A look inside an underground city. Is this the ultimate proof?

[Eram]

Hi friends,

Jesse Ventura managed to drive (with camera's rolling) into a so called underground city in the Ozarks USA.

The existence of real underground cities has always been a big question mark for me, since I've never seen a valid proof for it.

It looks pretty conclusive to me that there are indeed such things as modern, self sustainable underground cities which can house thousands of people.

see for yourself: At 7:20 min into the youtube, they drive into the cave.
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Here's the whole show:
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At least, this proofs to me that there are groups of people who are planning for the worst and spend no expense to build hide-outs like these. What would it cost to build an underground city of this quality of 50.000.000 square feet?
It must be billions of not much more.

[Eram]

According to this truck driver, he drove a truck all the way to Maine one time.

AzvobMUgeds

That would be something eh?

[Joanne Shepard]

Evidence of underground cities existed in ancient global civilizations. Why they did it then is why were still doing it today. Wild really

[Matt P]

There's a lot more down there than just underground cities, with high speed rail connecting them.
You need to think bigger.

Matt

[sirdipswitch]

Underground cities? Can't show you a city, but can show you one of the tunnel systems that goes to them.

Go to Netflix. From the home page, hover curser on "Watch instantly", then click on TV shows. Find "Surface". Go to episode 14. Adavance to 35:26, and you will see him go from the truck to the unloading dock, where there is "Cryogenic Chambers", awaiting to be tranasfered to the "Trains", at 39:01, and shows a "Massive" tunnel system, with trains going underground. Then go to episode 15, at 17:41, for another view of the tunnel. Hmm. Strangeness is, that "This" view, shows also, the very same view, with the very same train leaving the tunnel. And, look in the window, in lower left corner, and you will see;

Track - 04; Train - 19; "Destination" - Marianas Trench!!

Marianas Trench? West side of Pacific, along side of Mariana Islands, and goes to a depth of more than 23,000 feet!!

Is there a city down there? Under the ocean floor??

Disclosure anyone?? Could this one little video clip, be the real, and only reason, that this movie was made??

Could we, in spirit form, go down there and check them out??? yep.

[cursichella1]

Underground cities? Can't show you a city, but can show you one of the tunnel systems that goes to them..."Destination" - Marianas Trench!!

Some interesting, related stuff on Naval submarine passages under California. Not the first time I've heard of this but not sure if true. Considering the faults that run under CA, doesn't seem like a stable spot for this kind of thing!

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_sociopol_underworld01.htm

That particular Jesse Ventura show was very interesting. There are currently 7 banks in the town of Mountain View, about 1 bank per 100 people. And much more...definitely worth a watch.

[MorningFox]

Interesting, I guess, but looks more like an underground car lot/park than a 'city'...

[Eram]

Interesting, I guess, but looks more like an underground car lot/park than a 'city'...

I can see how you come to that conclusion when you look at it at first glance morningfox, but when you look a little closer, you will see that there's a lot that doesn't add up for it to be a car lot/park.

The ceilings are a lot higher then a usual parking lot, high enough for a eighteen wheeler truck to fit under (look at 7:48 min in the first youtube where you can see a truck driving)
There are docking and loading platforms for trucks.
You see doors which lead to who knows what that you wouldn't expect to see in an underground parking lot.

[ginnyk]

My husband and I were truck drivers in this area. We did drive into caves in Missouri to pick up freight from loading docks many, many times. If you ever ate cheese on a McDonalds product, there is a good chance that's where its storage life began - before it was shipped to all parts of the U.S. The constant underground temperature makes caves an excellent location to warehouse food and beverages - especially beer.

We did not ever hear of any drivers going cross country through tunnels and I personally find it difficult to believe. Truckers knew about going viral long before it became an internet term - they called it CB radio and during long night hours on the road, no subject is off limits. It seems to me that this would have been a long standing "urban legend" among truckers. Just sayin'.

There are so many logging and hours of service regulations and dozens of legal requirements that require a whole lot of administrative personnel to maintain, that it seems incomprehensible that regular trucking companies are involved as implied in some of the clips I have seen. It is fun to speculate though.

Gin

[Eram]

Thank you very much for this input Ginnyk.

This puts the whole show of Jesse Venture in an whole other perspective doesn't it?
Chances are that he fully knows about the purposes of these caves but withheld this info just to get a nice TV show going (to put it mildly)

Here you can see the storage of cheese in Missouri:
http://magazine.good.is/articles/photo-kraft-s-massive-underground-cheese-cave-in-springfield-missouri

This would also explain the absence of any present security.

OK.... proof of secret underground city..... BUSTED!!! :)

Here's some more info on the underground storage facilities in Missouri, with a picture of the entrance that Jesse used in his show. (what a hoaxer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubTropolis

[Wind]

I think that Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory has only comical value.

[greybeard]

The number of people required to build under ground cities would run into hundreds if not thousands.
If you think of how many people you personally know that gives a multiplication factor.
Just as an example say one thousand are required to build a city and each knows just ten people, then all of a sudden that's ten thousand people who might just have an idea of what you are doing.
I doubt very much that such an enterprise could be kept secret.
Even if they were all army personnel, they have wives and families too.
Not saying its impossible but it would be extremely difficult to keep secret.
Lorry driver net work etc.

Chris

[Eram]

That is normally my main argument that keeps me from buying into these kind of conspiracies Chris.

They had me fooled this time, just by trusting Jesse to be honest about his observations.

[Cardillac]

according to Joseph Farrell the N***s built underground cities in a matter of months (like during the 1930's); are we to naively assume no-one anywhere got any faster since then?- if one is truly interested in DUMBS read the Richard Sauder books/material; they are much more revealing than Ventura's spewings (after all, he never let's us forget he was a former Navy Seal- gosh!)-

and since when has Jesse Ventura ever investigated anything new?- everything he has ever extrapolated upon was exposed long before his verbalizations/films ever came into existence; he's a 'repeater' claiming to be a 'revealer'- then it's show-time...

stay well all-

Larry

[Kalamos]

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[ginnyk]

Interesting, Calamus. We did Fed X White Glove for a short time too. The storage facility you are talking about might be VA records. My daughter worked her way through collage employed there. Nothing weird, just another govt. facility. It could be the temp. had to be controlled to protect computer tapes, like not letting film get overheated. The caves stay at about 60 degrees year around. Most likely, it was just govt. waste spending.

Gin

[DeDukshyn]

Thank you very much for this input Ginnyk.

This puts the whole show of Jesse Venture in an whole other perspective doesn't it?
Chances are that he fully knows about the purposes of these caves but withheld this info just to get a nice TV show going (to put it mildly)

Here you can see the storage of cheese in Missouri:
http://magazine.good.is/articles/photo-kraft-s-massive-underground-cheese-cave-in-springfield-missouri

This would also explain the absence of any present security.

OK.... proof of secret underground city..... BUSTED!!! :)

Here's some more info on the underground storage facilities in Missouri, with a picture of the entrance that Jesse used in his show. (what a hoaxer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubTropolis

It's not weird or new at all to have underground "cities" and storages. Montreal has a huge underground section (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_City,_Montreal) of the city that many do not know about. Many cities have underground areas / counterparts, much of this was built during the early cold war era where it made a lot of sense to do so based on fear levels of nuclear death for anyone above ground.

So here we have persistent "reasoning" for underground facilities that lines up a little with the conspiracy theory that the elite need to hide from above ground war or catastrophe of some sort. It all makes sense whether you want to add the modern conspiracy to it or not.

With tens of thousands spy satellites circling the globe - both government and private, you can bet most all remotely classified military activities occur underground. The big thing spy agencies watch is transportation of equipment and goods -- the only way to keep your enemies from knowing everything you do is to take it under gound and transport via methods under gound. We know the US military has some of the best tunnel-boring machines in the world, do you think they use them or do they sit in a trash heap somewhere after paying millions of dollars to have them built? Does it not make 100% sense that these boring machines are used to connect military bases underground so the transport of supplies equipment and vehicles can happen without the "enemy" noticing?


If the US military, at least, does not have underground bases / cities and connecting tunnels, they have wasted scores of million$ on the equipment that accommodate exactly this ability and are exposing all their activities on the surface where every Joe with access to a satellite image can see. Does that sound logical? It only makes sense that they exist and are used -- it would not be any other way. So I don't need any "proof" or video from Jesse to know these facilities exist -- they obviously do if one gives any faith to deductive reasoning.

What they are exactly used for, how vast the network is (and who all has access), and what the intended future plans are, are other questions; that unfortunately have to be answered by conspiracy theories at this point in time.

My 2 cents.

If you don't look at things with conspiracy eyes, sometimes you can see things that would have naturally been actually "expected" as route. Not necessarily a conspiracy ...

Underground facilities have the excellent benefit of not having to be heated / cooled much - the temps stay fairly consistent, although you do need lots of air ..


EDIT:
A few facts on the underground city in Montreal:






" With over 32 km (20 mi) of tunnels spread over more than 12 km2 (4.6 sq mi), connected areas include shopping malls, apartment buildings, hotels, condominiums, banks, offices, museums, universities, seven metro stations, two commuter train stations, a regional bus terminal and the Bell Centre amphitheatre and arena."

[ghostrider]

They have been building underground cities since at least the 1950's ... one of the geologist/engineers involved was found dead in his apartment , strangled with piano wire ... you think they really spend 50 bucks on a hammer ???

[gittarpikk]

Ok... lets just 'follow the dirt' ...like they say 'follow the money'

there must be some humongous mountains(manmade) nearby

another thought.... they're obviously not done either... looks like at least several more years left to finish that building... Puts me in mind of the contact records of Billy Meir . The predictions that 2014 was more or less the beginning of a the building of the new paradigm coming and that 2028 it was to arrive...14 more years to go...with a LOT contained therein.


Feel there will be a 'last stand' possibly either in the middle of the 'kaos' the people wise up or after the 'solution' is offered and found to be more of the same....they stand...and usher in the new age.

[ceetee9]

At least, this proofs to me that there are groups of people who are planning for the worst and spend no expense to build hide-outs like these. What would it cost to build an underground city of this quality of 50.000.000 square feet?
It must be billions of not much more.And the real beauty of this is that they are building these facilities for themselves with the hard-earned money of the public. But I'm sure we can all agree that it's much more important to maintain the "Continuity of Government" and the criminal factions who own them than it is to burden the sleeping masses with the knowledge of such things from which they will never benefit but for which they will all pay. :rolleyes:

[Referee]

Here you go.........

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[DeDukshyn]

At least, this proofs to me that there are groups of people who are planning for the worst and spend no expense to build hide-outs like these. What would it cost to build an underground city of this quality of 50.000.000 square feet?
It must be billions of not much more.And the real beauty of this is that they are building these facilities for themselves with the hard-earned money of the public. But I'm sure we can all agree that it's much more important to maintain the "Continuity of Government" and the criminal factions who own them than it is to burden the sleeping masses with the knowledge of such things from which they will never benefit but for which they will all pay. :rolleyes:


... And let us not forget the USA has an "on the books" black budget of billions annually - imagine what it actually is "off the books"? ;)

[ceetee9]

Interesting, I guess, but looks more like an underground car lot/park than a 'city'...

I can see how you come to that conclusion when you look at it at first glance morningfox, but when you look a little closer, you will see that there's a lot that doesn't add up for it to be a car lot/park.

The ceilings are a lot higher then a usual parking lot, high enough for a eighteen wheeler truck to fit under (look at 7:48 min in the first youtube where you can see a truck driving)
There are docking and loading platforms for trucks.
You see doors which lead to who knows what that you wouldn't expect to see in an underground parking lot.
And let's not even consider why anyone would build such an enormous UNDERGROUND parking lot in a town of less than 4000 people in the middle of nowhere. ;)

[Kalamos]

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[william r sanford72]

when i was about 17 gotta job during the summer for the school system.placed at a high school...town of about twenty thousand...now this part coulda gott me hemmed up.so only a few people new.anyways..working alone in the boiler rooms i found a old trap door.screwed shut.small.curious i un did the screws..opened it up and found a tunnel...followed a few feet realized it went pretty far..closed it up.made things look like they were.and i came back after hours.yup..tresspass etc..i know...well about 100 yards in and crawling basicly the tunnel gott bigger and seen the first fall out shelter notice..the first place i came up outt of and into 30 min later was the junior high school.and from there to other buildings..all the way down town.to shops.couple houses even.spent the summer exploring.most plce i was in and seen hadnt ben touch in 25 years atleast.suspect most were forgotten about.i dont find it hard to wrap my head around miles and miles of tunnels or a city underneath our feet..and never even know.
truth always.
william.

[TelosianEmbrace]

Perhaps the most extensive collation of reports of underground cities and the like is Branton's 'Project Redbook'.

About Branton.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_branton.htm

Branton's Red Book.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/offlimits/esp_offlimits_6.htm

I always glean a little bit more every time I read it. Some fascinating accounts and encounters from over the decades.

The guy with the piano wire for a necklace was Phil Schneider, a modern martyr. He took part in the infamous Human/alien war at Dulce. Well worth the watch.

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[MorningFox]

Interesting, I guess, but looks more like an underground car lot/park than a 'city'...

I can see how you come to that conclusion when you look at it at first glance morningfox, but when you look a little closer, you will see that there's a lot that doesn't add up for it to be a car lot/park.

The ceilings are a lot higher then a usual parking lot, high enough for a eighteen wheeler truck to fit under (look at 7:48 min in the first youtube where you can see a truck driving)
There are docking and loading platforms for trucks.
You see doors which lead to who knows what that you wouldn't expect to see in an underground parking lot.


Well sure, but it's still absolutely nothing like a city...

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I think though people are taking pretty conventional views of how these places are constructed. if an underground city was being built, considering the tech available to black ops this could be done with minimal effort and alot less people that you may think.

Consider 3-d Printing. Look at contour crafting, which basically is machinery that can build a house in as little as 24 hours. it is not beyond the realms of possibility that this could be done efficiently and quickly with the tech available.

[Matt P]

The number of people required to build under ground cities would run into hundreds if not thousands.
If you think of how many people you personally know that gives a multiplication factor.
Just as an example say one thousand are required to build a city and each knows just ten people, then all of a sudden that's ten thousand people who might just have an idea of what you are doing.
I doubt very much that such an enterprise could be kept secret.
Even if they were all army personnel, they have wives and families too.
Not saying its impossible but it would be extremely difficult to keep secret.
Lorry driver net work etc.

Chris

Chris, you are forgetting a couple very important points to this. First, the technology to construct the underground bases is such that perhaps not as many people as you think would be required to do the work. Two, there are MANY underground bases all over the world. To the people who work on them and in them, it is not so uncommon or secretive. Three, these are military installations. There are simply not as many leaks of information when you have to sign on to remain quiet under threat of jail, death or harm to your family. The largest and most significant military/civilian project in our history, the Manhattan Project, was kept secret for a very long time. But these bases have not been. There have been many to come forward. Secrets don't have to be kept, just managed.
Just because something seems impossible absolutely does not mean it is.
Matt