Leah Haley on Alien Abduction: “It Doesn't Happen”

[Kalamos]

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[Hazel]

Calamus.. have very much appreciated this detailed overview of Haleys' journey and preparedness to be open about her changes of perspective. It seems to marry with other now familiar, understandings that are emergent....

keep it coming.. very :cool:

[Bill Ryan]

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Its certainly possible that some subjective -- and apparently very real! -- abduction experiences are something entirely different, and far more alarming.

But not all of them. Of that, I'm personally certain.

[Agape]

It would be good if those 'mock experiences' could actually stop ...but I doubt that's the case since human beings are 'susceptible' .

And searching for culprit in some sort of highly organised n sophisticated military operation is not going to provide all answers either . If that was for proximity of advanced human technologies vs vulnerable psyche ,
there would be not two , three or ten but thousands of human beings suffering such 'ET contact or abduction experiences' , en mass, in the military , in various Space agencies and scientific establishments , the people who don't go reporting themselves anywhere .. and if you question them closely .. they actually don't have any such 'experiences' at all .. have been in many cases , repeatedly irradiated ,
exposed to all sorts of EM waves , technical and biological experiments .. by thousands and millions, and no, they do not report 'ET Encounters' .

Even among 'ufologists' and other 'hobbyists' , that is people who are actually actively interested , and researching the subject, and reading peoples stories , watching movies and documentaries about 'purported aliens' , very few if any happen to have a dream or two that would remind them of 'contact scenario' and even then , they're well aware it's a dream . Imagination. Nothing that you could not create in your mind .


Humans are susceptible to all sorts of influencing, social , psychological, technical, non-technical, all of it . On subliminal level , we share dreams and experiences that we would not be able to share on level of conscious awareness .

It's often the best indicator that 'something' has actually happened . The same way mothers or other family members and close friends dream or 'intuit' events of each others lives,
not questioning how many of you are familiar with this but I consider this is almost a norm among sensitive and empathetic individuals .. and it can be scientifically explained ( though probably not always 'proven' ) ,

the same way you may happen to have nightmare when your spouse or friend had accident or falls seriously ill, or the way you may fall ill .. at the same time,

there had been many instances of peoples 'mock ET Encounter' when the real , actual ET Encounter happened ... either in their proximity .. or even 100s miles away ..

The question remains , why only certain number of people are able to perceive, dream or intuit such events,
while most others surrounding them are the same susceptible .. to various sorts of influences, social programming, education programming, sex and fashion and what else you have in your lives ,

and beyond that...


it's fortunately not the 'whole story' about ET Encounters .


:eyebrows:

[STR]

I have always felt (known?) that a very human presence is involved with these cases also and I agree with her. I live in Oklahoma and have many friends that work in the oil fields here, as well as cattle and rodeo people. I've been on ranches where cattle and horses have been abducted and then deposited back as if dropped from the sky. My wife and I have examined the oral cavities of these beasts on two occasions and in both cases gear were found near the places the cattle was taken and dropped. In one case we found binocular covers. Newer that had obviously been dropped. In another we found a lens filter for night viewing and in yet another case someone dropped a multi tool and all I can say is aliens do not drop these very human owned things out where black helicopters are seen and cattle are being taken and experimented on. Psy-Ops is real. We know it. We have examples of the CIA and others experimenting on staff in their own buildings just to watch the effect and infection rate of various things from the water cooler. What more do you need really to know this is human elite messing with your minds and they got you because of this.

It was reported to me by a general who I can't name because I don't have permission but this general worked in the dental corp in one of the services. He said he knew that the abductions were largely us because most of the people chosen actually have someone in their lives that reported UFO activities to Project Blue Book years ago. That is when they began selecting certain of the ones coming forward and this carried over to their children and their children's children and so on. Plausible deniability and forward movement in Nazi human experimenting were said to be why according to him and that was all he knew.

[David Ansible]

Certain? It is hard for me to be certain about such things. We are not even certain how advanced the technology is in human hands, other than knowing or very much suspecting that it is very advanced.

Here is an observation: What has happened "recently" to claims of "alien abduction"? I believe there are many fewer "abductions" than, say, the 1970s for example. To some extent have "alien abductions" morphed into the "targeted individual" phenomenon? Perhaps a case could be made.

Another point. Why are so many of these encounters with aliens so "primitive." I mean anal probes for such a presumably advanced civilization? They don't have scanners? They couldn't "observe" a human from a distance? It is almost a joke. Ok. So are those anal probings and so on just "screen memories" then. Fine, but that could just as well be "military" right? Well, what is more likely, screen memories by "aliens" or screen memories created by humans. This is one instance I think were Occam's razor might be useful.

On the other hand, am I certain there are no alien abductions? No. Look at the area of "demonic possession" for example. These days something like "technological possession" has been reported and described by some people - more or less equivalent to what would have been called "demonic possession" in past centuries.

Perhaps then it is that technology in human hands has advanced to the point where humans can do what "aliens" or "demons" have been doing all along (in other words, "demonic possession" was itself just the implementation of a technology).

So perhaps "alien abductions" perpetrated by humans are a result of the acquisition or development of technology previously only in the hands of "others," in which case the true operator might be difficult to ascertain, particularly if the technology can project different "forms" into consciousness, erase and implant memories and so on.

The technology might be able to totally obscure who is using it. Whoever has the technology can do "alien abductions." In fact, even if an alien life form is doing the abducting, the alien you see (or remember) might not be the "true form" of the alien, (if it even has a "true form").

Is that alien hanging off the end of your bed "real" or is it perhaps a projection into your consciousness. More to the point, is the "operator" human or alien?

Can absolutely "real" experiences be created by infiltrating and manipulating consciousness. I suspect so. What really were angels, demons, fairies, sprites, werewolves and so on? Did they reflect the true forms of the "operators"? And why don't we see fairies and so on too much anymore?

Anyway, interesting topic. I hope I have made some sense.

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oops, my reply was meant to be a response to Bill Ryan's post. Sorry about that!

[Limor Wolf]

There seems to be a fusion of 'all from everything' when it comes to 'Abductions - are they real or are they solely done by the government?', a subject that will rise a lot more to the surface in the next few months and it is all mixed purposfully for the sake of confusion, to the delight of those who adopt 'concealment' as their last name. Alien abductions are real in some cases, and millitary abductions disguised as ET's under psy ops with screen memories are real in other cases, and then there are the shared operations. In any situation we may face in the future, balance need always to lead the way. Another thing to consider will be, that thoughts and emotions can be manipulated but frequency and vibration of an individual or a situation can not. Energy signature is a unique cosmic wonder in it's truthfulness, more than any single finger print and that is if we are perceptive enough to detect this phenomenon.

Some researchers like Haley, Boylan, and Dr. Helmet Lammer May relate all abductions to millitary, others who are no less serious researchers and dedicated investigators conclude that despite the 'smoke and mirror' scenarios pulled by the government, ET abuductions are real, thus the interest of the government..


From Eve Lorgen -


" I find it important to discuss a few important issues about the milab experience itself. My understanding of a milab is a genuine alien abductee who also remembers interactions with a military human element and/or a shadow government faction in or out of their alien encounters. The military presence may appear to be in collusion with aliens, and may also appear to be opposed to the alien agenda, for example when the abductee recalls being interrogated by the military about what transpired, in search of “alien technology” regarding their alien encounters. "

From James Bartley -


"The term "Milab" was first coined by Austrian researcher Dr. Helmet Lammer. Unfortunately Dr. Lammer seems to think that every eyewitness report of an alien by a milab is the result of government mind control. This is very much like putting the ox before the cart. What came first? Aliens or government mind control ops? I doubt if Dr. Lammer has spent any amount of time researching alien abductions. His pre-conceived bias against the reality of alien abductions precludes any possibility of objective research into the subject. There are some "researchers" who insist that all eyewitness reports of aliens are the result of government mind control and then there are the debunkers from the False Memory Syndrome who insist that there is no such thing as mind control, despite the voluminous documentation obtained from the government. To cover all their bases, government mind controllers have shown fake aliens to Project Monarch type mind control survivors and the latter have dutifully reported these bogus encounters in books they have written.

In all likelihood milabs have some kind of genetic marker that identifies them as legitimate alien abductees. This notion is buttressed by the fact that alien abductees who have served in the armed forces have described mind control, medical experimentation and other coercive measures perpetrated upon them during their stints in the military. They have also described being utilized in covert operations while in a mind controlled state. Some of them have been shown advanced technology and have witnessed non-human life forms in underground and above ground installations"

Blessings ~

Limor

[David Ansible]

"Another thing to consider will be, that thoughts and emotions can be manipulated but frequency and vibration of an individual or a situation can not."

Limor, I wish this was true. But even certain drugs can alter people seemingly at their core. If you mean something like their soul cannot be destroyed (the concept of a "soul" is hard to make sense of by the way), maybe you are right. But certainly lives can be ruined, personalities can be irrevocably altered, and so on.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

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Saturday, September 17, 2011

Leah Haley on Alien Abduction: “It Doesn't Happen” (http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/09/leah-haley-on-alien-abduction-it-doesnt_17.html)

Former self-described alien abductee Leah Haley has revised her perspectives about her experiences of high strangeness to conclude that no alien abductions ever took place in her life. She now completely attributes her remarkable perceptions to having been an involuntary research subject. Commenting on literal alien abduction from her home in Pensacola, Florida, Haley stated, “It doesn't happen.”

Haley attracted widespread attention within the UFO community in 1993 with the publication of her book, Lost Was the Key, in which she described her extraordinary experiences consisting of fragmented memories of UFOs and apparent non-human beings. She became a well known speaker and was commonly sought for interviews. Ten years later she published Unlocking Alien Closets: Abductions, Mind Control and Spirituality, further documenting her descent into an increasingly complex web of deceit, disinformation and character assassination within ufology. Sales of her books climbed well into the thousands although word of mouth was virtually the only means of marketing.

Haley initially thought aliens were responsible for her experiences but that changed following years of investigation. She long acknowledged military personnel were involved in her experiences to some extent, but she fully re-evaluated circumstances after viewing select Freedom of Information Act and U.S. Patent Office documents. Haley further based her revised conclusions on hundreds of interactions with abductees and researchers, as well as having mysterious individuals enter and later abruptly vanish from her life. She is now thoroughly convinced mind control experiments are responsible for what became known as the alien abduction phenomenon.

“I really can explain every alien abduction away using human technology,” Haley said.

Commenting on what she termed “legitimate” reports of abduction, she continued, “I don't know for sure, but every case that I know very, very well – every single one of them – if I probe deeply enough, I'm going to find that there were humans here and there too. That tells me that it was a human-instigated situation. I can't think of a single case, not a single one, that I've really delved into that didn't have humans in it too, so I just don't think alien abductions are happening. I don't know, but I just don't think they are.”

Who Is Leah Haley?

The polite yet confidently direct woman who came to be embraced - for better or worse – by the UFO community said she was born in 1951 in Decatur, Alabama. According to her books, Haley earned a bachelor's degree in secondary education from the University of Alabama, a master's degree in education from the University of North Alabama and a master's degree in business administration from Mississippi State University. She told me she is a Certified Public Accountant, currently employed in the field.

I first contacted Haley via email in June of 2009 due to my interest in her reported experiences which involved apparent military personnel. Our interactions led to me interviewing her over the course of a couple days in March, 2011.

As much an artist as she is a business administrator or anything else, Haley loves to write. She enjoys many forms of art and particularly appreciates theater. While the name Leah Ann Haley will be forever joined with the UFO phenomenon, the woman came to prioritize a healthy social life and enjoying herself, as was indicated by the presence in her den of gifts from her birthday celebration. “If I put the gifts away, I'll forget to send thank you notes,” she explained with a laugh.

During a drive through downtown Pensacola, she fondly pointed out locations where bands regularly perform. She enjoys concerts, and told me about attending a Lynyrd Skynyrd gig, remarking that she of course likes the band's music due to her roots in (Sweet Home) Alabama.

Haley developed a strong faith which she attributes in part to her traumatic experiences and the stress of going public with her story. She enjoys attending casual worship services held Sunday mornings at picnic tables on Pensacola Beach. “I think that's so cool,” she said while describing the services.

Her first marriage ended as she became increasingly committed to investigating her experiences and publicly sharing her findings. Was her involvement in ufology responsible for her failed marriage? “Oh, yeah,” she responded decisively, “absolutely.” Her status as a relatively high profile, controversial figure severely strained family relations, but Haley feels she picked up the pieces as well as could be expected.

Take her or leave her, Leah Haley is willing to be scrutinized. Other high profile members of the UFO community often hide from objective evaluation, reciting their largely unchallenged rhetoric with relentless and annoying persistence. Contrastingly, Haley at least seemingly provides us with a refreshingly transparent view of the path of an experiencer of high strangeness who embarked upon a sincere journey of investigation and self-discovery. It is only natural that such a journey included evolving perspectives, changing over time, and it appears Haley happens to be secure enough to tell us when she changes her mind.

“The most important thing about my case,” she said, “is that my memories were of alien abductions, and that after spending thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars and years and years and years of research trying to find evidence that alien abductions occurred, the only evidence I found is of human-instigated mind control.”

Circumstantial Evidence


The UFO House of Pensacola Beach serves as an eerie reminder
of the Gulf Breeze UFO craze that snowballed into a frenzy.
Haley cited circumstances such as confirmed mind control operations and Freedom of Information Act documents, substantiating details of such black budget operations, as supporting evidence for her perspectives. Suggesting the general population lacks adequate understandings of relevant issues, such as conditioned behavior and subliminal programming, Haley stated, “Doing my lectures and radio shows I met people all over the country, and most of the alien abductees just accept what's happened at face value. What they remember - to them - is what happened. Very few of us have ever questioned it to the extent that you and I obviously have.”

Haley cited U.S. Patent Office documents, demonstrating evolution of electronic technology and non-lethal weapons that correlates with the time line of reports of alien abduction. Advances in technology during the 20th century included using electromagnetic frequencies (EMFs) to remotely entrain brain waves, induce altered states of consciousness and transfer an otherwise inaudible voice directly into the brain. Overexposure to EMFs was documented to cause hallucinations, nausea, short term amnesia (missing time) and reddened skin, circumstances which became staples of abductee testimonies.

Haley has claimed to have been interrogated and tortured by military personnel, but do not expect her to name alleged perpetrators. Though much speculation has circulated about Haley's alleged abusers, she is well aware she cannot prove accusations and therefore chooses to withhold public comment on identities.

She also claimed to have been approached repeatedly by mysterious people interested in her experiences, and on at least one occasion such a person apparently claimed to be acting on behalf of intelligence officials. Haley believed she confirmed the claim to a reasonable extent.

Marc Davenport

Haley met Marc Davenport at the 1993 Ozark UFO Conference. He attended her lecture and approached her afterword, finding her presentation of interest. Like Haley, Davenport was a researcher, author and speaker.

The two discovered many mutual interests. They eventually married and plunged ever deeper into the world of ufology. The duo spent extended periods of time conducting research and presenting their work through Greenleaf Publications, a corporation founded by Haley in 1992 and subsequently jointly operated by the couple. It was with Davenport's help as a researcher and support as a friend that Haley dissected the world of military intelligence and black budget research projects.

She explained, “It was like a progression with me until I finally came to the conclusion that everything with me was human-instigated. That's where the evidence pointed. I didn't find any concrete evidence - no absolute concrete evidence - of aliens, but plenty of evidence of human intervention.”

Such evidence included two events reportedly occurring the morning of June 16, 2000. Haley experienced abduction-like visions, non-ordinary states of consciousness and the sensation of hearing voices in her head. Haley was home alone during the second episode, which also included paralysis. Davenport returned unexpectedly, observing a helicopter hovering within 100 feet of their house. The helicopter soon departed, leaving Davenport to find Haley ill and disoriented inside the home.

It was therefore not only Davenport's help as a colleague, but also his experience as a direct witness, that assisted Haley in re-evaluating her experiences. Davenport continued to report on mind control and non-lethal weapons.

In 2005 Davenport was diagnosed with what Haley called an unusual form of cancer. He lost his life to what proved to be the painful and disabling illness.

Does Haley think Davenport's cancer was intentionally induced? “I will go to my grave believing so,” she said.

Carpenter Affair

Haley's experiences included missing time, disturbing body markings and a retrieved possible implant, in addition to interactions with mysterious strangers and military personnel. Her search for answers included regressive hypnosis sessions conducted by John Carpenter, a mental health counselor who served as the MUFON director of abduction research during the early 1990's. For what is in all likelihood a variety of reasons, Haley's mental imagery during the sessions included implications of aliens and emotional trauma.

Carpenter conducted some 14 regressive hypnosis sessions with Haley, encouraging her to accept alien abduction, before selling her case file. In what became known as the Carpenter Affair, Carpenter betrayed 140 clients and alleged alien abductees when he accepted $14,000 for their case files. The purchaser was Robert Bigelow, whose activities and associates never stray far from controversy. Non-lethal weapons expert and consultant to the CIA, Colonel John B. Alexander, was termed a science advisor to Bigelow at the time.

When asked how she now feels about Carpenter, Haley took a long breath and exhaled deliberately. She replied that she thinks Carpenter was “manipulated” into his actions, but that does not mean she completely absolves him of all responsibility.

Haley explained it was very distressing when the names of Carpenter's clients were briefly posted on the Internet. Literally over night, anonymity was lost, family members were outed and similar such situations befell those who sought support and were assured confidentiality by Carpenter and MUFON. Haley remains uncertain exactly who was responsible for originally posting the client names on the Internet.

Haley said most of the 140 probably never knew Carpenter sold their files to Bigelow. About a dozen of them were aware of it and convinced Haley “to join them in the lawsuit that turned out to go nowhere,” she explained with frustration.

Would she rather not discuss the Carpenter Affair? “I don't mind talking about it,” she said. “It's just that the statute of limitations expired.”

“We had a clear cut case,” she continued. “The first attorneys said, 'There are no doubts.'”

Haley explained the attorneys initially met with the plaintiffs, assuring them testimony and evidence, which they had, was all they needed. However, the first group of attorneys later turned over the case to a second group, and lines of communication declined to a non-functional mess. Haley felt certain the lawsuit fell through the cracks “because of threats.”

In a bit softer and more despondent voice, Haley concluded, “There's not anything that can be done about it. That whole group just got away with it.”

Matters of Compassion and Responsibility


The sun sets on the waterfront in downtown Pensacola
where crowds of eager skywatchers once gathered regularly.
Haley long since stopped fearing public criticism. Such criticism is inevitable when revising opinions destined to be as unpopular as in the case of suggesting there are no aliens in alien abduction. Rather than buckle to peer pressure, Haley appeared willing to draw on her experience as a relatively public figure - and her resulting thick skin - to set examples of honesty and realism by publicly acknowledging perspectives are simply bound to change as more information becomes available.

Haley considered sharing her story to be matters of compassion and responsibility. “It disturbs me greatly that there are people who are still being victimized by that system,” she commented.

Perhaps it is ultimately Haley's ability to successfully navigate the no-nonsense world of accounting that enabled her to painstakingly re-evaluate everything she thought she knew about alien abduction and her experiences. Maybe it was a genuine desire to seek truth. I really cannot say for sure, but Haley's message is certainly clear enough: A check and balance of facts versus belief systems reveals alien abduction dogma does not properly add up, particularly in her specific case.

Haley said she periodically distanced herself from ufology and her past but kept getting “drawn back in.” She explained she was most recently drawn back in by me and what she found to be my interest in black budget operations and her case. I thanked her for her willingness to interact with me, then asked what was most important to her to ultimately accomplish.

Without hesitation, Leah Haley leaned back in her chair, looked skyward and replied with animated emphasis, "I want mind control and other invasive experiments on unwitting U.S. citizens to be stopped. And I want the mind control perpetrators brought to justice!"

Interesting, I have followed Leah's case for a long time, interesting you might find is one of her books primarily aimed at accustomising children to the idea of grey aliens, but in a very friendly way "Ceto's new friends"

[shadowstalker]

Aliens or psy-ops, it's still insidious in my book, I really do believe I am an experiencer of both.

[miss chant]

I just talked about Leah Haley today with someone who knew her. They have not spoken to her since the early 2000's. I find it odd she did an about face and decided what happened to her was the result of mind control experiments abductions not ET related. She could be right, who knows. But she did spend an awful lot of discretionary time (years) explaining her ET related experiences in a far different manner. She is truly a fascinating individual just like Marc Davenport was (RIP) and also one of my personal favorites Dr. Karla Turner. Here is an interesting article on L. Haley BTW: https://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/09/leah-haley-on-alien-abduction-it-doesnt_17.html?fbclid=IwAR2dk_l_mvpqw2JmBl8AzKzzXBGYJo3YV8EtRvTylfLqxl_KMGPB5cI3HP4https://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/09/leah-haley-on-alien-abduction-it-doesnt_17.html?fbclid=IwAR2dk_l_mvpqw2JmBl8AzKzzXBGYJo3YV8EtRvTylfLqxl_KMGPB5cI3HP4