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ThePythonicCow
30th March 2014, 21:37
A couple of related headlines caught my attention.

Five days ago, in the Washington Times, Obama to kill Navy’s Tomahawk, Hellfire missile programs in budget decimation (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/25/obama-kill-navys-tomahawk-hellfire-missile-program/):

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President Barack Obama is seeking to abolish two highly successful missile programs that experts say have helped the U.S. Navy maintain military superiority for the past several decades.

The Tomahawk missile program—known as “the world’s most advanced cruise missile”—is set to be cut by $128 million under Obama’s fiscal year 2015 budget proposal and completely eliminated by fiscal year 2016, according to budget documents released by the Navy.

In addition to the monetary cuts to the program, the number of actual Tomahawk missiles acquired by the United States would drop significantly—from 196 last year to just 100 in 2015. The number will then drop to zero in 2016.

The Navy will also be forced to cancel its acquisition of the well-regarded and highly effective Hellfire missiles in 2015, according to Obama’s proposal.
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Then yesterday in the Want China Times (Taiwan), Putin gives green light to sale of S-400 missile system to China (http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20140329000166&cid=1101&MainCatID=11):

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Russia's president, Vladimir Putin, has given a green light to sell the country's newest S-400 air defense guided missile system to China, which Russian media claim will give Beijing an edge in the airspace of the Taiwan Strait and over islands in the East China Sea at the center of a dispute with Japan, reports the military news website of Huanqiu.com, the Chinese-language website of China's Global Times.

Beijing has been interested in acquiring the guided missile system since 2011. Two years ago, Russia talked with several countries interested in buying the system but was forced to suspend negotiations in order to ensure its supply to the Russian military, the general manager of a Russian national defense export company told Russian newspaper Kommersant in January this year. Export sales of the system may not begin until 2016.

...Though in what volume China wishes to acquire the S-400 system is unclear, Kommersant's source said China wants enough systems to equip two to four battalions. The People's Liberation Army has already obtained an air defense guided missile system and another command system from Russian and deployed them in the defense of Beijing and Shanghai, according to the paper, which estimated that the country would be able to control the airspace over Taiwan and the disputed Diaoyutai islands (Diaoyu to China, Senkaku to Japan).
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It would seem that on many fronts, including gold, rare earth minerals, gas and oil, manufacturing, national solvency, regional dominance, space technology, and now military and naval dominance, the balance of power is shifting from the United States towards Asia, in particular Russia and China.

It remains, in my view, to be seen whether this is

a shift in power centers, as has happened many times in the past (see my post What I see coming for the next few years -- Post #75 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69322-What-I-see-coming-for-the-next-few-years.&p=815780&viewfull=1#post815780)) or
a deliberate controlled demolition of the "dominant nation state" organization of world power, in favor an explicitly centralized world authority (and in particular world monetary system.)

My money is on the second choice above.

ghostrider
30th March 2014, 21:51
Russia and China will attack America , Obama is making a friend of Russia to save his behind when it all goes south ... the tomahawk can go 3 to 400 miles inland fired from a ship , it puts our soldiers closer to harms way without that weapon in the toolkit ... interesting the Obama administration talks of downgrading missiles while the enemy talks of upgrading missile defense ... They are leaving the United States open to attack , they just fired nine commanders of nuclear bases/sites , every move made leave us more and more open , not to mention printing money killing the value of our petro-dollar ... anyhoo good find paul ...

ThePythonicCow
30th March 2014, 22:02
Russia and China will attack America
I don't think so ... not in a major open attack at least.

The bastards in power on this planet don't, in my view, intend to destroy life on this planet (though they sure don't mind harming it.)

Rather I anticipate that this is part of a controlled demolition of the dominant nation state (most recently, the US) form of world control, in a transition to a one world order and monetary system. Russia and China are being allowed to become strong enough to corner the US into a sufficient collapse that Americans, like citizens of so many already devastated nations in the past, will accept (well, at least tolerate or be too weak to successfully resist) an overt replacement of "their" national government with something else.

See further my above linked post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69322-What-I-see-coming-for-the-next-few-years.&p=815780&viewfull=1#post815780).

andrewgreen
31st March 2014, 00:01
How about the black budget. If stories are to be believed, the space age technologies developed by the US make current known technologies look stone age. What your saying could be true but there is also a chance that greater technologies may be brought to the fore? Or a deliberate attempt to look weak when you are strong as in 'the art of war'? for what reason I don't know.
We're certainly in a time of change and the next couple of years will be very interesting.

ThePythonicCow
31st March 2014, 01:09
How about the black budget. If stories are to be believed, the space age technologies developed by the US make current known technologies look stone age. What your saying could be true but there is also a chance that greater technologies may be brought to the fore?
For so long as the public perception of global power is that it is spread between various nations, such advanced science will remain secret.

Such advanced science will allowed to become more visible once

global power resides in the hands of one trusted (notice I did not say trustworthy) global government,
with its associated world monetary system, based perhaps on politically generated money, rather than bank debt generated money, as I describe here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69322-What-I-see-coming-for-the-next-few-years.&p=816348&viewfull=1#post816348), and
with its associated existential threat to humanity, be it global climate disaster, major Yellowstone eruption, galactic superwave or (probably fake) alien invasion.

ThePythonicCow
31st March 2014, 01:16
It would seem that on many fronts, including gold, rare earth minerals, gas and oil, manufacturing, national solvency, regional dominance, space technology, and now military and naval dominance, the balance of power is shifting from the United States towards Asia, in particular Russia and China.
Hah - another step in space dominance. In addition to the rather obvious dominance that Russia currently displays in providing the only means of transport to and from the International Space Station, since the US Space Shuttle program was terminated, we now have China announcing a series of spy satellites sufficient to challenge US dominance in that arena: China mulls global satellite surveillance after flight 370 riddle (South China Morning Post) (http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1460652/china-mulls-global-satellite-surveillance-after-flight-370-riddle):

China is considering massively increasing its network of surveillance and observation satellites so it can monitor the entire planet, scientists working on the project said.

The government is mulling building more than 50 orbiting probes, which Chinese researchers said would make the nation's satellite surveillance network on par with, or even larger than, that of the United States.

Frustration with the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft over the past three weeks had led the project to win strong backing from decision makers in Beijing, the researchers said.

Hervé
31st March 2014, 01:28
There we go:


Soooo...

That was/is a BIG problem, right?

And then, there's that BIG international reaction, right?

So, now, well... I am waiting for it....

That's from the thread on the disappeared flight... and China getting more satellite surveillance is probably not the only "solution" that have been waiting on shelves...

Thanks Paul!

Octavusprime
31st March 2014, 02:57
I'm sure the US has some really intense technology in their back pocket. We all know that what is seen by the public is at least 20 something years behind what is actually developed. The near exponential growth of technology in recent years means that they are likely much farther ahead than most people could imagine.

sirdipswitch
31st March 2014, 15:15
I'm sure the US has some really intense technology in their back pocket. We all know that what is seen by the public is at least 20 something years behind what is actually developed. The near exponential growth of technology in recent years means that they are likely much farther ahead than most people could imagine.


Yep! Yer right on the money with this one!! Why give up on "rockets"? Cuz we got bigger, badder, and far, far better, to replace it. yep! Energy beam weapons that are "satalite" based, that can take out an "individual, a single vehicle, or a World Trade Center", with the simple push of a button. We have anti-gravity, "Ships," armed with these weapons that far surpass any conventional aircraft. The U.S. Military Arsenal, is Lightyears, ahead of anything the rest of the world has to offer. Atomic bomb? Childs Toy! The U.S. can take out their atomic missles... from space... before they even leave the launch pad.

I remember many years ago, an air show that I went to, for the very "First" Public Unveiling of the 117 Stealth Fighter. The information plac said they had built it "25" "YEARS", previously. 25 years!!! 25 years before it was ever made "Public". WE, the U.S., has had "anti-gravity" technology since the FIFTIES. The reality show, "Star Trek", is our real space program. (Remember when they showed us on the "New" Enterprise, their "Touch Screen" computers?)

One reason ETs' come here, is because they are "baffled" as to how come we are so advanced in Space, and yet so very "backward", on our home world. yep! And, those in control of our "real" space program, and this rock we call earth, have no ties, to the Rothchild, world bank empire. none.

Go do an "Astral" search, of Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Vandenberg Air Force Base, or Area 51, and you will discover, who is in control of this rock. (WARNING - You had best know who, and what you are, before attemting to proceed past the Astral Sentry's.) yep! chuckle chuckle.:wizard: