Miles Johnston on 20th March 2014

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klwFMrwjBz8

First, Miles Johnston talks generally and then specifically about a 15-20 page document that was sent to him, which revealed that abductions are not necessarily performed by ETs, but are perceptual phenomona carried out by man-made targeting instruments.

[Realeyes]

Thanks Kathy for posting the latest from Miles.

Do you have a link as to where I can download the document Miles was referring to in this interview?

Miles said it was on his website. I have just looked on his website http://www.thebasesproject.org/ but cannot see it anywhere.

This would be most appreciated if you could post the link up on this thread. :hug:

UPDATE: LINK for document is in this post http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69877-Miles-Johnston-on-20th-March-2014&p=815307&viewfull=1#post815307

[Limor Wolf]

Many thanks for posting ktlight, I haven't watched this vido yet, so I do not know what Miles Johnston's stance towards this is, but if I understand your short description correct this document is referirng to the now (becoming quite common) theory that all ET abductions are only from a technological manipulation source (some do for sure!) then that is not correct. If I am wrong in what is claimed in this document then I apologize.

There is a lot of confusion and contradicting claims that is thrown at us right now for the purpose of more confusion and in order to detter us from the truth of what is going on, the truth is that there is an alien intervention on our planet from a long time ago which is working hand in hand with our governments (different factions, differences of opinions, different countries but same enslaving agenda), there is also an ET invasion that is occuring right now on the backs of many sleeping citizens and even the majority of the 'alternative truth' movement is not totally on top of this reality.

The more convenient disinformation for this situation is to associate it all to a technology that no doubt exists and is operated (to assist with the confusion) but by no way represents what is going on. It is a smoke and mirror type of conduct, It can also not explain the many encounters with ET's that were held with no relevence to abductions such as military personel working with them as with the testimonies of Cliford Stone and Robert Dean or any eye to eye meetings with civilans or any 'out of this world' technologies that are in black ops government possesses.

Only saying, I hope I am not jumping the gun here :)

I will go and watch it now. Thanks again ~

[jackovesk]

http://swlove.ca/cover/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Outpost.jpg

Watch it here...

http://putlocker.bz/watch-outpost-online-free-putlocker.html

...or here

http://www.solarmovie.tl/watch-outpost-2007.html

ENJOY...:tea:

[Sidney]

As a TI, I can assure you,a lot of what he says is true. Things are so much worse than anyone can realize. Of course, if you are not targeted, I am sure it is difficult to wrap your head around, but I am telling you, he has got it right.

BUT- My belief is that not all abductions can even be included in the same sentence.
Some are by aliens. Some are by governments, and some are holographic projections into the mind, and some I am certain are a combination of all of the above.

But (and I have had YEARS) to be thinking about and researching this stuff, and very recently I have come to the same conclusion, regarding the uses of the technologies, especially inside the united states and TI's.

[Sidney]

Many thanks for posting ktlight, I haven't watched this vido yet, so I do not know what Miles Johnston's stance towards this is, but if I understand your short description correct this document is referirng to the now (becoming quite common) theory that all ET abductions are only from a technological manipulation source (some do for sure!) then that is not correct. If I am wrong in what is claimed in this document then I apologize.

There is a lot of confusion and contradicting claims that is thrown at us right now for the purpose of more confusion and in order to detter us from the truth of what is going on, the truth is that there is an alien intervention on our planet from a long time ago which is working hand in hand with our governments (different factions, differences of opinions, different countries but same enslaving agenda), there is also an ET invasion that is occuring right now on the backs of many sleeping citizens and even the majority of the 'alternative truth' movement is not totally on top of this reality.

The more convenient disinformation for this situation is to associate it all to a technology that no doubt exists and is operated (to assist with the confusion) but by no way represents what is going on. It is a smoke and mirror type of conduct, It can also not explain the many encounters with ET's that were held with no relevence to abductions such as military personel working with them as with the testimonies of Cliford Stone and Robert Dean or any eye to eye meetings with civilans or any 'out of this world' technologies that are in black ops government possesses.

Only saying, I hope I am not jumping the gun here :)

I will go and watch it now. Thanks again ~

I am pretty much in agreement with you Limor, but I also think that they MAY use these technologies,(holograms) as a way of bullying. Make the person think one thing or another occurred, for confusion purposes, and also to discredit them, for example if they go around telling people they have been abducted. I also think that these programs are intertwined with MK ULTRA type programs, but NOT the same.
In other words, some Targeted individuals are also victims of the MKU programs. But not all MKU victims are targeted individuals (until they start to remember).
I know it is incredibly twisted and convoluted.

Obviously, if an abductee has physical evidence (marks, bruises,flourescence, etc) then it most likely is NOT a hologram.

I personally find this interview is true for the most part.
Not too sure about the bigfoot/dinosaur part though.

[Realeyes]

I have found the link to the document Miles was speaking about, it is on his site but not very obvious where one needs to click.



MERRY CHRISTMAS AMERICA 2013
FROM THE U.S. NAVY, SPECIAL OPERATIONS
DISCLOSURE ON TECHNOLOGIES AND APPLICATIONS BEING USED AGAINST
AMERICAN TARGETED INDIVIDUALS

"First, all 315 million Americans are targeted individuals. They are in an electro-magnetic concentration camp, under unbreakable electronic
mind control."......

https://googledrive.com/host/0ByRGQrawSHVfeEFKX3ZqLTRuM28

I haven't read the whole document yet, but Miles mentioned this part in his interview that I am ummming over.....



"I will put the subject of Extraterrestrials to rest right now. There are real ET’s, interdimensional beings, celestial beings and demons. Very few humans know anything about this. However, Greys, Reptilians and Nordics as reported by 90 plus percent of “alien abductees” are totally fake.

They exist only as holograms in-person (if even that) and most commonly, as screen memories, in the mind of the military/government mind-control lab-rat abductee, victim. Moreover, these types of fake “aliens” are more commonly appearing to regular targeted individuals. They’re simply holograms used in the torture process to make the subject appear insane. Advanced new world order technology does not come from aliens and it never has. The entire alien theme is a very well crafted enigmatic hoax used as a cover story for NSA-based abduction and “human effects” technology. Have higher intelligences played a hand in human sciences and events? Yes in my opinion. If you are atheist or agnostic that’s fine, makes no difference. The point is there are no real greys or reptilians working in government labs."

Over the years there have been so many military and high level security guard whistleblowers that talk about seeing/working with reptilians in d.u.m.b.s...... Also there are the ancient drawings hieroglyphs etc and what Credo Mutwa says to consider. So I am wondering if some counterintelligence is placed in this document.... It will be interesting to hear what others think.

I will now go and read the full document, it looks a most curious read.

[Realeyes]

Well that was an interesting yet sobering read....

Paraphrasing with my own words...
Anyone is 5 minutes away from Mr Smith taking over one's mind, memories, dreams, reality...
Synthetic fake dimensions
soul capturing
Synthetic heaven dimensions
They have all the boxes covered .... it would seem by this report.

Well the odds might have just got bigger, yet I still believe with hope in my heart that going deep 'within' one's self, reconnecting to our great self/source/isness and raising our own frequencies beyond such control and fear - will shift us beyond such a nightmare. Perhaps I am naive, yet holding on to hope for me is important, I refuse to fall into the trap of hopelessness and give in to this sick mental construct system!

We are so much Bigger than this!


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g5c7E_DpkJk/Tf_FO3OzWjI/AAAAAAAAABE/zFEE6lV1lt4/s1600/cosmic_man.jpg

[Sidney]

I did not see the doc. But, IMO-DISCLOSURE ON TECHNOLOGIES AND APPLICATIONS BEING USED AGAINST will never happen. LOL So, I suppose I have to assume that the entire document is most likely written to further the agenda.

UGH- This is the very reason I wanted to take a hiatus from coming here. So much negative hopeless information or disiinformation.

I do agree that americans are prisoners. If we are awake, we are most likely targets. If we are not awake, then we are programmed to never become awake. So its either or.??? Then how did we get awake? If we woke up at some point, then were we awakened deliberately, as part of the program/experiment? I found it interesting that he stated so many had the urge to hurl themselves from a high place. Any bankers come to mind?

Ultimately, I don't know what the heck to think.:tape2::confused:

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Please excuse my frankness, due to some severe pain issues but please guys why do you all not ask questions of those whom were/are directly involved in these issues. I'm dumbfounded at the way supposedly informed and researching individuals fail time after time to approach the very people whom can answer such things. Bloody amazed really.

[Sidney]

Please excuse my frankness, due to some severe pain issues but please guys why do you all not ask questions of those whom were/are directly involved in these issues. I'm dumbfounded at the way supposedly informed and researching individuals fail time after time to approach the very people whom can answer such things. Bloody amazed really.

Ok, Hi SW, I am sorry you are in pain. :( But, since you offered, I am asking. Can you verify any or all of what is said here in what Miles has stated, or what is on the said document?

[RunningDeer]

I have found the link to the document Miles was speaking about, it is on his site but not very obvious where one needs to click.



MERRY CHRISTMAS AMERICA 2013
FROM THE U.S. NAVY, SPECIAL OPERATIONS
DISCLOSURE ON TECHNOLOGIES AND APPLICATIONS BEING USED AGAINST
AMERICAN TARGETED INDIVIDUALS

"First, all 315 million Americans are targeted individuals. They are in an electro-magnetic concentration camp, under unbreakable electronic
mind control."......

https://googledrive.com/host/0ByRGQrawSHVfeEFKX3ZqLTRuM28 (“https://googledrive.com/host/0ByRGQrawSHVfeEFKX3ZqLTRuM28”)


Well the odds might have just got bigger, yet I still believe with hope in my heart that going deep 'within' one's self, reconnecting to our great self/source/isness and raising our own frequencies beyond such control and fear - will shift us beyond such a nightmare. Perhaps I am naive, yet holding on to hope for me is important, I refuse to fall into the trap of hopelessness and give in to this sick mental construct system!

We are so much Bigger than this!
Thanks Realeyes, and yes, yes, yes!


I did not see the doc. But, IMO-DISCLOSURE ON TECHNOLOGIES AND APPLICATIONS BEING USED AGAINST will never happen. LOL So, I suppose I have to assume that the entire document is most likely written to further the agenda.

Hi Sidney,
FYI: I was able to down load the twenty page document.

If you are interested in a second try - [click here] (https://googledrive.com/host/0ByRGQrawSHVfeEFKX3ZqLTRuM28)

UPDATE: Hummmm, I just triple checked the link and it's not coming up. It did two minutes and three minutes before. WORKING NOW.


UGH- This is the very reason I wanted to take a hiatus from coming here. So much negative hopeless information or disinformation.

Ditto here. I’m doing things to raise my vibration through right foods, exercise, reflection, movies that make me laugh, reading, nature, etc. That’s my secret weapon.

RunningDeer <3

[Sidney]

I have found the link to the document Miles was speaking about, it is on his site but not very obvious where one needs to click.



MERRY CHRISTMAS AMERICA 2013
FROM THE U.S. NAVY, SPECIAL OPERATIONS
DISCLOSURE ON TECHNOLOGIES AND APPLICATIONS BEING USED AGAINST
AMERICAN TARGETED INDIVIDUALS

"First, all 315 million Americans are targeted individuals. They are in an electro-magnetic concentration camp, under unbreakable electronic
mind control."......

https://googledrive.com/host/0ByRGQrawSHVfeEFKX3ZqLTRuM28 (“https://googledrive.com/host/0ByRGQrawSHVfeEFKX3ZqLTRuM28”)


Well the odds might have just got bigger, yet I still believe with hope in my heart that going deep 'within' one's self, reconnecting to our great self/source/isness and raising our own frequencies beyond such control and fear - will shift us beyond such a nightmare. Perhaps I am naive, yet holding on to hope for me is important, I refuse to fall into the trap of hopelessness and give in to this sick mental construct system!

We are so much Bigger than this!
Thanks Realeyes, and yes, yes, yes!


I did not see the doc. But, IMO-DISCLOSURE ON TECHNOLOGIES AND APPLICATIONS BEING USED AGAINST will never happen. LOL So, I suppose I have to assume that the entire document is most likely written to further the agenda.

Hi Sidney,
FYI: I was able to down load the twenty page document.

If you are interested in a second try - [click here] (https://googledrive.com/host/0ByRGQrawSHVfeEFKX3ZqLTRuM28)

UPDATE: Hummmm, I just triple checked the link and it's not coming up. It did two minutes and three minutes before. WORKING NOW.


UGH- This is the very reason I wanted to take a hiatus from coming here. So much negative hopeless information or disinformation.

Ditto here. I’m doing things to raise my vibration through right foods, exercise, reflection, movies that make me laugh, reading, nature, etc. That’s my secret weapon.

RunningDeer <3

Thank you RD, I will read it!!!!

[aranuk]

Please excuse my frankness, due to some severe pain issues but please guys why do you all not ask questions of those whom were/are directly involved in these issues. I'm dumbfounded at the way supposedly informed and researching individuals fail time after time to approach the very people whom can answer such things. Bloody amazed really.

Ok, Hi SW, I am sorry you are in pain. :( But, since you offered, I am asking. Can you verify any or all of what is said here in what Miles has stated, or what is on the said document?

Hi Sydney, you mentioned you are a TI. What is a TI? It was mentioned quite a few times in the doc.

Stan

[aranuk]

It's all far out stuff as far as I am concerned. If I believed the authenticity of the document I would necessarily conclude we are all fuqed. I would love to hear what Bill Ryan says about it all.

Stan

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Please excuse my frankness, due to some severe pain issues but please guys why do you all not ask questions of those whom were/are directly involved in these issues. I'm dumbfounded at the way supposedly informed and researching individuals fail time after time to approach the very people whom can answer such things. Bloody amazed really.

Ok, Hi SW, I am sorry you are in pain. :( But, since you offered, I am asking. Can you verify any or all of what is said here in what Miles has stated, or what is on the said document?

I'll be more than happy to TRY once this blasted antiquated comp allows me to watch the vid and read the document

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Please excuse my frankness, due to some severe pain issues but please guys why do you all not ask questions of those whom were/are directly involved in these issues. I'm dumbfounded at the way supposedly informed and researching individuals fail time after time to approach the very people whom can answer such things. Bloody amazed really.

Ok, Hi SW, I am sorry you are in pain. :( But, since you offered, I am asking. Can you verify any or all of what is said here in what Miles has stated, or what is on the said document?

Hi Sydney, you mentioned you are a TI. What is a TI? It was mentioned quite a few times in the doc.

Stan

A TI is a targeted Individual, someone whom believes they are being targeted by outside forces psychologically and or physically by certain technologies

[Sidney]

Please excuse my frankness, due to some severe pain issues but please guys why do you all not ask questions of those whom were/are directly involved in these issues. I'm dumbfounded at the way supposedly informed and researching individuals fail time after time to approach the very people whom can answer such things. Bloody amazed really.

Ok, Hi SW, I am sorry you are in pain. :( But, since you offered, I am asking. Can you verify any or all of what is said here in what Miles has stated, or what is on the said document?

Hi Sydney, you mentioned you are a TI. What is a TI? It was mentioned quite a few times in the doc.

Stan

Spirit Wolf already answered, and yes Ti= targeted individual. And yes it SOUNDS far out, but I assure you, these technologies exist. I have seen what I believe to be holographic images MANY times.

[Sidney]

Ok, Read all of it. And, I can believe most of it.

This is the section that is the worst. If true, then there may be no end to suffering .
The Luciferians want to be able to trap the souls of people in a synthetic dimension. Let’s forget
about the concept of an over-soul, something truly cosmic and untouchable, for a minute. They
can, at the least, seriously mess with your “soul extensions” or soul-related energies by keeping
you trapped in another dimension. Of course, they can inflict hellish experiences on you when
they trap you there. As far as I know there may be several ways they can keep you indefinitely.
One can be in a coma – as a clone. Another can be in some kind of holographic form, at least in
part. They can also just keep the actual living version of you there, keeping you alive and healthy
and youthful. One caveat they have in their artificial empire is that it’s all run on electricity. So
when they use the word “eternal” actually that only applies as long as the power is on.

This is technology that is mainstream. Can you imagine what they have secretly. And that is a just grain of sand, when they own the entire beach.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

And re an earlier post which I responded to, with my time constraints and working with a computer straight out of the ark I will try watching the vid with Miles and read the document over the weekend, then post my thoughts on both. And I was not referring to just myself re gaining direct answers, there are several others with similar direct experiences in these topics.

[Realeyes]

Sidney, that was one of the paragraphs that caught my attention too... and the spin off thoughts you mention..... it is quite a dark rabbit hole.

There are things in the document that answers a few things I have sensed and noticed over the last few years being blasted at us in the UK.

Here is another paragraph from this document that caught my attention - (I will be adding to my list observing my yawns)......., every moment in this Timeline is turning into a focused discipline on vigilance.


“Topsy Turvy”. This is an internal term used by this Navy Special Ops group for when they “take someone”, meaning quantum jump them to “their place.” “Their place” is the hospital/lab they are working out of. They can do this to anyone anytime. They remotely force the subject to take a deep breath and when they exhale they are transported.

Let’s return to the use of Luciferian/Synthetic dimensions to archive human energies such as minds and souls. It’s theoretically possible for millions of people to be topsy-turvy’d in one fell swoop or at stages, having their souls (or spiritual essences), as well as ALL energies i.e. devic/auric body, mind/consciousness and, of course, their overall biological body down to every cell, taken. The main thing to consider here though is heisting of the soul and mind. When they do this they call you a “new one” or “nobody” - meaning the you sitting on your couch are newly made and no longer spiritual but rather a type of soul-less synthetic. They have the spiritual, sentient version of you at their facility. Remember the phrase “the devil wants your soul”? This may have already been done to many, many Americans and others around the world. Regardless of the current count, I can promise it will be done in total. And you will have no idea it’s happened. The elementary principles for how it’s done were covered in the first document. Basically you are all computers on a wireless network called Earth; and via satellites, HAARP and ELF waves anyone, a part of anyone (ex: soul and mind) can be snatched easily and stored in a government lab/facility. Humans are full of nanobots which collectively assemble and interoperate to make the human a potential robot.
(page 9)

[donk]

Please excuse my frankness, due to some severe pain issues but please guys why do you all not ask questions of those whom were/are directly involved in these issues. I'm dumbfounded at the way supposedly informed and researching individuals fail time after time to approach the very people whom can answer such things. Bloody amazed really.

Spirit Wolf, am I correct that you were trying to relate that YOU might be the Barry mentioned in the vid (and have been interviewed by Miles--first Bases ever?), and that Miles himself is actually around (goes by megawatts or something close to that)? Thanks for what you guys do!

And thanks jack I was going to ask because I couldn't catch the title when Miles said it.

I thought this was a really good interview, and there's a lot to chew on, Miles' perspective he presents here is definitely food for thought.

[ktlight]

Please excuse my frankness, due to some severe pain issues but please guys why do you all not ask questions of those whom were/are directly involved in these issues. I'm dumbfounded at the way supposedly informed and researching individuals fail time after time to approach the very people whom can answer such things. Bloody amazed really.

Ok, Hi SW, I am sorry you are in pain. :( But, since you offered, I am asking. Can you verify any or all of what is said here in what Miles has stated, or what is on the said document?

Hi Sydney, you mentioned you are a TI. What is a TI? It was mentioned quite a few times in the doc.

Stan
a TI is a targeted individual and usually implanted with a device.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Please excuse my frankness, due to some severe pain issues but please guys why do you all not ask questions of those whom were/are directly involved in these issues. I'm dumbfounded at the way supposedly informed and researching individuals fail time after time to approach the very people whom can answer such things. Bloody amazed really.

Spirit Wolf, am I correct that you were trying to relate that YOU might be the Barry mentioned in the vid (and have been interviewed by Miles--first Bases ever?), and that Miles himself is actually around (goes by megawatts or something close to that)? Thanks for what you guys do!

And thanks jack I was going to ask because I couldn't catch the title when Miles said it.

I thought this was a really good interview, and there's a lot to chew on, Miles' perspective he presents here is definitely food for thought.

Hi there, yes maybe news to many on this forum but yes I'm Barry King from that first interview for Bases 1 with Miles.

[aranuk]

I have no doubts whatsoever that TPTB indeed have technology far in advanced than we think, but I can't believe it has developed to the extent the document reports it has. If it is indeed as bad as they say it is then we are already doomed. The counter measures they suggested for some relief sounded far out and quite impossible for most people. The few people who could prevent the control would be insufficient to free the masses to any extent. So in my view if you agree with what the document is telling you, then we are finished. The game is over folks. It is my opinion the document is misinfo and wild exaggeration. I know that saying the devil does not exist helps the devil. It doesn't ring true to me.


Stan

[Realeyes]

Hi there, yes maybe news to many on this forum but yes I'm Barry King from that first interview for Bases 1 with Miles.

Hi Spirit Wolf (Barry) I watched your interview when it came out.... that was a turning point that took me into another exploration after that. I very much appreciate what you have shared over the years.

I am most interested in hearing what you understand about the tech that is described in this document - (I hope others in the know on PA speak out too). You live in the UK, so are well aware of the tech bombardment we have been subjected to due to living on a little island. It sucks at times.

I work on an old computer technology too, with very slow broadband, so I know how frustrating it can get with watching or downloading anything from the net. :hug:

I look forward to your post.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Hi there, yes maybe news to many on this forum but yes I'm Barry King from that first interview for Bases 1 with Miles.

Hi Spirit Wolf (Barry) I watched your interview when it came out.... that was a turning point that took me into another exploration after that. I very much appreciate what you have shared over the years.

I am most interested in hearing what you understanding about the tech that is described in this document - (I hope others in the know on PA speak out too). You live in the UK, so are well aware of the tech bombardment we have been subjected to due to living on a little island. It sucks at times.

I work on an old computer technology too, with very slow broadband, so I know how frustrating it can get with watching or downloading anything from the net. :hug:

I look forward to your post.
Hi there, thankyou for your kind words, well as I mentioned earlier in the thread I will find enough free time over the weekend to watch the vid and read the document. I hope to be able to give an honest opinion based on my experiences over the years. With this throwaway age and built in obsolescence its not easy always having a decent machine to work on, funds not always available for luxuries LOL

[jackovesk]

Please excuse my frankness, due to some severe pain issues but please guys why do you all not ask questions of those whom were/are directly involved in these issues. I'm dumbfounded at the way supposedly informed and researching individuals fail time after time to approach the very people whom can answer such things. Bloody amazed really.

Hearing you Barry...:yes4:

...and

Your dead right...:thumb:

[Sidney]

I agree, I too saw Barrys first bases interview a long time ago, and have re watched it a couple more times. That video was not only jaw dropping for me but was essential in starting to put my own pieces together. Barry, I know you have very much had your challenges, and I want to thank you for hanging in there, and that you continue to fight the fight. We are at war. There is a war on for our souls. I have a very high respect for you, and your experiences are not in vain.:hug:

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Kind words guys which I appreciate greatly. I've managed to watch the vid, Miles goes over much the same territory as in previous vids, nothing much new but I need to read the document he mentions in detail rather than glancing thru before I dare comment on its content. All in all it could be as stated, a set of data released by the authors named or as in previous 'special releases' aimed at certain ufologists, a carefully and well constructed hoax, or something in the centre.

[Chester]

Please excuse my frankness, due to some severe pain issues but please guys why do you all not ask questions of those whom were/are directly involved in these issues. I'm dumbfounded at the way supposedly informed and researching individuals fail time after time to approach the very people whom can answer such things. Bloody amazed really.

I am very interested to hear your comments about this document.

I always look at the case of Joan of Arc who clearly heard "voices" that she said were angels of God and told her some amazing things that turned out to be true... for awhile and then they seemed to abandon her. And this was 700 years ago. Of course, Joan of Arc is just one example of a story of this nature yet one of the more famous.

So my points are - the NSA was founded just after WWII and even if some of their tech was Nazi tech, Joan lived more than 600 years before this. So were the voices she heard maybe some of the dark Djinn? Were the voices from some ED or other form of other worldly being? Was there perhaps a separate (splinter group) of humanity that maybe goes back to ancient Egypt (and perhaps much further) that perhaps has their home within our earth and has had such advanced technology for centuries if not millennia responsible for some of this? Could it be any combination of these or could it be something beyond my current imagination?

What an enigma... can't wait to read your thoughts.

[ktlight]

please excuse my frankness, due to some severe pain issues but please guys why do you all not ask questions of those whom were/are directly involved in these issues. I'm dumbfounded at the way supposedly informed and researching individuals fail time after time to approach the very people whom can answer such things. Bloody amazed really.

i am very interested to hear your comments about this document.

I always look at the case of joan of arc who clearly heard "voices" that she said were angels of god and told her some amazing things that turned out to be true... For awhile and then they seemd to abandon her. And this was 700 years ago. Of course, joan of arc is just one example of a story of this nature yet one of the more famous.

So my points are - the nsa was founded just after wwii and even if some of their tech was nazi tech, joan lived more than 600 years before this. So were the voices she heard maybe some of the dark djinn? Were the voices from some ed or other form of other worldly being? Was there perhaps a separate (splinter group) of humanity that maybe goes back to ancient egypt (and perhaps much further) that perhaps has their home within our earth and has had such advanced technology for centuries if not millennia responsible for some of this? Could it be any combination of these or could it be something beyond my current imagination?

What an enigma... Can't wait to read your thoughts.

bump!!!!!!

[Agape]

please excuse my frankness, due to some severe pain issues but please guys why do you all not ask questions of those whom were/are directly involved in these issues. I'm dumbfounded at the way supposedly informed and researching individuals fail time after time to approach the very people whom can answer such things. Bloody amazed really.

i am very interested to hear your comments about this document.

I always look at the case of joan of arc who clearly heard "voices" that she said were angels of god and told her some amazing things that turned out to be true... For awhile and then they seemd to abandon her. And this was 700 years ago. Of course, joan of arc is just one example of a story of this nature yet one of the more famous.

So my points are - the nsa was founded just after wwii and even if some of their tech was nazi tech, joan lived more than 600 years before this. So were the voices she heard maybe some of the dark djinn? Were the voices from some ed or other form of other worldly being? Was there perhaps a separate (splinter group) of humanity that maybe goes back to ancient egypt (and perhaps much further) that perhaps has their home within our earth and has had such advanced technology for centuries if not millennia responsible for some of this? Could it be any combination of these or could it be something beyond my current imagination?

What an enigma... Can't wait to read your thoughts.

bump!!!!!!



Stepping in for a moment ...

the truth behind this 'space-time' aquarium is fairly complicated . Compared to what reality is ..
human technologies , perception/s of reality, the whole range of our abilities to hear, see, think ..are tiny fraction of physical reality surrounding us .

The problem of average human so far is being brought up in this blissful ignorance of any greater reality, with doors to it carefully guarded by priests , science experts and self-proclaimed knowers of whatever kind ,
most people dare not to admit to themselves nowadays that it may be the case .

On the way to 'boundless understanding' the first thing you have to acknowledge to yourself , as human representative - not as any 'individual ego' - is 'my human perception of reality is limited' .

It's not a metaphysical argument, it's a fact .

Whatever technologies you evolve and operate you can successfully do so within the range of your perceptional abilities .

It's a tiny little fraction of what both living and non-living Universe really are and of who we are .

If you'd see human existence/reality from broader physical perspective you'd understand not only how limited it is but also why humans get only faint impression of phenomena happening out of their perceptional range .
Some more than others, of course .

It does not mean that multilevelled physical reality does not exist and that it's not being inhabited by living entities .

Documents such as the one referred to here .. are socio-politically oriented , with a shade of advanced psychology lets say, they're not written by people who understand reality and whether the Universe is inhabited and what are you doing here .

They speak of technologies and control methods within this 'aquarium' .


It would be very wrong to jump to such conclusions as 'ET Life'/contact/abductions are mass illusion produced by sophisticated human technologies and MSM.
Those who claim so only acknowledge that they have no first hand experience of ET Life - out of the human category - and technologies ,
well, how many people have but there're few.

Talking of 'jinn' and 'spiders' and other animated energetic phenomena and beings is simply not enough .
Not all people are sensitive enough .. but as a rule of thumb , 'sensing' energies , communications, is rather close to common human experiencing .
We live surrounded and submerged to multitudes of invisible energy fields . Not all of them are the same harmonious .
We all experience various forms of intrusions, disruptions, interactions .. most of which happen on subconscious level .

It's always existed .. since the beginning of human race on this planet and their disability to grow over limitations imposed by this local gravity .

You search for a culprit . But the first and last culprit here is the physical conditioning we're born to , and you get some biological chance to 'grow over it' but very short lifespan and so also limited chances . The earth is taking its tolls as celestial body .

If you fail to acknowledge the basics , you can keep 'hunting for truth' in many crazy theories and search for some kind of 'great devil' who you think is sitting somewhere responsible for your suffering ,
mislead yourself and others .

..

People adopt common names and designations such as 'jinn' for beings and phenomena they don't properly understand . Notice one thing .. most people who interact with such entities and phenomena as well as their researchers, do not describe anything that would not be 'human experience' .

Very few had glimpse or view beyond the scope of THIS reality , can't be blamed for that perhaps but one of the causes why we can't see beyond is filling your mind with all too much human stuff .

Many of you have amazing abilities and crystal clear intelligence .. and you'd be able to see beyond the 'human aquarium' of reality at times at least but the reason why you don't is getting caught in it ,
and it's not because of some government did it, mostly . It's a series of choices you have to take and make for yourself.

Whoever happens to read this anyway . Information is like a food for the mind, if you feed yourself 'black goo' stuff or criminal stories , you'll carry this dark cloud in your mind and keep feeding it and won't ever see through .
If you feed yourself on the fog of conspiracy theories that's what will be inside you . With more information added the fog becomes only more dense . Not seeing your own nose even , don't be surprised by the anxiety you feel .

Anyway . All I've said may explain something to one person out of hundred , perhaps thousand .

Most people will miss the point


:angel:

[Chester]

Dear Agape - the above post of yours is truly one of the best I ever read on Avalon and one that I needed to read and needed to read now. Thank You... Sam

[SPIRIT WOLF]

I was hoping to find time today to review the vid again and read and digest the document. Alas being Mothering Sunday and finding several unexpected chores to complete thanks to my son in the US I've had little free time all day, so said reading will have to wait. I am delighted with Agape's post, it sums up a lot of things about what humans perceive or not and the constant 24/7 bombardment of so many frequencies within the poisoned EM environment, we have had our senses dumbed down to anything outside our everyday experiences. Humans have a habit of having to label everything, place everything in a box, pigeon hole the lot. Its conditioning from birth and not easy to change. As most will find it easier to think inside rather than outside the box. In big cities and towns, surrounded by concrete its a hell trying to navigate ones true senses, not till we escape to the hills, mountains and deserted beaches do our minds feel unshackled by the EMF and we can perceive more clearly whats really out there.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

I will say one thing though without reading those papers, technologies have existed and been in use for some time which can place images and sounds directly into the brain, but you all know this. Its been perfected and used by numerous agencies and the military of several nations. The rather old fashioned term for this was psychotronics, but since the 60's this has greatly surpassed those early uses. Now you can have satellites directing energies to a single individual or a group of individuals, take over a complete office block if you like. Gone are the days when agencies had to park a vehicle within a short distance from the target, now its distance no object.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

As for alien abductions all being down to placed screen memories I cannot agree with. OK I have worked in areas whereby targets were used to implant false memories, for various reasons, using both high tech and chemicals. A full blown abduction was easily placed inside the target. Most of you will have at least a little knowledge of my past working at Peasemore where mindcontrolling technologies were part of the remit, as were staged abductions (Milabs), carried out in the facility or in the field. Even though I have not read said document I think I can say that a percentage of abductions are carried out by non humans, here you can use the term alien if you wish, and a percentage are human managed (Milabs). Declaring all such abductions as being false memories placed by individuals is from my personal experience, a non starter. Staged abductions is an area I am currently at loggerheads with Dr Greer on, the PLF and stagecraft issues, but that's another story. Once I read and digest that document I will be able to comment further, based on my direct experiences since 1966.

[Agape]

Dear Agape - the above post of yours is truly one of the best I ever read on Avalon and one that I needed to read and needed to read now. Thank You... Sam

I'm happy to know that :)

...

Personally .. I think of people who claim that anyone/human/alien/divine or any other had , have or will ever assume some form of 'total control' of human reality on earth as someone having hysterical fit .
Or worse , suffering from paranoia . Why not . It's very casual 'human condition', more casual than can be defined by any medical dictionary . Most of us do experience share of it, even if for few seconds or minutes now and than , so we all also know what we speak about.
Being human means being sufferer . Even if you don't want to admit it . We are all being victimised and made vulnerable by being born to this world ,
limitless spirits to the cage of limited experience . Many great souls, greater than I am, said the body is a prison.
In our natural reality .. we are vast .. we are free ... we can realise and live freedom, we can expand in countless ways , countless directions simultaneously ..
but we can not demand the same from this mortal human shell. The physical body , n this level of coarse density is more like an peel of a fruit .

The real you is much bigger and more subtle . It's where causality of our existence started happening ..and does so , ever since . The shrank , dried , solidified peel that keeps peeling its cells off every moment .. turning to dust as we talk ,
turning to dust of this earth , every moment , it's but the grossest part of who we are . Yet, it manifests distinct form of consciousness and identity , the one we call 'human' . It has its own demands , for food and reproduction and sleep and healing and beauty and what else , that's as long as it can 'hold on'. One day it collapses completely and we call it death .
It's only the peel . We survive and keep moving on. Get another peel perhaps to play the 'full game' with earthly elements . Because you can't really work or change the grossest powers and elements of this planet in your subtle body, your higher self . In order to be able to do so you have to descend to their level.
It's extremely painful , like our very existence from start, it's traumatic . We try many ways and methods to transform the pain to beauty and bliss.
To lift the fallen matter and transform elementary reality to our own benefit, our own intelligent pattern . It's a hard work , and it has to be said that humans are admirable and brave entities for all they have had to endure .

Back to square one .. there's no way to control 'all physical reality' by 3D human means , and to our shared disappointment , there are not even any advanced ET technologies that would solve the problem at once , for all.
If there were such, they'd be employed .. by benevolent races who were and are trying to assist mankind .

While all planetary environment can not be simply 'changed' by waving some sort of magic wand , all attempts to improve the situation have to be considered , carefully and go step by step . Assuming partial controls over some matters .. can be more dangerous than helpful because we are dealing with living beings here .


Point 3 .. even if you feel 99% prisoner of your reality .. the 1% of freedom in you changes everything . No matter how much damage anyone does to you, how much controlled you are .. the truth about it is that no one can control reality or the other totally , and those who think they can are fools.


Till there's life there's hope

:angel:

[Dawn]

Agape, My sincerest gratitude goes out to you for taking the time to remember the TRUTH in a discussion that revolves around humanities darkest fears. I know what you speak about and I can feel the inner music of the truth begin to spread throughout all of the cells in my earth body.

I saw the interview and read the released document in this thread late last night. I found myself facing what appeared to be a HUGE field of fear. Compared to this field, I was a grain of sand... but I kept using the simple Ho O'pono O'pono techniques to heal and incorporate my fear and to include that vast field of fear within me. Suddenly my conscious awareness swapped places and I found myself as the huge field while the fear had become the grain of sand within me... and still I kept offering it love and gratitude. Then last night I dreamt I was in one synthetic reality after another, all of these were specifically designed to create fear and pain.... and all night I did sacred Ho O'pono O'pono work everywhere I went.

This morning I know there is still more work to do, but I also know I made a difference and there is a great deal more deep warm joy in my heart. I am so grateful to be aware enough to be able to do this sacred work.

And then I found your beautiful posts. You are correct, there is no way to control who and what we are. TPTB hold the illusion that control is possible. This simply shows how very lost and confused these 'perpetrators' are. It is our love that keeps us coming back to this reality.... and we keep inviting them to let go and remember who they truly are. And in a very true way they are 'another me'.

I love you, I love you, I love you
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
Please forgive me, Please forgive me, Please forgive me

[ktlight]

With respect, do we not take control by offering ourselves up through admitting 'not my will'?
Hopefully, this will be understood.

[Chester]

With respect, do we not take control by offering ourselves up through admitting 'not my will'?
Hopefully, this will be understood.

But to whom or what would that will be offered? I almost did that with "the voice in my head" in late 2011 which told me I had to kill myself to save the world. I chickened out. So where did this voice come from? It had told me it was "God" and then later told me it was a "Chief Archon related to Horus and Ra."

So where then did this voice come from? Aliens? Archons? Directed energy weaponry developed by the NSA? The "Devil?" My own delusional mind? "God?"

I cannot know...

So here has been the way I operate these days. Since I cannot know for sure where my thoughts come from, I can still decide what my words (written and spoken) will be and I can decide what my actions can be.

But I could never abandon myself to any conceptual "Other Will." What I do is I leave outcomes up to the Wisdom of the Universe. That's the only risk I am willing to take.

What do I know? I really don't know. Nothing I just wrote was meant to suggest how anyone else should operate. I just had to share the process I had to adopt being a lovely "EI" (which is and Experiencing Individual) having graduated from being a former "TI" (Targeted Individual).

[ktlight]

justoneman, What we can know for sure is that we all attract thoughts to ourselves and we do experience what we need for learning. I am so glad you rejected the destructive voices. You certainly knew something to not obey them.
It would be good if you would realise that my statement is circular inwardly.
I would love to know about your journey from TI to EI.

[Chester]

I would love to know about your journey from TI to EI.

Hi ktlight,

I do not know if what I am about to state is true for myself or even if true for me is true for anyone else. But I now live my life that the following is true.

I believe that I am responsible for every single thing (experience) that has ever come into my life, everything that comes into my life today and everything that will come into my life in my future. I believe that at some level of my being, I invited these experiences or I agreed to these experiences or that I accepted them (even if I was fooled). This sense of complete self responsibility should be traceable back to the earliest point of generation of my individual "identity."

Since I have adopted this view, I no longer allow these "mind intrusions" to adversely effect my daily experience. So I no longer feel "targeted" as that word implies I am a victim. And a victim I am not.

I simply have had some unusual experiences that in the past, effected me negatively but that now, in part because I have had (and still have) these types of experiences I am a better person today than I probably would have been otherwise. So this is why I chose to call my self an Experiencing Individual (which was inspired by Simon Parkes' view of his own experiences).

I can imagine that few if anyone would come to this view I now have.

Here are other words to say basically the same thing I just wrote.

If anyone asked me if I had any regrets in this lifetime I would say there are two answers. Yes and No.

The first one is, "Yes." I deeply regret all the hell I put so many folks through before I finally emerged on top of the situation which only happened in the last year or so (I am 56).

The other answer is, "No." But this answer comes from a purely selfish point of view.

See - I live today in two worlds simultaneously. The mundane, 5 sense, mainstream world. And an amazing, magical wonderland where the Universe and I are in constant harmony.

I would never have achieved this ability if it were not for all my experiences and thus from this point of view I have zero regrets.

It is ironic that the price for my own freedom was at a cost of so much suffering for others but this is true.

[Chester]

justoneman, What we can know for sure is that we all attract thoughts to ourselves and we do experience what we need for learning. I am so glad you rejected the destructive voices. You certainly knew something to not obey them.
It would be good if you would realise that my statement is circular inwardly.

I also want to ask this question. Are we here "to learn" or are we here simply to experience? I do not agree with a dynamic where I am some being created by some loving source which then is required "to learn." I see that dynamic as "to become indoctrinated." I very much respect your view and I am very open minded that your view (at the end of the lovely day) may prove correct. But I do not hold this view.

[Flash]

justoneman, What we can know for sure is that we all attract thoughts to ourselves and we do experience what we need for learning. I am so glad you rejected the destructive voices. You certainly knew something to not obey them.
It would be good if you would realise that my statement is circular inwardly.

I also want to ask this question. Are we here "to learn" or are we here simply to experience? I do not agree with a dynamic where I am some being created by some loving source which then is required "to learn." I see that dynamic as "to become indoctrinated." I very much respect your view and I am very open minded that your view (at the end of the lovely day) may prove correct. But I do not hold this view.

We are here for both, experiencing and Learning. In fact, Learning through experiencing - no experience = no Learning. This is why it is soooo important to dive into the expériences and learn through it to not identify with it but observe what it brings to our avatar. IMO

[Maia Gabrial]

This letter he sites was from http://www.starseedresistance.com/
I think the guy's name is Sam who's an abductee, continually being tortured by the ones he's trying to expose. No one seems to believe him. Too horrific, I'd imagine....

[DarMar]

I also want to ask this question. Are we here "to learn" or are we here simply to experience?

well from your two last posts i see you have learned a new experience. or is learn experienced?

:)

but for me, same as for you are yes and no, and you can live both of it in same time.. maybe you can learn/experience same time?

why bound self for something anyways? there are many roads, this is just one of them

[Chester]

With respect, do we not take control by offering ourselves up through admitting 'not my will'?
Hopefully, this will be understood.

After 2 days have passed since I read your post and after my initial reaction... and after going as deep as I can, I honestly admit I actually agree and thus do understand.

It's weird though! But at the core of my being, I bet this is true. Arrrggghhhh! (says my lovely ego).

Thanks for your patience.

[Johnny]

[....]

Many great souls, greater than I am

Why do you compare yourself ??? Bad habit ?? :)


[...] We are all being victimised and made vulnerable by being born to this world ,
[....] like our very existence from start, it's traumatic . [...]


I agree with your posts Agabe, but not with the above sentences, at least not in my case, after re-experience the conception, the birth and between. I will say it was neither painful or traumatic.




I also want to ask this question. Are we here "to learn" or are we here simply to experience? I do not agree with a dynamic where I am some being created by some loving source which then is required "to learn." I see that dynamic as "to become indoctrinated." I very much respect your view and I am very open minded that your view (at the end of the lovely day) may prove correct. But I do not hold this view.

When we are told, we are here to learn it usually understood as we are here to learn a lesson, and with that I disagree.




With respect, do we not take control by offering ourselves up through admitting 'not my will'?
Hopefully, this will be understood.

After 2 days have passed since I read your post and after my initial reaction... and after going as deep as I can, I honestly admit I actually agree and thus do understand.

It's weird though! But at the core of my being, I bet this is true. Arrrggghhhh! (says my lovely ego).

Thanks for your patience.

LOL, I feel with you :)

Cheers Johnny

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Those awaiting my comments on that 20 page document, please be patient a little longer. Just as scheduled time to sit and read my computer decided to quit, restarted but needed logon password, took 3 hours to try all possibilities but ended up reinstalling OS, lost lots of data etc. So downloaded the document today and will hope to read it asap. Don't ya just love technology? LOL

[Chester]

With respect, do we not take control by offering ourselves up through admitting 'not my will'?
Hopefully, this will be understood.

After 2 days have passed since I read your post and after my initial reaction... and after going as deep as I can, I honestly admit I actually agree and thus do understand.

It's weird though! But at the core of my being, I bet this is true. Arrrggghhhh! (says my lovely ego).

Thanks for your patience.

But then I remember this post - my common sense says Amzer Zo makes a lot of sense... if not for, perhaps we would be stuck in perpetual learning?



If we came in with all of our memories what would be the point of bothering to live this life at all?

[...]

My guess is that we wouldn't waste years relearning what the heck 2+2 equals to...
nor relearning grammar or vocabulary or different language or Euclid, Pythagoras, Newton, Maxwell, Tesla, etc...

Nor would we need to (re-)learn about our neighbors -- planetary or extraterrestrial... for we would remember lives spent as male, female, Taoist, Buddhist, Islamist, Sufist, Zoroastrian, Satanist, Gnostic, Mysticist, sorcerer, magician, faery, cop, robber, Jews, Sumerian, Atlantean, Lemurian, Pleidian, Orionian, Arcturian, Andromedan, Draconian, Mantid, etc... what would that do for peace? Understanding? Compassion?

[Debra]

Those awaiting my comments on that 20 page document, please be patient a little longer. Just as scheduled time to sit and read my computer decided to quit, restarted but needed logon password, took 3 hours to try all possibilities but ended up reinstalling OS, lost lots of data etc. So downloaded the document today and will hope to read it asap. Don't ya just love technology? LOL

Hi SPIRIT WOLF (Barry)

I too watch your early interviews and I have always wanted to have an opportunity to ask you a question.

Could you please clarify what you understand about the business occurring at a location you named as somewhere near or on the Salisbury Plain? I ask because it is a location that I associate my earliest *unexplained* experiences.

Between the ages of 4 and 10 (late 60s early 70s) I was raised in London Colony, which was then a little village outside of St Albans .. there was lots of open countryside then and my ears pricked up in one interview, when you mentioned the Salisbury Plain. It's where I freely played as a child. Although fragmented, my memories of this time include a series of surreal experiences, which remain a little disturbing and I wonder if you know anything more about people in this area being targeted.

Also, I have one unaccounted period of lost time and when I have tried to drill down this event with my Mother, she just shakes her head and says it is too long ago. What she or I have no memory of is of a particular incident that seemed to occur one night when I suddenly found myself in the back of a St John's ambulance on the edge of some woodland. I had obviously had some accident, as my leg was later plastered up for six weeks .. but to this day, I have absolutely no idea how it happened. It was like I had materialised in the back of that ambulance and I also don't have any memory of being re-united with my parents afterwards. That I find very strange. And what was I doing out in the dark?

I have other *memories* from this time but I cannot qualify them as they could of been just vivid dreams. Nonetheless, they stick in my mind. As do other some unexplainable events that have followed.

I appreciate your thoughts on this, Barry.

Thank YOU,
Zebra

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Hi Zebra, yes indeed Salisbury Plain is a great place, well, those few parts you can access as the military owns huge chunks of it. What I have previously detailed is my being witness, under official circumstances, to view various new craft technologies at the Western end and nearby are two unclassified MoD bunkers, Warminster 1 and 2. Its from one of these that a secret entrance can be found, to the very large underground facility located beneath Salisbury Plain. I'm not the only one to disclose this as Jon King the author/investigative journalist (no relation) covered this in his 1998 book "Cosmic Top Secret, the unseen agenda". Also, as I detailed I believe in the old Avalon forum and indeed on Casebooks forum in 2005, I was the guinea-pig to a demonstration on the plain of a vectored craft. I was to stand underneath as the thing came over and hovered above me. Suits and military were there recording the whole thing including my physiological reactions.
There are several above ground military facilities on the plain too of course. The Imber ranges by Warminster can be spooky at times. I'd be very eager to hear any details you might have concerning any experiences you had, as mentioned in your post.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Re that document, all I'm going to say is well put together and interesting BUT its on par with the so called MJ12 papers that circulated some years ago. Can we trust such documents? some will, some will not, I'm fence sitting on this one and hoping the splinters do not stab me bum LOL

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Miles update 011b re BASES........................
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxv4bmF7Mcw