Five Traits That Could Get You "Abducted by Aliens" (article)

[Kalamos]

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Of course the pseudo-science pretty much run by tptb would love to marginalize the truth under some form of psychosis or disability. Next they come out with some new chemical straight jacket pill making more money on their pharmaceuticals, its the old double win trick tptb have been manipulating with psychology.

[Agape]

Calamus ... the problem is that while there may be 99 delusions , new age , hallucinations and sleep paralysis prone individuals to one genuine case of 'ET contact' attempt ( or 'alien abduction' as nicknamed by your mainstream media ) ,

these nutty doctors brainwashed by their education and peer reviews to unchangeable conviction in their opinion that itself exhibits traits of hysteria and psychopathy in certain extremes ,
not only can't discern between the two instances perhaps but can't be approached and trusted when something really happens to you.

Poking sticks to peoples wounds ..



Go mainstream :peace:

[Kalamos]

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The good thing is that it is being studied finally, so it is going mainstream.

the bad thing is that hey are told once again that they are nut cases. And the danger of it is to be classified as psychotic and once again shut up.

Abduction may also be something quite different than even what the UFOlogists of all kinds think it is.

[Agape]

The good thing is that they are TRYING, with what they have, which are concepts lacking the metaphysical/esoteric sciences.

On one side we have materialist trying to brush aliens under the hallucinatory rug, along with all other hallucinations...

And on the other end of the rug, all the hallucinations come crawling out and start flying around on a magic carpet in the New-Age-Ufology field.

Both sides can be closed minded, mind you. But everyone should be looking for answers, where there is not one unifying-ly correct and agreed upon one YET.

I think anyone that comes by spewing cosmologies and cosmogonies that they have recovered under hypnosis, or telepathy/channel (and I include my favored theosophy here), those people need to be examined as to their history and connections; and their ideas need to be examined as to their origins. Because some people are building off other people's delusions and lies, which seems to have been happening now for thousands of years, where Ufology is a modern example of it.

Something is happening to people, but they be being led to believe it is something it is not. There is a twisted game out there, and it looks like the making of a new religion.

Just so everyone is clear. I BELIEVE SOME PEOPLE HAVE ABDUCTION EXPERIENCES, but I don't believe that everyone that says they have had one, had one; and I also think the experience, when it is subjective and in house, might be different from when and IF anyone has ever been taken on a physical craft, like Adamski or Meier, both of whom have very questionable pasts and connections (not to mention their questionable evidence... yet 'believers' long to believe, on account of something missing in them ... which could be a Spiritual Void).


Calamus .. again... sorry , and no way I mean to be hard on you , you're our friend here right .. , pilgrim on search for truth as we all are ..

I see you make some genuine effort to understand 'the phenomenon' - but most of 'them' are not . It's not only that they miss , as you say , authentic , solid spiritual/philosophical base - their system a priori denies a possibility of existence of any such 'authentic spiritual base' - they are firm believers in materialistic dogma and worse , they don't even realise they are 'believers' .

The belief system they're brought in and under convinced them ( like many systems that preceded theirs ) that theirs is the 'reality view' .

Moreover ... the 'esoteric sources' you find posted and scattered around the internet are not, really not a key to understanding of your or anyones experiences .
What you call 'esoterics' is really a convoluted image on surface of far deeper lakes and streams ,
and like with many other sciences, you can't access the bottom without delving to its depth.

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Speaking of 'abduction experiences' , you should be really careful what you want to say .

You're correct in that there's too much nonsense circling around . 'Abduction' is 'abduction' , first of all .. it does not even come clear to me why some 'researcher wannabes' lined these two words together unless .. the aim was to lighten the theme , right from the start .

If you're abducted by mafia , you call it a crime, if it goes well .. can be even adventure, something quite traumatic and memorable in either case . You don't call it : 'my abduction experience' . ;)

People like Billy Meier or George Adamski are not 'abductees' either, they claim 'contact' with some form of ET intelligence, and in both /either cases, its source can not be verified .
To think that similarly evolved 'humanoids' come to say 'hello' from Pleiades or that they live on Venus is least to say , naive and scientifically bit out of the handle .
It does not mean that either of these people did not have some kind of 'ET contact experience' but once deception is involved,
the whole picture in the mirror becomes broken . And difficult nay impossible to trust .



In my best opinion .. if you want to look to 'genuine abduction cases' check those of Travis Walton , Betty&Barney Hill for starters .. and you'll realise that these individuals had no sleep paralysis, no faith in new age, and no 'regular morning hallucinations' and did not read about 'aliens' .


Myself ..I had zero faith or interest in 'ufology' before and unless I've seen in my own eyes in 2002 , in way YOU COULDN'T make up with your mind , I'd not put any importance to this subject whatsoever .

Confounding 'ET Contact' with Esoterics is another misnomer . It's mostly carried on by 'spiritualists' who replace 'psychologists' in older cultures and who are similarly, helpless ..in that they fail to be able to withstand a rarity of phenomena such as ET contact at side of the 'subjects' by simply denying the possibility altogether ,
and replacing it with one or another version of accepted 'shamanic story' .


To shortcut this all ... talking of this without personal experience is like trying to describe pains of motherhood for man , lets put it that way .
And there are many men who think they've got it right.


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The good thing is that it is being studied finally, so it is going mainstream.

the bad thing is that hey are told once again that they are nut cases. And the danger of it is to be classified as psychotic and once again shut up.

Abduction may also be something quite different than even what the UFOlogists of all kinds think it is.

It's a bogus, not a study .

[Kalamos]

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[Agape]

The chances are - just in case you've ever experienced anything close to 'ET Encounter' that you ( speaking of my own view and experience ) encounter system that is so different in its complexity from human version of psychology, science , not to mention 'spirituality' that you will recognise its existence clearly as a day ,
that you'll very hard to 'translate it' to current human vocabulary
and you'll feel difficulty with discussing it , altogether .

Thinking that highly sophisticated non-human reality can be explained by some kind of dream or mind alteration is grossly misguiding.

It's extremely difficult to describe things clearly or introduce clear concept of 'alien life' to information field that is literally infested by millions of stories, versions of truth, convictions, theories ..

It maybe as you say - that one day the truth will be introduced to here in Big Bang manner for all to see .. or not because the difference in space-time continuums is allowing only 'soft'' time-space convergence' and it's only the 'refined human' ( in best sense ) who meets the 'ETI' .

And there again, it's his open mind , absence of indoctrination ( so rare these days ) and crystal clear intellect that is required to encounter 'the other world' rather than mind prone to delusions..

hope you agree


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[Kalamos]

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[Agape]

It is a study. It's not the Cabal putting this out to discredit others. Good people are looking for answers from every angle, but we are all influenced by our mental complexes and emotional ties.

http://jep.textrum.com/index.php?art_id=55#.Uzv0GZHD8m8 but it is a study, not bogus.

There are many 'mock' studies like this , on many more mundane topics . If you don't understand it's not about 'ET Encounters'
but about 'human psychology' trying to explain mock experiences ( NOT ET Encounters ) ,

it probably looks good to you.

I should not have talked to this at all, sorry . It's plums and apples .


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[eaglespirit]

The bottom line, imho...
is still simple, pure, strong, selfless LOVE for One Another, Now!!!!

[carryattune]

Oddly enough, the aliens need us, I believe, because we create. We can create unspoiled pristine beautiful, world. Gardens of nature. Earth, unsullied. If the aliens are interfering with us, it is because they cannot do this.
We create new and wonderous. I feel that they then, inhabit it. Then we are left with the park after they have used it up. We are moved into what once was clean and new. Then we are filled with the belief that we are the ones causing the destruction.
Maybe our creator made our instinct for home so strong, that when we are faced with this disaster we are living in right now. We feverishly build a new structure for our future. But it is stolen. I don't know, but some strange things have happened to me the last few days. Whatever. It sounds off the wall. But I know what I was shown. But I don't know what it means. But I do believe we can get stuck in a rut. Then if we are not vigilant, when someone brings a truely new thought into the room. We tell them to sit down and mind their place.

[Agape]

This is the thing, I see abductions as a paranormal experience. By definition.

I wasn't abducted, but I was blasted by energy last year. Because I had a reference point in esoterics and spirituality, I could make some sense of it. At times I could have and wanted to start proclaiming the my deeper insists and ideas going through my mind, which were kin to contact experiences, but I checked myself, for the most part, and strangely enough found myself 'here' being mind controlled by the disinfo: mental (IDEAS) implants, soul traps--fear and escapism paradigms.

I had to fight my way out, and run the hell away from here, only to come back to try and help, but instead learned an even worse dynamic about the internet and especially forums like this (no offense to anyone).

We all have played a part, but words come short.

Those who help the most, say nothing at all, perhaps (or they type in codes).

We'll see where it goes.



Calamus, with hesitation natural to me in matters of public discussion about these matters ..

'abductions' ( wonder who fools made the impression that those are happening on mass scale but I better won't rise that question ) are not 'paranormal experience' .

The use of the term 'paranormal' on serious science/research grounds , after all that's been established and discussed ..from physics of quantum fields, consciousness and neurofeedback, to never yet answered questions about the origins of life and existence of God .. is something unacceptably unqualified .

I understand you want to say , and I recall you've repeated and expressed your views on this board many times .. that you're not 'believer' in reality of the ET phenomenon and consider it some kind of psycho-spiritual experience .

It's what the mainstream science still contains . You may not realise that the reason why the truth and reality of this 'phenomenon' is actually not being investigated by competent mainstream authorities ( except for mock cases that CAN be resolved with help of regression and other therapies ) is that the tabu proclaimed over the existence of ETI is holding very strong .

I understand exactly where you come with your doubts about the subject ... and too many times,
I simply regret being here , talking to people over such poorly means .. distances that are bound to remain misunderstood . It's not feeling either very real or spiritual for either of us I suspect .. at least not what my life was and used to be , in real time.


....the truth is out of here ...


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[Sidney]

To me, this looks just like another mainstream disinfo campaign, designed to discredit anyone claiming to have an experience. It reeks of mainstream illigitimacy. My humble opinion anyway.

[Agape]

And there's something I would safely advice to you and everyone who desire 'genuine' spiritual path, experiences and progress ...

forget about 'aliens' . Or dealings ( or what you presume to be dealings ) with other worldly entities of all and any sort . You really don't need it on your spiritual path .

Neither will any sort of such path bring about 'ET encounters' . ETs seem to contact whom they choose at times convenient to them, in way we can not humanly predict .

It drives everyone about the same mad ..

[pugwash84]

seems lame and like they are trying to use science to explain everything, even the unexplainable. Sometimes you have to admit at times that you just don't know !! Don't be ashamed not to know everything !!

[shadowstalker]

Five Traits That Could Get You "Abducted by Aliens"
Research suggests traits could lead to "alien abduction" experiences
Published on July 23, 2012 by Graham C.L. Davey, Ph.D. in Why We Worry


Are you worried about being abducted by aliens? I suspect it will cross the mind of some of you reading this post that alien abduction is a possibility. After all, many people worldwide have claimed to have been abducted by aliens, been taken against their will to an alien spacecraft or enclosed place, questioned or physically examined, and they remember these experiences either consciously or through methods such as hypnosis. Indeed, many of those people who claim to be alien abductees are seemingly sincere, psychologically healthy, nonpsychotic people—so are their experiences real and their claims to have been abducted true?

Professor Rich McNally and his colleagues at Harvard University have spent over 10 years researching the psychology of alien abductees, and in particular why it is that some people embrace the identity of “alien abductee." His research has isolated a number of traits possessed by ‘alien abductees’ each of which he argues contributes to the experiences they recall when ‘being abducted’ and to the desire to cling on to their belief that aliens were responsible for their abduction experiences. Let’s look at each of these five traits in turn.



1. Regularly experiencing sleep paralysis and hallucinations when awakening: Many people who have reported alien abduction suffer episodes of early morning sleep paralysis. On awakening from this paralysis, their terror gives rise to hallucinations of flashing lights and buzzing sounds. Some experience feelings of ‘floating’ around the room or seeing figures in the room. While many people interpret these post-sleep paralysis experiences as dreaming, some people interpret these experiences as seeing figures, ghosts, or aliens.

2. Tendency to Recall False Memories: In an elegant set of experimental studies, McNally and colleagues found that individuals who claimed to have been abducted by aliens were prone to what is known as “false memory syndrome." That is, alien abductees regularly claimed to recall words, items, sentences, etc. in memory tests that they had never actually seen before. If this “false memory” affect can be generalized to autobiographical memories, then individuals who claim to have been abducted by aliens would be twice as likely to “falsely remember” things that had never happened to them than would non-abductees.

3. High levels of “Absorption”: Alien abductees also score significantly higher than most people on the mental characteristic known as ‘absorption.' This is a trait related to fantasy proneness, vivid imagery, and susceptibility to hypnosis and suggestion. Because of this it is probably not surprising that many alien abductees recall their experiences under hypnosis, where memories of abduction can be induced through suggestibility—especially if the person leading the hypnosis session asks particularly leading questions about abduction.

4. New Age beliefs: Being whisked up into space ships by tractor beams or light sources is not something that happens every day—nor is it something that is easily explainable within our existing knowledge of physics. Similarly, being subjected to imaginative medical procedures requires a tendency to accept unusual and non-mainstream ideas. This is also a trait possessed by ‘alien abductees.' They score highly on measures of magical ideation and endorse New Age ideas that encompass beliefs about alternative medicines and healing, astrology, and fortune telling. Such beliefs would certainly allow the individual to accept things happening to them that would be dismissed by existing scientific knowledge.

5. A familiarity with the cultural narrative of alien abduction: As a cultural phenomenon, alien abduction has entered folklore and the images and descriptions of aliens and their spacecraft have become familiar to many people. Alien abductees tend to be very familiar with this cultural narrative which is one possible reason why their descriptions of aliens and their spaceships are so similar—being fuelled as they are by sci-fi films and numerous books about aliens and alien abduction.

As Professor McNally points out in a very readable review of his studies on alien abduction, it is still unclear whether all these characteristics are necessary ingredients in the recipe for ‘alien abduction’ or whether some are more necessary than others. Other researchers have also identified further traits that appear to be characteristic of ‘alien abductees’, such as paranoid thinking and weak sexual identity. There is still much more research to do to fully understand the motivations and thinking patterns of individuals who claim to have been abducted by aliens, but as McNally shrewdly points out, these people are not anxious nor depressed, they are not psychotic and do not appear to have any obvious mental health problems. ‘Alien abduction’ experiences often deepen spiritual awareness and give shape to the identities of abductees and provide a basis for their beliefs about the world and the universe. Whether the experiences of abduction were real or not, the experiences and interpretations adopted by ‘alien abductees’ are often psychologically helpful and can be spiritually comforting.

Finally, a note of caution. All of these studies of ‘alien abductees’ were carried out after they had their abduction ‘experiences’, so it’s difficult to know whether these five traits are consequences of the experience or were—as McNally suggests—factors that led individuals to interpret rather earthly experiences (such as sleep paralysis and hallucinations) as evidence of abduction. And then— perhaps fantastically—can we genuinely rule out the possibility that such traits are implanted in their victims by aliens in invasive medical procedures carried out on alien space ships! My skeptical, scientific mind says probably not—but who knows?!

[Agape]

seems lame and like they are trying to use science to explain everything, even the unexplainable. Sometimes you have to admit at times that you just don't know !! Don't be ashamed not to know everything !!

I think that's about .. they're trying to explain this by means known to them because if they admit , even for a moment , that we'd be dealing with ET intelligence / encounters here , in any unchecked manner .. they have no knowledge , not officially, no guide lines, nothing to offer .

I had a 4 hour long chat on the topic with friend - Jungian psychologist , who invited me and seriously 'wanted to know' . Wanted to learn something ..
at the end and long after I was gone he created conference contribution called 'ET in Us' but I've never reviewed his paper .

Through out our discussion , as 'traditional jungian psychologist' he balanced himself around the idea of archetypes and psycho-spiritual crisis as motives of human evolution .. and what do I have to say to this ...
somewhat in the spirit as Calamus does .

Sometimes he 'crossed over to my side' .. with really interesting and precious views ..

one good example he gave me and that enlightened the discussion was a son of carpenter ( archetypal man ) being invited to Kings palace and unexpectedly allowed to stay and enjoy its luxuries that he or none of his caste had ever seen before ( here the Kings palace symbolises the advanced ET environment ) ,
only to be returned back to his house .. unexpectedly again, after some time . With little if any profit .
Is he ever going to be happy about his life again, was the question ...

not easy to answer straight .

In the same manner , he tried to show me .. that without personal knowledge , some kind of expertise and experience majority of todays science simply do not have,
there's very little assistance and views that can be safely offered by them .

And at the end of every good story .... each returns to their own ..

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I find it interesting that lots of military and NASA people report UFO/alien abduction.
And they had no reason to lie, no reason to want to sleep in the winter woods for a night, no reason to make up stories that could prevent them from going on another mission, etc.

It is the professionals who report alien contact who should be setting the standard for what is believable; yes, it could be psyops, but some of the older accounts posted on here (Youtube of some military personnel) sounded very genuine to me.

Some of the stuff Bobd looks into is also very real (cattle mutilation etc. with high tech instruments). It's also very scary.

With human beings, given our propensity to remember things and tattle shortly after, any species meddling with us has to be more careful not to leave evidence behind.
Including details of the encounter that might allow other humans to track the invaders back home!

So, as an open-minded skeptic, I am saying, it's 100% possible.
The MSM could write an article claiming that earthquakes only strike evil people, and it would be just as ridiculous as discounting the plethora of alien contact stories that persist.

The fact that the issue keeps coming back, won't die, is enough for me to think, "there's something to this".

Kind of like the weird animal/Chupucabra controversy going on in Texas right now.
Who would have thought that a tree-climbing fruit-eating naked dog with Lemur eyes actually existed?
But it does! @_@

[Daughter of Time]

I and a number of members of this forum have asked Simon Parkes about ET abductions. Why and who do they abduct? While there are many reasons, some of which are as simple as the need for human sperm, ova and DNA to help their dying races reproduce, there are other, more complex reasons they abduct humans and that is to study them.

One trait which has repeatedly come up is human psychic abilities. ETs love to study humans who are highly intuitive since intuition does not seem to be an ET trait and this ability makes them extremely curious.

Even though the ET races who abduct humans are highly intellectually and technologically evolved, they do not possess emotions, therefore they like to study humans who are highly creatively emotional, especially those with artistic abilities. ETs do not compose music. They do not write books and plays. They do not make movies. They do not create beautiful paintings. They do not design beautiful jewelry and fashions, etc., as these seem to be purely human abilities which entice ETs into getting to know why we humans do such things. I don't know whether they are envious or whether they think we are utterly frivolous.

Anyhow, those are some of the most the desired traits, to the best of my knowledge.

The traits in the OP basically state how the abductee feels after abduction, which may not be traits the abductee intrinsically possesses, so that article is misguiding, in my opinion.

[STR]

I have had so much psychology in my schooling that I'm sure if I gathered all my transcripts on it I could probably get another notch under my belt for school credits and degrees but all it taught me, although I do enjoy the subject, I have to admit all it taught me is that you have to be half nuts to understand it or study it! Seriously one could make strong argument that Jung, and Pavlov, and Freud, and more were certifiable themselves and in at least one case a druggie as well! Yet these were embraced for the most part by the field while Mesmer in his day before them and others were called the nuts. This until some enterprising young researchers looked into this 'animal magnetism' stuff again and brought it back out to reexamine.

It may be they were the ones ahead of the curve but at first they were shut down. Much as Sheldrake was on TED talks. He'll be embraced in the future tho, just like Mesmer. Mesmer certainly has been proven accurate by many researchers since then. Have you ever wondered where the term, 'you are such a Nancy' comes from? Mesmer showed enough to convince a man named Liebeaunault (sp) that there was something to using hypnosis as a anesthetic and so this guy Liebeaunault began working with a doctor Bernheim. Over time the number of adherents to Mesmer's views became known as the 'Nancy School' and that came under attack by another major school of the time under a French Hospital as I recall. Charcot I think. Jean-Martin Charcot yes. He was out of Paris and that school was at odds with the Nancy School. So this is one of, if not the earliest debates in the history of modern psychology. The Nancy school of thought won out at the time which led to the beginnings of modern "psychoanalysis'. The book by Freud and Breuer from like 1795 or maybe it was 6 I don't remember but they in Studies in Hysteria laid the ground work for all we talk about regarding the unconscious. In other words we may be dealing with nothing more than our own unconscious intelligence. Freud seemed to conclude this that the outward is actually the inward battle.

[shadowstalker]

To me, this looks just like another mainstream disinfo campaign, designed to discredit anyone claiming to have an experience. It reeks of mainstream illigitimacy. My humble opinion anyway.
Keep to you instincts on this. I totally agree.

Better yet?
Five Traits That Could Get You "Abducted by Aliens" And Mil-Ab

Don't send your children to get evald.

I.E. more underground testing..

[Buck]

in human form we have a unique capacity that attracts other forms to us

It is the treasure that is available to all, and yet securely protected for all time from the unworthy. It is our the riches of a thousand kings, hidden in plain sight

We humans are the sacred vessel that is referenced in alchemy. We transform energy (thought) into form (matter). We are pure energy, and yet we have manifested in physical form in a duality based reality. We can create portals, jump dimensions using bridges and doors we create out of thin air, we can build entire worlds, and then instantly transport ourselves there, we walk on water after creating the ocean, we can unpack mysteries that we ourselves write, we can walk through thresholds that never existed until we thought of them, all of this is and more, so much more. Other forms of energy, other entities can participate in other ways, many ways that humans are incapable of doing. But only in human form, in this duality, can the energy of love dance with such ease.

We are that which we dare dream of. And, to the topic of this thread- I think it is worth considering the possibility that this capacity that humans have for transmutation is attractive to many other entities. And if so, I think would follow that it is possible this could be at the root of a lot of the challenges we face in regards to parasitic entities, abductions, etc.

How ironic is it, that as we battle the unwanted overtures of sociopathic alien species and parasitic entities, as we attempt to wake up and remember our vast magnificent potential, existing within this manifest duality means we can't even find our way out of bed some mornings :)