Claimed image proof of people on Mars

[michaelv]

Proof Of People On Mars

The YouTuber TruthSeeker has been making some ground breaking discoveries ,you would think NASA would want some part of these discoveries ,but still no official comment from NASA or JPL ,What were seeing in this video could change life on earth forever .The response to this video has all been positive.Near the end of this video there is a man walking with a shoulder bag and he has his cloths on a line drying ,either this pic is from mars or its from earth either way NASA has some explaining to do to all of us ,at the time of this story no comment from NASA yet
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[marlowe]

Forget about the first 22 minutes of this video...Go directly to 23 minutes & 25 seconds in and look at the photo of what is clearly a man walking ...:help:

WOW.....

[Ammit]

Thanks Michaelv

OMG, this is so strange. It certainly does look like a man in a baron area.
I have to agree with the person in the video that this was taken here somewhere as I would not believe nasa would be so sloppy to release this type of image.

[DNA]

Andrew Basiago tells an amazing story when it comes to Mars and there being life on it.


He states there are "stargate" type technologies being used by our government and folks on Mars for travel back and forth.

Basiago also spearheaded the initial findings for NASA pictures with life forms in them being that he states that he remembers them from when he was a child.

Basiago states that he was part of a project that sent kids through these stargates, and he was one of those kids.

Time travel too.

It's far too outlandish to believe, but compelling, intelligently told and it has caused me to suspend my disbelief.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rzWgs0Kfvc

[dim]

Is this some kind of joke ?
Or like some kind of experiment to see the percent of suggestible on Avalon ?
There's nothing there but rocks.
It's only the narration that makes apparent something that our specific group of people wants to see anyway.

What's going on last 2 days with fake videos ? dustdevils and men on mars... is it cause of April's 1 ?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Whats next, Big Bong theory? No more special brownies for that dude, that's I all got out of the video.:confused:

[DNA]

Is this some kind of joke ?
Or like some kind of experiment to see the percent of suggestible on Avalon ?
There's nothing there but rocks.
It's only the narration that makes apparent something that our specific group of people wants to see anyway.

What's going on last 2 days with fake videos ? dustdevils and men on mars... is it cause of April's 1 ?


Whats next, Big Bong theory? No more special brownies for that dude, that's I all got out of the video.:confused:

Sometimes I wish small minded people had equally small opinions.

So this isn't for you. Right? Why not keep your opinion to yourself and find something that jibes with you rather than offer up a stinging jab.

Folks who feel offended by things that are paradigm threatening are doing nothing more than defending their view of the world, for the alternative would be to risk changing that view of the world.

Dim, for your information some of the most important Avalon information comes from Bill Ryan and Kerry interviewing Henry Deacon and discussing his jump room to mars. This pings rather well with the Andrew Basiago information who also discusses a stargate type device that acts as a teleportation to Mars. Basiago claims that he himself has been to Mars and he has seen quite a bit of animal life there.

[dim]

in fact DNA you're absolutely right, i've should have keep it to myself
i added nothing valuable to the thread
thanks for the reminder

[778 neighbour of some guy]

DNA, this isn't about paradigms, Bill or what the f@ck else ever, this is about the video, WHAT DID YOU PERSONALLY SEE THAT IS ACTUALLY THERE.

And then this.


Sometimes I wish small minded people had equally small opinions

Furthermore, don't pick fights with me, bad move, have yourself a brownie and continue defending obvious crap, it seems to be your thing, at least in this case.

MichaelV, I will remove myself from your thread out of respect for you.

DNA, gullibility seems to be your thing, have you learned nothing yourself the past years from frankly just stupid claims from people taking stabs at the altcom??? What made this YT vid any different, point it out please!!!!

[DNA]

DNA, this isn't about paradigms, Bill or what the f@ck else ever, this is about the video, WHAT DID YOU PERSONALLY SEE THAT IS ACTUALLY THERE.

And then this.


Sometimes I wish small minded people had equally small opinions

Furthermore, don't pick fights with me, bad move, have yourself a brownie and continue defending obvious crap, it seems to be your thing, at least in this case.

MichaelV, I will remove myself from your thread out of respect for you.

DNA, gullibility seems to be your thing, have you learned nothing yourself the past years from frankly just stupid claims from people taking stabs at the altcom??? What made this YT vid any different, point it out please!!!!

Gullibility comes from belief, I'm stating that this is about suspending your disbelief.
I would appreciate the input if you had something negative to say in regards to information on the picture and or the person who presented the picture.
But your criticism is a knee jerk reaction, there is no information being imparted, only redicule and scorn, the same type we all learned in kindergarten in order to impart society's rules and dictates.

I dare say we have a different sort of those here (rules and dictates), and as such, we need not operate out of this (small mindedness).

[778 neighbour of some guy]

DNA, this isn't about paradigms, Bill or what the f@ck else ever, this is about the video, WHAT DID YOU PERSONALLY SEE THAT IS ACTUALLY THERE.

And then this.


Sometimes I wish small minded people had equally small opinions

Furthermore, don't pick fights with me, bad move, have yourself a brownie and continue defending obvious crap, it seems to be your thing, at least in this case.

MichaelV, I will remove myself from your thread out of respect for you.

DNA, gullibility seems to be your thing, have you learned nothing yourself the past years from frankly just stupid claims from people taking stabs at the altcom??? What made this YT vid any different, point it out please!!!!

Gullibility comes from belief, I'm stating that this is about suspending your disbelief.
I would appreciate the input if you had something negative to say in regards to information on the picture and or the person who presented the picture.
But your criticism is a knee jerk reaction, there is no information being imparted, only redicule and scorn, the same type we all learned in kindergarten in order to impart society's rules and dictates.

I dare say we have a different sort of those here (rules and dictates), and as such, we need not operate out of this (small mindedness).


WHAT DID YOU PERSONALLY SEE THAT IS ACTUALLY THERE.


Don't dance around it, just tell it like it is, what did you see in the video, what? Open your own mind and what was in the video, its a good thing to sift through the bull**** by closing the mind for things that are OBVIOUSLY not there, like in the video, so, don't defend things that are clearly not there, I didn't create the video, nor did I post it, so, what do you see in the video. WHAT IS THERE?

[meat suit]

like I said in my post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42029-Maybe-time-to-take-a-serious-look-at-David-Wilcock&p=442589&viewfull=1#post442589
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Andrew Basiago however, I have only listened to the interview with Alfred Webre about humanoids on mars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ttN...8eSQIUHmuTZufD
is completely out off his mind as far as I can tell. he is giving this detailed analysis of stuff that just isnt there...nuts...I looked at the picture while I listened.....he must be hallucinating.... '

[The Castellan]

Simple why NASA won't say anything....2 words



BROOKINGS REPORT. The ones really in charge of NASA look at Brookings as some sort of bible, as in "When we find it....HIDE IT/DENY IT/DESTROY IT for mankind are little babies who can't handle the truth, etc etc!" excuse.


Dim, from my own studies and research, there's far, far more on the surface of Mars that mere ROCKS.

Apart from Cydonia, Gale Crater, where Curiosity landed, has a tetrahedral hill inside the crater, and I've seen what looks like roads and foundations of what used to be some sort of series of structures. Also, I've seen what appears to be remains of old buildings along the cliffs and emerging from the sands of Mars are ribbed, glass like tube like structures. There's a hell lot more than just rocks on Mars.

[sheme]

And here I was thinking April fools day was a lost art. :rolleyes:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Is this some kind of joke ?
Or like some kind of experiment to see the percent of suggestible on Avalon ?
There's nothing there but rocks.
It's only the narration that makes apparent something that our specific group of people wants to see anyway.

What's going on last 2 days with fake videos ? dustdevils and men on mars... is it cause of April's 1 ?

Agreed. This and numerous other threads lately are evidence of a steady downward trend in quality and credibility on PA.

[Nick Matkin]

Well, it looks like an excellent example of pareidolia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia)to me.

Or... it could be a man wearing sand-coloured clothes surrounded by sand hanging more sand-coloured clothes out on a washing line in a Martian farm or cemetery.

(Well that's what the commentary says.)

[Atlas]

Sorry OP, I see no proof in the video you posted.

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Add: Full size image can be seen here: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2094/13090354084_125907d33d_o.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2094/13090354084_125907d33d_o.jpg
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Well, it looks like an excellent example of pareidolia to me.
I agree.

[RunningDeer]

Well, it looks like an excellent example of Pareidolia to me.

Or... it could be a man wearing sand-coloured clothes surrounded by sand hanging more sand-coloured clothes out on a washing line in a Martian farm or cemetery.

(Well that's what the commentary says.)

Link fixed, Nick. Thanks, new word for me.

pareidolia (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pareidolia?s=t)— n
the imagined perception of a pattern or meaning where it does not actually exist, as in considering the moon to have human features

[aranuk]

I have 12" x 12" tiles on my bathroom floor and sometimes looking at the floor I see faces, sometimes I see a Robert Mitchum looking face, sometimes a lions face, other times I don't see them. Maybe it depends on the light. Humans have a tendency, I have heard, to see faces in patterns in lots of different ways. I would agree that in the video it did look like a man walking. But give me time and I bet I could see a face that resembled John Wayne.

Stan

Edit: Hi Nick, you named it buddy, pareidolia. That's what I was talking about! And someone like me, I suppose I am a pareidoliac.:o

[Camilo]

Let's get real here, that picture says nothing of anything at all.

[marlowe]

Forget about the first 22 minutes of this video...Go directly to 23 minutes & 25 seconds in and look at the photo of what is clearly a man walking ...:help:

WOW.....

Based on the number of "thank you for posting this" more people here SEE the man walking than the

people who don't see the man..........IMO the people who don't see the man DON"T want to see it...

LOOKING objectively I can clearly see a man walking....

If NASA says there is no atmosphere on Mars I'm inclined to think NASA is lying based on their long track record of lying.....
Since more people here at Project Avalon see the man than the 'Not See" group & since this forum is composed of above average IQ people I think the photo actually shows a man.....weither it's some kind of elaborate hoax is another story....

Also look at the avatar of the main poster of the 'NOT SEE" group...788 neighbor has a photo of a man putting his fingers in his ears...I rest my case...:typing:

[aranuk]

Does anyone know what program it is that you can zoom in to stop videos and zoom in without losing the focus? It would be neat.

Stan

[TargeT]

Forget about the first 22 minutes of this video...Go directly to 23 minutes & 25 seconds in and look at the photo of what is clearly a man walking ...:help:

WOW.....

I can see what he is talking about, is he saying the color scale and most details have been removed? are they saying that it's been manipulated enough that it looks like it could just be rocks ('cause; it looks like rocks to me that sort of outlines what could be a guy with a satchel)

[Nick Matkin]

We are wired to see patterns - the constellations in the night sky for example. In the northern hemisphere we can see a man in the Moon, but it's not real. (The image is upside-down below the equator and a face is not at all obvious.)

Pareidolia also occurs with sound - as any EVP researcher will know.

Thanks RunningDeer for fixing the link. I've re-done mine. It was to the Wikepedia pareidolia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia) entry.

Now, if the OP video were moving and we could still see a chap hanging out his washing...

Nick

[sirdipswitch]

"Are you frikkin kidding me? A pole and another pole, and clothes hanging on a line, and a guy? and if that's not a guy, then I'm gonna quit making videos." !!!!!!!! ???????????????

Only true and acurate statement the guy says, and should do. "Quit making videos"!!!

Far too much of this crap on U-tube to muddy the waters of credible Mars information.

That is however, not to say there isn't life on Mars. For there is. We have people living and working and going to and fro, from Earth, and our base on the Moon. But videos such as this one, do neither of them justice. You can get better pictures than this, with a good camera, and a 35 power tellescope!

Does anyone wonder why it is that NASA can't seem to get better pictures, when "WE" have cameras that can read a dime, in the middle of your back yard, from a satelite 300 miles out in space????

I don't know what this guy is smokin, but "I" refuse to try and put images of people, or anything else for that matter, where there are none!!!

If "ANYONE" can actually "see", what this guy on this video, is talking about, ya might just need yer glasses checked... or leave them Brownies alone!!! chuckle chuckle.


778 NOSG, I'm with you on this one bud.

When NASA starts showing us "clear" images, of what is really on Mars, and the Moon, I will start listening to them.

Untill then... NASA = Not A Straight Answer... period.

[sheme]

Video posted on the tube on April fools day is a big clue. Guess it isn't as big in the states as it is over here.

[Atlas]

NASA can't seem to get better pictures

Yes, I was disappointed to find only a small resolution for this picture.

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00565/mcam/0565ML2289001000E1_DXXX.jpg


Does anyone know what program it is that you can zoom in to stop videos and zoom in without losing the focus?

Your best bet here is to zoom in the original picture (it's in the upper left corner and you can't see it unless you zoom in)

See full resolution picture here: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2094/13090354084_125907d33d_o.jpg

For those who still can't see him/it, I zoomed in and modified colors/saturation and here is what I see:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/divers/martian-lol1.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/divers/martian-lol2.jpg

Don't tell me I just caught the pareidolia thing! :sick:

[Nick Matkin]

is holding something

It's a gun, clearly a gun! (You'll have to squint your eyes a bit. A newspaper photographer told me that trick.)

[crosby]

thanks buares for the enlargements. quick question, where on the 1st photo would this be located? i can't seem to assimilate my eyeballs to the actual area where this 'man' is. from your second pic., he looks almost as though he is naked........ perhaps it is a statue.
warmest,
crosby

[TargeT]

where on the 1st photo would this be located?

top left 1/8th of the photo, look for the rock to the left of the "man" (it's the easiest to spot IMO)

[crosby]

ahhh, now i see. i think i'm going to need super-duper magnification glasses. wow, each time i try to zoom in, it just becomes more pixilated. thanks TargeT. i think it would have taken me almost forever to find it.
warmest,
cros.

[Atlas]

thanks buares for the enlargements. quick question, where on the 1st photo would this be located? i can't seem to assimilate my eyeballs to the actual area where this 'man' is. from your second pic., he looks almost as though he is naked........ perhaps it is a statue.
warmest,
crosby

Yes, his problem is that he is half-naked (he still got his boots on), that's why you can imagine him washing his clothes in the local river I guess.

I circled the area on the first photo > http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00565/mcam/0565ML2289001000E1_DXXX.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/divers/marsmartian0.jpg

[Atlas]

ahhh, now i see. i think i'm going to need super-duper magnification glasses. wow, each time i try to zoom in, it just becomes more pixilated. thanks TargeT. i think it would have taken me almost forever to find it.
warmest,
cros.

You need to zoom in the NASA picture to be able to see anything, the full size image is here (Avalon is streching the picture I posted so you need to follow the link to access the full resolution NASA image) : mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00565/mcam/0565ML2289001000E1_DXXX.jpg (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00565/mcam/0565ML2289001000E1_DXXX.jpg)

And yes, due to the small size of the image, it will be very 'pixilated'.

[crosby]

now that i am studying it closer, it looks as though he is walking (as i can see his other leg slightly behind the front leg) and carry a small child, and the blue looks like part of whatever is hanging over the wall, clothes line, whatever that is. hmmm. strange how the eye/mind dynamic works. thanks again.
warmest,
cros.

[Atlas]

Maybe they are just enjoying the local beach. :)

[Nasu]

It's very tricky to gauge the range or distance of this "fellow" washing their laundry... In my experience, if this were earth terrain I would estimate to the rock to "his" left to be 800 to a thousand yards, give or take, judging by the foreground and background. That would make this supposed camp to be about 40ft high, give or take.

Not being a blur expert it is difficult to say either way, but by my best guess "he" is huge, the vast underpants being visible on this windy bluff must have caught the eye of the NASA photoshop crew, right?? There is a lot of real hinky stuff about the red planet, in my opinion, this isn't one of them... Good find though, April fools most likely, or the real deal, who knows? Laundry challenged giants wandering the surface, interstellar economic migrants possibly?.... N

[ghostrider]

the picture tells 1,000 words... did you see the photo the team that sent a camera to Saturn took when they turned the camera around and photographed themselves standing in front of their office building ??? clear as clear can be , no pixels out of place , I mean HIGH DEF ... When they turn the camera the other way , it's always blurred , with pixels out of place and washed in secrets ... We know they are hiding proof of a culture and many cites on mars ... The late Brian Leary did a DVD on the mars pictures of TREES , lakes , mountains , glass tunnels ... they were clear and perfect , huge forest on mars ... IT is my opinion they have some people operating on mars already , building , mining , and researching the technology left behind from a former lineage ...

[DeDukshyn]

Whats next, Big Bong theory? No more special brownies for that dude, that's I all got out of the video.:confused:

Actually, I was planning on testing the big bong theory myself later tonight ... ;)

While I don't doubt there was once life on Mars -- possibly human / humanoid, I have yet to see any proof from someone pointing a cellphone cam at a computer screen of images that NASA has already vetted and released, while narrating ...

That said, I thought I saw "the steps" at the beginning of the video, but nothing much else ... ;)

[Bill Ryan]

some of the most important Avalon information comes from Bill Ryan and Kerry interviewing Henry Deacon and discussing his jump room to mars. This pings rather well with the Andrew Basiago information who also discusses a stargate type device that acts as a teleportation to Mars. Basiago claims that he himself has been to Mars and he has seen quite a bit of animal life there.

OK, guys... (Marshall walks in the saloon with his hand on his holster. :) )

Let's cool this down just a little. I can understand both the passionate plea for open-mindedness, and the exasperated exclamations from those who only see rocks. (I only see rocks too, I have to say.)

As I was called by DNA as a witness for the defense, I'd like to make a clear personal statement.

'Henry Deacon' (Arthur Neumann) spent dozens of hours with both me and Kerry together, and me alone (when he came to visit me for a week in Switzerland), talking about Mars in quite some detail. Both Kerry and I are in absolutely no doubt whatsoever that he has been there. And as many here will know, he's also spent a lot of time sharing similar testimony with David Wilcock, who is similarly in no doubt. All this is related here:

http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_3.html#Mars

...and also in this now very well-known video, Jumproom to Mars:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMwJmIRF7ZE

I do not believe Andy Basiago's story about having been to Mars. Andy certainly does, though, and is not being deliberately deceptive. When I last talked with Kerry about this (during the filming of the TruTV show in which Andy also featured), Kerry agreed 100% with my view. She and I believe Andy's "memories" are screen memories... implanted to discredit his real testimony, which was about his very important experiences in teleportation experiments as a child.

I was the first to speak to Andy about these experiences, in February 2007. I talked with him, off record over the phone, for four hours. He never ONCE mentioned Mars. At that point, this was not in his awareness.

In Andy's subsequent statements, he has as best I know never admitted publicly that prior to 2007-08 he had no absolutely no awareness of having been to Mars.

Somehow, the Mars stuff was "remembered" by him later. Andy always makes it appear as if all this was known consciously by him, all his life, just like any other normal memory, It was absolutely not that way at all.

This is important for everyone to understand. Andy has inadvertently done great damage to the credibility of Henry's Mars testimony (which was probably the whole planned intention), because his claims are ridiculous. Ridiculous -- I'll say that word once more. It's again a pronounced anomaly that Andy just does not see and cannot see how ridiculous his claims are. It's all an implant.

In my view, claims that this and that image of Mars show animals, statues, men walking, washing lines (!)... add most unhelpfully to this ridicule.

Look: you could drop a Mars lander almost anywhere in the Sahara, Atacama, or Gobi deserts, huge areas in a planet teeming with life, and they'd not see a thing moving, living or breathing. Just rocks. Please... be intelligent.

But the bottom line is that there IS a large, active base on Mars, we DO go there regularly (by advanced SOLAR WARDEN spacecraft and also by Jumproom (which is apparently called "The Corridor"), and -- according to David Wilcock's source 'Daniel' -- there are quite a lot of artifacts there, and a few pyramids, too (see the video above).

But no washing lines, please. :)

:focus:

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Also look at the avatar of the main poster of the 'NOT SEE" group...788 neighbor has a photo of a man putting his fingers in his ears...I rest my case...

That would be because I cant stand the bullsh!t hippy dippy wishful thinking anymore I am hearing here lately, grow up will you, they can stick a 26 megapixel camera ( or even a much better one) in a 10X10X10 package with zoom capabilities that will knock your socks off and they are for sale on every corner of the civilized world, NASA could probably do a bit better than that IMNSHO and what do we get, a vague blurry Martian Bigfoot picture, with narration from a fellow that clearly cant get enough of hearing his own voice pointing out things that aren't there, interpreting it by free associating, steering you to a direction he desires, Chewbacca's girlfriend is not hanging her knickers out to dry in that picture, you can be sure of that.

Stop wasting your time on this stuff and plant a garden or something like that, that's what will improve your quality of life, not this attention whoring youtube bull crap, all there is in that clip is a dude bullsh!tting the planet hoping for an interview, and some idiot will probably interview him too, slowing down all progress while muddying the waters even further on every one else's expense.

Don't forget who keeps Youtube on air, its bought and paid for, and not by you or me, everything on Youtube is allowed to be there, meaning whatever's there will not be a threat, internet is not as free as might think, not at all.

[DNA]

I do not believe Andy Basiago's story about having been to Mars. Andy certainly does, though, and is not being deliberately deceptive. When I last talked with Kerry about this (during the filming of the TruTV show in which Andy also featured), Kerry agreed 100% with my view. She and I believe Andy's "memories" are screen memories... implanted to discredit his real testimony, which was about his very important experiences in teleportation experiments as a child.

I was the first to speak to Andy about these experiences, in February 2007. I talked with him, off record over the phone, for four hours. He never ONCE mentioned Mars. At that point, this was not in his awareness.

In Andy's subsequent statements, he has as best I know never admitted publicly that prior to 2007-08 he had no absolutely no awareness of having been to Mars.

Somehow, the Mars stuff was "remembered" by him later. Andy always makes it appear as if all this was known consciously by him, all his life, just like any other normal memory, It was absolutely not that way at all.

This is important for everyone to understand. Andy has inadvertently done great damage to the credibility of Henry's Mars testimony (which was probably the whole planned intention), because his claims are ridiculous. Ridiculous -- I'll say that word once more. It's again a pronounced anomaly that Andy just does not see and cannot see how ridiculous his claims are. It's all an implant.

In my view, claims that this and that image of Mars show animals, statues, men walking, washing lines (!)... add most unhelpfully to this ridicule.

Look: you could drop a Mars lander almost anywhere in the Sahara, Atacama, or Gobi deserts, huge areas in a planet teeming with life, and they'd not see a thing moving, living or breathing. Just rocks. Please... be intelligent.

But the bottom line is that there IS a large, active base on Mars, we DO go there regularly (by advanced SOLAR WARDEN spacecraft and also by Jumproom (which is apparently called "The Corridor"), and -- according to David Wilcock's source 'Daniel' -- there are quite a lot of artifacts there, and a few pyramids, too (see the video above).

But no washing lines, please. :)

:focus:



Well I feel kind of silly.

The Basaigo story did in fact sound outlandish, but I've always prided myself in a rock solid BS detector, and I just didn't feel like the guy was lying, which I suppose would jibe well with what your saying in terms of the outlandish Mars stuff being implanted and as such he does in fact believe what he is saying even though the information is false.


While we are discussing things that are Mars.

Does anyone have an opinion on the photo Randolph Winters states was taken by Billy Meier and was a picture of an American Satellite in orbit around Mars taken in 1975?




http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/2562.jpg

[MorningFox]

Nothing but rocks and an overactive imagination for the most part. This still doesn't explain why there are countless blurred and obviously photo manipulated sections on many of the mars and moon photos released by NASA.

They're definitely hiding something but as Bill has already stated, videos like this don't do much good towards the credibility of the real information out there.

[Atlas]

Does anyone have an opinion on the photo Randolph Winters states was taken by Billy Meier and was a picture of an American Satellite in orbit around Mars taken in 1975?

http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/2562.jpg

Yes. It's the Viking spacecraft:

http://www.donaldedavis.com/BIGPUB/VIKORB.jpg

The Viking mission was planned to continue for 90 days after landing. Each orbiter and lander operated far beyond its design lifetime. Viking Orbiter 1 continued for four years and 1,489 orbits of Mars, concluding its mission August 7, 1980, while Viking Orbiter 2 functioned until July 25, 1978. Because of the variations in available sunlight, both landers were powered by radioisotope thermoelectric generators -- devices that create electricity from heat given off by the natural decay of plutonium. That power source allowed long-term science investigations that otherwise would not have been possible. Viking Lander 1 made its final transmission to Earth November 11, 1982. The last data from Viking Lander 2 arrived at Earth on April 11, 1980.

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/programmissions/missions/past/viking/
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That same year of 1975, Meier also photographed a couple of cavemen:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4Hcsp6qLfh8/UxDAMBCgVYI/AAAAAAAAU5o/KGjN2Z3E6aA/s1600/comparing+2+x+2+copy.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QbRF7FMg-QU/UxDAEHFjjMI/AAAAAAAAU5g/RidGggJ9epc/s1600/The_March_of_Progress+-+circled.jpg

http://ufoprophet.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/the-cave-men-photos-controversy-outer.html#axzz2yCllC9Xg

[AriG]

Nothing but rocks and an overactive imagination for the most part. This still doesn't explain why there are countless blurred and obviously photo manipulated sections on many of the mars and moon photos released by NASA.

They're definitely hiding something but as Bill has already stated, videos like this don't do much good towards the credibility of the real information out there.

In 5000 years, when we have colonized Venus, mankind will look back at Earth and suggest the very same thing...We aren't headed towards Mars but away from it, towards the center. As expansion continues, we will relocate to a more hospitable environment. Closer toward our star - not away from it.

[The Castellan]

Nothing but rocks and an overactive imagination for the most part. This still doesn't explain why there are countless blurred and obviously photo manipulated sections on many of the mars and moon photos released by NASA.

They're definitely hiding something but as Bill has already stated, videos like this don't do much good towards the credibility of the real information out there.

In 5000 years, when we have colonized Venus, mankind will look back at Earth and suggest the very same thing...We aren't headed towards Mars but away from it, towards the center. As expansion continues, we will relocate to a more hospitable environment. Closer toward our star - not away from it.
5000 years is waaaaay too long. I say we need to explore space, not dilly dally like a bunch of little forest elves.

[AriG]

As one who has "built things", I have noticed an particularly repetitive phenom- every endeavor, regardless of the steps involved, invariably takes twice as long as you predict.

[Bill Ryan]

Does anyone have an opinion on the photo Randolph Winters states was taken by Billy Meier and was a picture of an American Satellite in orbit around Mars taken in 1975?

http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/2562.jpg

Yes. It's the Viking spacecraft:

http://www.donaldedavis.com/BIGPUB/VIKORB.jpg





Excellent. I'd wondered about that Billy Meier photo for years.

I have a straight, neutral question... is it known who or what took the photo?

[Atlas]

I have a straight, neutral question... is it known who or what took the photo?

Unfortunately, I was unable to find the exact same photo. Meier took the photo in 1975, at the same time the viking spacecraft was around Mars. I suspect the origin of the photo is a TV program from the 70s. I speculate it was a simulation of the Viking spacecraft shown on TV around that time.

Don Davis drew the above picture for NASA in 1975, maybe he could provide more insight on that... a mystery really but it makes no doubt in my mind that this was the Viking spacecraft.

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EDIT

One thing to notice is that Meier's photo is a model and not the actual spacecraft. Notice the US flag in both the original painting and Meier's photo, the real spacecraft had the the flag reversed (upside down):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Viking_spacecraft.jpg/1024px-Viking_spacecraft.jpg
(This is not a concept photo but an actual photo of the Viking Spacecraft taken at JPL just after final check-out before delivery to KSC.)

[Maia Gabrial]

I would destroy NASA if I could. They're deceivers. They should be about looking for life out there and SHARING it, not covering it. They're useless to us if this is what they're doing.

But it's pathetic when skeptics attack someone who's only trying to find the truth. At least, this guy is more honest than NASA. An open mind will find the truth....

The guy sure was surprised to find the man. It looks like a man to me, too. I don't agree with the laundry on the line idea, but that was only a guess. It didn't mean it was that. It could have been a hunter and that was where he was hanging the carcasses.... Maybe Mars has hostile terrain and beasts roam around.....One guess is as good as another. We won't know for sure until NASA stops lying to us.

[Peace of Mind]

:confused: A man in the desert drying his clothes on a clothesline... in the middle of nowhere, where there's no sign of water, no house, nothing that resembles a back or front yard, nothing but rocks on a dried up barren landscape...yet we are associating this picture with "human" activities on Earth?

This seems more like another example of having the mind trained to see what's not there....I guess if I had "aliens on the brain" everyday... I too would probably see the same thing, but I'm doubting that because I require a bit more clarity than most seekers do.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/49303/8-cool-natural-earth-illusions

Peace

[ghostrider]

Does anyone have an opinion on the photo Randolph Winters states was taken by Billy Meier and was a picture of an American Satellite in orbit around Mars taken in 1975?

http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/2562.jpg

Yes. It's the Viking spacecraft:

http://www.donaldedavis.com/BIGPUB/VIKORB.jpg





Excellent. I'd wondered about that Billy Meier photo for years.

I have a straight, neutral question... is it known who or what took the photo?

it is said , this is a photo of a photo taken from Edward Albert Meiers great spacer journey in July 1975 at around 10:14 am ... some of the pictures were stolen and doctored and put out to discredit Billy , Quetzal knew of this and took all the negatives from the trip and destroyed them , so no more false images could be in circulation ...Wendell Stevens was given some real photos , and even some of his were stolen ...the ptb are scared of pictures from space not sanitized through their perspective ...

[The Castellan]

I would destroy NASA if I could. They're deceivers. They should be about looking for life out there and SHARING it, not covering it. They're useless to us if this is what they're doing.

But it's pathetic when skeptics attack someone who's only trying to find the truth. At least, this guy is more honest than NASA. An open mind will find the truth....

The guy sure was surprised to find the man. It looks like a man to me, too. I don't agree with the laundry on the line idea, but that was only a guess. It didn't mean it was that. It could have been a hunter and that was where he was hanging the carcasses.... Maybe Mars has hostile terrain and beasts roam around.....One guess is as good as another. We won't know for sure until NASA stops lying to us.

I'm all for the torches, pitchforks and nooses for NASA as well. Personally, I'd use the original copy of the Brookings Report to line my cat's basket with, since all it's actually good for is essentially toilet paper.


Ghostrider, personally, I personally hope something in space gets seen that gives the powers that be such a scare that they lose bowel control.

[gigha]

I seldom touch on this matter. But I do find it very interesting. My first wife told me about Mars, she pointed out that many musicians that had sung about it or even mentioned it. What she told me was that it was a place where entity's capable of inter plain travel would go to meet each other. It was a meeting place where they could come together and enjoy each others company. This could happen in a dream state from whatever dimension or plain you were in at the time. It was not something that she necessarily enjoyed. I awoke one morning to her with a broken rib. Not sure if this makes much sense but it might to someone on Avalon. Not even sure if this is where I should post this but oh well. Love gigha xx

[gigha]

Ok I have had a quick look at some of the video presented here. Does anyone really think it's real? Maybe a very very small part. I am no expert on video but it sure looks like propaganda to me. Ok I have not been on in a while maybe I should just go to bed. No offence meant.

[gigha]

Something from David Icke

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/nasa-tries-to-pass-off-mars-light-as-shiny-rock/

[swoods_blue]

Something from David Icke

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/nasa-tries-to-pass-off-mars-light-as-shiny-rock/

Eh, we dig a lot more deeply into that topic in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70293-Houston-Chronicle-NASA-photo-captures-strange-bright-light-coming-out-of-Mars) on Avalon.

At present, I'd have to rate this one as inconclusive, but most interesting because of the coincidence of TWO images taken a day apart in the same area, with the bright light on the horizon in both cases. It's sufficiently complex a little story that for most people, the eyes glaze over, LOL. Since you're interested, you may enjoy the thread.

[gigha]

I understand that you would feel that way, I think that was why I said that this might not be the place to post what I did. Sorry if it got the post off target. Enjoy the pictures. Lol Love gigha. Peace

[gigha]

It is my understanding that there are people from many dimensions that walk among us.
Does that make you skated ??

[The Castellan]

It is my understanding that there are people from many dimensions that walk among us.
Does that make you skated ??
My question is IF that is the case, why don't they smeggin' show themselves?

Aliens, angels, demons, etc, walking among us is not gonna make me feel any better unless I can see them and interact with them, it's like a guy who's got bad luck with women and some dude walks up to him and says, "Guess what, Marilyn Monroe wants to sleep with you, NOW." Not going to do him any good. Or that some guy gets told he won a million dollars and he gets a box full of old, Confederate dollar notes.

Ya dig?

[gigha]

Not sure that I dig. I would imagine that they don't show themselves because not too many of us could deal with them.
In saying that I think they do show themselves but how many amongst us would recognize them? Ya dig?



It is my understanding that there are people from many dimensions that walk among us.
Does that make you skated ??
My question is IF that is the case, why don't they smeggin' show themselves?

Aliens, angels, demons, etc, walking among us is not gonna make me feel any better unless I can see them and interact with them, it's like a guy who's got bad luck with women and some dude walks up to him and says, "Guess what, Marilyn Monroe wants to sleep with you, NOW." Not going to do him any good. Or that some guy gets told he won a million dollars and he gets a box full of old, Confederate dollar notes.

Ya dig?

[Cidersomerset]

From a earlier thread......http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34223-DARPA-CIA-Jump-Room-To-Mars......Andrew-Basiago-28th-Oct-2011...

Re: DARPA & CIA Jump Room To Mars......Andrew Basiago 28th Oct 2011...

I agree Onawah I have seen some of the PDF of the photos and some of them do
look like animals and the hominoid on the rock is clear, but you have to concentrate
and most is unclear.....

Andrews Original Disclosure Paper.....

http://www.projectmars.net/docs/research_papers/2008-12-12_MARS_Andrew_D_Basiago_The_Discovery_of_Life_on_Mars.pdf


http://www.animachina.com/images/Mars_Statue2.jpg

If thats weather erosion its pretty good, Looks to me like a female hominoid sitting
on a rock with a stick in her hand, or it could be a statue or a very unique rock.......
I've just worked out how to post pics so watch out...LOL ..steve

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What should be pointed out if it is a weathered rock how can it be the only bit of
rock sticking up like that in the landscape ??

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_04/MarsCloseUpBARC_800x394.jpg

http://topyaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/mars-pareidolia-03-670x440-130530.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/in_pictures_enl_1201079468/img/1.jpg

Where are the other weathered hominoids/statues/rocks..???

http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/p/alien-faces-59.html

[Cidersomerset]

Bob Deans claimed Mars Base....


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/Mariner/3769013451_5eaa1fe006.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/bob_dean_mars_base.jpg


http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID2912/images/250_DEAN_MARS_BASE.jpg

Possible Lake and vegetation ???.....

http://cwaydmr7.bigblog.com.au/data/5/28705/image/MarsLake03Colored466620090213171856.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34223-DARPA-CIA-Jump-Room-To-Mars......Andrew-Basiago-28th-Oct-2011...&p=351048#post351048

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Mars_Images_57_Mariner_9_Terminal.html

[Cidersomerset]

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.60.6/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png

15 April 2014 Last updated at 17:23


Early air points to cold, dry Mars
By Simon Redfern
Science writer

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74258000/jpg/_74258198_74258197.jpg

Mars The Martian surface is inhospitable today, but is thought to have once been favourable to life
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Scientists have worked out the characteristics of the air on Mars 3.6 billion years
ago.The work by a team of US researchers suggests that the thin atmosphere
would have led to cold, dry conditions on the planet.The results are important
because they shed light on how habitable Mars was billions of years ago, and how
long any surface water persisted.

Details have been published in the journal Nature Geoscience.

The scientists calculated the early Martian atmospheric pressure using patterns of
ancient meteor craters and dry river beds seen on its surface today.They used new
Mars orbiter data to test out an idea first proposed by Carl Sagan more than 20
years ago - that atmospheric pressure is recorded by the size of the smallest
impact craters.

The ancient Martian climate is inferred from the landscape of water-sculpted lakes
and river beds seen today. They show that liquid water must have existed on its
surface early in the planet's history. The new result, however, implies that Mars
was not a permanently warm wet world and that periods of arid, sub-zero
conditions existed.

River channels at Aeolis Dorsa, near Gale Crater on Mars, interweave with impact
craters, and it is the smallest of these craters that are key to the new findings.

The craters sit within riverbeds thought to be about 3.6 billion years old.

On planets with a thick atmosphere, small meteors break up and burn as fireballs,
never reaching the ground. But some of the craters at Aeolis Dorsa are only a few
tens of metres across, suggesting that quite small meteors made it through the thin
atmosphere.

Into thin air

The result raises questions about just how habitable Mars was billions of years ago,
and how long any surface water persisted.

"Our work has nudged me towards thinking that the conditions were mostly very
cold and very dry even on early Mars - similar to (Earth's) Antarctic Dry Valleys
today," lead author Dr Edwin Kite told BBC News.

"However, there is still plenty of microbial life even in the Antarctic Dry Valleys so
our work doesn't rule out an early environmental niche for life on Mars."

Although this method for measuring limits of atmospheric pressure on Mars was
suggested a couple of decades ago, it has only recently become possible with the
advent of high resolution images of the surface from extended missions like Nasa's
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter.

"The density of the atmosphere controls climate. And climate, in particular
temperature, determines whether liquid water can exist on the surface" said Prof
Michael Manga of the University of California, Berkeley, who was not involved in the study.

"Their inferred atmospheric pressure is low enough that the greenhouse gas would
not have been strong enough for liquid water to exist, except under the right
combination of rare orbital conditions."

Since the craters exist with rivers, water was clearly flowing at some point. But it
seems from these results that surface water was not permanently present on early
Mars, and that periods when the temperature got above freezing were rare or periodic.

Similar conclusions are suggested in a separate study published in the journal
Geology this week, where Steven Ruff, from Arizona State University, reports that
the chemical signature of early Mars minerals analysed by Nasa's Mars Exploration
Rover Spirit indicates they formed as an ephemeral lake dried out.

The latest study shows how Martian environments from billions of years ago can be
pieced together from evidence on its surface today.

Here on Earth, fossilised raindrop imprints that fell almost three billion years ago
have been used to infer our early atmosphere. Scientists like Dr Kite will doubtless
be looking out for such clues in any new results from explorations of the Red Planet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27039711

[Cidersomerset]

I have been looking at a couple earlier threads.....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43519-Rafael-Palacios-interviews-Henry-Deacon&p=463954#post463954

Rafael Palacios interviews Henry Deacon

With the lack of new witnesses and the crackdown with those who may, its worth
looking at those who have again...Bill and Kerry both thought very highly of Arthur and I
listened to this interview earlier to find some D3 info for another thread .But as I listened
I realised more at what he was trying to say....Near the end he talks about the web
and he said something that hit a accord with me, that in the near future we will not
need equipment to comunicate with each other.....It just ties in the the Ion material
for me !!...But its a good little interview well worth another listen imho ...Steve

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Arthur showing his official brown government passport, he mentions he is living off his disability pension,
which would leave him open financially ( speculation ).....

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Normal US passport....

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQMdC5JdaDXC7YJgSC5GGo3podlLIynLdGe7ivGAXlIPHwBpf1C


Arthur Showing his special passport...

[IMG]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvXzVZx-YrUCi6Ylp06pbT6dJw7s1MLphyL6i-y64CRoJMTsKw

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[Atlas]

If thats weather erosion its pretty good, Looks to me like a female hominoid sitting
on a rock with a stick in her hand, or it could be a statue or a very unique rock.......


http://www.saeti.org/human_figur_zoom.jpg

This "Little Martian" found by some internet users in late 2007 is actually no more than about 6 centimeters tall. The figur also known as the "Bigfoot on Mars" is about 5 meters away from the rover Spirit. The rover itself is about 2 meters in diameter and the hill on the horizon, called "Husband Hill" is half a mile away from the rover. The image was made from Spirit during November 6 and 9, 2007, and the "Martian" did not move, so he does not live. It's simply a very small rock. (source (http://www.saeti.org/index6.htm))

http://planetary.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/images/4-mars/2013/20130529_sasquatch_montage.png

[Atlas]

Bob Deans claimed Mars Base....

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/Mariner/3769013451_5eaa1fe006.jpg


The Airport Terminal - also known as Mariner 9 #4209-75

http://mars-news.de/mr9/07938353c.gif

This object is named in many books and other publications as "Airport-Terminal". Not one of those sources shows the correct image ID# for finding the original data in the NASA-archives. The best reference is from David Hatcher Childress' book Extraterrestrial Archeology, where the coordinates are given: 1.9°S 186.4°W and the image-ID 4209-75.

http://mars-news.de/mr9/07938353t.gif

Note, that the object is not a group of mesas rising out of the plains, as it is described in the sources named above. It is a system of trenches in an area over about 5 x 5 km2. The whole original image streches over an area of exact 55 x 42 km2.

http://mars-news.de/mr9/4209-75.html

[Atlas]

Arthur Showing his special passport...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvXzVZx-YrUCi6Ylp06pbT6dJw7s1MLphyL6i-y64CRoJMTsKw

It's an "Official" passport:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/United_States_passport_-_official_-_biometric.png/334px-United_States_passport_-_official_-_biometric.png

Official (brown cover): Issuable to citizen-employees of the United States assigned overseas, either permanently or temporarily, and their eligible dependents, and to members of Congress who travel abroad on official business. Also issued to US military personnel when deployed overseas. Period of validity: generally five years from the date of issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_passport#Types_of_passports