Masonry beyond our physical, material realm - what if?

[Chester]

What if your life led you down a road such that as your destiny unfolded, you found yourself walking the path of "Mystical Masonry?"

For one, there would not necessarily be any "secrecy agreements." I state not necessarily because it could be possible that one may have made such secrecy agreements yet if they had their memory wiped, may not be aware they made them at the conscious level.

So what if some "intelligence" that has its roots embedded in a different realm such as "the lower astral" or the entire astral... or such as what we call 4D (as in dimension which may be better described by the word, density). And these intelligences had their own form of "ladder climbing" such that a prospective initiate could achieve "freedom" from the prison of planet Earth? That those who did reach a certain "degree" would then be at a pinnacle of sorts where they could choose to remain at the top of the mountain (for however long that might be tolerated) or descend back the way they came (which might feel like spiritual suicide) or descend but on the other side of that mountain. Yes - a metaphor but bare with me.

It came to me at just before 3:30 AM this morning after having awoken from a sound sleep of at least 5 hours that - What if the 33rd degree represented this pinnacle?

What would it be like to earn the earthly Scottish Rite 33rd degree? That is the "famous one" all us conspiracy buffs love to rant about. How many of us would, if when young... if we had been invited into Masonry prior to us having any real knowledge or suspicions there may be more to it than simply being a club for men which perform strange rituals and do community service, how many of us would have leaped at the invitation? I probably would have.

But that is still the earthy version and it is the theory that Masonry is designed to identify and indoctrinate the true initiates. Designed to be a weeding out facility as there are few, true 33s.

OK so now then... one makes it to 33. The primary symbolic representation by the number 33 is that of a great teacher as well as that of one who sacrifices themselves for God. Interesting dilemma. Save the world (again) or move past 33. And thus perhaps this is why the "secret degrees" which are rumored to exist and are beyond 33.

So as I awoke in the middle of a nice, comfortable sleep, my mind found itself thinking of this number 33. I then thought about my massively increased psi experiences over the last 2 years (all done without any drugs or alcohol whatsoever which for me is important) and I suddenly saw this simple math - 3 + 3 = 6.

I then recalled Steve Richards explaining the esoteric meanings behind the numbers 1 being Spirit and 2 being duality and that 3 was Spirit descending into duality. I then saw a triangle pointing down (a 3) and a triangle pointing up (a 3) and saw what is now known as The Star of David. I then thought about the number 6 again and had the strangest feeling that a 33rd degree achieves a well opened 6th chakra which we also know is known as the third eye. If one looks at the symbols of the 6th chakra, one sees a triangle pointing down with an eye in the center.

So it then came to me that the triangle pointing down is the direction from the spiritual realm to the material realm and that the reverse of this symbol (which is the primary symbol we, the public, associate with the Illuminati) is the symbol we see on the US $1 bill. This is the material realm pointing to the spiritual realm. By laying one over the other as is done with the Star of David, one achieves a balance of these two directions (I guess).

So then I thought more about this 33rd degree and it came to me that it may be best to do one's best to move on from 33 lest one end up an example and again I am speaking through the metaphor of the supposed crucifixion of Jesus (stating supposed because some here hold the view Jesus survived the cross - and my intuition leans this way as well but that may also be because that is what I want to believe).

Anyways - the point is that I suddenly saw the number 34 in my mind's eye. And then I recalled just a day or so ago I "did the numbers" for the word "free."

f = 6

r = 18

e = 5

e = 5

add them up and you have 34.

So I concluded that the point which I seemed to be making with myself was that though one might achieve the 33rd degree via this hypothetical, other worldly masonry, it may be wise to move as quickly as one can to earning that 34th degree.

ADDED: Make sure the reader understands I am not speaking about earthly masonry (nor am I in any place to).

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Accounts from former Masons suggest that the "enlightenment" they were looking for was nowhere to be found.
What increased as their membership matured was the sense of corruption and owing favors.
Some returned to Christianity and couldn't even say the oaths anymore, couldn't stand hearing them.
Others say that the oaths and rituals of Masonry bind not only the initiate but also his offspring.
Meaning, an innocent child can have negative spiritual feedback due to meddling of older generations.
And in the Bible some sins cause a curse to span 7 generations of suffering/payback.

Why would anyone want to dig into something like that?
As time wears on, I realize, the only thing I envy about those people is that they control the court system.
They don't respect women's minds and they are backstabbers in spite of the oaths they take.

Read about "The Morgan Affair" and you might lose your stomach for Masonry.
If that doesn't work, just read about "The Magic Flute" and think about all the lies in the movie Amadeus.
Because I didn't quite capture from the film that Mozart was POISONED TO DEATH by his fellow Masons.

Poisoning and disease was apparently a favored means of getting rid of members in poor standing.
It was also apparently the primary means of depopulating the Native Americans.
Coming from one of the MOST Masonic countries on Earth, I must say, my respect is flagging.

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I personally think you are 100x better off studying spirituality on your own and with close friends/mentors.
FREE people who have not given blood oaths or cursed their children.

There are many amazing books out there to read. And you know what, even Freemasonic texts sometimes show up at the used stores.
So if you want to check out Masonry, I suggest starting with books. Then start trying to find films with references.
Be careful though -- you could end up being harassed if you keep writing about them.
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What happened to me was extremely weird/funny.
I lived in Seattle between 2007-2012. One day we just stopped getting phone calls.
This went on for a couple of days. Then we realized our phone number had changed.
We finally figured out our new last 4: 4400.
The next day I received a phone call. I picked up the telephone and said HELLO?
It sounded like a fairly young male African American man on the other end.
He said "Hello, This is the Masons calling". He asked for me by my FULL NAME (and I am a woman).
After I told him it was me, he asked me for money for the Shriners Parade.
I gave them a small amount because I was broke and felt guilty.

But after doing some more research I realized, it wasn't a great thing to give them money.
I enjoyed doing it, but here are some things to keep in mind:

~If you have a mental health diagnosis chances are they won't let you in
~criminal record whether or not it was just
~if you are a woman they won't let you in, regardless of intelligence or foresight
~etc.

(some of the above bulleted bit came from Duncan's Ritual of Freemasonry)

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Why on earth would someone want to join the Masons when they already belong to PA?
There are hidden forums here too you know ;)
I bet some of them are really cool.

p.s. Numerology is something you can study on your own or with friends.
It's very much like divination so be careful, not to drive yourself mad.




p.p.s. please read about famous arsons and poisonings in a new light. please read about the 1666 London fire and tell me it wasn't them. please read about how the Seattle folks treated the Chinese in the late 1800s and how Seattle burned the waterfront and tell me it wasn't THEM :(



p.p.p.s. for OBE's and dream walking experiences, go to Throne/Chariot Mystics -- not to the Masons... you must find the Merkabah!


This is how it works, really, you ask God to show you and sometimes he does:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Ezekiel%27s_vision.jpg

..and sometimes SHE does, lol

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/88/RWS_Tarot_02_High_Priestess.jpg/150px-RWS_Tarot_02_High_Priestess.jpg


Matthew 27:51
And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

(nothing is hidden from the true believer)


Ezekiel 11:1
Moreover the spirit lifted me up, and brought me unto the east gate of the LORD'S house, which looketh eastward: and behold at the door of the gate five and twenty men; among whom I saw Jaazaniah the son of Azur, and Pelatiah the son of Benaiah, princes of the people.

Then said he unto me, Son of man, these are the men that devise mischief, and give wicked counsel in this city:

Which say, It is not near; let us build houses: this city is the caldron, and we be the flesh.

Therefore prophesy against them, prophesy, O son of man.

http://dcsymbols.com/lodgefloor/lodgefloor.jpghttp://dcsymbols.com/lodgefloor/dome.jpg
http://stonehengenews.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/heel-stone.gif?w=300&h=216http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0405/nycsunset_tyson.jpg
http://www.vgms.org/images/WTC-cross.jpg

You know how some wise man once said a picture says a thousand words?

[Chester]

My points may have been missed, Tesla_WTC_Solution.

All I shared was an experience and several speculations. There is no "Earthly masonic" invitation that has been extended to me and frankly, I am most certain that I would never be invited. If earthly masonry is meant to form a hierarchy with control coming from a single source or being, a being which may not even be a physical human being, it is ceratin I would not fit in in any way.

If, however, at a deeper level of the sub conscious, there existed an "other worldly order" of masonry such that one might understand their symbols at a deeper, archetypal level through one's subconscious, then perhaps one might be accepted as it seems Manley Palmer Hall may have been accepted. I am unsure if folks here are aware, but Manley Hall did not climb the earthly masonic ladder. At some point he was made an honorary 33rd degree. There is no implication he made it beyond 33. One of my points is that to be a 33rd degree mason and to remain at that level may be... the kiss of death. Nothing that I am interested in now that I have been able to free myself of my own "messiah complex" (or at least I think I have).

So I hope I am making it quite clear I have no affiliation to the earthly Masons and I am certain I would be the last person on earth to be invited. From my spirit's view, I do not see the masons as good or bad because I do not buy into the us and them dynamic anymore at the level of my spirit. It was that dynamic which was destroying me. From the earthly view... the duality I live in and that we share, I do refer to an us and/or a them when I am in conversation with another who only sees that dynamic. Otherwise I would not be able to carry on conversations.

Just make sure it is understood that all I shared above was an experience and some conclusions I derived from that experience. Which... maybe correlates to what the earthly masonic organization of the Scottish Rite attempts to achieve for those who have been brought to the top of their mountain (symbolized by being given the 33rd degree ritual) but which at that point, one knows they may have joined an organization which they may never leave and which, if that organization calls upon them to perform some task, they pretty much have no choice but to do it.

I do not have any first hand knowledge this may be the case but I can speculate from the view of a Scottish Rite mason who has achieved the 33rd degree that if they then achieve the 34th, they are "in" and have no option but to remain "in."

Hopefully it is understood I am not promoting in any way this type of "government" but I am also not naive in that this may actually be the case we have upon much of Earth at this time.

The 34th degree and above may give the individual peace of mind in that as long as they do as their asked, they won't have any reason to be looking over their shoulder. To be asked to do something that is against one's conscience in situations such as this may feel like one has "sold their soul to the devil" (stated metaphorically). In time... I would assume one might get used to being this way and then one might cross that magic line where their heart-course is all but permanently set in stone - a course I believe leads to entropy.

And to be quite honest, those possibilities scare the hell out of me for those folks.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Well I am a bit confused, as usual, but good luck with that!

If it's not Masonic why call it Masonic?
Do you have a better term for the substance of your hypothesis?
because lots of people see the word "masonry" and think of the history behind the word.

Sort of like the Swastika.
This thread is like, "Hey I found a Nazi flag let's see if aliens come when I put it in my yard".

p.s. from what i can see the point of masonry is the material world.
the spiritual world is the "type" from which everything else is patterned.
So "masonic" or "being built" isn't the right term to apply to a pre-existing type.
If you know what I mean.

Plato thought that the spiritual forms were inherent and pre-existing regardless of what we see.
Aristotle thought that fate plays out only through the physical world we see.
I think you're looking for Plato, not Masons.

[Chester]

Well I am a bit confused, as usual, but good luck with that!

If it's not Masonic why call it Masonic?
Do you have a better term for the substance of your hypothesis?
because lots of people see the word "masonry" and think of the history behind the word.

Sort of like the Swastika.
This thread is like, "Hey I found a Nazi flag let's see if aliens come when I put it in my yard".

p.s. from what i can see the point of masonry is the material world.
the spiritual world is the "type" from which everything else is patterned.
So "masonic" or "being built" isn't the right term to apply to a pre-existing type.
If you know what I mean.

Plato thought that the spiritual forms were inherent and pre-existing regardless of what we see.
Aristotle thought that fate plays out only through the physical world we see.
I think you're looking for Plato, not Masons.

I clearly stated it may be "other worldly masonic" and was hoping that that would be understood such that conclusions made about earthly masonry would not influence one's ability to be open minded about "other worldly masonry."

And again, do not draw the conclusion that I am suggesting 'other worldly masonry. (my words) may be bad or good or anything else as I cannot know. I only shared my experience and the thoughts that came across.

So here now is some darker impressions which followed.

Amzer Zo once suggested (or else a post he made pointed to the suggestion that) the lovely chakra system may in fact be an energetic overlay which is part of the prison mechanism for our spirit/soul.

If one moves "up the chakra ladder" and is able to open well enough the 6th chakra (3 + 3 = 6) then one may have achieved a level of psi ability which provides one the opportunity to open up the 7th. Some students of this 7 chakra system and what is known as "the firing up of one's kundalini" might see this as an opportunity for one to "free" themselves of the prison overlay upon their spirit/soul.

My question would be... if I did free myself of this prison, is there another prison which surrounds this one within which I now may find myself?

And so I see myself at the doorstep of opening up this 7th chakra. May I have instead fallen into another trap just by entertaining the idea of the chakra system?

Now you may understand why I created this thread. To question... not to share opinion nor suggest what someone else's opinion should be.

I know there are many, many wonderful folk that also swear by and essentially revere the chakra system. I will never forget Amzer Zo's post and the implication it made. I have never stopped questioning whether the chakra system to begin with may have actually been meant as an imprisoning mechanism.

If it is actually a prison, perhaps "activating the kundalini" is a built in "freedom attainment mechanism." If that be the case, then to glorify this system sounds a bit counter-intuitive unless the individual participated in some way in finding themselves in this prison which is an intriguing possibility.

What I like to believe is that I am some innocent spirit that, somewhere along my eternal journey, fell for some trap which landed me here (in a reincarnative complex where I am constantly experiencing memory wipes), but how would I really know?

All this is is questions - questions cast out to the universe which includes readers so that some who may think they don't yet know enough may question as well.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Disorganization and complexity is also a prison, Justoneman!

I think you guys are making these things really complicated/scary/hard on yourselves.

Chakra system is a tool -- and have you ever hit your thumb with a hammer? yes?
We can be victims of tools even if meant well.

Our species is young -- as far as we know -- right?
So that means we don't know how to use all of our tools -- or we forgot some stuff.
That doesn't necessarily mean some higher power is out to leech from us, or that we're just worms in the celestial jar.

All I meant was that GROUPS of people can really mess you up if they stand for the wrong thing,
whereas spiritual journeys are best taken in the company of true friends.

Maybe I should just balance on this ball and slap my flippers together and say "great thread"?

[Chester]

Thanks Tesla_WTC_Solution. I prefer to chose the view you projected above. I have the lovely habit of always questioning. I also respect Amzer Zo and some of his considerations I take to heart and then consider them as well.

I would be lying if I did not say I wished to activate "fully" (or as best I can) my kundalini.

I attempted to pose the question, what if our prior, more natural state did not have the "chakra system" and that some third party placed it (and perhaps we agreed or were deceived to agree) with this "layover matrix?"

Regardless, I am in constant contact with an intelligence which communicates with me through my own internal conversation and via manifestations in my outer reality experience which are so, so, so far beyond realistic probability in appearing "randomly" that I feel comfortable in posing these questions.

I was just about to go find my sons' grandfather when I decided first to check and see if Spirit Wolf had posted his assessment of the Merry Christmas America 2013 doc and instead found a response by Agape. After reading her response, I made the following post -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69877-Miles-Johnston-on-20th-March-2014&p=816205&viewfull=1#post816205

After hitting submit, I chuckled when I saw the post number.

[Chester]

My question would be... if I did free myself of this prison, is there another prison which surrounds this one within which I now may find myself?

Here is the point of this statement... that I "see a prison." By wondering if another prison lay beyond these initial walls suggests something dark inside me may be "winning."

Agape might suggest that is the error I am making. If I were forced to bet, Which is true... is Earth a prison or something else? I would make my bet on "something else."

I might like to see it as "school."

Sadly though my track record (this life) is to be kicked out of every school I ever attended. Bummer.

[Chester]

Interestingly enough, Agape followed up with additional thoughts and since these dovetail a bit with my own "wonderings" I felt it ok to point to this post -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69877-Miles-Johnston-on-20th-March-2014&p=816257&viewfull=1#post816257

[The Castellan]

I just wanna know what they are hiding.