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Chester
10th April 2014, 22:41
You didn't have a "girlfriend" in that region of the world at that time... you got married. It was far too dangerous for women and men to be "together in the Biblical sense" unless they were married. Do you think Jesus was firing on all cylinders? Of course he was!
Enjoy! (http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-claim--gospel-of-jesus-s-wife--isn-t-a-modern-forgery-135643305.html)
All the above comments are simply from my study of history and my own opinions - nothing more.
Atlas
10th April 2014, 23:16
The findings support the argument of Harvard professor Karen L. King that the controversial text, the first-known explicit reference to a married Jesus, is almost certainly an authentic document.
Karen L. King:
"The most historically reliable early Christian literature is silent about Jesus’s marital status, and the GJW fragment does not change that situation. It is not evidence that Jesus was married, but it does appear to support the favorable position on marriage and reproduction taken by the canonical 1 Timothy, and it stands on the side of Jesus as he refutes the statement of Peter in Gos. Thom. 114 that “women are not worthy of life.”
Although we cannot know whether this damaged fragment supported the ancient patriarchal household order or argued that females should become male as these writings do, it does seem to enter debates over whether Jesus’s incarnate life pointed toward marriage or celibacy as the ideal mode of Christian life.
Ultimately such questions raise theological issues of whether sexuality belongs to being fully human or necessarily compromises holiness. In my reading, however, the main point of the GJW fragment is simply to affirm that women who are wives and mothers can be Jesus’s disciples.
Fifty-nine years passed from the rediscovery of the fifth-century Berlin Codex in 1896 until its first publication in 1955. Its final editor, Walter Till, expressed a sentiment with which I have come to have a deep sympathy after only two years.
“At some point,” he wrote, “a man must find the courage to let the manuscript leave one’s hand even if one is convinced that there is much that is still imperfect. That is unavoidable with all human endeavors.” So, too, this article is not the last word on the subject of the GJW fragment, but I hope it will be a useful contribution to ongoing discussion and research.
Afterword
In January 2014, I concluded this article by stating it would not be the last word on the subject. And now in early March, I received news of the results of the second radiocarbon testing of the material artifact of GJW that gives it a mean date of 741 c.e.
This date suggests a new line of inquiry into the context of the fragment’s circulation in Egypt of the Islamic period, given the Qur’an’s designation of Jesus as “Son of Mary” and its view that prophets (among whom Jesus is numbered) were usually married, although the Qur’an does not state specifically that Jesus was married."
Tesla_WTC_Solution
10th April 2014, 23:35
I've wondered for years now what was really implied by Mary M washing Jesus' feet etc.
Because of the Ruth story and the David/Saul story.
I thought it might have some connotations beyond normal service being resumed.
p.s. also the Renaissance paintings of the Black Madonna....
imo a counterculture within Christianity that worships the wife of christ
Ellisa
11th April 2014, 06:47
I think that if Jesus was a rabbi (teacher) he would have been married, simply because that was the custom. There was no choice, no 'falling in love', no courting stage. In fact until recently most marriages were conducted with a view to inheritance of property, and if you liked the chosen partner it was lucky for you! I don't know who Jesus married, does anyone? But the relationship of Jesus and Mary M seems affectionate and loving, even in the Bible, where I don't think it is even mentioned that she was the mentioned prostitute as the church insisted!
Azt
11th April 2014, 09:24
Remember the part at the end of the Bible where Jesus sneakily avoided crucifixion and headed to Japan to become a rice farmer? And who could forget how his younger brother ended up being crucified instead, in a case of the old switch-a-roo?
Okay, so that stuff's not in the Bible — it's in the Takenouchi Documents, an apocryphal set of ancient religious texts "found" by a group of Japanese archeologists in the 1930s.
Enjoy the reading> http://www.slate.com/blogs/atlas_obscura/2014/02/26/the_grave_of_jesus_in_shingo_aomori_japan.html
and here Tomb of Jesus Christ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shingō,_Aomori
Cardillac
11th April 2014, 12:32
assuming one is not too immersed in their own religious dogmas and has a fairly open mind (people usually immersed in religious dogmas usually have a closed mind under lock and key) one might want to check out Joseph Atwill's "Caesar's Messiah" just for starters- it's at least a start-
be well all-
Larry
greybeard
11th April 2014, 12:56
Certainly there is the washing the feet and anointing the head mentioned in the Bible
I would think it would only be acceptable for a wife to do this.
Not only that the message of Jesus was that "What I can do so can you"
He was, to my mind, saying that he was no different in anyway from us.
There would be no point if he was a super being to set out things that were impossible for us.
I think he would have to a least started of ordinary to the point of having normal relationships--marriage included.
Intimacy (sex) seems to be portrayed as a sin yet "God" chose that method for every life form to come into existence.
Chris
Joanne Shepard
11th April 2014, 13:43
Certainly there is the washing the feet and anointing the head mentioned in the Bible
I would think it would only be acceptable for a wife to do this.
Not only that the message of Jesus was that "What I can do so can you"
He was, to my mind, saying that he was no different in anyway from us.
There would be no point if he was a super being to set out things that were impossible for us.
I think he would have to a least started of ordinary to the point of having normal relationships--marriage included.
Intimacy (sex) seems to be portrayed as a sin yet "God" chose that method for every life form to come into existence.
Chris
Religion holds prisoners in marriage, and I hated that part. Did you see where the very young girl murdered her recently (forced to marry husband) and several of his friends with rat poison just a day ago in the news?
anyway about Jesus being married or not doesn't matter at all to me, he was a very cool guy, I wish he didn't have to suffer like he did, what I loved about him was how much he felt things (its better to feel to much then not enough) very unique and IMPRESSIVE in deed
This is a very cool topic:)
Hazel
11th April 2014, 14:24
All conjecture... subsided
Chester
11th April 2014, 14:31
I think that if Jesus was a rabbi (teacher) he would have been married, simply because that was the custom. There was no choice, no 'falling in love', no courting stage. In fact until recently most marriages were conducted with a view to inheritance of property, and if you liked the chosen partner it was lucky for you! I don't know who Jesus married, does anyone? But the relationship of Jesus and Mary M seems affectionate and loving, even in the Bible, where I don't think it is even mentioned that she was the mentioned prostitute as the church insisted!
One of the manuscripts of the Nag Hammadi Library, the Gospel of Philip "explicitly said Jesus kissed Mary Magdalene in the mouth."
Here is a link (http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_kissed_mary_magdalene.htm) that covers much of this.
Note how Peter appeared jealous of this. Note how Peter became the inspirational founder of the Catholic Church. Can we say "sympathetic resonance?" Of course he was married, of course he was having sex with her and of course the odds are high they had at least one child.
I once saw a video of a talk given by Lynn Picknett where she stated "Jesus was a sex magician." Anyone who has any experience with "sex magic" can see how this may have been true.
In addition, evidence has surfaced that suggests Mary Magdalene was from "royal bloodlines" herself and if that were true, that would not be any surprise to me either.
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