Male and Female

[miqeel]

GYlVYeMUI-Q

Here is how I perceive male and female.

Male is self

Female is self-encompassing.


Try to see it beyond the symbolics of the reproductive system. Tell me how you understand it..

[Synchronicity]

I see male as more direct and focused on a task or goal, therefore seeing the smaller picture, but what is focused on is often seen clearly (generally...individuals can be different) and female as more focused on the bigger picture and less on one task or goal at a time. It's not a hard and fast rule, but reminds me of how males will often (not always) turn the sealed pickle/jelly jar really hard and keep turning harder and perhaps tap it on something, using more force to open it, while the female will often get a butter knife or similar tool and gently break the seal to open it or get a gripper to help make up for hands not quite as strong. It's a matter of having different strengths and using them to do the same things. Men tend to watch kids different than women, and both ways have pros and cons.

Good thread..interesting to consider. And some of each do things the way we expect the other group to do, of course. :)

[blufire]

Woman is the architect.

Man is the engineer.


P.S. Bashar is not my cup of tea. ;)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I guess the way I see this issue is a bit skewed.

For example, just because someone "wants it more", or "gets there faster", doesn't mean that person "needed it more" than the female does.
It also certainly does not mean that the stronger, faster, more direct person inherently "deserved it more", either.

People in other threads have complained that Chivalry is dead -- well, it might not be dead, but it's on the way out.
And without Chivalry in the world, it's hard to look up to men instead of down...

We ALL have a sense of self, and a need for fulfillment.
Regardless of what we say we all need others, their wisdom, approval, input, and sometimes even the pain they inflict on our feelings.

What hurts me as a female is knowing that we're all headed for impotence and old age,
yet in the prime of life, we see things so differently -- sex for example -- it's impossible to look at gender without sex being part of it.
What I am saying is that people should analyze their needs and not just feed them constantly.
If men are "driven" by their needs instead of their minds, is that necessarily good?

And if women are "driven" by insecurity (and men can be too!), is that necessarily good?

Finding a balance between the sexes involves a lot of sharing, communication, and patience.
Depriving one side or the other of positive opportunities only increases the difficulty in communication and trade.

From FGM (female genital mutilation) to arranged marriage to wage discrepancies to death row,
we see very huge social differences in the way that men and women act and are treated.
Not saying everything is good for men and everything is bad for women, either, but it certainly does seem pretty bad for many women.

Kudos to the men in the world who care about the poor, the weak, the downtrodden, the elderly, etc.
They are a rarity and a blessing to the rest of us.

And like my Post Office friend, nice men enjoy all aspects of life and don't just obsess on the obvious.
They enjoy the subtle pleasures of emotional adventures as well as the physical.

I guess I like older men, lol -- ones who have learned from life and grown.

What I respect in women varies -- I've met mean old German ladies who run community soup kitchens without help.
I've met inner-city African American survivors who run women's homeless shelters without much help.
I've got a good mom, although everyone has flaws. She cared a lot more about me than I seem to have cared for my own child.



What's hard though is being Asperger's and then being told by NT's (neurotypicals) what women are like.
Because Asperger's is described by many psychoanalysts as "extreme male mindedness".

What does it mean for a woman to have "extremely male mindedness" yet still feel the physical needs of a woman?
And be envious of men of course, for not having to try as hard to have fun in life (seriously unfair).

[Synchronicity]

I have a daughter with Asperger traits and it is interesting you say that since she is a super smart, tomboyish but very small and delicately female, but strong and tough and very vulnerable, funny but literal-minded girl who is more comfortable with boys or younger girls than her own age girls. So yes, I see I think what you are referring to. She is boyish in many ways, but girlish in others, so she ends up somewhere in the middle trying to figure out how to fit in with either group.

[Robin]

Woman is the architect.

Man is the engineer.


P.S. Bashar is not my cup of tea. ;)

I have been studying gender studies in depth for a while now, and I don't think I have ever heard such an accurate, creative, and succinct way of spelling out the differences between women and men than what you have posted here, blufire. Short, sweet, and to the point...I think you've nailed it. I think women being architects and men being engineers sums up the basic framework of gender harmony rather well.

Also, Bashar is not my cup of tea either. I'd rather sometime dump a hot cup of tea on his head. ;)

[RichD]

From a spiritual evolution point of view the human race really should treat each sex as completely equal. The 'one' or consciousness in you is not divided and neither should we be.
The male and female forms have been the ultimate victim of the 'divide and conquer' mentality of the elite on this planet. Just look at most religions for a start on this one.
Just my view :p
Have a great weekend everyone :wave:

[sirdipswitch]

I see the subject of this thread, quite simply, as a lesson in Futility.:wizard:

[blufire]

The subject (male and female) is only futile within the current ‘modern’ framework . . . . and most certainly within Bashar’s ‘framework or thoughts.

We (male and female) are in no way equal and never will be and nor should we.

Together, as one unit, we make a powerful, holistic, melded Oneness.

I feel strongly that women (as the architects) of modern society have dropped the ball completely. It is our nature and most important responsibility to construct the framework within societies and communities and families.

The men (as the engineers) of modern society then build within that framework and design that we as women create.

I have watched this very thing play out right here on Avalon with the last several threads on this topic.

A handful of women set the ‘usual and currently accepted framework’ of gender interaction and the men flounder within it and give up out of utter futility and frustration.

We have lost some very strong male members recently because of this very fact.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

I guess the way I see this issue is a bit skewed.

For example, just because someone "wants it more", or "gets there faster", doesn't mean that person "needed it more" than the female does.
It also certainly does not mean that the stronger, faster, more direct person inherently "deserved it more", either.

People in other threads have complained that Chivalry is dead -- well, it might not be dead, but it's on the way out.
And without Chivalry in the world, it's hard to look up to men instead of down...

We ALL have a sense of self, and a need for fulfillment.
Regardless of what we say we all need others, their wisdom, approval, input, and sometimes even the pain they inflict on our feelings.

What hurts me as a female is knowing that we're all headed for impotence and old age,
yet in the prime of life, we see things so differently -- sex for example -- it's impossible to look at gender without sex being part of it.
What I am saying is that people should analyze their needs and not just feed them constantly.
If men are "driven" by their needs instead of their minds, is that necessarily good?

And if women are "driven" by insecurity (and men can be too!), is that necessarily good?

Finding a balance between the sexes involves a lot of sharing, communication, and patience.
Depriving one side or the other of positive opportunities only increases the difficulty in communication and trade.

From FGM (female genital mutilation) to arranged marriage to wage discrepancies to death row,
we see very huge social differences in the way that men and women act and are treated.
Not saying everything is good for men and everything is bad for women, either, but it certainly does seem pretty bad for many women.

Kudos to the men in the world who care about the poor, the weak, the downtrodden, the elderly, etc.
They are a rarity and a blessing to the rest of us.

And like my Post Office friend, nice men enjoy all aspects of life and don't just obsess on the obvious.
They enjoy the subtle pleasures of emotional adventures as well as the physical.

I guess I like older men, lol -- ones who have learned from life and grown.

What I respect in women varies -- I've met mean old German ladies who run community soup kitchens without help.
I've met inner-city African American survivors who run women's homeless shelters without much help.
I've got a good mom, although everyone has flaws. She cared a lot more about me than I seem to have cared for my own child.



What's hard though is being Asperger's and then being told by NT's (neurotypicals) what women are like.
Because Asperger's is described by many psychoanalysts as "extreme male mindedness".

What does it mean for a woman to have "extremely male mindedness" yet still feel the physical needs of a woman?
And be envious of men of course, for not having to try as hard to have fun in life (seriously unfair).
Chivalry still exists, at least in my generation but you might find with the ever attitude laden feminists that chivalry among younger men was killed off by these feminists. Why don't we have masculinists? Why is there an International Womens Day but not an International Mens Day? Why in the UK is there a Ministry for women yet no Ministry for men? Rather double standards right? Yes my aim is to be controversial but words are straight from the heart, or are females thinking they can do without males on the planet fullstop?

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I just don't see why the "feminist" label keeps coming up, and into these threads.

No men are ever willing to address their own issues.
They just want to blame "feminists" for it all.

That is NO DIFFERENT than the COMPLETE and UTTER CRAP that George Bush fed us 13 years ago.
Just substitute the word "Terrorist" for feminist and you see exactly where that type of thinking leads.


I love older men, in fact, and lots of them like me. I don't do anything to overtly suggest superiority or haughtiness.
I try to be pleasant to everyone I meet regardless of age or looks, believe it or not.
What I say on Avalon with friends and people with supposedly higher than average IQ and spiritual awareness in no way interacts with how I treat strangers and men I don't know in public or elsewhere.

Avalon is supposed to be a community, not a war zone, and if people leave the site (I've tried it myself without luck lol) that is their business.
And if they aren't capable of accepting an apology or better yet, MAKING one themselves, then it's no great loss to the rest of us.

I don't lose sleep when people leave Avalon over sex issues. There are MILLIONS of websites out there with relationship and gender advice -- things said here should be considered experimental and exploratory and by no means should anyone be chased off of Avalon for expressing an opinion or the need to be treated as an EQUAL.


The law, the courts, the wage system SHOULD in fact treat women and minorities as equal to the prevailing/dominant white male.
I don't care if we are biologically in-congruent, we are both SAPIENT and no play on words is going to trick me into living up a guy's ass instead of being on his arm where I should be, as an EQUAL not a slave.

:)

I mean people throw words like "feminist" around -- why? Because it's no longer PC to say things like "go back to the kitchen" or "do some women's work"?

No one likes cleaning up every mess or never having free time.
If you guys think women should by default be house slaves just like the elves in Harry Potter, you've got another thing coming, lol.


Marie Curie, Charlotte Bronte, Ayn Rand, and countless other women have demonstrated quite clearly that any human can achieve.
Any human can make mistakes, any human is mortal, any human can be haughty and intelligent but not thoughtful.

I really hate the word "feminist" and as a general rule try to avoid the "IST" words.

I'd rather be called a bitch than feminist as a general rule, because it's far more honest and direct.
It also demonstrates whose problem this really is.


Women have entered the workforce, they do get educated, and this will only continue to increase over the years --
the male monopoly on finance and activity outside the home has been shattered, it's just reality knocking,
and it's not because of "feminism", it's because of CAPITALISM.

TPTB knew that the sexual revolution could be manipulated and perverted into serving capitalism while the commune movement was killed.
Women are not to blame for this -- they don't like being forced into work any more than a man does.

__________________________________________


Is there by chance a list of names of Avalon members who left because of gender wars?
I'd like to read some of their posts and determine for myself what a "strong" PA member is.


To me "strong PA member" isn't an argumentative ASD like me, it's the calm, older, quieter types who don't let flaps like these threads bother them personally.
Or at least they are patient enough to ignore the pain.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

My use of that word was to provoke a dialogue here as I'm afraid out in the real World there are many feminists, usually in the 20 to 35 age group that look down on and despise men, for whatever personal reasons they have. I have to stand up for men in this age of male bashing around the globe. I too treat everyone as equal, male, female, young, old, whatever color creed or religion they may follow, I'm old fashioned in my ways maybe but keeping a sharp eye on modern society. Oh, one more thing yes I too would call out a bitch, a gobby woman if I came across one, and in my time I've had the misfortune to cross paths with several opinionated arrogant attitude laden ones. Just as I would call out a nasty arrogant caveman. I have not said nor even hinted at that feminists are to blame for the ills of the World, the media, society catering and pampering to females has done that.

[Shezbeth]

Here is how I perceive male and female.

Male is self

Female is self-encompassing.

An understandable and 'reasonable' conclusion for a male to make given an as yet undisclosed series of potentiating circumstance. Being that the Y chromosome comes exclusively from the male, I can see why a male could/would identify the male aspect as the 'self' and the other as 'self encompassing'. Oh wait, I'm supposed to look beyond the reproductive system. Wait, what? That's like saying "Lets look at the dynamics of energy types without looking at the prime manners in which they manifest". Foolishness.

Does the male compliment the female, or does the female complement the male?

Neither and both. They BOTH compliment LIFE (and other things, but life foremost), and any attempt to diminish this fact is an expression of agenda and preconceived notions.

IMO.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Well the energy of men is really nice (in public).
They tend to be more open and talk more to strangers.
Some might crack a joke or disapprove of something said, etc., but in general interacting is fun. :)

Most people find that after talking to someone they might not initially understand, they like them well enough after all...

Much of what we call "love" and "liking" actually stems from familiarity, i.e. infantile memories and childhood experiences.
We have to choose to accept different folks -- and yeah I've met plenty of what you might call "bitches", but since I avoid having many female friends (not on purpose it's just the way it happens), I don't interact with them on a regular basis.

In middle school was where that sort of behavior seemed worst in my generation (30+ yrs lol).
The girls kind of mellowed out in high school and acted nicer (at least where I went to school in KY, in TX the girls were kind of awful lol).

Some of these younger kids who grew up watching Disney channel in recent years are "a NOT NICE" as Borat would say. hehe :)
Was watching it inadvertently on Wed at my son's home and was shocked at how the girls were acting on the show.
Not too good to see that every day. Very far from normal behavior... tsk for shame Disney.

Anyhow I really hate the word feminist -- most of the ones I met I hated, too.
At colleges etc. Running the journalism dept (wtf) and bashing scientists. Encouraging medication instead of interaction.
Weird witchy women and not in the GOOD WAY. A future working for the state, lol.

Some of them were lesbians and it kinda freaked me out, because I ended up being selected at college to work at an office called the "Center for Effective Communication" (I think). They made me do stupid **** at work like reorganize a file cabinet, not actually help grade papers, etc. I was so pissed off at them.

And this one hairy broomstick skirt wearing granola lady told me that "psych meds were like the best thing that ever happened to her"...
I'd like to find that chick and leave one of my ex military boots up her ass for telling me that.
And her d**e boss too, who told me I couldn't write about NASA for Berea College.
SHAME ON HER, she should lose her job if she hasn't already.

Considering the threads on PA, can you imagine a college prof telling a student not to write about NASA for a science column?
To write about cancer or AIDS instead? That is what I hate about feminists, personally,
and thank God I haven't had to interact with many.

And I had a really horrible toad boss once, a big fat mean dark haired girl named Tanya.
She had a giant tongue stud and squinty eyes, was always watching the skinny girls and hating them,
and making messes/leaving them for us, getting us fired when the section manager was on vacation etc.
she was horrifying, and would qualify as one of the true bitches in my life.
She even wasted a whole bologna loaf (60 dollars +) at the grocery store we worked in... let it go on automatic in the deli slicer and spray bologna up the wall.

It was a huge pink stripe of bologna explosion, and guess who got to clean that up?
I should have put HER in the machine, lol.

:( sorry



P.S. here is a story about who is a gentleman and who is a jerk:
in the Air Force (60s-70s) my grandfather became the boss of a nuclear silo maintenance shift. One of his first actions as supervisor was to tear down all the PORNO off the workplace walls. He took down every centerfold and swimsuit pic, all nudity and smut out the door during work hours -- that was his policy and he maintained it forcibly. What people did off duty was their own affair.

Well when I joined the Air Force, my boss's underling (right after our bosses changed over) made a crappy comment to me. He said "when we heard you were joining the shop we had to take down our swimsuit calendars and everything that was fun about being in this room". Total cold-hands-takes-magazine-to-restroom freak coworker. He was offended that because I had joined the shop, they had to tear down the porn. @_@

My grandfather would have kicked this guy's ass if I had told him about this.
This guy had no idea who my grandfather was or what he did in the Air Force.
Or that my uncle was a pilot. They were just dicks.

[dianna]

You know, its quite funny, on all of the threads about feminism, and male and female relationships, it does not seem that anyone has really studied what the feminist agenda actually is … as one of my degrees is, in fact, feminist studies, I can say that most have no idea what they are speaking of when they slag off the feminist ideology (I am not saying that there is not a bastardization of such in some circles, as with anything) .. but there is a genuine need for women to study the patriarchal system and get an idea of why the world is the way it is …

God, actually used to be a "woman"
http://img1.imagesbn.com/p/9780307816856_p0_v1_s260x420.JPG

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Well the energy of men is really nice (in public).
They tend to be more open and talk more to strangers.
Some might crack a joke or disapprove of something said, etc., but in general interacting is fun. :)

Most people find that after talking to someone they might not initially understand, they like them well enough after all...

Much of what we call "love" and "liking" actually stems from familiarity, i.e. infantile memories and childhood experiences.
We have to choose to accept different folks -- and yeah I've met plenty of what you might call "bitches", but since I avoid having many female friends (not on purpose it's just the way it happens), I don't interact with them on a regular basis.

In middle school was where that sort of behavior seemed worst in my generation (30+ yrs lol).
The girls kind of mellowed out in high school and acted nicer (at least where I went to school in KY, in TX the girls were kind of awful lol).

Some of these younger kids who grew up watching Disney channel in recent years are "a NOT NICE" as Borat would say. hehe :)
Was watching it inadvertently on Wed at my son's home and was shocked at how the girls were acting on the show.
Not too good to see that every day. Very far from normal behavior... tsk for shame Disney.

Anyhow I really hate the word feminist -- most of the ones I met I hated, too.
At colleges etc. Running the journalism dept (wtf) and bashing scientists. Encouraging medication instead of interaction.
Weird witchy women and not in the GOOD WAY. A future working for the state, lol.

Some of them were lesbians and it kinda freaked me out, because I ended up being selected at college to work at an office called the "Center for Effective Communication" (I think). They made me do stupid **** at work like reorganize a file cabinet, not actually help grade papers, etc. I was so pissed off at them.

And this one hairy broomstick skirt wearing granola lady told me that "psych meds were like the best thing that ever happened to her"...
I'd like to find that chick and leave one of my ex military boots up her ass for telling me that.
And her d**e boss too, who told me I couldn't write about NASA for Berea College.
SHAME ON HER, she should lose her job if she hasn't already.

Considering the threads on PA, can you imagine a college prof telling a student not to write about NASA for a science column?
To write about cancer or AIDS instead? That is what I hate about feminists, personally,
and thank God I haven't had to interact with many.

And I had a really horrible toad boss once, a big fat mean dark haired girl named Tanya.
She had a giant tongue stud and squinty eyes, was always watching the skinny girls and hating them,
and making messes/leaving them for us, getting us fired when the section manager was on vacation etc.
she was horrifying, and would qualify as one of the true bitches in my life.
She even wasted a whole bologna loaf (60 dollars +) at the grocery store we worked in... let it go on automatic in the deli slicer and spray bologna up the wall.

It was a huge pink stripe of bologna explosion, and guess who got to clean that up?
I should have put HER in the machine, lol.

:( sorry



P.S. here is a story about who is a gentleman and who is a jerk:
in the Air Force (60s-70s) my grandfather became the boss of a nuclear silo maintenance shift. One of his first actions as supervisor was to tear down all the PORNO off the workplace walls. He took down every centerfold and swimsuit pic, all nudity and smut out the door during work hours -- that was his policy and he maintained it forcibly. What people did off duty was their own affair.

Well when I joined the Air Force, my boss's underling (right after our bosses changed over) made a crappy comment to me. He said "when we heard you were joining the shop we had to take down our swimsuit calendars and everything that was fun about being in this room". Total cold-hands-takes-magazine-to-restroom freak coworker. He was offended that because I had joined the shop, they had to tear down the porn. @_@

My grandfather would have kicked this guy's ass if I had told him about this.
This guy had no idea who my grandfather was or what he did in the Air Force.
Or that my uncle was a pilot. They were just dicks.
I just love this post of yours, now I see YOU not just a poster

[giovonni]

something to consider ... the mirroring of man/woman/kind ...

VITRUVIAN MAN

Decoding the Divinity within Mankind


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[mischief]

The human lifeform needs two types in order to procreate. Thats all the significance there should be on the subject.
My feeling is that the rest of it(gender warfare at worse) is the result of social conditioning and that there is a need to grow up alittle more and see it for what it is.
Controlling,manipulating,setting one sort against the other and none of this does us any good.
Time to move on.

[Shezbeth]

That brings to mind a question which I do not have the answer to, so I will pose it. Perhaps it is an english-specific phenomenon, but food for thought anyway.

Why is the term "Procreate" as opposed to "Co-create"?

[T Smith]

Here is how I perceive male and female.

Male is self

Female is self-encompassing.

An understandable and 'reasonable' conclusion for a male to make given an as yet undisclosed series of potentiating circumstance. Being that the Y chromosome comes exclusively from the male, I can see why a male could/would identify the male aspect as the 'self' and the other as 'self encompassing'. Oh wait, I'm supposed to look beyond the reproductive system. Wait, what? That's like saying "Lets look at the dynamics of energy types without looking at the prime manners in which they manifest". Foolishness.

Does the male compliment the female, or does the female complement the male?

Neither and both. They BOTH compliment LIFE (and other things, but life foremost), and any attempt to diminish this fact is an expression of agenda and preconceived notions.

IMO.

I very much like the OPs perception of male and female. My interpretation of it is completely spiritual. In my view, this dynamic (as I have interpreted it) is not diminishing in any way to the complementary tenor of male/female to life as we know it.

But of course, any highly abstract concept (as this one) leaves itself wide open to interpretation.

Remember, we all have self (regardless of what chromosomes we so happen to have in our bodies) and we are all also self-encompassing.

[Shezbeth]

I very much like the OPs perception of male and female. My interpretation of it is completely spiritual. In my view, this dynamic (as I have interpreted it) is not diminishing in any way to the complementary tenor of male/female to life as we know it.

But of course, any highly abstract concept (as this one) leaves itself wide open to interpretation.

Remember, we all have self (regardless of what chromosomes we so happen to have in our bodies) and we are all also self-encompassing.

I am curious to hear what about your/OP's interpretation is spiritual, and under what criteria you have reached this conclusion. I recognize that we all have 'self', but I am unable to see how self is 'male'. If I am understanding correctly, you are suggesting that the self, the 'male' exists within the body, the 'female'. Drawn out, this would indicate that form is an attribute of the female and that 'that which has no form' is male. Would you agree to this statement, and if not, may I ask why?

As I reread this thread, I am reminded of the work of Carlos Castaneda. I am not trying to establish any authority to his ideas - to me they are purely speculative - but I recall him writing about the 'Mold of Man' (mind, when he says man, I assume he means humanity) which appears to the viewer as having whatever gender the individual has. It is suggested that this is due to a finite individual's inability to perceive beyond their limited form to recognize the formless AS formless, which is then perceived complementary to the individual's form.

[T Smith]

I very much like the OPs perception of male and female. My interpretation of it is completely spiritual. In my view, this dynamic (as I have interpreted it) is not diminishing in any way to the complementary tenor of male/female to life as we know it.

But of course, any highly abstract concept (as this one) leaves itself wide open to interpretation.

Remember, we all have self (regardless of what chromosomes we so happen to have in our bodies) and we are all also self-encompassing.

I am curious to hear what about your/OP's interpretation is spiritual, and under what criteria you have reached this conclusion. I recognize that we all have 'self', but I am unable to see how self is 'male'. If I am understanding correctly, you are suggesting that the self, the 'male' exists within the body, the 'female'. Drawn out, this would indicate that form is an attribute of the female and that 'that which has no form' is male. Would you agree to this statement, and if not, may I ask why?

As I reread this thread, I am reminded of the work of Carlos Castaneda. I am not trying to establish any authority to his ideas - to me they are purely speculative - but I recall him writing about the 'Mold of Man' (mind, when he says man, I assume he means humanity) which appears to the viewer as having whatever gender the individual has. It is suggested that this is due to a finite individual's inability to perceive beyond their limited form to recognize the formless AS formless, which is then perceived complementary to the individual's form.

Hello Shezbeth,

I am unfamiliar with Carlos Castaneda's work, but as I am interpreting the OP, Male and Female are complementaries. Spiritually, the Male/Female complementary is but a construct of human consciousness. It is an illusion created by our being that both separates us from Source and provides for a unique mechanism to experience Source. Of course this construct is also manifest physically in reality and reflects the co-creation/procreation process, but I was purely thinking of these terms in a spiritual context, per the tenor of the original post.

The common lexicon often describes the concept of yin/yang in all its various connotations though a filter of polarity consciousness (as opposed to unity consciousness), which is how we humans process reality on this plane, and so I think we sometimes misunderstand the concept of 'complementaries' as discrete parts separated from each other, or at best, two parts that comprise a whole. But this is not how I understand the Male/Female complimentary, at least not in the context of the OP's take on it. From a spiritual perspective, Male/Female are not that which completes the other; they are functions of the other. In a similar way, Space/Time is complementary; Matter/Energy is complementary, but more to my way of thinking, Matter/Consciousness is complementary. Just as science and mathematics demonstrate the Space/Time and Matter/Energy are not discrete, so does Quantum Mechanics and mathematics demonstrate that Matter/Consciousness are complementary and are not discrete. Consciousness is not that which completes Matter, nor is Matter that which is absent of consciousness. They are one in the same. If anything, matter, as we perceive it, is a rendering of consciousness, a manifestation, in physical reality, of What It Is. Female/Male, in my view, exist in the same relationship. I guess I'm still a little unsure about whether Female is a rendering of Male, or whether Male is a rendering of Female (but at the end of the day, does it matter? And if one wraps their mind around it, cannot she/he (pun intended) express this dynamic with equal validity by either way?)

Nonetheless, we do like to separate these things here on this planet and on this plane per our illusionary constructs, so I would say Male is that which is separate from Source (Ego consciousness, or Self); while Female is that which is Source (Divine Self, Eternal Consciousness). I'm still not sure if this speaks to your question about whether Male has no form and Female has form; Source does have 'form', but perhaps only via the perception, or function, of Male; similarly, Male has 'no form', but perhaps only sans the function of Female manifestation.

Admittedly, the idea of Female being Source and Male being that which is separate from Source does run counter to the Biblical take on it (e.g., Female was created from Male) but that doesn't really resonate with me, unless you interpret the Biblical metaphor to mean that the perception, or manifestation, of Source was created from Male, which does ring true.

As I understand it, Female is Source and Male is navigation or manifestation of Source. But I have long since internalized these archetypes as functions of the same thing.

[Sowelu]

From a spiritual evolution point of view the human race really should treat each sex as completely equal. The 'one' or consciousness in you is not divided and neither should we be.
The male and female forms have been the ultimate victim of the 'divide and conquer' mentality of the elite on this planet. Just look at most religions for a start on this one.
Just my view :p
Have a great weekend everyone :wave:

Definitely THIS.

I view Gender as a limiting title. The ideas that surround what defines a gender are no more than a collection of stereotypes mostly collected from perceptions fed to us through media outlets. I find myself often standing in the middle of what is popularly considered "feminine" or "masculine"

Being a certain gender may offer physical or emotional advantages or disadvantages but even this isn't across the board. There are female bodybuilders that could crush a melon in their thighs and there are sensitive, physically frail men that know how to arrange a beautiful flower garden.

I think your gender identity is a direct manifestation on the belief system instilled in you from a young age. If you're parents dressed you in pink and bought you dolls you will likely identify as our media's concept of "female" If you played in the mud with your hot wheels you will likely grow to identify with the media concept of "male". Sometimes people will overcome these ideas on their own, others seem to be stuck in the box for life.

Personally I had a strong presence of both energies in my childhood and having both sisters and brothers to grow up with always made it easier to draw understanding on how similar we really are deep down. People often compare physical attributes, behavioral patterns, brain mappings, and hormones/body chemicals...all that does is bring your focus back to the body. Merely a shell of ourselves.

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David Deida I think does wonderful work on male and female, very enlightening and clarifying.

He brings the archetypes to life, and animates the issues of how male and female can dynamically relate.


Lots of him on youtube actually working with people in a very vibrant way.

[betweener]

my current opinion, is that there can only really be rectification and recompense within the mass psyche of the earthling-human race, when everyone is either

-suitably androgynous (physical genetic ugliness/defects is largely, if not completely, done away with, allowing increased ease of cross-dressing, at the very least),

- or when male and female ceases to be, and everyone becomes full hermaphrodites (optimally; non-self inseminating) as a natural function of the species (as opposed to variably intersex births as an abnormal defect).