to self examine EVERY aspect of our lives. What you will find, is ALL OF US support the globalist system, and it's impossible not to. What you will also find, is you can BEGIN to extricate yourself and move away from support, in incremental steps.

As long as we support their corrupt system, the agenda rolls on, till one day we wake up in the complete totalitarian fascist nightmare we talk so much about around here. If everyone threw their hands up in the air and said, "that's enough" and actually hunted down the globalists and took them out, or forced them to leave the planet in their stellar craft, in a night of a thousand swords, that would be great. I'm afraid we will have to do it one person at a time, one step at a time. Will it work?

I hope so.

[ThePythonicCow]

The ONLY way, and I mean this, the only way to circumvent the globalist agenda is for all sentient beings on the planet to ...
My hunch is that this step is impossible :).

But that's OK, because I figure that there's another way.

By my reading of history, evil schemes, otherwise well designed, most often failed because someone of sufficient character and awareness, in the right place at the right time, threw a monkey wrench into the works.

Termites don't need to eat all the wood in a structure (tree or house) to get the structure to fail. They need to weaken enough key places sufficiently to get them to fail.

Awake and aware humans are the termites of the power structure that has been controlling humanity for the last many millenia. The more of us who are awake and aware, the better the odds that someone will throw that monkey wrench (or sledge hammer, as below.)


http://mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_640x430/public/1984_woman_with_hammer_5.jpg

(Above image from Apple 1984 Super Bowl Commercial Introducing Macintosh Computer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zfqw8nhUwA))

[ndroock1]

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I had the video subtitled in Chinese -- knowing full well that it would be picked up by the Chinese intelligence agencies. I WANTED them to know the plan against them. My intention was that they would report it up the line to a very senior level.

The Chinese have their own translation software, as well as staff fluent in English. I can't imagine that you don't know that, so why the translation and why the mention in this post? ( Do you imply to say you saved the world of world war III? )

Alex Jones repackages news events into his own brand of science 'fact'-ion. As long as it scares his listeners so that they order more stuff from his sponsors. I can't believe you use any of his 'sources'.

[MalteseKnight]

Just a thought ....Ukraine is a significant food producer...do we really want Monsanto to take it under its [vulture] wing?

Keep the discussion going...and thanks to all who have contributed and are contributing.

MalteseKnight

[Cidersomerset]

Next phase Eastern Ukraine....



Nationalist Rise: Israeli MPs express concerns for Jewish community in Ukraine

_ANZZyXROoM

Published on 22 Mar 2014


Well thousands have responded to the rise of the right by taking to the streets across
Eastern Ukraine in protest at the interim authorities in Kiev. Donetsk has seen some
of the biggest rallies to demand a referendum on a possible secession. Activists across
Eastern regions say they're making a stand against the fascist leanings of a post-coup
leadership. A group of Israel MPs has written an open letter to the President of the
European Commission. They expressed their concern over the plight of Ukrainian Jews
who they say are suffering from constant attacks. It's claimed this is a direct result of
the rise of nationalists in Kiev. Activists from Ukraine's Jewish community have also
traveled to Israel to seek support.

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Exporting Chaos: 'West spent $5 billion destabilizing Ukraine'

-2xBhpFi9JU

Published on 22 Mar 2014


Despite previously supporting the self-determination of
some nations, the US continues to dismiss Crimea's choice
to reunite with Russia. Washington is standing by its
newfound allies in Kiev - after helping propel them to
power. And as RT's Anastasia Churkina reports, Ukraine's
not the first country to go through selective US -backed
regime change. Read More: http://on.rt.com/lqkwp8

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interesting discussion...

CrossTalk: Ukrainian Spiral

zm3u-Qvg3DA

Published on 21 Mar 2014

[Cidersomerset]

Neocons’ Ukraine-Syria-Iran Gambit

Sunday 23rd March 2014 at 07:07 By David Icke


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‘You might think that policymakers with so many bloody fiascos on their résumés as
the U.S. neocons, including the catastrophic Iraq War, would admit their
incompetence and return home to sell insurance or maybe work in a fast-food
restaurant. Anything but directing the geopolitical decisions of the world’s leading superpower.

But Official Washington’s neocons are nothing if not relentless and resilient. They
are also well-funded and well-connected. So they won’t do the honorable thing and
disappear. They keep hatching new schemes and strategies to keep the world
stirred up and to keep their vision of world domination – and particularly “regime
change” in the Middle East – alive.’

Now, the neocons have stoked a confrontation over Ukraine, involving two nuclear-
armed states, the United States and Russia. But – even if nuclear weapons don’t
come into play – the neocons have succeeded in estranging U.S. President Barack
Obama from Russian President Vladimir Putin and sabotaging the pair’s crucial
cooperation on Iran and Syria, which may have been the point all along.

Though the Ukraine crisis has roots going back decades, the chronology of the
recent uprising — and the neocon interest in it – meshes neatly with neocon fury
over Obama and Putin working together to avert a U.S. military strike against Syria
last summer and then brokering an interim nuclear agreement with Iran last fall
that effectively took a U.S. bombing campaign against Iran off the table.

With those two top Israeli priorities – U.S. military attacks on Syria and Iran –
sidetracked, the American neocons began activating their influential media and
political networks to counteract the Obama-Putin teamwork. The neocon wedge to
splinter Obama away from Putin was driven into Ukraine.

Operating out of neocon enclaves in the U.S. State Department and at U.S.-funded
non-governmental organizations, led by the National Endowment for Democracy,
neocon operatives targeted Ukraine even before the recent political unrest began
shaking apart the country’s fragile ethnic and ideological cohesion.

Last September, as the prospects for a U.S. military strike against Syria were
fading thanks to Putin, NED president Carl Gershman, who is something of a
neocon paymaster controlling more than $100 million in congressionally approved
funding each year, took to the pages of the neocon-flagship Washington Post and
wrote that Ukraine was now “the biggest prize.”

But Gershman added that Ukraine was really only an interim step to an even bigger
prize, the removal of the strong-willed and independent-minded Putin, who,
Gershman added, “may find himself on the losing end not just in the near abroad
[i.e. Ukraine] but within Russia itself.” In other words, the new hope was
for “regime change” in Kiev and Moscow.

Putin had made himself a major annoyance in Neocon World, particularly with his
diplomacy on Syria that defused a crisis over a Sarin attack outside Damascus on
Aug. 21, 2013. Despite the attack’s mysterious origins – and the absence of any
clear evidence proving the Syrian government’s guilt – the U.S. State Department
and the U.S. news media rushed to the judgment that Syrian President Bashar al-
Assad did it.



Read more: Neocons’ Ukraine-Syria-Iran Gambit

http://www.globalresearch.ca/neocons-ukraine-syria-iran-gambit/5374770

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Hawkwind]

This means we have to self examine EVERY aspect of our lives. What you will find, is ALL OF US support the globalist system, and it's impossible not to. What you will also find, is you can BEGIN to extricate yourself and move away from support, in incremental steps.

Absolutely correct. If you use money, you are supporting the system which is enslaving you. The more money you use the more you support it and the less money you use the more you extricate yourself from it. Ultimately though, the only way to escape the existing system is to recognize it for the cancer it is and destroy it before it destroys us.


As long as we support their corrupt system, the agenda rolls on, till one day we wake up in the complete totalitarian fascist nightmare we talk so much about around here. If everyone threw their hands up in the air and said, "that's enough" and actually hunted down the globalists and took them out, or forced them to leave the planet in their stellar craft, in a night of a thousand swords, that would be great. I'm afraid we will have to do it one person at a time, one step at a time. Will it work?

I hope so.

I can’t say I haven’t fantasized about that kind of solution. I mean there have to be several hundred thousand of us awake, aware and opposed to the NWO agenda as opposed to maybe 10,000 “murderous, arrogant ... inhuman power mongering psychopathic interlopers”. If enough of us decided to take up arms and start taking them out we could, right? After giving that scenario a good deal of thought, my conclusion is no, it just won’t work. Even if we could organize a global “night of a thousand swords” as you suggested (and good luck pulling off even that part of the plan given the levels of surveillance in place), it wouldn’t be enough. This is a hydra. Cut off one head and two grow in its place.

The best solution I can see isn’t to attempt to remove the heads from the body, but to bit by bit remove the body from heads. As Paul suggested in his post...


Termites don't need to eat all the wood in a structure (tree or house) to get the structure to fail. They need to weaken enough key places sufficiently to get them to fail.

Awake and aware humans are the termites of the power structure that has been controlling humanity for the last many millenia. ...

Yep, munch on!

[Hervé]

Money or $$ or shells as a mean of exchange is not the problem, e.g. "I'll trade my living-room Godzilla for half (1/2) your bedroom mammoth... here is a hacksaw."

As usual and as history keeps repeating it, the problem is who controls it and for what purpose? And we are back to psychopaths versus folks who are unable to imagine that psychopathic behaviour can possibly exist...

[sheme]

News alert my son phoned to say some plane has been shot down Turkey/ Syria

only on Al jazeera so far.

[Cidersomerset]

News alert my son phoned to say some plane has been shot down Turkey/ Syria

only on Al jazeera so far.

This has happened before in the last couple of years,
so should not be an immediate threat....

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23 March 2014 Last updated at 13:56

Turkey shoots down Syrian military jetRecep Tayyip Erdogan, 25 Feb

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Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan congratulated his air force

Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan says its armed forces have shot
down a Syrian military jet which had violated its airspace.

He warned such action by Syria merited a "heavy response".

But Syria accused Turkey of "blatant aggression", saying the plane had been over
Syrian territory at the time. The incident reportedly occurred in an area where
Syrian rebels and government forces have been fighting for control of a border
crossing.Hundreds of thousands have fled Syria for Turkey to escape the three-year
uprising against President Assad.More than 100,000 people have been killed since
the Syrian conflict began.

According to UN figures, 6.5 million Syrians have been displaced by the civil war,
and 2.5 million are registered as refugees. Lebanon has taken the highest number
of refugees, followed by Jordan and Turkey.

'Caught fire and crashed'

Speaking at a rally of supporters, Mr Erdogan congratulated his air force on its
actions on Sunday.

"A Syrian plane violated our airspace. Our F-16s took off and hit this plane. Why?
because if you violate my airspace, our slap after this will be hard," he said.

A Syrian military source, quoted by state television, said Turkish air defences had
shot down a Syrian jet as it attacked rebels on Syrian territory - an act of "blatant
aggression".

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights - a UK-based activist group - said initial
reports from the area suggested the plane came down on the Syrian side of the
border.

"Turkish air defences targeted a Syrian fighter bomber as it struck areas of the
northern province of Latakia. The plane caught fire and crashed in Syrian territory,"
the Observatory said.

According to one report, the plane's pilot was able to eject.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26706417

[AlaBil]

From Reters news

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/23/us-syria-crisis-airplane-idUSBREA2M09X20140323

(Reuters) - Turkey's armed forces shot down a Syrian plane on Sunday after it crossed into Turkish air space in a border region where Syrian rebels have been battling President Bashar al-Assad's forces.

"A Syrian plane violated our airspace," Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan told an election rally of his supporters in northwest Turkey.

"Our F-16s took off and hit this plane. Why? Because if you violate my airspace, our slap after this will be hard,"

[Cidersomerset]

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23 March 2014 Last updated at 14:31

Nato warns of Russian army build-up on Ukraine borderLatest


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Ukrainian troops on the border with Russia, 21 March Ukrainian troops are
stationed on the border with Russia, in smaller numbers Nato's military commander
in Europe has issued a warning about the build-up of Russian forces on Ukraine's
border.Supreme Allied Commander Europe Gen Philip Breedlove said Nato was in
particular concerned about the threat to Moldova's Trans-Dniester region.

Russia said its forces east of Ukraine complied with international agreements.

The build-up has been allied with Russia's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine,
following the removal of Ukraine's pro-Moscow president.Moscow formally annexed
Crimea after the predominantly ethnic-Russian region held a referendum which
backed joining the Russian Federation.

Kiev and the West have condemned the vote as "illegal".

Russian flags have now been hoisted at 189 Ukrainian military units and facilities in
Crimea, the Interfax news agency reports.Moscow's ambassador to the EU told the
BBC the "reunification" had not been pre-planned but was the end of
an "abnormality" which had lasted for 60 years.Vladimir Chizhov also said said
Moscow did not have any "expansionist views" and that "nobody should fear Russia".

On Sunday, Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council chief Andriy Parubiy
told a big rally in Kiev: "The aim of [President Vladimir] Putin is not Crimea, but all
of Ukraine... His troops massed at the border are ready to attack at any moment."


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'Adversary'

The comments by Gen Breedlove came at an event held by the German Marshall
Fund think-tank in Brussels.He said: "The [Russian] force that is at the Ukrainian
border now to the east is very, very sizeable and very, very ready."

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War memorial in Tiraspol, file pic A war memorial in Tiraspol, Trans-Dniester. Nato
fears Russian troops could move there quickly He added: "There is absolutely
sufficient force postured on the eastern border of Ukraine to run to Trans-Dniester
if the decision was made to do that and that is very worrisome.

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"Russia is acting much more like an adversary than a partner."

Map of Trans-Dniester
Trans-Dniester is a narrow strip of land between the Dniester river and Ukraine's
south-western border and it proclaimed independence from Moldova in 1990.

The international community has not recognised its self-declared statehood.

As Crimea was annexed, the Trans-Dniester Supreme Soviet sent a request asking
to join the Russian Federation.On Sunday, Russia's Deputy Defence Minister
Anatoly Antonov told the Itar-Tass agency: "The Russian Defence Ministry is in
compliance with all international agreements limiting the number of troops in the
border areas with Ukraine."

Russia's ambassador to the EU warned the US against sending troops or military aid
to Ukraine, saying it would be a "grave mistake".

Crimea base falls

Mr Chizhov told the BBC that Russia did not recognise the new government in Kiev
but he expected it to safeguard the rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

"We want to see the interests of people living in eastern Ukraine - ethnic Russians,
Russian speakers, all the population of eastern Ukraine - to be taken into account
by whoever is the authority in Kiev today" he said.

Read more....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26704205

[Dorishaktiblue]

Good Work Bill!
:dance:
lets see what happens. hopefully nothing like they were planning.

[Kimberley]

This article came to my attention this morning. I know there are some youtube video's floating around with a similar title...however this is IMO a very interesting article with historical information as to how this "game" has been being operated as far back as the 1953 CIA-MI6 coup in Iran.

If it was posted already...sorry for the repetition...

Putin puts fear of God in New World Order

Posted by Eric Barlow on March 22, 2014

Full article at this link:
http://wearechange.org/putin-puts-fear-god-new-world-order/

This is just the first few paragraphs:


In the wake of Crimea’s independence referendum, Hillary Clinton says Russian President Putin is a “new Hitler.” Zbigniew Brezezinski, former National Security Advisor agrees, calling Putin not just another Hitler, but also a thug, a menace, a Mafia gangster, and a Mussolini. The Western mainstream media echoes this childish name-calling.

Why is the whole Western foreign policy establishment so afraid of Putin?

Because Putin is standing up against Western aggression – not only in Ukraine, but also in Syria and Iran. Ongoing Western attempts to destabilize these and other countries are just the most recent examples of a decades-old pattern of aggression. The long-term goal: Total destruction of traditional nations and values, and the creation of a New World Order global dictatorship.

Since the 1953 CIA-MI6 coup in Iran, the West has been using the same formula to overthrow legitimate but uncooperative leaders: First, sabotage the country’s economy. Then bribe corrupt military officers and thugs and pay rent-a-mobs to create chaos in the streets. Next (this step is optional) incite violence by paying snipers to fire into crowds – and maybe set off some bombs. Finally, send the corrupt military units and gangsters to overthrow the target nation’s legitimate leader, murder or imprison his supporters, install a Western puppet in his place – and announce that “order has been restored.”

The CIA did it to Iran’s democratically-elected Prime Minister Mossadegh in 1953, to Indonesia’s President Sukarno in 1965, and to Chile’s Prime Minister Allende on September 11th, 1973. They did the same thing to Ukraine’s legitimate president, Viktor Yanukovych, a few weeks ago. Neocon regime-change apparatchik Victoria Nuland (The assistant US secretary of state,) got caught admitting that the US had spent five billion dollars to overthrow Ukraine’s democratically-elected government; and EU Foreign Affairs Chief Catherine Ashton was heard on tape discussing the “news” that the Maidan Square snipers were part of the US-sponsored coup.

The people of Ukraine should be worried. US-sponsored coups can turn very bloody very quickly.


NOW more than ever...much love, PEACE, joy, health, and fun to us all!!!!! :grouphug:

[gripreaper]

This article came to my attention this morning. I know there are some youtube video's floating around with a similar title...however this is IMO a very interesting article with historical information as to how this "game" has been being operated as far back as the 1953 CIA-MI6 coup in Iran.

I would just like to clarify a few misnomers in these first few paragraphs:


In the wake of Crimea’s independence referendum, Hillary Clinton says Russian President Putin is a “new Hitler.” Zbigniew Brezezinski, former National Security Advisor agrees, calling Putin not just another Hitler, but also a thug, a menace, a Mafia gangster, and a Mussolini. The Western mainstream media echoes this childish name-calling.

These so called western v eastern puppets are paid mercenaries for the globalists and are part of the DC establishment of the corporate UNITED STATES and have nothing to do with the actual nation of the United States. It's not a "western" phenomenon any more than it is a United States phenomenon.


Why is the whole Western foreign policy establishment so afraid of Putin? Because Putin is standing up against Western aggression – not only in Ukraine, but also in Syria and Iran. Ongoing Western attempts to destabilize these and other countries are just the most recent examples of a decades-old pattern of aggression. The long-term goal: Total destruction of traditional nations and values, and the creation of a New World Order global dictatorship.

I'm not convinced that there is an alliance which is going against the globalists. Putin could be playing both sides of the fence, but it is more likely he is protecting the resources (natural gas) in that part of Russia.


Since the 1953 CIA-MI6 coup in Iran, the West has been using the same formula to overthrow legitimate but uncooperative leaders: First, sabotage the country’s economy. Then bribe corrupt military officers and thugs and pay rent-a-mobs to create chaos in the streets. Next (this step is optional) incite violence by paying snipers to fire into crowds – and maybe set off some bombs. Finally, send the corrupt military units and gangsters to overthrow the target nation’s legitimate leader, murder or imprison his supporters, install a Western puppet in his place – and announce that “order has been restored.”

And this is just more imperialism at the hands of the globalist's paid mercenary force known as the US military. Iran has the richest oil reserve on the planet and the Ukraine has the natural gas, and they want it.


The CIA did it to Iran’s democratically-elected Prime Minister Mossadegh in 1953, to Indonesia’s President Sukarno in 1965, and to Chile’s Prime Minister Allende on September 11th, 1973. They did the same thing to Ukraine’s legitimate president, Viktor Yanukovych, a few weeks ago. Neocon regime-change apparatchik Victoria Nuland (The assistant US secretary of state,) got caught admitting that the US had spent five billion dollars to overthrow Ukraine’s democratically-elected government; and EU Foreign Affairs Chief Catherine Ashton was heard on tape discussing the “news” that the Maidan Square snipers were part of the US-sponsored coup.

It is important for us to recognize imperialism being fostered on the world and awaken the masses to who benefits and who gets rich from such imperialism. The debate being contextualized as western, US, between nations etc. takes the focus off who is actually fomenting such chaos and what the ultimate agenda is and who is perpetuating such an agenda.


The people of Ukraine should be worried. US-sponsored coups can turn very bloody very quickly.

We must be careful not to call this imperialism "western" or "US" as it is not American, is not sanctioned by the souls who live in the west, and is strictly the globalists agenda.


NOW more than ever...much love, PEACE, joy, health, and fun to us all!!!!! :grouphug:

I think the world is waking up to the fact that imperialism is fostered by globalists and are not nation state, and hopefully we do not fall for the divisiveness of war and corrupt central banking and debt, and refuse to participate in the globalist bankster imperialism.

[SilentFeathers]

If this is true, something "big-time" could be in the works!


All Israeli embassies and consulates closed worldwide first time, FM stops its work due to strikes – trade union
http://israelforeignaffairs.com/all-israeli-embassies-and-consulates-closed-worldwide-first-time-fm-stops-its-work-due-to-strikes-trade-union

Israel just beefed up all it's air defenses too recently, they say due to this missing jet, coincidence? hmmmm

PS: It's hard not to be a little concerned with so many rather large (and strange/dangerous) events going on right now.

[Cidersomerset]

The Truthseeker: Media 'staged' Syria chem attack (E36)

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Published on 23 Mar 2014


BBC 'total fabrication from beginning to end' of Syria 'atrocity'; call to revoke visas
for intel agents posing as reporters in NATO targets; CIA caught infiltrating CNN,
and Operation Mockingbird is back.

Seek truth from facts with UK Member of Parliament George Galloway; Illinois
University Professor of International Law Francis Boyle; investigative reporter John
Helmer; ordinary Syrians; and Ukraine covergirl 'Julia'.

Read the full transcript http://on.rt.com/r4608l

[T Smith]

Alex Jones repackages news events into his own brand of science 'fact'-ion. As long as it scares his listeners so that they order more stuff from his sponsors. I can't believe you use any of his 'sources'.

ABC, NBC, CNN et. al (aka mainstream media) fashion the public perception, news and reality itself (a complete fabrication) to feed its sponsors,-- er, it's owners -- i.e. the military/pharma/security industrial complex.

I have no problem with Alex Jones selling vitamins, supplements, and alternative information. No one is forcing anyone to buy these products. But of course, none of us have this choice when it comes to the ultimate product the mainstream media is pushing. Not only are we forced to adapt to the brand of reality they create, we are force fed their product. We all buy it, with our sweat, blood, tears, and hard earned money (and some of the unfortunate among us with the price of our very lives) whether we want it or not.

[Cidersomerset]

Referendums are either illegal or legal depending on who has the final word !!

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'Most lawyers wouldn't argue that Kosovo is unique unless they work for govts'

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Published on 23 Mar 2014


Watch the full show here http://youtu.be/2G0DdTufPHI
The breakaway of Kosovo demonstrated that secession has little to do with international law
or morality and everything to do with politics and power. But the same sponsors of that violent
event now call Crimea's self-determination illegal and immoral. Is it a case of double standards?
Do world powers prefer the legal ambiguity surrounding secession to justify their incongruent
positions? Oksana is joined by Associate Professor of International Relations at Macquarie
University, Dr Aleksandar Pavkovic, to debate these issues.

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Venice Referendum: Crimea encouraged vote to take place

Published on 23 Mar 2014

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Hot on the heels of Crimea breaking away from Ukraine, the Italian city of Venice
has voted for independence from Rome. An overwhelming 89 percent of Venetians
voted for going it alone, in a referendum... and the city could now start withholding
taxes from the Italian government. Local professor Paolo Bernardini spoke to my
colleague Bill Dod, and broke down the reasoning for the historic move.

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Spanish government condemns 'illegality' of Catalonia's plans for a vote on independence

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Published on 13 Dec 2013

The Spanish government has vowed not to authorise a referendum to decide if Catalonia will become...


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Scotland are having there third vote in 35 years....

Scottish Independence: a decade-long debate

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Published on 9 Mar 2014

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Wimbledon champion Andy Murray may be keeping out of it. But as the
debate around Scottish independence heats up, Gary Gibbon looks back
at the history of the movement. .Sign up for Snowmail, your daily preview
of what is on Channel 4 News, sent straight to your inbox,
here: http://mailing.channel4.com/public/sn...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Romney stepped forward to say Obama didn't read Putin's possible response correctly...

Putin's response to sanctions, was dump the dollar and freeze all payments to Western Bankers for loans given to the Russian state...

time to start a new banking system...


"The most important point to understand is that this war and looting policy is not in the interest of the Europeans or even of the Americans.

This is the big secret that now cannot be covered anymore. The governments of the US and the European countries are NOT independent entities, they are not sovereign. They do not have the will or even the ability to act on behalf of their people. They are controlled by powerful banking interests. They have been taken over by two financial centers that do not care for the real economy. They pursue only speculation and looting.

In response on March 4th the economic adviser to Putin, Sergey Glazyev declared openly that if the financial vultures persisted, Russia would create on the spot an independent financial system which is separate from that of the US Dollar.

Glazyev explained to the vampires:

‘We have wonderful economic and trade relations with our Southern and Eastern partners. We will find a way not just to eliminate our dependence on the US but also profit from these sanctions….If sanctions are applied against Russia’s state structures we will have to move into other currencies and create our own settlement system. We will be forced to recognize the impossibility of repayment of the loans that the US banks gave to Russian state structures. Indeed, sanctions are a double-edged weapon, and if the US chooses to freeze our assets, then our equities and liabilities in dollars will also be frozen…’

This strategy is known as the Financial Nuclear Option. It could lead to the end of the predatory looting system of Wall Street.

The ‘Southern and Eastern partners’ Glazyev is talking about are clearly the members of the BRICS, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, the sane part of the world economy, the future.

And it is exactly what the official spokesman of the Kremlin, Dmitry Peskov indicated in an interview to the BBC:

“Sanctions against Russia could be the final trigger that will force many countries to create a new independent financial system based on the real economy. The world is changing rapidly. How many civilizations grew and died in the course of history? Who will be able to resist the pressure of dying systems and indicate to the people the road toward the future?”

The possibility of a new financial system independent from the collapsing dollar empire, as consequence of anti Russia sanctions was also emphasized by an authoritative the Russian media including RT. (See:http://rt.com/op-edge/russia-switches-to-brics-sanctions-357/)

…Western sanctions might push Russia to deepen cooperation with BRICS states, in particular, to strengthen its ties with China, which will possibly turn out to be a big catastrophe for the US and the EU some time later... link (http://linkis.com/shar.es/FMEU4)"


Israel is standing in a pretty rough position being forced to back a Neo Nazi Government with NATO and by doing so Putin/Russia are being forced to end the Fed...

if Obama keeps this up, Ron Paul might even crack a smile...

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Brazil's President Dilma Rousseff, India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Russia's President Vladimir Putin, China's President Xi Jinping and South African President Jacob Zuma pose for a photo after the BRICS leader's meeting at the G20 summit on September 5, 2013 in Saint Petersburg.(AFP Photo / Sergei Karpukhin )

[bearcow]

My 2 cents on Crimea:

Putin totally caught the west off guard when he made the move to annex Crimea. He has outflanked them and the west currently have few options. Putin subverted their original plans, things are not going as planned for the west. I believe the west has formed a response that they will enact this week. They are building their short position against Russian equities and will inflict some pain that way, but because the Russian stock market has one of the cheapest valuations of any index, they will only be able to do that for the short term. It must be remembered that the Ukraine has very little effect on the world economy. Putin has no incentive or need to use tactical nuclear weapons, he just has to make sure he protects his assets in Crimea. If he was going to invade Ukraine, he would have done it by now.

[Robin]

I'm going to go ahead and post this article here (bold is mine). What the bloody hell is going on? It is ridiculous to believe that Syria is launching a space program in the middle of Civil War and global conflict for "scientific research" purposes. Hmmmm....





Why is Syria launching a space program during a civil war? (http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/21/5532702/syria-announces-space-program-as-civil-war-rages)




This week, as the civil war in Syria entered its fourth year, the government of President Bashar al-Assad announced plans to create the country's first space agency. The state-run SANA news agency did not indicate what kind of projects the Syrian Space Agency will undertake, saying only that they will be "of a scientific and research nature," nor did it specify how much it would cost to start up. The goal, it said, is to use "space technology for exploration and observing the Earth."

But there are doubts about the government's ability to launch a space program in the middle of a civil war that has ravaged Syria's economy and forced many of its best scientists to seek refuge in other countries. More than 140,000 people have been killed since unrest broke out between the Assad regime and various rebel groups in March 2011, and about 2.5 million have fled the country, according to estimates from the United Nations. Peace negotiations between the government and opposition groups ended in deadlock earlier this year, and the violence has shown no signs of letting up.

"SYRIA'S INTEREST MAY BE PRACTICAL OR SYMBOLIC."

The war has had a devastating effect on the Syrian economy, as well, eroding the value of the country's currency and shrinking its GDP by 40 percent, according to a UN report published last year. Many factories and other infrastructure have been destroyed or damaged, and oil revenue dramatically declined after rebels seized critical fields.

This week's announcement may be an attempt by government leaders to quell fears over its limping economy; during the same cabinet session, the country's prime minister insisted that Syria's economic situation remains stable and that attempts to stabilize its currency were effective. But a strong economy isn't always a prerequisite for launching a space program. As the Washington Post notes, low-income countries like Nigeria and Ukraine have established space agencies, and emerging powers like China and India have invested heavily in space missions, as well. Not all programs shoot for the moon, either; only 12 out of the roughly 70 space agencies in the world have launch capabilities.

"Syria's interest in a space agency may be practical or symbolic," says Mariel Borowitz, an assistant professor and space policy expert at Georgia Tech. She adds that the program could be used for a wide range of domestic purposes — including satellites for communication and disaster response — or could simply be "a source of prestige" for the country at a time of crisis. And even with Syria's ongoing economic problems, Borowitz notes that it wouldn't be expensive for the country to set up a very small agency, as countries like Ecuador and Portugal have.

SYRIAN STUDENTS FACE "VIOLENCE, KIDNAPPING, AND TORTURE."

Syria's proposed space agency would likely remain small, considering the country's evaporating academic community. Many universities have been destroyed over the course of the war, and professors and students have been either killed or forced to fight with the government or opposition groups. Countless others have fled to refugee camps in Jordan and other neighboring countries, often without the resources needed to continue their education. Human rights activists estimate that some 35,000 students have left the country since the war began.

"Students and scholars are isolated in war-ridden cities or remote villages where schools and universities have been bombed, occupied by military and rebel forces and left as strategic targets of opposing sides of the conflict," says Daniela Kaisth, vice president of the nonprofit Institute of International Education (IIE). The New York-based IIE has in recent years been working to help relocate Syrian professors and researchers to other countries, away from the dangers they face at home.

"Many of the students and scholars we hear from do not have valid passports or permission to leave the country," Kaisth adds. "Those who are able to travel within Syria must navigate hostile checkpoints, and many students and scholars have reported horrific instances of targeted violence, kidnapping, and torture."

[Kimberley]

I'm going to go ahead and post this article here (bold is mine). What the bloody hell is going on? It is ridiculous to believe that Syria is launching a space program in the middle of Civil War and global conflict for "scientific research" purposes. Hmmmm....

[QUOTE]


Why is Syria launching a space program during a civil war? (http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/21/5532702/syria-announces-space-program-as-civil-war-rages)

[I][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT]This week, as the civil war in Syria entered its fourth year, the government of President Bashar al-Assad announced plans to create the country's first space agency. The state-run SANA news agency did not indicate what kind of projects the Syrian Space Agency will undertake, saying only that they will be "of a scientific and research nature," nor did it specify how much it would cost to start up. The goal, it said, is to use "space technology for exploration and observing the Earth."
http://www.fearus.org

Wouldn't it great if this is Keshe's "Space Agency?

[Operator]

I'm going to go ahead and post this article here (bold is mine). What the bloody hell is going on? It is ridiculous to believe that Syria is launching a space program in the middle of Civil War and global conflict for "scientific research" purposes. Hmmmm....





Why is Syria launching a space program during a civil war? (http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/21/5532702/syria-announces-space-program-as-civil-war-rages)




This week, as the civil war in Syria entered its fourth year, the government of President Bashar al-Assad announced plans to create the country's first space agency. The state-run SANA news agency did not indicate what kind of projects the Syrian Space Agency will undertake, saying only that they will be "of a scientific and research nature," nor did it specify how much it would cost to start up. The goal, it said, is to use "space technology for exploration and observing the Earth."

But there are doubts about the government's ability to launch a space program in the middle of a civil war that has ravaged Syria's economy and forced many of its best scientists to seek refuge in other countries. More than 140,000 people have been killed since unrest broke out between the Assad regime and various rebel groups in March 2011, and about 2.5 million have fled the country, according to estimates from the United Nations. Peace negotiations between the government and opposition groups ended in deadlock earlier this year, and the violence has shown no signs of letting up.

"SYRIA'S INTEREST MAY BE PRACTICAL OR SYMBOLIC."

The war has had a devastating effect on the Syrian economy, as well, eroding the value of the country's currency and shrinking its GDP by 40 percent, according to a UN report published last year. Many factories and other infrastructure have been destroyed or damaged, and oil revenue dramatically declined after rebels seized critical fields.

This week's announcement may be an attempt by government leaders to quell fears over its limping economy; during the same cabinet session, the country's prime minister insisted that Syria's economic situation remains stable and that attempts to stabilize its currency were effective. But a strong economy isn't always a prerequisite for launching a space program. As the Washington Post notes, low-income countries like Nigeria and Ukraine have established space agencies, and emerging powers like China and India have invested heavily in space missions, as well. Not all programs shoot for the moon, either; only 12 out of the roughly 70 space agencies in the world have launch capabilities.

"Syria's interest in a space agency may be practical or symbolic," says Mariel Borowitz, an assistant professor and space policy expert at Georgia Tech. She adds that the program could be used for a wide range of domestic purposes — including satellites for communication and disaster response — or could simply be "a source of prestige" for the country at a time of crisis. And even with Syria's ongoing economic problems, Borowitz notes that it wouldn't be expensive for the country to set up a very small agency, as countries like Ecuador and Portugal have.

SYRIAN STUDENTS FACE "VIOLENCE, KIDNAPPING, AND TORTURE."

Syria's proposed space agency would likely remain small, considering the country's evaporating academic community. Many universities have been destroyed over the course of the war, and professors and students have been either killed or forced to fight with the government or opposition groups. Countless others have fled to refugee camps in Jordan and other neighboring countries, often without the resources needed to continue their education. Human rights activists estimate that some 35,000 students have left the country since the war began.

"Students and scholars are isolated in war-ridden cities or remote villages where schools and universities have been bombed, occupied by military and rebel forces and left as strategic targets of opposing sides of the conflict," says Daniela Kaisth, vice president of the nonprofit Institute of International Education (IIE). The New York-based IIE has in recent years been working to help relocate Syrian professors and researchers to other countries, away from the dangers they face at home.

"Many of the students and scholars we hear from do not have valid passports or permission to leave the country," Kaisth adds. "Those who are able to travel within Syria must navigate hostile checkpoints, and many students and scholars have reported horrific instances of targeted violence, kidnapping, and torture."

Perhaps try another interpretation ... Syria had plans to start a space agency some years ago and
were heavily delayed by a foreign instigated civil war.

What I suspect will happen in a couple of years is that one of those space agencies will attempt to
travel to the moon or Mars, like Mars One have a manned flight to Mars in 2023. When this all turns
out not feasible or catastrophic if they try this using the 'oversized firecrackers' method the USA has
some difficult questions to answer what happened during the sixties and seventies ...
One way or another I think that an enforced 'disclosure' is becoming inevitable in the years ahead.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Assad his hoping to finish his escape pod to be one of the first to join Iran's moon colony...

Hezbollah is already up there setting up camp...

speaking of which, don't forget, Lebanon is the step before Iran...

20,000 rockets will be raining down on Israel if they attack Iran first...

Net&yahoo is nuts to think differently...

Iran will finish the agreement on nuclear energy long before Israel finishes cleaning up the neighborhood...

now there is another way...

everyone take a deep breath,

the ones wanting to start this war, already have a foot in the grave, they won't even live long enough to see if their efforts made a difference...

did the world just hop a timeline of terror, a false flag attack that would have killed billions?

did flight MH370 get left on the other timeline when we hopped?

can we abort the plans of these lunatics with our knowing it will never be? :thumb:

[Nine]

This is a wonderful thread....

Spent some time with my relatives...Zionists they are to a man....

Talked about the newest "Endeavor" our gubbernment is in to....


Does not Mr. Jones call it an information war?

Now we have little fear that I saw on the evening news and huge fear upon the blogosphere...upon the internet....

Well some here say that there is some parasite feeding upon our fears and war is a big one....for fear...

Well some say its all about energy and when that energy runs out? A solution that they want to do....more energy if there are less people and of course for them only....

Well I guess its everyman on to himself.....

I wonder if there will be a war? But I simply think not....

Well, I hope for the best....

Nine

[Violet]

Some crucial updates from this (broader) region:

Ukraine: neonazism action sparking (where were they during the revolution :confused:) (article (http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-colored-revolutions-swastikas-and-the-threat-of-world-war-iii/5374625))

Netherlands: Extreme right movement PVV scores in local elections and subsequently asks its voters - while being filmed by public television - if they would like less Moroccans (and they all shout: yes, less) and that party leader is going to fix this for them. (article (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/21/dutch-xenophobe-geert-wilders-echoes-goebbels-infamous-1943-speech.html))

Belgium: Local extreme right movement VB copies the Dutch event with minor modifications. (video + snippet (http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/videozone/nieuws/politiek/MV_140323_VlaamsBelang) (please run an auto-translate on it, many thanks))


France: Extreme right Front National scores massively in first round of local elections. (article (http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/buitenland/1.1918715) (auto-translate))

[Buck]

Assad his hoping to finish his escape pod to be one of the first to join Iran's moon colony...

Hezbollah is already up there setting up camp...

speaking of which, don't forget, Lebanon is the step before Iran...

20,000 rockets will be raining down on Israel if they attack Iran first...

Net&yahoo is nuts to think differently...

Iran will finish the agreement on nuclear energy long before Israel finishes cleaning up the neighborhood...

now there is another way...

everyone take a deep breath,

the ones wanting to start this war, already have a foot in the grave, they won't even live long enough to see if their efforts made a difference...

did the world just hop a timeline of terror, a false flag attack that would have killed billions?

did flight MH370 get left on the other timeline when we hopped?

can we abort the plans of these lunatics with our knowing it will never be? :thumb:

We took it up notch when Fukushima hit- redirecting the jet-stream to avert an impending radiological disaster, damping earthquake signatures, relocating tectonic pressure points. Some of us focused on various pressure points in the Gaia spectrum, others moved into the etheric battle front, into position to engage and redirect the momentum of the dark cabal, we have gone on to altering chemtrails as they are dispersing, remapping our own biology, redirecting the momentum attaching itself to a variety of apocalyptic scenarios, re-imaging nation-state timelines-

Avalon ground crew; we are just getting warmed up :)

[araucaria]

@violet post #178
I wouldn’t worry too much about the National Front in the French municipal elections. It is a party that people are ashamed to have anything to do with. It does well in elections because you can vote in secret. But they have a dire shortage of ‘suitable’ candidates, because you cannot stand for election without being totally unashamed, or for re-election without having done something right. We have already seen a few FN-run municipalities that have proved objectively to be disastrous. A few more such and people will finally understand it is simply not going to work.

Such things are a mere distraction in comparison with the work of Vladimir Putin. Since Hillary Clinton is the one calling him the ‘new Hitler’, obviously he is not that – more like Hugo Chavez on steroids, at the head of what was and is rapidly rebecoming a superpower. He has had huge popular backing for years. So did Hitler for a while you may say: Flash’s video explains why this comparison is ludicrous. There is a world of difference between acting for the people, with the people acting as one through an individual, and a dictatorship manipulating popular feeling for its own nefarious agenda.

The quote below is something I posted the other day on Jiminii’s private subforum. I am reposting it here for the benefit of non-subscribers. It looks at the longer-term historical picture of how positive things happen when political leaders are momentarily forced to take a back seat. What we have this time around is rather better. We have one world leader operating in this direction, so that things can be made to happen not only from the grassroots, but also, for once, from the top. But even if that were not so, and Putin were not himself a force for positive change, the positive change would happen anyway.


Hi Jim, it's always good to hear your news. This thread should be on the main forum. As I recall, Bill said this subforum would not last five minutes. It has lasted a lot longer than that, and I think its status deserves reviewing.

The things you describe about World War 3 not happening are actually of course 'just' the later stages of a situation that has really been developing since the end of World War 2. Although the plan is claimed to have been from the outset to set Islam against Zionism, the struggle to avoid this war has taken different routes that have sometimes been partly sabotaged. That Albert Pike document seems to be a forgery as it contains various anachronisms. More likely, this plan was developed gradually as other ideas were thwarted, and back-dated to look as though everything was under control, which it never has been.

For example, the European Coal and Steel Community, ancestor of the European Union, was founded back in 1951 primarily to foster Franco-German relations and thereby make yet another European war impossible – in which it was hugely successful. The very idea of a Franco-German conflict has become totally unthinkable, and that I think was not planned for. Another organization that has been much more effective than is sometimes recognized is the United Nations. Although rogue elements have used the UN to further their agenda, this alliance of nations has done a great deal of peace-keeping over the years, and the principle of this institution is certainly a good one that some would like to destroy along with peace itself among nations.

So the logical goal of peaceful forces is one-world government. However the very idea has become anathema to many, because they see it in the distorted terms of government as it is currently practiced. I have a book from 1981 called The Final Decade: Will We Survive the 1980s? by Christopher Lee. In his conclusion, part of his cause for pessimism seems with thirty years hindsight as our cause for optimism:


Average Man, blessed as he is with a naïve common sense, might timidly suggest that, while he may not care for the Soviet system, that would seem little reason for a war. He might go further and use the centuries-old argument that he is sure that, if the politicians would step aside for one moment, both he and Vladimir could quite happily get along with each other. He is probably right. However the world has yet to throw up the leaders who are able to put these sentiments into practice. In those thirty years, ‘Vladimir’ has changed from being the Russian man in the street to the man in the Kremlin, so maybe the world has now thrown up the leaders who are able to put these sentiments into practice.

I have another book, from 1995, called The War that Never Was: The Fall of the Soviet Empire 1985-1991, by David Pryce-Jones. In his introduction, the author sums up the peaceful collapse as follows:

Force and will had combined here on a scale without precedent. Right up to its deathbed, the Soviet Union was a superpower, with over 4 million men under arms, vast garrisons stationed from East Germany to the China frontier, a thousand warships in commission, and the largest and most lethal arsenal ever assembled, capable of destroying the globe many times over. In the crunch, such military might was none the less powerless to protect the ideological construct of communism, or even to deflect changes of historic magnitude – the sort of change normally resulting from war. Events in the Soviet Union from 1985 to 1991 amounted toThe War that Never Was. He talks of the ‘miracle’ of German reunification. He describes how Gorbachev wanted to make the Soviet system more efficient, only to destroy it, and how ‘those from President Bush downwards in a position to influence American politics and public opinion appear with hindsight to have been dragged uncomprehending in Gorbachev’s wake. Lack of active participation in the Soviet downfall had the one great merit of preventing the birth of legends of the stab-in-the-back variety, whereby communists could blame their own defects on the warmongering capitalists.’

In other words, the politicians were forced to ‘step aside for one moment’, and that was enough to achieve the miracle and get the job done. No one in particular seems to have done anything in particular. This is how collective miracles work. What’s different today? It’s America’s turn, that’s all.

[Alekahn2]

Reflecting this morning upon all the views and information on this thread and humanities current geo-political, global economic/military dominance drama which is unfurling at this moment in relative history (aka~the potentiality of WWlll or lV depending on perspective), there was music playing in the background. And what should 'randomly' play, but this dated, yet still immensely powerful and relevant song:

VPFdbKLUmQk

"And there's a shadow on the faces
of the men who send the guns
to the wars that are fought in places
where their business interests run...

There's a shadow on the faces
of the men who fan the flames
of the wars that are fought in places
where we can't even say their names.

I want to know who the men in the shadows are,
I want to hear somebody asking them WHY.
They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are,
but they're never the ones to fight or to die...

And there are lives in the balance..."

Indeed so. May we keep exploring the shadows, within and without.
May we who are on the spectrum of human awakening, keep fervently asking WHY.
The ones who "fan the flames" shall one day be revealed for ALL to witness.
May it be so.

[Gerald Paris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vDgdcXnY9M

[Rocky_Shorz]

Putin Announces Historic G-1 Summit

MOSCOW (The Borowitz Report) — Russian President Vladimir Putin made history today by scheduling the first-ever summit of the newly formed group of nations called the G-1.

http://www.stupid-idiots.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/putin3.jpg


Update:


Foreign Ministry goes on strike, all Israel's embassies and consulates abroad to close
By HERB KEINON
03/23/2014

Services needed for everybody from new immigrants to employers bringing in foreign workers will be brought to a halt.

Foreign Ministry Protest banners on Foreign Ministry building in Jerusalem: The fight for home starts abroad...

Foreign Ministry’s workers committee declared a full-fledged strike on Sunday, closing the ministry and all the country’s embassies and consulates around the world for the first time...
link (http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Foreign-Ministry-goes-on-strike-all-Israels-embassies-and-consulates-abroad-to-close-346223)

if Ben is right and they are going underground, will a 777 appear out of the blue and hit a closed embassy? or by doing this did they just foil someone's plans?

did they empty the embassy to prevent the attack, just by no longer being a target?

would Israel be finally getting tired of the cabal's manipulations too?

[Raven]

thank you for that music alekhan2 -very moving and poignant - many of us have been at least partially awake for a long time - let's win this time

[Violet]

Araucaria, thanks for the information. Looks like some interesting bookreads listed there. I read a headline that adds to the FN victory but I don't remember it exactly. Will check later.

As for now, a few more interesting updates (possibly mentioned, forgive me if so, have not read everything through):
- President of US pays rare visit (http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/03/us_president_obama_pays_90_min.php) to the Netherlands, end destination The Hague, also home of the International Criminal Court (www.icc-cpi.int). But pit stop in Amsterdam first with a remark from the president about the painting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Nightwatch_by_Rembrandt.jpg) on the background being the most impressive background to have had for a press conference so far. This is the story in short of that painting by Rembrandt, called Nachtwacht/Night Watch or Alias: The Shooting Company of Frans Banning Cocq:


The painting was completed in 1642, at the peak of the Dutch Golden Age. It depicts the eponymous company moving out, led by Captain Frans Banning Cocq (dressed in black, with a red sash) and his lieutenant, Willem van Ruytenburch (dressed in yellow, with a white sash). With effective use of sunlight and shade, Rembrandt leads the eye to the three most important characters among the crowd, the two gentlemen in the centre (from whom the painting gets its original title), and the small girl in the centre left background. Behind them, the company's colours are carried by the ensign, Jan Visscher Cornelissen.

Rembrandt has displayed the traditional emblem of the Arquebusiers in the painting in a natural way: the girl in yellow dress in the background is carrying the main symbols. She is a kind-of mascot herself: the claws of a dead chicken on her belt represent the clauweniers (arquebusiers); the pistol behind the chicken stands for 'clover'; and, she is holding the militia's goblet. The man in front of her is wearing a helmet with an oak leaf, a traditional motif of the Arquebusiers. The dead chicken is also meant to represent a defeated adversary. The colour yellow is often associated with victory.

Another interpretation proposes that Rembrandt designed this painting with several layers of meaning, as was common among the most talented artists. Thus, the Night Watch is symmetrically divided, firstly to illustrate the union between the Dutch Protestants and the Dutch Catholics, and secondly to evoke the war effort against the Spaniards. For instance, accordingly to Rembrandt's multilayered design, the taller Captain (in black) symbolizes the Dutch Protestant leadership, loyally supported by the Dutch Catholics (represented by the shorter Lieutenant, in yellow). Moreover, all characters of this painting were conceived to present double readings.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_Watch)


- the rare visit follows the renewed G7 conference which was traditionally a G8 (but now minus Russia) and no longer held in Russia, obviously. It was previously held in Sotchi, well well.

- Next G7 conference scheduled to take place in Brussels (http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=DMF20140324_01039037) (please, run auto-translate) (so already it's decided that 7 will remain 7 and not be restored to 8 when sanctions are still being discussed and have not even been applied or having had any effect to concessions from Russia.)

- Notice also that the Netherlands were one of the few European countries that positively answered the Olympics invitation and sent their royals (http://netherlandsherald.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/king-willem-alexander-putin-beer.jpg) to Sochi. Another irony it is that the previously G8 conference is now taken out of Russia and moved to the very country of the only Western European king/leader that cared to answer the Olympics invitation. Germany, France, UK and Belgium boycotted (http://nieuws-uitgelicht.infonu.nl/sport/124070-wie-boycotten-openingsceremonie-sotsji-2014.html) (see table below) Sotchi.

- Belgium preparing for visit, we're next (http://www.flanderstoday.eu/politics/obamas-waregem-visit-confirmed).

- Penultimately, the sevens do add up this month.

- And ultimately, did anybody notice how the meeting yesterday started with a "Your Majesty (http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documenten-en-publicaties/toespraken/2013/08/28/toespraak-rutte-bij-het-100-jarig-bestaan-vredespaleis.html)" by the Dutch Prime Minister? Was that directed to Obama? If I'm not wrong the Dutch king was not there...

[araucaria]

Araucaria, thanks for the information. Looks like some interesting bookreads listed there. I read a headline that adds to the FN victory but I don't remember it exactly. Will check later.

The FN gains were largely due to the current deliquescent state of the 'moderate' right on account of a whole string of scandals. This is a good thing because the situation can no longer be brushed under the carpet. See here:

[Rocky_Shorz]

hmmm Dutch shell called in Obama to say its ok to let Putin have Crimea as long as Exxon/Shell get their oil rights...

no war, just oil rights for the black sea and they get to continue on their $500B investment with Putin in the Arctic...

as part of the agreement, drop the sanctions on Russia and the Federal Reserve can keep printing air...


now some might be saying with this field, there is no need for any middle east oil...

which means they can start the war they've been planning on...

[naste.de.lumina]

-------

Many thanks to all for this most interesting and highly intelligent discussion. Avalon at its best, for sure.

Do continue! But here's a little aside (and this may deserve its own thread, I think):

Last night I watched the PBS documentary feature, The Man Who Saved The World (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2208342/Soviet-submariner-single-handedly-averted-WWIII-height-Cuban-Missile-Crisis.html). This is a most extraordinary story, one that's only recently emerged, of the stand-off (as in the Hollywood movie Crimson Tide (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112740/)) in a Russian Nuclear submarine deployed in the Cuban Missile Crisis which back in 1962 brought the world to the brink of war.

The Americans didn't know it, but the subs were armed with nuclear torpedoes as powerful as the bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. One submarine commander, supported by his on-board political officer (who had to consent), gave the order to fire one of the weapons. It would have taken out the entire local US fleet. Such an action would certainly have started World War III, and if that order had been carried out, you and I might not be here reading this now.

One man, and one man alone, the fleet commander (in overall charge of all four submarines in the area), said NO. His solitary intelligence, cool head, courage and vision may well have saved us all.

(Maybe that's what Carmody meant (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69621-Ukraine-Crimea-Syria-Israel-Iran-Putin-and-World-War-III&p=812358&viewfull=1#post812358)... :) )

:focus:

Thanks Bill.

Running away from the topic, if you want to have an idea of ​​what was / is serving in a submarine during a conflict, I suggest watching the movie 'Das Boot'.

'40,000 men were sent out on German U-boats ... 30,000 never returned.'

2iMWb8nEOG4

:focus:

[SilentFeathers]

Interesting choice of words.....


Speaking at a brief news conference in the Hague, President Obama said he's more worried about a loose nuke being detonated in Manhattan than he is about Russia:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-im-concerned-about-loose-nuke-being-detonated-manhattan_786009.html

[Wind]

Interesting choice of words.....


Speaking at a brief news conference in the Hague, President Obama said he's more worried about a loose nuke being detonated in Manhattan than he is about Russia:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-im-concerned-about-loose-nuke-being-detonated-manhattan_786009.html

I don't like that obscure statement one bit.

The astrology for April promises war, but it could also mean a time of great chance. Now is the time to focus on PEACE instead of war. If nukes go off then we all know what it means...

[Violet]

hmmm Dutch shell called in Obama to say its ok to let Putin have Crimea as long as Exxon/Shell get their oil rights...

no war, just oil rights for the black sea and they get to continue on their $500B investment with Putin in the Arctic...

as part of the agreement, drop the sanctions on Russia and the Federal Reserve can keep printing air...


now some might be saying with this field, there is no need for any middle east oil...

which means they can start the war they've been planning on...


I must add that according to the museum director (? could be assistant too) who was invited in a Dutch talk show yesterday following Obama's visit in Amsterdam, claims that the president's visit was announced in January already.

[Rocky_Shorz]

when you take the step to CEO levels of global corps this size, you get to really see who is the shadow government running this world...

now that oil has spoken, Ukraine should settle down quickly...

now, back to concentrating on the middle east...

[naste.de.lumina]

The new Ukrainian democrats.

We're here to politely ask for your vote.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Mob_in_Ukraine_crop3-320x245.jpg


Meanwhile in the happy and prosperous new democracy in the Union European ....

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kHKfJuUvThM

lns96ydEwfQ

http://imguol.com/c/noticias/2014/03/12/12mar2014---o-presidente-barack-obama-a-dir-conversa-com-o-primeiro-ministro-da-ucrania-arseniy-yatsenyuk-a-esq-no-salao-oval-da-casa-branca-em-washington-nos-estados-unidos-1394658119414_956x500.jpg

And the president of democracy without vote, supported by the president without a birth certificate is a Jew?

In a neo-Nazi dictatorship?

Lost completely control of invented stories.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iTHkCJ51NDE/TLwzg1e267I/AAAAAAAAAjo/ETS-8wNSad0/s400/buraco.gif

[Rocky_Shorz]

just tweeted Obama and Putin about the G-1 Summit... :pound:

it's the dang energy hitting us from the last flare...

if they like this thread, they'll love this one... Gnat on a monkey's butt, flight 370 was bigger... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers)

Peace Out!!!


edited to add:

inner peace gives you oneness, outer peace, gives the same to the world...

[Taurean]

Meanwhile life goes on ;-



Soyuz spacecraft launched bound for ISS


A Soyuz spacecraft has been launched in Kazakhstan bound for the International Space Station.

US Astronaut Steve Swanson and cosmonauts Alexander Skvortsov and Oleg Artemyev are safely in orbit.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26741627

[Violet]

when you take the step to CEO levels of global corps this size, you get to really see who is the shadow government running this world...

now that oil has spoken, Ukraine should settle down quickly...

now, back to concentrating on the middle east...

It doesn't look that Ukraine is settling down. I woke up to a headline saying they "will defend themselves"...

[Cidersomerset]

new Thursday 27th March 2014 at 06:48 By David Icke


http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/29505obamanuke_678x320_front.jpg

‘With deliberately-placed words, Obama dropped his own ’bomb’ on the press at the
Nuclear Security Summit in The Hague, raising the prospect of terrorists detonating
nukes in Manhattan.

When asked about his position on Russia and the recent Ukrainian Crisis, Obama
answered that Russia’s influence was localized to their region, and doesn’t
represent a threat to the United States. He then resurrected the specter of terrorism.

“They don’t pose the number one national security threat to the United States,”
Obama said. “I continue to be much more concerned, when it comes to our
security, of the prospect of a nuclear weapon going off in Manhattan.”‘

Read more: Nuke Scare: Obama Warns of ’Loose Nukes Being Detonated in Manhattan’, Plays War ’Mind-Games’ with World Leaders

http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=29506

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Violet]

Referring back to my last link (http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documenten-en-publicaties/toespraken/2013/08/28/toespraak-rutte-bij-het-100-jarig-bestaan-vredespaleis.html) in post #185, it was not only a nuclear summit, apparently it was also the celebration of a 100-years Peace Palace.

Meanwhile the president has left the building and has now joined his wife in Rome as they're scheduled to meet with the pope.

[carryattune]

Assad his hoping to finish his escape pod to be one of the first to join Iran's moon colony...

Hezbollah is already up there setting up camp...

speaking of which, don't forget, Lebanon is the step before Iran...

20,000 rockets will be raining down on Israel if they attack Iran first...

Net&yahoo is nuts to think differently...

Iran will finish the agreement on nuclear energy long before Israel finishes cleaning up the neighborhood...

now there is another way...

everyone take a deep breath,

the ones wanting to start this war, already have a foot in the grave, they won't even live long enough to see if their efforts made a difference...

did the world just hop a timeline of terror, a false flag attack that would have killed billions?

did flight MH370 get left on the other timeline when we hopped?

can we abort the plans of these lunatics with our knowing it will never be? :thumb:

We took it up notch when Fukushima hit- redirecting the jet-stream to avert an impending radiological disaster, damping earthquake signatures, relocating tectonic pressure points. Some of us focused on various pressure points in the Gaia spectrum, others moved into the etheric battle front, into position to engage and redirect the momentum of the dark cabal, we have gone on to altering chemtrails as they are dispersing, remapping our own biology, redirecting the momentum attaching itself to a variety of apocalyptic scenarios, re-imaging nation-state timelines-

Avalon ground crew; we are just getting warmed up :)



Thankyou for your post Buck. I had thoughts running through my mind about Avalon, and our interaction with each other and the world.
I was browsing through the forum and realized that almost every time I was moved to comment.......then I would read a few more posts.........my thoughts were posted by another while I was mulling it over. Now I am not sure of terms for this "group think" but it sure does show the strength of many people looking foreward with their minds on making things better instead of projecting gloom and doom. A fond statement on Avalon is, "As above, so below."
I may be not seeing clearly enough, but it seems to me, that even on this forum there is a mirroring of the worlds struggle, only on a reduced size. Avalon has its own consciousness. Another forest of trees. Just my opinion.
So many times I have said to my family, that often, what we worry about the most, is not, what comes to pass.
I have often thought about time lines splitting, and that you go to the one that matches your own thought stream. Don't know that, obviously, but it seems there have been numerous saves. I hope that things continue to improve, even in small ways. Little changes go unnoticed. Sometimes to be invisible is good.
Like in high school......you don't necessarily want the principal to know who you are.

[heretogrow]

Let's "Group Think" changing this world and this timeline so that each and every person on this planet has a Heavenly Day.
Listen to this with your eyes closed and a heart full of peace and compassion and caring for all. I guarantee when the song is over, your heart will swell and tears will be streaming down your cheeks. You will have no doubt that just our thoughts of love and gratitude can change the world. If enough us believe this. WE WILL. Sorry about the advertisement at the beginning of the video. I don't know how to take that out. But please don't let that deter you from listening or partaking in a group effort to change this current paradigm to a better one.
qVy4w6vq8y8
Much love,
Julia

[carryattune]

Let's "Group Think" changing this world and this timeline so that each and every person on this planet has a Heavenly Day.
Listen to this with your eyes closed and a heart full of peace and compassion and caring for all. I guarantee when the song is over, your heart will swell and tears will be streaming down your cheeks. You will have no doubt that just our thoughts of love and gratitude can change the world. If enough us believe this. WE WILL. Sorry about the advertisement at the beginning of the video. I don't know how to take that out. But please don't let that deter you from listening or partaking in a group effort to change this current paradigm to a better one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVy4w6vq8y8&feature=player_detailpage#t=0
Much love,
Julia

So Sorry. I had trouble embedding the video. Please follow the link if you will. XOXO


Heretofore, I had this same issue in the beginning.....but many members showed me how to bring in the video. It seems you need the URL. Which I could never find. Some of them showed a way around that wrinkle. I email myself the video I want from YouTube. Then I open the email and select copy. Then you go and write your post selecting YouTube from the little icons. A marker appears between you....... And......tube. This is where you paste your copy. Voila. The video appears in your post. There is a practice thread. You might also take a look at,HOW TO EMBED YOU TUBE VIDEOS." It may help. My apologies for going off topic.


Here is the song.........

kWzuLAHnGBQ

[heretogrow]

Thank you so much carryattune! This song gives me HOPE when I am in my most private moments of despair. It lets me know I just need to find that spark inside my heart that has the power to change things for the best. When I listen to it I imagine people of all walks of life reaching out a holding hands across the whole planet.

Bill, I am sorry if I have derailed the thread a bit! I just want us to remember that we are creators too. This is my way of saying to you all that I love you, and to take a breath and carry on.

[Operator]

So Sorry. I had trouble embedding the video. Please follow the link if you will. XOXO

qVy4w6vq8y8

[SilentFeathers]

The parasite digs its fangs in to the Ukraine....those already poor people don't realize they are now gonna be ripped off of everything they have (which probably isn't much) by their "new government saviors" so these loans can be paid back....or should I say; just so the interest on these loans can be paid.

One country after another folk's, when are people gonna wake up to this scam?!?!


The IMF says it will give $14 to $18 billion in loans, which combined with contributions from the international community, will total up to $27 billion for Ukraine in the next two years. Ukraine is expected to enact tough reforms in exchange for the funding.

The IMF's required reforms for Ukraine include a flexible exchange rate, higher energy prices and a restructuring of Ukrainian energy giant Naftogaz.

The reforms will hit the population hard, which could affect support for the interim government.

http://www.voanews.com/content/obama-imf-loan-to-ukraine-is-significant/1880656.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

with the world on the Verge of WW III, Obama meets with the Pope of hope...

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/MWimages/MW-BX668_obama__ME_20140327093542.jpg

Shields up around the leaders...

energy being absorbed and weaved outward - peace to the world...

[Tesseract]

There are two things that I feel may precede or mark a major escalation of the current crisis in Ukraine/Russia and in the Middle East.

The first event would be the resignation of the brilliant Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov. If Putin does something that is overly aggressive, Lavrov will be in the unfortunate position of having to either make embarrassing public defences of Putin’s actions, or resign, a move which would be pounced on by Russia’s NATO enemies and maybe even used as an excuse for NATO involvement. I believe that the only action that might prompt such a resignation would be a sudden invasion of Eastern Ukraine – although the circumstances of the invasion would of course affect any decision by Lavrov.

The other potential harbinger here, and this is the big one, would be a major political or military upheaval in Turkey. I really think that Turkey is a key nation here, one who’s actions will have major consequences in the region and around the globe. In fact it is the recent rise of temperature in that country that is finally leading me to sharing my thoughts in this post here. Firstly, here is a list of key facts and recent events related to Turkey:

1) Is a NATO state, and is the NATO state that is most at risk of a direct strike against it by another country.

2) Shares borders with such volatile nations as Syria, Iraq, Iran and Russia (via the black sea).

3) Is on the cusp or re-normalizing ties with Israel via a compensation deal for the terrorist attack on the Mavi Marmara in 2010.

4) Is about to have a local election [30th March 2014], and general and presidential elections coming up soon.

5) Has been actively assisting Islamic insurgents in Syria, and has also directly target Syrian forces with it’s own weapons.

6) Has a very high level of dissent in the population, market by massive protests a few months ago leading to a number of civilian deaths and many injuries.

7) That dissent has re-emerged after a teenager who suffered injuries from a police weapon finally died in hospital, sparking more protests.
8) Has banned twitter [courts overturned this] and now (apparently, as of today) youtube.

9) Has security services who were secretly recorded planning a false flag event in order to justify massive escalation of Turkish involvement in Syria.

10) Sees itself, at least in the PM’s eyes, as the authority in the region (Ottoman empire..) – an authority that is being constantly undermined by the survival of the Syrian government that Turkey has been trying to destroy for years.

11) Reports that Turkish government (Erdogan in particular) is starting to fall out of favour with Washington (we all know what can happen to him in that event).

12) Possibility that Erdogan will try and extend his role in politics, likely to increase division.

13) Has a history of military involvement in politics/coups (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/04/20124472814687973.html).


The talk of the current Turkish regime trying to organise a false flag in Turkey, and the leaking of this information has made Erdogan livid, is about as alarming as it gets. It's also pretty convenient they are set to restore ties with Israel right at the same time. If Turkey tries to turn the tide of the war in Syria, the results could be catastrophic. Any response by Syria against Turkey would activate the NATO charter – justifying direct NATO involvement in Syria – something NATO countries wish for but can not get public support on. The Syrian theatre itself would probably become a full-scale cross border war – something that the government of Syria would probably not survive. And amongst all of this, what does Iran do? What does Russia do? What about Hezbollah and Israel? In all the chaos will there be a military coup in Turkey? Under most situations, NATO comes out as the big winner – which is why I’m worried that they may let this happen.

Found this today on Erdogan’s future:

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21599819-increasingly-autocratic-prime-minister-losing-touch-voters-and-damaging-his-country


“What might Mr Erdogan do next? He had hoped to stand for president in August, when the term of the incumbent, Abdullah Gul, a co-founder of AK, runs out. Mr Gul, who has avoided clashing directly with Mr Erdogan but made clear his unhappiness with his restrictive laws, could then become prime minister. But recent events have reduced the chances of Mr Erdogan stepping up to the presidency, not least because he has been unable to amend the constitution to give the job greater powers. So he may prefer to let Mr Gul run again and instead scrap the internal AK party rule against any MP running for a fourth term. That would let him stay on as prime minister and perhaps bring forward the general election due next year.”

[Tesseract]

Here is the devastating recording [part 1] of TPTB actively planning their false flag. I hope the people in Turkey are not asleep. I also included a photo of the main bastard here (the foreign minister, Davutoglu) who has long been trying to bring down the Syrian government. You've surely seen his face plenty of times if you have been following events.


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From: http://www.syrianews.cc/leaks-reveal-turkey-using-alqaeda-false-flag-syria/

Translation of first tape
In the leaked tape,

Foreign Minister Ahmet Davudoğlu
Head of Turkish Intelligence MIT Hakan Fidan
Undersecretary of Foreign Ministry Feridun Sinirlioğlu
General Yaşar Güler

search for a reason (and wants to create one if the search is not fruitful) to declare war against Syria. The leakage has two parts, the latter is yet to be translated to English. Here is the first part.

Başçalanın Seçim Güdümlü Savaş Planı 1-1

ELECTION DRIVEN WAR PLANS – I PART 1

Ahmet Davutoğlu: “Prime Minister said that in current conjuncture, this attack (on Suleiman Shah Tomb) must be seen as an opportunity for us.”

Hakan Fidan: “I’ll send 4 men from Syria, if that’s what it takes. I’ll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey; we can also prepare an attack on Suleiman Shah Tomb if necessary.”

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: “Our national security has become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.”

Yaşar Güler: “It’s a direct cause of war. I mean, what’re going to do is a direct cause of war.”


FIRST SCREEN:

Ahmet Davutoğlu: I couldn’t entirely understand the other thing; what exactly does our foreign ministry supposed to do? No, I’m not talking about the thing. There are other things we’re supposed to do. If we decide on this, we are to notify the United Nations, the Istanbul Consulate of the Syrian regime, right?

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: But if we decide on an operation in there, it should create a shocking effect. I mean, if we are going to do so. I don’t know what we’re going to do, but regardless of what we decide, I don’t think it’d be appropriate to notify anyone beforehand.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: OK, but we’re gonna have to prepare somehow. To avoid any shorts on regarding international law. I just realized when I was talking to the president (Abdullah Gül), if the Turkish tanks go in there, it means we’re in there in any case, right?

Yaşar Güler: It means we’re in, yes.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: Yeah, but there’s a difference between going in with aircraft and going in with tanks…
SECOND SCREEN:

Yaşar Güler: Maybe we can tell the Syrian consulate general that, ISIL is currently working alongside the regime, and that place is Turkish land. We should definitely…

Ahmet Davutoğlu: But we have already said that, sent them several diplomatic notes.

Yaşar Güler: To Syria…

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: That’s right.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: Yes, we’ve sent them countless times. Therefore, I’d like to know what our Chief of Staff’s expectations from our ministry.

Yaşar Güler: Maybe his intent was to say that, I don’t really know, he met with Mr. Fidan.

Hakan Fidan: Well, he did mention that part but we didn’t go into any further details.

Yaşar Güler: Maybe that was what he meant… A diplomatic note to Syria?

Hakan Fidan: Maybe the Foreign Ministry is assigned with coordination…

THIRD SCREEN:
Ahmet Davutoğlu: I mean, I could coordinate the diplomacy but civil war, the military…

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: That’s what I told back there. For one thing, the situation is different. An operation on ISIL has solid ground on international law. We’re going to portray this is Al-Qaeda, there’s no distress there if it’s a matter regarding Al-Qaeda. And if it comes to defending Suleiman Shah Tomb, that’s a matter of protecting our land.

Yaşar Güler: We don’t have any problems with that.

Hakan Fidan: Second after it happens, it’ll cause a great internal commotion (several bombing events is bound to happen within). The border is not under control…

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I mean, yes, the bombings are of course going to happen. But I remember our talk from 3 years ago…

Yaşar Güler: Mr. Fidan should urgently receive back-up and we need to help him supply guns and ammo to rebels. We need to speak with the minister. Our Interior Minister, our Defense Minister. We need to talk about this and reach a resolution sir.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: How did we get specials forces into action when there was a threat in Northern Iraq? We should have done so in there, too. We should have trained those men. We should have sent men. Anyway, we can’t do that, we can only do what diplomacy…

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I told you back then, for God’s sake, general, you know how we managed to get those tanks in, you were there.

Yaşar Güler: What, you mean our stuff?

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: Yes, how do you think we’ve managed to rally our tanks into Iraq? How? How did manage to get special forces, the battalions in? I was involved in that. Let me be clear, there was no government decision on that, we have managed that just with a single order.
FOURTH SCREEN:

Yaşar Güler: Well, I agree with you. For one thing, we’re not even discussing that. But there are different things that Syria can do right now.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: General, the reason we’re saying no this operation is because we know about the capacity of those men.

Yaşar Güler: Look, sir, isn’t MKE (Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation) at minister’s bidding? Sir, I mean, Qatar is looking for ammo to buy in cash. Ready cash. So, why don’t they just get it done? It’s at Mr. Minister’s command.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: But there’s the spot we can’t act integratedly, we can’t coordinate.

Yaşar Güler: Then, our Prime Minister can summon both Mr. Defence Minister and Mr. Minister at the same time. Then he can directly talk to them.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: We, Mr. Siniroğlu and I, have literally begged Mr. Prime Minster for a private meeting, we said that things were not looking so bright.

FIFTH SCREEN:

Yaşar Güler: Also, it doesn’t have to be crowded meeting. Yourself, Mr. Defence Minister, Mr. Interior Minister and our Chief of Staff, the four of you are enough. There’s no need for a crowd. Because, sir, the main need there is guns and ammo. Not even guns, mainly ammo. We’ve just talked about this, sir. Let’s say we’re building an army down there, 1000 strong. If we get them into that war without previously storing a minimum of 6-months’ worth of ammo, these men will return to us after two months.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: They’re back already.

Yaşar Güler: They’ll return to us, sir.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: They’ve came back from… What was it? Çobanbey.

Yaşar Güler: Yes, indeed, sir. This matter can’t be just a burden on Mr. Fidan’s shoulders as it is now. It’s unacceptable. I mean, we can’t understand this. Why?

SIXTH SCREEN:

Ahmet Davutoğlu: That evening we’d reached a resolution. And I thought that things were taking a turn for the good. Our…

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: We issued the MGK (National Security Council) resolution the day after. Then we talked with the general…

Ahmet Davutoğlu: And the other forces really do a good follow up on this weakness of ours. You say that you’re going to capture this place, and that men being there constitutes a risk factor. You pull them back. You capture the place. You reinforce it and send in your troops again.

Yaşar Güler: Exactly, sir. You’re absolutely right.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: Right? That’s how I interpret it. But after the evacuation, this is not a military necessity. It’s a whole other thing.

SEVENTH SCREEN

Feridun Siniroğlu: There are some serious shifts in global and regional geopolitics. It now can spread to other places. You said it yourself today, and others agreed… We’re headed to a different game now. We should be able to see those. That ISIL and all that jazz, all those organizations are extremely open to manipulation. Having a region made up of organizations of similar nature will constitute a vital security risk for us. And when we first went into Northern Iraq, there was always the risk of PKK blowing up the place. If we thoroughly consider the risks and substantiate… As the general just said…

Yaşar Güler: Sir, when you were inside a moment ago, we were discussing just that. Openly. I mean, armed forces are a “tool” necessary for you in every turn.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: Of course. I always tell the Prime Minister, in your absence, the same thing in academic jargon, you can’t stay in those lands without hard power. Without hard power, there can be no soft power.

EIGTH SCREEN

Yaşar Güler: Sir.

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: The national security has been politicized. I don’t remember anything like this in Turkish political history. It has become a matter of domestic policy. All talks we’ve done on defending our lands, our border security, our sovereign lands in there, they’ve all become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.

Yaşar Güler: Exactly.

Feridun Siniroğlu: That has never happened before. Unfortunately but…

Yaşar Güler: I mean, do even one of the opposition parties support you in such a high point of national security? Sir, is this a justifiable sense of national security?

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I don’t even remember such a period.

NINTH SCREEN:

Yaşar Güler: In what matter can we be unified, if not a matter of national security of such importance? None.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: The year 2012, we didn’t do it 2011. If only we’d took serious action back then, even in the summer of 2012.

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: They were at their lowest back in 2012.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: Internally, they were just like Libya. Who comes in and goes from power is not of any importance to us. But some things…

Yaşar Güler: Sir, to avoid any confusion, our need in 2011 was guns and ammo. In 2012, 2013 and today also. We’re in the exact same point. We absolutely need to find this and secure that place.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: Guns and ammo are not a big need for that place. Because we couldn’t get the human factor in order…

[Tesseract]

Here is your pathetic Fox News coverage of this amazing expose:


The ban comes after an alleged audio recording of a meeting between the Turkey's foreign minister, intelligence chief and top military and foreign ministry officials was leaked on YouTube. The four are allegedly heard discussing a military intervention in Syria.

Notice that the BIG STORY here is the Youtube ban, the 'alleged' conversation is just a minor aside and gets a perfunctory inclusion. The false flag and deception aspect is not even mentioned.

Now let's look at CNN:


The Turkish government said its YouTube block came as a response to the leak of a conversation between top government officials purportedly discussing the possibility of going to war with neighboring Syria.

Again the BIG STORY here is the youtube ban. The 'purported' discussion again gets a perfunctory inclusion, with no mention of the false flag.

A keyword search on either network's homepage gets 0 hits for the word Turkey, I found the CNN article way down the page of their world news section. Similar for Fox, although they seem to have removed the article entirely now.

Sorry for preaching to the converted..

[SilentFeathers]

The other potential harbinger here, and this is the big one, would be a major political or military upheaval in Turkey. I really think that Turkey is a key nation here, one who’s actions will have major consequences in the region and around the globe.

I completely agree with this statement, Turkey is a very major player right now on many possible fronts.

[Violet]

That's interesting because our news presented us with a recent study conducted over Europe to measure the use of tobacco and where it had in-/decreased or remained the same. In the listing Turkey scored better than Belgium and the first thing I thought was: Since when do we include Turkey in studies about European affairs?

It was weird. When we get the OESO studies that measure European educational matters we don't hear of Turkey.

[Flash]

I agree with Turkey being important, this is why i thought Bill's post should be translated into Turkish, but I know nobody you could do it.

[SilentFeathers]

Turkey is basically aligned with the west. Also a NATO member...but it wouldn't take much for them to be pushed in another direction IMO. I consider Turkey extremely unpredictable.

[Tesseract]

Translation of part 2: [please read in full]
From: https://eksisozluk.com/entry/41519736
And video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lm7eg0-IjlI
I don’t speak Turkish so I take this translation at face value.

hakan fidan: we sent around 2000 trucks loaded with supplies.

yaşar güler: i think guns aren't needed there. my own opinion. ammo is needed. yes sir. mr. minister, mr. hakan (fidan) is here, we said we can give a general. mr. fidan himself asked for it himself in the first place. we said we can. we designated the general, and that general went.
feridun sinirlioğlu: if we need to be practical, minister of defense should sign for the sake of this nation. our prime minister should give the order once more, clearly.

ahmet davutoğlu: actually to me, tonight…

yaşar güler: sir, we don’t have any problems tonight.
feridun sinirlioğlu: the order for the operation is already given for tonight.

yaşar güler: we delivered the immediate order for the operation. perhaps mr. fidan also knows.

ahmet davutoğlu: hakan, what is the complications if we decide to send tanks?

hakan fidan: well, without coordination, if we consider the power balance…

yaşar güler: this is why we ask for the mit’s coordination mr. minister.

hakan fidan: …not with the presence and capacity of armed men.

yaşar gülen: this is why we take for the coordination of mit as the prerequisite mr. minister. that is, there is nothing tonight that you should be concerned of mr. minister. not tonight, not later. but we need to solve this issue in the long run mr. minister.

ahmet davutoğlu: i always think optionally about that thing, but we couldn’t convince those men. we will insert- strengthen with tanks from inside. from that point on we need to consider the war conditions -and between doing that and declaring war-, we are doing an operation.

yaşar güler: this is reason to war (casus belli). what we will do is directly a reason to war.

hakan fidan: not a reason to war with syria.

yaşar güler: no, these men.

hakan fidan: what i am coming at is; now, we know that 2 plus 2 makes 4. now, if we, there, that thing there does not signify anything strategically, if not the positive image etc… if we are to enter a war,
let’s plan it and enter. i mean, …

yaşar güler: this is also what we are saying since the beginning.

hakan fidan: what i cannot accept is this; not that i take… now, we consider to use force, for the tomb of suleyman sah we consider using guns, which means, for a part of homeland with size of about this room, 10 decares of land, we run the risk of using guns, for the 22-28 soldiers there. well, we have thousands of kilometers border, and yet we don’t risk it for the lives of millions of people. look, this is not reasonable! let me say this. if we are going to use guns, let us do it from very the beginning. if these men are a threat…

feridun sinirlioğlu: well, there is a reason to that…

hakan fidan: using this as a justification is another thing. the other is different..

yaşar güler: well, our ministry of foreign affairs can never find a reason to the latter, but for this yes…

hakan fidan: wait, let me tell you this…

ahmet davutoğlu: just between us, prime minister said that this (attacking the tomb of suleyman sah) should also be considered as an opportunity in this conjuncture

hakan fidan: sir, look, if the justification- we can- i can send four men to the other side, and make them fire 8 missiles to deserted territory. it is not a problem! justification can be created. problem is such a will should be put forward. we are putting forward the will to enter into a war, but we fail in reasoning.

feridun sinirlioğlu: let me tell you this, 10 decares of land. 10 decares of land is a very valid justification according to the international law, additionally, in terms of legitimacy, making such an operation against isil, the whole world will be behind us. do not even doubt this.

yaşar güler: no, we do not have any doubts.

feridun sinirlioğlu: no, i am telling this to everyone. on that matter-

yaşar güler: mr. minister, our forces there have been ready for a year, waiting. this is not a precaution we took yesterday, these men are there for a year.

hakan fidan: why we are still waiting for the tomb of suleyman sah, i don’t get this.

ahmet davutoğlu: we did, we did everything diplomatically possible.

feridun sinirlioğlu: we need a justification, a good justification.

hakan fidan: no, i can fabricate a justification, justification is not a problem.

feridun sinirlioğlu: no, fabricating justification is another, there is a very solid justification

hakan fidan: if necessary, we can make an attack there (tomb of suleyman sah) as well, there too, we attack preemptively. we can do, i mean, i am trying to understand.

feridun sinirlioğlu: we have done these before, these can be done of course. we can make it done,

hakan fidan: i mean, if we are ready to use that thing, in correct time and place, let us do it with a purpose determined by us.

ahmet davutoğlu: hakan, as you said, if what you mean is a lack of strategy in fabricating a justification, you are right. against these men…

an officer: sir, without that happening-
ahmet davutoğlu: yes, we will pass on to that okay take it and i am coming. you cannot say to the us secretary of state, "we need to take strong measures."

hakan fidan: well, sir, what i am saying is-

ahmet davutoğlu: then he will say, you did not even defend your own land. we had many friendly conversations, mostly with kerry and he told me exactly this, did you decide to strike and …

yaşar güler: sir, we did, we did a hundred times. with us…

feridun sinirlioğlu: well, look, three days ago, a thing happened at the office of general chief of staff, this thing came up and they had a coordination meeting. i see that for the first time. the americans-

yaşar güler: no, we do it regularly!
feridun sinirlioğlu: no, no.. the americans in that meeting distributed the plans for the no fly zone. for the first time. do you know that?

hakan fidan: hmm, what i underline is, sir, if we are going to take such an important decision for this sort of reason, sulayman sah tomb, if we are ready to take this decision
feridun sinirlioğlu: no, not only suleyman sah.

hakan fidan: i say this thing, if we are ready to make this decision, we should have taken this already. because of the threat and the benefits we have, this is what i am trying to say. as a state, inability, the strategic decision-

ahmet davutoğlu: yes, if we could have taken that decision in a smaller scale then we would not be isolated as today.

yaşar güler: no, wait, we took this decision,

hakan fidan: but it is not implemented.

yaşar güler: we cannot implement the decision, we are paralyzed for various reasons, this is our problem mr. minister. the apparatus of the state is not working.

ahmet davutoğlu: i don’t accept that, let me tell you clearly, i turn to my side of the matter, for the state tradition i was brought in. would you accept this; in the ministry of foreign affairs, certain political debates are causing lags in the processes…

ahmet davutoğlu: now, such a thing would not be legitimate! everyone should do their responsibilities with determination. if an ambassador says, mr. minister they are taking me off duty they are taking everyone off, what do you do? we say, let you take your retirement and we will find someone else to do it, don’t we? this is the way to look at it. this is how democracy works..

yaşar güler: mr. minister, you are completely right

ahmet davutoğlu: currently, the state is run only through a few agencies and a few people who are able to make proper decisions, this i

yaşar güler: certainly sir, certainly

ahmet davutoğlu: well, are we going to back down from this

yaşar güler: no, we will not back down sir, we will not

ahmet davutoğlu: anyway, let’s pass on to the other side.

[Tesseract]

I just saw something so incredible and absurd I almost exploded.

1) Fox has, as far as I can tell, deleted their original story that mentioned (briefly) the secret recording that exposed the plans for a contrived excuse to invade Syria, including the option of manufacturing some event.

2) Fox news is now running an article that innocently 'explains' that there is suddenly a jihadist threat to this little Turkish part of Syria, and any attack on it might prompt Turkey to invade. This article is planting in the minds of the reader that some event may occur and Turkey may be forced to act. AS IF THIS WHOLE SCENARIO WERE NOT PRE-PLANNED, AND AS IF THAT EXACT PLAN HAD NOT ALREADY BEEN LEAKED. The article also COMPLETELY FAILS to mention the damning recording, instead mentioning a different recording altogether as some kind of decoy.

So, Fox is actively encouraging this scripted escalation of the war to go ahead.

Someone shoot me in the head.

Link here if you think this is too absurd to be true:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/28/jihadist-threat-against-sacred-turkish-tomb-threatens-to-widen-syria-war/

[bennycog]

I imagine most of those higher up in the MSM would have got a pineapple for almost exposing the actual truth in the first place.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I guess page 11 is a good place to bring this up...

3/11/11 had a meaning to the date of the Japanese earthquake...

now, III years later, III days before III/11 a flight loaded with a dirty bomb was in route for China, aimed at bringing them into the war along with Russia...

I have a feeling, the attack was once again planned for III/11, why is having big disasters so important to a certain group on that date?

Sorcha's Latest...


A stunning new report prepared by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) circulating in the Kremlin today leaves no doubt as to why President Barack Obama warned this week that his greatest fear was not Russia, but rather a nuclear bomb being exploded in the heart of New York City, as it reveals that the pilot of the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah [photo 2nd left], was a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) “asset” whose plane was carrying the “dirtiest bomb known to have ever been constructed.”

According to this report, and as we had previously reported, Flight 370 was already under GRU “surveillance” after it received a “highly suspicious” cargo load that had been traced to the Indian Ocean nation Republic of Seychelles, and where it had previously been aboard the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama.

What first aroused GRU suspicions regarding the MV Maersk Alabama was that within 24-hours of off-loading this “highly suspicious” cargo load bound for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the two highly-trained US Navy Seals assigned to protect it, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances.”

Both Kennedy and Reynolds were employed by the Virginia Beach, Virginia-based maritime security firm The Trident Group which was founded by US Navy Special Operations Personnel (SEAL’s) and Senior US Naval Surface Warfare Officers and had long been known by the GRU to protect vital transfers of both atomic and biological materials throughout the world.

The GRU, likewise, had reported that this “highly suspicious” cargo, after it was unloaded from the MV Maersk Alabama, on 17 February, was then transferred to Seychelles International Airport where it was loaded on an Emirates flight bound for Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) in Malaysia, after first stopping over in Dubai.

Prior to Flight 370 entering the People Liberation Army (PLA) protected zones of the South China Sea known as the Spratly Islands after its 8 March departure from KLIA, the GRU had previously reported, it “significantly deviated” from its flight course and was tracked by VKO satellites and radar flying into the Indian Ocean region and completing its nearly 3,447 kilometer (2,142 miles) flight to the Diego Garcia atoll.

Critical to note about Flight 370’s flight deviation, GRU experts said, was that it occurred during the same time period that all of the Spratly Island mobile phone communications operated by China Mobile were being jammed.

As to why Flight 370 was diverted to Diego Garcia, the GRU reported it was initially “puzzled” about, that is until 16 March when it reported that top disease scientists from both the US and China were flown there, and on 21 March reported that the “highly suspicious” cargo aboard the plane had been transferred to the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico where it was then destroyed in a “massive explosion.”

Important to note, this new GRU report says, is that Diego Garcia has long been a “prime target” for adversaries of the US due to its being the location from where the wars against Iraq and Afghanistan were directed, and its being the one of the CIA’s most feared “black sites” of torture and abuse of prisoners.

Most “gravely concerning” about Flight 370, this new GRU report says, was that its Captain, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, was discovered to have in his home a flight simulator containing The Flight Termination System (FTS) which allows an aircraft to be remotely controlled, as well as landing instructions for Diego Garcia.

The FTS, the GRU notes, is a fully redundant turn-key range safety and test system for remote control and flight termination of airborne test vehicles that consists of a Command Transmitter System (CTS) and custom control, interface, and monitoring subsystems. The system is fully programmable and is flexible enough to meet the changing requirements of today's modern test ranges, its manufacturer, System Planning Corporation (SPC) says.

Critical to note about the FTS manufacturer SPC, this report says, is that it was once headed by the mysterious American “war hawk” Dov Zakheim who many still believe was one of the masterminds behind the 11 September 2011 attacks upon the US, and who in a 2000 position paper titled Rebuilding America's Defenses which called for “a New Pearl Harbor.”

NOTE: In a document called “Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century” published by The American Enterprise’s “Project for a New American Century”(1), System Planning Corporation (SPC) International executive, Dov Zakheim, called for “some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor” being necessary to foster the frame of mind needed for the American public to support a war in the Middle East that would politically and culturally reshape the region. A respected and established voice in the intelligence community, his views were eagerly accepted, and Dov went from his position at Systems Planning Corporation to become the Comptroller of the Pentagon in May 2001. Perhaps not so coincidentally, it was an SPC subsidiary, TRIDATA CORPORATION, that oversaw the investigation after the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993.

As to Captain Shah’s complicity in the destruction of Flight 370, this report continues, GRU assests have confirmed his being targeted by a CIA “honey trap” which destroyed his marriage and left him in “no state of mind to be flying.”

This GRU report further confirms Malaysian investigators discovery that Captain Shah received a two-minute call shortly before the take-off of Flight 370 from this CIA “honey pot” using a mobile phone number obtained under a false identity.

As to the course of Flight 370 once it left KLIA, the GRU says, it is “nearly assured” that Captain Shah disabled the communication systems and “activated” the FTS allowing the US Navy to divert it to Diego Garcia, but only after it had ascended to nearly 44,000 feet where “undoubtedly” all of the other passengers and crew were killed by asphyxiation.

After the “highly suspicious” cargo Flight 370 was carrying was offloaded in Diego Garcia, GRU analysts in this report say, its “most likely” tragic ending occurred around 3,218 kilometers (2,000 miles) off Diego Garcia, which is part of Britain’s Indian Ocean territory, where it was deliberately destroyed as evidenced by the over 300 objects spotted in this region by a Thai satellite.

As to what exactly the “highly suspicious” cargo aboard Flight 370 was this report doesn’t say, other than to note that due to the extraordinary, and deadly, lengths the US went through to obtain and then destroy it most likely could have been the “dirtiest bomb known to have ever been constructed.”

Also left unanswered in this report is who within the US is responsible for all of these events, as the GRU says it is “highly unlikely” that Obama was even “in the loop” regarding it... link to story (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1758.htm)

[Gerald Paris]

This makes me sick.

[araucaria]

Turkey is a member of the European soccer federation UEFA, and so btw is Israel. Turkey has had ties with the European Union since way before the EU came into being. Its highly controversial application to join was filed in 1987.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

[raregem]

Turkey is basically aligned with the west. Also a NATO member...but it wouldn't take much for them to be pushed in another direction IMO. I consider Turkey extremely unpredictable.
Babylon.com has a an English to Turkish translator. Best I could figure it is $39.00 for the full translator. Maybe $10.00 month full use. Not sure.

[Flash]

Welcome to America!!


I just saw something so incredible and absurd I almost exploded.

1) Fox has, as far as I can tell, deleted their original story that mentioned (briefly) the secret recording that exposed the plans for a contrived excuse to invade Syria, including the option of manufacturing some event.

2) Fox news is now running an article that innocently 'explains' that there is suddenly a jihadist threat to this little Turkish part of Syria, and any attack on it might prompt Turkey to invade. This article is planting in the minds of the reader that some event may occur and Turkey may be forced to act. AS IF THIS WHOLE SCENARIO WERE NOT PRE-PLANNED, AND AS IF THAT EXACT PLAN HAD NOT ALREADY BEEN LEAKED. The article also COMPLETELY FAILS to mention the damning recording, instead mentioning a different recording altogether as some kind of decoy.

So, Fox is actively encouraging this scripted escalation of the war to go ahead.

Someone shoot me in the head.

Link here if you think this is too absurd to be true:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/28/jihadist-threat-against-sacred-turkish-tomb-threatens-to-widen-syria-war/

[Rocky_Shorz]

so how many think after Turkey announced a false flag attack on themselves, will NATO countries accept defending them...

at this point if any attack happens it will be considered a lie...

we already knew Fox's warmongers are frothing at the mouth for a new war, but what about the rest of the world who have brains to analyze what we already know?

[jackovesk]

PUTIN LAUGHS IN THE FACE OF A STUPID JOURNALIST

'Bad Vlad' is so bad-ass! Watch how he reacts when the ass-clown interviewer suggests that NATO missile systems in Eastern Europe are directed towards Iran, not Russia.

THIS is how lowlife Western Yellow Journalist / Propagandists should be treated - WITH ZERO RESPECT!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ux3oiWELIQ&feature=player_embedded
http://www.tomatobubble.com/putin_laughs.html

[Flash]

I am starting to like the guy, just because he dares to confront western brain washing propaganda - not to say that Russians are usually better, which history tells us they aren't, nor Chinese by the way.

[Operator]

so how many think after Turkey announced a false flag attack on themselves, will NATO countries accept defending them...
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To be honest ... Dutch military is already there for over a year protecting them with Patriot missile systems
as a NATO based operation. ;):o

[Rocky_Shorz]

sitting on defense systems is different than attacking to protect...

will NATO allow themselves to be brought into a war with Syria, or will they demand they stay a peacekeeping roll?

[Flash]

sitting on defense systems is different than attacking to protect...

will NATO allow themselves to be brought into a war with Syria, or will they demand they stay a peacekeeping roll?

Someone wrote on a site that he was with the American forces and would be back from Syria in a few weeks. I did not know there were American troops in Syria. Anyone knows about this??

[Frank V]

sitting on defense systems is different than attacking to protect...

will NATO allow themselves to be brought into a war with Syria, or will they demand they stay a peacekeeping roll?

Someone wrote on a site that he was with the American forces and would be back from Syria in a few weeks. I did not know there were American troops in Syria. Anyone knows about this??

There are many places where there are but should not be any US American troops, Flash, so I'm not surprised. In fact, the Russians have announced about a week ago that they've captured a US Navy SEAL in Crimea. The USA, the UK and the Israelis have agents and undercover operatives all over the planet. How do you think most of these insurrections and civil wars get started? Syria, Libya, Sudan, Ethiopia, Georgia, former Yugoslavia, Chechnya, Uganda, Rwanda - the list goes on.

In addition to that, officially Belgium also never got involved in the invasion of Iraq - we did and still do have troops over in Afghanistan - but I know for a fact that some of our Special Forces units have indeed been active in Iraq, probably under direct orders from NATO.

[Violet]

sitting on defense systems is different than attacking to protect...

will NATO allow themselves to be brought into a war with Syria, or will they demand they stay a peacekeeping roll?

Someone wrote on a site that he was with the American forces and would be back from Syria in a few weeks. I did not know there were American troops in Syria. Anyone knows about this??

There are many places where there are but should not be any US American troops, Flash, so I'm not surprised. In fact, the Russians have announced about a week ago that they've captured a US Navy SEAL in Crimea. The USA, the UK and the Israelis have agents and undercover operatives all over the planet. How do you think most of these insurrections and civil wars get started? Syria, Libya, Sudan, Ethiopia, Georgia, former Yugoslavia, Chechnya, Uganda, Rwanda - the list goes on.

In addition to that, officially Belgium also never got involved in the invasion of Iraq - we did and still do have troops over in Afghanistan - but I know for a fact that some of our Special Forces units have indeed been active in Iraq, probably under direct orders from NATO.

Which is probably why choosing sides has become a wiz matter.

[Violet]

Who recorded that Turkish conversation?

[Tesseract]

Who recorded that Turkish conversation?

I don't know, but no one could be more eligible for a peace prize...

[Tesseract]

Reports coming in that 8 people were killed in Turkey during the election on Sunday - and this was just a local election... Not getting a lot of attention in the MSM naturally enough. That country looks like it's going to explode. I don't think anyone was killed in the Crimea poll, and look how that was portrayed..

[Violet]

Who recorded that Turkish conversation?

I don't know, but no one could be more eligible for a peace prize...

What options are there?
- It was a tap.
- It's standard procedure to keep official recordings which are subsequently classified.
- ...

[Limor Wolf]

I watched this video Kerry Cassidy posted yesterday and wrote down my thoughts. I have every reason to believe that these are more than just my own direct thoughts. Saying that, I will post it here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH0eHekt84g
Putin's current role is to create identification of the population with one leader and by that to deepen the polarity as well as to keep us in the never ending loop of a ping pong game that is known to be played by (and with) our 'leaders'. They use Putin to express what's going on and put it on the surface for the sake of their future moves and future spins. the illusions of sides is always working well and is a known trap that was made to answer our secret wishes that there is someone there in a position to make an impact who is caring for us. From one testimony young Putin was being trained by CIA, who knows, for what it matters, he is not a white dove carrying an olive branch in his mouth. These political actors, knowingly or not, are programmed to give their replicas, to take a stand which is all part of the intricacy of the Matrix we live in. his expression of support in the UN is the same old game play as was orchastrated with the public in the times of Obama's first elections. We need to spot that and disattach our energy from their energy ciruitory, since more than anything it is a frequency battle. It will all be rising to the surface in the near future to allow us to see where we live in, what is the nature of this reality and the deception involved in most of the aspects of our lives, from the tiniest to the grandest so we can get outside of our limited situation to the broader perspective where we have the potential to be equal participants. The reason they are pushing people's buttons is because it is so easy to be pushed. this is our (collective) program to be released from.

A story was published in the Israeli media last week, (there are many former Russian citizens in this country) about Putin's childhood teacher - an old and quite lovely lady who was Putin's high school teacher ("he was a shy, quiet and serious high school senior") who now resides in Israel, she had not only met with him when he was in Israel, but he also 'secretly' bought her a new flat to live in which made the public opinion about him conditioned to it's favour. The timing of this news item does not leave any room for doubt about the political games going on.

We must remember that these energies who are pulling the strings are not only a masters in technology, but masters in human psychology, in manipulations of perceptions and behaviour. Very few at this time can understand this to the core.

With regards to the NWO plans for WWIII that about to tie the global reality into one bundle, Russia is putting a facade that - 'we don't want to participate and be armed with destructive weapon, but as others do then we also must..' This is done again for the sake of further conditioning of the public opinion towards WWIII as simply being 'inevitable'. They are using some psychological means on the mainstream public as much as on the alternative media which are all working too well. That is, unless we somehow manage to internalize and disattach.

Blessings ~

Limor

[blufire]

...................................................................................

World War III has already begun and has been raging for a few years now.

The goal and outcome of this war is the One World system.

People keep waiting for a war such as wars of the past with bombs, soldiers on the ground and massive fire fights. There will be some of this in the years to come as the One World system is implemented.

This is a war of totally different mechanisms . . . information, technology, etc and oppression and manipulation as we have never seen before . . . . . .

The next 25 years or more will be extremely difficult for those who don’t understand that we are already in WWIII and what this means for regular people.

All religions, governments, social structures, all current financial systems . . . anything that defines each country as its own and each countries culture and heritage has to be androgynized and marginalized and ultimately obliterated for this new system to be fully implemented.

Look around folks . . . . you can see this taking place now and rapidly increasing.

As you wait for the ‘world wars of the past’ to begin you are being ushered into the New World system and molded and manipulated as a ‘citizen’ for this new way of living.

There is a choice to be made and few will make that choice . . . . .few will even understand the precipice we are leaning over . . . . and I include most of us right here on PA.

Stop being side tracked by the meaningless things such as this invasion into Ukraine or a missing airplane . . . . look at the bigger overall picture and strategize how you will move forward and confront the future.


“If you are not riding out to meet your Destiny you will be stampeded by Fate”. author unknown

[ThePythonicCow]

I watched this video Kerry Cassidy posted yesterday and wrote down my thoughts. I have every reason to believe that these are more than just my own direct thoughts. Saying that, I will post it here.Thank-you, Limor.

Putin made this speech on 10 Feb 2007, at the 43rd Munich Conference on Security Policy (http://www.net-security.org/conference.php?id=203). The transcript (translated into English) of this speech is available at various places, including the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/12/AR2007021200555.html).

My hunch is that we are not likely to endure a major World War III, but that fear of such, along with other fears, is being used to "persuade" humanity in the directions intended by the bastards in power.

[Tesseract]

For the last few days there have seen some rumours going around online that Jonathan Pollard may be released from prison. Israel has been quite hopeful of achieving this result since the democrats took power in the US. At times it has even seemed that they (Israel) have held back on certain actions in order to not jeopardize any potential early release for Pollard - who has been in prison for 27 years.

The story is now hitting the MSM, and the official version is that this is all to do with coaxing Israel into putting more effort into the peace process with Palestine. I certainly don't believe that. Without Pollard playing the role of hostage, what will the apartheid regime in Jerusalem do next? I can't help but wonder if this is a part of a secret deal related to future dealings with Iran, something like - if the US gives Israel Pollard, and maybe a couple of other things, then Israel will deal with Iran on its own.

Personally I think that 27 years in prison is too long and I support his release, but I am highly suspicious of the motive.

[Rocky_Shorz]

sitting on defense systems is different than attacking to protect...

will NATO allow themselves to be brought into a war with Syria, or will they demand they stay a peacekeeping roll?

Someone wrote on a site that he was with the American forces and would be back from Syria in a few weeks. I did not know there were American troops in Syria. Anyone knows about this??

There are many places where there are but should not be any US American troops, Flash, so I'm not surprised. In fact, the Russians have announced about a week ago that they've captured a US Navy SEAL in Crimea. The USA, the UK and the Israelis have agents and undercover operatives all over the planet. How do you think most of these insurrections and civil wars get started? Syria, Libya, Sudan, Ethiopia, Georgia, former Yugoslavia, Chechnya, Uganda, Rwanda - the list goes on.

In addition to that, officially Belgium also never got involved in the invasion of Iraq - we did and still do have troops over in Afghanistan - but I know for a fact that some of our Special Forces units have indeed been active in Iraq, probably under direct orders from NATO.



U.S. Navy SEALs carried out an overnight raid on the Somali seaside home of a leader of the al-Qaeda-linked group al-Shabab, U.S. officials said Saturday, an operation that suggests how worried Washington has become about the threat posed by an organization that recently launched an attack on a shopping mall in neighboring Kenya.

A U.S. official said the aim of the raid, which took place Friday, was to take a “high-value” al-Shabab militant into custody, but the militant was not seized...

wouldn't you hate being a militant carried away but officially - not seized?


“U.S. personnel took all necessary precautions to avoid civilian casualties and disengaged after inflicting some al-Shabab casualties,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a covert operation. “We are not in a position to identify those casualties.”

Separately, another U.S. official confirmed that the United States was involved in an operation in Libya on Saturday to capture a member of al-Qaeda who is suspected of involvement in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

Nazih Abdul-Hamed al-Ruqai, a Libyan known by the alias Anas al-Libi, was detained in Tripoli. A second American official said Washington intends to bring Ruqai to the United States to stand trial... link to story (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-navy-seals-raid-al-shabab-leaders-somalia-home-in-response-to-nairobi-attack/2013/10/05/78f135dc-2e0c-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html)

[sheme]

I see on RT TV news they did a special about how wonderful China is- this was positively ingratiating -and left one in no doubt who Russia is reaching out to, India was also singled out for special mention.
Poking The Bear by trying to isolate it from it's southern Port had inevitable consequences, Let us hope that Putin is a wise man who's 'credentials' hang free.
I object to foreign interference in another country designed to stir up political unrest.

[Flash]

i read years ago that the targets of the Cabal and one world order was to have 5 world régions which were, pretty much the five continents. And each region would have local autonomy within a global agenda.

It seems that we are going pretty much in this direction.

[MalteseKnight]

.....Maybe the Russians ought to pepper bomb Ukrainian fields with Heritage seeds....in order thwart Monsanto's ambitions on the Ukraine's food production...:p

Just tell me that the following video does not contain illuminati predictive programming...the girl runs away from Russia only to get hit by a Citroen representing Europe...i.e. the flowers represent the Ukraine.

XjwZAa2EjKA


I wonder what you guys think,

Regards to all,

MalteseKnight

[ThePythonicCow]

Here is the devastating recording [part 1] of TPTB actively planning their false flag.
See a very different take on this report from Sibel Edmonds of Boiling Frogs Post that I just posted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69902-Turkish-government-blocks-YouTube-in-desperation&p=817733&viewfull=1#post817733).

[bearcow]

I'll say this again regarding Ukraine and Crimea, Putin is setting the agenda and has the west totally off balance. The West has severe sanctions ready to be inflicted on Russia's economy, but it seems they dont want to use them. Companies like Exxon have a big presence in Russia and it is likely they would be caught in the economic crossfire. It seems Putin is willing to derail his economy in order to achieve his territorial objectives. The west is not, so they are at a disadvantage.

[MalteseKnight]

Dear All

I know that this may be off topic but this might be useful to put the present Crimea situation into historical perspective. Below is a Battlefield series documentary covering the World War II Crimea campaign. The Battle field series is perceived as being high quality by the Chinese so much so that many episodes were dubbed into Chinese and rebroadcast on State television networks of the People's Republic of China.
d_TjE_EYYE4

Am posting just in case someone could find this illuminating,

Maltese Knight

[Flash]

Dear All

I know that this may be off topic but this might be useful to put the present Crimea situation into historical perspective. Below is a Battlefield series documentary covering the World War II Crimea campaign. The Battle field series is perceived as being high quality by the Chinese so much so that many episodes were dubbed into Chinese and rebroadcast on State television networks of the People's Republic of China.
d_TjE_EYYE4

Am posting just in case someone could find this illuminating,

Maltese Knight

This is such a great video, no Wonder it was dubbed into Chinese and presented to the Chinese population. To better understand the moves Russia is actually doing.

THE FIRST 5 MINUTES EXPLAINS ALL THE REASONS FOR RUSSIAL TO TAKE OVER CRIMEA. Except that this times, instead of beign the Nazi that are counteracted, it is the Western world and the USA/Israel. Reasons all explained within the first 5 minutes.

You want to go to bed less dumb and understand international politics, listen to the first 5 minutes.

[Rocky_Shorz]

US sending 2 warships to Japan to counter NKorea...


TOKYO (AP) — U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel delivered a two-pronged warning to Asia Pacific nations Sunday, announcing that the U.S. will send two additional ballistic missile destroyers to Japan to counter the North Korean threat, and saying China must better respect its neighbors.

In unusually forceful remarks about China, Hagel drew a direct line between Russia's takeover of Ukraine's Crimea region and the ongoing territorial disputes between China, Japan and others over remote islands in the East China Sea.

"I think we're seeing some clear evidence of a lack of respect and intimidation and coercion in Europe today with what the Russians have done with Ukraine," Hagel told reporters after a meeting with Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera. "We must be very careful and we must be very clear, all nations of the world, that in the 21st century this will not stand, you cannot go around the world and redefine boundaries and violate territorial integrity and sovereignty of nations by force, coercion and intimidation whether it's in small islands in the Pacific or large nations in Europe." link (http://news.yahoo.com/us-sending-2-warships-japan-counter-nkorea-052718259--politics.html)



http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/xJl7v7lg.7QaPS34T9n2xA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTgwMDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz0xMjc1/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2014-03-31T052816Z_1512288749_GM1EA3V0XG001_RTRMADP_3_KOREA-NORTH.JPG
Amphibious assault vehicles of the South Korean Marine Corps throw smoke bombs as they move to land on shore during a U.S.-South Korea joint landing operation drill in Pohang March 31, 2014. The drill is part of the two countries' annual military training called Foal Eagle, which began on February 24 and runs until April 18. North Korea declared a no-sail warning on Monday for areas off its west coast near a disputed border with South Korea and has notified the South that it will conduct firing drills, a South Korean government official said. The warning comes amid heightened tensions surrounding the North after the U.N. Security Council condemned Pyongyang for its mid-range missile launches last week, just as the leaders of South Korea, Japan and the United States met to discuss the North's arms programme. (REUTERS/Kim Hong-Ji)

[Hervé]

Thousands of Ukrainian soldiers in Crimea apply for Russian citizenship (http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_04/Thousands-of-Ukrainian-soldiers-in-Crimea-apply-for-Russian-citizenship-1252/)

4 April, 21:24

http://cdn.ruvr.ru/2014/04/04/1504854703/9RIAN_01066748.LR.ru.jpg
Photo: RIA Novosti


Most Ukrainian soldiers on service in Crimea voiced their wish to join the Russian Armed Forces and they were granted this opportunity, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on Friday.


"As of today over 8,000 of these soldiers have submitted paperwork to get Russian passports. Around 3,000 of them have already been assigned duties. We now have to create conditions for their speedy adjustment to serving in the Russian army," Shoigu said at an off-schedule ministerial meeting.

The Russian defense minister also stated that the Ukrainian soldiers could easily leave Crimea to return to Ukraine.

The majority of Ukrainian soldiers willing to continue serving in the Armed Forces of Ukraine have left Crimea leaving behind some 400 people responsible for combat equipment withdrawal, said Vitaliy Yarema, Ukraine's first deputy prime minister of the interim government in Kiev, as he spoke to the press on Friday.

He didn't give a specific deadline for the complete removal of troops and machinery out of Crimea.

"I cannot say for sure, as it depends on a number of factors such as the pace and transport availability and the functioning of the railroad as well. But as of today there is nothing to hinder the process," he added.

The autonomous republic of Crimea held a referendum on March 16 to decide on the status of the autonomy. The official result of the referendum was a 97 percent vote "in favor" of integrating the region into the Russian Federation with an overwhelming voter turnout of 83 percent.

Russia's President Vladimir Putin signed the federal law ratifying the agreement between the autonomous republic of Crimea and the Russian Federation to join Russia on March 21. Although widely denounced by the West, Russia welcomed the results of the referendum, proclaiming it fully legitimate in accordance with the international law.

Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_04/Thousands-of-Ukrainian-soldiers-in-Crimea-apply-for-Russian-citizenship-1252/

[Wind]

If people want to prevent a global war with their prayers, meditations and intents... I think that now would be really good time for that. I'm interested to know if we truly can give peace a chance in intense times like this?


Mars, the God of War happens in April as Mars is in Libra, and he goes retrograde on March the 1st and stays retrograde until May 17th, 2014. Mars is the planet of assertion, aggression, anger, sex, how you get your needs met, how you go after what you want, competition, sports, war and combat. When Mars goes retrograde, then his energies get repressed, and that's when people can explode. But when I say people, I don't think we should limit out selves to that mindset as astrology also impacts the Earth.

In mid April, the Uranus Pluto square becomes exact, and Jupiter also arrives in to make it an exact t-square. Mars comes in to make it an exact degree grand cross. All the planets will be at 13.5 degrees of cardinal signs.

Because of the degrees of each of these four planets and their energy being released at the same time, this is a rare event.

April 20th is the start of its most intense phase with the Moon in Capricorn, which triggers the whole thing, and then its on April the 22nd when Mars moves into its exact position and squares the already existing exact T-square.

This period of time in April is said to be the most volatile and intense period of time of the last few years.

Because of the planets involved, such events which can be expected are earth changes, extreme weather, war or some form of military conflict and even acts of terrorism. The planets involved here are all in cardinal signs and cardinal signs are action signs. For our personal lives, this time period is said to be about major change as well.

http://www.transients.info/2014/02/cardinal-grand-cross-of-april-2014.html

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[AlaBil]

Dear All

I know that this may be off topic but this might be useful to put the present Crimea situation into historical perspective. Below is a Battlefield series documentary covering the World War II Crimea campaign. The Battle field series is perceived as being high quality by the Chinese so much so that many episodes were dubbed into Chinese and rebroadcast on State television networks of the People's Republic of China.
d_TjE_EYYE4

Am posting just in case someone could find this illuminating,

Maltese Knight

This is such a great video, no Wonder it was dubbed into Chinese and presented to the Chinese population. To better understand the moves Russia is actually doing.

THE FIRST 5 MINUTES EXPLAINS ALL THE REASONS FOR RUSSIAL TO TAKE OVER CRIMEA. Except that this times, instead of beign the Nazi that are counteracted, it is the Western world and the USA/Israel. Reasons all explained within the first 5 minutes.

You want to go to bed less dumb and understand international politics, listen to the first 5 minutes.

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You are absolutely right about how the first 5 minutes of this video demonstrates the importance of Crimea. I'm listening to the remainder of the video now, but thanks a bunch for finding this and putting it up. G

Another great resource provided by this forum!

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this is from April fools day, but no one is laughing...


What do former Vice President Dick Cheney, billionaire megadonor Sheldon Adelson, and Republican activists and funders talk about—and applaud—when they're behind closed doors at a Las Vegas hotel? Bombing Iran.

This past weekend, the Republican Jewish Coalition held its spring leadership meeting at Adelson's Venetian hotel, where several possible 2016 contenders, including ex-Gov. Jeb Bush and current Govs. Chris Christie, Scott Walker, and John Kasich, showed up to kiss the ring of the casino magnate, who's looking to bankroll a viable Republican presidential candidate. Though the heavy-on-Israel speeches of the White House wannabes were open to the press, the keynote address delivered by Cheney on Saturday night was off-limits to reporters and the public. But Mother Jones has obtained a recording of Cheney's talk, during which he once again derided President Barack Obama on foreign policy, blasted the isolationists within his own party, assailed critics of the National Security Agency, and seemingly endorsed the idea of an Israeli strike against Iran.

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Speaking about the possibility of Iran developing a nuclear weapon, Cheney dismissed Obama's negotiations with Tehran, and he recalled a dinner meeting he had in 2007 with Israeli General Amos Yadlin. Yadlin had flown in the Israeli Defense Force's mission in 1981 that destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor, and he was the country's military intelligence chief in 2007 when the Israel Defense Forces obliterated Syria's nuclear reactor in the Deir ez-Zor region. Recalling his conversation with Yadlin, Cheney said, "He looked across the table over dinner, and he said, 'Two down, one to go.' I knew exactly what he meant."

"One to go" was an obvious reference to bombing Iran's nuclear program. The crowd responded approvingly with laughter and applause. (Last October, Adelson publicly proposed that the US drop a nuclear bomb in the Iranian desert to show Tehran what will happen to Iran if it develops nuclear weapons.) Link to Audio... (https://soundcloud.com/mother-jones/dick-cheney-on-iran-republican)

story link (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/dick-cheney-sheldon-adelson-speech-bomb-iran)

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Donetsk activists proclaim region's independence from Ukraine

Published time: April 07, 2014 10:07
Edited time: April 07, 2014 12:42

Pro-Russian activists guard a barricade set at the Ukrainian regional Security Service building on the eastern city of Donetsk on April 7, 2014.(AFP Photo / Alexander Khudoteply)

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In the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk, a group of activists have declared their region independent from Kiev. This comes after protesters stormed a local government building last night.

Mass demonstrations against the country's new leadership started peacefully on Sunday, but the situation quickly escalated.

Pro-Russian protesters in Donetsk have seized the local power building, including the headquarters of the Security Service of Ukraine and proclaimed the creation of a People’s Republic of Donetsk.

Ukraine’s police and security services have not interfered, although officials in Kiev are threatening punishment for the rioters.

Protesters have erected barricades around the Council building.

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Pro-Russian activists guard a barricade set at the Ukrainian regional Security Service building on the eastern city of Donetsk on April 7, 2014.(AFP Photo / Alexander Khudoteply)

Today at 12:20 local time, a session of the people's Council of Donbass (Donetsk region) took place in the main hall of the Regional Council and unanimously voted on a declaration to form a new independent state: the People’s Republic of Donetsk.

The Council proclaimed itself the only legitimate body in the region until the regions in southeast Ukraine conduct a general referendum, set to take place no later than May 11.

“The Donetsk Republic is to be created within the administrative borders of the Donetsk region. This decision will come into effect after the referendum,” the statement said.

The Council in Donetsk issued an address to Russian President Vladimir Putin, asking for deployment of a temporary peacekeeping force to the region.

“Without support it will be hard for us to stand against the junta in Kiev,” said the address.

“We are addressing Russian President Putin because we can only entrust our security to Russia,” the statement said.

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Rallies in support of the federalization of Ukraine continue in a number of cities in southeast Ukraine. Thousands of citizens have joined the protests, demanding the earliest possible federalization of the country.

Ukraine’s Ministry of Interior said that last night unknown persons stormed the Security Service of Ukraine building in the city of Lugansk and seized a weapons warehouse there. During the night’s clashes, nine people were reportedly injured.

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Pro-Russian activistshold a rally in front of Ukraine's regional security service of Ukraine in Lugansk on April 6, 2014.(AFP Photo / Igor Golovniov )

In the city of Kharkov protesters erected barricades around the buildings of the city and the regional administrations and the regional headquarters of Security Service of Ukraine.

There were brief clashes between supporters of the federalization of Ukraine and pro-EU demonstrators in downtown Kharkov. Protesters on both sides used fire crackers and stun grenades.

A demonstration against political repression in Ukraine has also being held in the southern regional center of Odessa.

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Pro-Russian activists near the Kharkov city administration.(RIA Novosti / Chekachkov Igor)

The chiefs of security agencies of Ukraine are reportedly heading to the cities engulfed in protests.

The interim secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, Andrey Parubiy, together with acting head of the Security Service of Ukraine, Valentin Nalivaichenko, are set to visit Lugansk. Interim Deputy Prime Minister Vitaly Yarema will visit Donetsk and acting Interior Minister Arsen Avakov has reportedly already arrived in Kharkov.

The coup-appointed acting president, Aleksandr Turchinov, has threatened that counter-terrorist measures could be taken against those who take up arms against the Kiev authorities, RIA news agency reported. On Thursday, the Ukrainian parliament will tighten laws regarding separatism and could possibly ban certain parties and organizations , Turchinov warned.

“What happened yesterday is the second stage of the special operation of the Russian Federation against Ukraine,” announced Turchinov in an address televised on Monday, sharing that an “anti-crisis command was set up last night” to deal with the crisis, Interfax-Ukraine reported.

Ukraine’s interim Foreign Minister Andrey Deschitsa announced on Monday that if the situation in the eastern regions escalates, the coup-appointed government in Kiev will take “much harsher” measures than those on the reunion of the Crimea with Russia. Deschitsa gave an assurance that members of the government are already working with local authorities.