‘You Have No Idea How Bad It Is,’ Says 'Ex-Spook' On Destruction Of US..!

[jackovesk]

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March 20, 2014

On Wednesday it was reported that America's enemies within, mainly those who are part of the "progressive movement," are very close to their ultimate goal of the complete demise of the Republic has envisioned by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Today there is even more disturbing news.

An "ex-spook" as they are known, in other words a retired member of the CIA :spy:, stated concerning the effort to destroy the U.S., "You have no idea how bad it is." The enemies of freedom and the Constitution within the country, he said, have now succeeded in putting most of their goals in place. "Think of how far they have come since 2008," he continued, "Most Americans don't even recognize their own country anymore. They feel like foreigners in their own land."

"If we continue down the present path," he concluded, "Our liberties will be dust in the wind by 2016. These people are organized, relentless, persistent, and dangerous. And they have been at it since the early 1900s."

The former agent did not wish to be more specific about what he knows due to the fact that if he did so, it would be easy enough to figure out his identity based upon the in-depth knowledge he has of certain facts.

These "enemies within" are generally known as progressives, although the term has fallen in and out of vogue based upon changing perceptions of the public. Progressives are known under a variety of names. Liberals, collectivists, statists, Marxists, neo-Marxists, socialists, and "democratic consensus builders" are some of the more common terms that people who stand for freedom and liberty have used to describe progressives. But it all boils down to the same thing. In order for them to achieve their self-described utopia, human freedom and liberty must be severely restricted and controlled, and the power of the centralized government must be greatly strengthened.

In the previous report issued Wednesday it was noted how the enemy within has gone about attempting to reach their goals. Today we go further in making some eye-opening disclosures that shed more light on this most dangerous scenario.

The progressives/Marxists/collectivists are willing to do anything to advance their agenda, even if it means lying incessantly to the public, or even toying with the lives of citizens, using them as guinea pigs for mass social experimentation.

An example of one of the most despicable of these experiments is to be found during the mid-1960s under President Lyndon Baines Johnson (LBJ). Very few except those with high security clearances within the government and LBJ's inner circle knew about this program. Even fewer know about it today. It was never reported or acknowledged. And most who knew the details are now deceased. A few, however, are still alive and well, and they know the full story.

One of these persons, an attorney who worked with one of the entities involved in this scheme, explained in very simple language what, exactly, took place. This is his story verbatim:


“When LBJ became president after the assassination of John F. Kennedy in 1963, most of us who were in the know were aware of the ominous turn of events this would signify. LBJ was one of the most despicably wicked human beings who ever occupied the Oval Office. He would do anything to get elected on his own right in 1964. Barry Goldwater, the Republican who would oppose him, had been looking forward to having a series of debates with Kennedy across the country. They had already worked it out. But when Kennedy was killed and it became clear that he would face LBJ instead, he privately told his aides that the election was already over, that LBJ was perhaps the most vile and dishonest character in American politics at the time.

“LBJ wanted the support of the egg and dairy farming industry. Being from Texas, he felt it would look very bad if did not get the support of this significantly large portion of the farming industry. But the egg and dairy farmers, for various reasons, balked. They would not throw their support behind LBJ. Well, Johnson was furious. So, he courted and won the support of the grain farmers. But that was not all. After the election he wanted revenge on the egg and dairy farmers, and he wanted to reward the grain farmers for supporting him.

“This is where things get downright spooky, but I can vouch for its truth. Johnson decided that he and his administration would issue a new concept -- a "food pyramid" that would "help" children and their parents make good food choices, not to mention those who are older and suffering from various maladies. The problem for the milk and egg industry is that the pyramid recommended that citizens severely restrict their intake of dairy products, particularly eggs. But to the delight of the grain farmers, the pyramid recommended a dramatic increase in the consumption of grain products such as bread, cereal, crackers, and the like.

“Johnson leaned on his government physicians to place their stamp of approval on this scheme by claiming that if Americans ate according to the recommendations of the pyramid, they could eradicate heart disease, strokes, and other cardiovascular diseases. Soon everyone had jumped on the bandwagon. Doctors were telling their patients that they needed to cut way back on eggs and dairy and eat lots of grains, vegetables, and fruits. Some went so far as to tell their heart patients that they were restricted to one or two eggs per week, but an even better choice was to eliminate them altogether.

“Most Americans who grew up in the 50s, 60s, and 70s are well aware of this infamous government food pyramid. The problem was that none of it, not one word, was true.”


It turned out that after multimillions of Americans were beset with obesity, early onset diabetes and a myriad of other dangerous diseases that come from it, that all those grains the government had been pumping down their throats was not such a good idea after all. And lo and behold, it turned out that eggs will not, in themselves, cause heart disease. A person can eat two eggs per day, along with milk, meats, cheeses, and some non-starchy vegetables, and not only will they keep their weight under check but they will avoid most of the diseases that afflict millions of Americans, including heart disease and diabetes. This is, of course, provided that you do some exercise and severely restrict sugar intake. That means grains and starchy vegetables as well as sweets.

In short, Johnson was willing for multimillions of Americans to die prematurely and become afflicted with dangerous diseases all because he wanted power and would punish anyone or any industry that got in his way.

This is the essence of the progressive/Marxist/collectivist. Citizens are not human beings to be respected. They are slaves, subjects, vermin on which to conduct their experiments and if necessary, kill them.

This lesson is also a good example of the mindset of the progressive/collectivist. Government is here to tell us what to eat, how much of it we are allowed to have, what to drink and how much, and who knows how many other directives that are "for our own good." Try telling that to the countless numbers of Americans who got diabetes and died from it simply because they were doing what their government told them to do in order to "be healthy."

And if we happen to lose a million people here or a million people there in the process, that is no major price to pay for finding out how human beings react to certain experiments government wishes to conduct on them, "for their own good."

However, the really disturbing factor in all of this is that these ideas, concepts, and proposals that seem to have come straight out of Hitler's Germany or Stalin's USSR are still being utilized today by America's enemy within. Collectivists still want to meddle in our eating and drinking habits, to the point that citizens are forbidden from eating too much fat in NYC restaurants and school kids increasingly are not allowed to bring their own lunches to school unless they pass "the food police test," that is, what they will be eating is acceptable to the government educational complex.

In addition, citizens all across America are being told that they are barred, by law, from growing their own food. Why?

It is all about power. You, the individual citizen, must have none. But government and the elitists that run it must have all of it.

But another obvious problem is the government's Fascist collaboration with the mega-food corporations who want a monopoly on what the citizens eat. And even more disturbing is America's complicit scheming with one of the most evil organizations that has ever existed -- the United Nations.

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PS - There it is again that "Word" ((PROGRESSIVE))...:scared:

Formed from the "Left-Leaning Liberal (Psychopaths) who literally want to (Kill & Mame) you any which they can...!!!

[Carmody]

Note, in this article, that one cannot tell the difference between a Marxist, a communist, a capitalist, a liberal, a republican, a neocon, or a fascist.

There is a sound reason for that.

There are those who desire to control, to be in power, have low empathy,and are definitely willing to kill to get their way and usually do kill to get their way.

There are good people who care about each other, and then there are these power mongers and control freaks, who don't specifically have affiliations and labels. They simply permeate all offices of power and greed that they can,and they work with one another.

It is an 'us against them' scenario. No parties, no groups..... just real caring thinking human beings..... against sociopathic deluded man-things.

This is the way it has always been. It is those who covet, who scheme to divide the world into being divisive, via enforcing the idea of labels and groups.

[Siren Master]

This article is awful on so many levels. Smear piece about progressive and liberals. Save yourselves the trouble of reading this, folks.

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[ Mod-edit: as Carmody noted in the previous post, it's not about the labels. I encourage other members of Avalon not to react to the labeling in this post. -- Paul. ]

[jackovesk]

This article is awful on so many levels. Smear piece about progressive and liberals. Save yourselves the trouble of reading this, folks.

Your cause has been (HIGHJACKED) by a bunch of (Murdering Psychopaths)...:yes4:

Left leaning Liberals are the very vein of (Destruction) in so many ways, yet the (Fools) who support the Ideology are ignorant too it...:wizard:

Blind :shocked: Ideology = No Ideology...!

[Synchronicity]

Wow. Just wow. If the labels didn't matter they wouldn't be calling out any groups by name. Not all conservatives can be described on a few bad apples and neither can all liberals. It's one thing to disagree with a party platform or know some people who belong to a party and are jerks, and not liking any party makes sense too, but this isn't even logical. It's all fear-based and designed to make a group be "the scary other who is ruining the world". Does that broad sweep of the brush represent the opinions of most of the community here, or was that original post the opinion of one poster? There are good and bad people in all parties, hate to tell you.

[jackovesk]

Wow. Just wow. If the labels didn't matter they wouldn't be calling out any groups by name. Not all conservatives can be described on a few bad apples and neither can all liberals. It's one thing to disagree with a party platform or know some people who belong to a party and are jerks, and not liking any party makes sense too, but this isn't even logical. It's all fear-based and designed to make a group be "the scary other who is ruining the world". Does that broad sweep of the brush represent the opinions of most of the community here, or was that original post the opinion of one poster? There are good and bad people in all parties, hate to tell you.

Implosion within one's own mind
The Message Loud & Clear
Progressive this Progressive that
The word has a ring to deceive
What's right is Wrong
and So it goes on
Til the Fools Wake up and
Stop singing their Song..!

[Synchronicity]

Okay...gotcha. You are right and everyone who feels or thinks differently is wrong...thanks for clarifying and have a good night :)

[Azt]

I think it is one of those articles that makes you at least question what people (doctors, governments ...) tell you what is good for you.
There is always a reason behind and most of the time this "reason" is not in your favor.

[jackovesk]

Okay...gotcha. You are right and everyone who feels or thinks differently is wrong...thanks for clarifying and have a good night :)

Its got nothing to do with that...:nono:

Its got to do with the (Progressive Ideology) being 'Highjacked' by the PTW

Remember these ((Progressive Policies))



Agenda 21
Global Warming
Carbon Tax


Ya see, what initially sounds like a (Good Idea) is projected into the System as (Group Think) by the PTW and if anyone who doesn't like their (Group Think - Ideology) there opinions have been shut-down by those pushing the :bs:

Left or Right - Who gives an effing toss...:faint:

This was only put in to Wake Up those who acknowledge the (Left/Right) Paradigm...


Formed from the "Left-Leaning Liberal (Psychopaths) who literally want to (Kill & Mame) you any which they can...!!!


It has never been my intention to label anyone, just merely trying to ((Wake-Up)) those blind (Group Think) followers to the Truth...:yes4:

[Synchronicity]

But you do use labels and you do seem to feel you must wake up people who don't see things as you do. I don't argue politics or religion, so I won't comment further after this post. All sides can argue passionately and give "facts" or facts, opinions, reasons, and justifications for feeling that they are the ones who are right, and it doesn't mean there is only one right way to see things or that if someone feels differently the person must be asleep or clueless. But I understand what you are saying and you surely have as much right to your opinions as anyone else does. You don't like Liberals or Progressives as shown in your posts on this thread, so why pretend you aren't talking about one group? Just be honest about it...no biggie. Some say the same about conservatives and some don't like any party, but maintaining that you aren't labeling people or that any label can be used instead is illogical from what I am reading when I see you calling one group names...fools? vein of destruction? Your whole first post is full of hyperbole, and it's obvious you don't like the Progressive platform or left-leaning liberals. Why post all those dramatic statements and then say it isn't aimed at one group? I don't care personally...just think it's kind of funny to call all those names and say they are dooming the Constitution and country and then say you aren't labeling..lol.

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I think it is one of those articles that makes you at least question what people (doctors, governments ...) tell you what is good for you.
There is always a reason behind and most of the time this "reason" is not in your favor.

I would individuals as well, though. It's not just government and doctors who have agendas...individuals and other groups, including businesses, do as well. Sometimes the agendas are for good and sometimes they aren't, but they are there.

[jackovesk]

But you do use labels and you do seem to feel you must wake up people who don't see things as you do. I don't argue politics or religion, so I won't comment further after this post.

All sides can argue passionately and give "facts" or facts, opinions, reasons, and justifications for feeling that they are the ones who are right, and it doesn't mean there is only one right way to see things or that if someone feels differently the person must be asleep or clueless.


But I understand what you are saying and you surely have as much right to your opinions as anyone else does. You don't like Liberals or Progressives as shown in your posts on this thread, so why pretend you aren't talking about one group?

Just be honest about it...no biggie. Some say the same about conservatives and some don't like any party, but maintaining that you aren't labeling people or that any label can be used instead is illogical from what I am reading when I see you calling one group names...fools?

vein of destruction? Your whole first post is full of hyperbole, and it's obvious you don't like the Progressive platform or left-leaning liberals. Why post all those dramatic statements and then say it isn't aimed at one group?

I don't care personally...just think it's kind of funny to call all those names and say they are dooming the Constitution and country and then say you aren't labeling..lol.


You've had plenty of...

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I'll now let you "Wallow in your own Mire" & Agree to Disagree...:noidea:

I just wish that you would have mentioned some of the (Policies) you are in such support of so we can (understand) the ever increasing 'Secret Mask' you are hiding behind...:faint:

[grannyfranny100]

Fan the flames of hate with name calling and division of the masses. Watch the PTB and their disinformation agents jump with joy. And the archons, if they exist, feed on your fear as a banquet.

[RichD]

Divide and conquer is always the name of the game to disempower ........

Not sure why :confused: but Graham Hancock's 'Wargod' popped into my head

http://www.grahamhancock.com/wargod/

[jackovesk]

WTF is wrong with putting all the cards on the table, open for discussion...:noidea:

Gutless is as Gutless does...:faint:

...and the (Fear) Warcry is about as farcical & current as when "Auntie Jack" got her left 'TiT' caught in the mangle...:crazy:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnEOr1MgwTM

[Agape]

No, it explains something . The way people think and behave in any collectivistic regimes changes their mentality , good or bad , for generations .
The system - the 'hive' - takes care of everything , not immediately but people get used to it, it's comfy . It turns them to little fearful flock of sheep who won't do anything that would bring 'an issue' with approved and accepted authorities .

We call it 'culture' , 'education' and the 'norm' . En mass subliminal programming of what is the real 'credos' of life and ways to live and think and what are you supposed to be like .
Because you're what they told you . If you feel/think differently .. there's definitely .. something wrong with you and they have doctors to sort it out .

The problem Jacko , is that both 'left wing' and 'right wing' ideologies in their extreme impose the same idea , or say 'we are forced to implement such n such measures' and basically bring nations to the same situations and scenarios,
the 'controllers' behave the same at the 'pyramid top'. The pyramid does not need to be 'created' even ,
it's one of the natural structures .. such as it is with circle or a globe . In absence of social structure , someone with enough credentials simply declare themselves the top of the hierarchy .. suppose he has at least few people to fall to his feet .. the feat is accomplished of forming new structure , sooner or later .

The problem is for people are made to believe things ... that aren't real and not very many are questioning what 'real' is . It takes levels of understanding to cross ..

and speaking of pyramid .. even if you arrive at metaphorical 'top level' with the greatest overview of this world .. and see who you are and how every thing , every one living within these 'systems' is unwillingly or not compromised, or being compromised ,
who are you .. left alone , a homeless man under the Starry Sky .. one child crying to the night .. with your superb views .


Oh well. And yes very few people ever get the idea of 'how bad it is ' in reality .



:angel:

[Lifebringer]

Ex-spook of the Cia aka AQ doctors, you're listening to one of them that escaped persecution for doing all the dirty deeds he is smearing Progressives and Liberals with. It appears that they really are shaking in their boots over the truth, and will lie to those who are aware of what is going on and point at someone else, once again. No surprise.
He's not a whistleblower, to correct the problems he evidently had full insight on, (mind you w/out telling a soul) until he was backed against a barrage of ssg nasty crap done in our name by his buddies in the circle of deceit since Kennedy. The circle is still there, and the mystery is now unfolding, they are being found out, watch who's suddenly pointing fingers, or they'll survive another day/year/century without being put in jail.

I really am surprised, your gut wasn't in on this, but the thrill of a possible kill for the political parties that hid all this info over the years. It's the reasons why progressives cross all party lines. WE are Constitutional Americans first ONLY instead of picking and choosing the amendments we follow, we follow them all, and make sure there's no stupid laws, like Citizen's United, or Repealing of Glass Steigel, or Not letting Granny die before the grandchild by holding back her pills. Grandmas are wise, it's not surprising they want to keep experienced knowledge from reaching the youth who are to have this country shortly. If nobody tells them of the wrongs/pitfalls still in place by these corrupt and bribed out corporate slugs, then they will continue selling everyone's dreams, hopes, and laws up the river to the highest bidder on wall street working for KOCH Industry. They already bought Rudy's security all over NY to blackmail most who work for them.

Really, just surprised the gibberish wasn't picked up. Test it jack, test it, and if they attack you for asking, then it's irrational. What does this guy have to hide, how deep in the rabid hole, was he? Cia had plans in 2007 to cause martial law, and the he//raisers are still out there jack. Do you want martial law, where the people will have NO say. They put laws in that can have you shot for destruction of property, remember. They care more about the cost of a building, than the people standing under it when they blow it up.


Be careful not to help others point fingers, who were knee deep in the stew, if you know what I mean. I passed over this a couple of times, because it just felt, how do you say, "flamboyant and paranoid" but I knew not where the feeling was coming from and so I clicked. Jack it really "gut feeling" feels like this guy is setting you up. You've posted quite a lot of stuff, becareful okay? Watch him like a hawk, is how I'd do it. Feel him out, does he feel paranoid, spooky, and don't say it's because he's on the run, because his story, sounds farse/made up. Just saying it w/love jack, learn all that he'll tell and just verify. They're shaking in their boots and don't want to do all that time hanging over their heads. To throw a few monkey wrenches in the work of the people, can give them another 10 years plundering, and we really can't afford it healthwise. They are playing with bioweapons now unleashed in western Africa, with a incubation of 2-21 days which can expose plenty of people before the symptoms show. I think it's time to keep the thinking caps on, be prepared for the rats that are cunning and jumping the ship, and invading where the light is to find out how much you know and if they can lead you to their advantage, which the CIA has always been rogue, and unpredictable overseas on OUR dollars, keeping our R&D from US/Citizens/Tax Payers. Technology that could have prevented so many asthma and bronchitis attacks, cancers, metals in our waters.

Progress for the People, scares the beJeebers out of 'em.

All I'm saying as an observer*for now) is watch them running out their holes for cover under someone or somegroup that is found to be safe, as in "cointelpro." It's worked for them in the 60's, listen to your heart, listen to what he is saying and then ask, is it about him or all of us or is he paranoid and not in touch with himself?
It's hard for them to grasp that we are truly waking up and their game is almost over. It stops now jack. You and I are not the ones/generations to let it pass without accountability or jail, and they are scared to go to "real people jail" like Rikers, or some other place of questionable protection of the derrier. They know they're time is up and it is rattling all the snakes, rats, vermin, critters and corporate slugs that stole our country legally and put us where we are today. They cannot be in charge of the children's and grandchildren's future. Their corporate psycho instituted think tanks have cracked and are leaking all the secrets, because the people like this guy are tired of the lies and deceit, but they are only a small part, and may be being used to gather for the cia. Careful treading fellow human being, this is said in unconditional love for protection of the seekers, and we all could use a little prayer when dealing with cia op. I'm nursing a toxic cell soup right now,:sick: so the medication may be kicking it, but I doubt it. Just be careful of this guy jack, you're a valued member here, and they are so damned sneaky:lock1:

Good day mate.

[delfine]

jackovesk, I find it rather self-contradictory, that you use so much effort to wake people up to "how bad it really is" concerning the destruction of America by the power-elite, and at the same time you non-chalantly call them: "The powers that were", as if they´re not worth taking into consideration, and nothing to worry about. :confused:

[Lifebringer]

Okay...gotcha. You are right and everyone who feels or thinks differently is wrong...thanks for clarifying and have a good night :)

Its got nothing to do with that...:nono:

Its got to do with the (Progressive Ideology) being 'Highjacked' by the PTW

Remember these ((Progressive Policies))



Agenda 21
Global Warming
Carbon Tax


Ya see, what initially sounds like a (Good Idea) is projected into the System as (Group Think) by the PTW and if anyone who doesn't like their (Group Think - Ideology) there opinions have been shut-down by those pushing the :bs:

Left or Right - Who gives an effing toss...:faint:

This was only put in to Wake Up those who acknowledge the (Left/Right) Paradigm...


Formed from the "Left-Leaning Liberal (Psychopaths) who literally want to (Kill & Mame) you any which they can...!!!


It has never been my intention to label anyone, just merely trying to ((Wake-Up)) those blind (Group Think) followers to the Truth...:yes4:

Jack, I take offense for being a Progressive Independent who used to be a Democrat. I'm an Independent thinker of solutions offered to the whole, that hopefully will solve or resolve problems faced today, including the people who have had their education "pillaged" and are showing it daily.

I know that there are "corporate Progressives that the PEOPLE Progressives kick the poo out of. They are the ones that think greed, and yes they are the same money focused groups with millions, however they want to do the good things the people want with their money, and NOT have the toxic results others on wall street perpetrate.
Our list consists of:
Enviornmental safety and protection of all species of trees, fish, bears, birds that we can without imfringement of progress for the people. Living together naturally and not damaging habitats

Healthy children and people that can live a full life without side effect drugs on the markets that make the health or disease worse.(We are the doctors that believe in open minded cures of the East, West and Nature
The body is natural, and we know the cells, which is our concern since these bass-turds set this plague off in Africa. (Damn them all for resources)

Prosperity and equal opportunity to be educated with a great education, anybody want an extensive after getting that opportunity, should be able to get a job that sustains them or their family as they pay for a school loan they themselves select as a payment plan. You see the people going to buy a car are on budgets and KNOW what they can afford, and the corporate greed people, want to tack on more and more, until the buyer has to give up some part of their life to fulfill a contract because of excessive interest, fees and the whole rigamarole.

System's so corrupt, it's needs the PEOPLES PROGRESSIVES UNITED TO SWAT THOSE CRIMINALS . WE cross party lines we are everywhere. and we aren't gullible, just smart. WE don't play mind games, but we know the ones who do, and they're no match for the truth. I like being a winner jack. A winner for the good of all that is good.
If that's your idea of psycho, then I hope to be the best one to take them down at their own crap they shovel, only where they LIE, WE tell the Truth. It's like Kryptonite, and it works without shooting, killing or dying if you do it right. It's like chess. That's the world we live in now and you have to be three to four moves ahead.
Glad to hear they're so scared. The should be. This time there's not turning around. This time they get what they've sown. Jailtime in a "real people's jail." Maybe they'll have enough time to get cured of all the murderous thoughts, intent, hate and everything else they do to us? One thing for sure, you know, we will jail them if they are found guilty and the evidence of this and another rogue branch that should have been pruned in the 70's and again in the 80's w/ Ollie Northgate.

Good memories of the Matriarch/elderly, are just the sanitation and light needed today.
I am not mad at those who haven't seen what I've seen, or read what I've read, and peered inside to ask for answers. I just keep having to go back down, stay a moment, then rise back up. Grandma's rule with a gentle yet firm hand on the little spoiled brats of destruction to her "porcelain or china/Grands" We love them enough to tell them the truth, and show the way to avoid pitfalls because we survive. A lot of Grandparents are progressives that have seen the evil in the world, watched the destruction because the majority was misled by distraction, until the wave of info/awakening began. Now we will continue to clean up the mess around the planet for our children and expose those who do murder, maim, poison for money.
Our children who are educating and scrambling right now to make ends meet, are depending on it. That means "us" jack. You can't go wrong, when you do it for the all together. Life works, I choose life, not toxin sky scenerios or black oceans.

[Lifebringer]

at the same time you non-chalantly call them: "The powers that were", as if they´re not worth taking into consideration, and nothing to worry about."

It's true, they are a "WERE" their timeline was up, and unless we pick up the pace and finish the work we've come to do, it will just take more time. I feel the past tense should be used to describe the past, don't you? I mean, it's our timeline now, and they've ruined the place.

Powers that were DON'T DESERVE CONSIDERATION because with all the warnings in their time, they didn't consider others, and karma is a real myche when she's ready to roll around.

[Eram]

Note, in this article, that one cannot tell the difference between a Marxist, a communist, a capitalist, a liberal, a republican, a neocon, or a fascist.

There is a sound reason for that.

There are those who desire to control, to be in power, have low empathy,and are definitely willing to kill to get their way and usually do kill to get their way.

There are good people who care about each other, and then there are these power mongers and control freaks, who don't specifically have affiliations and labels. They simply permeate all offices of power and greed that they can,and they work with one another.

It is an 'us against them' scenario. No parties, no groups..... just real caring thinking human beings..... against sociopathic deluded man-things.

This is the way it has always been. It is those who covet, who scheme to divide the world into being divisive, via enforcing the idea of labels and groups.

a bit of a side step here, but...

This underlines perfectly why the democratic model of government (which most people, even here on Avalon, think of as the only working model) is not and will never be working. At least, not as long as the consciousness of most people are at it's current level.

Most people (from which ever way you look at it) are neither wise nor knowledgeable. They don't know the difference between a power hungry, ruthless man who will lie and kill to get his way or a wise man (or woman) who is willing to place his life in service of mankind to elevate society to new height's.

A Psychopath can rely on the ignorance of the masses to get him into a position of power, by means of persuasion, lies, selling of dreams he never intends on following up and more.

[Lifebringer]

There's good and bad in everyone and everything and Creator created all. That's why I like being a Progressive, because WE are all sides that make the best solution, but we don't force it. WE bring evidence, pro and con, and let all take a sound thought on it, before bringing it for a vote. All sides, every state, all people, it's great practice.
Love don't hurt, it lifts. Our Dem party had become a corporate cesspool that allowed Glass Steigel to be dissolved, under Barney Franks and that other blue dog Chris Dodd. We tossed Dodd after letting him think he'd be able to run for President, by putting out who was responsible, because he brought the scam to Franks, and Franks had the Gay vote. We needed all the votes, they needed their civilian rights to leave inheritance to their loved partner and visit them in the hospitals when they are sick or dying. Franks had failed miserably because he took the greedy way and not the people's way.

Gained more voter/steam and found the bluedogs had a roster of crap against the people, if either a Dem or Repub got in, but the Dem side wasn't planetarily or monetarily as destructive as the Republican bills we had to stop. A few million calls breaking the switchboards in DC, and we got it done.
WE still got work to do, but we're working with the people who work with "we/the/flesh and blood people/voters to get 'er done.

Case in point, this is our new mission and I've been riding Democrat Rosa De Lauro who's hubby is a Monsanto MONSTERVEGGIE maker, and she put a bill in 2005 up for vote HR 875 which bans small organic farming, without permits that are out the gazoo now in some Monsanto influenced states. Dem Mark Begich and R Lisa Murkowski are fighting Monsanto now for their 3 gene splice salmon to have to have a label before hitting the grocery shelves, after Republicans and Rosa voted banning the GMO altogether.
Granted she did it 2005 before the recession and probably didn't realize (oops thatCorpBLdog agenda crap I mentioned) that gardening would become some people's only way to feed their families with prices so high.

She's also a women's civilian/rights champion Liberal. You may have to pull teeth of TP, but you can talk to a Liberal, and when their are caught red handed being a hypocrite and face having their greedy little seat removed, they pull the bills the people don't want. Can't say that for the otherside anymore.

She's in the party I vote people out of and put others into, I've been doing it since I watched the idiots on the left (corpBLdoggonits) vote for the war to Iraq. Most of them have lost their seats of power to be bribed in the people's houses. I did it and I'll do it again. I'm all for small and large businesses, as long as I can have a clean glass of water, breath clean air, educate the masses to encourage solutions through creativity and design, be able to love who I feel loved by, take care of my needs in life without all the drama and stress that brings on most diseases, and have medicine that doesn't make crap worse,.I'm not someone who will not act when people are being lied to are harmed into a war. I love my Vietnam Veterans because they didn't know what they were fighting for then, and military has YET TO TELL US what the hell they went there for still today. Lives lost for what? Yes, I am and I will not allow this deception to be played my families future for someone's money coffers. Another orphan for a LIE? I think not.:drama:

To jack:
"And who gave the info for those liesJack?"
CIA.:baby: :crazy:
Don't believe the HYPE, was something inbred in African American families, because those who scream the loudest are usually filled with the most bs info to stir the masses/blood/emotions, and slip one in on the people.:wizard:
Weapons of Mass Distraction have been around a long time. Track the info, and see where it leads, and if it gives you a headache, ask within. Don't you trust your gut? I don't think you really believe this, do you jack?

[Agape]

a bit of a side step here, but...

This underlines perfectly why the democratic model of government (which most people, even here on Avalon, think of as the only working model) is not and will never be working.
At least, not as long as the consciousness of the average Joe is at it's current level.

Most people (from which ever way you look at it) are wise nor knowledgeable.
They don't know the difference between a power hungry, ruthless man who will lie and kill to get his way or a wise man (or woman) who is willing to place his life in service of mankind to elevate society to new height's.

A Psychopath can rely on the ignorance of the masses to get him into a position of power, by means of persuasion, lies, selling of dreams he never intends on following up and more.


Too many cheerleaders is problem of every society ... there are 'leaders' and 'teachers' about everywhere you look now ,

and it's not difficult to notice how human vocabulary , the use of terms and symbolics itself degraded , like cascade of falling cards .
Yes every leader nowadays is pro-democratic, progressive and has Master Degree in one or more science fields .

Words, terms are being thrown around like pieces of paper .. they don't keep their original values .

There's steep inflation of values taking place .. quality is being replaced with quantitative approach, large numbers , huge machines .. global solutions .

There's this attempt to organise growing ecosystems of human society .. prevent the degradation taking place in future, secure the course of mankind's destiny .

....

Remember one thing ... in benevolent societies, whether it concerns family, group of friends, any group of people after all .. and I've met with this all around the world .. people do not need that many 'leaders' .

I'm saying that in benevolent society who respect common and uncommon wisdom, man is an instrument of the wisdom, not wisdom is always instrument of man .
Even the dumbest member of a group has some unique qualities that can serve others , and anyone can be a leader in particular situations, under different circumstances etc .
Agressive type of clans , gangs, cults ..yes they depend strongly on leaders because force requires force .

The reason why benevolent societies install leaders is more often for the need to maintain structure and protect themselves from organised, aggressive groups and gangs .

But what I mean is ... that todays society .. is becoming very aggressive , say 'progressive' from within with everyone wanting to be 'the leader' , the 'top man' , does it make sense to them all how this can not work out ?

I don't claim to know the answer here .. but in old times, people would search for their seers and kings .. before they asked them for wise decisions . History repeats itself on grand scale ..
the search for wisdom has to continue ..

[ghostrider]

Watch the ptb sell the idea that we need a woman president and that will fix it all ... but Hillary will do exactly what those before her have done , use the smokescreen of peace while planning the next false flag WAR ...I think there is a prophecy where Russia attacks America while Hillary is president ... I must verify but I'm pretty sure ... On how bad it is , just walk around and speak to a stranger , he will probably be holding a sign that says anything helps ...

[ThePythonicCow]

WTF is wrong with putting all the cards on the table, open for discussion...:noidea:

Gutless is as Gutless does...:faint:
I suspect that it's the tone that matters, not whether one has the guts to say it.

Imagine the following story (pure fiction):

A large group of people gather peacefully to show their support for some issue.
A car backfires, or a child lights a small firecracker ... Bang (like the sound of a gun) !
Within minutes of the sound, all hell breaks lose.

As this thread so aptly demonstrates, the bastards in power have gotten most of us, most of the time, to be labelling the "other" guy (another one of us, just of a different stripe) as the bad guy.

So when strong emotions are poured onto this fire of humanity, it is our own house that the flames burn down. Strong emotions are just more gasoline on the fire.

===

It's not the emotions we're short of; it's the subtle awareness of what are the underling causes of humanity's sickness.

We're more short of the ability to see through the smoke than we are of gasoline to fuel the flames.

We're more short of the guts of intuition than we are of the guts of courage.

===

Pouring gasoline on the fire inflames those who have some part of their identity close to that part of the fire (as in threads like this), and the resulting smoke (as in threads like this) obscures further the vision of the rest.

[chocolate]

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/4b/70/4b70568369c4d937bb5760c0d0de0e11.jpg?itok=TsogNyqG

March 20, 2014

On Wednesday it was reported that <ping> enemies within, mainly those who are part of the "progressive movement," are very close to their ultimate goal of the complete demise of the <ping> has envisioned by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Today there is even more disturbing news.

An "ex-spook" as they are known, in other words a retired member of the CIA :spy:, stated concerning the effort to destroy the <ping>. "You have no idea how bad it is." The enemies of freedom and the Constitution within the country, he said, have now succeeded in putting most of their goals in place. "Think of how far they have come since 2008," he continued, "Most <ping> don't even recognize their own country anymore. They feel like foreigners in their own land."

"If we continue down the present path," he concluded, "Our liberties will be dust in the wind by 2016. These people are organized, relentless, persistent, and dangerous. And they have been at it since the early 1900s."

The former agent did not wish to be more specific about what he knows due to the fact that if he did so, it would be easy enough to figure out his identity based upon the in-depth knowledge he has of certain facts.

These "enemies within" are generally known as progressives, although the term has fallen in and out of vogue based upon changing perceptions of the public. Progressives are known under a variety of names. Liberals, collectivists, statists, Marxists, neo-Marxists, socialists, and "democratic consensus builders" are some of the more common terms that people who stand for freedom and liberty have used to describe progressives. But it all boils down to the same thing. In order for them to achieve their self-described utopia, human freedom and liberty must be severely restricted and controlled, and the power of the centralized government must be greatly strengthened.

In the previous report issued Wednesday it was noted how the enemy within has gone about attempting to reach their goals. Today we go further in making some eye-opening disclosures that shed more light on this most dangerous scenario.

The progressives/Marxists/collectivists are willing to do anything to advance their agenda, even if it means lying incessantly to the public, or even toying with the lives of citizens, using them as guinea pigs for mass social experimentation.

An example of one of the most despicable of these experiments is to be found during the mid-1960s under President Lyndon Baines Johnson (LBJ). Very few except those with high security clearances within the government and LBJ's inner circle knew about this program. Even fewer know about it today. It was never reported or acknowledged. And most who knew the details are now deceased. A few, however, are still alive and well, and they know the full story.

One of these persons, an attorney who worked with one of the entities involved in this scheme, explained in very simple language what, exactly, took place. This is his story verbatim:


“When LBJ became president after the assassination of John F. Kennedy in 1963, most of us who were in the know were aware of the ominous turn of events this would signify. --THIS IS THE GUY WHO PULLED THE TRIGGER ON KENNEDY, INDIRECTLY, BTW!!! I WONDER WHY? LBJ was one of the most despicably wicked human beings who ever occupied the Oval Office. He would do anything to get elected on his own right in 1964. Barry Goldwater, the <ping> who would oppose him, had been looking forward to having a series of debates with Kennedy across the country. They had already worked it out. But when Kennedy was killed and it became clear that he would face LBJ instead, he privately told his aides that the election was already over, that LBJ was perhaps the most vile and dishonest character in American politics at the time.

“LBJ wanted the support of the egg and dairy farming industry. Being from Texas, he felt it would look very bad if did not get the support of this significantly large portion of the farming industry. But the egg and dairy farmers, for various reasons, balked. They would not throw their support behind LBJ. Well, Johnson was furious. So, he courted and won the support of the grain farmers. But that was not all. After the election he wanted revenge on the egg and dairy farmers, and he wanted to reward the grain farmers for supporting him.

“This is where things get downright spooky, but I can vouch for its truth. Johnson decided that he and his administration would issue a new concept -- a "food pyramid" that would "help" children and their parents make good food choices, not to mention those who are older and suffering from various maladies. The problem for the milk and egg industry is that the pyramid recommended that citizens severely restrict their intake of dairy products, particularly eggs. But to the delight of the grain farmers, the pyramid recommended a dramatic increase in the consumption of grain products such as bread, cereal, crackers, and the like.

“Johnson leaned on his government physicians to place their stamp of approval on this scheme by claiming that if <ping> ate according to the recommendations of the pyramid, they could eradicate heart disease, strokes, and other cardiovascular diseases. Soon everyone had jumped on the bandwagon. Doctors were telling their patients that they needed to cut way back on eggs and dairy and eat lots of grains, vegetables, and fruits. Some went so far as to tell their heart patients that they were restricted to one or two eggs per week, but an even better choice was to eliminate them altogether.

“Most <ping> who grew up in the 50s, 60s, and 70s are well aware of this infamous government food pyramid. The problem was that none of it, not one word, was true.”


It turned out that after multimillions of <ping> were beset with obesity, early onset diabetes and a myriad of other dangerous diseases that come from it, that all those grains the government had been pumping down their throats was not such a good idea after all. And lo and behold, it turned out that eggs will not, in themselves, cause heart disease. A person can eat two eggs per day, along with milk, meats, cheeses, and some non-starchy vegetables, and not only will they keep their weight under check but they will avoid most of the diseases that afflict millions of Americans, including heart disease and diabetes. This is, of course, provided that you do some exercise and severely restrict sugar intake. That means grains and starchy vegetables as well as sweets.

In short, Johnson was willing for multimillions of <ping> to die prematurely and become afflicted with dangerous diseases all because he wanted power and would punish anyone or any industry that got in his way.

This is the essence of the progressive/Marxist/collectivist. Citizens are not human beings to be respected. They are slaves, subjects, vermin on which to conduct their experiments and if necessary, kill them.

This lesson is also a good example of the mindset of the progressive/collectivist -- <ping that too>. Government is here to tell us what to eat, how much of it we are allowed to have, what to drink and how much, and who knows how many other directives that are "for our own good." Try telling that to the countless numbers of Americans who got diabetes and died from it simply because they were doing what their government told them to do in order to "be healthy."

And if we happen to lose a million people here or a million people there in the process, that is no major price to pay for finding out how human beings react to certain experiments government wishes to conduct on them, "for their own good."

However, the really disturbing factor in all of this is that these ideas, concepts, and proposals that seem to have come straight out of Hitler's Germany or Stalin's USSR are still being utilized today by <ping>'s enemy within. Collectivists still want to meddle in our eating and drinking habits, to the point that citizens are forbidden from eating too much fat in NYC restaurants and school kids increasingly are not allowed to bring their own lunches to school unless they pass "the food police test," that is, what they will be eating is acceptable to the government educational complex.

In addition, citizens all across America are being told that they are barred, by law, from growing their own food. Why?

It is all about power. You, the individual citizen, must have none. But government and the elitists that run it must have all of it.

But another obvious problem is the government's Fascist collaboration with the mega-food corporations who want a monopoly on what the citizens eat. And even more disturbing is America's complicit scheming with one of the most evil organizations that has ever existed -- the United Nations.

http://www.examiner.com/article/you-have-no-idea-how-bad-it-is-says-ex-spook-on-destruction-of-us

PS - There it is again that "Word" ((PROGRESSIVE))...:scared:

Formed from the "Left-Leaning Liberal (Psychopaths) who literally want to (Kill & Mame) you any which they can...!!!

Let's get back to the base of this thread. Raise your hands everyone who actually read the whole thing?
How much it would take to read it twice?
or do I need to cross-post something I wrote on the thread about Ukraine and Crimea? About the undiluted honesty part?

BTW, we are aware of who did nothing to prevent Kennedy's assassination. So only that in its own is enough to make me ... return my breakfast only when thinking of him. And I am not even <ping> American.
So, I would suggest, if it would help to see (REALITY) easier and better, to drop the flag under you avatar, and just read on.

We are in our base human beings, are we not? Or do we always think of ourselves with the names someone else have given us along the way?

[chocolate]

And for anyone ready to jump on my throat -->
There is one saying that goes in this way: ( a free quote )

You don't see THE THINGS the way THEY ARE,
you see them the way YOU ARE.

So I guess, the compassionate among us (people like jacko) still care enough to share information here.

The stone-hearted (pointing to myself) have given up on the whole idea.

This is my one and only exception of logging in here, after I decided it is better for my own sanity to never come back.

[ThePythonicCow]

The stone-hearted (pointing to myself) have given up on the whole idea.
I share ... that sharing by us is for me the most valuable part of this forum. That's not to say that there are not other values of this forum, even parts more valuable for some, quite properly so. That's just me speaking for myself, on what I find valuable.

However, I recommend speaking with minimal emotionally intensifying hooks, so that others may, at their own pace and choosing, find scattered about this forum a few more nuggets of useful information, analysis, insight, understanding, awareness or support ... which will fuel their own inner energies to drive their passions in the directions of their choosing.

Trying to directly transfer the high heat of the passion destroys more than it empowers. It drives the readers insane (as you just noticed.)

We don't transfer the high heat of exploding gasoline or diesel to our vehicles. We transfer cold liquids. The vehicle then determines if it is an auto, a motorcycle or a backhoe.

[panopticon]

I absolutely love these sort of articles. They give me a glimpse into the mind of someone who thinks so differently to me. That's a genuinely beautiful thing. People who rail against these sort of articles I reckon should be taking advantage of the opportunity they offer not decrying them.

Often I read here how people can't understand how the "elite" or "powers that be" think. If you've read this article and reacted in a negative way then maybe start with it as a first step. (To be clear I don't think Anthony Martin is an acolyte of an elite cabal or similar, just a Reaganite declaring his allegiance to his dead hero).

This sort of article is exactly what I would expect from the author, who describes himself as "an original foot-soldier in 'the Reagan Revolution' that led to the election of Ronald Reagan" (source (http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/anthony-martin)). Anthony Martin, the author of this piece, said back on September 19th, 2013 that his readership was dropping off (source (http://thelibertysphere.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/musings-after-midnight-stealth-war.html)) so maybe he's upped the ante to try an increase his readership. This is typical conservative/neo-con rhetoric and while I am not overly familiar with his writings or his evangelical church (http://martinchristianministries.blogspot.com.au/) (there are so many writers in the US who present extreme views that it's hard to know them all) his techniques are so familiar that I feel comfortable with his style.

Martin writes to his audience and in so doing hopes that by "word of mouth" (in modern parlance that would mean "social networking") he is able to increase his readership. Notice how he targets a specific audience in his first paragraph and then talks to that audience. This is a well trod path that develops on the initial theme (the US has enemies that have almost succeeded in destroying it) which has been used by US writers and politicians for a very long time (Reagan was an expert at it). The introduction of an "inside source" who declares it is all a long conspiracy that will destroy the US of A by 2016 if you, my dear reader, does nothing to challenge them. Then in typical Reaganite fashion forgets that the cold war is over and blame those Commies/Ruskies/Reds.

I've read a number of his articles now and they are almost all the same: progressives/Marxists/collectivists have almost taken over the good ol' US of A and they want to increase centralised government and taxes while restricting your freedom, free speech, free enterprise, capitalism, bill of rights, etc... Watch out for the Nazi's and Communists, they're almost here. It's like he looks back fondly and has forgotten the Reagan administrations support of the Contras through the CIA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Ronald_Reagan_administration#Nicaragua)...

There actually is an enemy and it has been focused on. There is growing evidence that a ruling elite govern with almost complete impunity. There definitely are a small number of corporations (147 at last report, though that number may have decreased of late) that have a major influence on financial markets and from that exert power and control (source (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0025995)). The problem with Mr Martin is he has focused on his old enemy and thinks his comrades (irony) are the answer. In reality he is just misleading/misdirecting his audience and as they become more aware of the situation they are going elsewhere to find answers/truth. There is no free enterprise, it is an illusion promoted by those who rule. There is no free market beyond that allowed by those who rule.

Mr Martin is right though. The progressive agenda has been high-jacked. Unfortunately the conservative agenda was re-written long ago (even before Ayn Rand) and now there is really only the one platform, just with a couple of sides to it...

So, read and try to understand Mr Martin or someone who has a completely different view on the world to you (I like to read Gina Rinehart's (http://www.ginarinehart.info/the-age-of-entitlement-has-consequences/) diatribes periodically just for this reason). That way you might be able to view the world briefly in a similar, though limited, way to them.

Once you can do that then try the mindset of some of those who are in positions of power.

Remember: It's all about Money, Control and Power.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Matt P]

Note, in this article, that one cannot tell the difference between a Marxist, a communist, a capitalist, a liberal, a republican, a neocon, or a fascist.

There is a sound reason for that.

Yeah, they are ALL Collectivists.

Some of you are off base about your labels. You are too focused on how you associate yourselves. I used to think of myself as a progressive until I gained enough knowledge and experience to see that 1) the label didn't fit and 2) many people who called themselves progressive really weren't and 3) the powers that be use and encourage these labels JUST to keep us bickering over irrelevant bull**** instead of understanding we are on the SAME team.
The Power in this world doesn't adhere to any political lables. Well, maybe, Haves and Haves not.

My guess is that if you put aside your labels and just look at your interests and beliefs, you will see that your label category is inadequate and we have far more similar than different.

I also recommend you learn about Collectivism. Here is G. Edward Griffin explaining:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdu0N1-tvU

Matt

[Dennis Leahy]

This article and Jack's opening post underscores one of the main reasons I have begun to use the terms "citizen-centric" and "eco-centric" to identify thinking that is based on the perspective of the ordinary citizen and of the environment/ecosphere, and use the term "corporate-centric" to identify thinking that is Elite-based, greed-based, oppressive, top-of-the-pyramid thinking.

It is no longer possible to use terms like "progressive" without dredging up the deliberately misapplied ideological views of neoliberal oppression.

One way I have explained the war of labels is to say that in the original sense of the words, there was a linear, 2D, straight line that could be used to describe a polar scale: on one end of the line was "liberal", which in the US (that word means different things regionally, and has for many years) meant pro-citizen, and the other end of the line was "conservative" and meant pro-business. "Conservative" (I believe) was the first of the two terms to be hijacked, and was successfully hijacked by religious fundamentalists. To distinguish the thinking of the militaristic, oppressive, greed-based Elite - who want everything privatized to make a buck off of everything, and imperialistically see the entire planet as their property - the term "neo-conservative" came into vogue. Of course, this term needed its polar opposite, so it begat "neo-liberal", and rather than be applied to some new ("neo") twist on liberal thinking, it really was better suited to describe the covertly militaristic, oppressive, greed-based Elite who pretend to be citizen-centric (in speech only.) This leads to a new way for us regular folks to visualize what was once an ideological divide that could be shown as a 2D polar scale. Now, the "divide" between these words can best be described as:

Visualize the 2D liberal/conservative scale. Add "neo-liberal" to the extreme left end (beyond liberal), and "neo-conservative" to the extreme right end. Now, grab both ends and bend them into a 3D hoop shape where the ends are nearly touching. Actually, the ends are not just touching, they overlap and merge, but that reality is only for eyes that truly see - most people would have a difficult enough time visualizing that neoliberal and neocon are, in effect, the same thing.

Cognitive dissonance prevents many US citizens from recognizing that the foreign and domestic policy of the current neoliberals in power is identical to the foreign and domestic policy of the neocons they displaced. Value judgments of policy and action are tied to the labels: when a missile from a drone blows a number of innocent Arabs to bits, it then only becomes wrong if someone from the opposite ideology from my own ordered the hit.

The author of the article is completely confused about terminology, and cannot figure out who the enemy really is. Note the erroneous attribution that these words are interchangeable: "Liberals, collectivists, statists, Marxists, neo-Marxists, socialists, and "democratic consensus builders""


Progressives are known under a variety of names. Liberals, collectivists, statists, Marxists, neo-Marxists, socialists, and "democratic consensus builders" are some of the more common terms that people who stand for freedom and liberty (http://www.examiner.com/topic/liberty) have used to describe progressives. But it all boils down to the same thing. In order for them to achieve their self-described utopia, human freedom and liberty must be severely restricted and controlled, and the power of the centralized government must be greatly strengthened.

It would be comedic if not so serious in its implications. All of these labels are now worthless, deliberately used to describe their own opposites to confuse people - and the author of that article is mighty confused. If citizens actually did unite and throw-off the common enemy (the Elite), we would be left with an ideological divide that, it appears to me, may not have a gray/overlap zone. With the Elite out of power, I suspect the US would need to divide into 2 countries: one for those espousing true anarchy (no government at all), utter individualism, complete privitization of all land and all resources, no taxes or any form of forced/structured sharing or co-ownership, and another country for those that espouse true democratic socialism (government of the people), privatized/ownership of personal property and collective/social co-ownership of resources and infrastructure - maintained through taxation. From what I have gleaned, I suspect that these two countries will need to form, that these ideas and ideals need to be played-out in real-world reality (theorizing won't be enough.)

Maybe both countries could work, I don't know. But, neither will work if the Elite sink their neoliberal/neoconservative, militaristic, oppressive, greed-based Elite claws in and start back up with siphoning to the top of the pyramid. Yeah, I know who the enemy is.

Dennis

[jackovesk]

Its extremely difficult to debate the (Progressive) issue, when not one of you can set out...




a) What being a (Progressive) actually means..? (In your 'Own' words)

&

b) What kind of (Policies) you are supposed to support..?


PS - The only (Progressives I Know) are the (Criminal Politicians) who wave the (Progressive Flag) every chance they get, whilst gladly (Throwing Money Down the Drain) while they're at it...:wizard:

If you want me to answer your queries on an individual basis, could you please keep your questions short and to the point and I will reciprocate likewise...

[Matt P]

sgr4gvferf

[ThePythonicCow]

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I had replied to your question here, but just to say I didn't make sense of it.

Then I saw you wanted that post deleted. Only forum admins and mods can actually delete posts, so I've just now deleted that post of yours.

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sgr4gvferf

er - eh - could we have a translation ?

[Hervé]

[...]sgr4gvferf[...]

er - eh - could we have a translation ?

... adds up to 10 random "characters"... for being able to post the "edit."

[spiritguide]

Dialog abounds, in circles it flows, when wisdom says self, the misgiven say foe!

Peace!

[panopticon]

Actually, the ends are not just touching, they overlap and merge, but that reality is only for eyes that truly see - most people would have a difficult enough time visualizing that neoliberal and neocon are, in effect, the same thing.


That's a good point Dennis. Neo-liberalism has nothing to do with liberalism. It's a version of free market economics that supports deregulation etc. popularised by Friedman/Hayek and first trialled in Pinochet's Chile. There are good documentary's by Pilger (http://johnpilger.com/videos) and particularly The Trap by Adam Curtis (pt 1 (https://archive.org/details/scm-333466-thetrapcensoredyoubuddy)) that touch on this for anyone who's interested. So, someone can be a neo-conservative who practices neo-liberal economics. :madgrin:

-- Pan

[jackovesk]

sgr4gvferf

That's an easy one 'mpennery'...:thumb:

Back at ya...:)

ewyaunikdetr...:pound:

There's actually an Aussie message in there for you to decipher...:)

[outerheaven]

Its extremely difficult to debate the (Progressive) issue, when not one of you can set out...




a) What being a (Progressive) actually means..? (In your 'Own' words)

&

b) What kind of (Policies) you are supposed to support..?


PS - The only (Progressives I Know) are the (Criminal Politicians) who wave the (Progressive Flag) every chance they get, whilst gladly (Throwing Money Down the Drain) while they're at it...:wizard:

If you want me to answer your queries on an individual basis, could you please keep your questions short and to the point and I will reciprocate likewise...

Jack, I think the difficult part is that you seem to be critiquing the PTB power structure as a whole, and then mis-attributing the conspiracy to "progressive ideology."

Do you think that these power-hungry psychopaths are unique to the "left-leaning" political spectrum? Do you harken back to the halcyon days of good conservative values, like when George W. Bush was President?

The problem is not "progressive ideology," or conservative ideology, it's that both parties are controlled by the same interests.

These articles read like fear-porn for stuck-in-the-Matrix conservatives to me, and it's only intended to keep people firmly stuck there. As long as they're running around blaming "the MARXIST, KENYAN, SOCIALIST, MUSLIN, KENYAN, COMMUNIST" for all of America's problems, well -- it's painfully clear, they're just as asleep as anyone else.

This is all just a side-show, meant to keep you arguing in circles about what brand of political oppression you're experiencing as they throw on your shackles.

[jackovesk]

Good Night all...:sleep:

I'm now going to (Progressively) navigate my way to yet another blissful slumber...

Don't worry, I've put together a couple of (Ice Cold - Ear Packs :ear:) to stop the burning whilst absent...:)

Play Hard - Be Fair - But 'Above All' be kind to one another...:pound:

[T Smith]

This sort of article is exactly what I would expect from the author, who describes himself as "an original foot-soldier in 'the Reagan Revolution' that led to the election of Ronald Reagan" (source (http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/anthony-martin)). Anthony Martin, the author of this piece, said back on September 19th, 2013 that his readership was dropping off (source (http://thelibertysphere.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/musings-after-midnight-stealth-war.html)) so maybe he's upped the ante to try an increase his readership. This is typical conservative/neo-con rhetoric and while I am not overly familiar with his writings or his evangelical church (http://martinchristianministries.blogspot.com.au/) (there are so many writers in the US who present extreme views that it's hard to know them all) his techniques are so familiar that I feel comfortable with his style.



I take no issue with the author's affiliations. I don't see him advocating for an ideology consistent with Ronald Reagan or the evangelical church, mainly because he doesn't say so or even advance any such implication, even subtly (and to be fair to your conclusion, I have not read any of his other articles). Any connection to neo-conservatives or even Reagan-esqe conservatism would be purely inferential based on what we think we know about the author. The ideas in this article are just as much a critique on Reaganism (as long as we can't escape labels) and on the evangelical church, as far as I'm concerned, as they are a critique on collectivism. How do I know this? Because Ronald Reagan was a collectivist.




I've read a number of his articles now and they are almost all the same: progressives/Marxists/collectivists have almost taken over the good ol' US of A and they want to increase centralised government and taxes while restricting your freedom, free speech, free enterprise, capitalism, bill of rights, etc... Watch out for the Nazi's and Communists, they're almost here.



I wouldn't necessarily use his terms, or point to any one group or ideology (save for maybe collectivists), but..ahh...what he's saying here happens to be true. I can't fault the author for that. Whatever you want to call it, those who have commandeered government do "...want to increase centralised government and taxes while restricting your freedom, free speech, free enterprise, capitalism, bill of rights, etc.."




It's like he looks back fondly and has forgotten the Reagan administrations support of the Contras through the CIA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Ronald_Reagan_administration#Nicaragua)...



Another inference? Again, I haven't read any of his other articles so maybe I'm not reading into to this as much as you are. Even so, if he is secretly advocating for the policies of Reagan (I do not see this explicitly implied, but I'll assume this is the tacit motive based on your judgement) then he is fully a hypocrite and very misguided. But even so, that doesn't invalidate the ideas in this article. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.




There actually is an enemy and it has been focused on. There is growing evidence that a ruling elite govern with almost complete impunity. There definitely are a small number of corporations (147 at last report, though that number may have decreased of late) that have a major influence on financial markets and from that exert power and control (source (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0025995)). The problem with Mr Martin is he has focused on his old enemy and thinks his comrades (irony) are the answer. In reality he is just misleading/misdirecting his audience and as they become more aware of the situation they are going elsewhere to find answers/truth. There is no free enterprise, it is an illusion promoted by those who rule. There is no free market beyond that allowed by those who rule.



Yep. Agree here. You have zeroed in on the target. I'm still confused, however, and fail to see how the ideas in this article don't specifically zero in on the same enemy.

The bottom line is all ideologies have been highjacked and are quite easy to commandeer through the auspices of centralized government. This is just the residue of human nature. I take little issue with any ideology, in the abstract. I've read plenty of Marx. I've read plenty of Ayn Rand. The ideas at each end of the political spectrum and anywhere in-between are not the problem. But centralized government, on the other hand, and collectivism in general, are not humanity's friend.

For anyone who may disagree, or still maintain a belief that is somehow possible to employ government, as a tool, to advance a benevolent agenda or perhaps make the world a better place, I highly recommend watching the Netflix television series, House of Cards, with Kevin Spacey/Robin Wright. It is only a television series, but an elevated one that accurately explores the dialectic between the sociopathic and empathic aspect of human nature. This is certainly the Arts at its best attempt at depicting the political reality of human nature.

[jagman]

Lifebringer
WE are all sides that make the best solution, but we don't force it. WE bring evidence, pro and con, and let all take a sound thought on it, before bringing it for a vote. All sides, every state, all people, it's great practice.

Really... Is that why ObamaCare passed without a single vote from the otherside. You really
need to stop watching msnbc lifebringer lol Both sides are corrupt and until people like yourself
understand that, there wil be no Real Change

[Violet]

http://www.vsf.be/file.aspx?id=329445&tid=1

We use this one over here. Is it the same one?

[InTheBackground]

May I ask, why is everyone getting hung up on the labels, hot button political labels to boot? We all know they are used for their (the PTB) benefit, to steer us in ways they want us to move or think, and to keep us as divided as possible and unable to recognize our similarities. The only real label we truly need be concerned with is human. We are human. Allowing our emotions to be manipulated by labels they invent and wrangle for their own ends seems to me to be the height of folly.

As for the PTB... by their deeds you shall know them. Their words mean so d@mn little. Over and over and over, they prove this to be true.

Just a thought.

[Rocky_Shorz]

has anyone ever wondered why none of these type articles have a democratic slant...

all of them created by inbred hillbillies with a 3rd grade education...

known by most as the tea party...



http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/4b/70/4b70568369c4d937bb5760c0d0de0e11.jpg?itok=TsogNyqG

March 20, 2014

On Wednesday it was reported that America's enemies within, mainly those who are part of the "progressive movement," are very close to their ultimate goal of the complete demise of the Republic has envisioned by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Today there is even more disturbing news.

An "ex-spook" as they are known, in other words a retired member of the CIA :spy:, stated concerning the effort to destroy the U.S., "You have no idea how bad it is." The enemies of freedom and the Constitution within the country, he said, have now succeeded in putting most of their goals in place. "Think of how far they have come since 2008," he continued, "Most Americans don't even recognize their own country anymore. They feel like foreigners in their own land."

"If we continue down the present path," he concluded, "Our liberties will be dust in the wind by 2016. These people are organized, relentless, persistent, and dangerous. And they have been at it since the early 1900s."

The former agent did not wish to be more specific about what he knows due to the fact that if he did so, it would be easy enough to figure out his identity based upon the in-depth knowledge he has of certain facts.

These "enemies within" are generally known as progressives, although the term has fallen in and out of vogue based upon changing perceptions of the public. Progressives are known under a variety of names. Liberals, collectivists, statists, Marxists, neo-Marxists, socialists, and "democratic consensus builders" are some of the more common terms that people who stand for freedom and liberty have used to describe progressives. But it all boils down to the same thing. In order for them to achieve their self-described utopia, human freedom and liberty must be severely restricted and controlled, and the power of the centralized government must be greatly strengthened.

In the previous report issued Wednesday it was noted how the enemy within has gone about attempting to reach their goals. Today we go further in making some eye-opening disclosures that shed more light on this most dangerous scenario.

The progressives/Marxists/collectivists are willing to do anything to advance their agenda, even if it means lying incessantly to the public, or even toying with the lives of citizens, using them as guinea pigs for mass social experimentation.

An example of one of the most despicable of these experiments is to be found during the mid-1960s under President Lyndon Baines Johnson (LBJ). Very few except those with high security clearances within the government and LBJ's inner circle knew about this program. Even fewer know about it today. It was never reported or acknowledged. And most who knew the details are now deceased. A few, however, are still alive and well, and they know the full story.

One of these persons, an attorney who worked with one of the entities involved in this scheme, explained in very simple language what, exactly, took place. This is his story verbatim:


“When LBJ became president after the assassination of John F. Kennedy in 1963, most of us who were in the know were aware of the ominous turn of events this would signify. LBJ was one of the most despicably wicked human beings who ever occupied the Oval Office. He would do anything to get elected on his own right in 1964. Barry Goldwater, the Republican who would oppose him, had been looking forward to having a series of debates with Kennedy across the country. They had already worked it out. But when Kennedy was killed and it became clear that he would face LBJ instead, he privately told his aides that the election was already over, that LBJ was perhaps the most vile and dishonest character in American politics at the time.

“LBJ wanted the support of the egg and dairy farming industry. Being from Texas, he felt it would look very bad if did not get the support of this significantly large portion of the farming industry. But the egg and dairy farmers, for various reasons, balked. They would not throw their support behind LBJ. Well, Johnson was furious. So, he courted and won the support of the grain farmers. But that was not all. After the election he wanted revenge on the egg and dairy farmers, and he wanted to reward the grain farmers for supporting him.

“This is where things get downright spooky, but I can vouch for its truth. Johnson decided that he and his administration would issue a new concept -- a "food pyramid" that would "help" children and their parents make good food choices, not to mention those who are older and suffering from various maladies. The problem for the milk and egg industry is that the pyramid recommended that citizens severely restrict their intake of dairy products, particularly eggs. But to the delight of the grain farmers, the pyramid recommended a dramatic increase in the consumption of grain products such as bread, cereal, crackers, and the like.

“Johnson leaned on his government physicians to place their stamp of approval on this scheme by claiming that if Americans ate according to the recommendations of the pyramid, they could eradicate heart disease, strokes, and other cardiovascular diseases. Soon everyone had jumped on the bandwagon. Doctors were telling their patients that they needed to cut way back on eggs and dairy and eat lots of grains, vegetables, and fruits. Some went so far as to tell their heart patients that they were restricted to one or two eggs per week, but an even better choice was to eliminate them altogether.

“Most Americans who grew up in the 50s, 60s, and 70s are well aware of this infamous government food pyramid. The problem was that none of it, not one word, was true.”


It turned out that after multimillions of Americans were beset with obesity, early onset diabetes and a myriad of other dangerous diseases that come from it, that all those grains the government had been pumping down their throats was not such a good idea after all. And lo and behold, it turned out that eggs will not, in themselves, cause heart disease. A person can eat two eggs per day, along with milk, meats, cheeses, and some non-starchy vegetables, and not only will they keep their weight under check but they will avoid most of the diseases that afflict millions of Americans, including heart disease and diabetes. This is, of course, provided that you do some exercise and severely restrict sugar intake. That means grains and starchy vegetables as well as sweets.

In short, Johnson was willing for multimillions of Americans to die prematurely and become afflicted with dangerous diseases all because he wanted power and would punish anyone or any industry that got in his way.

This is the essence of the progressive/Marxist/collectivist. Citizens are not human beings to be respected. They are slaves, subjects, vermin on which to conduct their experiments and if necessary, kill them.

This lesson is also a good example of the mindset of the progressive/collectivist. Government is here to tell us what to eat, how much of it we are allowed to have, what to drink and how much, and who knows how many other directives that are "for our own good." Try telling that to the countless numbers of Americans who got diabetes and died from it simply because they were doing what their government told them to do in order to "be healthy."

And if we happen to lose a million people here or a million people there in the process, that is no major price to pay for finding out how human beings react to certain experiments government wishes to conduct on them, "for their own good."

However, the really disturbing factor in all of this is that these ideas, concepts, and proposals that seem to have come straight out of Hitler's Germany or Stalin's USSR are still being utilized today by America's enemy within. Collectivists still want to meddle in our eating and drinking habits, to the point that citizens are forbidden from eating too much fat in NYC restaurants and school kids increasingly are not allowed to bring their own lunches to school unless they pass "the food police test," that is, what they will be eating is acceptable to the government educational complex.

In addition, citizens all across America are being told that they are barred, by law, from growing their own food. Why?

It is all about power. You, the individual citizen, must have none. But government and the elitists that run it must have all of it.

But another obvious problem is the government's Fascist collaboration with the mega-food corporations who want a monopoly on what the citizens eat. And even more disturbing is America's complicit scheming with one of the most evil organizations that has ever existed -- the United Nations.

http://www.examiner.com/article/you-have-no-idea-how-bad-it-is-says-ex-spook-on-destruction-of-us

PS - There it is again that "Word" ((PROGRESSIVE))...:scared:

Formed from the "Left-Leaning Liberal (Psychopaths) who literally want to (Kill & Mame) you any which they can...!!!

[jagman]

Rocky_Shorz
has anyone ever wondered why none of these type articles have a democratic slant...

all of them created by inbred hillbillies with a 3rd grade education...

known by most as the tea party...

Complete and total nonsense Rocky
Tea party advocate Ted Cruz Educational History
Cruz attended high school at Faith West Academy in Katy, Texas,[26] and later graduated from Second Baptist High School in Houston as valedictorian in 1988.[11] During high school, Cruz participated in a Houston-based group called the Free Market Education Foundation where Cruz learned about free-market economic philosophers such as Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Frédéric Bastiat and Ludwig von Mises.[20] The program was run by Rolland Storey and Cruz entered the program at the age of 13.[18]

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992.[2][5] While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship.[27] In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year and Team of the Year (with his debate partner, David Panton).[27] Cruz was also a semi-finalist at the 1995 World Universities Debating Championship, making him Princeton’s highest-ranked debater at the championship.[28][29] Princeton's debate team later named their annual novice championship after Cruz.[28]

Cruz's senior thesis on the separation of powers, titled "Clipping the Wings of Angels," draws its inspiration from a passage attributed to President James Madison: "If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." Cruz argued that the drafters of the Constitution intended to protect the rights of their constituents, and the last two items in the Bill of Rights offered an explicit stop against an all-powerful state. Cruz wrote: "They simply do so from different directions. The Tenth stops new powers, and the Ninth fortifies all other rights, or non-powers."[24][30]

After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor.[2][31] While at Harvard Law, Cruz was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review.[5] Referring to Cruz's time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant."[12][32][33][34][35][36] At Harvard Law, Cruz was a John M. Olin Fellow in Law and Economics.[37]

Cruz currently serves on the Board of Advisors of the Texas Review of Law and Politics

[NancyV]

has anyone ever wondered why none of these type articles have a democratic slant...

all of them created by inbred hillbillies with a 3rd grade education...

known by most as the tea party...


I will Echo Jagman - complete and total nonsense. I am married to a hillbilly who leans to the tea party but I bet he has more education than you are displaying with your ignorant statement (5 yr college degree). At least the tea party supports the constitution whereas progressives want to rewrite it so they can more easily take our guns, raise taxes, censor free speech, etc etc. They need to do this because they know that when the SHTF we not only have most of the guns we also have almost ALL the BALLS. (yes, those balls)

Of course I do agree that both parties are rotten at the core and pushing some of the same agendas. None of those agendas are good for the people. But right now the progressives have pushed things to almost the point of the straw that broke the camels back. I expect a civil war in the US to happen some time in my lifetime, which I don't expect to be more than 10-20 years more. Should be quite interesting. Nothing new...history is full of fallen empires. One thing that will never change is the human desire for FREEDOM.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Nancy,

I really don't care which puppet controls the country or which political party is jumping up and down saying the other side cheated, is failing or destroying the country... The only time politicians and the media even talk about reclaiming freedom is when the other party is in power.

it means nothing, when I post a statement that pisses someone off, it opens their mind so I can look in to see what is influencing thought patterns, whether dimensional, mind control, environmental, spiritual, ET or toys...


thanks for the confirmation it will hit the intended targets, I didn't really mean to disrespect anyone, but with what is going on right now I'm searching for very important answers that a conscious mind doesn't recognize is going on around them.

[birddog]

Both sides are corrupt .....and until we change ourselves, there will be no change. Let Peace Begin With Me.....

The fighting among ourselves has to stop. We need to focus on what is happening. Forget politics. There is no true party
as the Presidents are chosen long before there is an election. Is it any wonder that they are related to each other by bloodline?

We need to focus on Peace, Love, and Brotherhood. The First step to World Peace Starts Right Here. We are Family. :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

Rocky_Shorz
has anyone ever wondered why none of these type articles have a democratic slant...

all of them created by inbred hillbillies with a 3rd grade education...

known by most as the tea party...

Complete and total nonsense Rocky
Tea party advocate Ted Cruz Educational History
Cruz attended high school at Faith West Academy in Katy, Texas,[26] and later graduated from Second Baptist High School in Houston as valedictorian in 1988.[11] During high school, Cruz participated in a Houston-based group called the Free Market Education Foundation where Cruz learned about free-market economic philosophers such as Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Frédéric Bastiat and Ludwig von Mises.[20] The program was run by Rolland Storey and Cruz entered the program at the age of 13.[18]

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992.[2][5] While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship.[27] In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year and Team of the Year (with his debate partner, David Panton).[27] Cruz was also a semi-finalist at the 1995 World Universities Debating Championship, making him Princeton’s highest-ranked debater at the championship.[28][29] Princeton's debate team later named their annual novice championship after Cruz.[28]

Cruz's senior thesis on the separation of powers, titled "Clipping the Wings of Angels," draws its inspiration from a passage attributed to President James Madison: "If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." Cruz argued that the drafters of the Constitution intended to protect the rights of their constituents, and the last two items in the Bill of Rights offered an explicit stop against an all-powerful state. Cruz wrote: "They simply do so from different directions. The Tenth stops new powers, and the Ninth fortifies all other rights, or non-powers."[24][30]

After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor.[2][31] While at Harvard Law, Cruz was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review.[5] Referring to Cruz's time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant."[12][32][33][34][35][36] At Harvard Law, Cruz was a John M. Olin Fellow in Law and Economics.[37]

Cruz currently serves on the Board of Advisors of the Texas Review of Law and Politics

did Ted Cruz write the article?

the people controlling the tea party are brilliant, but they aren't the tea party, they create the spins and let insanity spread them outward...

the tea party is being used as a form of their mind control dividing the country.

The Boston Tea Party was created to bring the country together...

in just a few years, it went from a saying that brought pride to Americans, to one of disgust...

those in control knew exactly what they are doing...

they know what fracking is doing to our water supplies, and know the chemtrails they are pumping is destroying our air.

they control weather, and whether we eat...

we have given them this power, willingly, because they stand for our most important causes...

media entertainment...

[Bill Ryan]

But you do use labels

Forget the labels. They're just words. Look at the intention, and the agenda, and the strategic masterplan.

[Violet]

Yes, forget the labels and do tell me what pyramid they are talking about because I can't collect why Americans are obese using a food pyramid that - if identical - did not manage to make Europeans as obese.

[Agape]

Yes, forget the labels and do tell me what pyramid they are talking about because I can't collect why Americans are obese using a food pyramid that - if identical - did not manage to make Europeans as obese.

The wellness pyramid ? While people around the globe are starving ? Do you really call that 'conscience' ?

Depends on circumstances eh :popcorn:

[Synchronicity]

But you do use labels

Forget the labels. They're just words. Look at the intention, and the agenda, and the strategic masterplan.

That was my point. Calling names and insulting everyone but the group we might happen to follow doesn't help anyone. It's why and how, not the label on a group.

[thepainterdoug]

i have learned this first hand in the last few years. i am in good shape, but always had a bread gut, no matter how much exercise etc. i looked into the ketogenic diet and started eliminating grains, wheat bread pasta etc. no gluten etc. im am now totally different, never the sickness and bloating in my stomach. etc. i feel great and if i drop from a heart attack etc, better this way than feeling slow bloated and lethargic. i play ice hockey 4 days a week with unlimited energy on very little carbs. burn fat not carbs!

[jackovesk]

I woke up this morning (Pleasantly Surprised) you've all seemed to have sorted this out for me...:thumb:

Thanks...:thumb:

[Octavusprime]

We can say "ignore the labels" but when you flat out attack and blame a huge portion of the population for things that are mostly out their control then the message is essentially lost to many people who may read your message. I have taken out the jabs and stabs so that the meat of things can be heard without the "noise" of blame. I substituted PTB (whoever they are) in bold. Delete this post if you must but it seems your prejudices towards "progressives" makes it extremely hard for many to digest here. I do think the "meat" of the message is important and worthy of digestion.


Today there is even more disturbing news.

An "ex-spook" as they are known, in other words a retired member of the CIA , stated concerning the effort to destroy the U.S., "You have no idea how bad it is." The enemies of freedom and the Constitution within the country, he said, have now succeeded in putting most of their goals in place. "Think of how far they have come since 2008," he continued, "Most Americans don't even recognize their own country anymore. They feel like foreigners in their own land."

"If we continue down the present path," he concluded, "Our liberties will be dust in the wind by 2016. These people are organized, relentless, persistent, and dangerous. And they have been at it since the early 1900s."

The former agent did not wish to be more specific about what he knows due to the fact that if he did so, it would be easy enough to figure out his identity based upon the in-depth knowledge he has of certain facts.

It all boils down to the same thing. In order for them (PTB) to achieve their self-described utopia, human freedom and liberty must be severely restricted and controlled, and the power of the centralized government must be greatly strengthened.

In the previous report issued Wednesday it was noted how the enemy within has gone about attempting to reach their goals. Today we go further in making some eye-opening disclosures that shed more light on this most dangerous scenario.

The PTB willing to do anything to advance their agenda, even if it means lying incessantly to the public, or even toying with the lives of citizens, using them as guinea pigs for mass social experimentation.

An example of one of the most despicable of these experiments is to be found during the mid-1960s under President Lyndon Baines Johnson (LBJ). Very few except those with high security clearances within the government and LBJ's inner circle knew about this program. Even fewer know about it today. It was never reported or acknowledged. And most who knew the details are now deceased. A few, however, are still alive and well, and they know the full story.

One of these persons, an attorney who worked with one of the entities involved in this scheme, explained in very simple language what, exactly, took place. This is his story verbatim:
“When LBJ became president after the assassination of John F. Kennedy in 1963, most of us who were in the know were aware of the ominous turn of events this would signify. LBJ was one of the most despicably wicked human beings who ever occupied the Oval Office. He would do anything to get elected on his own right in 1964. Barry Goldwater, the Republican who would oppose him, had been looking forward to having a series of debates with Kennedy across the country. They had already worked it out. But when Kennedy was killed and it became clear that he would face LBJ instead, he privately told his aides that the election was already over, that LBJ was perhaps the most vile and dishonest character in American politics at the time.

“LBJ wanted the support of the egg and dairy farming industry. Being from Texas, he felt it would look very bad if did not get the support of this significantly large portion of the farming industry. But the egg and dairy farmers, for various reasons, balked. They would not throw their support behind LBJ. Well, Johnson was furious. So, he courted and won the support of the grain farmers. But that was not all. After the election he wanted revenge on the egg and dairy farmers, and he wanted to reward the grain farmers for supporting him.

“This is where things get downright spooky, but I can vouch for its truth. Johnson decided that he and his administration would issue a new concept -- a "food pyramid" that would "help" children and their parents make good food choices, not to mention those who are older and suffering from various maladies. The problem for the milk and egg industry is that the pyramid recommended that citizens severely restrict their intake of dairy products, particularly eggs. But to the delight of the grain farmers, the pyramid recommended a dramatic increase in the consumption of grain products such as bread, cereal, crackers, and the like.

“Johnson leaned on his government physicians to place their stamp of approval on this scheme by claiming that if Americans ate according to the recommendations of the pyramid, they could eradicate heart disease, strokes, and other cardiovascular diseases. Soon everyone had jumped on the bandwagon. Doctors were telling their patients that they needed to cut way back on eggs and dairy and eat lots of grains, vegetables, and fruits. Some went so far as to tell their heart patients that they were restricted to one or two eggs per week, but an even better choice was to eliminate them altogether.

“Most Americans who grew up in the 50s, 60s, and 70s are well aware of this infamous government food pyramid. The problem was that none of it, not one word, was true.”
It turned out that after multimillions of Americans were beset with obesity, early onset diabetes and a myriad of other dangerous diseases that come from it, that all those grains the government had been pumping down their throats was not such a good idea after all. And lo and behold, it turned out that eggs will not, in themselves, cause heart disease. A person can eat two eggs per day, along with milk, meats, cheeses, and some non-starchy vegetables, and not only will they keep their weight under check but they will avoid most of the diseases that afflict millions of Americans, including heart disease and diabetes. This is, of course, provided that you do some exercise and severely restrict sugar intake. That means grains and starchy vegetables as well as sweets.

In short, Johnson was willing for multimillions of Americans to die prematurely and become afflicted with dangerous diseases all because he wanted power and would punish anyone or any industry that got in his way.

This is the essence of the progressive/Marxist/collectivist. Citizens are not human beings to be respected. They are slaves, subjects, vermin on which to conduct their experiments and if necessary, kill them.

This lesson is also a good example of the PTB. Government is here to tell us what to eat, how much of it we are allowed to have, what to drink and how much, and who knows how many other directives that are "for our own good." Try telling that to the countless numbers of Americans who got diabetes and died from it simply because they were doing what their government told them to do in order to "be healthy."

And if we happen to lose a million people here or a million people there in the process, that is no major price to pay for finding out how human beings react to certain experiments government wishes to conduct on them, "for their own good."

However, the really disturbing factor in all of this is that these ideas, concepts, and proposals that seem to have come straight out of Hitler's Germany or Stalin's USSR are still being utilized today by America's enemy within. Collectivists still want to meddle in our eating and drinking habits, to the point that citizens are forbidden from eating too much fat in NYC restaurants and school kids increasingly are not allowed to bring their own lunches to school unless they pass "the food police test," that is, what they will be eating is acceptable to the government educational complex.

In addition, citizens all across America are being told that they are barred, by law, from growing their own food. Why?

It is all about power. You, the individual citizen, must have none. But government and the elitists that run it must have all of it.

But another obvious problem is the government's Fascist collaboration with the mega-food corporations who want a monopoly on what the citizens eat. And even more disturbing is America's complicit scheming with one of the most evil organizations that has ever existed -- the United Nations.

http://www.examiner.com/article/you-...truction-of-us

[raregem]

Nancy,

I really don't care which puppet controls the country or which political party is jumping up and down saying the other side cheated, is failing or destroying the country... The only time politicians and the media even talk about reclaiming freedom is when the other party is in power.


it means nothing, when I post a statement that pisses someone off, it opens their mind so I can look in to see what is influencing thought patterns, whether dimensional, mind control, environmental, spiritual, ET or toys...


thanks for the confirmation it will hit the intended targets, I didn't really mean to disrespect anyone, but with what is going on right now I'm searching for very important answers that a conscious mind doesn't recognize is going on around them.



You SEEM to be off center for understanding and I see you adding arrogance with what I call baby bullying. Best to you and no need to comment. This thread needs to get back on track.
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