The War on Pot - Denver is a Pawn

[Zaya]

Since I do not want to further derail the thread on the negative effects of pot on the brain/memory thread, I am going to go ahead and start this one in order to keep up with what I believe is going to be the war on pot.

As mentioned in the other thread, I have had a very intense feeling about the government using Colorado as an "example" to take the fall to once and for all "prove" that pot is a "killer" and should not be legal.

I have long believed that the PTB do not want the people to have it for many reasons, the main ones being:
-- Its ability to open your mind and your sense of perception. They want us where we are. Not questioning. Not thinking creatively.
--Its natural ability to create spiritual experiences.
-- Its natural ability to heal. Big pharma has a lot at stake here.

I know that Colorado was not the first state to legalize recreational pot (Washington was first), but there was almost NO main stream media coverage of Washington for some reason. Why? If there is anything I know about main stream media it is that it is paid for by the PTB and that we only see what they want us to see on it.

Well, what have we seen since the legalization? Countless stories about how much money the weed is making the state, and how they are using it for good. All kinds of coverage (almost daily) about how great it is going. Why? I believe to set it up for a big fall.

I have been monitoring the news on this, and I believe the fall has started. I will repost the links from the other thread just to keep an archive here. I want to use this thread to discuss how the media is covering Colorado's progress as recreational marijuana is being showcased by them.

First, a man apparently ALLEGEDLY ate an edible candy and then shot his wife:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/18/woman-shot-911-pot/7859749/

Then, in the same day, a 19 year old who had driven to Colorado to "try pot for the first time" with his friends ate too many pot cookies, went crazy, and jumped to his death.
http://nypost.com/2014/04/17/student-who-jumped-four-stories-to-his-death-ate-too-much-pot/

Now, articles are popping up everywhere about the negative psychoactive effects of pot. This one peaked my interest the most:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_RETHINKING_POT_DEATHS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-04-18-17-34-13

(note that the link indicates the article is called "US Re-thinking Pot Deaths?" even though the article itself never indicates that anyone is rethinking the legalization of recreational weed. I found that interesting...)

Some quotes from the article that are planting the seeds:


Studies are mixed about whether there is any link between marijuana and violence. Still, pot legalization opponents said the deaths are a sign of future dangers.


Twenty-six people have reported poisonings from marijuana edibles this year, when the center started tracking such exposures. Six were children who swallowed innocent-looking edibles, most of which were in plain sight.


Children were nauseous and sleepy, and doctors worried about their respiratory systems shutting down.


"Sadly, we're going to start to understand over time all of the damage and all of the problems associated with marijuana," said Thornton police Sgt. Jim Gerhardt, speaking in his capacity as a board member of the Colorado Drug Investigators Association. "It's going to dispel the myth that there's no downside, that there's no side effect, to this drug. It's sad that people are going to have to be convinced with the blood of Coloradans

This says it all here. "The blood of Coloradans"... That one really got me. It seems the policeman believes his state is being used as a sacrifice?

Anyway, please discuss. I will be adding more articles as they arise (which I feel confident that they will.)

[Lifebringer]

We've got an inside mole probably specializing in edibles and doing stuff to it to stop the legalization. They know it can be grown w/out any chemicals and is safe, but if you mix embalming fluid/angel dust, then the person can become overheated and suffer a psychotic episode. That's why most pot smokers want it safe. Anyone can put something in it and ruin the laws for medical and personal usage. Safer not to have so many playing around it with greed as a motive. Allow the people to safely grow their own and decriminalize possession of the plants.

[spiritguide]

Question? With centuries of cannabis use in all manners, why all of a sudden the reports of this behavior when there has been none before the legalization? Sounds like those making money off of it illegally want to keep the status quo at the cost to society. How can logical people outlaw plants? How long will it be before one cannot cultivate without express government permission or license?

QVIpDrBr-e8

It's about freedom and whether we can attain it and keep it.

Peace!

[donk]

I believe it's not even about the "drug" at all, the issue of "legalization" is an industry all to itself now. A nice distraction for the masses for "news consumption" feeding the machine that is the national politics reality show that gives Americans the illusion of freedom.

Welcome to "gay marriage 2014"...don't feed the hype. This crap is all only an issue cuz "they" made it one, it's become as profitable to have it legal as it is to fight the war on pot, so there's money to be made in the "battle" itself for awhile. Collateral damage is truth (in either side of the debate)

Freedom? Ha, what's that? There's a saying lots of American really seem to resonate with: freedom isn't free. Says it all right there

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Big pharmas only recourse here is the smear campaign in the media haha. Guess what, its not working!! 25,000 people died of acetametaphine overdose in America last year, where are the news stories on that? People are dropping dead from popping opiates left and right, where are the news stories on that? These Doctors are state sanctioned drug dealers, they get countless patients hooked on opiates by perscribing powerful forms of synthetic heroine like Oxycontin, percocet , etc. Working in the herbal wellness industry, i see it everyday

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Everybody keep calm,
and remember who won
the Super Bowl

:)

[joeecho]

Big pharmas only recourse here is the smear campaign in the media haha. Guess what, its not working!! 25,000 people died of acetametaphine overdose in America last year, where are the news stories on that? People are dropping dead from popping opiates left and right, where are the news stories on that? These Doctors are state sanctioned drug dealers, they get countless patients hooked on opiates by perscribing powerful forms of synthetic heroine like Oxycontin, percocet , etc. Working in the herbal wellness industry, i see it everyday

This sums it all up here!

You can apply this concept to any number of disciplines.

It all boils down to CONTROL.

Follow the money trail. PTB are try to hide the trail under some kind of 'morals'/ 'greater good'.

My hope is that a greater number of people are awaking to this big CON game!

[dpwishy]

Personally, marijuana was the hardest spiritual battle for me to over come. This is coming from a consumer and grower of twelve years. IMO it's one of the trickiest entities as it gives the false sense of spiritual progression, all while the user stays stagnant. I do see the use in consuming as a shamanic dose a couple times a year but anything more is a harm. It takes more than thirty days after the high for your astral self and chakras to work right. At least with drinking you can see the harm, marijuana is very sly. In a time in the early 1900's when it could have opened consciousness, it was made illegal. In a time where everyone is waking up, it's made legal. This is not a mistake nor the voice of the people. It's a calculated attack in your awakening. I see a majority of highly spiritual souls caught in this trap.

It's a false light that mimics the feelings we get with source connection. It synthetically hits on these desires to reconnect with who we are. If it has a beginning or an end it's a false light.

Also when you start interacting at higher levels and with aspects of the self you will notice how much lies and deceiving goes on when these are still in the system.

A legit medical issue is a whole nother thing. But as recreation and as a spiritual path, be careful

In divine friendship,
Your brother,
Michael

[joeecho]

Everybody keep calm,
and remember who won
the Super Bowl

:)


At first I thought from your post....yeah baby! My hometown team won the Superbowl.....GO HAWKS!

But then, just as quickly, back to reality.....it's just a diversion in a multifaceted diversional project for 'the great unwashed' as they view us to be.

“Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their ****ing skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, America! You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!”
― Bill Hicks

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

If people want freedom they have to take it.
And that includes having a good attitude to avoid insanity.

I thought the SB brought huge good press to the industry in WA.
People can laugh and mock, but gee, the potheads kicked everyone's asses.

And people made fun of Michael Phelps too, I guess he had "false religious experience" and "false light" etc.

Come to think of it, I guess all my trances and experiences before and after joining PA were just some devil toying with me,
and not because marijuana gave me anything "extra".

Can you detect my sarcasm yet? :P

P.s. since God is considered the creator (and us too I guess?), and he created weed, and he intended it to be enjoyed and used,
am I less close to God because of using his gift of weed, to help with stress/anxiety/stomach upset/pain?



I think people who are in good health and are not military vets should not necessarily be in this debate...
It's like the taskmaster saying the slaves have poor posture.

p.s. let me find my hair shirt and flagella and we will have a good day without pot.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Cicatrices_de_flagellation_sur_un_esclave.jpg/362px-Cicatrices_de_flagellation_sur_un_esclave.jpg

Your morality = so much self abuse to me :( lol

[joeecho]

Personally, marijuana was the hardest spiritual battle for me to over come. This is coming from a consumer and grower of twelve years. IMO it's one of the trickiest entities as it gives the false sense of spiritual progression, all while the user stays stagnant. I do see the use in consuming as a shamanic dose a couple times a year but anything more is a harm. It takes more than thirty days after the high for your astral self and chakras to work right. At least with drinking you can see the harm, marijuana is very sly. In a time in the early 1900's when it could have opened consciousness, it was made illegal. In a time where everyone is waking up, it's made legal. This is not a mistake nor the voice of the people. It's a calculated attack in your awakening. I see a majority of highly spiritual souls caught in this trap.

It's a false light that mimics the feelings we get with source connection. It synthetically hits on these desires to reconnect with who we are. If it has a beginning or an end it's a false light.

Also when you start interacting at higher levels and with aspects of the self you will notice how much lies and deceiving goes on when these are still in the system.

A legit medical issue is a whole nother thing. But as recreation and as a spiritual path, be careful

In divine friendship,
Your brother,
Michael

I know you said, "Personally...." and "IMO...." But then it appears that you start to speak with authority from your years of experience and spiritual growth. But I also hope you realize that yours is not the universal experience of those that have partake of his herbal bud. Don't underestimate the power of the ........ (the word to insert here is a tricky one).

[dpwishy]

P.s. since God is considered the creator (and us too I guess?), and he created weed, and he intended it to be enjoyed

That's a pretty big assumption, which would only work if this reality was created by god, but what if it wasn't? What if This is a simulation that mimics in order to trick and deceive? It's all set up for you to search for spiritual attainment in the material devices, which is a contradiction. You will never attain a lasting spiritual connection in the spiritual that is based on a material realm method. The spirit can only be truly accessed by spirit.

In divine friendship,
Your brother,
-michael

[dpwishy]

"Be certain that it is impossible God and the ego, or yourself and it, will EVER meet. You SEEM to meet, and make your strange alliances, on grounds that have no meaning. For your beliefs converge upon the body, the ego's chosen home, which you believe is YOURS. You meet at a mistake; an error in your self-appraisal. The ego joins with an illusion of yourself you SHARE with it. And yet illusions cannot join. They are the same, and they are nothing. Their joining lies in nothingness; two are as meaningless as one, or as a thousand. The ego joins with nothing, BEING nothing. The victory it seeks is meaningless as it self."

I know I'm probably seen as a shill, I just love you all very dearly, ill back away. Blessing and light

In divine friendship,
Your brother,
Michael

[joeecho]

"The spirit can only be truly accessed by spirit."

That sentence suggests an equivalence with ego. That is not my knowing of Spirit. Spirit can never be split so that Spirit can access Spirit. Spirit is Spirit and you can never extend it without making it an illusion.

[Roisin]

Personally, marijuana was the hardest spiritual battle for me to over come. This is coming from a consumer and grower of twelve years. IMO it's one of the trickiest entities as it gives the false sense of spiritual progression, all while the user stays stagnant. I do see the use in consuming as a shamanic dose a couple times a year but anything more is a harm. It takes more than thirty days after the high for your astral self and chakras to work right. At least with drinking you can see the harm, marijuana is very sly. In a time in the early 1900's when it could have opened consciousness, it was made illegal. In a time where everyone is waking up, it's made legal. This is not a mistake nor the voice of the people. It's a calculated attack in your awakening. I see a majority of highly spiritual souls caught in this trap.

It's a false light that mimics the feelings we get with source connection. It synthetically hits on these desires to reconnect with who we are. If it has a beginning or an end it's a false light.

Also when you start interacting at higher levels and with aspects of the self you will notice how much lies and deceiving goes on when these are still in the system.

A legit medical issue is a whole nother thing. But as recreation and as a spiritual path, be careful

In divine friendship,
Your brother,
Michael

I'm with you on this one and your clarity on this is astounding! Pot's a beautiful thing, once in a great while for those special occasions. Some of my most insightful and memorable conversations with people have occurred when passing a joint around.
I'm perfectly fine with it being legalized though .... for most of the same reasons everyone else here is pointing out.... specifically, taking it out of the hands of Mexican Drug Cartels.

[Rocky_Shorz]

‏@Ron_White - 4/20 Easter is going to be 4 pot smokers what New Years is for drinkers...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bliop4pIAAAIAwE.jpg

[DNA]

Personally, marijuana was the hardest spiritual battle for me to over come. This is coming from a consumer and grower of twelve years. IMO it's one of the trickiest entities as it gives the false sense of spiritual progression, all while the user stays stagnant. I do see the use in consuming as a shamanic dose a couple times a year but anything more is a harm. It takes more than thirty days after the high for your astral self and chakras to work right. At least with drinking you can see the harm, marijuana is very sly. In a time in the early 1900's when it could have opened consciousness, it was made illegal. In a time where everyone is waking up, it's made legal. This is not a mistake nor the voice of the people. It's a calculated attack in your awakening. I see a majority of highly spiritual souls caught in this trap.

I haven't smoked in twenty years. but when I did I had HUGELY beneficial effects.
My question is this.
Do you think the new strains of genetically modified pot are doing this more negative stuff you are talking about.

Just curious

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

you guys realize that medical patients can have like 30 OZs in some states per 60 days, something crazy like that?

which means that the amount they are expected to access is so much greater than the casual smoker, literally many OZs more.
casual to me = a joint w/ friends. A joint delivers a very huge hit of marijuana and it gets stronger as the joint burns.

Bongs are very much like O/D too much weed at once for some people although they are wonderful to experience.

Some doctors who Rx weed say that smoking is "safer than eating because of dosage control", i.e. with a small pipe,
a patient like me can put a very small amount into there and have a fraction of the hit that a joint or bong would give.

Now, what I am saying is, although I smoke way more often than "casuals", I use less at one time.
and way way way less than a cancer patient would use.


in fact i have to be so careful with rationing that it's not even very much fun,
but there are days when I need it and there are days that I don't.

Stress Disorder and Autism are physical problems, not just spiritual.
The body remembers pain and fear even when the spirit is ready to move on.

What if I told you that marijuana has kept me from thoughts of suicide?
would you still tell me that's it's "not as good as a main line to God"?

I am so sick of others telling me (I grew up Christian and hated most of it) that because of a plant I have a lesser relationship with God than they do.
How presumptuous.

Yes, I am proud and a loudmouth, but if God woke me up in the night and said "Go do my bidding", I hope that I would listen.
When push comes to shove I hope the non-smokers can put their money where their mouths are.
Pun intended.

p.s. humans were given the ability to know right and wrong without talking to God btw

p.p.s. if i was a real shaman, i.e. confident in my abilities, i would use any drug i had to in order to help people. end of story.

[blufire]

I know that Colorado was not the first state to legalize recreational pot (Washington was first), but there was almost NO main stream media coverage of Washington for some reason. Why? If there is anything I know about main stream media it is that it is paid for by the PTB and that we only see what they want us to see on it.

Colorado furthered their legalization by allowing personal cultivation of up to 6 plants and I believe Colorado’s huge tourist industry (ski resorts) also has a huge factor in media coverage.



My question is this.
Do you think the new strains of genetically modified pot are doing this more negative stuff you are talking about.

I feel this is very accurate deduction. Any time products are ‘mass produced’ it changes the whole nature of the original product. Our food is a good indicator and look at how smoking tobacco has radically changed from the original tobacco plant.

I have grown both tobacco and cannabis and neither look remotely like what is grown today.

I’m always fascinated that even on this forum where we supposedly are ‘awake and aware’ most still work and think from the box that has been built for us. Why do most still feel cannabis has to be legal to use?

If I need any medicinal or culinary herb I either grown it or educate myself where to find and harvest it from the wild. I do not need a government to give me permission to responsibly take care of myself or those around me.

The biggest (if not only) problem and ‘catch I see is if money is involved then the government steps in to regulate. If you don’t sell it or become greedy or flaunt what you are doing there is no harm no foul.

Break out of the ‘box’ people . . be logical . . . be smart.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I know that Colorado was not the first state to legalize recreational pot (Washington was first), but there was almost NO main stream media coverage of Washington for some reason. Why? If there is anything I know about main stream media it is that it is paid for by the PTB and that we only see what they want us to see on it.

Colorado furthered their legalization by allowing personal cultivation of up to 6 plants and I believe Colorado’s huge tourist industry (ski resorts) also has a huge factor in media coverage.



My question is this.
Do you think the new strains of genetically modified pot are doing this more negative stuff you are talking about.

I feel this is very accurate deduction. Any time products are ‘mass produced’ it changes the whole nature of the original product. Our food is a good indicator and look at how smoking tobacco has radically changed from the original tobacco plant.

I have grown both tobacco and cannabis and neither look remotely like what is grown today.

I’m always fascinated that even on this forum where we supposedly are ‘awake and aware’ most still work and think from the box that has been built for us. Why do most still feel cannabis has to be legal to use?

If I need any medicinal or culinary herb I either grown it or educate myself where to find and harvest it from the wild. I do not need a government to give me permission to responsibly take care of myself or those around me.

The biggest (if not only) problem and ‘catch I see is if money is involved then the government steps in to regulate. If you don’t sell it or become greedy or flaunt what you are doing there is no harm no foul.

Break out of the ‘box’ people . . be logical . . . be smart.

the casinos in Washington have this trouble too, the federal Indian Reservations don't typically allow pot (!!!!!!!!!wtf!!!!!!!!!) --

but it was still legalized etc. in spite of the big clout of the naysayers.

and people still go to casinos and to coops ;)

IMO Yakima Nation needs to become the world's biggest weed farmers.
w/ the windmills and hot temps solar energy and wind powered gros would be so awesome.

Imagine the possibilities -- how much $$$ they could raise for USA,
if we were able to export it etc. and have a good deal like the people with oil money do (like Kuwait), that would be amazing.


too bad the hippies weren't able to get something like that rolling --
all 420 friendly people get a check from the Gov for their share of exported weed.

@@

so the non smokers could just sell their portion to China.

etc.


p.s. i would LOVE to own the first Vertical Pot Farm in a highrise building.

http://oi60.tinypic.com/66ar0k.jpg


p.s. as a person with varying degrees of Internet Addiction I should be honest and say, mixing MJ with internet addiction is not a great plan. until we learn more about what's been going on w/ psyops etc

[Rocky_Shorz]

they legalized it, but gave police pull over and test ability, and if you smoked more than one cigarette in a week, you are over limit and in huge trouble...

it's legal to buy in Colorado, but illegal to smoke...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

they legalized it, but gave police pull over and test ability, and if you smoked more than one cigarette in a week, you are over limit and in huge trouble...

it's legal to buy in Colorado, but illegal to smoke...

:(

it's a lil cold there but, is there a metro bus?
good way to get around that BS.
or bicycle.

[Elainie]

Smoking takes place here (I live in Boulder) at restaurants lol. One in particular is known for having parties in the back room with tons of pot etc; there are several dispensaries on every street corner. We have millionaire hippies (the growers). It's insane. I'm not a smoker or user (never cared for it) but I have friends that partake. I did try Phoenix Tears a few years back when it became available in dispensaries but it made me leave my body majority of the day ( astral project) which was nice but I wasn't able to function.
On the other hand many jobs here require random drug testing just as they do in other states.

[noxon medem]

‏@Ron_White - 4/20 Easter is going to be 4 pot smokers what New Years is for drinkers...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bliop4pIAAAIAwE.jpg

You have, and display, love and insight, like no other on this forum.
Thank you, Rocky Shorz. ( for what (only) You know ..).
- and How to share it, with humour .....
& Love to you too, Rocky

Here in Norway there is an old saying :
"and, Christmas last until Easter ."
( og Julen varer helt til Påske )

- so
ho ho ho

:- )

[noxon medem]

[QUOTE]I know that Colorado was not the first state to legalize recreational pot (Washington was first)...
- snip
Break out of the ‘box’ people . . be logical . . . be smart.

Be O so logical, Or be ganic, if that is your will .
Be smarter then them, or it, whatever is chasing
and again trying to, at enslaving you ....

- Is it spirit that will allways set us free ?



:- )

[Rocky_Shorz]

‏@Ron_White - 4/20 Easter is going to be 4 pot smokers what New Years is for drinkers...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bliop4pIAAAIAwE.jpg

You have, and display, love and insight, like no other on this forum.
Thank you, Rocky Shorz. ( for what (only) You know ..).
- and How to share it, with humour .....
& Love to you too, Rocky

Here in Norway there is an old saying :
"and, Christmas last until Easter ."
( og Julen varer helt til Påske )

- so
ho ho ho

:- )

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BliRxamIMAAeQhH.jpg:large

when eating breakfast you know you've smoked too much when the eggs start staring at you...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BliRxjTIUAAkSMU.jpg:large

[noxon medem]

Eggs are integrate part of the Easter breakfast.
Of course, "in the old days" we knew the hens
who "warped" the eggs ...

No image to accompany this post,
eccept maybe in your head, or mind,
- and hopefully more like your own....

Anyway, and how .
Be well, all.

nm

Back to topic ?
Whatever that was ..

- ahh, yeah, starting
( to remember .).

[DeDukshyn]

A bit of a shame this thread went the direction it did ... let's try to start again with the thread topic??

The topic of this thread is more about the crazy tactics utilized for no other purpose than to control via belief and propaganda, but even more-so, the liberal use of how "problem - reaction - solution" tactic of theirs plays on our judgements and opinions without any facts or understanding.

Use media to program judgements and opinions without fact, and our emotions against us that defend the above, to facilitate easier use of problem-reaction-solution, to help them get whatever they want. It doesn't matter in this context as to whether you support marijuana or not - don't be distracted by the judgment level of things.

My 2 cents.

[sigma6]

Big pharmas only recourse here is the smear campaign in the media haha. Guess what, its not working!! 25,000 people died of acetametaphine overdose in America last year, where are the news stories on that? People are dropping dead from popping opiates left and right, where are the news stories on that? These Doctors are state sanctioned drug dealers, they get countless patients hooked on opiates by perscribing powerful forms of synthetic heroine like Oxycontin, percocet , etc. Working in the herbal wellness industry, i see it everyday

awesome.... love all the posts, good to see everyone is catching on... MSM is for last remnants of the retarded mind controlled TV addicts, we all know the type... problem is, these people are too dumb to even care... this whole thing is blowing up in MSM's face, let big pharma keep filling their pockets... future is coming fast...

[Wind]

My stance for weed (or other shamanic & medicinal tools) is neutral, I'm not a user, but I am against the war on consciousness.

Listen to the great Graham Hancock...

R6UyBOd8JoI

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Imo the problem is real estate and damages to be claimed and economics, if I understand correctly, a third of the US prison population is in there because of possession, meaning 1 3rth of prisons would close down, together with all the jobs that would be lost and all the people that depend on the prison system, food, guards, social workers, bail dudes, parole officers, judges, lawyers, big pharma, construction, security system development, police, if you look at it from an economics perspective its way more lucrative to keep it illegal, I think the economics would have to balance out before a real step can be made towards legalization, is the revenue generated by legalization equal or does surpass the revenue by keeping it illegal. That's the question I think.

Dealers obviously would be on the side of the law if it stays illegal, if you can grow your own dealers would be out of business in no time, not too hard to imagine who the real big boys are is it, we all know their faces and they wear suits and they are on tv and usually neck deep in politics, its not in their interest to help you with a cheap smoke by growing your own, since they make money on the sell side and on the punishment side, its a closed loop and they want to stay in control of it, its a frikkin goldmine, very unwanted but pretty clever actually, non taxable income is way preferable above taxable income, which is exactly what legalization would mean, taxable income, yechhh:rolleyes:

Imagine all the people in jail for simple possession claim damages for the trauma of being imprisoned, it will be in the many many billions, there goes the chance of a balanced budget.

[Wind]

I find this to be discusting and inhumane.

a0atL1HSwi8

[outerheaven]

As to the thread's question, it's an interesting idea, but I remain slightly skeptical. Seems to me the best way to "false flag" legalized weed would be to scare the #$% out of the populace with "gang warfare." A few random overdoses and shootings here and there isn't going to significantly sway public opinion enough to roll back the law, IMO -- they didn't need to legalize weed to demonize it.

I like dpwishy's statements in the thread, actually. I'm a regular user of marijuana but I've noticed that when I abstain from using it, my meditation is much more productive and my mind feels less polluted. Sorry to say it -- I don't necessarily like it, either, but that's what I've found to be true in my experience.

[DeDukshyn]

As to the thread's question, it's an interesting idea, but I remain slightly skeptical. Seems to me the best way to "false flag" legalized weed would be to scare the #$% out of the populace with "gang warfare." A few random overdoses and shootings here and there isn't going to significantly sway public opinion enough to roll back the law, IMO -- they didn't need to legalize weed to demonize it.

I like dpwishy's statements in the thread, actually. I'm a regular user of marijuana but I've noticed that when I abstain from using it, my meditation is much more productive and my mind feels less polluted. Sorry to say it -- I don't necessarily like it, either, but that's what I've found to be true in my experience.

There is a fine balance between meeting agendas and keeping the confidence of the people that you can keep them relatively safe, else you just get voted out and / or fired for doing a lousy job.

That said, I say expect some escalations in the areas you mentioned as well.

[Zaya]

A bit of a shame this thread went the direction it did ... let's try to start again with the thread topic??

The topic of this thread is more about the crazy tactics utilized for no other purpose than to control via belief and propaganda, but even more-so, the liberal use of how "problem - reaction - solution" tactic of theirs plays on our judgements and opinions without any facts or understanding.

Use media to program judgements and opinions without fact, and our emotions against us that defend the above, to facilitate easier use of problem-reaction-solution, to help them get whatever they want. It doesn't matter in this context as to whether you support marijuana or not - don't be distracted by the judgment level of things.

My 2 cents.

I agree. Thank you for saying this. I ask that we please keep this thread on topic of how the media could potentially be using Colorado as a pawn. Let's just use the thread to continue that discussion.

In light of that, I link you to two articles written today. Both end with the claims of pot potentially killing/poisoning people and being a danger.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-marijuana-celebrated-in-denver-20140420,0,6032672.story#axzz2zUGe12za

WHOOPS: EDIT because I accidentally posted the same link twice. Quick copy and paste error.

http://news.yahoo.com/public-smoke-marks-pot-holiday-colorado-230854120.html

[outerheaven]

It is also important to keep in mind that there is a very real, very vocal part of the population that does not like the legalization of marijuana. These people didn't just disappear after Colorado and Washington legalized it. They will be screaming after every negative incident involving pot to try to influence public opinion away from further legalization.

[Zaya]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/21/younger-veterans-push-for-marijuana-test-as-treatm/

Interesting article about veterans who are wanting to get it tested for PTSD treatment, but the Veteran's affairs refuse to do testing until it is no longer illegal under federal law.


“As marijuana use is still a federal offense, VA will not provide for use or conduct research with illegal substances regardless of state laws,” said Gina Jackson, a spokeswoman for the VA.


IAVA also is trying to ensure that veterans prescribed medical marijuana in states where it’s legal are protected from federal prosecution.
“We want the most effective treatments being given to patients as it would help them. Right now, we need to know research behind whether it’s an effective treatment to injuries of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans and give them the ability to fill prescriptions shielded from federal law,” Ms. Augustine said.
Although any veteran can get access to marijuana in Colorado where recreational pot is legal, Mr. Azzariti said, some hesitate to use the drug because it could expose them to federal punishment, including loss of VA benefits.


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[JoePiscapo]

i dont think legalization is fair because the government will tax it exponentially. and they will probably put artificial ingredients in the joints like they do with cigarettes.
i also dont think its fair because its like them giving me permission to do what i already do at my own leisure.. i dont need big gov regulating my sweet mary jane.
you should assume from my attitude that I'm a habitual smoker of the good old mary-jew-wana. im perfectly comfortable picking it up from my buddy that i trust rather then some dude at a shop whos getting a bi weekly paycheck..

[Zaya]

Two new articles anti-pot.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/marijuana-may-cause-heart-problems-young-adults-195750879.html#W43nTPk


Young adults who smoke marijuana may be at risk for serious or even fatal heart problems, according to a study by French researchers on Wednesday.
The findings in the Journal of the American Heart Association raises new concerns about the safety of marijuana, just as many parts of the world are relaxing laws on its use and medicinal marijuana is gaining popularity for treating certain health conditions.

The risk of heart complications appeared small in the study, which included nearly 2,000 people who sought medical attention for complications related to marijuana from 2006 to 2010.

Of those, two percent, or 35 people, had heart attacks or circulation problems related to arteries in the brain and limbs.
Of greater concern was the high death rate. One in four of the patients with cardiovascular complications died, said the researchers.
The analysis also found that the percentage of reported cardiovascular complications more than tripled from 2006 to 2010.

"The general public thinks marijuana is harmless, but information revealing the potential health dangers of marijuana use needs to be disseminated to the public, policymakers and healthcare providers," said lead author Emilie Jouanjus, a medical faculty member at the Centre Hospitalier Universitaire de Toulouse in Toulouse, France.

"There is now compelling evidence on the growing risk of marijuana-associated adverse cardiovascular effects, especially in young people," Jouanjus said.
Doctors should be aware of the heart risks and consider marijuana use as a potential contributor to cardiovascular disease in some patients, said Jouanjus.
People with pre-existing conditions appeared most vulnerable, the study added.
Valentin Fuster, director of Mount Sinai Heart and Physician-in-Chief of The Mount Sinai Hospital, said the study appeared to support some observations he has made at his own clinic in New York City.

"I am concerned about cannabis because we are running a clinic of young people who come to us with coronary artery disease. I have seen a number of cases in whom I was not able to identify any other risk other than the use of cannabis," said Fuster, who was not involved in the research.
"So I think this registry in France supports the issue that cannabis is not free of danger," he added.

"I am not sure if it is more risky than tobacco cigarette smoking or less, but one thing is clear, it's affecting young people."
Allen Taylor, professor of medicine at Georgetown University School of Medicine, said the overall risk of heart problems from marijuana remains unclear.
"This study shows a some preliminary evidence of cardiovascular harm from marijuana but isn't conclusive. The study's limitations are important in that we can't know how high the risk is, just that there is a signal of risk between marijuana smoking and heart troubles," he said.
Taylor added that more research needs to be done to assess the risks posed by marijuana.

"It is a shame that we simply don't know more about a substance that potentially carries the risk of serious bodily harm. It seems that public perception is ahead of the science. We should remain open to the scientific facts as they evolve."

A lot of really silly assumptions in this article, but at least they address it somewhat in the end by admitting their research is not conclusive at all. Still, it plants the seed that it IS true by publishing it this way and entering this information into the collective consciousness.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/study-marijuana-use-may-increase-risk-nicotine-addiction_787325.html


A study by the National Institute on Drug Abuse found that "[m]arijuana use makes tobacco use more pleasurable and may increase the user’s risk for becoming addicted to nicotine." Experiments involving rats found that those animals exposed to THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, self-administered nicotine at higher rates than rats with no such exposure. This connection raises concern that pot may be a "gateway" drug to nicotine.

During the experiments, the subjects that had been exposed to THC were significantly more inclined to self-administer nicotine after ten sessions than those subjects who were not exposed to THC.

Earlier studies have documented the connection between marijuana and cigarette use, but the results of this experiment seem to indicate the connection goes beyond personal, social, and environmental reasons to suggest a pharmacological link:

Most marijuana users smoke cigarettes, and about 1 in 5 individuals who use both substances (1 in 3 among African Americans) used marijuana first. In one recent study, adolescents who used marijuana weekly were more likely than less frequent marijuana users or nonusers to initiate tobacco use. These patterns occur in part because some of the same personal traits and social and environmental exposures that lead people to use marijuana also influence them to try other drugs. The new findings suggest that marijuana use itself, independently of these influences, predisposes users to become regular smokers, increasing their odds of becoming addicted to nicotine.


The recent drive for legalization of marijuana, successful in Colorado and Washington, and the apparent softening of the Obama administration's attitude of law enforcement regarding the drug has refocused attention on the potential long- and short-term effects of increased usage. With society's increased intolerance for cigarette and nicotine use even as toleration of marijuana use increases, the results of these experiments may add a new dimension to the debate.

This article is very interesting to me because it seems to be indicating that a negative aspect to smoking pot is that it could lead to smoking cigarettes. However, cigarettes are legal. We give citizens the choice to smoke them despite health risks and NO health benefits. I actually smoked cigarettes before I ever tried pot as a teenager, and if anything, having smoked cigarettes made the choice to try pot easier. All I'm getting at here is that it isn't really fair to criticize pot for the potential to make you want to smoke other things that you legally have a choice to smoke. It doesn't make sense to me.

[Zaya]

I realize that this article is NOT in any way related to pot, but I didn't want to start a new thread for it mainly because it feeds back into my suspicion that Colorado is being set up for controversy in some way. I feel that the cabal is using Colorado in their big scheme somehow. This article did not sit well with me and pinged my radar, so to speak. It seems totally out of left field as well.

http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/04/28/hs-students-say-pledge-in-arabic-one-nation-under-allah/


HS Students Say Pledge In Arabic: ‘One Nation Under Allah’
Posted on 28 April, 2014 by Rick Wells
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The principal at Rocky Mountain High School in Fort Collins, Colorado, is facing a hailstorm of criticism from some very angry parents and residents.

The school recites the Pledge of Allegiance weekly, on Mondays. Last Monday, a member of their “Cultural Arms Club” led the student body in an Arabic version of the pledge, replacing the words “under God” with “under Allah.”

Principal Tom Lopez denies any attempt to push an Islamic agenda, saying, “These students love this country. They were not being un-American in trying to do this. They believed they were accentuating the meaning of the words as spoken regularly in English.”

Principal Lopez doesn’t make any sense. Speaking unintelligible words in Arabic in some way accentuates their meaning? That is an extremely weak argument in defense of an ill-advised decision.

He said the cultural clubs seeks to “destroy the barriers, embrace the cultures” that exist within the high school.

That would translate into “destroy the barriers to Islam and embrace it,” correct, Mr. Lopez?

The Poudre School District communications director, Danielle Clark, said they understand why parents are upset. She told Fox News, “We understand not everybody would agree with the students’ choice. We’ve heard there are some who are upset.”

Let’s put his into perspective for the feeble-minded Clark and Lopez. It is not the student’s choice. They do not control the public address system. It was a school choice.

Her simplistic defense included a reference to “one” supportive email and a reference to a similar mistake last year which drew controversy when the pledge was recited in Spanish. Somehow not learning from and expanding upon your previous mistakes is perceived as a viable defense for these educators.

An abdication of responsibility is also part of their defense. Clark attempted to pass the buck of responsibility to the students, saying, “This is a student-initiated and student-led club. There is no school sponsor or advisor. It doesn’t come under the umbrella of the district.”

Actually, the activity of reciting the pledge does come under the district. Choosing to put it into the hands of a group not regulated by their administrators does not provide absolution.

“We deferred to the students because it’s their deal,” she said.

One cultural club member, professing to not understand the controversy is Skyler Bowden. Bowden simplistically told The Coloradoan, “No matter what language it’s said in, pledging your allegiance to the United States is the same in every language.”

Given their youth, the high school students might understandably not recognize the problems with proclaiming America as “one nation under Allah.” The grownups should and they ought to be controlling the activity.

The Muslim Brotherhood front group CAIR chimed in saying, “Obviously in Arabic, you would use the word Allah, but Christian Arabs would use the word Allah.” Their spokesperson, Ibrahim Hooper, claimed use of the word Allah is “not necessarily specific to Islam and Muslims.” From an American point of view, it is, whether he is technically correct or not, to Americans, in America, it’s a specific Muslim and Islamic reference.

As if to reinforce the idiocy of reciting the pledge in another language, Clark said she did not hear the pledge and does not speak Arabic so she could not confirm exactly what words were used.

Lopez said he has been getting a variety of accusations leveled at him, including being called a traitor. He said, “They claim they are outraged, that this is blaspheming a real major tenet of our patriotism – which in their mind the Pledge of Allegiance is only in English.”

He said he’s also been accused of “pushing a Muslim Brotherhood agenda – to push Islam into the school.” He denies that was behind the decision.

CAIR representative Hooper told Fox News he was dumbfounded by complaints about the Arabic version of the pledge.

“How on earth is it un-American to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in another language,” Hooper asked. “It doesn’t make sense unless the people complaining are anti-Muslim or anti-middle eastern bigots.”

It just might be that Americans recognize the Islamic agenda, Mr. Hooper, and are tired of having it forced upon them. Maybe we know what you are up to and people are pushing back.

Principal Lopez said all of the criticism and complaints had him “worn down.”

Playing the tolerance card, Lopez labeled himself as the victim, stating, “I’ve been shocked with prejudicial statements that have been made. I’ve been shocked with the lack of seeking understanding. There’s definitely suspicion and fear expressed in these people’s minds. There’s some hate.”

One resident, Chris Wells put it in terms even educator Lopez could understand. Writing in The Daily Coloradoan, he said, “As a veteran and a friend of a man killed defending these children in their little games they like to play with our pledge, I’m offended. There are things that we don’t mess with – among them are the pledge and our anthem.”

Rick Wells is a conservative author who believes an adherence the U.S. Constitution would solve many of today’s problems. “Like” him on Facebook and “Follow” him on Twitter.

[Zaya]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HASH_OIL_EXPLOSIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-05-06-06-44-51


HASH OIL EXPLOSIONS RISE WITH LEGALIZED MARIJUANA

DENVER (AP) -- The opening months of Colorado's first-in-the-nation recreational marijuana industry have seen a rise in fiery explosions and injuries as pot users try to make the drug's intoxicating oil in crude home-based laboratories.

Since Jan. 1, when sales began, the state's only certified adult burn center has treated 10 people with serious injuries they suffered while making hash oil, compared with 11 in 2013 and one in 2012.

Law enforcement and fire officials, meanwhile, are grappling with how to respond, as the questionable legality of the process has made it difficult to punish amateur chemists. Some prosecutors are charging them with felonies, while others say hash oil production is protected under a provision of the new legal pot law.

"These today are the meth labs of the `90s. We have to change our thinking and what we're looking for," said police Sgt. Pat Long in Thornton, a Denver suburb where officers were puzzled by the city's first hash oil explosion in January.

Hash oil is typically made by packing the castoff leaves and stems of pot plants into a pipe and pouring highly flammable butane through it. The concoction is heated to make the potent oil for far cheaper than it can be purchased in stores.

The golden mixture can be up to 80 percent THC, marijuana's intoxicating chemical, and devotees say one or two drops can produce a more euphoric high than an entire joint. It can also be infused into baked goods or vaporized.

Without proper ventilation, butane fumes can linger. All it takes is a spark of static electricity to ignite a room.

Firefighters in the state have raced to at least 31 butane hash oil explosions this year, compared with 11 last year, according to the Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area, an agency that has only recently started tallying cases.

The data represents only reported and confirmed cases, and the actual number of explosions could be higher, said Kevin Wong, an intelligence analyst for the agency. "This is just the tip of the iceberg," Wong said.

The organization has started training police and firefighters on how to spot the signs of a hash oil explosion. After the Thornton blast, officers found a charred home littered with bottles of butane. They were perplexed, which highlighted the need for more training, Long said.

In recent years, there have been dozens of explosions and injuries in other states where residents can get access to the plant through medical marijuana systems, including California, Washington state and Oregon.

In Washington state, where home pot growing isn't allowed, officials were so concerned about the dangers of producing marijuana extracts for sale in state-licensed shops that they require licensed producers to have an expensive ventilation system.

Colorado marijuana businesses are allowed to manufacture hash oil using butane, but with strict rules. Colorado's pot laws allow adults 21 and over to grow up to six plants at home and cooks often use their own plants to affordably make hash oil in their kitchens or garages.

As a result, explosions have happened primarily on private property.

There were at least five blasts in one week alone last month. In one case, two children had to be rescued from their burning suburban Denver townhome after their father and his girlfriend caused a blast while making the extract.

In that case, authorities charged the homeowner with arson and child abuse, a common punishment for home cooks whose recipes ended in disaster. Denver, where at least eight explosions have occurred, banned home hash oil production under a portion of the building code that prohibits "creating an unsafe environment."

Arapahoe County District Attorney George Brauchler said his office has pursued felony charges against people simply for cooking hash oil at home five to 10 times so far this year.

But Brian Vicente, who helped write the pot law, said its statute allowing the processing of marijuana plants includes home hash oil production. The law is vague but as the issue has evolved, legislators should step in to find a balance, he said.

Vicente said the fires will decline as people realize the dangers and head to pot shops instead.

Each month, patents arrive at the University of Colorado Hospital's burn center with deep, painful burns, almost all of which require surgery, associate nurse manager Camy Boyle said.

But Wayne Winkler said though it remains cheaper to make the oil at home, he knows the damage such explosions can cause.

In 2012, he agreed to make hash oil as a favor for a friend, but after he made a batch, he saw the butane vapors ignite by an electric stove. The explosion left him with severe burn scars on his hands, arms, neck and face.

"It was the worst pain of my life," said Winkler, who nearly lost his home and family. "It wasn't worth the risk."

This to me seems to be be right on track with what I've been saying... Propaganda , propaganda, propaganda! What I love the most is that not one of these numbers or sources is cited. It all seems very misleading. The meth lab of the 90s? Really?!

[Zaya]

Can I request that a mod change the title of my thread to simply say "The war on pot" ? I am using this to continually chronicle the media war on pot and it is not always Denver.

Feds Seek Prison For Rural Washington Pot Growers
http://news.yahoo.com/feds-seek-prison-rural-washington-pot-growers-163636772.html


SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) — The green-cross storefronts of medical marijuana dispensaries are common in much of Washington, and the state is plowing ahead with licensing people to grow and sell recreational pot to adults.

But a federal trial scheduled to begin in the coming weeks for five people in Spokane suggests not all is OK with weed in the state.

Larry Harvey, a 70-year-old medical marijuana patient with no criminal history, three of his relatives and a family friend each face mandatory minimum sentences of at least 10 years in prison after they were caught growing about 70 pot plants on their rural, mountainous property.

The Harveys did have guns at their home, which is part of the reason for the lengthy possible prison time. They say the weapons were for hunting and protection, but prosecutors say two of the guns were loaded and in the same room as a blue plastic tub of pot.

Medical marijuana advocates have cried foul, arguing the prosecution violates Department of Justice policies announced by Attorney General Eric Holder last year that nonviolent, small-time drug offenders shouldn't face lengthy prison sentences.

"This case is another glaring example of what's wrong with the federal policy on cannabis," said Kari Boiter, Washington state coordinator for the medical marijuana group Americans for Safe Access.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Joe Harrington, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Spokane, said he could not discuss the upcoming trial or the office's general approach to pot crimes.
But the case illustrates discrepancies in how law enforcement officials are handling marijuana cases as Washington — with the Justice Department's blessing — moves ahead with its grand experiment in pot legalization. Medical marijuana gardens the size of the Harveys' rarely draw attention from authorities in the Seattle area.

Under Initiative 502 about 30 people have so far been licensed to grow marijuana for sale at recreational pot shops slated to begin opening in July. Commercial medical marijuana dispensaries also operate in many cities, especially in Western Washington, generally considered the liberal half of the state.

Under federal law, marijuana remains illegal, and what the licensed growers are doing differs little from what Harvey and his family did.

In Colorado, the other state to legalize recreational marijuana, many pot shops even have armed security guards. Under federal law, that looks a lot like possessing a firearm in furtherance of a drug trafficking crime. There have been no recent federal charges involving commercial dispensaries in Western Washington or in Colorado absent indications of further criminality.

"Where commercial outlets are largely permitted in Western Washington, the (U.S. Attorney's Office) in Eastern Washington is subjecting individual patients to mandatory minimum prison sentences for private cultivation," defense attorneys in the Harvey case wrote to Attorney General Eric Holder, asking him to review the prosecution.

The DOJ has said since 2009 that prosecuting marijuana patients isn't a priority. It's allowing states to regulate marijuana for recreational or medical use, but it has reserved the right to target operations that don't follow state law or have ties to organized crime.

Defense lawyers say Spokane U.S. Attorney Mike Ormsby has charged cases that likely would not have been prosecuted in state court, where the defendants could have argued that they were complying with Washington's medical marijuana law, approved by voters in 1998. One defendant pleaded guilty to federal charges last week for having a 32-plant medical marijuana grow, to avoid a weapons charge for having guns at his house.

Douglas Hiatt, a Seattle lawyer, said the federal prosecutions are undermining the state's medical marijuana law.

Harvey, along with his wife, Rhonda Firestack-Harvey; her son, Rolland Gregg, and his wife, Michelle Gregg; and their friend, Jason Zucker, all had medical authorizations to use marijuana under state law. The Greggs and Zucker live in the Seattle area, and lawyers in the case say Zucker is the only one with previous criminal history, a conviction for marijuana growing. Harvey said he eats pot-laced cookies to ease pain from gout.

Douglas Phelps, a lawyer for Rolland Gregg, said many defendants feel they have no choice but to plead guilty to avoid long sentences, but the family feels strongly they did nothing wrong.

"Most people wouldn't take the chance of being convicted at trial," he said.

[Zaya]

I have NO idea whether anyone is following this thread, but I am still tracking this. I still feel like something could come of it. So, another article specifically about denver and pot.


Maureen Dowd on Pot Candy Bar: 'I became convinced that I had died'


In Maureen Dowd's latest column for the New York Times, she describes her scary experience eating a pot candy bar while reporting on legalized marijuana in Colorado.

She sat in a Denver hotel room experimenting with the legalized edible, "nibbling" on some of the chocolate-flavored bar.

"For an hour, I felt nothing [...] But then I felt a scary shudder go through my body and brain. I barely made it from the desk to the bed, where I lay curled up in a hallucinatory state for the next eight hours," Dowd said.

She goes on to explain how her paranoia deepened, saying the high wore off "distressingly slowly."

"I had been convinced that I had died and no one was telling me," Dowd said.

A medical consultant told Dowd later that these types of candy bars should be consumed by inexperienced users by cutting them into 16 pieces. That recommendation, she said, was not on the packaging label.

Months after Colorado legalization took effect on Jan.1, Dowd cautions in her column that the state is "coming to grips with the darker side" of marijuana, especially when it comes to dealing with tourists and children.

Media organizations, including USA TODAY and the Times, have reported on kids getting sick from ingesting pot-infused edibles. The Rocky Mountain Poison Center reported a statistically significant increase in the number of parents calling the poison-control hotline to report their kids had consumed pot.

However state inspectors are conducting stings at pot stores to ensure they're not selling to minors, Julie Postlethwait, a spokeswoman for the state's marijuana enforcement division told USA TODAY. And regulations require pot edibles to be sold in child-resistant packaging.


Link to article here: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/06/04/maureen-dowd-pot-brownie-twitter/9949991/

[Carmody]

The war on pot, a good part of it, is letting you have it. To withhold and then let you have it. Like taking away a thing you own and then you thinking you 'won' something, when it is returned --- which is not the case here.

The other thing, is that pot does indeed strongly curtail REM sleep, which is a very bad thing.

Smoke it if you want, but it's probably best left alone much of the time, like staying away from alcohol.