More Lester Levenson

[Grizz Griswold]

I,m new here to Avalon, wonderful people, anyway the ROMANWKT article on Lester Levenson is what brought me here in the first place. Thanks you so much ROMANWKT, I do value your input. and would like to go forward with Lester Levensons teachings.

Lester Levenson and his teachings on responsibility resonate with me. From his book Keys To Ultimate Freedom. So according to Lester everything that happens to us including our life situations, health, wealth, poverty, depression, joy on and on, everything is a product of our choice and we are responsible. This knocks the crutches out from under most of us and sets us on a new pathway one that is a direct reflection of our choices.

I invite all discussion and Best wishes to everyone....Grizz

[Gerald Paris]

Welcome, and thank you for bringing Lester Levenson to my attention. I look forward to seeing what he has to say.

Much Love

G

[cloud9]

I read the book Romanwkt posted and I enjoyed it very much. I have to say that it makes perfect sense to me that forgiveness is the best tool we have to deal with any wrongs made by us and others in our everyday lives. I have forgiven situations big and small since and I have seen amazing results.

According to A Course in Miracles and other books on the subject, forgiveness changes the future and collapses time because whatever actions or situations arise after somebody has felt hurt would disappear after forgiveness, there's no need for the "effect" in cause and effect once the problem has been solved (or should we say "dissolved"?). Getting to the unconditional love part has proven more difficult not because it's hard to do but because it requires time to get to the point were you can really feel it or at least it has been my case.

I have seen a few videos of him but I haven't read his books however I think he's a great teacher, he knows something...

[Grizz Griswold]

Thanks Gerald, We wont wait on others but it's my hope that others will join in with this discussion........ Here is a quote from Lester Levenson.
"Would you want one practical key for quickly reaching the Goal, I would recommend that you take full responsibility for everything that happens to you. We have lost sight of our mastership and have ~eluded ourselves into thinking we are victims in a world that controls us, that pushes us around. It isn't so! We are causing what is happening to us by giving our power, to the external world. If you want to regain your control, you must take full responsibility"

In ROMANWKT,s articles he explains very prolifically how to use Lesters technique plus ROMANWKT also added some of his own techniques which are also very useful. My idea is that if we don't take responsibility for using the processes we won't reap it's benefits. A lot of us have become seekers in which we are constantly looking for that magic pill or idea that will bring us complete enlightenment, and we want it instantly. When it doesn't happen right away off we go again looking for that next new shiny thing. This puts everything into the box of something to happen in the future instead of present time. The main point I,m trying to make is Lester Levensons technique does work but only if we stay with it. There are other pathways but none will benefit us if we don't stay with them.

The Keys to Ultimate Freedom by Lester Levenson are available here. http://www.stillnessspeaks.com/sitehtml/llevenson/keystoultimate.pdf

I hope this is of some benefit and maybe we can help each other down our pathways. Best of everything.....Grizz

[Grizz Griswold]

Dear cloud9, I just posted a pdf for Lester Levensons book above, Keys to the Ultimate Freedom.

On a Course In Miracles when faced with forgiveness especially involving others we can easily hit a brick wall, that twinge of pain or anger or even slight resentment indicates that the other person is the mirror of ourselves and there is something in our selves we need to work on. Iv'e found that by listening to my heart, intuition, Holy spirit or whatever label we put on it is easier. Intellectually it is very hard if not impossible because Ego becomes involved....We walk this path together....The very best to you....Grizz

[cloud9]

Thanks a lot for the book, I'll read it ASAP!

[ROMANWKT]

My argument has always been the same and stands the same at this moment, that we are totally responsible for our state, that we are separating the physical from the spiritual, we do not flow from spiritual to the physical, or vice versa, we show this up in our lives as health issues, wealth issues, manifesting issues, spiritual issues, a confused and sickly lot of wanderers proclaiming their height of spirituality, yet no better that the beggar of the streets ignorant of their full capacity TO BE.

If you are successful in your road spiritually, and live as a rat hand to mouth, you are kidding yourself, and are out of balance, its what I find here on this site.

Warmest regards to all

roman

[jackovesk]

My argument has always been the same and stands the same at this moment, that we are totally responsible for our state, that we are separating the physical from the spiritual, we do not flow from spiritual to the physical, or vice versa, we show this up in our lives as health issues, wealth issues, manifesting issues, spiritual issues, a confused and sickly lot of wanderers proclaiming their height of spirituality, yet no better that the beggar of the streets ignorant of their full capacity TO BE.

If you are successful in your road spiritually, and live as a rat hand to mouth, you are kidding yourself, and are out of balance, its what I find here on this site.

Warmest regards to all

roman

:bump:....

[Grizz Griswold]

You are very welcome Cloud9

[Grizz Griswold]

Right! What one manifests is an exact mirror of ones spiritual state. Everyone says well if my finances were better or health better or if it wasn't for my mother in law, all things that are wrong as we see it. Then I could get my spiritual self right. But this is all completely backwards.


Lester Levenson once spoke of The Game and that resonated in me. The object of the games is first to have limitations and you win if you have more of something, money,pain,misery it doesn't matter as long as you have more. This is the game we play and the daily grind and we don't stop it because we don't want to. More are starting to realize this and with realization comes, yes, total responsibility. I am totally responsible for what happens to me and nothing happens without my choice.

Thank you Roman for your comments, your articles are the reason I'm here........Don't worry about stepping on my toes that's the reason I have them stuck out here.[discussion welcome]........Best wishes to all....Grizz

[Pam]

"With his back to the wall and only 3 months to live, Lester was forced to search for the answers to life. Lester decided to ask himself, "What is it that we all want?" The answer he came up with is, "We all want to be happy!" Having discovered what he did, Lester was healed and went on teaching what he learned for another 40 years"

I first became interested in Lester while reading a book on Spiritual Masters. I found his story so compelling that I began practicing his "releasing" techniques. I sort of modified my own. Although this technique seems unexciting and possibly mundane it has been one of the key components that has allowed me to change my life from one of misery and negativity to one of comfort, joy and sometimes bliss. I do not want to indicate that I am anywhere near enlightened but it is absolutely amazing the changes I have experienced from this simple technique. There are 2 major organizations that teach his techniques. Both of them go on and on with advanced and modified technique. I was never able to embrace them. I found all I needed in the simplest of his techniques.

I consider Lester to be one of my dearest friends.

[Grizz Griswold]

Thanks peterpam, The other methods seem watered down and veer seeming off course,I could't use them myself. The actual method that He used on himself,[you probably already heard this] but not widely known is "Could I change this to love?" releasing everything in this manner and if he couldn't see it with love, he used "Could I let go of wanting to change this?" Both very simple methods. Lester said he had such relief and feeling of joy that he stopped sleeping and just kept doing the process.

Could I change this to love?.....changes everything from mind [ego land] to heart which is from intuition,consciousness, God, our being our self [words become interchangeable]
Could I let go of wanting to change this?..... he used when he got stuck and then went back to the first process again
Hope I haven't bored you repeating something you already know..........Best of everything to you......Grizz

[Pam]

"Could I change this is to love?.....changes everything from mind [ego land] to heart which is from intuition,consciousness, God, our being our self [words become interchangeable]
Could I let go of wanting to change this?..... he used when he got stuck and then went back to the first process again
Hope I haven't bored you repeating something you already know....."




I love those simple yet profound questions. They go further than my basic technique of releasing emotions and thoughts. I have always had the strong tendency to be in mind rather than heart. I will use these 2 questions.

Thank you, Pam

[Grizz Griswold]

Very welcome Pam, usually simple is better. here is a link you may like to take a look at. The Keys to Ultimate Freedom by Lester Levenson are available here. http://www.stillnessspeaks.com/sitehtml/llevenson/keystoultimate.pdf

All the best.....Grizz

[Delight]

Thanks Grizz, Lester Levenson is one of my favorite teachers. Your thread was the impetus to listen to some youtubes.

Here is a portion of a Lester Levenson talk from 1969 that speaks to miracles like teleportation. The reader has a great voice.

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[Dawn]

I like the thread you started here, however I'd like to put in a bit of information that is not included here. I became intensively involved in doing the work Lester taught when he was alive. I became very good friends with one of his students who studied with him for over 20 years. On his death bed he asked this person to continue his work through teaching as he had taught. This person is not teaching under the umbrella of the 'Sedona Method' (which a patented trade name), which is designed to teach, and also to harvest money from students. Here are some of my personal observations:

1. There are 'other dimensional' beings involved with this work, and at least one of these seems very wise and has a very different 'hive like' mind compared to the human mind... I have met 'it'

2. The original classes Lester taught were not developed by him personally, but by a very close friend of his.... Lester eventually took over the classes, and (in an interesting power play) edged this person out of his organization

3. I was personally very surprised to meet a business associate of Lester's one day in an unrelated event. This man told me that being a student who followed Lester's information was not something to be proud of. Lester was apparently well known in his non-teaching business field (commercial real estate) for cheating, lying and putting together real estate deals not based in truth. Some of his clients sued him because of this.

And finally, here is something really odd. But I think this could just be 'me'... so I don't know how to judge or weight this. After using his methods for years, and finding a lot of freedom I might add, I found that something was feeding on the energetic life force I generated when releasing emotions and energies. It took 6 months of concentrated effort to free myself from this thing.

So... I have an open question about Lester, especially in light of what is known about modern day wizards and witches who work directly with Jihn. My question is this..... What was really going on with Lester? And how wise is it to follow his energetic footprints (so to say). There is much here that I don't understand and I feel cautious about his energy, his teachings, his 'lineage' of student teachers.

In short... Lester is not an authority outside of myself that I chose follow, except with utmost caution.

Yet... I still do sometimes release and forgive using the questions and techniques he originally taught his students.

[jack]

Cant post a long comment right now but I just popped in to say that I found Lester Levensons teachings some time ago and learned how to do the Sedona Method which is a technique of letting go of negative persistent emotions so that they are gone forever.

Since learning how to do this my quality of life has increased exponentially and continues to do so. I now understand what the great sages say about enlightenment and "bliss" and "joy" and all these fantastic things that were only just concepts in my mind before I had the pleasure of experiencing them. I no longer fear anything in life because if a fear comes up I release it and its gone forever. I welcome fear now because it is another opportunity to release and increase my happiness/consciousness/awareness/bliss.

I guess im writing this so that if anyone is on the fence about investing their time in looking deeper into this fascinating man that this might help tip the balance.

[jack]

I like the thread you started here, however I'd like to put in a bit of information that is not included here. I became intensively involved in doing the work Lester taught when he was alive. I became very good friends with one of his students who studied with him for over 20 years. On his death bed he asked this person to continue his work through teaching as he had taught. This person is not teaching under the umbrella of the 'Sedona Method' (which a patented trade name), which is designed to teach, and also to harvest money from students. Here are some of my personal observations:



I would also like to add in relation to your comment Dawn ;

As we release all of our "karma" or stuck emotions or whatever terms we might use, we become a target for negative entities. There is nothing a negative entity hates more then a spiritually evolved loving being, so when they see someone trying to make progress by freeing themselves of their emotional bondage then they will flock to that person (not to feed off them specifically, but to impede their progress) and do all they can to influence them to stop. They will fill them with fear, doubt, anger, distrust, all of the tools of evil.

I found out through my process of releasing that I was being attacked by these entities as well and whatever I would do they would keep coming back. It took me quite some time to discover that all i needed to do was say "If there are any negative entities in me, around me, in this house or around this house I command you to leave in the name of Jesus Christ". Holy crap if that did not lift a cloud that was hanging around me. Now I'm not affected by these things anymore. Daily I say that mantra (fully believing it now because I have seen with my own eyes that it works) and I can continue to become a lighter more loving and kind person every single day. They at times succeeded in filling me with doubt and distrust and knocked me off my path quite a few times but now it has become overwhelmingly obvious what they were doing.

Releasing is freedom. Releasing Karma makes me more kind and loving. That cannot, using any kind of logic, be a bad thing. To think otherwise means we are being manipulated by something which does not have our best interests at heart.

I said this wasn't going to be long, haha, go figure :)

[Dawn]

Jack: "If there are any negative entities in me, around me, in this house or around this house I command you to leave in the name of Jesus Christ". Holy crap if that did not lift a cloud that was hanging around me.

Jack, all the information that is available points to the absolute truth that there never was a person named "Jesus Christ" and that the story in the Bible was invented by a church intent on controlling others. I never invoke any entity called 'Jesus Christ'. The very idea that you do is rather scary to me personally. I have actually had people attempt to get me to 'accept him into my heart' with a really strange and intense energy. Here's my question: Since there never was a "Jesus Christ", then who or what are you invoking?

I rather think that most of those posing as an entity called 'Jesus Christ' are in fact Jinn. Well, I suppose this comment of mine is really going to push a 'hot button' for you and I won't get into a heated discussion with you on Avalon about your beliefs. As for me, I do not invoke outside forces as aids to me in my life. I prefer to stand in my own power and not invoke the name of anything else.

One of the most sobering experiences in my life was when I died at age 37. I traveled that night through a number of realities and planes... one of the most horrible was a 'heaven' where Christians had chosen to go. In this 'heaven' there was a 'demigod' who appeared to these people as Jesus Christ. This demigod harvested their life force as his food and this fed his power over them. They had been stuck in 'heaven' for uncountable long periods of time. For me this was a true horror. I was actually shocked.

Well, the next morning I came back to a body that was cold, no heart beat, no breath. It was not time for me to leave this life completely, however, so I got back into my body and re-committed to helping raise the daughter born to me with my husband. My breathing started again and life went on.

So... Personally, I do not think that a belief in something like this is a good thing.... but I know many people are programmed from baby-hood to believe that this story is a true one and that it is a good thing to believe in something other than the God within and without yourself. I know that you have a lot of company in your belief system.

[Grizz Griswold]

Thank you so much Delight for the video, There doesn't seem to be a lot of his videos available....
Best of everything.....Grizz

[Grizz Griswold]

Cant post a long comment right now but I just popped in to say that I found Lester Levensons teachings some time ago and learned how to do the Sedona Method which is a technique of letting go of negative persistent emotions so that they are gone forever.

Since learning how to do this my quality of life has increased exponentially and continues to do so. I now understand what the great sages say about enlightenment and "bliss" and "joy" and all these fantastic things that were only just concepts in my mind before I had the pleasure of experiencing them. I no longer fear anything in life because if a fear comes up I release it and its gone forever. I welcome fear now because it is another opportunity to release and increase my happiness/consciousness/awareness/bliss.

I guess im writing this so that if anyone is on the fence about investing their time in looking deeper into this fascinating man that this might help tip the balance.

Your last sentence is the big one, "on the fence about investing their time" it took a long time to be conditioned to our present state so it will take an investment of time to get back out. Most want that magic pill or idea that will instantly transform them. It's time we take responsibility for what we've gotten ourselves into.

Thanks so much for your post.....Best of everything.....Grizz

[Grizz Griswold]

Posted by Dawn [here]


"So... Personally, I do not think that a belief in something like this is a good thing.... but I know many people are programmed from baby-hood to believe that this story is a true one and that it is a good thing to believe in something other than the God within and without yourself. I know that you have a lot of company in your belief system".

I agree..... all the programmings are just constructs. Even words are constructs, symbols of symbols. We have to take responsibility for ourselves we are infinite beings and nothing happens to us without our consent. When we think something out side our self is controlling us then again we have just made another construct.

I deeply appreciate your unique perspective and thank you for your posts.
Best of everything .....Grizz

[Pam]

I like the thread you started here, however I'd like to put in a bit of information that is not included here. I became intensively involved in doing the work Lester taught when he was alive. I became very good friends with one of his students who studied with him for over 20 years. On his death bed he asked this person to continue his work through teaching as he had taught. This person is not teaching under the umbrella of the 'Sedona Method' (which a patented trade name), which is designed to teach, and also to harvest money from students. Here are some of my personal observations:

1. There are 'other dimensional' beings involved with this work, and at least one of these seems very wise and has a very different 'hive like' mind compared to the human mind... I have met 'it'

2. The original classes Lester taught were not developed by him personally, but by a very close friend of his.... Lester eventually took over the classes, and (in an interesting power play) edged this person out of his organization

3. I was personally very surprised to meet a business associate of Lester's one day in an unrelated event. This man told me that being a student who followed Lester's information was not something to be proud of. Lester was apparently well known in his non-teaching business field (commercial real estate) for cheating, lying and putting together real estate deals not based in truth. Some of his clients sued him because of this.

And finally, here is something really odd. But I think this could just be 'me'... so I don't know how to judge or weight this. After using his methods for years, and finding a lot of freedom I might add, I found that something was feeding on the energetic life force I generated when releasing emotions and energies. It took 6 months of concentrated effort to free myself from this thing.

So... I have an open question about Lester, especially in light of what is known about modern day wizards and witches who work directly with Jihn. My question is this..... What was really going on with Lester? And how wise is it to follow his energetic footprints (so to say). There is much here that I don't understand and I feel cautious about his energy, his teachings, his 'lineage' of student teachers.

In short... Lester is not an authority outside of myself that I chose follow, except with utmost caution.

Yet... I still do sometimes release and forgive using the questions and techniques he originally taught his students.





The contribution of Lester Levenson stands on its' own merit. To me that is the criteria of a true spiritual tool, the method came through him, it is not about him.I have never had any entity attacks that I am aware of. I have had frantic ego intervention which feels like an evil entity at times. Releasing is not a good thing for the ego and the ego can be very cunning. Every time I release I am one step further away from my egocentric, separate self.

[Grizz Griswold]

The contribution of Lester Levenson stands on its' own merit. To me that is the criteria of a true spiritual tool, the method came through him, it is not about him.I have never had any entity attacks that I am aware of. I have had frantic ego intervention which feels like an evil entity at times. Releasing is not a good thing for the ego and the ego can be very cunning. Every time I release I am one step further away from my egocentric, separate self.

Ego may seem to be an entity if we allow it that power. But thats what were here for to get past the crap. See it with love instead; How much better can it get...Thanks Pam for your post....all the best .....Grizz

[jack]

Jack: "If there are any negative entities in me, around me, in this house or around this house I command you to leave in the name of Jesus Christ". Holy crap if that did not lift a cloud that was hanging around me.

Jack, all the information that is available points to the absolute truth that there never was a person named "Jesus Christ" and that the story in the Bible was invented by a church intent on controlling others. I never invoke any entity called 'Jesus Christ'. The very idea that you do is rather scary to me personally. I have actually had people attempt to get me to 'accept him into my heart' with a really strange and intense energy. Here's my question: Since there never was a "Jesus Christ", then who or what are you invoking?

I rather think that most of those posing as an entity called 'Jesus Christ' are in fact Jinn. Well, I suppose this comment of mine is really going to push a 'hot button' for you and I won't get into a heated discussion with you on Avalon about your beliefs. As for me, I do not invoke outside forces as aids to me in my life. I prefer to stand in my own power and not invoke the name of anything else.

One of the most sobering experiences in my life was when I died at age 37. I traveled that night through a number of realities and planes... one of the most horrible was a 'heaven' where Christians had chosen to go. In this 'heaven' there was a 'demigod' who appeared to these people as Jesus Christ. This demigod harvested their life force as his food and this fed his power over them. They had been stuck in 'heaven' for uncountable long periods of time. For me this was a true horror. I was actually shocked.

Well, the next morning I came back to a body that was cold, no heart beat, no breath. It was not time for me to leave this life completely, however, so I got back into my body and re-committed to helping raise the daughter born to me with my husband. My breathing started again and life went on.

So... Personally, I do not think that a belief in something like this is a good thing.... but I know many people are programmed from baby-hood to believe that this story is a true one and that it is a good thing to believe in something other than the God within and without yourself. I know that you have a lot of company in your belief system.

Ive no doubt in the existence of an entity called Jesus Christ and absolutely no doubt that this entity is not only benevolent but a highly evolved, loving spiritual being. I know this because of personal experience, the same way I know that hot water is hot - When i touch it I can feel the result.

I also know exactly what a demonic entities presence feels like. Its impossible for an entity to mask its inherent energetic vibratory frequency so although they can play tricks and manipulate people to a certain extent they are never able to mask their energetic signature.

If you call on a demonic entity then you will feel its presence and then you will be in no doubt whatsoever as to what it feels like to have one around. For an example of one mans experience you can check out the story to the documentary "The Unleashed" which was aired on "A Haunting" back in 2006.

I am in no doubt that the story of Jesus Christ was manipulated throughout history but to say that Jesus Christ is a demonic entity honestly shows a complete lack of understanding on the subject of demonology as a whole. Its like saying that hot water is cold because of some complex theory you have devised about the history of water on this planet. The reality is that hot water is self evidently hot regardless of what you think about it just the same as the presence of Jesus Christ is loving, regardless of what you think you know about him.

This technique also works when a person calls on Buddha, Krishna, Ramana Maharshi and many other great sages. I refuse to even write any names of demons here out of my deep understanding of how powerful and devastatingly destructive they can be. To merely call on them once can be enough.

There is a vast difference between a demonic entity and a great sage and one needs not understand the history to be able to tell the difference between the two. I know because I have experience with both sides of the coin and the difference between the two is nothing short of profound.

P.S im not a Christian. I value all of the great sages and enlightened masters that have graced this planet throughout history.

[jack]

The contribution of Lester Levenson stands on its' own merit. To me that is the criteria of a true spiritual tool, the method came through him, it is not about him.I have never had any entity attacks that I am aware of. I have had frantic ego intervention which feels like an evil entity at times. Releasing is not a good thing for the ego and the ego can be very cunning. Every time I release I am one step further away from my egocentric, separate self.


Absolutely spot on. When one is becoming a more kind and loving being it is a great threat to the real negative forces of this world. They want nothing more then to deter a person from that path and it seems to me, with respect, that they were highly successful in Dawns case.

Each day as I keep releasing I become a more loving person. I am kinder to my wife, I am kinder to my brother, my mother, my father. I'm kinder to animals. I feel more love to the people of the world. That is not the work of evil. To say so is a clear indication of manipulation by negative forces.

[Pam]

The contribution of Lester Levenson stands on its' own merit. To me that is the criteria of a true spiritual tool, the method came through him, it is not about him.I have never had any entity attacks that I am aware of. I have had frantic ego intervention which feels like an evil entity at times. Releasing is not a good thing for the ego and the ego can be very cunning. Every time I release I am one step further away from my egocentric, separate self.

Ego may seem to be an entity if we allow it that power. But thats what were here for to get past the crap. See it with love instead; How much better can it get...Thanks Pam for your post....all the best .....Grizz

Grizz, I used to approach ego as something evil I had to get rid of. Over time I have found myself observing ego as a sort of ADD toddler that is very cunning. I am mostly amused by the antics and feel a sort of motherly love for a very naughty child. I would like this to evolve to the expansive love for all things that I feel at times. Once again, thanks for this thread. Also, Jack thank you for your contributions.

[Pam]

Jack: "If there are any negative entities in me, around me, in this house or around this house I command you to leave in the name of Jesus Christ". Holy crap if that did not lift a cloud that was hanging around me.

Jack, all the information that is available points to the absolute truth that there never was a person named "Jesus Christ" and that the story in the Bible was invented by a church intent on controlling others. I never invoke any entity called 'Jesus Christ'. The very idea that you do is rather scary to me personally. I have actually had people attempt to get me to 'accept him into my heart' with a really strange and intense energy. Here's my question: Since there never was a "Jesus Christ", then who or what are you invoking?

I rather think that most of those posing as an entity called 'Jesus Christ' are in fact Jinn. Well, I suppose this comment of mine is really going to push a 'hot button' for you and I won't get into a heated discussion with you on Avalon about your beliefs. As for me, I do not invoke outside forces as aids to me in my life. I prefer to stand in my own power and not invoke the name of anything else.

One of the most sobering experiences in my life was when I died at age 37. I traveled that night through a number of realities and planes... one of the most horrible was a 'heaven' where Christians had chosen to go. In this 'heaven' there was a 'demigod' who appeared to these people as Jesus Christ. This demigod harvested their life force as his food and this fed his power over them. They had been stuck in 'heaven' for uncountable long periods of time. For me this was a true horror. I was actually shocked.

Well, the next morning I came back to a body that was cold, no heart beat, no breath. It was not time for me to leave this life completely, however, so I got back into my body and re-committed to helping raise the daughter born to me with my husband. My breathing started again and life went on.

So... Personally, I do not think that a belief in something like this is a good thing.... but I know many people are programmed from baby-hood to believe that this story is a true one and that it is a good thing to believe in something other than the God within and without yourself. I know that you have a lot of company in your belief system.

Ive no doubt in the existence of an entity called Jesus Christ and absolutely no doubt that this entity is not only benevolent but a highly evolved, loving spiritual being. I know this because of personal experience, the same way I know that hot water is hot - When i touch it I can feel the result.

I also know exactly what a demonic entities presence feels like. Its impossible for an entity to mask its inherent energetic vibratory frequency so although they can play tricks and manipulate people to a certain extent they are never able to mask their energetic signature.

If you call on a demonic entity then you will feel its presence and then you will be in no doubt whatsoever as to what it feels like to have one around. For an example of one mans experience you can check out the story to the documentary "The Unleashed" which was aired on "A Haunting" back in 2006.

I am in no doubt that the story of Jesus Christ was manipulated throughout history but to say that Jesus Christ is a demonic entity honestly shows a complete lack of understanding on the subject of demonology as a whole. Its like saying that hot water is cold because of some complex theory you have devised about the history of water on this planet. The reality is that hot water is self evidently hot regardless of what you think about it just the same as the presence of Jesus Christ is loving, regardless of what you think you know about him.

This technique also works when a person calls on Buddha, Krishna, Ramana Maharshi and many other great sages. I refuse to even write any names of demons here out of my deep understanding of how powerful and devastatingly destructive they can be. To merely call on them once can be enough.

There is a vast difference between a demonic entity and a great sage and one needs not understand the history to be able to tell the difference between the two. I know because I have experience with both sides of the coin and the difference between the two is nothing short of profound.

P.S im not a Christian. I value all of the great sages and enlightened masters that have graced this planet throughout history.


Jack,

I don't think much about evil entities. What do you think is there origin? Sorry, I know this is off topic...

[greybeard]

Its all down to energy.

That's what keeps the teaching of Jesus, that did survive editing, alive and in common use today--the same with Krishna, The Buddha, Mohammed and others.

I have no doubt that people will continue to discover Lester and other enlightened beings many many years from now.
The dramatic and bizarre tends not to have any lasting appeal.

Chris

[Grizz Griswold]

posted by Peterpam........Grizz, I used to approach ego as something evil I had to get rid of. Over time I have found myself observing ego as a sort of ADD toddler that is very cunning. I am mostly amused by the antics and feel a sort of motherly love for a very naughty child. I would like this to evolve to the expansive love for all things that I feel at times. Once again, thanks for this thread. Also, Jack thank you for your contributions.

That's Great, it looks like your'e coming from the heart instead of the mind. I really like your way of looking at it. When we come from the heart we start to become love itself and in being love itself you see it everywhere. The very best to you.....Grizz

[Delight]

I am re-reading Lester Levenson's biography "No Attachments, No Aversions". Here are some key features that IMO relate to the beingness of a master. What IF "jesus" was not one man but all accessing Christ consciousness? It takes a certain energy signature to access the lightness as in "Angels can fly as they take themselves lightly". What IF at this end of an age of forgetting as we release our burdens, we become like the others who have been scattered over time and space?


Then I went through a very keen process of trying to love others. I would review my past behavior. Where I thought I had been loving, I saw I wanted to be loved. For instance, when I saw that I had been nice to a girl only because I wanted something from her, I would say, "You son-of-a-gun, Lester. Correct that!" Then I would love her for what she was, not for what I wanted from her. I kept on correcting this until I could find no more to correct.

The next big awareness that came to me was what intelligence is. I got a picture of a single overall intelligence that each one of us is blindly using, available to us to the degree we do not cut off. I also discovered that I am responsible for everything that happens to me. Then I discovered that every thought materializes, sooner or later. Thereafter I took responsibility for everything that was happening to me. Looking for it, the initiating thought would come up in mind, and it being conscious, I would then be able to drop it.

I was letting go and undoing the hell I had created. By squaring all with love, trying to love rather than trying to be loved, and by taking responsibility for all that was happening to me; finding my subconscious thought and correcting it, I became freer and freer, happier and happier.

The picture of intelligence that I received I think is interesting. I suddenly got a picture of the amusement park entertainment consisting of bump-cars that are made difficult to steer so that the drivers continually bump into each other. They were all getting their electrical energy from the wire
screen above, through a pole coming down to every car.

The power above was symbolic of the overall intelligence and energy of the universe coming down the pole to me and everyone else, which we were all using and bumping into each other, instead of driving along together in harmony.
We use this intelligence in life and we just bump! bump! bump! That was the first picture I got of life and intelligence.
We all have a direct line to that infinite intelligence up there and we are using it blindly, wrongly, and against each other.

For the first two months I was getting answers to, "What is happiness, intelligence and love?" As the answers came, I was gradually being unburdened of my miseries and tensions.

His unburdening was profound and something amazing happened next.


And then all of a sudden powers fell in on me. I could know anything anywhere. I saw there were people just like us on endless numbers of planets. Then I took a look across the country to Los Angeles. I called up this friend and said, "In the living room there are three persons," and so on. I started telling him what was going on. Dead air! Suddenly I realized I had frightened him. I had to cut the conversation short.

I was amazed at the very pleasant sensation of watching divine laws in operation. The fascination was not the powers themselves, but the watching and witnessing of the divine laws operating. I really didn't feel like the doer. I knew these things were not to be latched on to. I knew that ifI got interested in them, I'd stop progressing.
I had seen by this time that this world is a mentation-a dream. So to get interested in the dream again through interest in powers would trap me back into what I was wanting to get out of.

Toward the end of my period of seeking, lone day saw that, my gosh! This whole thing is like a dream in my mind, just like a night dream! And it's a dream that never really wasany more than a dream you had last night was. Was it a real thing, that dream you had last night? No. It was only in your mind. But of course until one awakens out of this everyday waking state, it seems real to one. The new reality was that I am, and that's all there is!

That my beingness is the changeless essence of the universe, of course, I was punch-drunk, slap-happy, and in a state of euphoria.
In this state the whole world looks perfect. Looking at my body, I also saw this body as part of that perfection. This instantly corrected all my ailments.
Several times on the way up I'd get a realization that would so supercharge my body, I'd have to walk for miles and miles at a good pace.

Some of those realizations are really more than a body can take. You can't sit still. Many a time I was forced to walk off
the new, intense energy. I was undoing the subconscious hang-ups, tendencies, pretopped
dispositions, realizing more and more that I am free, that freedom is my basic nature. I was getting freer and freer and I
automatically went into a state where, having undone enough of the mental limitations, the real Self of me began presenting
itself to me. I saw that the real "I" of me was only beingness, was only existence, and that my beingness was exactly the beingness
of the universe.

And when I saw that, I identified with every being in this universe; I identified with every atom in it. And
when you do that you lose all sense of being a separate individual, an ego. When I saw that, that I AM the Amness of this universe, I
then saw the whole world as just an image in my imagination, like a dream.

I imaged or dreamt that I was a body. And I'm dreaming right now that I'm this body. In reality, the only thing that is, is Isness, That's the real,
changeless substance behind everything. And you are that, too.


He changed his physical experience reality with his light mental touch.


Life itself became so beautiful and so harmonious that all day every day everything would fall perfectly into line. As 1
would drive through New York City, 1would rarely hit a red light.

When I would go to park my car, people, sometimes two or three people, would stop and even go into the street to help direct me into a parking space. There were times when taxicab drivers would see me looking for a parking space and would give up their space so I could go into it. And after they did they couldn't understand why they did it. Here they were out, double-parked! Even policemen who were parked would move out and give me their parking place. And, again, after they did it, they couldn't understand why they gave up their place to me. But I knew they felt good in doing what they had done. And I was thankful all the time.

But there wasn't anything I did in those days that didn't seem to affect everyone around me. My vibration made them feel good. It made them feel giving. It made them more loving. And so they would try to help me.

If I went into a store, the salesman would happily go out of his way to help me. Or if I would order something in a restaurant and after change my mind, the waitress would bring just what I wanted even though I didn't tell her. Actually everyone moves to serve you as you just float around. When you are in tune and you have a thought, every atom in the universe moves to fulfill your thought. And this is true.

Being in harmony is such a delightful, delectable state, not because things are coming your way, but because of the feeling of God-in-operation. It's a tremendous feeling, you just can't imagine how great it is. It is such a delight when you're in tune, in hannony-you see God everywhere! You're watching God in operation. And that is what you enjoy, rather than the thing, the incident, the happening. His operation is the ultimate.

When we get in tune, our capacity to love is so extreme that we love everyone with an extreme intensity which makes living the most delightful it could ever be.

[jack]

Ive often wondered about that, Delight.

The teachings which we refer to as the teachings of Jesus could only have been written by someone who was coming from a place of unconditional love. Ive been to that place temporarily a number of times and when im there all of his teachings are self evident. Its cant be possible to make it up from a lower level of consciousness because the teachings are imbued with an intrinsic understanding of the ultimate truths which can only be experienced first hand from the higher levels of human consciousness.

[Delight]

Ive often wondered about that, Delight.

The teachings which we refer to as the teachings of Jesus could only have been written by someone who was coming from a place of unconditional love. Ive been to that place temporarily a number of times and when im there all of his teachings are self evident. Its cant be possible to make it up from a lower level of consciousness because the teachings are imbued with an intrinsic understanding of the ultimate truths which can only be experienced first hand from the higher levels of human consciousness.

Well, then does that make two of us who wonder about the trajetory for "heaven on earth"?? The Christ returns.
Like you I have seen how there is only goodness in the words of jesus. I really have loved Edgar Cayce who read the bible once a year. he said each time he read it, he understood more which means to me that writings can be holy to those who have the eyes. But it is all a part of the fact that consciousness underlies matter IMO.

Paranoia is a spiritual disease of fear. Lester Levenson describes in his autobiography a deep sense of low self esteem". He describes a happy childhood home so his trauma was not caused by abuse apparently. Though very smart, he always thought he would fail his tests. He saw discrimination against his Jewish background. All his businesses brought grief. He almost died of heart failure.

His deep suffering led him to question and his intention led him to freedom. I expect that his is the ultimate story of man. We can suffer a very long time from unloving fearfulness. then we may have a miracle. welcome to the world of magic and miracles says Christ. Fear not and give all burdens to that source that readily loves to receive them.

We are free to live in a restored DIVINE matrix. The whole reason for physical Earth life is restored to its perfection. Now may be when so many remember that the Metanoia we have waited to see sweeps clear cross a hungry planet! Yippeee!!!

[Grizz Griswold]

Posted by Greybeard Its all down to energy.

That's what keeps the teaching of Jesus, that did survive editing, alive and in common use today--the same with Krishna, The Buddha, Mohammed and others.

I have no doubt that people will continue to discover Lester and other enlightened beings many many years from now.
The dramatic and bizarre tends not to have any lasting appeal.Chris


I like your viewpoint Chris, When I was a child my uncle a baptist preacher would make statements like if you don't come to church, Jesus will break your leg or like you know your going to hell, son. Well I thought then why the Hell would I want to have anything to do with Jesus?

Now I realize much about Jesus was misinterpreted some of it intentional by some. But energy/consciousness/ truth of what Jesus was saying still resonated within me as did the teachings of many of the other masters.

I find within our own hearts in stillness there in the one consciousness, there is that energy you speak of always waiting for us to listen.
Thank you for your post Chris .....all the best.....Grizz

[greybeard]

For me its a question of being careful what I digest mentally.
Without being obsessive I have a daily diet of enlightened spiritual works.
Meditation is on going, in an easy not forced way while walking or just sitting.
Re charging the battery or another way of looking at is --- When a coal falls out of the fire it soon looses its warmth and glow, it needs the company of enlightened embers to maintain its energy.
There is only love or fear--- the fear of God is a mistranslation--it means not to fear God but to respect that energy we call God or Source or The Ultimate.
That which you are in Truth.

Thanks for being you Grizz, you make a difference.

Chris

[Grizz Griswold]

For me its a question of being careful what I digest mentally.
Without being obsessive I have a daily diet of enlightened spiritual works.
Meditation is on going, in an easy not forced way while walking or just sitting.
Re charging the battery or another way of looking at is --- When a coal falls out of the fire it soon looses its warmth and glow, it needs the company of enlightened embers to maintain its energy.
There is only love or fear--- the fear of God is a mistranslation--it means not to fear God but to respect that energy we call God or Source or The Ultimate.
That which you are in Truth.

Thanks for being you Grizz, you make a difference.

Chris

Thanks you Chris, The world pulls at us constantly to get our attention off of what is true, stirs up worries and trouble. But with just a little willingness to see love instead, life starts to be easier and a feeling of joy enters in. I see Avalon as a place where the glowing embers are banking in.

With much respect.....all the best ......Grizz

[ROMANWKT]

Thanks Grizz, Lester Levenson is one of my favorite teachers. Your thread was the impetus to listen to some youtubes.

Here is a portion of a Lester Levenson talk from 1969 that speaks to miracles like teleportation. The reader has a great voice.

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There are no names and characters is consciousness, yet we are so stuck on an ego identity of high or low consciousness, who care what they are called, their ego and body is dead, what they left was a road to higher understanding of higher consciousness, we should not resurrect the dead or their names, but their consciousness, their names and egos are unimportant, non existent, it does not matter if they existed or not, what matters is the consciousness that was left behind, as all consciousness is the same, but only at higher or lower frequencies, no names, no characters, not necessary, don't get stuck into a biological mass called the body that is then discarded, what was, does not exist, it was just a name that was one a consciousness with a body, and is no more, drop it and dump it, you are the very same consciousness, acquiring more at this moment, other has been, do not matter, you are missing nothing, you are on the gain for higher consciousness, move on don't look back at who was or who wasn't, all that matters is you, only you at the moment, when you got it, really got it and its working for you, then share.

The reason I came to this post here is for the video, listen if you understand the mechanic of what is being said to you, put it on repeat a 100 times, until you have no doubt what is said and what it means, its all that has ever been offered to you by all the old ones, but they still cannot do it for you, listen and remove the obstacles in your life, so that you can really move on, we are not dealing with consciousness, we are daily dealing with obstacles that were put if front of us since birth, listen to the video, remove the placed obstacles, then get on with your real path

Hope you all understand what I mean

Warmest regards

roman

[ROMANWKT]

Wow shock horror, silence.

You to can do these things and more, I have been, now I am gone, the only place you will find me is in your mind, for I don't exist as an object, a face, a name, but as consciousness, I was and am no more only consciousness. as we will all be, dont take things from gross consciousness and bring it with you when you leave this realm, dump it, for it is no more, there is only higher mind consciousness. you are me and I am you, there is nothing more, become free here and aspire for higher heights.

[jack]

Jack,

I don't think much about evil entities. What do you think is there origin? Sorry, I know this is off topic...

Not to go too in depth into the topic in this particular thread but, from my understanding - life is like a game that we, as infinite spiritual beings, have set up in order to learn more about ourselves and the worlds that we have created. In this particular game we are playing here on earth it was designed to be as difficult as possible in order to intensify and promote greater levels of spiritual growth. In order for this to happen there must be an opposite to the light and love which we are, and that was created (out of light I feel compelled to add).

And so it was, the training ground was set. Demonic entities (which are very real) are the polar opposite of who we truly are and that force was created so that we would experience the suffering necessary to fulfill the requirements of this particular game that we established.

That's basically my understanding in a nutshell. It may or may not be correct as it seems in this world it is almost impossible to be sure about anything as reality shifts and changes to accommodate our own expansion of consciousness. It is however my intuitive understanding from all the information I've gathered so far.

I don't really advise delving into the subject of demonology, it brings with it the energy of destruction and merely talking about it is enough to attract those forces into our lives so I would hope that in sharing my understanding it will satisfy your curiosity on the matter and you will feel no further inclination to delve deeper into the subject.

Oh yes and I would just like to add - Always remember that evil is not truly real on the ultimate level. It has been created and is composed of light and is merely playing the "role" of evil for this particular learning experience. You will often hear people say that "evil does not exist" and in a world such as ours where such evil is most obviously apparent we can struggle to make sense of that. What they really mean is that evil has no true existence, it only has a temporary existence in this world and the close levels of existence that surround it for the purposes of learning and understanding for all of us awesome infinite spiritual beings.

[ROMANWKT]

OK then, lets put it in another way,

When you release, remove, let go, of all things, including Christ, Allah, Elohim, Buddha, and all the doctrines and nonsense allocated to this religions, and all the indoctrination via your family friends, teachers, and social mediocrity, as you remove and remove, you will be left with nothing but your realization of your pure consciousness, bringing your creation the ego to a almost non existent state, the fear of death becomes the last stage of release, as there is nothing you are believing in and holding on too, you hear Lester saying at the end that he went through all this, and that he was still in his body, when you have released consistently for a while, its seems there is just nothingness, yet everything, from that stage of internal bliss as a description, a mere thought can manipulate this matrix, this illusion, and prove to oneself that is all just a dream that you can play and manipulate, its not real my friends, all obstacles to the truth are removed, therefore as I had said above, all these obstacles are there placed so that you will never find the truth of what is, we are daily bombarded with social obstacles, nonsense beliefs, arguing about some nonsense Gods, teachers, doctrine, money, education, TV, Films Football, you name it, all are but obstacles, if you do not see this, well what can I say, dump the lot, and let it all go, you don't need it, it need YOU.

[jack]

Nicely put ROMANWKT we must release it all even the ladder we have used to climb up.

Is that you in the picture? You look very much like a gentleman, not the type to be associated with websites such as this. :)

[ROMANWKT]

Nicely put ROMANWKT we must release it all even the ladder we have used to climb up.

Is that you in the picture? You look very much like a gentleman, not the type to be associated with websites such as this. :)

OOps, and what type are then here if not down to earth humanity, that's where I belong, and after a few post here once in a while it is I who is then alienated by you guys here, not the other way round.

Its the best photo I got, so I put it here, the clothes that I am wearing are my wife's fault, we all have crosses to bear my friend hehehe. I have been releasing a great deal, and shes is still here hehehe

These ladders that you mention, turn themselves into loops, you will never get of them until you realize that it leads to nowhere, the sooner one realizes what they were put there in the first place the sooner one sees progress with understanding towards some fulfillment towards the road one wishes to travel, life really is a open book, but not when caught in a mind game loop.

Regards Jack and thank you

roman

[Grizz Griswold]

Wow shock horror, silence.

You to can do these things and more, I have been, now I am gone, the only place you will find me is in your mind, for I don't exist as an object, a face, a name, but as consciousness, I was and am no more only consciousness. as we will all be, dont take things from gross consciousness and bring it with you when you leave this realm, dump it, for it is no more, there is only higher mind consciousness. you are me and I am you, there is nothing more, become free here and aspire for higher heights.

Your posts have been great, what can been added but to say but, Yea, What Roman said!!

My wish would be for your earlier posts on releasing ....Its all nonsense part 1, Manifesting in the matrix its all nonsense part 2 and My friend Lester Levenson were up front here on Avalon[I have them bookmarked]
You really do look nice in that suit.

In gratitude to you friend, all the best......Grizz

[ROMANWKT]

Wow shock horror, silence.

You to can do these things and more, I have been, now I am gone, the only place you will find me is in your mind, for I don't exist as an object, a face, a name, but as consciousness, I was and am no more only consciousness. as we will all be, dont take things from gross consciousness and bring it with you when you leave this realm, dump it, for it is no more, there is only higher mind consciousness. you are me and I am you, there is nothing more, become free here and aspire for higher heights.

Your posts have been great, what can been added but to say but, Yea, What Roman said!!

My wish would be for your earlier posts on releasing ....Its all nonsense part 1, Manifesting in the matrix its all nonsense part 2 and My friend Lester Levenson were up front here on Avalon[I have them bookmarked]
You really do look nice in that suit.

In gratitude to you friend, all the best......Grizz

Hi Grizz

Thank you for your friendship my friend, as you can see that the more you let go, the more you alienate yourself by your outlook that differs from people that are attached to belief and doctrines, I am an very ordinary guy, I am a nobody, I dont care, and I am fine with that. your compassion for humanity will expand as you let go of all the artificial nonsense that we are bombarded daily and throughout our lives, learning does not stop, but identifying does.

Warmest regards Grizz and thank you

roman

[Grizz Griswold]

Hi Grizz

Thank you for your friendship my friend, as you can see that the more you let go, the more you alienate yourself by your outlook that differs from people that are attached to belief and doctrines, I am an very ordinary guy, I am a nobody, I dont care, and I am fine with that. your compassion for humanity will expand as you let go of all the artificial nonsense that we are bombarded daily and throughout our lives, learning does not stop, but identifying does.

Warmest regards Grizz and thank you

roman

Thank you also friend, For years I had felt like the odd man out, the games people play just didn't make sense to me, when I tried to relate to others it had to fit into their mold or they looked at me like I had three heads. Once I was out shopping somewhere with my wife when someone I knew spotted me and said,you look like your'e lost, they didn't know how true their statement was this world had a feel of unreality to me.

Since then Iv'e found out that a good dose of not giving a crap goes a long way, not even trying to fit into the games, doctrines and their belief systems, yes sometimes they still look at me like I have three heads but I no longer care. I have come to see all others as a mirror of myself and my compassion has increased. Many still sleep and that too is ok but some are awakening like you dear friend, Roman and Greybeard and others. I consider you as family as we have joined to walk the same pathway.

The very best to you Roman......Grizz

[Pam]

Jack,

I don't think much about evil entities. What do you think is there origin? Sorry, I know this is off topic...

Not to go too in depth into the topic in this particular thread but, from my understanding - life is like a game that we, as infinite spiritual beings, have set up in order to learn more about ourselves and the worlds that we have created. In this particular game we are playing here on earth it was designed to be as difficult as possible in order to intensify and promote greater levels of spiritual growth. In order for this to happen there must be an opposite to the light and love which we are, and that was created (out of light I feel compelled to add).

And so it was, the training ground was set. Demonic entities (which are very real) are the polar opposite of who we truly are and that force was created so that we would experience the suffering necessary to fulfill the requirements of this particular game that we established.

That's basically my understanding in a nutshell. It may or may not be correct as it seems in this world it is almost impossible to be sure about anything as reality shifts and changes to accommodate our own expansion of consciousness. It is however my intuitive understanding from all the information I've gathered so far.

I don't really advise delving into the subject of demonology, it brings with it the energy of destruction and merely talking about it is enough to attract those forces into our lives so I would hope that in sharing my understanding it will satisfy your curiosity on the matter and you will feel no further inclination to delve deeper into the subject.

Oh yes and I would just like to add - Always remember that evil is not truly real on the ultimate level. It has been created and is composed of light and is merely playing the "role" of evil for this particular learning experience. You will often hear people say that "evil does not exist" and in a world such as ours where such evil is most obviously apparent we can struggle to make sense of that. What they really mean is that evil has no true existence, it only has a temporary existence in this world and the close levels of existence that surround it for the purposes of learning and understanding for all of us awesome infinite spiritual beings.


Jack, thank you for taking the time to provide an explanation and a good one at that. Its really logical and satisfying. Evil,then, and demons play their role in the duality game. I will take your wise advice and leave it at that.

[jack]

Thanks Gerald, We wont wait on others but it's my hope that others will join in with this discussion........ Here is a quote from Lester Levenson.
"Would you want one practical key for quickly reaching the Goal, I would recommend that you take full responsibility for everything that happens to you. We have lost sight of our mastership and have ~eluded ourselves into thinking we are victims in a world that controls us, that pushes us around. It isn't so! We are causing what is happening to us by giving our power, to the external world. If you want to regain your control, you must take full responsibility"

In ROMANWKT,s articles he explains very prolifically how to use Lesters technique plus ROMANWKT also added some of his own techniques which are also very useful. My idea is that if we don't take responsibility for using the processes we won't reap it's benefits. A lot of us have become seekers in which we are constantly looking for that magic pill or idea that will bring us complete enlightenment, and we want it instantly. When it doesn't happen right away off we go again looking for that next new shiny thing. This puts everything into the box of something to happen in the future instead of present time. The main point I,m trying to make is Lester Levensons technique does work but only if we stay with it. There are other pathways but none will benefit us if we don't stay with them.

The Keys to Ultimate Freedom by Lester Levenson are available here. http://www.stillnessspeaks.com/sitehtml/llevenson/keystoultimate.pdf

I hope this is of some benefit and maybe we can help each other down our pathways. Best of everything.....Grizz

I wanted to reply to this because I also feel it is very important. Learning how to release is the complete opposite of the internal process of contraction which we have become more and more adept at our entire lives - That process which we are so used too is one of "contraction" or "suppression", pushing down and trying to escape our negative emotions until they are removed completely from our awareness.

This accumulation of suppressed emotions is what stops us from being our full potential of being an enlightened and incredibly powerful human being. It is this alone, emotions, suppressed emotions, which is the very reason we are not enlightened right this moment. I know this from direct experience ;
- Each time I release something, forgive something, let something go, allow my emotions to be as they are and just watch them until they 'run out' , each time I do this I feel an incredible surge of loving energy throughout my entire being. My entire mental processes become crystal clear in comparison to how they were just moments before the 'release' happened.

I have gone from being consumed with shame, guilt, fear etc to being in a state that I can only compare with some very specific class A drugs. Haha :) I take no shame in admitting that I have used xtc in the past, not only am I shameless in that regard but I am oh so grateful for it, because it gave me a window into the higher levels of consciousness, without which, I would never have thought were even possible.

Ohh yes and I almost forgot my point - It requires incredible dedication to embark upon learning how to release rather then suppress your emotions. You can think of it as requiring the same amount of dedication as it takes to learn a new language, or learn how to walk or even learn how to read and write like you did as a child. It is an alien skill as we have lost complete touch with our ability to manipulate our internal emotional processes in a constructive way.

But to those who are persistent and dedicated to the task at hand, with an "only death can stop me" attitude, the rewards will be so fantastically profound that the effort required to attain them will simply pale in significance.

[Grizz Griswold]

Thanks Gerald, We wont wait on others but it's my hope that others will join in with this discussion........ Here is a quote from Lester Levenson.
"Would you want one practical key for quickly reaching the Goal, I would recommend that you take full responsibility for everything that happens to you. We have lost sight of our mastership and have ~eluded ourselves into thinking we are victims in a world that controls us, that pushes us around. It isn't so! We are causing what is happening to us by giving our power, to the external world. If you want to regain your control, you must take full responsibility"

In ROMANWKT,s articles he explains very prolifically how to use Lesters technique plus ROMANWKT also added some of his own techniques which are also very useful. My idea is that if we don't take responsibility for using the processes we won't reap it's benefits. A lot of us have become seekers in which we are constantly looking for that magic pill or idea that will bring us complete enlightenment, and we want it instantly. When it doesn't happen right away off we go again looking for that next new shiny thing. This puts everything into the box of something to happen in the future instead of present time. The main point I,m trying to make is Lester Levensons technique does work but only if we stay with it. There are other pathways but none will benefit us if we don't stay with them.

The Keys to Ultimate Freedom by Lester Levenson are available here. http://www.stillnessspeaks.com/sitehtml/llevenson/keystoultimate.pdf

I hope this is of some benefit and maybe we can help each other down our pathways. Best of everything.....Grizz

I wanted to reply to this because I also feel it is very important. Learning how to release is the complete opposite of the internal process of contraction which we have become more and more adept at our entire lives - That process which we are so used too is one of "contraction" or "suppression", pushing down and trying to escape our negative emotions until they are removed completely from our awareness.

This accumulation of suppressed emotions is what stops us from being our full potential of being an enlightened and incredibly powerful human being. It is this alone, emotions, suppressed emotions, which is the very reason we are not enlightened right this moment. I know this from direct experience ;
- Each time I release something, forgive something, let something go, allow my emotions to be as they are and just watch them until they 'run out' , each time I do this I feel an incredible surge of loving energy throughout my entire being. My entire mental processes become crystal clear in comparison to how they were just moments before the 'release' happened.

I have gone from being consumed with shame, guilt, fear etc to being in a state that I can only compare with some very specific class A drugs. Haha :) I take no shame in admitting that I have used xtc in the past, not only am I shameless in that regard but I am oh so grateful for it, because it gave me a window into the higher levels of consciousness, without which, I would never have thought were even possible.

Ohh yes and I almost forgot my point - It requires incredible dedication to embark upon learning how to release rather then suppress your emotions. You can think of it as requiring the same amount of dedication as it takes to learn a new language, or learn how to walk or even learn how to read and write like you did as a child. It is an alien skill as we have lost complete touch with our ability to manipulate our internal emotional processes in a constructive way.

But to those who are persistent and dedicated to the task at hand, with an "only death can stop me" attitude, the rewards will be so fantastically profound that the effort required to attain them will simply pale in significance.


Thanks again Jack, for your statement above.

" But to those who are persistent and dedicated to the task at hand, with an "only death can stop me" attitude, the rewards will be so fantastically profound that the effort required to attain them will simply pale in significance".

Says so much about taking the responsibility ourselves and making the choice to choose love instead of fear and correct it.

Romanwkt posted threads on Lester Levenson and releasing that he put his heart into and I wish could always be up front here on Avalon.

Here are the links.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54427-My-Friend-Lester-Levenson

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15834-Its-all-nonsense-part-1

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32896-MANIFESTING-IN-THE-MATRIX-its-all-nonsense-part-2

My gratitude for Romans heartfelt work.:yo:

Best to all...Grizz

[ROMANWKT]

And thank you again for your kind word Jack and Griss

as ever

roman

[Delight]

The only problem that I see for me with looking at Lester Levenson (LL) as a teacher is where my experience just is different and there is no place to translate his words except as a story. Yes, I am absolutely taken by his story and the possibility of happiness. When he shows that he questioned his condition and released his problems, I am applauding so hard as that is exactly what I a passionate in. Like LL once had, I for no good reason in terms of "happiness desire", I have resounding ideas of hurt.

The hurt looks impersonal as if it happened without my volition and I think he shows exactly what is needed...release. If I spend years trying to make sense of why, it shapes and reshapes the hurt in different packaging. The scaffold is the place to dismantle the unhappiness.

But from my experience, I love "feeling" and I wonder if by feeling he means "emotion". Emotion is the triggered replay from a past exposure to life. I know when I get mad for example, it can be completely unrelated to an event. That makes sense. But at the same time, I don't really want to be without feeling...which seems to be energetic oomph. I want to be able to get closer to life and that seems to be about feeling MORE?

So, again, taking his teaching as the way to observe for my experience, I am not sure I can understand being just an observer without a particular desire. What I took well in his teaching is that there is a "perfection" of accepting everything right now. It is what it is and I am more interested myself at the moment in creating a piece of work about a life I am leading.

For instance, I sense a deficit of deep engagement and lack much focused desire. Nothing seems as interesting to me now as I remember it all once was intriguing. In what my seeming circumstances presents is a bit of desert of satisfaction. I don't think I have loved everything today as thoroughly as one might? I HAVE felt separation from my own life in that it looks a little flimsy and insubstantial. If I am going to be in a body, I'd like it to FEEL more rich and full.

So, yes, releasing THIS is what I am attempting...this kind of limbo of lack of desire. However, LL is wonderful to me in that he experienced the way it all fell into place for him. I am releasing concerns that I need to make myself any different than I am this moment.

[Rich]

But at the same time, I don't really want to be without feeling...which seems to be energetic oomph. I want to be able to get closer to life and that seems to be about feeling MORE?
Delight I think you will still be able to feel and feel even more and deeper and also you can desire but you fulfill your desire instantly basically.
For example if you want something but then forget about it and then it comes into your life the desire was fulfilled instantly because there was no thought in between about it.

[Grizz Griswold]

For me its a question of being careful what I digest mentally.
Without being obsessive I have a daily diet of enlightened spiritual works.
Meditation is on going, in an easy not forced way while walking or just sitting.
Re charging the battery or another way of looking at is --- When a coal falls out of the fire it soon looses its warmth and glow, it needs the company of enlightened embers to maintain its energy.
There is only love or fear--- the fear of God is a mistranslation--it means not to fear God but to respect that energy we call God or Source or The Ultimate.
That which you are in Truth.

Thanks for being you Grizz, you make a difference.

Chris

This is the second time I responded to this same post Chris, To me it is a good rule of thumb to live by. So many of us lose ground to the ego who is always looking for drama, what is dramas real attraction but to be what we are not. This statement from the Bible; Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honorable, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Whether one is Christian or not this statement has energy and truth.

There is a responsibility here, which will we be vigilant for? the ego's sick appeal for drama and only a speck of happiness that is as fleeting as a vapor in which no real peace lies.
Or can we be vigilant for our true self? the good, joyful, the infinite.

There is one question which we should ask ourselves when we are tempted by dramas shine......Does it bring me peace of mind? If not we always have the ability to choose again.

Your statement above is a good reminder, we choose what we want and as we choose it is given. When not at peace choose again.

Thank you again Chris......Grizz

[jack]

The only problem that I see for me with looking at Lester Levenson (LL) as a teacher is where my experience just is different and there is no place to translate his words except as a story. Yes, I am absolutely taken by his story and the possibility of happiness. When he shows that he questioned his condition and released his problems, I am applauding so hard as that is exactly what I a passionate in. Like LL once had, I for no good reason in terms of "happiness desire", I have resounding ideas of hurt.

The hurt looks impersonal as if it happened without my volition and I think he shows exactly what is needed...release. If I spend years trying to make sense of why, it shapes and reshapes the hurt in different packaging. The scaffold is the place to dismantle the unhappiness.

But from my experience, I love "feeling" and I wonder if by feeling he means "emotion". Emotion is the triggered replay from a past exposure to life. I know when I get mad for example, it can be completely unrelated to an event. That makes sense. But at the same time, I don't really want to be without feeling...which seems to be energetic oomph. I want to be able to get closer to life and that seems to be about feeling MORE?

So, again, taking his teaching as the way to observe for my experience, I am not sure I can understand being just an observer without a particular desire. What I took well in his teaching is that there is a "perfection" of accepting everything right now. It is what it is and I am more interested myself at the moment in creating a piece of work about a life I am leading.

For instance, I sense a deficit of deep engagement and lack much focused desire. Nothing seems as interesting to me now as I remember it all once was intriguing. In what my seeming circumstances presents is a bit of desert of satisfaction. I don't think I have loved everything today as thoroughly as one might? I HAVE felt separation from my own life in that it looks a little flimsy and insubstantial. If I am going to be in a body, I'd like it to FEEL more rich and full.

So, yes, releasing THIS is what I am attempting...this kind of limbo of lack of desire. However, LL is wonderful to me in that he experienced the way it all fell into place for him. I am releasing concerns that I need to make myself any different than I am this moment.


When someone has reached enlightenment, or in fact even well before that, when a person has even elevated their level of consciousness to "Acceptance", the amount of love one feels in their body, the amount of curiosity and child like intrigue at the world, is greatly increased in comparison to the lower levels.

If you feel that the world has lost its glow then do not mistake that for a high level of consciousness for it cannot be. When the level of consciousness increases the world become a profoundly more interesting and beautiful place. If it is not getting more beautiful then you are not releasing properly and I dont know your personal situation but it could be possible that you are only really suppressing instead. (The thing is, we have been conditioned to suppress our entire lives and it took me 5 years, for lack of information, to get out of "thinking" i was releasing and actually start doing it properly and effectively).

Suppressing and re-suppressing negative emotions is what gives life a dull and darkened complexion, releasing on the other hand, when done correctly, does the exact opposite ; it makes life a far more wonderful and loving experience and enriches every moment with a vibrancy of emotion so much more profound and enjoyable then what is considered "normal" for the average Jo.

[Delight]

When someone has reached enlightenment, or in fact even well before that, when a person has even elevated their level of consciousness to "Acceptance", the amount of love one feels in their body, the amount of curiosity and child like intrigue at the world, is greatly increased in comparison to the lower levels. If you feel that the world has lost its glow then do not mistake that for a high level of consciousness for it cannot be. When the level of consciousness increases the world become a profoundly more interesting and beautiful place. If it is not getting more beautiful then you are not releasing properly and I dont know your personal situation but it could be possible that you are only really suppressing instead.

Suppressing and re-suppressing negative emotions is what gives life a dull and darkened complexion, releasing on the other hand, when done correctly, does the exact opposite ; it makes life a far more wonderful and loving experience and enriches every moment with a vibrancy of emotion so much more profound and enjoyable then what is considered "normal" for the average Jo.

Thanks very much for this response. I really hope I have not been seeming to think I m enlightened!! I like to think too much for that! Actually the frustration is that I resist giving up thinking. It seems that if I can stay in abstracts like truth, beauty, LOVE I am all tingly with energy.

I may be suppressing the very fact that for me, the world of ideas seems more real than the real world. The landscape is beautiful with spring flowers and my environment is pleasantly shabby chic to me. Yet I don't like daily stuff much and what I do is very little because I DO see it as been there done that before. My world still seems like a responsibility to do something.

I see it all abstractly and I look at my body, at eating and I look at human dramas and they look thin. My drama of this is the thinnest of all....

On the one hand I am so much less tense than I used to feel. On the other, I have no drives for anything productive about relationships, career, hobbies. I do like to write (because I think too much and love ideas more than cake). It does matter if they (the ideas) are even useful, I love thinking out what comes up.

The only aspect that I feel really is working is that I like myself much more than I used to do. I can laugh at myself a little. Should I be embarrassed? NO. I feel free of that judge of how I "should" be.

Then I like hearing how others feel so well. People who feel like Mooji, or Lester or you, Chris, all who may be enlightening. Even if I am dulled down and not feeling so well, I love and appreciate that I am. I cannot believe that I am really lost because I feel such gratitude to be off on a limb that I am on.

Even if I am not liking what myself used to like, I know I am OK but I'll still be writing about it because I think too much and writing expresses the pressure as something to do....hehe. Sounds like you feel marvelously and it is encouraging. Thanks. Thanks again.

[jack]

When someone has reached enlightenment, or in fact even well before that, when a person has even elevated their level of consciousness to "Acceptance", the amount of love one feels in their body, the amount of curiosity and child like intrigue at the world, is greatly increased in comparison to the lower levels. If you feel that the world has lost its glow then do not mistake that for a high level of consciousness for it cannot be. When the level of consciousness increases the world become a profoundly more interesting and beautiful place. If it is not getting more beautiful then you are not releasing properly and I dont know your personal situation but it could be possible that you are only really suppressing instead.

Suppressing and re-suppressing negative emotions is what gives life a dull and darkened complexion, releasing on the other hand, when done correctly, does the exact opposite ; it makes life a far more wonderful and loving experience and enriches every moment with a vibrancy of emotion so much more profound and enjoyable then what is considered "normal" for the average Jo.

Thanks very much for this response. I really hope I have not been seeming to think I m enlightened!! I like to think too much for that! Actually the frustration is that I resist giving up thinking. It seems that if I can stay in abstracts like truth, beauty, LOVE I am all tingly with energy.

I may be suppressing the very fact that for me, the world of ideas seems more real than the real world. The landscape is beautiful with spring flowers and my environment is pleasantly shabby chic to me. Yet I don't like daily stuff much and what I do is very little because I DO see it as been there done that before. My world still seems like a responsibility to do something.

I see it all abstractly and I look at my body, at eating and I look at human dramas and they look thin. My drama of this is the thinnest of all....

On the one hand I am so much less tense than I used to feel. On the other, I have no drives for anything productive about relationships, career, hobbies. I do like to write (because I think too much and love ideas more than cake). It does matter if they (the ideas) are even useful, I love thinking out what comes up.

The only aspect that I feel really is working is that I like myself much more than I used to do. I can laugh at myself a little. Should I be embarrassed? NO. I feel free of that judge of how I "should" be.

Then I like hearing how others feel so well. People who feel like Mooji, or Lester or you, Chris, all who may be enlightening. Even if I am dulled down and not feeling so well, I love and appreciate that I am. I cannot believe that I am really lost because I feel such gratitude to be off on a limb that I am on.

Even if I am not liking what myself used to like, I know I am OK but I'll still be writing about it because I think too much and writing expresses the pressure as something to do....hehe. Sounds like you feel marvelously and it is encouraging. Thanks. Thanks again.

:)

Don't get me wrong I have still a ways to go but what I noticed along the way, and feel is so important to share with you guys, is that even one release on one issue instantly creates very profound and beneficial difference in our lives. The hard part is actually learning how to do it properly.

It took me 5 years of doing it wrong before I finally read something that clarified the technique more clearly, and started making real releases which made an absolutely profound difference in all levels of my experience, which is why I used the association with class A drugs, as anyone who has experience with them, especially xtc, will be familiar with the profoundly warm and loving feeling that comes into ones body under the influence of such, as i like to call them, peekaboo tools.

My hope with sharing these things is to inspire both you and anyone else who is reading ; I know so well that it is not easy, it can take a long time to learn and often times we will become disheartened and almost loose interest, but if one only perseveres and persists, the rewards are so fantastic it almost brings tears to my eyes when i imagine the profound difference between the emotional and spiritual states available to me today when compared with just 1 year ago and the fact that my words may help bring about the encouragement necessary to inspire someone to seek these states of consciousness for themselves.

[Rich]

If you feel that the world has lost its glow then do not mistake that for a high level of consciousness for it cannot be.

But don't confuse it with going backwards... it's just darkness from own consciousness that comes up for healing. While I felt hopeless at times when that happens it always turns out to be a great blessing when I change my attitude about the situation.




Actually the frustration is that I resist giving up thinking. It seems that if I can stay in abstracts like truth, beauty, LOVE I am all tingly with energy.

I wouldn't worry about it, if you are being yourself then you become detached (because you just feel good about being what you are) and quite the mind automatically. But I am of the opinion that we don't have to give up thinking, it's part of life and life is made of thought.



The only aspect that I feel really is working is that I like myself much more than I used to do.

And what more is needed? :)

[minkton]

jack, hello. Thankyou fo sharing about the joy that releasing brings. I would love to know your technique.

I feel I have a lot that needs releasing and is blocked.

[jack]

jack, hello. Thankyou fo sharing about the joy that releasing brings. I would love to know your technique.

I feel I have a lot that needs releasing and is blocked.

Ok, you asked for it minkton :)


(If you would like a challenge you can simply skip down to the technique, in blue writing at the bottom, and try it straight out of the box. The text below is a more in depth and descriptive explanation which i definitely recommend reading in order to arm yourself with the correct information needed to really cut down the time it takes to learn this.)

I first heard about releasing quite a number of years ago. The resources at the time were very limited so it took me quite some time to get a grasp of the true meaning of the concepts which are often used in describing the topic of releasing emotional blockages.

What i'll explain here is by far the most effective method I have developed over 6 years of trial and error. Over the course of this time I had become incredibly adept at doing releasing.. the wrong way, which was quite a strenuous and painful experience to which my wife can attest :)

After many rolling pins over the head and through process of elimination, like that moment when Michelangelo chipped away the final rough pieces from his great sculpture 'David', I was left with the final masterpiece of internal processes which, when combined, led to any emotion, no matter how profound, no matter how painful and overwhelming, to leave my body never to return again.

I wanted to emphasize that "never" because I had so much confusing moments when I first started releasing, wondering "did I release that" "I 'think' that might have released" ie ; There was not any kind of dramatic change after the releasing session was finished even though the emotion may have been pushed out of awareness (suppression).

Let me clarify here, so that you will be in no doubt as to when you are making real progress - when you actually do a successful release, on any emotion, the results are profound. Instantly, our consciousness expands and our awareness grows and our emotional self feels like it just dropped 90lbs of emotional baggage that it was clinging on too all this time. I say this so you wont spend months, like I did, doing the same technique that isnt getting you anywhere, over and over again, because you "think" you might be making progress. If your not having profound spiritual experiences after a day or two then adjust your internal technique and try again.

My hope is that by sharing this information it will give people who are struggling with their emotions, with their releasing, a more descriptively rich resource to refer to for a more thorough understanding of these internal processes.

The problem with something like learning to release is that it is an entirely alien skill. We have such little frame of reference to allow us to use words and language to any great effect in order too describe exactly what it is one 'does' when they successfully release a painful emotion. Its like trying to tell a person, who has never wiggled their toe before, how to wiggle their toe and all we have to do this with is words. This is the dilemma I face in writing this guide so we will leave it to the magic of the universe to help us overcome this dilemma.

Lets explain a little more about the technique.

In a brief summary, in scenario context, here it is ; "You are sitting in your chair. There is an overwhelming feeling of sadness which permeates your entire being. You notice that this sadness seems to perpetuate itself by focusing on things in this world which seemingly justify its existence.

Perhaps you've just seen an article on youtube of that boeing-777 which disappeared over Malaysia with all of those poor people, oh how sad and cruel a world this is. - But, what if someone said to you that the sadness you are feeling is not caused by this seemingly tragic event. What if that sadness was already inside you all the time, compressed into a tight ball of energy somewhere in the body and the seemingly tragic event simply triggered it to explode out and permeate throughout your entire body as an emotion.

The ordinary reaction is to fight this feeling, say no too it, push it away, run away, have a drink, go to the pub, ring a friend, anything but just sit there and allow it to be there.

Our desperate scramble of distraction to find anything possible outside of ourselves in order to take our awareness away from the emotion, the pains, the sensations. We unwittingly keep looking at more and more sorrowful scenarios which only tend to further perpetuate our miserable feeling. Then, eventually, after we've spent 8 hours tensed up in our seat reading every available thread on Godlikeproductions, we just say " $*@^ it ", collapse back into the chair and almost in a way, 'give up' and stop fighting the feeling. To our surprise (or self pity for that wasted 8 hours) we discover that the emotion begins to subside and dissipate until eventually we are 'back to our old selves' or back to our overall level of consciousness. This is actually common enough of an occurrence that everybody has experienced it at least once but more commonly, quite a number of times.

What I will try to portray in these writings is the internal mechanisms behind that "giving up" process, as this was never thoroughly explained to me in a way that allowed me to sit down and "get it" in just a few attempts. It in fact took me many years of constant attempting until my first glimmer of success but perhaps this was a karmic process specific to my particular situation and your mileage may vary by utilizing this technique at the begging of your "thats it, im sick of it, im going free no matter what" journey.

Mankind's spiritual progress is in its infancy at the moment. When computers were first created there were few experts out there to seek information from if you were interested in learning. This lack of informative data made learning how to use a computer far more difficult and time consuming back then than it is today. My hopes are that we will encounter a similar situation. That the "discovering" or "trail blazing" of the technique has been accomplished so you are now able to benefit from the fruits of its results.

Now for the technique ;

Next time an emotion comes up, be it fear, panic, anxiety, depression, anger, whatever it may be, take a moment to go somewhere quite, sit down or lay down, whichever you prefer, and allow that feeling to be there. Take the stance of the watcher , the observer. Rather then allow your attention to be drawn to the stories which justify the emotion, instead switch the focus to the emotion itself in an observer like fashion. This requires zero effort, which is in fact comically ironic since such a great thing can come with such little effort. "Right under our noses" is a phrase that springs to mind.

Your intention throughout this process will be one of relaxation and acceptance. Do not force the emotion to become something else, do not try to change it, do not try to do anything about it other then simply observe it in an almost disconnected fashion. The mind will likely interrupt with something very important and it will likely do this very often.

- Each time a thought or image or tv screen of random images appears in your mind, the way to deal with is to simply allow them to be there. They will appear from nowhere and gradually build up intensity until at their peak, then they will start to diminish in power and gradually fade back into the nothingness from which they arose ; This is the natural behavior of both thoughts and emotions (which are intrinsically linked) when not obstructed by the resistance created when we internally say "no!" to a person, situation,event or thought and it is the core of this technique as it is effective for both thoughts, all other mental processes and emotions as well.

If we were to sum up exactly what is to blame, for us not being enlightened, in just one word, it would be, "No!". It starts with No to mommy taking our bottle. Eventually its turned into No! to the war in Syria, No! to the genetically modified food, No! to the hysteria in the media, No! to the lies, No! to the deceit, No! to the lack of proper education, No! No! No! to all of the worlds imperfections.

We have built up such a database of no's that its a wonder we haven't turned into a big "No!".. or have we?... There is mountains of evidence to indicate that a vast majority of major health problems are caused by and exasperated by, stress. Stress is the internal reaction, the internal constriction, which is a result of taking a mental and emotional stance of "No!" on something or other which we do not want to be a part of our reality.

Because so many areas of our bodies are tensed up with suppressed "no's" they are no longer nourished with the vital life force necessary to ensure a healthy and productive physical, emotional and mental life. Those areas, stagnant of life force, begin to self destruct, leading to the destruction of the body and eventually leading to the body becoming uninhabitable.

"No" is a destructive attitude and because we are not educated about these things and are instead thrust into an environment with countless sources of anxiety beamed to us on a consistent basis, this destructive force has radiated out into the world, from ourselves, which we can see today when we turn on our televisions, read the papers, talk to friends, walk down the street, see the homeless people, see the corruption, see our society being torn apart at its very seams.

I hope that I have adequately conveyed the destructive nature of "no". It will make it much easier for you to accept the infinitely more beneficial option of saying "yes".

Saying Yes. Saying "Ok".

When we say "yes", we open up. Internally there is a letting go, a relaxing, a softening. We become the observer rather than the thinker. If a painful emotion is there, because we have deeply said yes to it, we now find ourselves with the ability to simply observe it in its true form without the interruptions of mental noise which are a phenomena that arises from taking the stance of saying "no".

If we remain with our stance of "yes" to the presence of the emotion, however painful it may be, if we truly and deeply allow it to be there without trying to do anything about it, only simply observe, then the emotion will begin to live out its natural function and unimpeded it gradually leaves the body. Once it is gone, that specific issue is gone forever along with the millions of thoughts, images and soundtracks which accompany each suppressed emotion.

I think i'll leave it there for now but im more then happy to answer any questions which might help clarify this a bit more.



All the best!

[minkton]

Ok! Presence and Acceptance.


Thankyou for explaining so clearly. I find I have deep issues which flicker to the surface, then subside, as if I have faulty wiring... you know, like when a light flickers on and off if there is a loose connection.

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I will follow your protocol and just stay put, even despite the emotion slipping back underground, as it were.

[jack]

Ok! Presence and Acceptance.


Thankyou for explaining so clearly. I find I have deep issues which flicker to the surface, then subside, as if I have faulty wiring... you know, like when a light flickers on and off if there is a loose connection.

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I will follow your protocol and just stay put, even despite the emotion slipping back underground, as it were.


See how you go for a few days with it and if you feel like your not making any progress you can pop back here and we will talk it over and figure out where your going wrong with the technique.

Best of luck :)

[Grizz Griswold]

Here again are methods related to Lester Levenson

Roman posted these threads on Lester Levenson and releasing, I feel would help anyone let go of the blocks to loves presence.

Here are the links.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54427-My-Friend-Lester-Levenson

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15834-Its-all-nonsense-part-1

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32896-MANIFESTING-IN-THE-MATRIX-its-all-nonsense-part-2

My gratitude for Romans heartfelt work.

Best to all...Grizz

[Gerald Paris]

I was unable to access any of these links.

[Grizz Griswold]

I was unable to access any of these links.

Thanks for the heads up G..............all seem to be working now........Grizz

[Grizz Griswold]

Here is a video on Lester Levenson i haven't seen before.

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barry