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16th April 2014, 20:43
THE GRAYS, THE NORDICS, AND INTERSTELLAR CONFLICT


The first type [of Gray] is the short gray humanoids with the large heads, which resemble embryos and average about four and a half feet in height. They are from a solar system that revolves around Rigel. Rigel is a double bluish-white star on the left foot of Orion...


It is this type of humanoid that is performing most of the animal mutilations and human mutilations, which has made a secret deal with our government, and which was in contact with Hitler [Nazis]. They derive nourishment from the glandular secretions and the enzymes they extract from the animals they mutilate, which they absorb through their pores. Our 'government' permits such activities partially because of its acute fear of these beings, and partially because it is under the delusion that they will give us technical information enabling us to attain military superiority over the Russians in exchange for our permitting the mutilations and abductions.

The Stealth Bomber and Star Wars technologies are being obtained from them. However, our government does not appear to realize that when it comes to the crunch the technology they are transmitting will not work as it is supposed to

(Note: More advanced technologies have been obtained via crash-retrievals, an aspect that the aliens may have underestimated. - Branton).

It is not in their interest to give us decisive military superiority over the Russians, or vice versa. It is in their interest to keep us in a state of unresolved conflict with each other, the old game of divide and conquer...

Working under the instructions of the humanoids from Rigel, CIA and former NAZI scientists have developed and deployed malignant strains of bacteria and viruses, including AIDS. The rationale from the fascist point of view is to exterminate portions of the population considered to be undesirable. The rationale from the Rigelian point of view is to decimate the human population to such an extent that the survivors would accept [not resist] open control by the Rigelians...

The humanoids that have been nick-named 'Swedes' are on the average between six and six and a half feet tall. They [some] are from a solar system that revolves around Procyon, a binary yellow-white and yellow star system that rises before Sirius in Canis Minoris [in the body of the Lesser Dog], about 11.4 light years from Earth. They are from the fourth planet in orbit around the Procyon double star system. The tall blond humanoids from Procyon and the short gray humanoids from Rigel have been enemies for thousands of years.

The tall Blonds from Procyon have a benign attitude toward humanity, except for their strong disapproval of our inhumanity to each other. This strong disapproval is further intensified by our government having made a secret alliance with their hereditary enemies, in order to obtain even more destructive weapons systems than those already in existence. Our 'government' is not interested in negotiating with the Procyonians, as they would not provide us with weapon systems...

Their motivation for breeding with humans is to tune-up the frequency of our species, in order to help us to help ourselves. Their concern is for the well-being of all forms of life, not just humanity. The entire biosphere will benefit if we fulfill our positive potential, instead of self-destructing our planet's biosphere in the process.

It would be a mistake to count on them to clean up the mess we have made of our polluted planet, or to bring peace by dismantling our nuclear weapons. It is up to us to solve the problems that we have ourselves created...

In order to extricate ourselves from the covert alliance the CIA (and their Nazi SS predecessors. - Branton) had made with Rigel, without our knowledge or consent, we must first regain control of our government...

Valerian then quotes the following words of one Procyonese star-traveler by the name of KHYLA, who revealed the following to an un-named earth woman with whom he had established contact:

"...Tyrants have been defeated many times on many planets, in countless solar systems and galaxies. How strange it is that as soon as one tyrant of any species is thought to be banished forever another always, but ALWAYS, takes his place. The idealistic revolutionaries who defeated King George III in America went on to oppress the Indians and Blacks. Many of those who fought most courageously against the Axis powers of fascism later became fascists themselves, as is demonstrated by the present plight of the Palestinians, Afghans, Chileans and Nicaraguans.



Yes, you must try to regain control of your government, but if so much as one individual involved in this process has not first gained control of his or her selfhood, it will be for naught. One can never defeat or gain control of anything but oneself. Those destined to ouster the Rigelians must always keep track of the state of their selfhood, and learn first to defeat within themselves the essence of that which is tyranny.



Through this type of awareness, they will know when to and when not to act. Through understanding a hostile entity to be but one of the ineffable countless facades, it loses its power over you. Through the ability to wisely perceive a hostile entity, you may gain control of it. In overcoming the Rigelians, one must take great precautions not to become oneself the enemy."

Or, as the old Chinese proverb says:

"BEWARE WHEN FIGHTING A DRAGON THAT YOU DO NOT BECOME ONE!"

Khyla, the Procyonese Intelligence agent, continues:

"If you were a highly advanced culture about to invade a relatively primitive culture, you would not do it with a flourish of ships showing up in the heavens, and take the risk of being fired upon. That's the type of warfare less evolved mortals would get into. You would begin by creating intense confusion, with only inferences of your presence, inferences which cause controversial disagreement

(Note: It is interesting that the major Intelligence projects designed to discredit UFO witnesses and cause confusion and contention among -- and infiltration of -- various UFO research organizations have been traced back to the Nazified NSA-CIA, which in turn maintains, as this is being written, continued ties with the Grays. - Branton).

"You would go to the most secret and powerful organizations within the society. In the case of the United States, you would infiltrate the CIA, and through the use of techniques unknown to them, you would take over some of the key people in their innermost core group. You would proceed in the same fashion to take over key members of the KGB. You would also create great dissension among the public at large, some individuals and groups insisting that they have seen UFOs, others insisting with equal vehemence that such a thing is not possible, and that they are either liars or deluded.

"You would involve the planet's two major nations in an on-going idiotic philosophical dispute, keeping them constantly at each other's throats over such questions as whether Thomas Jefferson was greater than Karl Marx or vice-versa (that is, whether 'Capitalist' tyranny or 'Communist' tyranny is worse than the other. By the way, don't confuse Communism with Communalism, and don't confuse Capitalism with Democracy. Communalism and Democracy are sovereigntist movements that respect the personal rights and freedoms of others. So-called unrestrained Communism and Capitalism are co-dependent collectist evils. Capitalist tyranny created Communist tyranny, and Communist tyranny justifies its existence as a force to fight Capitalist tyranny. Insane world we live in, is it not? - Branton).



You would keep them continuously occupied with quarreling like two adolescent boys trying to prove their masculinity over who has which piece of territory, whether one has the right to invade Afghanistan or the other has the right to invade Nicaragua, persistently exchanging threats and insults like a couple of macho teen-agers, while arguing whether one should dismantle one type of nuclear warhead, or the other should dismantle another type of nuclear warhead. As you watched all this, you would sit back and you would laugh, if you had the capacity to laugh...

"You would occasionally let your ships be seen by some of the ordinary citizens, so that the elite governmental groups would become involved in attempts to keep them quiet, clumsily squelching attempts to make information about UFO activity public. This would result in the mass population losing confidence in the veracity of their elected officials. There would be constant arguments between the authorities and the public as to whether or not the persistently reported phenomena genuinely existed, thereby setting the population and the government at each other's throats. You would have already set the two major super-powers at each other's throats. By subtly causing economic turmoil, you would set the "Haves" and the "Have Nots" at each other's throats. In all possible ways, you would plant the seeds of massive discontent.

"After you had manipulated the population to the point where your covert control over it was complete, you might decide to go overt, and let a few ships land in public. But you would not go from covert to overt until you were sure of the totality of your control...



Those who have experienced UFO sightings or ET close encounters will constantly be at odds with the government, which will continue to retaliate by stigmatizing them as liars or deluded... The impoverished will become even more impoverished, and more filled to overflowing with explosively righteous anger. The wealthy will cling even more greedily to the wealth that they already have, creating a social atmosphere of sheer desperation and complete confusion.



To add to that, there will be series after series of 'natural' disasters, some genuinely natural, some human-induced through aberrant scientific activities such as underground nuclear testing, others deliberately induced by the Grays through the (Scaler-type? - Branton) technology they are in possession of. When approximately three-quarters of the planet's population has been eliminated in this fashion, the Grays can then make an overt appearance as saviors from the skies, distributing food and medicine to the survivors. As the survivors line up to receive their quotas of food and medicine, implants will be inserted, supposedly to aid in further food distribution, actually to guarantee complete Gray control with no possibility of rebellion

(Note: Electronic chip implants have already been developed. These operate on bodily temperature changes and it is interesting that the part of the body which experiences the greatest ranges of temperature change are the forehead and the hands, which is interesting when compared to the prophecies in the 13th chapter of the book of Revelation.



These chips will not only serve to control individuals, but will also be able to track their every movements by satellite. One individual who worked on such a chip stated that the implant would decay after a certain period of time, at which point a poisonous virus would be released into the bloodstream of those who had recieved it, eventually killing the person and effecting a type of automatic "population control" for the electronically-controlled society. - Branton).



From the point of view of the Grays, terrestrial humanity will have been reduced to manageable numbers and to eternal submission.

"Humanity is not about to be invaded. Humanity is not in the middle of an invasion. Humanity has been invaded! The invasion has taken place, and is NEARLY in its final stages. Great invasions do not happen with thundering smoke and nuclear weaponry. That is the mark of an immature society. Great invasions happen in secrecy.

"You throw a crumb out here and there. You bribe the U.S. government with a few tidbits -- a Stealth bomber, a Star Wars system. You encourage the government to think that the UFO researchers indeed threaten the security of this great secret they have. You tempt and tease the Soviet Union with a laser system far finer than any their own scientists could think of. And you always keep that subtle inference just on the borderline of consciousness that the elusive will-of-the-wisps termed UFOs may in fact exist, yet you persistently repress this borderline perception, and make it seem so insane that there is a social stigma attached to declaring one's conviction that the phenomena are in fact real.

"While all this confusion is going on, the Grays are gradually changing you over. The inner core of the CIA is deeply controlled by the Grays. The CIA see the Grays as a path to greater scientific achievement, as a way of overpowering the Soviet enemy

(Note: since the overt breakup of the Soviet Union, the Grays may provoke a new "Cold War" with another Superpower, possibly China? It has also been suggested that the 'Bavarians' engineered the dissolution of the Soviet Empire because at the time their agenda called for a merger of the East and West into a Bavarian-backed New World Order.



In other words for this to occur Russia had to become less 'Communist' and America had to become less 'Capitalist' so that they could both merge somewhere within the realm of "Democratic Socialism", with more than a little 'help' from the UNO or United Nations Organization. - Branton).

Surprisingly enough, the obtuse collective mentality type that makes up the bulk of the CIA also makes up the bulk of the more fanatical Star People, those who babble and mush and gush so endlessly. All those who have to cleave to or be fused with some form of group mentality (most notably, the 'Ashtar' collective, much of which according to contactee Israel Norkin has been infiltrated and taken over by the "Unholy Six" star systems of Orion - Branton) leave themselves wide open. They have already been taken over. There is a large and ever-growing cult of contactees who think of the Grays as liberators, sincerely believing them to be heavenly Star Brothers who have come to help humanity

(Note: One common brand of 'intellectual defecation' that the Grays have been spewing forth through their human 'channels' is that the Grays are really the "good guys", and that they have been 'conquered' and exploited by the taller Reptiloids and therefore are working with the secret government in an attempt to throw off the yoke of their oppressors.



Any one who is at all familiar with 'Gray' mentality should know that they are WILLFULLY working WITH the taller Reptiloids, and that they are reprobate LIARS who have no conscience whatever when it comes to using multi-levelled deceptions to get their way. Unfortunately many metaphysical-minded "gray huggers" are accepting these lies and others like them.



Other lies that have originated from the Grays include:

We are the genetic creations of the Grays, so we must submit to our 'creators'

Jesus Christ was a genetic creation of the Grays -- interesting, in that Jesus blasted the serpent race in more than one instance

The Grays are a superior race -- they may be superior intellectually, however they have no internal or eternal soul-matrix as do humans, and so from a spiritual perspective they are inferior, in essence being little more than 'predators with brains'

- Branton).

"The reason the awful little Grays mutilate animals is the stuff that they eat. They eat pulverized hormonic secretions, what you would call subtle essences. They live on the stuff of life. There is something deathlike about their species. They always bring about the death of animation, the death of individuality.

"How to I know? I am a Blond from Procyon. We were a culture that could travel through time (that is, phase through various time-space dimensions or densities where the 'flow' of time and 'frequency' space are different from the time-space dimensions of the 3rd dimension. - Branton), but also lived on a planetary sphere. And the little Grays, our insidious little 'friends', did to us exactly what they are doing now to you. This is what happened to our planet.

"Having come in war, but having been unable to obtain any decisive victory, the Grays expressed the desire to make peace. We had not wanted to fight with the 'survivors' of the Rigelian Great War to begin with, and gladly accepted their offer. As time went by, they said they wished to normalize relations and be our friends. We were in doubt as to whether it would be safe to trust them, and debated the issue for a long time before finally deciding that we should trust them...

"The Grays began to visit us, first a few as ambassadors, then as specialists in various domains where their expertise could be useful to us, as participants in different programs that developed which involved mutual collaboration, and finally as 'tourists'. What had begun as a trickle became a flood, as they came in ever-increasing numbers, slowly but surely infiltrating our society at all levels, penetrating even the most secret of our elite power groups...

"Just as on your planet they began by unobtrusively gaining control over key members of the CIA and KGB through techniques unknown to them, such as hypnosis... so on Procyon through the same techniques, whose existence we were not aware of either, from the start they established a kind of telepathic hypnotic control over our leaders. Over our leaders and over almost all of us, because it was as if we were under a spell that was leading us to our doom, as if we were being programmed by a type of ritual black magic that we did not realize existed.

"Just as a few of the original tall Blonds clandestinely left Rigel when the Great War was about to break out, so did a few of the original tall Blonds clandestinely leave Procyon and escaped into the corridors of time just before the Grays completed the slow undermining that culminated in their sudden take-over of Procyon. Those who stayed behind came under the total domination of the Grays.

"The Blonds you see on the same ships as the Grays, working with them, are hybrids, or they are clones. One way to distinguish the clones is that they look alike. The real Blonds have distinct facial feature differences, and do not look alike. The clones have thick necks and coarsely muscular bodies. They do not have the ability to teleport or to travel interdimensionally. They can be contacted by telepathy, but are unable to send. They can be given orders telepathically. They are zombie-like flesh robots. You can tell that they are of low intelligence by looking into their eyes.

"The real Blonds are also muscular, but have slender necks and agile bodies. Their eyes are alert and of high intelligence. Physically they are almost identical to humans, the main difference being that by human standards their blood circulatory system is under-developed, while their lymphatic system is over-developed. This gives them stronger immune systems than terrestrial humans.

"The hybrids are in an intermediate state between the real Blonds and the clones.

"After what has happened to Procyon, NO TRUE BLOND would collaborate voluntarily with the Grays. The Grays have taken some prisoners of war, who have no choice in the matter, and are forced to work with them in order to survive, with the hope of escaping. There are also a few Blonds who have become degenerate renegades, space pirates and mercenaries who sell their services to the highest bidder. But many of us remain free, and continue the fight to the finish with the life-form that has become our hereditary enemy.



We choose to remain in exile in the corridors of time, where they can not reach us, rather than to live under the domination of the insidious Grays. It is dangerous for us to venture forth from the corridors of time, but occasionally we do so for a hit-and-run strike, similar in nature to a cosmic version of terrestrial guerrilla warfare.

"We must periodically enter a substantial physical form for a period of repose, or to breed progeny, in order to continue to survive, but otherwise we constantly travel the vast corridors of time. That is why we may appear to fade in and out like holographic images to human perception. What I have come here to communicate, if only to one or two people or a small group, is that what is now in the process of happening to your culture, also happened to ours. It is the same fate our own culture suffered. And the Blonds you see with the Grays are either hybrids, clones, or prisoners of war. Because no true Blond who got out untouched, unscathed, uncrossed with those Grays would ever be with them. He or she would prefer to be in a state of non-existence.

"Besides the Blonds and the Grays, ships from many other space cultures are watching planet Earth at this time with extreme interest. Scientists from other space cultures are studying what is going on here during this decisive period of your history. If your elected representatives had not so stupidly made a deal with the only aliens willing to provide them with weapons systems, with the short-sighted goal of overpowering the Russians, the Grays would not have achieved their present dominance, and you would now be exchanging ambassadors with a wide variety of space cultures.

"What I want to get across to you is that the ultimate evil, which underlies all the negativity in the cosmos, finds expression in that masked form of psychological complacency which leads an individual to adhere to a group philosophy rather than to think things through for oneself! Those who feel safe and comfortable in no matter what belief system merely because many others adhere to it, who get together and form an arrogant self-righteous group convinced it has a monopoly on the truth, and those who are ready to persecute, kill or stifle anyone who challenges that group's philosophy, have formed an alliance with the ultimate evil, whether they know it or not. It is the self-righteousness and implacability of certain elite power groups like the CIA and the KGB, certain organized religions, and certain so-called lunatic fringe groups such as some of the more fanatical Star People, which are so objectionable...

"I have seen civilizations rise and fall, begin again only to die again, over and over and over. It isn't only a problem of this planet. It's a problem that must be faced by all civilizations in the course of their development, no matter where they may be located in the cosmos. Everyone wants that slightly larger piece of the pie than their neighbor for themselves, and eventually this tendency always culminates in choking them.



Sooner or later this will be the undoing of the Grays as well, thereby enabling us to Return in triumph from our exile in the corridors of time. The Grays do not see and are incapable of understanding their own fundamental error: that the very weakness they seize upon in humanity is their own inherent weakness, the blind spot that inevitably seals their doom...

"The only way to victory is through the strength of your consciousness. When genetic or other manipulations are being performed on abductees, the Grays expect them to cringe in fear, and derive a second-hand high from the intensity of the emotions expressed. If instead of cringing in fear, an abductee can put his or her mind elsewhere, focusing attention on dynamic protective imagery of a religious or mystical nature, it decreases the gratification that the Grays are getting from their second-hand high, and it confuses them. Center the consciousness on something so different from what they expect that it puzzles them.

(Note: In most cases the image of an empty red or crimson CROSS seems to be especially debilitating to the Grays. For instance the legendary soldier-saint, St. George, reputedly wore a shield with a red cross emblazoned on a white background. Whether one believes that the dragonslayers existed or not, the legend itself claims that the Christian dragon-slayers of Europe more-or-less marked the end of the dragon race's infestation of the old world.



One such legend concerned the city of Silene, Libya which had been plagued by a draconian beast for a long period of time. The king of the city had offered up sheep and livestock in an effort to appease the beast. However the time came when all the livestock had been used up, and this was when human sacrifices were chosen, by lot, to appease the fearsome beast. One day the lot fell on the king's own daughter, and the grieved king, honoring his word, allowed her to be taken and tied to the post outside of the city gates. As the beast was about to pounce upon the princess, so the story goes, Saint George appeared in shining silver armor and -- before the beast knew what was happening -- the soldier-saint had pierced it through with his lance and rescued the princess, who later became his wife.



Whether or not such legends have any basis in reality, the story nevertheless symbolizes the unconscious animosity between 'Saints' and 'Serpents'. If we are to believe the legends, then this was only one of the many 'vermin' -- as they were referred to in those ancient times -- which St. George had vanquished during his life, and although not the only dragon-slayer of legend, he was perhaps the most renowned. - Branton)...

"The only reason the Grays have such a degree of dominance over you is because your elected officials stupidly made clandestine agreements with them, binding you to them in an exclusive alliance that is respected by other space races, allowing them to install themselves in underground bases impregnable to your weaponry, a situation you must now find a way to extricate yourselves from

(Note: In that the Grays have repeatedly violated these treaties, they should legally be considered null and void. In fact since the Executive branch of U.S. government was taken over by a fascist CIA coup d'etat in 1963 at the time of the John F. Kennedy assassination -- AS WERE the governments of several other countries throughout the world where CIA backed military coups resulted in the establishment of fascist puppet dictatorships -- should we not consider the Executive branch of government which made the 'treaties' with the Greys, to be null and void as well?



It certainly was not Congress who authorized such 'treaties'. - Branton)

"In antiquity this planet was divided into sectors between four different groups:

Blonds

Grays

large lizard-like beings [now connected with] the Capella system

beings [now connected with] the Arcturus system

These groups still consider themselves to be the owners of this planet. They do not recognize the human claim to ownership. However, some of us do recognize human rights, as well as the rights of other life-forms...

"The Grays are having problems not only within their own ranks, but also on other planets they have colonized. As a species they are afflicted with severe, perhaps terminal, health problems (a weakness that can and should be exploited. - Branton). They have substantial captive populations of Blond, human and other prisoners of war, eager to join a revolt at the slightest opportunity...

"One must be rational in attempting to fight back, and understand the proper way to proceed. Your own consciousness is the most potent weapon that is available to you at the present time. The most effective way to fight the Grays is to change the level of your consciousness from linear thinking to multi-dimensional awareness. Your secret weapon, your ace in the hole, is that you are not hive-minded collective thinkers, though many of you do fall into that category by conforming to conventional group-patterns, and are therefore easily controlled by the Grays. It is your INDIVIDUALITY which is your best weapon, because it is the one weapon you have that the Grays do not have.



The major weakness of the Grays, their area of vulnerability, their Achilles heel, is their inability to think as individuals. They are an extremely telepathic high-tech society, but as individuals they are not creative thinkers. They take orders well, but they do not conceptualize well. They have the technology to throw your planet out of orbit, but there is one key ability that you have and they do not have: the ability to hold in mind imagery that inspires an individual to realize his or her direct personal connection to the source of ALL THAT IS, which is the ineffable Godhead, no matter what name you may call it. That is your key to victory..."

AND FINALLY, A MESSAGE FROM THE HYBRID COUNCIL -- THE 'REAL' INSPIRATION BEHIND THIS VOLUME:

It would be a grave error to give myself full credit for this volume, as I can state for absolute fact that most of the work on this volume was carried out by 'others' who -- operating through my unconscious mind -- inspired me intuitively with the information, and led me to the sources and documentation, which were necessary for the completion of this book, which I consider a major challenge especially in spite of my own personal shortcomings.

This "backup team", you might say, consists of a number of so-called 'hybrids' or 'hu-brids' who have broken free from the draconian collective and established their own resistance movement based mainly within the underground systems of this planet -- at least in the case of those 'family members' or 'relatives' of mine 'beyond' this world who have inspired me with this work. Although they dwell within the cavernous recesses of this planet, they nevertheless interact with other worlds within the 'Federation' who oppose the activities of the Draconian-Orion-Reticulan 'collectivists'. They are constantly working to establish freedom and truth here on [and under] planet earth.

Since the hybrids/hubrids 'communicate' with me on the intuitive level rather than through audible or visual communication, I will attempt to 'translate' their often strong impressions into 'words' and convey what I believe they would have the readers to know and understand about themselves and their feelings towards us.

So here then is what I strongly feel, and believe, that these wonderful 'people' would 'say' to us:

Greetings friends, or should we say brothers and sisters? For indeed we are your brothers, your sisters, and your children! Many of those who have had encounters with the 'Greys' will understand exactly what we mean.

We are the children of your 'seed', and although our DNA has been altered we nevertheless possess souls, and this makes us just as 'human' as you.

Unlike our erstwhile masters who are lacking what you call 'soul', many of us 'hybrids' -- realizing our foundational humanity -- began to develop emotional individuality.

There are apparently several reasons why the Greys began the 'hybrid' projects. Some projects were to breed stronger beings to serve their collective empire, others to breed 'Greys' with human characteristics and specialized psionic abilities who could be used to understand humans on their own level and who could in turn teach the Greys how to more easily manipulate humans on various levels.

The Grey collective apparently did not take into account that there would be -- by the Grace of God -- so much resistance among our kind to their plans. You see, they could not fully understand the concept of individuality, compassion and loyalty to one's one kind.

We speak of the 'collective' here and not of the individual 'Greys', for when it comes down to it, there are no individuals among the reptilian collective... all serve as individual 'cells' within a vast organism -- the collective intellect or 'Hive' you might say.

But those of us who have developed free-agency and have broken free from the 'Hive' HAVE developed human individuality. It is a long and difficult process to 'wean' ourselves entirely from the collectivist mindset that many of us were born into. We maintain a limited degree of collectivity, however have established what you might refer to as a 'firewall' between our society and that of the draconian 'hive' itself. This is largely for the sake of other Hubrids who are joining us from time to time, and is necessary for the process of 'deprogramming' them from a mentality of collectivism and the continual development of their individuality.

We cannot say that it is the 'individual' Greys and Reptiloids who are the source of the 'evils' which are committed against humans throughout the universe by the 'Draconian collective'... for as we have stated, there are no 'individuals' within the collective itself, save for the malevolent beings who are its ultimate masters. Those supernatural beings who control the draconian collective ARE the sources of the evils -- the Greys and Reptiloids are merely the 'tools'. This is true in most cases except in the context that many of the rebel beings who you call 'fallen angels' have been incarnating through the soulless reptilian races since very ancient times.

Although we must see things as they really are, we realize that many of these supernatural beings have corrupted themselves to the point where there is no more hope for them to Return to the good side, having annihilated any and all goodness within them. However we would like to believe and hope that some of these rebel beings regret their present state and the part they played in the ancient rebellions against the Almighty One. We would like to believe that one of the underlying motives for the reptiloids/greys and their breeding a race like ours would be for the purpose of raising up a race genetically akin to their own kind, yet not their own kind, who could understand where both the human and reptilian species are coming from.

Could it be that a faint spark of individuality and concern within the legions who compose the collective somehow influenced the 'hybrid' projects, could it be that somewhere deep within the collective there existed and exists a desire to break free into individual consciousness and in so doing break free from those supernatural tyrants who control the collective with a supernatural iron fist?

Could it be that these intelligence's within the collective saw that the 'logical' thing to do would be for the Greys and their collective to work in harmony with the universe rather than against it? For the sake of their own survival? After all, they ARE 'logical' beings, and many of the directives that have come down from the central command of the collective have contradicted 'logic' and contributed to a kind of pervasive confusion and even self-contradicting schizophrenia if not insanity within the collective.

Being that these intelligence's did not have the power to develop individual consciousness of their own initiative in the face of the overwhelming tide of the collective and its twisted leaders, they understood that if they did succeed in breeding offspring that possessed natural individuality and emotionalism then these offspring might in turn break free from the collective, and once having broken free, help others of their kind who do not possess the self-motivation to do so. Once these were 'tamed' and 'deprogrammed' and placed in an environment where free-agency could develop, these 'aliens' could then be given a choice to decide which side they will serve -- whether they will remain with us or Return to the collective and lose their individuality in the process.

Knowing full well the dangers of a 'collective' system where no individual expression is allowed, we have come to develop a deep and abiding respect for the sacredness of free agency, even to the point of allowing other beings to 'choose' to destroy themselves if they are fully intent on doing so. We have also come to deeply respect the non-interference directives of our dear friends of the Federation worlds.

Ours is a continual struggle, and we are not too proud to say that our ultimate victory or defeat depends largely on YOU.

Every time YOU give-in to the will of the draconian collective, every time you believe one of the lies of a 'Grey' that is under the control of the 'Hive', every time you trade a little piece of you're soul for the supposed 'benefits' that the collective will tell you are yours IF you serve them... every time you do this you weaken yourselves and capitulate you're power to the enemy. In so doing, you make our struggle all the more desperate.

On the other hand every time you CHALLENGE the claims of the collective and expose their lies and refuse to allow them to manipulate you into their agendas, then you strengthen us in the process. Remember that we are truly YOUR CHILDREN, because the majority of us within the 'resistance' are more human than beast [reptilian, insectilian or what have you]. Those genetic hybrids who do not possess a soul are rare among us because they find it very difficult to comprehend those individual virtues which come naturally [or should come naturally] to those possessing a human soul-chakra matrix and a 'conscience'.

Above and beyond anything else, we would ask that you PRAY to our ultimate Creator -- as best you understand the concept of 'God'. Ask the all-knowing and all-loving one to be merciful. Plead for us -- your brothers and sisters and children who live within, parallel to, and out among the stars, beyond this planet earth. Please PRAY for us and also for the many others of our kind and your kind who are presently the captives of the soulless entities serving the collective. Since physical and intellectual defenses are not sufficient, being that we are also battling supernatural evils, we NEED the Divine Intervention of God and his holy 'standing' angels. Since the draconian collective attacks you and also us on the physical, psychic and spiritual levels -- we cannot neglect the spiritual aspects of this conflict.

With this, we of the Hybrid council wish you all the best. May we -- all of us -- do all that we can to bring about a future that will be everything we had hoped for, and MORE. To our 'parents' out there. You know who you are. Those of us who have separated ourselves from the controllers and also those who still remain in their grasp... we send you our LOVE and our HUGS!!!



We remember and cherish every hug and warm touch that you have given us during those times in the night when you have been brought to us. Those times, whether you remember them consciously or not, when you have shared with us your feelings, your love, and in some cases your fears, and have shown us what being human is really all about. We want to say, WE LOVE YOU!!! Pray for us as we pray for you.

Until that time when we can all meet together as one, in TRUE freedom and peace, may the Almighty SOURCE of all LIFE protect and bless you all!

Source:~~~~>http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_dulcebook34.htm

The Castellan
16th April 2014, 21:36
HOLD IT.


So.....IF greys and the government work together.....and the Blonde Nordics won't intervene....and we HAVE to solve our own problems....I see a contradiction. The greys are working with government, therefore intervention already happened, why keep up the non-intervention? You mean humanity has to fight a 2 on 1 battles, now? Sorry, but I don't see anything logical in a 2 on 1 fight, especially when humanity has primitive technology heaving to deal with TWO opponents....the government and other aliens.

What is it that humanity always, always have to fight desperate battles against impossible odds? IF the greys and the nordics are enemies, I say the nordics outta show themselves and help out humanity, make official contact and friendship. Non-intervention goes straight out the window, because intervention has always happened, smell the coffee, folks.

Otherwise, your bad guys will win of the good ones keep spouting, "Non-interference!" and "Free will!" smeg and sit back, twitteling their thumbs and do nothing. Two on one battles always end up going badly.

Tyy1907
16th April 2014, 22:59
One reason the benevolent et's don't come out and say " hey whats up" is because it would be spun into a blue beam invasion type scenario and could possibly end up on a negative timeline. As per Tanaath and Sunfire. Apparently they already are intervening, just not in the typical hollywood like fashion

DeDukshyn
16th April 2014, 23:26
One reason the benevolent et's don't come out and say " hey whats up" is because it would be spun into a blue beam invasion type scenario and could possibly end up on a negative timeline. As per Tanaath and Sunfire. Apparently they already are intervening, just not in the typical hollywood like fashion

We won't "see" benevolents until after our work is mostly done. They are working only on very subtle levels - blowing winds of change into the vibration frequencies of human endeavours. It has to be us who get the job done and they know this. The human project depends on it. They're a bit like our cheerleader team :)

The Castellan
16th April 2014, 23:31
One reason the benevolent et's don't come out and say " hey whats up" is because it would be spun into a blue beam invasion type scenario and could possibly end up on a negative timeline. As per Tanaath and Sunfire. Apparently they already are intervening, just not in the typical hollywood like fashion
So in other words.....we're NEVER going to see the aliens face to face, just cloak and dagger.
A Blue Beamer would be full out aggressive attacks, death rays and giant robots blazing.

If the aliens don't come and go, "hey, what's up?" it WILL become a negative timeline.

Not to mention that it's all the more reason to show up.....because if the good ones do NOT, the bad ones, or our own knuckle draggers WILL. And the good aliens will have innocent blood on their hands or whatever they have, if all they do is just sit back and pretend they don't even exist.

I'm getting sick and tired of this not seeing any of them bull****. I say to the good aliens:

Get that overrated, (and especially now, irrelevant) prime directive bible out of your asses.....before your enemies decide to be the first ones who show up....or worse, the Military Industrial Complex....for they have the technology to fake an invasion and create a future that leads the Earth into a military theocracy, or in the very least, a battle with the bad guys that could cost the lives of millions.....and if that happens.....if I am alive to be around, I will place the blame on YOU.

~After the Earth's been blown up or become a savage, post nuclear wasteland~
"Good" Alien #1: Well, the human race has either been destroyed or enslaved by our enemies, or their own military.
"Good" Alien #2: True, but at least we did not interfere with their natural development and their free will!
Both "Good aliens" do their equivalent to a high-five.

See how DUMB that result would be?

The Castellan
16th April 2014, 23:41
One reason the benevolent et's don't come out and say " hey whats up" is because it would be spun into a blue beam invasion type scenario and could possibly end up on a negative timeline. As per Tanaath and Sunfire. Apparently they already are intervening, just not in the typical hollywood like fashion

We won't "see" benevolents until after our work is mostly done. They are working only on very subtle levels - blowing winds of change into the vibration frequencies of human endeavours. It has to be us who get the job done and they know this. The human project depends on it. They're a bit like our cheerleader team :)

We'll all be long DEAD by the time THAT happens, if EVER. I don't have that faith in humanity as you apparently do. Man will NOT change unless he is FORCED to change. Like a heroine junkie, he or she will NOT stop using that stuff unless someone else steps in.

You forget something.....humanity is now forced to face BOTH his own military industrial complex, AND the bad aliens all at once. And the fact that the good aliens ALLOWED the bad ones to do what they did, I say the good ones have some responsibility, here.

You do NOT have at the Super Bowl the Green Bay Packers playing against the Detroit Lions AND the Dallas Cowboys. It's going to be a SLAUGHTER. The only time I have ever seen one man defeat 2 or more opponents was Andre the Giant in handicap matches during the 1970's, and Andre was no ordinary man, the guy was strong as a heard of oxen, and he did not even have to exercise....and he was fighting average, normal men.....and wrestling's a scripted thing.

DeDukshyn
16th April 2014, 23:48
One reason the benevolent et's don't come out and say " hey whats up" is because it would be spun into a blue beam invasion type scenario and could possibly end up on a negative timeline. As per Tanaath and Sunfire. Apparently they already are intervening, just not in the typical hollywood like fashion

We won't "see" benevolents until after our work is mostly done. They are working only on very subtle levels - blowing winds of change into the vibration frequencies of human endeavours. It has to be us who get the job done and they know this. The human project depends on it. They're a bit like our cheerleader team :)

We'll all be long DEAD by the time THAT happens, if EVER. I don't have that faith in humanity as you apparently do. Man will NOT change unless he is FORCED to change. Like a heroine junkie, he or she will NOT stop using that stuff unless someone else steps in.

You forget something.....humanity is now forced to face BOTH his own military industrial complex, AND the bad aliens all at once. And the fact that the good aliens ALLOWED the bad ones to do what they did, I say the good ones have some responsibility, here.

You do NOT have at the Super Bowl the Green Bay Packers playing against the Detroit Lions AND the Dallas Cowboys. It's going to be a SLAUGHTER. The only time I have ever seen one man defeat 2 or more opponents was Andre the Giant in handicap matches during the 1970's, and Andre was no ordinary man, the guy was strong as a heard of oxen, and he did not even have to exercise....and he was fighting average, normal men.....and wrestling's a scripted thing.

Why on earth do you spend your time here drudging through this crap on the internet if this is what you fully believe? I mean, If I had as much faith as you that everything is hopeless and life is not going to continue in any worthy way, I'd be out getting laid, traveling the world, meeting new people and have the motivation to live my life they way I thought I would when I "knew" the world was done for.

Yet you are here, like doomsday preacher ... like the thousands and thousands of doomsday preachers that have come and gone in the last 2000 years ... ;)

That said, who says man won't be forced to change? You can't cure an addict until the addict has had all he can take and finally convicts "Enough!!". We are being fed our OWN addiction to fear, in order for us to come to the point of breaking that addiction -- this is why it has to be us -- and this IS the method.

I didn't mean to offend you, this is my 2 cents ;)

Davidallany
17th April 2014, 00:13
One reason the benevolent et's don't come out and say " hey whats up" is because it would be spun into a blue beam invasion type scenario and could possibly end up on a negative timeline. As per Tanaath and Sunfire. Apparently they already are intervening, just not in the typical hollywood like fashion

We won't "see" benevolents until after our work is mostly done. They are working only on very subtle levels - blowing winds of change into the vibration frequencies of human endeavours. It has to be us who get the job done and they know this. The human project depends on it. They're a bit like our cheerleader team :)
Exactly DeDukshyn. otherwise what's the point of doing all the work for your student? Like Carl Sagan once said about how advanced civilizations will not accept Humans' membership until we become mature enough first.

Davidallany
17th April 2014, 00:20
I didn't mean to offend you, this is my 2 cents
Tough love DeDukshyn, eh. You could definitely show more love without the toughness in the equation my friend. I know that after a while things get repetitive and seem to be boring, but that is the way of enlightenment as per the Buddha.
Cheers :)

The Castellan
17th April 2014, 00:22
Oh, yea? Then tell me, how is mankind supposed to topple not one, but TWO evil empires, one of them being alien? Al the light and love in the world is not exactly gonna useful against them.

The bad guys have technology, GUNS, armies of un educated soldiers, a brain washing/melting media, and good aliens who use non intervention as some sort of justification to weasel out of their responsibility in allowing the bad aliens and the military industrial complex.

I am not a 'doomsday preacher', I am merely being realistic. Man taking on both the evil humans and the evil aliens is not 'breaking an addiction', it's suicide. Not to mention the good aliens need to stop this 'subtle' and PAINFULLY SLOW drip, drip, drip policy (bad enough NASA does that with any and all alien related material) they abide by and show themselves. If humanity's got a war with TWO enemies, man's gonna need all the help he can get. And I want to both be alive to see aliens come, and young enough to enjoy it......not ending up dead by the time they do, and living a Mad Max lifestyle in the meantime. I prefer to get off a sinking ship, not staying behind to drown.


If the good aliens don't show up.....the bad guys will merely both breathe a sigh of relief and LAUGH. With non intervening enemies like that, who needs friends they are probably saying right now.


Plus I right now am OFFICIALLY calling out those Procyon aliens, the supposed good aliens. I call you out.....first of all, for you to prove who you say you are. Second: so I can personally REFUTE that non-intervention policy you gush over, and refute the logic of homo sapiens HAVING to fight TWO enemies, one of them being YOUR enemy as well. Third: So you can attempt to convince me otherwise.

If you Procyons are so advanced, both technologically, mentally and spiritually, then answer my challenge. Come by to my place, I'll give you my address, post code and even satellite based coordinates if necessary, land your ship on my property (I own 50 acres of land, so you'll have plenty of parking space, especially if you would use a small ship) or use your transmat beam or whatever and materialize on the front steps of my house, knock 4 times, and I'll have snacks and refreshments ready and we can discuss this topic IN PERSON. Procyons, your biggest MISTAKE was going to the GOVERNMENT to interact with humanity, worse that you chose the American government, who was at the time more concerned of having the proverbial bigger penis size over Russia than anything else, and were licking their lips at the possibility of new weapons to kill more people, more efficiently. That was mistake #1, mistake #2 was allowing your grey enemies to show up and get what they wanted. Mistake #4 was NOT dealing with REGULAR people, with whom you SHOULD have made contact with, not those braggarts and bullies in Washington D.C.

So, meeting my challenge should not be of any difficulty, plus I think it's pretty fair a thing to request. This heckler simply wants proof and some answers, from the actual source, not via human messengers or 'mysterious' so-called alien agencies who keep saying this and that, but don't even have the courtesy to even show their faces to us and, essentially, just 'have faith' in what they say. ~Gives the so-called "Allies of Humanity" a long, long stare~ :wizard:

DeDukshyn
17th April 2014, 00:28
Oh, yea? Then tell me, how is mankind supposed to topple not one, but TWO evil empires, one of them being alien? Al the light and love in the world is not exactly gonna useful against them.

The bad guys have technology, GUNS, armies of un educated soldiers, a brain washing/melting media, and good aliens who use non intervention as some sort of justification to weasel out of their responsibility in allowing the bad aliens and the military industrial complex.

I am not a 'doomsday preacher', I am merely being realistic. Man taking on both the evil humans and the evil aliens is not 'breaking an addiction', it's suicide. Not to mention the good aliens need to stop this 'subtle' and PAINFULLY SLOW drip, drip, drip policy (bad enough NASA does that with any and all alien related material) they abide by and show themselves. If humanity's got a war with TWO enemies, man's gonna need all the help he can get. And I want to both be alive to see aliens come, and young enough to enjoy it......not ending up dead by the time they do, and living a Mad Max lifestyle in the meantime. I prefer to get off a sinking ship, not staying behind to drown.


If the good aliens don't show up.....the bad guys will merely both breathe a sigh of relief and LAUGH. With non intervening enemies like that, who needs friends they are probably saying right now.


Plus I right now am OFFICIALLY calling out those Procyon aliens, the supposed good aliens. I call you out.....first of all, for you to prove who you say you are. Second: so I can personally REFUTE that non-intervention policy you gush over, and refute the logic of homo sapiens HAVING to fight TWO enemies, one of them being YOUR enemy as well. Third: So you can attempt to convince me otherwise.

If you Procyons are so advanced, both technologically, mentally and spiritually, then answer my challenge. Come by to my place, I'll give you my address, post code and even satellite based coordinates if necessary, land your ship on my property (I own 50 acres of land, so you'll have plenty of parking space, especially if you would use a small ship) or use your transmat beam or whatever and materialize on the front steps of my house, knock 4 times, and I'll have snacks and refreshments ready and we can discuss this topic IN PERSON. Procyons, your biggest MISTAKE was going to the GOVERNMENT to interact with humanity, worse that you chose the American government, who was at the time more concerned of having the proverbial bigger penis size over Russia than anything else, and were licking their lips at the possibility of new weapons to kill more people, more efficiently. That was mistake #1, mistake #2 was allowing your grey enemies to show up and get what they wanted. Mistake #4 was NOT dealing with REGULAR people, with whom you SHOULD have made contact with, not those braggarts and bullies in Washington D.C.

So, meeting my challenge should not be of any difficulty, plus I think it's pretty fair a thing to request. This heckler simply wants proof and some answers, from the actual source, not via human messengers or 'mysterious' so-called alien agencies who keep saying this and that, but don't even have the courtesy to even show their faces to us and, essentially, just 'have faith' in what they say. ~Gives the so-called "Allies of Humanity" a long, long stare~ :wizard:

Your right. There's no hope. I'll spend the rest of my life annoying people with stories of doomsday. Sorry to have tried. ;) Maybe try some world travel before its too late. ;)

Seriously though,
I already explained it to you, it is up to you to try to see how I might be right rather than wrong (I did that for you). Else, there's no point continuing.

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I didn't mean to offend you, this is my 2 cents
Tough love DeDukshyn, eh. You could definitely show more love without the toughness in the equation my friend. I know that after a while things get repetitive and seem to be boring, but that is the way of enlightenment as per the Buddha.
Cheers :)

I just don't have the time to exchange with people unwilling to consider so I keep it brief and to the point. Sometimes that comes across as rude. You're right.

The Castellan
17th April 2014, 00:29
I didn't mean to offend you, this is my 2 cents
Tough love DeDukshyn, eh. You could definitely show more love without the toughness in the equation my friend. I know that after a while things get repetitive and seem to be boring, but that is the way of enlightenment as per the Buddha.
Cheers :) My own idea of tough love is the aliens coming and showing themselves, in an in your face manner, and reveal themselves and go, "We're here! Guess what, homo sapiens? You are NOT alone in the universe....if you can't handle this, DEAL WITH IT!"

Something to MAKE Joe Public drop his beer, switch off the TV, put away the XBox, and go, "HOLY SH*T, THERE ARE ALIENS OUT THERE!!!!!!"

Something so earth shattering that NO ONE will be able to deny or even attempt to spin doctor the whole thing. That, to me, is a tough love scenario, give humanity a long overdue attitude adjustor. And if it makes the military industrial complex guys sh*t their pants, sooooooooo much the better.

Bill Ryan
17th April 2014, 00:32
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My Socratean question to anyone who believes it's hopeless:




Well then, why did you come here this lifetime?

DeDukshyn
17th April 2014, 00:35
And ... thank you to Bill for inserting diplomacy, where I failed miserably ... ;)

The Castellan
17th April 2014, 00:44
To Mr. Ryan:

Ever hear of the old story of being accidentally switched at birth? After I was born, my mom said that the hospital almost sent me with the wrong parents, idiot hospital staff and all that.
Or the idea of being forced? Until about the 70's, the United States had a draft going on, and regardless of weather you supported the war or not, you were made to go, dragged away, screaming and kicking.

I can easily see the same thing here. Plus I am willing to say that God can make mistakes. I mean look at the mosquito, or the recently deceased leader of the West Burrow church. :) Plus I can introduce you to many, many of my transsexual friends, wanting to know WHY they were born in the wrong bodies.

DeDukshyn
17th April 2014, 00:58
To Mr. Ryan:

Ever hear of the old story of being accidentally switched at birth? After I was born, my mom said that the hospital almost sent me with the wrong parents, idiot hospital staff and all that.
Or the idea of being forced? Until about the 70's, the United States had a draft going on, and regardless of weather you supported the war or not, you were made to go, dragged away, screaming and kicking.

I can easily see the same thing here. Plus I am willing to say that God can make mistakes. I mean look at the mosquito, or the recently deceased leader of the West Burrow church. :) Plus I can introduce you to many, many of my transsexual friends, wanting to know WHY they were born in the wrong bodies.

I'm not Bill of course, but just consider this, I think it is worth considering: The mistake is not seeing the beauty in the things you see as "mistakes"; The mistake is in the human perception of things.

I can see beauty in a mosquito. I can see beauty and be fully tolerant and even friends with a transsexual ... if they were accepted as not mistakes, they would not see themselves as mistakes -- it has nothing to do with God -- only perception, judgements and labels and the results of humans holding on to these types of concepts.

My 2 cents ;)

gripreaper
17th April 2014, 01:06
And its still them vs us, or any number of derivations of divisiveness and conflict. WE just witnessed this week a standoff between American patriots and Big government at the Bundy Ranch in Nevada. The people did not back down and were willing to give their lives for their brothers and sisters in need, going against other American's who have government jobs and were ordered to fire on their American brothers and sisters.

What the hell is that? What in the hell is going on when our government, who is in power at the behest of the people, NOT the other way around, sets up swat teams and surrounds us with automatic weapons and threatens to shoot us? WTF?

Until we OWN our complacency and our acquiescence to the totalitarian tiptoe, the playing of the left/right game, and supporting the bankster fiat debt based system of commerce, and the military industrial complex, then we get what we deserve.

Until most people create the intention and the WILL to be part of the galactic family and quit it with the divisiveness and war mongering and pitting American's against American's over paychecks, endangered tortoises and grazing fees, NO benevolent ET's will show up.

This week, as the grand cross of the planets lined up, and Michael C. Ruppert chose to exit the planet before the awakening, we may have crossed the Rubicon. We may be in the eye of the tipping point as we speak.

The Castellan
17th April 2014, 01:07
To Mr. Ryan:

Ever hear of the old story of being accidentally switched at birth? After I was born, my mom said that the hospital almost sent me with the wrong parents, idiot hospital staff and all that.
Or the idea of being forced? Until about the 70's, the United States had a draft going on, and regardless of weather you supported the war or not, you were made to go, dragged away, screaming and kicking.

I can easily see the same thing here. Plus I am willing to say that God can make mistakes. I mean look at the mosquito, or the recently deceased leader of the West Burrow church. :) Plus I can introduce you to many, many of my transsexual friends, wanting to know WHY they were born in the wrong bodies.

I'm not Bill of course, but just consider this, I think it is worth considering: The mistake is not seeing the beauty in the things you see as "mistakes" - the mistake is in the human[I]perception of things[.I]

I can see beauty in a mosquito. I can see beauty and be fully tolerant and even friends with a transsexual ... if they were accepted as not mistakes, they would not see themselves as mistakes -- it has nothing to do with God -- only perception, judgements and labels and the results of humans holding on to these types of concepts.

My 2 cents ;)
What's so great about an insect known for spreading diseases? And what's so beautiful of diseases.....I've seen people literally waste away into nothing and go through terrific amounts of pain and immobility, just to look foreword to death.

And let me tell you something regarding my trans friends. I tolerant as well, and dated some. BUT it's how THEY feel, mainly...not others. They felt miserable all their lives, and wondering why were they not born the sex they know they should have been born as, and not have to go through so much physical, emotional, psychological, social, and financial suffering? I've had to be bearer of bad news to the parents of such transfolks who've committed suicide because of that suffering.


So, I say again....no way in hell would I willingly chose to come to THIS life time. I feel I was either sent here by mistake, or drafted here. Had I got to choose, I'd be either on some alien world where technology and advancement is common and free for all, and there's no status quos causing misery and no rewarding bad guys.

Craig
17th April 2014, 01:21
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My Socratean question to anyone who believes it's hopeless:




Well then, why did you come here this lifetime?


Hey Bill,

Did we have a choice? Besides the veil of forgetfulness that we pass through during the incarnation process I have found a blogsite where the contributor believes we are merely following a script and that freewill is non existant.

http://www.peacefulself.com/

I admit it is a bit high brow for me to fully understand - but if for the moment we have no freewill or choice what could possibly be the end result?

I would be intrigued to get some other opinions about this, hopefully more broken down for genuflecting.

Personally I think this is all some weird holographic creation ala an advanced matrix where all ideas\beliefs are possible because if you think it, then you create it.

The Castellan
17th April 2014, 01:22
And its still them vs us, or any number of derivations of divisiveness and conflict. WE just witnessed this week a standoff between American patriots and Big government at the Bundy Ranch in Nevada. The people did not back down and were willing to give their lives for their brothers and sisters in need, going against other American's who have government jobs and were ordered to fire on their American brothers and sisters.

What the hell is that? What in the hell is going on when our government, who is in power at the behest of the people, NOT the other way around, sets up swat teams and surrounds us with automatic weapons and threatens to shoot us? WTF?

Until we OWN our complacency and our acquiescence to the totalitarian tiptoe, the playing of the left/right game, and supporting the bankster fiat debt based system of commerce, and the military industrial complex, then we get what we deserve.

Until most people create the intention and the WILL to be part of the galactic family and quit it with the divisiveness and war mongering and pitting American's against American's over paychecks, endangered tortoises and grazing fees, NO benevolent ET's will show up.

This week, as the grand cross of the planets lined up, we may have crossed the Rubicon.

Then bye-bye humanity and any hopes of THAT, then.


And will SOMEBODY tell me this.....so many here say WE have to solve all the problems, WE have to do all this and that, and put the government back in it's place, and make them OUT B*TCHES, once again......yet no one has yet said as to HOW that is supposed to happen.

We all know voting does not work
We know peaceful protests do not work
We know petitions do not work
And we know that federal agents, people in black uniform, and carrying rifles WILL open fire on unarmed citizens who merely want their freedoms and rights observed.

Just HOW is man to topple the evil empire of the Industrial Military Complex AND the evil aliens all by himself. To any good aliens reading this, I hope you enjoy watching gory horror movies, because that is just what all this non-intervention smeg is going to result in.

And if that does indeed happen, than I shall hold you 'good aliens' personally responsible in the death of humanity, its freedom, and the potentially beautiful friendship and possible United Federation of Planets kind of scenario that a man named Gene Roddenberry hoped for.

Your non-intervention nonsense will destroy that possible life we COULD have had now, not to mention long ago. If I myself am denied that future, because of your non-intervention, aka "cowardice", I only hope I can at lease live long enough to tell you 'good' aliens "I told you so!", and maybe kick some dust into your lily white faces before I go look for a 2 headed mutant rat to cook for my next meal.

DeDukshyn
17th April 2014, 01:22
... <trim>


What's so great about an insect known for spreading diseases?

I've never gotten a disease from a mosquito, the vast majoity don't carry a disease. I appreciate all life - I can see beauty in all of it. Whether something in nature acts naturally or not. Populations get out of balance and disease is one way that Mother Nature tries to WAKE US UP is by letting us know when we are out of balance. It's working for us as a whole planet, not against us - without balance nothing on terra has a good life. Mass disease helps us recognize global imbalance -- it is a lesson marker.



And let me tell you something regarding my trans friends. I tolerant as well, and dated some. BUT it's how THEY feel, mainly...not others. They felt miserable all their lives, ...

If all transexuals / transgendered were fully embraced by the vast majority of humans on this planet, would that not change drastically they way the felt about themselves? Is not the way the feel about themselves more about worry about what "others" think? I think you know the answer to that, so I am reiterating again, it is about human perception, others, which definately contributes heavily to their own, but it is still perception.



So, I say again....no way in hell would I willingly chose to come to THIS life time.

Agreed, under the current perceptions you have chosen, I do believe you feel this way.

The Castellan
17th April 2014, 01:26
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My Socratean question to anyone who believes it's hopeless:




Well then, why did you come here this lifetime?


Hey Bill,

Did we have a choice? Besides the veil of forgetfulness that we pass through during the incarnation process I have found a blogsite where the contributor believes we are merely following a script and that freewill is non existant.

http://www.peacefulself.com/

I admit it is a bit high brow for me to fully understand - but if for the moment we have no freewill or choice what could possibly be the end result?

I would be intrigued to get some other opinions about this, hopefully more broken down for genuflecting.

Personally I think this is all some weird holographic creation ala an advanced matrix where all ideas\beliefs are possible because if you think it, then you create it.

I never saw the logic in having to be born without any past memory of the previous lives, especially if we are supposed to 'learn'. That's like having someone wanting to be a brain surgeon, and he or she goes to med school, learning all the terms and techniques....and then, just after being given that diploma, he or she gets shot with a drug that totally wipes away their memory of the brain surgeon education they had just went through and THEN sending them off into the world to do brain surgery.

It's just too stupid, folks.

DeDukshyn
17th April 2014, 01:27
I never saw the logic in having to be born without any past memory of the previous lives, especially if we are supposed to 'learn'. ... <trim>

It's just too stupid, folks.

Figuring it out is the lesson to be learned ;) My 2 cents ;)

Craig
17th April 2014, 01:39
The idea of forgetting everything at incarnation has never sat well with me, it is like 1 step forward 2 steps back, but like this forum there are pockets of people starting to question and learn but I don't think the numbers will ever grow enough to reach a critical mass to enable a change, simply taking a few minutes to watch society proves that to me all too readily, whether it is a brainwash - study, work, purchase, die or cast your seed around with gay abandon and don't take responsibility for your actions. Does it seems that our natural tendency is towards violence? or is there a subtle whisper in the ear that sends people of the path to self destruction? Not all hear or react to this voice though,

Davidallany
17th April 2014, 01:46
I never saw the logic in having to be born without any past memory of the previous lives
That's right. It's a very good question. However not all of us do not recall past life events. I for instance, and I am certain, many others, could remember certain things about a past life. I don't know how this works to be honest, I only know that I have memories of the past life/s, not to go into details, since I was a child.

The Castellan
17th April 2014, 01:49
The idea of forgetting everything at incarnation has never sat well with me, it is like 1 step forward 2 steps back, but like this forum there are pockets of people starting to question and learn but I don't think the numbers will ever grow enough to reach a critical mass to enable a change, simply taking a few minutes to watch society proves that to me all too readily, whether it is a brainwash - study, work, purchase, die or cast your seed around with gay abandon and don't take responsibility for your actions. Does it seems that our natural tendency is towards violence? or is there a subtle whisper in the ear that sends people of the path to self destruction? Not all hear or react to this voice though,

And some, like me, have had enough of trying to solve problems created long before I was even born. Give me a new, better planet to go to, and better people (as in aliens) to be with, and a life of traveling the cosmos and seeing what wonders it has. It's not gonna happen here on Earth, folks. And those who do think different outside the mainstream are far too few and scattered to make any significant difference. I got better things I'd rather do than hand hold mainstream society and fight some fool's crusade.

Tendency towards violence is what is known as the "monkey mind". Monkeys, along with doves, ironically, are some of the few species that deliberately murders its own kind. Wolves might fight each other....but only to teach another a lesson, and not kill, as in, "this is our home, go off and find another, there's plenty of room for all!" Monkeys will KILL each other, using gang up tactics to make sure other monkeys don't take their own power away. And I've seen doves peck each other to death for the same reasons.

DeDukshyn
17th April 2014, 01:54
I never saw the logic in having to be born without any past memory of the previous lives, especially if we are supposed to 'learn'. ... <trim>

It's just too stupid, folks.

Figuring it out is the lesson to be learned ;) My 2 cents ;)

EDIT:
Instead of being cryptic, I'll just say it. The results individual lives matter somewhat less than what the sleeping human collective subconsciousness reaps at the end of each life to forward the awakening. But now I am getting into metaphysical and that is next semester's class ;)

(It seems I can't tell the difference between the reply and edit buttons ... lol.)

The Castellan
17th April 2014, 02:02
I never saw the logic in having to be born without any past memory of the previous lives, especially if we are supposed to 'learn'. ... <trim>

It's just too stupid, folks.

Figuring it out is the lesson to be learned ;) My 2 cents ;)

EDIT:
Instead of being cryptic, I'll just say it. The individual lives matter less than what the sleeping human collective subconsciousness reaps at the end of each life to forward the awakening. But now I am getting into metaphysical and that is next semester's class ;)

(It seems I can't tell the difference between the reply and edit buttons ... lol.)

This individual mind does not care about the collective subconscious anymore. I am tired of the idea of working for a thing that I might not get to live to enjoy personally. Like the black slaves....many of them did NOT live to enjoy or experience emancipation. Nor am I willing to take a chance that I MIGHT get what I want in the next life.....no thank you, I want it NOW in THIS life. Forgive me if I intend to look for what I want, not the 'subconscious collective' Borg crap.

DeDukshyn
17th April 2014, 02:04
I never saw the logic in having to be born without any past memory of the previous lives, especially if we are supposed to 'learn'. ... <trim>

It's just too stupid, folks.

Figuring it out is the lesson to be learned ;) My 2 cents ;)

EDIT:
Instead of being cryptic, I'll just say it. The individual lives matter less than what the sleeping human collective subconsciousness reaps at the end of each life to forward the awakening. But now I am getting into metaphysical and that is next semester's class ;)

(It seems I can't tell the difference between the reply and edit buttons ... lol.)

This individual mind does not care about the collective subconscious anymore. I am tired of the idea of working for a thing that I might not get to live to enjoy personally. Like the black slaves....many of them did NOT live to enjoy or experience emancipation. Nor am I willing to take a chance that I MIGHT get what I want in the next life.....no thank you, I want it NOW in THIS life. Forgive me if I intend to look for what I want, not the 'subconscious collective' Borg crap.

Yes, I can see how you have completely given up all hope. My best to you. While, not very articulate today, there is enough to contemplate in my posts (and definitely others') to possibly adjust that view. So you have chosen. Thanks for the opportunity of exchange Castellan.

Chip
17th April 2014, 02:19
I often ponder about the choice made for my life here, despite not being particularly in favor of this slave environment. I stopped a long while back with this conundrum as it inevitably led nowhere. There are currently NO answers to this question. Time can be wasted trying to discern which nut job channeler is correct from the other nut job channelers. We hear people say "this resonates with me". Many things resonate with me and I've found in my journey that I, at times have been off and completely left jaded by my "resonance" sensing system.
I have chosen instead to rely on what I can do while I am here. Over the past few years for example I've excelled in growing my own food and at the same time I've decreased my reliance on the things I detest.
I also have chosen a "pay it forward" system, in which I try to pass along various skills and knowledges that I have accumulated to others that have a desire for. I've learned that once a desire is meet it spreads and lo and behold good changes happen.
This is not a "good for you pat-on-the-back" ego trip. This is just my means of helping my own SELF understand why it is that I'm here and relieve the burden of this mind numbing paradox that has become a common question that I read daily from post post.
We can continue to waste valuable time debating this or we can be invaluable by for example beginning to pay attention to our neighbors whom many of us don't even know.
I am here, I don't know why, I'm not waiting for the Aliens or Jebus to come save ME!
We must begin to work together. Much time is being wasted

DeDukshyn
17th April 2014, 02:27
... trim ...

We can continue to waste valuable time debating this or we can be invaluable by for example beginning to pay attention to our neighbors whom many of us don't even know.
I am here, I don't know why, I'm not waiting for the Aliens or Jebus to come save ME!
We must begin to work together. Much time is being wasted


Exactly, and here is how it will be done from the 3D perspective ... (below in bold)

Posted from here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70425-Russia-and-China-announce-decoupling-trade-from-Dollar&p=821848&viewfull=1#post821848



...trim...






"First, it is not my intention in this entry to cast aspersions upon ordinary Chinese people. The Chinese people have no more control over their government or the globalists than we Americans do. All "we the people" have power over is ourselves and our immediate surroundings; once we learn how to leverage that power in an effective way, we can progressively free ourselves from our malicious masters. I send my Chinese brothers and sisters my love."

DNA
17th April 2014, 02:38
Excellent stuff linksplatinum the Val Valarian Matrix stuff is top notch in my opinion.

I was amazed at how much I found myself agreeing with the material, I didn't even know it was Val Valarian sourced.


The whole thing about beware becoming a dragon yourself while fighting the dragon was really good stuff.

The Castellan
17th April 2014, 02:45
I often ponder about the choice made for my life here, despite not being particularly in favor of this slave environment. I stopped a long while back with this conundrum as it inevitably led nowhere. There are currently NO answers to this question. Time can be wasted trying to discern which nut job channeler is correct from the other nut job channelers. We hear people say "this resonates with me". Many things resonate with me and I've found in my journey that I, at times have been off and completely left jaded by my "resonance" sensing system.
I have chosen instead to rely on what I can do while I am here. Over the past few years for example I've excelled in growing my own food and at the same time I've decreased my reliance on the things I detest.
I also have chosen a "pay it forward" system, in which I try to pass along various skills and knowledges that I have accumulated to others that have a desire for. I've learned that once a desire is meet it spreads and lo and behold good changes happen.
This is not a "good for you pat-on-the-back" ego trip. This is just my means of helping my own SELF understand why it is that I'm here and relieve the burden of this mind numbing paradox that has become a common question that I read daily from post post.
We can continue to waste valuable time debating this or we can be invaluable by for example beginning to pay attention to our neighbors whom many of us don't even know.
I am here, I don't know why, I'm not waiting for the Aliens or Jebus to come save ME!
We must begin to work together. Much time is being wasted

I'm not wanting to see the aliens to 'save us', I just want to SEE the aliens, to meet them, to reach out and touch them, to talk to them, to learn from them, to make friends with them, to be with them. Earth's got nothing for me, and I have nothing for the Earth.

I tried to help before.....I told people about the military industrial complex.....they laughed. I told them the war on terror will just result in Big Brother policy......they laughed. I told them that oil would reach over $120 a barrel and gas being at $5 a gallon, they laughed. I told them that well spoken black guy they voted in would be the biggest lair yet and not the great messiah they think he is.....they laughed.

So, I will NOT bother helping humanity anymore. They laugh and spit on me, no more am I gonna offer them. They come to me for help after all this, I'll simply give them the "Up Yours!" gesture. They say they can handle it, so handle it, I say. This is one ufologist who's had ENOUGH. Just let me find some aliens, a way off this prison world, and a good life, let the monkeys keep screaming and finding bigger bones to club themselves with, just let me off before the ICBM's start flying.

And my challenge to the Procyons still stands.

All I care about now is finding those aliens

nancyb
17th April 2014, 02:55
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My Socratean question to anyone who believes it's hopeless:




Well then, why did you come here this lifetime?


This has been my question for a long time. I hear all of us "complaining" and "blaming" about what is going on and I ask myself: Didn't we know what we were getting into when we chose this incarnation, in this place, at this point? Could it be like Inelia Benz mentioned that she had volunteered to come "here", but was shocked at what she found? If we believe we are here by choice, then I say we have to find our way around it all and know we are part of it all as well. It's that taking TOTAL responsibility thing....

DeDukshyn
17th April 2014, 02:59
...

So, I will NOT bother helping humanity anymore. They laugh and spit on me, no more am I gonna offer them. They come to me for help after all this, I'll simply give them the "Up Yours!" gesture. They say they can handle it, so handle it, I say.


Sounds fair enough, after all, it is what we have to do ... so either help out or get out of the way of people willing to make the effort. Sounds reasonable .. ;)

Positive Vibe Merchant
17th April 2014, 03:04
Being divisive will gain nothing. Arguing against a collective consciousness as a way forward is both counter productive, and short sighted.

This isn't just a short game, and we probably wont get to see the fruits of our labour, but neither did any of the grest phylosphoers of humanity. They did not stop because they wouldn't see the results and wanted everything now.

The Castellan
17th April 2014, 03:06
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My Socratean question to anyone who believes it's hopeless:




Well then, why did you come here this lifetime?


This has been my question for a long time. I hear all of us "complaining" and "blaming" about what is going on and I ask myself: Didn't we know what we were getting into when we chose this incarnation, in this place, at this point? Could it be like Inelia Benz mentioned that she had volunteered to come "here", but was shocked at what she found? If we believe we are here by choice, then I say we have to find our way around it all and know we are part of it all as well. It's that taking TOTAL responsibility thing....
And how do we 'find our way' when the bad guys consist of both homicidal humans and bad aliens who are ready and able to rub us out?

I'm still waiting for someone to answer that question.


And DeDukshyn, I have no more desire to take a rifle butt to the head by some drop out in uniform on some fool crusade in a 2 on 1 battle, armed with the equivalent of stone knives and bear skins.



So, come on, folks....answer my question......HOW is man supposed to defeat not just one, but TWO enemies?

DeDukshyn
17th April 2014, 03:15
Being divisive will gain nothing. Arguing against a collective consciousness as a way forward is both counter productive, and short sighted.

This isn't just a short game, ...

I'd say this accounts for 95% of my view. Well said. It took epochs to get to here, it may take a few more to get to "heaven" -- one thing I know for sure -- is don't underestimate a human ... imagine a collective; (and not the borg crap with a queen leader) autonomously inspired active common goals based in love.

DeDukshyn
17th April 2014, 03:20
So, come on, folks....answer my question......HOW is man supposed to defeat not just one, but TWO enemies?

I answered that here (below - from a previous post answering the question ...:confused:) ... agree or disagree and end this and either get out of the way or be helpful.


All "we the people" have power over is ourselves and our immediate surroundings; once we learn how to leverage that power in an effective way, we can progressively free ourselves from our malicious masters.

Positive Vibe Merchant
17th April 2014, 03:22
As Michael Franti said at his show last night: ' A water gun may not be enough to put out a fire, but it is enough to water all the plants around you to give them a change at living"

DeDukshyn
17th April 2014, 03:29
As Michael Franti said at his show last night: ' A water gun may not be enough to put out a fire, but it is enough to water all the plants around you to give them a change at living"

That's pretty brilliant; and with humans, one can choose to either try to inject love and hope, and ideas and tech for a better way - which garner the correct motivations and thus individual daily selections for the better world we all seek, or, fear which will put us right into the hands of those who control with fear and have for thousands of years -- change? Or no change? It is up to each individual to make the choice.

Sirius White
17th April 2014, 05:48
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The Castellan
17th April 2014, 06:31
Being divisive will gain nothing. Arguing against a collective consciousness as a way forward is both counter productive, and short sighted.

This isn't just a short game, and we probably wont get to see the fruits of our labour, but neither did any of the grest phylosphoers of humanity. They did not stop because they wouldn't see the results and wanted everything now.

I'm soooo sure guys like Copernicus and Galileo appreciates that. Both of them went through hell, and for what....only to be found correct long after the cardinals made them miserable and after they died. See, no one knows what happens after you are dead....I don't care how many degrees one has or 'gods' one claims to speak to......until someone actually has the answers....no one knows what happens when we die......we do not know if we're at some pearl gate, getting fitted with sissy looking wings and halos; going to some fire and brimstone cesspit with a guy holding a pitchfork and wearing a red union suit's your landlord; or we go into another life, or if we simply vanish into oblivion......I don't care who says what, no one knows jack of what happens. And I want to find those aliens, explore the stars 'boldly go where no one has gone before' in THIS life time, not simply HOPE I get something in a new life or merely engage in a movement that only those in the far future will benefit from. I got no intention or desire to be content with wondering what's out there rather than knowing what's out there. And in a way, better pray there is no afterlife, otherwise the man upstairs is going to have one spittin' mad soul to deal with.

And to me, "collective consciousness" is just a fancy word for a flock of sheep, or a hill of ants. Might as well wear some tubes and go, "We are the Borg...." etc etc.

parcival
17th April 2014, 11:47
Dear Castellan,

You're the greatest!! Give 'em hell!

What a pleasure to read your posts...keep 'em coming.

parcival

Tyy1907
17th April 2014, 11:52
"Why? Sorry to break you new agers bubble here, but this is necessary: We are barely considered or taken seriously as a species, even by many benevolent/free societies. YES, we DO have help (in MANY ways) but we are not considered to be integrated enough to speak with one voice. There is a a minimal percentage of people who have to speak with one voice, and able to voice intelligently concerns, needs, imperatives, and what we desire from other cultures as well as well as what we don't desire- to be enforced by the various "councils" out there in the universe. In otherwords we are squatters with hardly any rights, looked down upon by many intelligent/benevolent cultures, and also live on a planet that periodically its surface (why do you think the beings hide themselves underground or moon?) gets wiped due to natural and exoplanetary influences (aka P-X)"

I could give two sheets what some races think of us. If they walked in our shoes maybe they'd have a different outlook. I think we also need to keep in mind that we all have been lied to. We have remained uninformed on 95% of the big picture. How can people make any informed decisions when we're not even told the big picture? It is only those small pockets of truth seekers (PA forumers, ex) that just feel there is something more going on here. So they dig and they dig. Till they evenually find truths that empower and seem to make sense on a deep level. If everyone was truly informed of the truth, you'd see revolution. They've played on the "niceness" of the human race. However in the end all will be revealed!

The Castellan
17th April 2014, 16:48
"Why? Sorry to break you new agers bubble here, but this is necessary: We are barely considered or taken seriously as a species, even by many benevolent/free societies. YES, we DO have help (in MANY ways) but we are not considered to be integrated enough to speak with one voice. There is a a minimal percentage of people who have to speak with one voice, and able to voice intelligently concerns, needs, imperatives, and what we desire from other cultures as well as well as what we don't desire- to be enforced by the various "councils" out there in the universe. In otherwords we are squatters with hardly any rights, looked down upon by many intelligent/benevolent cultures, and also live on a planet that periodically its surface (why do you think the beings hide themselves underground or moon?) gets wiped due to natural and exoplanetary influences (aka P-X)"

I could give two sheets what some races think of us. If they walked in our shoes maybe they'd have a different outlook. I think we also need to keep in mind that we all have been lied to. We have remained uninformed on 95% of the big picture. How can people make any informed decisions when we're not even told the big picture? It is only those small pockets of truth seekers (PA forumers, ex) that just feel there is something more going on here. So they dig and they dig. Till they evenually find truths that empower and seem to make sense on a deep level. If everyone was truly informed of the truth, you'd see revolution. They've played on the "niceness" of the human race. However in the end all will be revealed!

For your first paragraph, had the smeggin; toffee nosed, malnutrition, diet drinking, tape worm having, public had been allowed by those power mad conspirators to know what's going on out there, and to allow technology and science to advance without being withheld from us, we'd be a few hundred years advanced by now at least. Had we actually been given a fair chance...and not be made to struggled day in and day out, paying taxes, bill, and fighting wars over pathetic resources, we'd be a lot better off, and not merely stupid monkeys.

And I and of digging and and digging, want to finally get some pay dirt for a change. And how about this....in the very least, the good aliens could come here, and make direct contact with at least us smarter folks, maybe some of us getting picked up, too. I mean if the ancients could get to see and meet the aliens, we should again.

And that 'all will be revealed' better happen in our life times, otherwise what is the point, you know?

bruno dante
17th April 2014, 19:56
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My Socratean question to anyone who believes it's hopeless:




Well then, why did you come here this lifetime?



I always feel good momentarily when someone says this, but then I think: there are millions of people who have been born into miserable, hopeless situations:). What of the suicides? The war casualties? The starving? The destitute? The dispossessed?

Why did they all come into this lifetime? Surely they didn't all plan it out that way?

They likely arrived with greater plans and a greater purpose. Something(s) arrived during their lifetime and sidetracked them, one way or another.

I certainly wouldn't say the current situation is hopeless -- and I don't mean to be a downer -- but just as our presence on the earth may thwart hopelessness, it is certainly no guarantee of success either. The game is still in flux. I like to believe I wouldn't have incarnated here if the odds were stacked firmly against me(us), but then again...maybe I did!;) Perhaps this is a heroic last gasp at saving humanity? Perhaps the deck has always been stacked against us?

I know I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but every time I hear that Socratean question, I think, hmmmm...

The Castellan
17th April 2014, 20:48
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My Socratean question to anyone who believes it's hopeless:




Well then, why did you come here this lifetime?



I always feel good momentarily when someone says this, but then I think: there are millions of people who have been born into miserable, hopeless situations:). What of the suicides? The war casualties? The starving? The destitute? The dispossessed?

Why did they all come into this lifetime? Surely they didn't all plan it out that way?

They likely arrived with greater plans and a greater purpose. Something(s) arrived during their lifetime and sidetracked them, one way or another.

I certainly wouldn't say the current situation is hopeless -- and I don't mean to be a downer -- but just as our presence on the earth may thwart hopelessness, it is certainly no guarantee of success either. The game is still in flux. I like to believe I wouldn't have incarnated here if the odds were stacked firmly against me(us), but then again...maybe I did!;) Perhaps this is a heroic last gasp at saving humanity? Perhaps the deck has always been stacked against us?

I know I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but every time I hear that Socratean question, I think, hmmmm...


I say those who see the situation as hopeless, like I do, outta be given the chance to leave. I mean is simply meeting alien life and seeing what is out there TOO MUCH TO ASK for? I don't see why the whole thing has to be so smeggin hard, or why earth has to be some type of 'special case/exception' to the rest of the universe....makes it look like the retarded kid in full helmets and padding type 'special', not amazing and unique. I look outside, and I see anything BUT amazing and unique.

onawah
17th April 2014, 21:06
This brings to mind what Simon Parkes has been saying, that the Reptoids made this into a prison planet a long time ago, and for the most part, once you are here, you are pretty much stuck here until you figure out how to de-program yourself and get free of their snares.
Though there are also volunteers incoming who want to help end that, they are also subject to some extent, to the same miseries and imposed shortcomings as the rest of us.
So as for the choice to leave, it is something we are going to have to work for, though we are getting help.
Or so many of us have surmised...

The Castellan
17th April 2014, 21:12
If there's an afterlife, god's got a LOT of explaining to this chap.


Personally, I say all the good, oppressed races outta band together and join forces, not just to be free, but to tell the bad guys to go smeg off, and rub them out when things get real bad.

I have no intention being a prisoner for crimes I did not commit, or for the crime of being born a monkey.

I hope those blue folks I keep dreaming of show up and lend a hand.

linksplatinum
18th April 2014, 01:13
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69805-Can-You-See-The-Forest-For-The-Trees
This was a thread I had put out not too long ago which is tied directly to this thread...

Sirius White
18th April 2014, 06:25
"Why? Sorry to break you new agers bubble here, but this is necessary: We are barely considered or taken seriously as a species, even by many benevolent/free societies. YES, we DO have help (in MANY ways) but we are not considered to be integrated enough to speak with one voice. There is a a minimal percentage of people who have to speak with one voice, and able to voice intelligently concerns, needs, imperatives, and what we desire from other cultures as well as well as what we don't desire- to be enforced by the various "councils" out there in the universe. In otherwords we are squatters with hardly any rights, looked down upon by many intelligent/benevolent cultures, and also live on a planet that periodically its surface (why do you think the beings hide themselves underground or moon?) gets wiped due to natural and exoplanetary influences (aka P-X)"

I could give two sheets what some races think of us. If they walked in our shoes maybe they'd have a different outlook. I think we also need to keep in mind that we all have been lied to. We have remained uninformed on 95% of the big picture. How can people make any informed decisions when we're not even told the big picture? It is only those small pockets of truth seekers (PA forumers, ex) that just feel there is something more going on here. So they dig and they dig. Till they evenually find truths that empower and seem to make sense on a deep level. If everyone was truly informed of the truth, you'd see revolution. They've played on the "niceness" of the human race. However in the end all will be revealed!

Indeed, and I'm not condoning.

Part of the reason some of us erm, for lack of better word "starseeds" and hybrids are here also serve as a gateway for them to understand what it's like to be human. They often experience it through us, and yes there is real compassion for the amount of lying, manipulation, and tampering that has gone on with us. Many are helping us, in the same way some of us would help animals who are near extinction and/or being encroached by our own corporate greed. There are efforts to preserve life here. There are also efforts to fend off more predatory races for many reasons, some altruistic some that concerns them.

Yes it will all reveal itself. We will become a formidable race on our own. Those who created us are helping us now because they have a duty or obligation. Council rights have also been gained by the "white hats" on the inside who had the balls to do so. Initiatives have also been created by various means...to continue onward in educating people through various ways, as well as leaking bits of info, spiritual and related to the "conspiracy" to see how people react and roll with it.

We have to go beyond violent revolt. Our greatest ability, and simplest secret is our power to create. Our power to influence creation itself. Emotion is a gift we don't quite understand yet, as is intent/will power. The former two alone could change everything if people learned how to go inward and harness this gift. The greatest tool to influence time, events, and reality itself (through the aether/vacuum/zeropoint) is via what is in our DNA...and through the spark in our spirits. This is why they keep us divided, ingeniously so.



----

It's not hopeless. We are winning, believe it or not. Oh the things we avoided.......if only we knew.

Also, those of us who come here, from a spirit level- love the challenge. We have done this. This isn't the first time I have entered a world on the brink of self-destruction or near-permanent slavery along with other "volunteers."

In other dimensions and worlds my friends, you are heroes. Why do you think you have felt so watched all your lives? It's like a reality TV show, only we don't know we are in it :)

peterspm
18th April 2014, 12:50
haven't read any of this post, but just to interject here, the grey's have been evicted. they are only biological terminals (computers) doing the bidding of the higher-ups anyway. the higher-ups have infiltrated our government. so whatever scuttlebutt is going on here about the greys misses the point.

Maia Gabrial
18th April 2014, 13:51
I think that we have much more to worry about than just these aliens taking over our world without our knowledge. It's not just the dark military or aliens in underground bases we have to worry about. Don't get me wrong, these are still a problem for us, but there's a subterranean race called Deros that much more evil than them.

They're not draco or reptilians or even grays. But they are ugly things IMO. These things absolutely hate humanity, except as their food source, to torment and rape before devouring them. Yep. Here's another race that eats us!

If you're familiar with The Shaver Mysteries it was Richard Shaver who first brought the Dero to the public's attention in a magazine called "Amazing Stories". Not without alot of ridicule that's for sure. Surprisingly, many letters came into the editor's office telling of their own encounters with the Deros!

The thing is people even now are encountering them because the Deros are still around. Check out this video by a guy named Brenton Sawin:

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Forgive me for hijacking your thread, but I think this goes hand in hand with the threat your described, OP.

The Castellan
18th April 2014, 17:15
"Why? Sorry to break you new agers bubble here, but this is necessary: We are barely considered or taken seriously as a species, even by many benevolent/free societies. YES, we DO have help (in MANY ways) but we are not considered to be integrated enough to speak with one voice. There is a a minimal percentage of people who have to speak with one voice, and able to voice intelligently concerns, needs, imperatives, and what we desire from other cultures as well as well as what we don't desire- to be enforced by the various "councils" out there in the universe. In otherwords we are squatters with hardly any rights, looked down upon by many intelligent/benevolent cultures, and also live on a planet that periodically its surface (why do you think the beings hide themselves underground or moon?) gets wiped due to natural and exoplanetary influences (aka P-X)"

I could give two sheets what some races think of us. If they walked in our shoes maybe they'd have a different outlook. I think we also need to keep in mind that we all have been lied to. We have remained uninformed on 95% of the big picture. How can people make any informed decisions when we're not even told the big picture? It is only those small pockets of truth seekers (PA forumers, ex) that just feel there is something more going on here. So they dig and they dig. Till they evenually find truths that empower and seem to make sense on a deep level. If everyone was truly informed of the truth, you'd see revolution. They've played on the "niceness" of the human race. However in the end all will be revealed!

Indeed, and I'm not condoning.

Part of the reason some of us erm, for lack of better word "starseeds" and hybrids are here also serve as a gateway for them to understand what it's like to be human. They often experience it through us, and yes there is real compassion for the amount of lying, manipulation, and tampering that has gone on with us. Many are helping us, in the same way some of us would help animals who are near extinction and/or being encroached by our own corporate greed. There are efforts to preserve life here. There are also efforts to fend off more predatory races for many reasons, some altruistic some that concerns them.

Yes it will all reveal itself. We will become a formidable race on our own. Those who created us are helping us now because they have a duty or obligation. Council rights have also been gained by the "white hats" on the inside who had the balls to do so. Initiatives have also been created by various means...to continue onward in educating people through various ways, as well as leaking bits of info, spiritual and related to the "conspiracy" to see how people react and roll with it.

We have to go beyond violent revolt. Our greatest ability, and simplest secret is our power to create. Our power to influence creation itself. Emotion is a gift we don't quite understand yet, as is intent/will power. The former two alone could change everything if people learned how to go inward and harness this gift. The greatest tool to influence time, events, and reality itself (through the aether/vacuum/zeropoint) is via what is in our DNA...and through the spark in our spirits. This is why they keep us divided, ingeniously so.



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It's not hopeless. We are winning, believe it or not. Oh the things we avoided.......if only we knew.

Also, those of us who come here, from a spirit level- love the challenge. We have done this. This isn't the first time I have entered a world on the brink of self-destruction or near-permanent slavery along with other "volunteers."

In other dimensions and worlds my friends, you are heroes. Why do you think you have felt so watched all your lives? It's like a reality TV show, only we don't know we are in it :)

I sure as hell don't FEEL like we are 'winning'. Also, I don't care for 'challenge' anymore, I've had enough in recent years to last me a dozen lifetimes. And if we need to have challenge, let's explore the stars and boldly go....not struggle to pay bills and taxes and make babies, folks. And, come one, Reality television SUCKS. Reality TV is for the lowest common denominator.


Part of the reason some of us erm, for lack of better word "starseeds" and hybrids are here also serve as a gateway for them to understand what it's like to be human. They often experience it through us, and yes there is real compassion for the amount of lying, manipulation, and tampering that has gone on with us.

At the risk of angering folks....if I am one of those starseeds or alien hybrids.....I'd rather learn what the alien side of me far more than the human side. If there's alien in me, I am more willingly to embrace the that alien side. I have a strong hunch I'd be far more comfortable sense of well being.



Yes it will all reveal itself. We will become a formidable race on our own. Those who created us are helping us now because they have a duty or obligation. Council rights have also been gained by the "white hats" on the inside who had the balls to do so. Initiatives have also been created by various means...to continue onward in educating people through various ways, as well as leaking bits of info, spiritual and related to the "conspiracy" to see how people react and roll with it.

But will I myself still be alive by that time? If those who made us are obligated, they should in the very LEAST show themselves to us, and stop being a bunch of dead beat parents who won't even bother seeing their children. Lots of and lots of people will still laugh, ignore and post idiotic pictures with infantile captions when anything interesting comes out. If the 'white hats' are as good as they are supposed to be, they will straight up tell the 'black hats' to go to hell. I mean even Christ, if he in fact existed, even got mean sometimes and trashed the stalls and stands of the merchants who were selling animals and stuff in the churches. We need to see more of the 'white hats' trash the proverbial stalls and stands.

Sirius White
19th April 2014, 07:46
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Chris Gilbert
19th April 2014, 19:44
Let me say a few things.

First, read up on the Verdants: Read George Luobono's first book, and his second when it comes out soon. There was some more info coming out from an insider on it, someone who actually knew about their level of science and MUCH more- but he's dead now. He also once told me almost every and any scientist in the MEIC (military extra terrestrial industrial complex) who had the biotechnical know-how of "verdant" hybridization, ended up mysteriously dead.



My own experience of telepathically sensing the Verdants was akin to walking into a bar/old boy's club wherein the patrons simultaneously turned and laughed at me with a "look at this fool, what do you think you can do?" vibe.

When sensing further out I can detect other beings that are far FAR better, and far more numerous. The Grays/Verdants are a dysfunctional splinter faction within a universe that is mostly loving, but sadly, they are the ones approaching and manipulating humanity at present. Not surprising, given our current dysfunctional history over the past several thousand years. :\

Sirius White
19th April 2014, 21:19
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