More nasty fake people

[AutumnW]

Is it just me, or are fake, self serving individuals becoming worse? Seriously, dealing with people who were always a bit off-putting, but who have reached a whole new level of 'yuk' , has me questioning my own sanity, character, intentions.

The persons I am referring to have no major life crises, good health, stable home lives and no financial stress.

They just seem to be getting worse and worse. I had to go 'no contact' with one woman about 5 months ago, and another one this week-end. These were long term, though casual friendships.

I'd love some feedback on this. To my knowledge I have been kind, helpful and friendly to both of them. Weird!

[Heartsong]

It may be a bit of you and a bit of them. Don't let it get to you. Take the high road be kind to them when you are with them. Don't be involved with them anymore than you need to be. Relationships change just like everything else does.

[Carmen]

Um, hate to say this, but we recognise in others what we are in ourselves. The universe mirrors back to us ourselves!! It is a self reflective universe! Every person on their spiritual journey gets to recognise this unpleasant and ego-hurting truth eventually. To realise this is a great sign of progress.

[Dawn]

Carmen: Um, hate to say this, but we recognise in others what we are in ourselves. The universe mirrors back to us ourselves!! It is a self reflective universe! Every person on their spiritual journey gets to recognise this unpleasant and ego-hurting truth eventually. To realise this is a great sign of progress.

This is such an interesting and alluring comment. I believed this for years and years, which is why I stayed in my marriage. I believed the above hook, line, and sinker. So, no matter what happened I just used the event as an opportunity to see where I was reacting and what was stimulated in me. I used the relationship as a sort of cleaning tool to make myself all shiny and clear.

But you know what? It turned out that even wisdom like the statement you make can stick people. What I ended up realizing is that I just need to remove myself from the presence of some people. It is one thing to see everything as a reflection of you, it is something different to use this information to stupidly remain in patterns which do not serve you.

Since leaving my marriage I can't even begin to say how happy I am on a daily basis. I now live with someone who is compatible with me.

I have also cut some family ties with people who are truly abusive and use shame in an attempt to control all those in their life.

That does not mean that I am running from facing up to myself... it means I have learned that being where I resonate is a wise way to choose to build and enjoy my life.

You might just consider loosing contact with them. If there is benefit in having contact again someday ... you will know it.... then you can always re-engage with them.

[Hervé]

You're probably the sanest individual in that neighborhood of yours :)

There may be other authors who envisioned such switching of nastiness but the one I know for sure who predicted it is Laura knight-Jadczyk and her wave-riding Cassiopeians: with the arriving of the "wave" people will start to either "lose it" or strengthen.

Their description of such switching is like a disintegration of personalities, people are not able to hold it together anymore and reveal their insanity... not able to hide it anymore.

May strength be with you!

[Freed Fox]

Um, hate to say this, but we recognise in others what we are in ourselves. The universe mirrors back to us ourselves!! It is a self reflective universe! Every person on their spiritual journey gets to recognise this unpleasant and ego-hurting truth eventually. To realise this is a great sign of progress.

I'm sorry, but I must disagree. At best, this is far too simplified.

What about Mahatma Gandhi? He advocated non-violent means of protest, and practiced it absolutely. Yet, he was physically assaulted by those opposed to him.

What about Martin Luther King Jr.? He believed firmly in not judging by the color of one's skin, and yet he encountered a great number of racists. His insistence on non-violence suggests to me that he didn't harbor that kind of racism secretly.

These are easy examples, but they serve to illustrate the fallacy. Doubtlessly, there are many more.

[vilcabamba]

Some ignoramus said...."Um, hate to say this, but we recognise in others what we are in ourselves. The universe mirrors back to us ourselves!! It is a self reflective universe! Every person on their spiritual journey gets to recognise this unpleasant and ego-hurting truth eventually. To realise this is a great sign of progress. "

The quote above is just one of those new age beliefs that i believe are quiet stupid. Did my baby uncles in Aushwitz at five years old deserve what the nazi's did to them when they were put in a gas shower, did it mirror what themselves back?? Did JFK deserve to be shot in the head for trying to disband the cabal?
Quotes above are the reason why i have started to stay away from new age forums, as i believe the luciferians have injected alot of false beLIEfs into the new age movement that make people quote things like above like they are "stepford wife" zombies, similar to wind me up dolls and pull my strings and i'll say a new age quote.

As far as your question, yes, some people are getting more evil as things progress on this planet. It has nothing to to do with you. Just be an outsider looking in at the psychopaths that run on this earth. It's the reptilian energies that influence people and can strike at the strangest times in addition the transhumanization agenda is much further along then the alternative new age communities think.
Why hasn't the cabal shut down sites talking about the nanotechnology in chemtrails? Because the new agers believe this agenda is just starting out and have no idea that their bodies are ALREADY filled with nanotechnology that is hooked up to the satalite systems. I am friends with a former military bio warfare scientist and i know the agenda is much more advanced then the new agers in the forums believe. They cannot raise their frequency and avoid the alien nanotechnology. That is ignorance. Everyone is being implanted and when someone is near the satalite or somehow triggered, the implants take over and you will see a cyborg or artificial intelligence take over their body and turn them psycho. I realize this happened to my family as descendents from Nazi Germany testing. I believe we were tested on and i saw my parents turn psycho and i found out five years ago that i was fully implanted with the nanotechnology and now recognize that my family was as well. If someone has cystic acne. ..they are more then likely implants.

The new age movement was sponsored by the satanists and the mind control area of the government, The Tavistock institute. And this leads to new agers using new age quotes to put down other new agers or stop them from taking action or make them feel bad. The quotes above regarding the women's attitudes as a reflection on you is coming from new age mind control compliments of the satanists. If these ignorant people above would stop and really be conscious about their thoughts they would realize that black people did not do something to be though of as slaves back in the day, native americans didn't deserve to be slaughtered b.c it was a reflection on them. These new age beliefs are hogwash.

[Lettherebelight]

Another possibility is that the people are the same, but you are increasing in awareness and can recognise selfish motivation.
We communicate with our hearts and minds more than our words.

[enfoldedblue]

Um, hate to say this, but we recognise in others what we are in ourselves. The universe mirrors back to us ourselves!! It is a self reflective universe! Every person on their spiritual journey gets to recognise this unpleasant and ego-hurting truth eventually. To realise this is a great sign of progress.

I'm sorry, but I must disagree. At best, this is far too simplified.

What about Mahatma Gandhi? He advocated non-violent means of protest, and practiced it absolutely. Yet, he was physically assaulted by those opposed to him.

What about Martin Luther King Jr.? He believed firmly in not judging by the color of one's skin, and yet he encountered a great number of racists. His insistence on non-violence suggests to me that he didn't harbor that kind of racism secretly.

These are easy examples, but they serve to illustrate the fallacy. Doubtlessly, there are many more.

though I agree that it is an issue that can be viewed in over simplified ways I feel inclined to add another perspective. I think we are all incredibly complex creatures and contain everything from the most beautiful to the most horrid (as fractals of the whole we contain it all). So because we contain everything we are naturally going to see everything in the external reflection. So because we see challenging people it does not necessarily reflect badly on us. I believe that it is not what we are faced with that measures us, but how we deal with what we are faced with that measures us. And there is no clear cut right or wrong when it comes to the 'HOW' . I would imagine that someone like Gandhi would have attained a state where those negative people that surfaced in his reality actually had very little effect on his personal energy field. So basically I am saying it is not if they surround us, but how they affect us that is the issue. If their presence brings up negative feelings within us, then that is what we need to look at.

I always see people that surround me who I perceive as negative as offering me an opportunity to see aspects within that could use some work, but as Dawn said, it doesn't mean that I have to subject myself in any long term way to their presence to learn the lesson they offer...sometimes the lesson is to recognize we have learned what we needed to learn and walk away. I think if we walk away and are done with that energy then it will cease being so present in our lives, but if we find ourselves continually meeting and reacting to a certain type of person then there is probably something we need to work on.

[Ahnung-quay]

Kinda makes you feel like you're waking up in Stepford, doesn't it?

[AutumnW]

Um, hate to say this, but we recognise in others what we are in ourselves. The universe mirrors back to us ourselves!! It is a self reflective universe! Every person on their spiritual journey gets to recognise this unpleasant and ego-hurting truth eventually. To realise this is a great sign of progress.

I think that this is true some of the time. But to extend it to all cases of failure in interpersonal or political relationships is going too far.

I have heard from other people that the woman I recently went no contact with is lethally jealous and not of me, specifically, as far as I know, but of a lot of people. I'm not a jealous person. This isn't a mirroring phenomenon.

It has been one of the more curious experiences of my life. She treats her husband like crap, runs him down in front of other people and has to be center stage all the time.

The way I dealt with this was to be as kind to her as I could, for years. I understood that whatever her problem was, it likely stemmed from insecurity, so I made sure whenever we were together or in a group to praise her, to listen to everything she had to say, carefully. In other words, I tried to take a strong interest in her and her life, because I thought it might help her.

This week she was in town with her husband. They just returned from a trip to Europe, where they stayed for free, in our condo, for a month. My husband is still over there. I had to stay home because I was too sick to travel.

She called to say hi and told me I had just three hours to hang out with them. They were staying with a mutual friend. I was to find my way to the friend's place and back somehow. I don't drive.

She told me in an icy tone that she wouldn't have time for me for the rest of the week! I was completely stunned. There were several practical reasons and logistics issues, to be fair, but damn...how about springing for a taxi?

Anyway, after years of wtf moments with her, I finally had it. I wrote her a blistering email and went 'no contact'

The more I have tried, the worse she has gotten. Same with the other friend.

The disordered, self-centered just seem to be getting worse and maybe, also, a little less stealthy, a little more overt.

But Carmen, you are definitely not all wrong. For example, when I was much younger, there was an actress who got on my nerves to the point it was difficult to watch her. The characters she played, I found off-putting. Further to that, I wondered how she garnered leading lady roles, because I thought she was unattractive.

Well...guess what? People started to tell me how much I looked like this actress and beyond that that I had similar mannerisms and our personalities seemed to be similar. LOL! So there you go!

I don't by any means, write off what you are saying. This does happen on occasion. And it is true that people who really clash often DO have negative character traits in common. It's just not an iron-clad rule

[Oouthere]

I know some people get mad at me, but normally because I deal in facts and do not believe everything is love-and-light...though I once did. I was driven to be like this as people have lied and deceived so much that it becomes hard to function as my basic trusting nature wants me live.

Easy-going, peace loving, docile people are destroyed in today's world...we shouldn't have to live like this.

[Ahnung-quay]

The trick is, don't take on their garbage. Realize, it's not you, it's them. Part ways with no ill will and keep being yourself knowing that you have harmed no one. Sooner or later, they may wake up too and change their ways, or not.

[andrewgreen]

Life teaching you what you need to know, I'm sure in the future you can look back and realise why you the lessons you needed to learn.

[HaulinBananas]

I like the article by Tom Montalk about Spiritless Humans. In some of Dolores Cannon's later work, there was some mention of something like "background people". The Montalk article is a pretty good observation of various types of humanity.

http://montalk.net/matrix/157/spiritless-humans

Excerpt from the long one page article:


Spiritless Humans
montalk.net » 27 April 09

(This article replaces Matrix Agents: Profiles and Analysis)

Empty people. Puppet people. Cardboard cutouts. Drones. Organic Portals. Background characters. Why do these terms even exist? Because out of necessity they had to be invented by those who independently noticed the same puzzling phenomenon, one for which there is no official name: some people seem to be missing something very important inside. While they are not necessarily any less intelligent, successful, or physically healthy as anyone else, they nevertheless show no indication of having any higher components to their consciousness.

Over the years I have received emails from readers who came to this same conclusion. They noticed that some people were strangely one dimensional and hollow inside. This observation is not hard to miss, but it is easy to rationalize away, especially with modern society being so heavily brainwashed with the politically correct but unrealistic concept that everyone is completely equal in every way, which ignores functional differences due to environmental, genetic, and most importantly, metaphysical factors.

Background

The idea of empty people first dawned on me in 1999 after having done much research into sociopaths and psychopaths, their condition being medically known as APD or “Antisocial Personality Disorder.” My interest in the subject grew out of having been forced for many years to suffer under someone whom I later learned had all the signs of being a sociopath. Heartless and soulless were descriptive terms, but little did I know just how literally true they were. I had noticed in this person an emptiness behind the eyes and a very shallow conscious essence, which seemed to be at the root of the behaviors I observed.

Eventually I realized that this same root condition was present in some others who were not outwardly sociopathic, but whose lack of heart was masked by a well-adapted social exterior. In other words, what psychiatry would diagnose as APD was only the more extreme, criminal, sloppy manifestation of a condition that otherwise expressed itself more widely in a socially acceptable and less incriminating manner. The latter is what may account for the body of empty people present in the population.

But what exactly is missing in them? The answer is clear if we look at their common behaviors and qualities of consciousness.

Behavioral and Psychic Characteristics

Their behavior tends toward being glib, shallow, egotistical, narcissistic, mundane, predatory, and materialistic. Sometimes these traits are camouflaged by a polished social exterior, but anyone with a discerning eye can see through the disguise. They lack individuality, independent thinking, and are strongly biased toward holding a herd mentality. They lack comprehension of anything beyond the material sphere of the five senses, and have no interest in such metaphysical matters except as flashy accessories to boost their social image. They also appear entirely incapable of empathy, soul-searching, and willful self-sacrifice. Nevertheless, in the presence of others they can put on a flashy show of concern, distress, or altruism for purposes of social manipulation; for example, crocodile tears to elicit sympathy, or doing something nice for another solely to guilt trip them later and extort a favor.

Psychically scanning their consciousness reveals something interesting. There is a certain simplicity, flatness, and inertness to their essence, even if their intellects are highly developed. Unlike other people, their conscious energy is more diffuse, dull, impermanent, and amorphous rather than solid, sparkling, crystallized, and concentrated. Put another way, their minds are like sand castles instead of real castles. There is something animalistic and rudimentary piloting their bodies. It seems they have conscious awareness just as plants and animals do, but not conscious self-awareness as humans are supposed to have. There is an important difference between awareness and self-awareness.

Spirit: The Missing Component

The missing factor must be something that endows a being with self-awareness, volition, and the capacity to value transcendental ideals. This goes beyond mere physical factors like missing portions of the brain, defective genetics, or a poor upbringing, because the latter are just defects in the hardware and programming of the biological machine, whereas the problem here involves the consciousness operating the machine. What intuitive or clairvoyant perception picks up about their consciousness involves metaphysical factors instead.

What to call this higher component of consciousness absent in some people? Usually it would be called the soul, but that has caused too much confusion in the past. For example, casual readers unfamiliar with the proper definition of “soulless” thought it meant “completely devoid of consciousness” when in reality it meant “devoid of individualized consciousness.” No, they do have some kind of soul energy by virtue of being alive, but the soul is not imbued with a higher spark of true sentience and self-awareness.

Therefore I will call this higher spark “spirit” and define it as follows: spirit is the core of individualized consciousness, that permanent aspect of one’s being representing the true Self, which accumulates experiences and spiritual wisdom throughout life, survives physical death, and remains intact upon reincarnating to continue growing toward the fulfillment of its potential. It is the divine god-spark, the seat of freewill, the holographic fragment of the Creator residing at the very center of your being, the “I” that is you, the inner conscious observer capable of observing even its own self-observation.

It seems not all humans have spirit. Therefore they have no self-awareness, individuality, wisdom, empathy, creative intelligence, or conscience. What further confirms this hypothesis is that, as will be discussed below, one may observe a total absence of destiny, synchronicity, symbolic dreams, spiritual lessons, soul growth, and karma in their lives. This is to be expected if they have nothing permanent in them that survives death and reincarnates, because only spirit can gain from such things. Without spirit, they are temporary beings whose awareness forms shortly before birth and dissolves shortly after death. And if so, then for them, spiritual life lessons serve no purpose, karma from past lives does not exist, there is no higher Self acting as chaperone, nor would they have genuine interest in anything that serves a purpose beyond their current mortal existence. Therefore it is to be expected that they be particularly materialistic, worldly, and mundane in their ambitions; observation confirms this as well.

Other Components

How can we better understand all this? By understanding the various components and how they combine to make the whole of a being, we can grasp the numerous differences and similarities between spirited and spiritless humans1.

Aside from spirit, the other components are body and soul. Soul is the nonphysical energetic interface between body and spirit. Occultists divide the soul into the etheric and astral bodies. The aforementioned “empty” people have bodies and souls, but not spirits. In this way it is clear that they have some kind of conscious energy, but not the permanent core that retains continuity through incarnations . . .

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[Shezbeth]

"It is better to be alone than to be among poor company" George Washington

I agree that the people we encounter may not be and/or probably aren't a direct reflection of ourselves. That said, there is definitely a determinable defect if one continues to engage in an unhealthy relationship. Say i find myself surrounded by angry people, even though I am a very passive and mellow person. They don't reflect me or my disposition, but perhaps there is something in me that leads me to conclude that the relationship IS healthy and acceptable.

Additionally, as one grows and develops, it stands to reason that those who are of disparate nature shall become MORE so, at which point (though I don't think along these lines) one could almost intuit the universe saying "Yes, it absolutely is time to be done with this, and if you don't think so I can just turn up the 'volume' some more."

[panopticon]

Hi AutumnW,

Sounds like you've done the right thing, though sending off a blistering e-mail may not have been the best choice as you've given her evidence to show others how you have mistreated her "after everything she's done for you".

Always best to never leave any evidence that can be used against you. :spy:

If she is as controlling as you say then I would anticipate her trying to turn others against you by using the above approach and emotional blackmail.

My advice, don't retaliate in any way manner or form. Yep, garner the moral high ground and move on (she's very experienced at manipulation from what you've said so assume the situation will be turned against you). If mutual friends (or worse your husband) try to reconcile you don't get buy into it.

Remember the old saying: "wipe the mud off your boot before you come in the door".

-- Pan

[Oouthere]

The above article was interesting. I met an abductee couple partially due to his ability to see other "experiencers" in what he calls a white out. He will see everything around him go white and the people in question will show in orange. Maybe that's the different between hollow people and spiritual? I don't know, but that's how he saw my daughter and I and this proved to him we were experiencers.

He said at times he would walk through whole stores and not see anyone that was orange.

[sigma6]

Um, hate to say this, but we recognise in others what we are in ourselves. The universe mirrors back to us ourselves!! It is a self reflective universe! Every person on their spiritual journey gets to recognise this unpleasant and ego-hurting truth eventually. To realise this is a great sign of progress.

I think this is so over simplified as to be misleading... I don't think the "mirror image" principle is that explanatory, trying using it to play checkers or chess against someone, but not just that, it doesn't take into account personal responsibility that others have to take, instead it's all just "you creating it..." Not buying it, doesn't explain enough, and it's too egocentric (solipsism)

Some people are just plain evil, and I am glad that, unlike in my youth, I can more clearly understand and identify it for what it is... I mean think how well that would work if your job was dealing with the criminally insane... lol

[Snowflower]

My opinion:

Yes, more people are going crazy. Some of them are getting downright mean. Some are a bit scary. It's the vibration change in the planet that's driving folks nuts. I've had some of it hit me. I got weird a few years ago. Then I figured out what was happening and am managing a lot better, by staying as detached as possible and focusing on shifting with the earth's energy.

Besides the vibration patterns changing, in the US, 40% of the people are on some form of psychotropic medication. A known side effect of sudden withdrawal from those drugs are suicidal or homicidal behavior. So, what happens in this country when all commerce stops overnight and there are suddenly 40% of the population trying to kill themselves and others? Going to get really scary.

Anyway, just my opinion, but I'm pretty practical. Not into philosophizing, getting to the point of despising new agey fake spirituality, and seeing hypocrisy all around. So, shake the dust from your feet and find new people.

[AutumnW]

Hi AutumnW,

Sounds like you've done the right thing, though sending off a blistering e-mail may not have been the best choice as you've given her evidence to show others how you have mistreated her "after everything she's done for you".

Always best to never leave any evidence that can be used against you. :spy:

If she is as controlling as you say then I would anticipate her trying to turn others against you by using the above approach and emotional blackmail.

My advice, don't retaliate in any way manner or form. Yep, garner the moral high ground and move on (she's very experienced at manipulation from what you've said so assume the situation will be turned against you). If mutual friends (or worse your husband) try to reconcile you don't get buy into it.

Remember the old saying: "wipe the mud off your boot before you come in the door".

-- Pan

Hi Pan, You're right. But it felt so good! I felt if I didn't unload a few days build up of bile I might get liver cancer or something.;)

[AutumnW]

"It is better to be alone than to be among poor company" George Washington

I agree that the people we encounter may not be and/or probably aren't a direct reflection of ourselves. That said, there is definitely a determinable defect if one continues to engage in an unhealthy relationship. Say i find myself surrounded by angry people, even though I am a very passive and mellow person. They don't reflect me or my disposition, but perhaps there is something in me that leads me to conclude that the relationship IS healthy and acceptable.



Additionally, as one grows and develops, it stands to reason that those who are of disparate nature shall become MORE so, at which point (though I don't think along these lines) one could almost intuit the universe saying "Yes, it absolutely is time to be done with this, and if you don't think so I can just turn up the 'volume' some more."

I agree whole heartedly, but it's more difficult if the friend is in your extended family or if it's a couple's thing and the wife is bad tempered barnacle welded to her husband's ass.

[panopticon]

bad tempered barnacle welded to her husband's ass.

hehehe, thanks for the smile that bought to ma dial. :heh:

[Fairy Friend]

I hate to break this to you too but a lot of people on this planet are dysfunctional. And I hate to tell you, some of them are on drugs and alcohol too. And you may not be aware of this but some of them are pissed off and angry as well. And of course some of them are armed, so you be careful, trust your instincts and don't just react. Hostile yet beautiful Earth. The beginning of golden ages are often very messy.

[varuna]

AutumnW....what an interesting thread, as someone who works in the mental health field I help people who are being victimized and bullied all the time, in the work place particularly, it saddens me greatly to see lovely, sensitive caring people treated so badly. I hope I help them pick themselves up, gather their strength and walk away if that is what is needed. But also recognise if there is a pattern of them finding themselves being treated negatively, (multiple abusive relationships)..although sometimes is it just a case of coming up against a sociopath and we just don't see it coming - it is what it is.

My supervisor once told me that at certain times in our life we tend to 'weed the garden', a metaphor for ridding ourselves of people who no longer serve us or who we suddenly recognise as no longer resonating with us...usually at time when we grow and change ourselves. We can detach ourselves enough to become an observer of them and say hey this is no longer what I am about.

All good wishes, V

[heather6thsense]

There are great words of wisdom in reply to your question regarding "More nasty fake people." There's no right or wrong answers because being real is about taking responsibility about what we feel. If we don't own it we can't change it. We are the creator of our own Master Piece on the canvass. If it's not what you want or who you want in your life then change it. What is better? To be happy or right?

[Bill Ryan]

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Couldn't resist joining in this very interesting discussion!



Um, hate to say this, but we recognise in others what we are in ourselves. The universe mirrors back to us ourselves!! It is a self reflective universe! Every person on their spiritual journey gets to recognise this unpleasant and ego-hurting truth eventually. To realise this is a great sign of progress.

I'm sorry, but I must disagree. At best, this is far too simplified.

What about Mahatma Gandhi? He advocated non-violent means of protest, and practiced it absolutely. Yet, he was physically assaulted by those opposed to him.

What about Martin Luther King Jr.? He believed firmly in not judging by the color of one's skin, and yet he encountered a great number of racists. His insistence on non-violence suggests to me that he didn't harbor that kind of racism secretly.

These are easy examples, but they serve to illustrate the fallacy. Doubtlessly, there are many more.

I agree 100% with Freed Fox's disagreement. :)



I hate to break this to you too but a lot of people on this planet are dysfunctional. And I hate to tell you, some of them are on drugs and alcohol too. And you may not be aware of this but some of them are pissed off and angry as well. And of course some of them are armed, so you be careful, trust your instincts and don't just react. Hostile yet beautiful Earth. The beginning of golden ages are often very messy.

I fully agree here, also. There are a lot of dysfunctional people around. And they are NOT mirrors of yourself. That is totally not true, and we do ourselves a tremendous (and possibly damaging) disservice if we buy that kind of thinking.

Sadly, not all humans are the same, have the same origins, have the same purposes or missions, or have the same ethics and integrity.

[jackovesk]

G'day AutumnW,

I can tell you, I had to leave a whole city and moved 2,000 miles away due to the suppressed & ignorant social class I grew up in stemming from the so called well-to-do (College Fraternity where business is incestuous) you scratch my back & I'll scratch yours...

My only contact is now through family & a few friends and what I really find ironic in a (Karma) sort of a way is now their (Social Structure) is literally (Collapsing) all around them and they have (No Idea) how it happened...:shocked:

They are losing their jobs, parents are having to chip in and support their own child's family, etc...

PS - There hasn't been 1 second of regret since moving away from that (Toxic) environment...:nono:

[Tangri]

It started over 15 years ago. Our friends began to be removed from our dial up call list one by one . At first I thought, it was because of our baby, she disturbed our none parent friend's(with lack of empathy) comfort zone .

Now, years later still we have problem at continuity in relation ship with friends.

What I believe on friendship is about a sharing, caring(without suffocating) and have moderate acceptancy. When it becomes a competition break up is unavoidable.

IMHO these can be the reasons

1-As we aged, our tolerance becomes weak, our threshold narrows.
2-As we aged, our intelligence different depth/elevate the borders of friendship.
3-We half-opened our third eyes, and what we see is disturbing our acceptancy.
4-Our perceptiveness is losing it's ignorance part.
5-People is getting more and more crazy.:eek:

[Eram]

Carmen: Um, hate to say this, but we recognise in others what we are in ourselves. The universe mirrors back to us ourselves!! It is a self reflective universe! Every person on their spiritual journey gets to recognise this unpleasant and ego-hurting truth eventually. To realise this is a great sign of progress.

This is such an interesting and alluring comment. I believed this for years and years, which is why I stayed in my marriage. I believed the above hook, line, and sinker. So, no matter what happened I just used the event as an opportunity to see where I was reacting and what was stimulated in me. I used the relationship as a sort of cleaning tool to make myself all shiny and clear.

But you know what? It turned out that even wisdom like the statement you make can stick people. What I ended up realizing is that I just need to remove myself from the presence of some people. It is one thing to see everything as a reflection of you, it is something different to use this information to stupidly remain in patterns which do not serve you.

Since leaving my marriage I can't even begin to say how happy I am on a daily basis. I now live with someone who is compatible with me.

I have also cut some family ties with people who are truly abusive and use shame in an attempt to control all those in their life.

That does not mean that I am running from facing up to myself... it means I have learned that being where I resonate is a wise way to choose to build and enjoy my life.

You might just consider loosing contact with them. If there is benefit in having contact again someday ... you will know it.... then you can always re-engage with them.

I'm not so sure that Carmen's post is of no value.
It's all in how you interpret it and make use of it.

Often we can't stand certain trades or expressions of character in other persons and on reflection, we can find that these are actually judgments and repressed energies on our own tendencies.
For instance: I couldn't stand how my mother used emotional manipulation as a tool to get what she want. I loathed it. Until I found out that these same impulses lived in me too, but in suppressed form . It was only when I recognized these and became aware of them that I could work through them and lay them to rest. After that, this behavior of my mother didn't trigger me into strong repulsive emotions. it doesn't mean that I let her get her way with it or ignore it, it just doesn't trigger me anymore.

Here lies the difference. To judge something as bad and then repress this tendency in yourself is unhealthy, but to recognize it and consciously make the choice to not go this way is stepping up to a higher level of living. The first one puts you in lock-down, the latter affords freedom.
In my observation, most people (myself included) have lots of these suppressed tendencies in our emotional and thought system and this insight can use as a perfect tool to work on them.

As with all spiritual insights, it is the interpretation that we give to it that allows us to implement it correctly or not.
As we use this as a reason to stay in a relationship that is unhealthy for both, like you did Dawn, then we read more into this rule as we should imo.
An unhealthy relationship is just that. We can use it to some extend to learn about ourselves, but if there is no soil there to grow toward each other and more peace and understanding, then it might be best to break up eventually.

[AutumnW]

AutumnW....what an interesting thread, as someone who works in the mental health field I help people who are being victimized and bullied all the time, in the work place particularly, it saddens me greatly to see lovely, sensitive caring people treated so badly. I hope I help them pick themselves up, gather their strength and walk away if that is what is needed. But also recognise if there is a pattern of them finding themselves being treated negatively, (multiple abusive relationships)..although sometimes is it just a case of coming up against a sociopath and we just don't see it coming - it is what it is.

My supervisor once told me that at certain times in our life we tend to 'weed the garden', a metaphor for ridding ourselves of people who no longer serve us or who we suddenly recognise as no longer resonating with us...usually at time when we grow and change ourselves. We can detach ourselves enough to become an observer of them and say hey this is no longer what I am about.

All good wishes, V

Varuna, thank you so much for taking the time to respond in such a kind and encouraging way. Your post really made me think. I'm weeding because I absolutely have to. I can no longer tolerate people who have no time for me but pretend to be my friends, for convenience sake and for what I can offer them. My family and a few of my friends met this criteria. I have severed ties with my younger sister and my brother is on notice that I won't accept degrading treatment, ever, ever again.

We keep people that hurt us, in our lives because severing ties is a harrowing experience. If it's family, it's like removing a limb. But it's better to hobble around on one leg than to remain whole and be saddled with the burden of false sentiments, mundane mindless chatter and a complete and total lack of genuine concern. Relationships that are woefully lacking in reciprocity weigh us down to the point that, spiritually, we are barely able to move.

[Pam]

Some ignoramus said...."Um, hate to say this, but we recognise in others what we are in ourselves. The universe mirrors back to us ourselves!! It is a self reflective universe! Every person on their spiritual journey gets to recognise this unpleasant and ego-hurting truth eventually. To realise this is a great sign of progress. "

The quote above is just one of those new age beliefs that i believe are quiet stupid. Did my baby uncles in Aushwitz at five years old deserve what the nazi's did to them when they were put in a gas shower, did it mirror what themselves back?? Did JFK deserve to be shot in the head for trying to disband the cabal?
Quotes above are the reason why i have started to stay away from new age forums, as i believe the luciferians have injected alot of false beLIEfs into the new age movement that make people quote things like above like they are "stepford wife" zombies, similar to wind me up dolls and pull my strings and i'll say a new age quote.

As far as your question, yes, some people are getting more evil as things progress on this planet. It has nothing to to do with you. Just be an outsider looking in at the psychopaths that run on this earth. It's the reptilian energies that influence people and can strike at the strangest times in addition the transhumanization agenda is much further along then the alternative new age communities think.
Why hasn't the cabal shut down sites talking about the nanotechnology in chemtrails? Because the new agers believe this agenda is just starting out and have no idea that their bodies are ALREADY filled with nanotechnology that is hooked up to the satalite systems. I am friends with a former military bio warfare scientist and i know the agenda is much more advanced then the new agers in the forums believe. They cannot raise their frequency and avoid the alien nanotechnology. That is ignorance. Everyone is being implanted and when someone is near the satalite or somehow triggered, the implants take over and you will see a cyborg or artificial intelligence take over their body and turn them psycho. I realize this happened to my family as descendents from Nazi Germany testing. I believe we were tested on and i saw my parents turn psycho and i found out five years ago that i was fully implanted with the nanotechnology and now recognize that my family was as well. If someone has cystic acne. ..they are more then likely implants.

The new age movement was sponsored by the satanists and the mind control area of the government, The Tavistock institute. And this leads to new agers using new age quotes to put down other new agers or stop them from taking action or make them feel bad. The quotes above regarding the women's attitudes as a reflection on you is coming from new age mind control compliments of the satanists. If these ignorant people above would stop and really be conscious about their thoughts they would realize that black people did not do something to be though of as slaves back in the day, native americans didn't deserve to be slaughtered b.c it was a reflection on them. These new age beliefs are hogwash.


I don't believe that is what Carmen is saying. She did NOT say that whatever happens to you , you deserve. She was referring to a psychological state. When you are irritated by a specific type of behavior it is because at some level we recognize it in ourselves and at that time we cannot consciously accept that trait as our own. From my personal experience I have found this to be very accurate and a wonderful spiritual tool You could call it transference.Each individual has the free will to determine if they stay in the presence of that source of irritation or not You can also choose to examine yourself in response to the irritation you feel.You also have the choice of calling the other person a jerk and moving on.

sincerely, pam

[kirolak]

Michael Topper (whoever he may be now!) has this to say on the topic of creating one's own reality:

http://cassiopaea.org/cass/topperycyor.htm

I am of two minds , as I see a great deal of my own "creation" around me. . .

[bruno dante]

I believe Carmen is correct in her statement regarding seeing in others what we see in ourselves (or don't see, but is there nonetheless). Boy, I've experienced this literally thousands of times in my life. The trick is that you have to be brutally honest with yourself to see it sometimes (in yourself).

John Lennon famously said: It is the most violent people who go for love and peace. Everything is the opposite...". To the outside world it may have seemed that Lennons' eventual murder was cruelly ironic given his stance on peace, but the truth is that he was a very violent man prior to his peace movement...beating up women even. I'm not saying he deserved to be shot, I'm just using this as an example to place it aside some comments above regarding Gandhi and MLK Jr. Neither of those men would have been so passionate about their plight if they too hadn't felt raging violence and an intense sense of racism along their journey .Their saving grace, as Eram said so eloquently above, was that they campaigned tirelessly to change this in others and in themselves. That's where the divinity lies, in my humble opinion.

[donk]

I'm glad to see Dawn and FF's and other's comments, as I hate seeing the personal responsibility/everything is mirror of yourself meme being pushed to such an extreme. Individual beings are responsibile for themselves with their own problems and noticing issues within them is not necessarily a reflection (it can be but jeez, it's not only answer--otherwise you slip into solipsism).

I feel like the veneer of "civilization" is wearing thinner by the day, and those without self awareness are effected even if they are not conscious of it, I think there's plenty of souls here dissatisfied with bill of sh!t they been sold but can't face the possibility that it is all big lies.

We need to dig deep to find the patience to deal with this, I feel if we can mitigate this thing by living as an example we just might create a satisfying existence for more and more of us. We are all in this together, even though we've been programmed to believe it's every man for themselves. Let's flip the paradigm!

[bruno dante]

Well I agree Donk -- the rule doesn't apply *every time*, of course.

But in general, from my experience anyway, when I'm seeing things in others like jealousy, bitterness, excessive envy, and maybe the emotional games someone is playing...and I feel that sting of annoyance, or a false sense of superiority, I've almost always been forced to acknowledge my own indulgence of these emotions and feelings. I may not be indulging them *now*, and I may not have in some time, but I have often found myself getting extremely annoyed with others for acting out in a certain way that I too have done. There's a certain sense of superiority that resists admitting it -- and we all enjoy that feeling of superiority -- but it eventually breaks down and we're forced to admit that yes, I've behaved that way too...and maybe I still do sometimes. That's partially why we become so annoyed with others when they do represent these lesser qualities...because we're forced to acknowledge them in ourselves..

But no, not *every* time..

[Carmen]

Wow, that was a great response/ reaction from many people!

I will explain more fully by what I mean by my somewhat 'throwaway' post. When I first heard about this idea/ statement that we live in a self reflective universe it caused much thought, pondering and pissed offness within myself. It sure as hell didn't cause me not to leave a mentally abusive husband or hang around people I was not compatible with! What the idea did was to cause me to question repetitive reactions to certain friends or aquaintances,attitudes. It was as though my soul faced me with these attitudes more and more till I 'got it'! They were attitudes from me that I was rejecting and projecting on to others. In other words, not owning my ****!

I generally only talk about what I myself have experienced personally. When I first consciously woke up and consciously made the descision change and grow in this life, all experiences have been 'grist for the mill'. The idea that I live in 'my world' and that everyone in it is somehow 'me', has been a great tool to learn from and grow from. I live in the country so don't have a lot of people around me at any one time, but I find I don't meet undesirable people anywhere.

Another part of the idea of the self reflective universe is that what we choose to see in people is what we somehow 'bring out' in people. For the most part I think every person, at any time, is doing the best they can with what they've got. Their upbringing, their belief systems, have completely shaped they behaviour and actions. For the most part I have not moved in places where there are brain dead, drug sodden, violent people. That is not my soul journey this time around.

Thank you for this thread AutumnW, it's something I can get my teeth into! I do hope all the comments have somehow clarified your question for you.

To add a comment about some of the heroes who have changed society's attitude like Ghandi, Martin Luther King and others. They were completely awake and aware of what they were doing and of the violent reaction they would encounter. Others violence did not engender or meet any violence in them, as there was none. They did what they did as shining examples of nonviolent change that brought out the best in others to do the same.

[raregem]

PETERPAM wrote: "When you are irritated by a specific type of behavior it is because at some level we recognize it in ourselves and at that time we cannot consciously accept that trait as our own."

I agree with your words Pam.

I also think personal -loss of control- in the situation can be exhibited as irritation. Which, in and of itself, is a trait to release.

[Sidney]

Hi AutumnW, my two cents................It's not you.:ohwell:

[superconsciousness]

Thinking creates destiny....starting......NOW!!!

[Flash]

Personnally, I create my reality by attracting like vibrations, period and period. Yes, in my personal life, I attract nice people.

BUT - The guy who screamed at us last week saying it was his appointment time, because we were late talking to my daughter's teachers to solve problems is definitely not me, it does not look nor behave like me (yes this kind of behavior is a it). The teachers were astonished, me too.

In about 20 years, I have seen the intolerance grow higher and the bullies taking more and more place in this society. I know, i have seen thousands of people and I am specialised in curstomer relations. Customer service agents go on burn out more and more and turn over in Customer service reps is 50% annually, and there is a definite reason for this.

So I decided a while ago that I would not let bullies bully me anymore, so when I got out the classroom, the guy was there with his son, showing him how to behave towards others, and I did tell him in a loud voice what i think of him and how low life he was, not allowing parents to finish with the teachers. Of course, as a low life, he kept bitching, and because of this behavior, he has no opposition usually. Well, he had one Thursday.

The nice people have to put their pants on and resist bullies at all levels, from the bottom street gangs and nasty street behavior to school bullies to corporate bullies to banksters and cabal ad possibly some ETs.

And say no to porn site on which 8 years old learn to rape women, or on music videos that promotes being stoned out days in days out, or on video games that are only about killing and on companies that looks only for profit, not for educating Entertainment, therefore ruining our youngs.

[AutumnW]

Thank you, Sidney and everybody else who was interested enough and giving enough to respond.

The self-reflective universe idea has merit. Try going for a walk with a smile on your face and see how friendly the universe becomes. It does. That's very true--but only on a fairly superficial level. But here is where it gets tricky. Sometimes we can't paste a smile on our face. We are drawn, tired, sick, or whatever. Then what?

Do we deserve judgement about what WE are doing wrong, on top of our pain, grief, loneliness, sickness or sadness?

Is the Universe magically morphing from friendly to hostile by virtue of our mood brought on by any number of forces? Are we truly seeing the world through a glass darkly?

Is the social predator who preyed on my vulnerabilities, a few years back, my mirror image?

Am I the author of my own destiny, or am I at the mercy of the elements, my physical body and social-political forces outside of my control?

The theory of a self-reflective universe and taking responsibility for our **** as some described is potentially dangerous, not because it's wrong. It's dangerous because it is partly right.

It elegantly describes one set of dynamics. It is a blanket explanation that only covers one side of the bed. Those on that side of the bed rest soundly, sure in their conviction that everybody is covered. They are blind to the fact that on the other side, many people are shivering in the dark. I hate to milk a metaphor for all it's worth but I really wanted to 'cover' the issue properly!

People who are often quite nasty are nestled firmly and smugly, not snugly, under the covers. This is not meant as a slight to anybody here who subscribes to this theory. I am speaking in broad generalities.

[Carmen]

Just a few more comments on this subject as I seem to have engendered some comment from my first post. BTW Autumn, I am hoping this discussion is of benefit to you.

In my experience with this 'mirrowing' (spelling!!) is that it has been very useful in changing attitudes in myself. When I would finally 'get' a behaviour that I had, and corrected it, I didn't see it in others again. Everything would be harmonious.

As with many others who start on a spiritual journey to grow and change, I lost most of my old friends who could not cope with the new me. If was a very solitary journey and still is, but that is my preference now. I gradually attracted like minded friends who would talk about more meatier subjects though and that is great.

I gradually influenced and could guide and help my family also. I am very grateful to my ex husband (married 45 years). He was a great teacher. It was truly gratifying to finally see my eldest daughter standing up to her father who constantly criticised her. When she calmly pointed out to him that what she did was none of his business and to 'butt out', their whole relationship changed. They get on well now.

The thing is, the people closest to us, we can reject and completely move away from if they are nasty and argumentative, or we can change and influence them by our example of change. It is our choice, and it is up to us. My nature is of the warrior spirit so I usually hang in there.

My husband and I parted but we are on very good terms and all of the process of parting was harmonious and completely fair. This was very important to me as I wanted to see that parting could be pleasant. I intend to live in future world that is happy and harmonious and it is up to me to be that example. I don't always succeed but that's the intention.

[Dawn]

Panopticom: Sounds like you've done the right thing, though sending off a blistering e-mail may not have been the best choice as you've given her evidence to show others how you have mistreated her "after everything she's done for you".

Autumn: Hi Pan, You're right. But it felt so good! I felt if I didn't unload a few days build up of bile I might get liver cancer or something.

It is important to talk about balancing energy here. I am 'lucky' to be extremely sensitive and am constantly aware of the energies flowing around me. I can feel a psychic attack from half way around the globe or from an ex-husband or daughter. Most people are not consciously aware of such things, but that does not mean that they do not have an affect. All of us are powerful creators, though somewhat unconscious about how and what we create. Because of this it is not wise to throw hate and war energy at someone... for they will retaliate by sending you an attack in return.

This is the truth behind the idea of being cursed... and how this can affect you.

So, lets look at how to be free of these people... not just by deciding to eliminate contact with them, but by also freeing yourself energetically.

Here's the way I do it, and I'm sure there are wise people on Avalon who have their methods:

I close my eyes first and sort of imagine the person or group in front of me. Then I use one or both of the following methods:

Simplified Ho O'pono O'pono: this involves making 4 statements and focusing on your heart as you do with the intention of opening a connection to them
1. I love you (pause) I love you (pause) I love you (pause)
2. Thank you (pause) Thank you (pause) Thank you (pause)
3. I'm sorry for the pain I caused you (pause)... repeat 3 times total
... it seems silly to say this if you are dealing with a meanie... but they likely have a story they've made up about you being nasty so say it anyway
4. Can you forgive me (pause) ... repeat 3 times total

As you continue to work with these statements you will find that each one evokes a different type of energy. And as you do this work you will find that you are returning their energy to them and receiving your own energy back.

The second method is much simpler:
Say to yourself 'What is yours is yours, and what is mine is mine'... just keep the connection open and keep repeating until you feel done

At first when you begin balancing the energies between you and the people you've developed friction with they will continue to come to mind. It is best to assume that EVERY time they come to mind a connection is being made between you. So.. immediately begin one of the 2 suggested proceedures.

You will know when you are done, for you will never think of the other person. If you are working with someone you've spent a long time with (like family members) you might need to use these techniques for a few years... but you will need to use them less and less often in order to be free of the connection with the other.

This has really worked well for me in my life, and I've gone back through time and looked at every person and situation I could remember, then done this work. It is very freeing, and powerful, and life affirming.


Carmen: My husband and I parted but we are on very good terms and all of the process of parting was harmonious and completely fair. This was very important to me as I wanted to see that parting could be pleasant. I intend to live in future world that is happy and harmonious and it is up to me to be that example. I don't always succeed but that's the intention.

Thanks Carmen, yes this is possible and very desirable. I am great friends with my ex-husband and I have a very deep love for him. I did a LOT of Ho O'pono O'pono however.

[jagman]

Speaking of fake people,They really hate to see me coming...I can smell a con
from a mile away. I really honed my skills in deceptive behavior when I worked
at the prison. I had too, I was surrounded by 3000 criminals. Their crimes ranged
from stealing to serial killing. If you watch a person face specifically their eyes
when they are telling an untruth they will have some kind of tic or they will break
eye contact all together.
A few of my neighbors are deceptive people and they both know, I know it.
I try to avoid them but sometimes they both try to engage me in conversation
My neighbor fat Matt, My nickname for him, Might possibly be pervert. He watches
the young school girls get off the bus. My neighbor Jerry might be a peeking tom
He also reminds me of herbert on the Family Guy lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG-AwQAvbRo&feature=player_detailpage

[Shezbeth]

I agree whole heartedly, but it's more difficult if the friend is in your extended family or if it's a couple's thing and the wife is bad tempered barnacle welded to her husband's ass.

My goodness that's the truth. I can't speak for un-reasonable/healthy spouses but family; OH yes. IMO and family, the dysfunction/neglect/disregard is so endemic that one who DOESN'T display such behaviors IS the errant one. Additionally, each particular member is a most seasoned manipulator (emotional, monetary, logical, authoritarian,... etc.). I am fairly certain I(we) possess at least a moderate amount of reptilian DNA.

I credit that these experiences have made me a most shrewd observer/identifier of cons, manipulations, and other shenanigens, and Jagman is absolutely right about eye contact; also facial cues, body language, and choices of phrase and expression (leading, stonewalling, distracting, etc.).

Basically, my idea of what a family is/does was shaped by those who had a vested interest in manipulating me and one another, and it was only after casting off all such prescribed perceptions that I was finally able to get some degree of peace and stability. Likewise for 'close' friends who's friendship was based on maintaining 'prescribed group' behaviors, beliefs, and dispositions. In either case, (friends or family) the relationship was predicated on supplication, and forfeiture of personal sovereignty, which are two subjects for which I am no longer willing to compromise.

And yes, I had a lot of processing to go through before I was able to recognize that this was neither normal (in a healthy relationship), nor acceptable. In this I agree with Carmen, in that the relationships weren't a reflection of me literally, but a reflection of my unresolved conflicts which - though many/most were conditioned and outside of my nescient control/awareness - had to and could only be resolved by me, time, and a little bit of support from the one person whom I CAN count on. ^_^

You guys have helped too. I said in a recent PM that my experiences resulted in a 95% reduction in friends and family, but that is not entirely accurate as it doesn't account the friends I have made here. ^_~

Edit: And my kittens,... they've been instrumental.

[AutumnW]

Oh Man, You guys. All of you have been going through similar experiences with Nasty-asses. I am so sorry to read this, even though it's nice to have people to relate to. Flash, you are quite the fighter!

I am too. The woman who was manipulating events to edge me out---I suppose I could have handled it differently. My life, for the last few years, has been one big fight. I hate it, but, I am the perfect person for the job, as I too, like Flash, can and will go on the attack, to right something I perceive as wrong, on my own behalf and that of others. I can't handle being manipulated, particularly the f**k-over that's over-layed with gushy sentiment.

Needless to say, telling this old bat that she was a "castrating battle axe" to her husband could backfire against me. But, like I said....it felt reeeeeaaaaaaal gooood at the time. I just don't like being in an aggressive mind and body frame for long. Don't like to get that going. But sometimes, NOT doing something really robust, is harder on you mentally and physically. When you can't work things off on the raquetball court, the best way to discharge some adrenalin can be confronting the source.


I feel this woman will not treat anyone similarly again--not anytime soon. She's basically a coward. I am sure I rocked her world so bad, she is still picking herself up off the floor. I told her to never contact me again, ever and that if she wanted to play social games she'd have to find somebody else to mindf**k.

Today marks the day that I will not knowingly involve myself with anyone, even if it's through my husband, who raises red flags.

I'm going to take this heavy void in my chest, reflect on it, and make something of it, help others who hurt more than I do. It's the raw material that fuels creativity, if funneled the right way... The degree to which people have become dispirited and having to detach from others has to be addressed. I feel like I am in the middle of a maelstrom, an epic battle of not only good against evil, but authentic personhood against the vast dispirited herd of the unthinking and unfeeling, that seem to be congealing into an undifferentiated goo. And man, can they slime you with their indifference.

[Dawn]

Shezbeth: You guys have helped too. I said in a recent PM that my experiences resulted in a 95% reduction in friends and family, but that is not entirely accurate as it doesn't account the friends I have made here. ^_~

After my death in 1987, I found myself coming back into an insane world. 'Dawn' had relationships with people who seemed insane to me. They spent their time bonding through 'troubles sharing' just as the psychology studies show that women do. I could not stand to listen to their incessant talk which focused on 'aint it awful?'. I also found that I just could not return 'trouble stories' back to them.... I thought these people were all totally insane to spend their time looking at and making up negative things!!!!!!!!!!

For 7 years after that I did not have one single friend at all. I shared my thoughts with no one. And I pretended to have a normal personality within my family relationships, but I knew I was just acting. Things began to change slowly and now I do have a very small group of people I can really share with. These wonderful and awake humans live all over the planet, and some of them are here on Avalon.

I think it is important not to participate too much in consensus reality. It really is made up of insanity. I truly understand the phrase, 'In the world but not of it'.

Mostly these days I just love everyone. This is silent work and does not necessarily show to people I meet and greet. It does not matter to me if they see or feel it, for I do. One of the loveliest things about this is that the love I send out comes back to me as a constant and gentle field of warmth and love. As to how others treat me these days.... they are all loving unless they are feeling imbalanced themselves... in which case it is just more important for me to love them.

And yet I really like this ancient saying, "Trust in God, but tie up your camel" And that is always good advice.

[STR]

Knowing is hard to do in this world. What do we know really? We are born, we blossom outward and associate that which is perceived as the outward as separate and apart from us. Is it? Perhaps yes and no. It is an interactive mind game this outward. It seems to readily respond to the thoughts and impressions we place on it just as we can make our bodies respond only as in the body these things take time to develop. Such is life in the 3d environ. You cannot escape this slow process of manifestation while here in this organic experience! This we know also. Therefore yes, it is possible to be responsible for things that happen to you that could be seen as a bad or unjust thing. No one knows the true life story of a soul here. To presuppose you do know is not even worthy of serious discussion. Their life will unfold as it does just as yours and the cross they bear in life will be just as much burden to them as your own which by the way, should be the real cause of your concern. If you spend too much time in focus of how another carries their own cross in life you won't be making much progress in your own life for long until you navigate through.

Someone told me once that we see the world as we are not as it is. To get a handle on this I could say to you now to look around the room you are in and note all the brown all around you in the room. Quickly now look around and note all the brown in the next ten seconds and then close your eyes after making a mental image of the room and all you saw in that time that was brown.

Now tell me everything you saw in the room that was blue. You see? Its perception. While you see all the crap in life there is plenty of blue there also. You just have to chose to see it but more importantly you have to see these stumbling blocks and obstacles that come up in your life as the things that you need to work through. That is why they stand out to you and mostly only to you or others that perceive as you do. I don't buy that there are bad things that happen to good people. I think things happen period. Good and bad? That isn't even written in stone now is it? Do you think that what an Etruscan or Roman soldier saw as a normal good sexual encounter with a school age boy would still apply today? No of course not. The definition changes. History as you see it is not going to be viewed the same by another or even as a spirit outside this reality. You would then see it from a new perspective for sure. You have that choice now to do that. This too is known.