World Banker Karen Hudes Says “Second Species” Controls Earth

[michaelv]

World Banker Says “Second Species” Controls Earth


“The group that’s behind the network of control, one of these groups are hominids, they’re not human beings. They are very smart, they are not creative, they are mathematical. They had a much stronger force in the earlier ice-age. They have elongated skulls, they may produce offspring in mating with female humans, but that offspring is not fertile. We live in a world of secret societies, and secrets, and the information that ought to be public is not public.”
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These are some of the shocking statements that came from Karen Hudes shortly after gaining attention for being a credible world bank whistleblower, stating that the world is in a “currency war,” that the Federal Reserve continues to print money and if they keep going at the pace they are on, other countries will no longer accept this currency.

Much of what she has to say corroborates with ancient historical and archeological evidence, as well as modern day disclosures of other strange phenomenon, like UFOs, secret societies and more. For someone like this to gain credibility as a World Bank whistle-blower and then all of a sudden make a comment like this is quite shocking.

There is an enormous amount of growing evidence out there to suggest we are not alone, and that we have indeed been visited. In the above interview with Red Ice Radio, Karen goes on to say:

“These countries are not monolithic, there are forces fighting the corruption and there are forces that have totally been co-opted, and the way they act is treasonous to the people in those countries. The group that’s behind the network of control are the Jesuits, and there are also some groups behind them.. not human beings.”

Karen held her senior position at the World Bank for twelve years before deciding to blow the whistle on the World Bank and corruption within it. She studies law at Yale Law School and economics at the University of Amsterdam. She worked in the US Export Import Bank of the US from 1980-1985 and in the Legal Department of the World Bank from 1986-2007. She established the Non-Governmental Organization Committee of the International Law Section of the American Bar Association and the Committee on Multilateralism and the Accountability of International Organizations of the American Branch of the International Law Association.
While she was working at the World Bank, she happened to uncover a lot of corrupt activities. It got to the stage where she could no longer keep quiet about the corruption and she followed the proper procedures to report her findings. She first went to the World Banks Evaluation Department and country directors, and then to the U.S. Treasury Department and even the United States Congress.

All of her requests were ignored, and in some cases, completely covered up.

So she went public.

Over the last few years she got involved with a group of whistle blowers and started connecting the dots. She found that the corruption wasn’t just at the World Bank, but was woven throughout the fabric of the entirety of the global financial and political systems. She has labelled the situation a ‘global conspiracy’.

Twenty three minutes into this interview is when Karen Hudes starts discussing the information surrounding what may relate to Courtney Brown’s Announcement.
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“Who is calling the shots at the Vatican. I am assuming it’s not the pope.”

Karen Hudes: “Well, there is something called the black pope but that’s umm… that’s not the ultimate reason why we have been in the fix that we are in. What we have found out, and this sounds implausible, but it’s absolutely correct, the fact that its been held in secret doesn’t mean that it’s not true. It is true.

There is a second species on this planet.

They are not extraterrestrial, they are very much with us, they made maps in the previous ice age. The remnants of their civilizations are all over the place. A lot of times along the coast its submerged because the umm… amount, the sea level has gone up by 400 meters, but this group has large brains. They are very distinct from homo sapiens.

Charles Hapgood’s book ‘Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings’, Graham Hancock’s book ‘Fingerprints of the Gods’ and Rand & Rose Flem-Ath’s book ‘When the Sky Fell: In search of Atlantis’ all mention the Peri Reis maps which depict the Antarctic perfectly mapped, ice free, which could make the maps as old as 11,000BC (I own all of these books)

Their DNA is so different that if the two species mated, their offspring would be infertile and we know this because their DNA was just tested. They have skulls all over the place because they have been on Earth with us, but after the ice age there weren’t that many of them. And so they have been hiding and one of the places they have been hiding is in the Vatican. That’s why the Vatican are wearing those miters. It turns out thats also what the high priests wore in the early beginnings of Judaism.
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Moses was actually Akhenaten who was a Pharaoh. They know this because the papaira which was taken from one of the pyramids talks about this. The people that were doing archaeology in Israel know this, and the reason is that not only Homo Capensis trying to keep human beings under control by divide and conquer, using our money system, they have also been doing this with our religion.
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Organised religion. Trying to get human beings to hate people of different faiths so that they will kill each other off, so that the people in the back, manipulating human beings, could… what can I say, could use us like cattle. That’s what’s been going on through our history.” Future Money Trends: “Okay Karen, your an attorney, you worked for the World Bank for 20 years, what your saying is on the fringe of conspiracy, it sounds crazy so… I mean obviously you have had to come to terms with this. What have you seen that has made you so confident to actually say this stuff publicly?”
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A bas relief of the Pharaoh Akhenaten and wife Queen Nefertiti with their three children, all with elongated craniums. Source

Karen Hudes: “Because they have been going to meetings. I sent an email to a fellow in Portugal and the next day he went to a meeting of Bankers and he sent me back an email saying that at that meeting there had been a big skulled individual with bright blue eyes. Another person in touch with Doctor Edward Spencer, who is a retired neurologist, he’s the one who started telling me about this. A friend of his was in Egypt and saw these homo (cepranensis?) running around. They are umm… their skulls are all over the planet. It’s not a conspiracy theory. Just because this group likes to hide and likes to accuse people of having conspiracy theories doesn’t make these facts (raw?), they are facts.”

The whole interview is worth listening to if you have the time, as the other areas that Karen Hudes discusses actually do make a lot of sense, even though for some people they may seem a bit extreme or very ‘out there’. As with any source, a good way to examine the credibility is to look at all areas being discussed and search out if there are truths that we may already understand or accept. At the end of this article I will list the other subjects Karen Hudes brings up.

I will now again mention the webbot forecast from Clif High’s webbot report ‘The Shape of Things to Come, Volume 1, issue 1‘ from September the 30th 2012, as this information that Karen Hudes discusses actually resembles the webbot prediction in a stronger way than others.

There is a period of time predicted where there are major food shortages in the US which causes possible rioting or protest situations. What causes the shortages? Clif mentions that the cause could be related to a number of elements such as a economic collapse, false flag events, strange things in the sky that seem invisible or cloaked and extraterrestrial activity.

During this period of time documents are released on the internet. Now, these documents may have been found underground as the report is suggesting, or may simply be released during a period of time in relation to the above conditions.

These documents are said to show strong evidence towards humanity being a genetic subject and will change the way we look at human history and its evolution. The evidence will show that extraterrestrials have been involved with the creation of life on earth. This information is based upon past civilisations as well, in connection to that. This in turn will cause a breakdown in the various religions around the world over the weeks after the information has been released.

Karen Hudes also says this,

“I have gone to something called the International Organization of Supreme Audit Institutions and I have been collaborating with all the whistle blowers of the world… and we’re bound and determined that we’re going to get this corruption taken care of.”
This group of whistle-blowers that she is a part of, perhaps Courtney Brown is also part of this group and that they are planning to make a combined release of evidence and information towards not only what Karen Hudes has mentioned within this interview, but also other information. The recent DNA results on the Paracas elongated skulls would be a good addition to any evidence presented.

With relation to the rest of the interview with Future Money Trends, Karen Hudes also goes into the following topics,

“We have solved the mystery as to why humanity has had nothing but wars and terrible problems… why we’re always at each other’s throats.” …

“A very accurate… it’s called the power transition model… it uses political science and computer modelings… that model is 90% to 95% accurate… and it is predicting that the corruption that has been plaguing the world, it turns out for millennia, is coming down… a lot of people call that the Matrix, a lot of people call that the banksters… it’s actually much, much more. The fact that he [NSA Whistle Blower Edward Snowden] is getting coverage on the mainstream media should be letting people know that he is part of the Matrix, because the mainstream media is owned and controlled by the same group that are the owners of the Bank for International Settlement… that is a scam.” …

“People are supposed to have currency that’s issued by their governments directly which doesn’t carry interest. That is what John F. Kennedy was trying to do and the reason why he was assassinated. That’s what Lincoln was doing with the Greenbacks… that’s why Lincoln was assassinated…” …$

“The banks that are Too-Big-To-Fail… that’s really one banking cartel… and that group is going around buying up politicians… there are secret societies like the Knights of Malta and they’re promoting people and making sure that those people become the gatekeepers.

[DNA]

Charles Forte in his 1919 “book of the damned” agreed very much with what is being stated above.

In the below excerpt Charles Forte says that not only is the earth owned, but the only reason that academics, politicians and institutions could be so complicit in the cover up, is if indeed there are agents of the aliens, provocateurs so to speak, on earth doing the alien’s bidding.



I suspect that, after all, we're useful—that among
contesting claimants, adjustment has occurred, or that
something now has a legal right to us, by force, or by
having paid out analogues of beads for us to former,
more primitive, owners of us—that all of this has been
known, perhaps for ages, to certain ones upon this
earth, a cult or order, members of which function like
bellwethers to the rest of us, or as superior slaves or
overseers, directing us in accordance with instructions
received—from Somewhere else—in our mysterious
usefulness.

[kemo]

I know this is highly selective but "that's why the Vatican are wearing those mitres" i.e. to cover their big heads. That's the college of cardinals I think and one of them actually isn't wearing a mitre and looks perfectly normal - if you call going around in drag normal. The thing is - they don't wear them all the time! That's just preposterous and makes me wonder what else this person says makes sense. Maybe she should stick to the bankers theme. That's the trouble with this joining dots business. I am willing to believe that the sculls may be of ET origin but this hypothesis of a second species seems of a piece with fears of 'reds under the beds' and such. If such species existed well they'd have to be very secretive because they would rather stand out in a crowd. This seems a very recent twist as I've never seen any mention of such individuals before.

[Eram]

I think it is wonderful that another person blows the whistle and in this case, in a very interesting field of work.

Sadly, I am not so happy in the way that she chooses to do it.
She is a member here (though she hasn't logged in for 4,5 months) so I will choose my words with extra care.

Her story would be incredibly valuable if she had stuck to what she actually knows from personal experience and observation in the banking world. She saw documents, witnessed the mechanics at work and talked to the people who are calling the shots.
All that is more then enough to blow the lid of the secrecy that hangs around this world of banking.
If she would have chosen to assemble as much as proof that she could get her hands on and use it to substantiate her claims about the actual, factual dealings that she encountered while working at the world bank, then her testimonies would be of great value.

Instead, she has chosen to mix facts with "hear say" and "connecting the dots", which is very damaging for her credibility.
On more then one account, she told "conspiracy theory" material as a matter of fact and it turned out to be wrong.

I don't know what to say about it actually.
It's such a waste.

From a woman that worked at the level that she did, I'd expect much more discernment.

[superconsciousness]

As a general rule, unbalanced personalities who are attracted to the spotlight express a greater desire to be the center of attention than to embody a balanced expression of honesty and truthfulness in intent. With that said, don't judge the message by the messenger. The message is that ET is the enemy, not the parallel civilization or the elite who conceal the existence of the parallel civilization. The unfolding "loss of faith in religion" is designed by the elite to create a void within the mindset of the human collective that will be filled with precisely that which the elite will present to the masses at a time and in a manner of their choosing, in order to further centralize control.

Thinking creates destiny...always has, always will. The egocentric disposition of various messengers 'on the circuit' is inadvertently setting a trap on behalf of the elite, a la "The Great Deception".

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The Great Deception is that ETs are the enemy. The beings/technologies interacting with the Romaneks originate within the parallel civilization - the HUMAN parallel civilization.

The Courtney Brown thread is another example of deception by way of redirection:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67668-Courtney-Brown-Announcement-for-February--now-March--2014&highlight=courtney+brown

Mind you, this is not the conscious intent of the messengers, but the end state shall be the same, nevertheless. Fortunately, the elite do not have enough time to fully implement their plan before cosmological events and Earth changes realign the thinking of the human collective at the end of this transitory period. If you are looking for concrete proof, look up to Father Sky and look down to Mother Earth, and most importantly, LOOK WITHIN...it is there you shall find all the proof you need to see things as they are, in order to know what to do and what not to do.

My experiences and beliefs suggest that the Red Star Kachina shall precede the 'arrival of Superconsciousness', all of which shall follow The Great Deception once the elitists/occultists/Royals have had their 15 minutes of fame and glory in the spotlight of Universe...so yeah, we're in for a bumpy ride. However, there is no other way to manifest Superconsciousness on a global scale other than to create the ascension process on a global scale, similar to how the Great Pyramid was reprogrammed for initiates to experience ascension. The Queen's chamber was reprogrammed for ascension, to be activated by initiates by sound; once activated, an initiate simply walks through the conscious darkness region of the chamber before making it to the other side where a manifestation of Superconsciousness resides. One of the Avalon forum members completed this process successfully decades ago (it's not me...).

Everyone will experience a similar process over the next several years, only instead of the entire psychodrama lasting about an hour, it will take several years so that as many people as possible become enlightened. Within Dr. J.J. Hurtak's book, "The Keys of Enoch", one will find a blank page. Your mind must become likened unto this blank page to successfully traverse this transitory period on planet Earth with sanity intact...it won't be easy, but it will be worth it.

[superconsciousness]

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What is transpiring today is a derivation of the plan outlined by Carol Rosin.

ETs are not the enemy...ignorance and fear are our only enemies perpetuated by attachments to externalities.

REMEMBER, THE NAME OF THE GAME IS CONTROL.

[sheme]

If ET was our enemy -we would all be dead.

[AngelArmy]

If ET was our enemy -we would all be dead.

If ET was our friend we would be free

[blufire]

If ET was our enemy -we would all be dead.

If ET was our friend we would be free

We are free and ET has no bearing on this freedom.

This is not a prison planet folks. . . . The sooner we can eliminate this absurd meme the sooner we can move forward.

Also ET is neither a friend or enemy.

[andrewgreen]

I think it is wonderful that another person blows the whistle and in this case, in a very interesting field of work.

Sadly, I am not so happy in the way that she chooses to do it.
She is a member here (though she hasn't logged in for 4,5 months) so I will choose my words with extra care.

Her story would be incredibly valuable if she had stuck to what she actually knows from personal experience and observation in the banking world. She saw documents, witnessed the mechanics at work and talked to the people who are calling the shots.
All that is more then enough to blow the lid of the secrecy that hangs around this world of banking.
If she would have chosen to assemble as much as proof that she could get her hands on and use it to substantiate her claims about the actual, factual dealings that she encountered while working at the world bank, then her testimonies would be of great value.

Instead, she has chosen to mix facts with "hear say" and "connecting the dots", which is very damaging for her credibility.
On more then one account, she told "conspiracy theory" material as a matter of fact and it turned out to be wrong.

I don't know what to say about it actually.
It's such a waste.

From a woman that worked at the level that she did, I'd expect much more discernment.

I thought the same, there is enough people connecting dots and talking about out there things, its almost as if she has deliberately discredited herself to the mainstream.

[Timewaster]

If ET was our enemy -we would all be dead.

If ET was our friend we would be free

We are free and ET has no bearing on this freedom.

This is not a prison planet folks. . . . The sooner we can eliminate this absurd meme the sooner we can move forward.

Also ET is neither a friend or enemy.



Tell that to the Millions of people, who's lives have been affected negatively by these negative entities/Greys/Reptoids!!!

[The Castellan]

If ET was our enemy -we would all be dead.

If ET was our friend we would be free

We are free and ET has no bearing on this freedom.

This is not a prison planet folks. . . . The sooner we can eliminate this absurd meme the sooner we can move forward.

Also ET is neither a friend or enemy.
~Looks left and right~
Looks like a prison to me.

[Limor Wolf]

If ET was our enemy -we would all be dead.

Hi Sheme, not necessarily :)

I believe it is us humans that are our own worse enemies as we continue to think and judge in terms of 'good' and 'evil' and 'the enemy', and on the other hand we sometimes give too much credit to our neighbors out there, especially when hardwired evidence shows that something else is happening, this is the radicalism of both ends, the duality in thinking. Between getting us killed or being the human species 'saviours' there is a lot of grey shades and some pastel colors, and there is a battle of control going on above our heads as we speak, what we hear on the news and even the interpretation of the alternative media is just the translation of a much wider situation.

The way to control humans is via their mind, there is no need for some physical weapons in order to be on top of the game here, this method which is already being applied is easy enough to do with a race who does not master any form of telepathy and use strange jumble of words and sounds to communicate, and who also resides in the third dimension, therefore is limited. Taking all of this into account we ought to be care-full but not unfriendly in our outworldly relations.

Sure, we are not dead, but we are also not informed and we (by 'we' I mean the citizens) are unfortunately not represented to our best interest in any way, we are currently but a commodity being traded between the ET/ED species involved, it is enough to say that our own considerations must be taken from a much wider perspective which includes the political, the spirit and the Science. When ET's are looking from outside towards planet earth, what do you think they see? do they consider the human government as this planet's representative? do they consider the reptilian species that controls earth and what type of relations do they have with it? do they see the citizens? and citizens of which continent will that be? is it possible to put all of us in one homogeneous group? Is it possible to put all ET's in one such group? I think certainly not - because, we are simply not informed or united enough, yet.. and we can not be sure at this point with whom and what we are dealing with. I will go with Bluefire's approach that- 'ET is neither a friend or enemy', a 'friend' is better a choice, but a true friendship takes time to form and what we need here is a true friendship. Meanwhile we throw hypotheses into the air of attitudes we must have been fed with. Earth is apparently a big and unique experiment and life outthere is a big fusion, just as we are here (no wonder) and hopefully we are all going towards growth and development that will leave no one outside, what it will hopefully leave outside is the 'all are good', 'all are bad' terminology and state of mind

Cheers ~

Limor

[The Castellan]

If ET was our enemy -we would all be dead.

Hi Sheme, not necessarily :)

I believe it is us humans that are our own worse enemies as we continue to think and judge in terms of 'good' and 'evil' and 'the enemy', and on the other hand we sometimes give too much credit to our neighbors, especially when hardwired evidence shows something else is happening, this is the radicalism of both ends, the duality in thinking. Between getting us killed or being the human species 'saviours' there is a lot of grey shades and some pastel colors, and there is a battle of control going on above our heads as we speak, what we hear on the news and even the interpretation of the alternative media is just the translation of a much wider situation.

The way to control humans is via the mind, there is no need in some primitive weapons to be on top of the game here, this method which is already being applied is easy enough to do with a race which does not master any form of telepathy and use strange jumble of words and sounds to communicate, and who also resides in the third dimension, therefore limites. Then we ought to be care-full.

We are not dead, but we are also not informed and we (by 'we' I mean the citizens) are unfortunately not represented to our best interest in any way, we are currently but a commodity being traded between the ET/ED species involved, it is enough to say that our own considerations must be taken from a wider perspective which includes the political, the spirit and the Science. When ET's are looking from outside towards planet earth, what do you think they see? do they consider the government as the planet's representative? do they consider the reptilian species that controls earth and what type of relations do they have with it? do they see the citizens? and citizens of which continent will that be? is it possible to put all of us in one homogeneous group? Is it possible to put all ET's in one such group? Certainly not - because, we are simply not informed or united enough.. and we can not be sure at this point with who and what we are dealing with. I will go with Bluefire's approach that- 'ET is neither a friend or enemy' , a 'friend' is better choice, but true friendship takes time to form and what we need here is a true friendship. Meanwhile we throw hypotheses into the air of attitudes we must have been fed with. Earth is apparently a big and unique experiment and life outthere is a big fusion, just as we are here (no wonder) and hopefully we are all going towards growth and development that will leave no one outside, what it will leave outside is the 'all are good', 'all are bad' terminology and state of mind

Cheers ~

Limor
All the more reason I want OFF the Earth. I am sooo tired of being member of a 'special' species, being lumped here, while all the other species out there get to zip about the cosmos, we not knowing wonders lay out there...just having more questions than answers, which is never good to me.

[Robin]

If ET was our enemy -we would all be dead.

If ET was our friend we would be free

We are free and ET has no bearing on this freedom.

This is not a prison planet folks. . . . The sooner we can eliminate this absurd meme the sooner we can move forward.

Also ET is neither a friend or enemy.

I must agree with blufire. Every sentient being is naturally a free, sovereign being. When a sentient being loses full meaning on what it means to be free and sovereign and subjects oneself to subservience by giving away their power, they will be a slave. Likewise, if one humanity on a planet gives up its collective sovereignty, they will turn the planet into a temporary Prison Planet. But this is only temporary, as the situation cannot last forever. Therefore, I think the term "Prison Planet" is a misnomer of the situation. Earth is not a Prison Planet, but rather a planet that is currently being used as a Prison Planet.

Also, no individual/group of beings acts out of full selfless motives. Even advanced races that are compassionate towards humanity assist in ways only to level the playing field...out of compassion. This does not necessarily mean that they are friends to us. Many of them are assisting humanity because of their own motives, i.e. because they do not like the Draco Reptilians and their race is at war with them. By assisting us, they are really acting somewhat selfishly in that their true motive is to help themselves.

Humanity must take back its own power, regardless of any ET race affiliation.

[Limor Wolf]

If ET was our enemy -we would all be dead.

Hi Sheme, not necessarily :)

I believe it is us humans that are our own worse enemies as we continue to think and judge in terms of 'good' and 'evil' and 'the enemy', and on the other hand we sometimes give too much credit to our neighbors, especially when hardwired evidence shows something else is happening, this is the radicalism of both ends, the duality in thinking. Between getting us killed or being the human species 'saviours' there is a lot of grey shades and some pastel colors, and there is a battle of control going on above our heads as we speak, what we hear on the news and even the interpretation of the alternative media is just the translation of a much wider situation.

The way to control humans is via the mind, there is no need in some primitive weapons to be on top of the game here, this method which is already being applied is easy enough to do with a race which does not master any form of telepathy and use strange jumble of words and sounds to communicate, and who also resides in the third dimension, therefore limites. Then we ought to be care-full.

We are not dead, but we are also not informed and we (by 'we' I mean the citizens) are unfortunately not represented to our best interest in any way, we are currently but a commodity being traded between the ET/ED species involved, it is enough to say that our own considerations must be taken from a wider perspective which includes the political, the spirit and the Science. When ET's are looking from outside towards planet earth, what do you think they see? do they consider the government as the planet's representative? do they consider the reptilian species that controls earth and what type of relations do they have with it? do they see the citizens? and citizens of which continent will that be? is it possible to put all of us in one homogeneous group? Is it possible to put all ET's in one such group? Certainly not - because, we are simply not informed or united enough.. and we can not be sure at this point with who and what we are dealing with. I will go with Bluefire's approach that- 'ET is neither a friend or enemy' , a 'friend' is better choice, but true friendship takes time to form and what we need here is a true friendship. Meanwhile we throw hypotheses into the air of attitudes we must have been fed with. Earth is apparently a big and unique experiment and life outthere is a big fusion, just as we are here (no wonder) and hopefully we are all going towards growth and development that will leave no one outside, what it will leave outside is the 'all are good', 'all are bad' terminology and state of mind

Cheers ~

Limor
All the more reason I want OFF the Earth. I am sooo tired of being member of a 'special' species, being lumped here, while all the other species out there get to zip about the cosmos, we not knowing wonders lay out there...just having more questions than answers, which is never good to me.

You do seem sad in your Avatar, The castellan, but if you figure that 'all the species out there' who zip about the cosmos don't themselves have more questions than answers than the illusion of 'the gods' is still very much working. The place that has no questions at all is a place of void, the way I see it, the questions are part of this incredible and beautiful Journey of our beingness which defines our existance, questions may change a little here and there but eventually we all seem to be a piece of the same puzzle and we need each other - a body of grandeur and inteligence that seeks unification, only at this time we are trying to find out how to put everything together, we have parts of the hand and the foot, but the essence is still a mystery :) And think how much patience there must be for those who are waiting for us to advance for such a long time

I feel there is no equal to this spiritual cosmic voyage, I hope at least this part may be of value to you as well as a source of enjoyment and wonder

Take care ~

Limor

[Wind]

Also, no individual/group of beings acts out of full selfless motives. Even advanced races that are compassionate towards humanity assist in ways only to level the playing field...out of compassion. This does not necessarily mean that they are friends to us. Many of them are assisting humanity because of their own motives, i.e. because they do not like the Draco Reptilians and their race is at war with them. By assisting us, they are really acting somewhat selfishly in that their true motive is to help themselves.

Humanity must take back its own power, regardless of any ET race affiliation.

As usual, well said Sam. I would like to add that some of the extradimensional benevolent races out there are so advanced spiritually that we barely could understand the way they view everything. We only can see a really smart part of the light spectrum. They have reached the state where they understand that we all truly are one. By serving others they understand that they are helping themselves, because in the end all that exists is just one living entity. Some like to call it God and others choose something else. Why would you not want to help yourself or why would you like to abuse yourself? You would do that only when you are out of alignment and surely some races and entities are. Humanity has been way out of alignment for tends of thousands of millenias, but not all of it has been it's own fault.

By healing the collective wound we will also raise ourselves to the level spiritually where we cannot be abused any longer, but it takes lots of work and responsibility. It means that we have to face ourselves and our collective unhealed aspects. Until we learn the lesson the game of life just keeps on going.

As David Icke says it: "human race get off your knees"!

[MorningFox]

I know this is highly selective but "that's why the Vatican are wearing those mitres" i.e. to cover their big heads. That's the college of cardinals I think and one of them actually isn't wearing a mitre and looks perfectly normal - if you call going around in drag normal. The thing is - they don't wear them all the time! That's just preposterous and makes me wonder what else this person says makes sense.

I haven't watched the video yet but in the description it seems she didn't suggest for a minute that they're all Homo Capensis, rather that that's where the tradition of wearing that shaped headdress comes from originally...

I could be wrong.

Please try to avoid trying to discredit someone due to making (possibly false) assumptions on one extremely small and inconsequential facet of the whole picture.

[TargeT]

I know this is highly selective but "that's why the Vatican are wearing those mitres" i.e. to cover their big heads. That's the college of cardinals I think and one of them actually isn't wearing a mitre and looks perfectly normal - if you call going around in drag normal. The thing is - they don't wear them all the time! That's just preposterous and makes me wonder what else this person says makes sense. Maybe she should stick to the bankers theme. That's the trouble with this joining dots business. I am willing to believe that the sculls may be of ET origin but this hypothesis of a second species seems of a piece with fears of 'reds under the beds' and such. If such species existed well they'd have to be very secretive because they would rather stand out in a crowd. This seems a very recent twist as I've never seen any mention of such individuals before.



Just to play devils advocate:

I think she's saying that the hats are there for a reason, not that every single person wearing them is a "big head" (or cone head?) but that it is convenient head gear should one or two individuals need to hide an abnormally shaped head, or perhaps it's a tradition based on something from the past that had a similar shape...


and you certainly have seen mention of these types of individuals before... in fact it's been a part of popular culture on and off quite often.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Coneheads_Poster.jpg


certain tribes of indians used to strap boards to the heads of their infants to reshape their heads into a more "cone" like shape... probably in imitation of something...

[The Castellan]

If ET was our enemy -we would all be dead.

Hi Sheme, not necessarily :)

I believe it is us humans that are our own worse enemies as we continue to think and judge in terms of 'good' and 'evil' and 'the enemy', and on the other hand we sometimes give too much credit to our neighbors, especially when hardwired evidence shows something else is happening, this is the radicalism of both ends, the duality in thinking. Between getting us killed or being the human species 'saviours' there is a lot of grey shades and some pastel colors, and there is a battle of control going on above our heads as we speak, what we hear on the news and even the interpretation of the alternative media is just the translation of a much wider situation.

The way to control humans is via the mind, there is no need in some primitive weapons to be on top of the game here, this method which is already being applied is easy enough to do with a race which does not master any form of telepathy and use strange jumble of words and sounds to communicate, and who also resides in the third dimension, therefore limites. Then we ought to be care-full.

We are not dead, but we are also not informed and we (by 'we' I mean the citizens) are unfortunately not represented to our best interest in any way, we are currently but a commodity being traded between the ET/ED species involved, it is enough to say that our own considerations must be taken from a wider perspective which includes the political, the spirit and the Science. When ET's are looking from outside towards planet earth, what do you think they see? do they consider the government as the planet's representative? do they consider the reptilian species that controls earth and what type of relations do they have with it? do they see the citizens? and citizens of which continent will that be? is it possible to put all of us in one homogeneous group? Is it possible to put all ET's in one such group? Certainly not - because, we are simply not informed or united enough.. and we can not be sure at this point with who and what we are dealing with. I will go with Bluefire's approach that- 'ET is neither a friend or enemy' , a 'friend' is better choice, but true friendship takes time to form and what we need here is a true friendship. Meanwhile we throw hypotheses into the air of attitudes we must have been fed with. Earth is apparently a big and unique experiment and life outthere is a big fusion, just as we are here (no wonder) and hopefully we are all going towards growth and development that will leave no one outside, what it will leave outside is the 'all are good', 'all are bad' terminology and state of mind

Cheers ~

Limor
All the more reason I want OFF the Earth. I am sooo tired of being member of a 'special' species, being lumped here, while all the other species out there get to zip about the cosmos, we not knowing wonders lay out there...just having more questions than answers, which is never good to me.

You do seem sad in your Avatar, The castellan, but if you figure that 'all the species out there' who zip about the cosmos don't themselves have more questions than answers than the illusion of 'the gods' is still very much working. The place that has no questions at all is a place of void, the questions are part of the this incredible and beautiful Journey of our being which defines our existance, questions may change a little here and there but eventually we all seem to be a piece of the same puzzle and we need each other - a body of grandeur and inteligence that seeks unification, only at this time we are trying to find out how to put everything together, we have parts of the hand and the foot, but the essence is still a mystery :) And think how much patience there must be for those who are waiting for us

There is no equal to this spiritual cosmic voyage, I hope at least this part may be of value to you as well as a source of enjoyment and wonder

Take care ~

Limor

You misread me. What I am stating is that all those aliens out there pretty much know what's out there, that they have seen those wonders amongst the stars, WE have NOT....all we got are questions on what's out there....is there even anything out there.....if so, what are they like? We have no 100% damnable answers....just speculation, and possibilities. And those in power are making damned sure that getting the answers have a cost, and that cost is becoming very expensive, mainly in life....I firmly believe that Kennedy was murdered for trying to get us those answers. As I mentioned, on Nov 12, 1963, he and Khrushchev, through secret messages via the pope, planned a JOINT moon mission with the US and USSR as ALLIES, not rivals, and share anything found on the moon. The 2001 Disclosure Conference was doing a very good job, getting big names to come out and testify....yet a little thing called 9-11 happened, many of the video recording of the Disclosure Conference VANISHED, and instead of learning about aliens....all that happened are wars with Muslims, bailing out banks, and more big brother, 1984 policy that Jay Edgar Hoover could only masturbate to.


So forgive my pragmatism regarding unification of humanity by humanity alone......humanity had a TON of second chances and fumbled the ball each and every times.


Those who are waiting for us might have a lot of patience, but I do NOT.....humans, right now, live 70, 80, 100 years tops.....I'm 35 and I do NOT want to be either long dead or soooo old and decrepit when the aliens finally arrive and be put in the ground shortly after is my worst fear right now. The past few years, those Ufologists and others, looking for the answers have left us, and I do NOT want to eventually add to that list. I have a cosmos to see and explore, not be trapped on a miserable pebble called Earth, populated with stupid apes. And I have no intention to martyr myself in some foolhardy crusade against an evil empire with advanced technology, big guns and an army of over grown, high school dropout flunkies in black uniform to back it. All the light and love won't stop a bullet.....just ask Gandhi, Tesla, Kennedy and the Ufologists/alternative energy folks who ate a bullet for their cause. Double that since I feel more at home with aliens than I do with humans.

[TargeT]

Double that since I feel more at home with aliens than I do with humans.

have you spent much (any?) time with aliens?

I haven't (that I know of).

[The Castellan]

I have seen no indication of aliens f*cking each other over profits and percentages. They got faster than light travel, they got free energy. We have nothing but artificially created and maintained status quos. Every time we THINK we get an answer, all we get are 3 or 4 MORE questions and little to no answers.


So, yea....you'll forgive me if I am not a fan of homo sapiens.

[Eram]

On another note:
Karen Hudes has a good website.

www.kahudes.net

No mentioning of wild conspiracy theories there, but a lot of pdf's with communications between Karen Hudes and lots of high up officials, regarding attempts to bring to light the wrongdoings in the world bank.

good work Karen :thumb:

[AutumnW]

Karen Hudes....Oh Dear....Ancient Egyptians and many other pre-modern societies, regularly deformed the heads of their babies. They used a helmet, brace-like contraption and gradually tightened it through toddlerhood until the head of the child looked pretty much like Tutenkamen. I believe some tribe or tribes in the South Pacific still practice this 'art'

Truth is, up until fairly recently, the 'perfect woman' was likely a cone head with a lovely smile and winning personality.

[ghostrider]

Soneans , not from this Universe ... they are one of the few races easily identified by their long shaped heads ...

[lunaflare]

Actually, makes much sense to me; the figures in the Vatican wearing large pointed hats.
i do not believe it is because their heads are elongated, but simply part of acknowledging a legacy. one of many rituals...
It is a legacy to this race-who ultimately created this so called matrix reality that is now greatly influencing human history. We are part of this genetic pool.
We can begin to undo the controlling program, however...if we become aware of how this enslaves us...and then choose to change our belief systems.

Is it possible these ET-humans were what we now refer to as Phoenicians? (focus on war, trade, money, banking). Semites. Then influenced/merged with Egyptian culture and turned Venice into a trading hub etc.

Thanks for post
I have not listened to the interview as yet

[STR]

Karen Hudes....Oh Dear....Ancient Egyptians and many other pre-modern societies, regularly deformed the heads of their babies. They used a helmet, brace-like contraption and gradually tightened it through toddlerhood until the head of the child looked pretty much like Tutenkamen. I believe some tribe or tribes in the South Pacific still practice this 'art'

Truth is, up until fairly recently, the 'perfect woman' was likely a cone head with a lovely smile and winning personality.

This does nothing to explain additional cranial capacity and plate differences in the skulls of some finds as well as nerve ending and channel differences in the skull not seen in human beings. I have examined these skulls myself, my wife and her father also, now deceased and all dentists all be it retired and non licensed, well, except for my wife. She still has a license for Colorado although I don't know why we keep it active but in all three of our professional opinions the skulls we examined were not human but had obvious human attributes. These were not simply deformed skulls. I have seen and handled many human skulls. I have had them cradled in my lap to do dental work on them and I can tell you that we would have to remake chair head rests for dental work on these guys and not just for reasons having to do with cone heads like you describe which are mimics of the real deal! The real deal is different than the mimics and had some sort of nerves humans do not have and at the back top of the skulls! The very large skulls I might add. This is distinctly different than human anatomy and also the teeth are different and show up even in infants months old. Not to forget recent DNA findings revealed by Forster on this same family of skulls (Sp) all which indicate something real, and something other than Homo Sapien. Your nice and neat tidy summary is half complete based on this and what I have witnessed and also on infant findings where the heads are obviously not normal size but far bigger than simply practicing deformation can do. This was in a glass case and we were not able to handle it but I have since spoken to other physicians that have seen and handled and even sampled some of these and they are absolutely real beings with real DNA and real differences to human as we know it to be.

[Sidney]

Its already been proven that you can reSHAPE a head, but you cannot increase the size by those methods. And it is the huge size of the heads, that is the telling difference.
As For Karen, gotta love her passion and spunk and courage......but I feel like she may be a little naive' regarding who/what she is up against.

[AutumnW]

STR, Here is a pic. What do you think? I guess it could be a fake. It hasn't been published to debunk the premise that weird elongated skulls are ET in origin.

http://www.bangkokmafia.com/2010/02/25/skull-deformation/

For what it's worth, a good friend of mine had the starchild skull in his possession many years back. I didn't see it, but by the way he described it, it wasn't human. It wasn't even clearly animal. It appeared to be a cyborg, combination of the biological and mechanical. (for lack of better words) I believe him. He said it was the weirdest thing he'd ever seen and he studied it for ages.

I don't doubt that giants roamed the earth, with double sets of dentures, that et's were responsible for tweaking human being's evolutionary path. But every strange looking skull isn't likely ET in origin. Most are probably just artificially deformed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation

[STR]

STR, Here is a pic. What do you think? I guess it could be a fake. It hasn't been published to debunk the premise that weird elongated skulls are ET in origin.

http://www.bangkokmafia.com/2010/02/25/skull-deformation/

For what it's worth, a good friend of mine had the starchild skull in his possession many years back. I didn't see it, but by the way he described it, it wasn't human. It wasn't even clearly animal. It appeared to be a cyborg, combination of the biological and mechanical. (for lack of better words) I believe him. He said it was the weirdest thing he'd ever seen and he studied it for ages.

I don't doubt that giants roamed the earth, with double sets of dentures, that et's were responsible for tweaking human being's evolutionary path. But every strange looking skull isn't likely ET in origin. Most are probably just artificially deformed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation

It is always difficult to tell with pictures but when you hold bone and skull in your hands and have others you've also held to base that experience from you kind of know real bone when you see it. On the Nazca skulls pictured in the second link. I find it interesting that of all the fantastic samples available that what is there are mimics I'd say. I don't see the same things there but on the child I've seen that before and it is difficult to know how much hair and other splints or shims are in there to form the skull. Based on what I've seen by many of the remains I was shown of children skulls I believe pushing this to the extremes is likely the cause of their deaths. They must have had bulging bulbous eyes from the pressure and one has to wonder of infection if abrasion from rubbing was to take place.

When I look at the skulls in particular I'm looking at and around the jaw, thinking to myself things like okay if we still had a practice and this guy walked into our office with a tooth problem on that mandible how in the heck am I going to get this guy numb and how am I going to get that massive tooth and four root tooth out of there in one piece if I have to extract it? To give you an idea my wife and I have lived on several reservations and she is a retired Indian Health Service Dentist as well as regular licensed dentist and in that time of seeing patients we saw some big folks. Some of the Osage Indians here local near us that were seen by my wife in Pawhuska, OK are some of the single biggest people we have ever seen! We are talking nearly seven foot tall woman at times and men even bigger on two occasions. So large the Adec dental chair we used refused to lift one of them up once they laid back so we had to lower our stools to work on this person. This is not a racist thing okay. We have seen many other large people from Japanese wrestlers to WWF wrestlers, a boxer, a football star, a rather exceptionally large basketball player and not a one of them compared to the skulls we handled for head or teeth size. I do not know the stature of the individual and honestly if the infant skull was out of the glass case one has to confirm first and foremost in my opinion that the skull and the body actually go together you know what I mean? I found myself questioning if it was a fake or not on that one but it appeared fake for other reasons. In some ways the wife and I thought it looked like a old man skull. You know a geriatric patient of some age. Yet the body was obviously either deformed or infantile and again I really won't confirm or deny anything on that one. I can tell you I've seen good slides of the StarChild skull and Lloyd and I did email at times. I never met him but the bone has interwoven fibers in what I saw unlike anything I've ever seen under a scope and it also was reported to be quite difficult to cut as I recall.

[AutumnW]

STR, It's a real poser. Thanks for getting back to me. I want to mention, too, that my unfortunately condescending remark, "Oh Dear...Karen Hudes" is about the greater public's perception of what she is coming out with.

Also, communicating her knowledge of political economy while expanding into the realm of the esoteric requires people to expand their conceptual framework to the breaking point.

Describing the idea of ET control of humanity, as if it is a clearly defined and knowable phenomenon, at this time, seems like a mistake to me. I feel the best we can say is, "it seems that, it feels as if, I think that maybe...." And that is to be fair to the topic, not to take away from it.

It is a topic that could easily turn out to be the defining issue of our lifetime, of the millenium. It's dynamite. I worry that if it isn't handled properly, if people don't introduce more 'maybes' and fewer certainties, it will become kryptonite. No legitimate scientific researcher will touch it and it will devolve into a fundamentalist type of religion. It scares me.

[MorningFox]

Karen Hudes....Oh Dear....Ancient Egyptians and many other pre-modern societies, regularly deformed the heads of their babies. They used a helmet, brace-like contraption and gradually tightened it through toddlerhood until the head of the child looked pretty much like Tutenkamen. I believe some tribe or tribes in the South Pacific still practice this 'art'

Truth is, up until fairly recently, the 'perfect woman' was likely a cone head with a lovely smile and winning personality.

Please do your research before simply rubbishing something off due to ignorance. No offence intended. Head boarding changes the shape of the head but never the brain capacity. The skulls in question have anywhere from 25% to 60% larger brain capacity and also contain only one parietal plate, rather than two. Plus the jawbones are apparently significantly larger than usual human jawbones... though I'm no expert myself.

It's likely the worldwide tradition of head boarding exists from our ancestors trying to imitate the 'gods'.

Edit - Sorry I should have read the replies after the above response, it looks like the points I made have already been addressed. :)

[AutumnW]

Hi Morning Fox,

I have done research on this subject. I take the subject more seriously than most. What I find kind of funny about this is I have wondered for years if the ET's themselves are behind the cover-up. I also feel they they have the ability to manipulate collective unconscious of our species. I also think they likely engaged in breeding people and I have a theory about how they did this. But it's just a theory. And my suspicions are just that--suspicions that aren't clearly defined. I can't state anything with certainty.

My husband wrote an award winning book on the cover-up and I helped him develop circumstantial evidence, through my research, to support a case for media complicity in the cover- up.

I understand your frustration but please don't lay an accusation of lack of research on me. I will carefully reread this thread to see if I did miss anything, though. And will be quite happy to admit it, if I am wrong.

[MorningFox]

You rubbished them off as being humans using head boarding techniques, though no head boarding has ever increased cranial capacity. These skulls have significantly increased cranial capacity...

That was my point.

[STR]

You rubbished them off as being humans using head boarding techniques, though no head boarding has ever increased cranial capacity. These skulls have significantly increased cranial capacity...

That was my point.


And there is more than one technique to head board also. Perhaps more than two even. Huns had different head shapes and so did Egyptians who apparently learned it or adopted it from the Mitanni tribe (sp forgive) but the woman of this tribe were warriors and did all the men would do and more. They'd kick your behind in short order, rode horses and fought side by side with them. Nefertiti and other daughters of Pharaoh were warrior princesses basically which is how Scotia or Scotland was founded and why Egyptian remains are there to this day in marked graves. The Mitanni traded or provided wives to Pharaoh and the priests. These woman and the tribe did practice deformation and the cone goes more out the back than up like the cone heads in the movie and like those I examined. The Egyptian technique is more like those of Malta I believe. South American appear to be what they mimic and I say that because in art, like in the representation of the sculptures the Egyptians portray a 'real cone head appearance' but the actual reveal of the xrays and scans shows different. They were apparently mimics of the once royal line that was diluted for whatever reason. What I examined did not look like this here. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6614215/#.Uz7zxKhdWSo which is based on a rendendering supposed to be life like. I don't see the massive jaw, or the eye difference, cheek bone, and I'd bet the teeth are sized to the jaw so no big teeth. These are not the same. Go to Siberia you find yet another look.

Neurologically speaking, if we dig into the brain and the functioning of the brain as we 'think' we know it then supposedly all sympathy, feelings of remorse, conscience, awareness of self, empathy, compassion all stem from the front part of the head and brain you know that area they focus in on to squish! Its like they want to eliminate these feelings and 'problems' within the royals so they made this special species of ruler class of peoples to do that. Its almost as if they became these unfeeling robots. Then they had a cataclysm. They blamed the priests and leaders with the knowledge, they strung up most of them hunting them down leading to dragon slaying myths and giant slayings and the culture nearly collapsed.

Then at the last minute the remaining survivors, apparently too few to keep the line viable as a species, but enough to lead to genetic experiments to create slaves of lesser 'little brains' and we see what little brains do. They get lost while these guys sit high and mighty using their big conscience free brains to manipulate the world just as Karen seems to describe them. They can't reproduce except within certain of the population and its mostly all of them, the royals which is why the inbreeding. But this theory is shot to you know, deep if you consider that the Russian line of royals they eliminated were a vast gene pool they very much needed to maintain genetic diversity and yet they killed them off! Pharaoh or the Pope its the same image, same zoo, they just changed the name and went in hiding after the last group nearly wiped em out. They still wear/wore the head dress of the real deal and led the public to believe they were still the same as what we find in Paracus I imagine. Now most of this is my opinion but we can do that now I hear. :-) IF and I realize its a big if but if they flattened heads to eliminate these 'problems' with their emotions I'd say it certainly appears to have worked wouldn't you?

[Observer1964]

If ET was our enemy -we would all be dead.

If ET was our friend we would be free

We are free and ET has no bearing on this freedom.

This is not a prison planet folks. . . . The sooner we can eliminate this absurd meme the sooner we can move forward.

Also ET is neither a friend or enemy.

A farmer is also not an enemy to his cattle, but if you are part of that cattle that farmer is surely controling your life and you surely would want that farmer out of your life.

As soon as a farm-animal acts free he will become a target. Targeted by his fellow heardsman or sheparddog.

I think what Karen Hudes has discovered is the second race as mentioned in the sumerian tablets, A class of workers, and a class of controllers.

[STR]

If ET was our enemy -we would all be dead.

If ET was our friend we would be free

We are free and ET has no bearing on this freedom.

This is not a prison planet folks. . . . The sooner we can eliminate this absurd meme the sooner we can move forward.

Also ET is neither a friend or enemy.

A farmer is also not an enemy to his cattle, but if you are part of that cattle that farmer is surely controling your life and you surely would want that farmer out of your life.

As soon as a farm-animal acts free he will become a target. Targeted by his fellow heardsman or sheparddog.

I think what Karen Hudes has discovered is the second race as mentioned in the sumerian tablets, A class of workers, and a class of controllers.

Very close actually. Many of the more conservative less 'new age' leaning scholars believe we are in the dark as to the actual numbers of species or Haplogroups that collided to form modern man. It appears now thanks to the Human genome project and other research areas and labs that the 'compulsive dominators' (royals and elites) were formed from these original groups. Neanderthal with his close short legs was not prone to a lot of migration or movement. As a result they stayed put and became most of the ruling classes of peoples on the planet after mixing with a newly discovered less talked about group that Neanderthal could mate with. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denisova_hominin

This group produced children of mixed mixed blood that began allowing the previously obvious 'ruler elite cone head big brain' and the little brains that could produce children with the beasts (us) It was not until the later group that could mix with these ones that this mix of bloods began. In time this conflict within the Deniovians from the character traits of the elite became known as those weird studies we all conduct. You know, the serial killers, the guys doing weird stuff and then feeling guilt over it, fretting over it with all the emotional baggage well, that is from the mix. These groups the leaders of the pure did not suffer from this emotional baggage because of the life that Neaderthal is thought to have led. From this site it adds up to an easy equation in your head to figure out where the guilt trips from bad behaviors set in once these matings took place. From archeological data we now see Neanderthal as leading an acquisitive and greedy, cold & somewhat brutal life - and above all, unwilling to roam. 100link

A grasping, though unadventurous type. What there was - Neanderthal wanted. And what he had - Neanderthal kept.

We humans came along much later. And we were wild! Slighter, quick-footed and nimble. Even though we had smaller brains, we were livelier, friendlier and more sociable amongst ourselves.

The small family groups of tight knit units of other Haplogroups had compassion, empathy, warmth. Neanderthal and the brutes didn't know that, didn't practice it that way and did things kind of isolationist style more like what you see in the dead beat dad' sort of mentality. They lived on the prime catch of the day everyday and left the slaves and woman to fend for the scraps and themselves. This group apparently, led itself to extinction just from their own lazy habits from simply being cared for and mating with the Densovians so often and so long that the Neaderthal cone head pure ones died out in Paracus apparently and in Siberia and after them all that was left was the line of the mixed that began keeping track of their records because they realized too late that the days of the pure ones were over. Of course this mating allowed them to better hide in plane site now and they do but the mentality is all still there intact and you all know exactly what I am talking about with that I'm sure. The brute still lives. It just looks different http://www.perceptions.couk.com/authority4.html

[AngelArmy]

I have seen no indication of aliens f*cking each other over profits and percentages. They got faster than light travel, they got free energy. We have nothing but artificially created and maintained status quos. Every time we THINK we get an answer, all we get are 3 or 4 MORE questions and little to no answers.


So, yea....you'll forgive me if I am not a fan of homo sapiens.

hello.......we are homo sapiens - nudge nudge

[blufire]

If ET was our enemy -we would all be dead.

If ET was our friend we would be free

We are free and ET has no bearing on this freedom.

This is not a prison planet folks. . . . The sooner we can eliminate this absurd meme the sooner we can move forward.

Also ET is neither a friend or enemy.

A farmer is also not an enemy to his cattle, but if you are part of that cattle that farmer is surely controling your life and you surely would want that farmer out of your life.

As soon as a farm-animal acts free he will become a target. Targeted by his fellow heardsman or sheparddog.

I think what Karen Hudes has discovered is the second race as mentioned in the sumerian tablets, A class of workers, and a class of controllers.


Hello Observer 1964 . . . . . interesting you would use this analogy in answer to my post because it just so happens I am a farmer/homesteader and have 2 dairy cows with their 2 new babies , as well as, 32 chickens, 5 dogs, 3 cats and I have had dairy goats, horses and a menagerie of other animals.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32007-Deep-in-Foxfire-Hollow--meanderings-of-a-slightly-crazy-mountain-woman-/page3

I am responsible for the animals that live on this farm and yes, I am their shepherd. I respect my animals and view my place in their life with humility.

I do not ‘control’ the animals under my care in any way. I do train and teach and direct all my animals so that all of us who live on this farm live in peace and without fear.

My cows do not fear my dogs (german shepherd, blue heeler, border collie mix, english mastiff, labrador) because I have taught my dogs to respect them and in turn my cows respect the dogs and what their job and place is on the farm.

Each species of animal under my care look to me to keep them safe, fed and sheltered. Because I provide these things with love and respect, they in turn love and respect me and my place on the farm.

I absolutely have to make difficult decisions at times to keep the farm balanced and sustainable and to continue the natural cycle of life in a somewhat unnatural setting.


but if you are part of that cattle that farmer is surely controling your life and you surely would want that farmer out of your life.

Your overall analogy doesn’t work largely because of this statement. Time after time on PA I see people implying human emotion and thought on species or beings that are not human.

This is an error of great magnitude that humans make constantly.

To make a judgment or determination of how a species or other Being (aliens, et’s, mythical etc) feels, thinks, lives from a human perspective and build an explanation or theory from that place means your entire foundation is terminally flawed from the very beginning and therefore the end result wrong.

I feel what Karen Hudes has ‘discovered’ is simply mankind who lived in that part of the world, in that era of genetic bloodlines (heredity) and in that time of evolvement. It is no different that our world today. Compare an aborigine from Australia to an Artic Inuit . . . . . . big difference in body conformation and skeletal structure and yet they are both entirely human.

Until we abolish these false thoughts (implanted memes) about controllers and slaves (prison planet) and stop judging other species in ‘human terms’ we as a group and as individuals will never move forward in peace or effectively.


And oh . . . . these ‘implanted memes’ have been implanted by the new age and alternative groups and people . . . NOT by ‘them’, cabal, reptilians or who is consider by many on PA as adversaries of humanity.

[DNA]

If ET was our enemy -we would all be dead.

If ET was our friend we would be free

We are free and ET has no bearing on this freedom.

This is not a prison planet folks. . . . The sooner we can eliminate this absurd meme the sooner we can move forward.

Also ET is neither a friend or enemy.

A farmer is also not an enemy to his cattle, but if you are part of that cattle that farmer is surely controling your life and you surely would want that farmer out of your life.

As soon as a farm-animal acts free he will become a target. Targeted by his fellow heardsman or sheparddog.

I think what Karen Hudes has discovered is the second race as mentioned in the sumerian tablets, A class of workers, and a class of controllers.

This is well stated Observer.

But I do not know if I see any direct link to what is going on now and what happened in Egyptian times.

For me personally, I do not think you can look back to the Egyptians, Sumerians, Mayan or Inca for a bonified example of these folks (aliens) who are currently running things from behind the scenes. If in fact someone is running things behind the scenes.

I think we can see evidence that there is a different modis operandi at play through differing epochs of time.


For instance, I do not believe the industrial revolution took place because folks in the 1800's were just plain smarter than anyone who came before, I believe it took place because we were allowed to advance a tad bit due to new politics, (behind the scenes so to speak).

There is a line out of "THE RISE AND FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE" where Ceaser kills an inventor who brought him a working steam engine and stated he(the inventor) could power the entire world with something like this, to which Ceaser promptly had him killed. When asked why he had him killed Ceaser replied (what would the slaves do if this was let to happen?)

There seems to have been a very specific change in politics in so far as folks having a hands off approach if there are alien controllers now running things from behind the scenes.

If all our present alien controllers are doing now is skimming off of the top in terms of banking fraud, we are pretty fortunate comparably speaking.


For me personally, I think we have been traded and or passed on to another culture.


For a historical reference, I can think of Mexico and how it got it's independance from Spain.
Mexico was freed from Spain through the act of Napolean defeating Spain, and neither Napolean nor Spain then having the resources to cross the ocean and try to maintain control.

Something tells me that we are in a similiar condition, and that if anyone is behind the scenes controlling anything (alien) wise, it may be the equivalent of refugees left behind by a controlling alien culture. Kind of like foreign ambassadors but no longer with the backing of the country which sent them.

Kind of like an underground embassy now left to govern and administer as it sees fit.

John Keel's "KING OF THE WORLD", concept fits this rather well.
The ancient oriental idea that there is a king of the world who lives under the earth and occasionally sends his emissaries to the surface to have his bidding done.
These emissaries always travel in three, and very much seem to be what we call "THE MEN IN BLACK".





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvm77diHCdA