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Cidersomerset
14th April 2014, 20:13
Everyone in the alternate media knows the US has not been a democracy for 50 years
maybe more. With the gradual influence of lobby groups and the major take over
by corporate America. The 4th Reich as some researchers have been telling us for
decades, since 'Paper Clip' to the all encompassing mil ind complex the Pentagon
and Capitol hill seem to have broken away from the rest of the population, and the
Washington elites are increasingly getting out of touch with their ground routes.

Most of the power families are related and although it was always a phallucy the
US was the land of the Free. It has been manipulated by groups who's only interest
is power and greed. The Bundy incident and other events shows more people
are waking up , but very few mainstream politicians and media have reported
the bare minimum their owner/masters will let them openly discuss about the
true state of the world.

Everything is focused on Ukraine, Iran, Syria and other hotspots sponsored by the black
budgets and intel agencies . The UK has woken up to a degree with the vote in
Parliament not to intervene in Syria.Though the public was against the Iraq war
and we know how Blair lied about that. It seems like the conservatives will
get us involved if there is an escalation in the Ukraine whether we want to or
not.

We rightly highlight the neo-cons and their puppets still in power in the US, but
there are others around the world.....

https://truthaholics.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/war-criminals-bush-cheney-blair-canada.jpg



Same old warmongering lies from swivel-eyed Tony Blair -- this time it's against Iran

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Uploaded on 27 Jan 2011


Not content with having colluded in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis,
Tony Blair is now advocating an attack on Iran which would result in the same mass
slaughter. It's scandalous that someone who is culpable in the worst war crimes this
century is given free reign by the media for these warmongering rants, as if the Iraq
war never happened.





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Monday 14th April 2014 at 04:30 By David Icke


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The U.S. Is Not a Democracy, It Is an Oligarchy

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‘A study, to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the academic journal Perspectives on
Politics, finds that the U.S. is no democracy, but instead an oligarchy, meaning
profoundly corrupt, so that the answer to the study’s opening question, “Who governs?
Who really rules?” in this country, is:

“Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for theories of
majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of the American public
actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts. Americans do
enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections,
freedom of speech and association, and a widespread (if still contested) franchise.

But, …” and then they go on to say, it’s not true, and that, “America’s claims to being a
democratic society are seriously threatened” by the findings in this, the first-ever
comprehensive scientific study of the subject, which shows that there is instead “the
nearly total failure of ‘median voter’ and other Majoritarian Electoral Democracy theories
[of America]. When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized
interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to
have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.”

To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually an oligarchy.’


The authors of this historically important study are Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page,
and their article is titled “Testing Theories of American Politics.” The authors clarify that
the data available are probably under-representing the actual extent of control of the
U.S. by the super-rich:

“Economic Elite Domination theories do rather well in our analysis, even though our
findings probably understate the political influence of elites. Our measure of the
preferences of wealthy or elite Americans – though useful, and the best we could
generate for a large set of policy cases – is probably less consistent with the relevant
preferences than are our measures of the views of ordinary citizens or the alignments of
engaged interest groups. Yet we found substantial estimated effects even when using
this imperfect measure. The real-world impact of elites upon public policy may be still
greater.”

Nonetheless, this is the first-ever scientific study of the question of whether the U.S. is
a democracy. “Until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting
theoretical predictions [that U.S. policymaking operates as a democracy, versus as an
oligarchy, versus as some mixture of the two] against each other within a single
statistical model. This paper reports on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that
includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues.” That’s an enormous
number of policy-issues studied.

What the authors are able to find, despite the deficiencies of the data, is important: the
first-ever scientific analysis of whether the U.S. is a democracy, or is instead an
oligarchy, or some combination of the two. The clear finding is that the U.S. is an
oligarchy, no democratic country, at all. American democracy is a sham, no matter how
much it’s pumped by the oligarchs who run the country (and who control the
nation’s “news” media). The U.S., in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most
other dubious “electoral” “democratic” countries. We weren’t formerly, but we clearly
are now. Today, after this exhaustive analysis of the data, “the preferences of the
average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-
significant impact upon public policy.” That’s it, in a nutshell.

Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They’re Not Even
Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010,and of CHRIST’S
VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity.



Read more: The U.S. Is Not a Democracy, It Is an Oligarchy

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-is-not-a-democracy-it-is-an-oligarchy/5377765

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Matt P
14th April 2014, 20:30
Yes but the USA has not been a democracy for a lot longer than 50 years. Try it's entire existence! A democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. THAT is not the system of governance that was established in the USA. We are (supposed to be) a constitutional republic, where the rights of the few cannot be infringed upon by an ignorant or easily manipulated majority. Some will think I'm splitting hairs here but the difference is important because the term democracy has been mangled beyond recognition. So many lament that we don't have it, and want to strive for it, but it's not in our best interests to do so.

Matt

Cidersomerset
14th April 2014, 20:54
Yes but the USA has not been a democracy for a lot longer than 50 years. Try it's entire existence

I know that it was set up by Freemasons with a long term agenda playing out now, but I was
being brief in the intro. There is a lot more to it than I wrote.

Milneman
14th April 2014, 21:03
The problem is democracy exists, but it cannot exist in a mixed economy. Anywhere. Ever.

PurpleLama
14th April 2014, 21:08
Yes but the USA has not been a democracy for a lot longer than 50 years. Try it's entire existence! A democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. THAT is not the system of governance that was established in the USA. We are (supposed to be) a constitutional republic, where the rights of the few cannot be infringed upon by an ignorant or easily manipulated majority. Some will think I'm splitting hairs here but the difference is important because the term democracy has been mangled beyond recognition. So many lament that we don't have it, and want to strive for it, but it's not in our best interests to do so.

Matt


Yep . (http://www.iefd.org/articles/constitution_for_the_few.php)

Cidersomerset
14th April 2014, 21:21
The problem is democracy exists, but it cannot exist in a mixed economy. Anywhere. Ever.

All forms of governance have flaws, Churchill gave some quotes on the subject but
he came from the ruling class's . This is the view of the elites , give the people
the illusion of democracy , while we rule as we have always done.



http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-it-has-been-said-that-democracy-is-the-worst-form-of-government-except-all-the-others-that-have-winston-churchill-37200.jpg

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/the+best+of+a+bad+situation_eb3d44_4940524.jpg

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=churchill+democracy+least+worst&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=nU5MU6vtNdHB7AbD0oH4CQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=963#facrc=_&imgdii=FcQBq7w0OamQ8M%3A%3B5X7gebWZb7veJM%3BFcQBq7w0OamQ8M%3A&imgrc=FcQBq7w0OamQ8M%253A%3BP9T5R4CDUX4WbM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fizquotes.com%252Fquotes-pictures%252Fquote-it-has-been-said-that-democracy-is-the-worst-form-of-government-except-all-the-others-that-have-winston-churchill-37200.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.thecoli.com%252Fthreads%252Fwhich-form-of-government-do-you-think-would-work-best.185000%252F%3B850%3B400

Tesla_WTC_Solution
14th April 2014, 21:30
The Bush/Blair Snitch Project?

Somehow that doesn't ring right.

Cardillac
14th April 2014, 21:52
the US was turned almost overnight into a corporatocracy by the Act of 1871; if one gives "renegade" historian Douglas Dietrich any credulity whatsoever no-one explains it any better than he does;

the last remnants of a US Democracy died with Kennedy; just for starters start with Joseph Farrell's "LBJ and the Conspiracy to Kill Kennedy" let alone the extensive research of Jim Marrs- then for good measure throw in Judyth Vary Baker's (yes, I've spelled her name correctly let alone read her book) "Me and Lee" about who Lee Harvey Oswald really was (excluding, of course, there were most probably two Oswalds- but that's another chapter- Baker's testimony deals with the Oswald with whom she was dealt)-

anyway, an oligarchy is nothing more than a corporatocracy; two masks on the same face-

please stay well all-

Larry

Milneman
16th April 2014, 21:23
Cider...lol

Democracy, except perhaps for Athens, has never been tried.

Cidersomerset
16th April 2014, 22:46
Cider...lol

Democracy, except perhaps for Athens, has never been tried.

Athens was not a democracy either, it had slaves and women did not
have the vote and the population was tiny compared to today. But at
least it was not a monarchy or dictatorship. They did have votes on
specific policy but the spin doctors of the time were used in the theatres.
portrayed in political satire and comic poetry.

Not much change really , just a bigger media medium that can spin
bigger lies...LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy

janicefant
17th April 2014, 01:57
The United States has always been a
Republic.

conk
17th April 2014, 18:29
Yes but the USA has not been a democracy for a lot longer than 50 years. Try it's entire existence! A democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. THAT is not the system of governance that was established in the USA. We are (supposed to be) a constitutional republic, where the rights of the few cannot be infringed upon by an ignorant or easily manipulated majority. Some will think I'm splitting hairs here but the difference is important because the term democracy has been mangled beyond recognition. So many lament that we don't have it, and want to strive for it, but it's not in our best interests to do so.

MattIndeed, the leaders want us to think we have a democracy, because they are not representing us as the system was envisioned. In a representative republic the leadership is supposed to represent US, not commerce.

araucaria
17th April 2014, 19:09
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/the+best+of+a+bad+situation_eb3d44_4940524.jpg

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=churchill+democracy+least+worst&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=nU5MU6vtNdHB7AbD0oH4CQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=963#facrc=_&imgdii=FcQBq7w0OamQ8M%3A%3B5X7gebWZb7veJM%3BFcQBq7w0OamQ8M%3A&imgrc=FcQBq7w0OamQ8M%253A%3BP9T5R4CDUX4WbM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fizquotes.com%252Fquotes-pictures%252Fquote-it-has-been-said-that-democracy-is-the-worst-form-of-government-except-all-the-others-that-have-winston-churchill-37200.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.thecoli.com%252Fthreads%252Fwhich-form-of-government-do-you-think-would-work-best.185000%252F%3B850%3B400
And probably the best display of democracy was when all the surviving cannon fodder voted Churchill out of office in 1945.

The US is an OILgarchy.

Milneman
17th April 2014, 20:02
Cider...lol

Democracy, except perhaps for Athens, has never been tried.

Athens was not a democracy either, it had slaves and women did not
have the vote and the population was tiny compared to today. But at
least it was not a monarchy or dictatorship. They did have votes on
specific policy but the spin doctors of the time were used in the theatres.
portrayed in political satire and comic poetry.

Not much change really , just a bigger media medium that can spin
bigger lies...LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy

Yeah after I posted that I went to work and thought to myself....

Oh-oh

;)

Milneman
17th April 2014, 20:06
The United States has always been a
Republic.

A republic is a form of government in which power is exercised by the public at large,[1] and affairs of state are a concern of the public sphere (from Latin: res publica), rather than privately accommodated (such as through inheritance or divine mandate). In modern times the definition of a republic is also commonly limited to a government which excludes a monarch.[1][2] Currently, 135 of the world's 206 sovereign states use the word "republic" as part of their official names.(wikipedia, Web, 4/17/14)

janice, could you elaborate on how, when more people vote for american idol rather than congress, this statement holds true for the United States? ;)

Also, I find it frightening that the majority of students at the university level do not have a basic understanding of history. Particularly in connection to events like the holocaust, and events which lead up to it. This in light of the current situation happening in Crimea.

risveglio
17th April 2014, 20:56
The problem is our acceptance of authority. Everyone should go out and buy "The Most Dangerous Superstition" by Larken Rose.

http://www.larkenrose.com/store/category/13-books.html

Here is an interview with Larken and Tom Woods. At 15 minutes Woods plays devil's advocate as a statist.
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I want to add to this. All forms of government are evil and wrong. They are all like a form of cancer. Do any of you know a good form of cancer? If you cure one form of cancer, do you look to replace it with something else?