JFK reverse speeches that may help reveal

[mojo]

We will probably never know the whole truth behind what happened... reverse speech is intriguing though...

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[GreenGuy]

I have a hard time taking reverse speech seriously. Assuming that it's even possible for the subconscious to formulate significant messages this way, what amazing logistics would be required of our brains' speech centers to choose the specific words that could be played backwards to make the sounds that express the message? But what do I know.

I lived in Dallas for almost 25 years, and during that time it was a sort of hobby of mine to investigate the assassination. Dealey Plaza, the Texas Book Depository, and the grassy knoll are all still there, just as they were. Across the Trinity river in Oak Cliff, Oswald's old rooming house is still owned by the same lady - or was when I lived there. The Texas Theatre is still there. Jack Ruby's old apartment building, just across the river with a spectacular view of downtown, was a seedy flop house when I was last there.

I know there were two "Oswalds." One was arrested at the Texas Theatre. Another was arrested elsewhere. This alone suggests both a conspiracy and a fall guy.

One aspect of the assassination was never looked at, as far as I know: just a few miles from downtown Dallas is a small suburban airport called Red Bird Field. In 1963 it may have been a dirt runway, but it was there. While chaos reigned downtown and the hunt for Lee Oswald took place in Oak Cliff, the real killers could have been in the air in a small plane within 20 minutes of the shooting.

[Rex]

I have a hard time taking reverse speech seriously.

Don't give up on it just yet. Just a friendly suggestion, that's all. :)

update - Just wanted to add, it's important to make sure the reverse speech engineer has a good track record. For example, I'd certainly trust just about any reversal from David Oates. I can't comment on "ShawnHS" above.

[Cardillac]

if my read sources are correct Thomas Alva Edison liked to play his recordings in reverse (for whatever reason); if my read sources are correct Thomas Alva Edison was Nikola Tesla's first employer after Tesla's immigration to the United States (did Edison recruit him?- don't know); if my read sources are correct Edison tried to cheat Tesla out of his money- and as we all know many of Tesla's inventions have been falsely attributed to other personas (like start with "Marconi's" wireless communication)-

reverse speech sounds just so mumbled (as I'm a professional musician I'm more than aware of how one perceives sound and the various/arbitrary interpretations of it) so I figure one can hear a lot of things as one wishes to in reversed garble (then add political rhetoric for good measure; and it's all "forward" speech)-

please be well all-

Larry

[Alien Ramone]

In the video, the text on the screen isn't what I heard.

I heard "Had to serve Chavin." not "Had to serve Charlie."

I heard "Shall I perskip sedute? Never." not "Shall I receive salute? Never."

I heard "I made that stupid man tell on us." not "I know that stupid man tell on us."

I heard "That's Knee issue that Hell prevent." not "That's an issue that I'll prevent."

I heard "Now says is a fib." not "I felled citizen."

I heard "Shaw, we have been pushed by you." not "Saw the Oedipus value."

I heard "Be theoretic. Be wrong." not "He beheaded hero."

I heard "That's offset the man chair." not "Let's offset an answer."

I heard "Yid sill lie" which is close enough to "It's a lie"

I heard "This hipid dom aboard Sibith." not "It's no good that I'm a poison."

I heard "Van been get nine oint of fish gills." not "Command they get ran on, officials."

I heard "Ooh, may they that they're out some nuts of a Palin." not "Who admitted that they're also not going to tell."

I heard "From the pureth of a piss a me." not "End the truth of epitome."

I heard "Force exit he was a small white fat fatha fadden sootha." not "Perception is a smaller threat than a garden shooter."

I heard "Fast in the talk, we'll set it up." not "After the talk, we'll set it up."

I heard "One more. You might be Poptart." not "On order my department."

I heard "So I've used to listen to Mayor." not "So fearful was the mayor."

I heard "Let's slay and show 'em your ore slup." not "That's why I'm shown the offer."

I heard "Nin Nyet Onan on Morlock." not "Is he dead, of a murder?"
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If you start the video and then scroll down to this, you can read along as each phrase is said.

[mojo]

This one is interesting and seems almost themed...
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[Observer1964]

I have a hard time taking reverse speech seriously.

Don't give up on it just yet. Just a friendly suggestion, that's all. :)

update - Just wanted to add, it's important to make sure the reverse speech engineer has a good track record. For example, I'd certainly trust just about any reversal from David Oates. I can't comment on "ShawnHS" above.

I have become pretty convinced about reverse speech after i had the chance to reverse my own words after i was interviewed for local TV.
My internal response to a question was "I dont like this" but in dutch, my exact thoughts were; "Nou dat vind ik niet zo leuk". So after it was broadcast I had recorded it and just for fun reversed what I said, and in reverse I said exactly those words, but i had given a more nuanced answer never using the words of my initial thoughts. So I know there is more to it than you would think when only hearing about it.
Another test I did was from an interview with Rudolf Das, In reverse he said; Man, ze lachen je uit" or something like that, and as it was about a UFO-contact case that thought would not be all that crazy to think. I never contacted Rudolf Das but I am quite sure he did think that.

[Hogswitch]

The reverse speech phenomenon is balderdash. Human brains love to pick out patterns (because doing so has great survival value), but our brains are so enthusiastic about pattern recognition that they sometimes give false positives (better safe than sorry). Reverse speech has nothing useful to offer us "period".

[Observer1964]

The reverse speech phenomenon is balderdash. Human brains love to pick out patterns (because doing so has great survival value), but our brains are so enthusiastic about pattern recognition that they sometimes give false positives (better safe than sorry). Reverse speech has nothing useful to offer us "period".

But did you ever try it yourself or is this just a believe that you didn't challenge?
I tried it myself and was really surprised by what i heard as it was exactly my initial response thoughts.

[Hogswitch]

But did you ever try it yourself or is this just a believe that you didn't challenge?
I tried it myself and was really surprised by what i heard as it was exactly my initial response thoughts.

If by try it out myself you mean reverse my own recordings and listen to them, no, but I've listened to many of the type posted in this thread and for the most part, unless I'm told what I'm supposed to hear, I don't hear anything coherent. On some recordings I've heard I do sometimes "hear" the same words as others but I don't delude myself that there what I'm hearing are hidden messages. What's happening is that the reversed audio is producing a sound sufficiently close to that of a word I recognise that my brain "helpfully" makes the suggestion that I actually heard that particular word.

Hog.

[araucaria]

The main stumbling-block with accepting reverse speech is the time element: how can the brain process a message that starts at the end? The explanation would surely have something to do with accessing a timeless truth zone such as the Akashic records. Reverse speech would reverse the message of a lie, just as the evidence of a polygraph would through other means.

There are areas other than speech in which this phenomenon is much more readily acceptable, because time is not an issue: there is time in which to compose. One is writing: Time’s Arrow is a novel by Martin Amis that tells the hero’s story from finish to start, hence everything is reversed. His death on page one is reversed into a kind of birth, and his birth on the last page becomes a dying into nothingness. In between, you have a Mengele-type Nazi doctor who takes in dying patients and releases them in full health. Hence time is indeed a major component, and one understands the theoretical value in reversing it. Unadulterated truth is fully reversible, anything else is not.

Another such area is in the inverted portrait paintings of George Baselitz: http://www.theguardian.com/books/2007/sep/22/art.art
We are so used to seeing things the right way up that showing them upside down is a useful way to force the viewer to take a fresh look. And of course this is a trick of the brain, for the eye itself sees things upside down. That way, we can see what the brain might be filtering out, for whatever reason.

A third area of interest is music: classical counterpoint, such as a Bach fugue, which uses the following devices:


Melodic inversion
The inverse of a given fragment of melody is the fragment turned upside down—so if the original fragment has a rising major third (see interval), the inverted fragment has a falling major (or perhaps minor) third, etc. (Compare, in twelve tone technique, the inversion of the tone row, which is the so-called prime series turned upside down.) (Note: in invertible counterpoint, including double and triple counterpoint, the term inversion is used in a different sense altogether. At least one pair of parts is switched, so that the one that was higher becomes lower. See Inversion in counterpoint; it is not a kind of imitation, but a rearrangement of the parts.)
Retrograde
Whereby an imitative voice sounds the melody backwards in relation [to] the leading voice.
Retrograde inversion
Where the imitative voice sounds the melody backwards and upside-down at once.
Augmentation
When in one of the parts in imitative counterpoint the note values are extended in duration compared to the rate at which they were sounded when introduced.
Diminution
When in one of the parts in imitative counterpoint the note values are reduced in duration compared to the rate at which they were sounded when introduced. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterpoint

[sigma6]

I heard "One more. You might be Poptart." not "On order my department."

hmm... this one is very suspicious... but it might hold an important clue, btw, did they even have Poptarts in 1963? :rolleyes:

I think there is something to it... the capabilities of the human mind are so far beyond conscious (and especially nowadays) and current understanding, how can a conscious mind travel to a different "physical location" and gather accurate information? Or traverse time and pick up information of an event before it happens? or emotionally connect with another consciousness in real time across a vast distance?...

The left brain (or is it right brain?) doesn't have control of speech, and split brain experiments clearly show there is a separate independent consciousness operating ALL the time, that we are "consciously" unaware of... That is an easily provable example of subconscious phenomena right there...(if you happen to have some friends who have had their corpus callosum severed)

Perhaps it is influencing choice of words on some level... it can't use forward speech, except in Freudian slips and slips of the tongue, etc... but it could have, and is supposed to have greater access to the deeper mind, and could be selectively choosing words in advance.

Again experiments have shown that people react according to measurable biological functions BEFORE they see images about to be displayed... there is a micro time warp around our consciousness it would seem. There is a similar function in reflex reactions that can't be explained by simple biology as well...

and we are literally just scratching the surface of this thing, truly brother I say unto you, you have no idea... ; )