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Kalamos
5th April 2014, 05:42
"Although most recently popularized by David Icke, the notions of the connection of a worldwide conspiracy orchestrated by Reptilian beings, like the UFO mythos itself, has its origins in Theosophy, the occult tradition founded by H. P. Blavatsky, godmother of the New Age movement, and pre-eminent personality of the Occult Revival of the late nineteenth century.

Essentially, Icke, like other conspiracy researchers such as Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion, and Acharya S, is an ardent critic of the Illuminati, but presents the myriad speculations of Theosophy as the truth being suppressed. All his main teachings are Theosophical, and therefore identical to those of the Illuminati, which is he is purportedly denouncing."

Read the rest at: THEOSOPHICAL SOURCES OF DAVID ICKE'S REPTILIAN THEORY (http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/blog/theosophical-sources-david-ickes-reptilian-theory#.Uz99pahX-uY)

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On a similar vein, if you find that interseting, then check out this scholarly paper, and well informed review of it.

Alien demonology: the Christian roots of the malevolent
extraterrestrial in UFO religions and abduction spiritualities (http://www.michaelsheiser.com/UFOReligions/Alien%20demonology%20the%20Christian%20roots%20of%20the%20malevolent%20extraterrestrial%20in%20UFO%2 0religions%20and%20abduction%20spiritualities.pdf)

"Abstract
Initially, the sacralisation of the extraterrestrial led to an understanding of the alien as a fundamentally benevolent, messianic figure—a ‘technological angel’. This was largely because of the Cold War environment in which much UFO religion arose. Those attracted to the myth looked beyond a politically and militarily unstable planet to extraterrestrial saviours. Furthermore, because UFO religions have their roots in the Theosophical tradition, the religious understanding of the extraterrestrial tended to be fundamentally indebted to the concept of the wise and benevolent ascended master. The aim of this article is to examine the technological angel's foil. The central thesis is that, in their construction of the malevolent alien, UFO religionists and abductees turn not to Theosophy and Eastern religious traditions but to the myths and symbols of Christian demonology. Moreover, in exploring the origins and nature of the demonologies of contemporary UFO religions and abduction spiritualities, the article also draws attention to the importance of popular culture in the West, which, itself influenced by the Christian tradition, contributes to the formation of both popular demonology and also UFO mythology, which are in turn synthesised in UFO demonologies."
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a review of the above paper: Theosophical aliens and demonology (http://www.examiner.com/article/theosophical-aliens-and-demonology)

Eram
5th April 2014, 07:16
Good find Calamus.

Apparently, the early esoteric revelations inspired lots of people to start their own orders and write their own books and it shows how this kind of information gets distorted and corrupted.

I always wonder how it is possible for someone like Drunvalo melchizedek to have so many esoteric insights and then present it so scrambled up in his teachings. I guess he must have been a student of Maurice Doreal, because he has whole books published based on teachings from someone called Toth. He also mentions the emerald tablets a lot.

indigopete
5th April 2014, 10:57
In other words the "UFO" phenomenon is a totally made up paradigm composed of a mixture of ancient religious mumbo jumbo, too much star trek and a bit of real terrestrial advanced technology which is what I've been trying to bring to people's attention on these forums for a while.

Tyy1907
5th April 2014, 11:26
Thats a pretty broad brush to say the ufo phenomenon is entirely crap. Maybe historically distorted A bit.

indigopete
5th April 2014, 13:15
Thats a pretty broad brush to say the ufo phenomenon is entirely crap. Maybe historically distorted A bit.

:) LoL

Sorry, I couldn't resist a bit of mischief there. It was an open goal.

All the same, there is a serious point to be made which is the fact that people in the UFO community generally have a view of the universe which is highly distorted and based more on myth that reality (as the above commentary documents).

The point is that the universe is highly subjective in nature. It's not like map where you can just jump from one 'place' to another, because by doing that we would change the whole nature of our own reality.

Think of it like this. You are a pixel in a digital picture. By moving yourself out of place from one place to another, you not only change your own perspective but you change the nature of the entire picture as well. So by definition, we cannot travel over galactic distances while in a physical manifestation - it's a contradiction in terms.

I've mentioned before in other posts that the fact that we don't see aliens arriving at this planet on a regular basis is easily explained. We do.

They are ourselves and all the plant and animal life around us which arrives here metaphysically the same way as an email travels metaphysically from one PC to another. You don't have to carry your PC physically to the other person to deliver them the email. (That would be the everyday analogy to physical beings travelling around in space ships).

The idea of physical aliens travelling around the galaxy in tin cans with flashing lights is a kind of mickey mouse digestible version of this made up by the Gene Roddenberrys of Hollywood to spoon feed the masses who can't get their heads round it.

christian
5th April 2014, 13:26
What a blatant hitpiece. Theosophists are not the Illuminati, and David's info is based on a great variety of sources and eyewitness testimony. There are countless individuals and historical evidence supporting the notion that there's a reptilian presence on Earth. Also the idea that there are UFO's is so much older than Theosophy, and to suggest that David's teachings are essentially identical to those of the Illuminati is completely asinine.

This thread is now closed. This is not about stifling conversation or censoring, but about discernment and the ability to put things into perspective.







Bill's additional comment:

We have no problem at all with the discussion, but the intention of the new thread was very suspect. There's good reason to believe that Calamus was not wanting to discuss the interesting article dispassionately, but had the motive to try to discredit David Icke and his detailed reports.

There are already many threads on Avalon in which the reptilian phenomenon is discussed, intelligently and in as much depth as anyone might wish. Just search (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?search_type=1) for "Reptilian" in Titles (or Posts) and you'll find plenty. There are many threads on David Icke's work as well.

Here's just one, which only took me a few seconds to find:

Lizard People Information, Reptilian Stories (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61807-Lizard-People-Information-Reptilian-Stories)

My own post on that thread is here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61807-Lizard-People-Information-Reptilian-Stories&p=709058&highlight=dictaphone#post709058

Please do read. (And please do also find a few minutes to listen to the very interesting and significant MP3 audio (http://projectavalon.net/David_Icke_Jordan_Maxwell_reptilian_stories_Project_Avalon_May_2010.mp3) that I posted.) There is no doubt in my mind at all that the reptilian phenomenon is all too real. If anyone would like to comment on that (or any other thread), which is still open, they are more than welcome to do so.