MH 370 Flight 370 - Former Political Secretary - Israel bought same plane 1 year previous

[sigma6]

MH 370 Flight 370 - Former Political Secretary - Israel bought same plane 1 year previous

Sure, Israeli manipulation of US has been on going for decades going back to Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty in 1967, but where is the connection to to MH 370?

Subject: MH 370 flight
Israel bought exact same plane model, 1 year previous from... Malaysia ?
A Muslim's point of view.


Matthias Chang Wen Chieh is a former political secretary to former Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad
Very interesting speculation, based on his privileged inside information and knowledge of geo-politics. Points a finger clearly at US/Israel... (surprise, surprise)


"Something is not right... Why is America so quiet?... When the plane almost flew over their base?... "

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The thing is with all the mounting evidence that this is a major huge conspiracy...

Satellites monitoring it, Radar monitoring it, Boeing auto pilot built into, and now he mentions that Rolls Royce also has a system of monitoring all plane's engines.

Plus the 20 engineers and the patent transfer (although the families would have an excellent case in a court of equity if they hired trust lawyers...)

Anyhow... Point is it seems the implication of all this, is that if this is the case, that means now that the US/Israel, in a desperate attempt to maintain their control in an ever changing economic geo political landscape will simply resort to terrorism, which may be the original reason they started this whole campaign of terrorism to begin with. ie. I believe they projected and anticipated this economic/geo-political realities BEFORE 9/11. This would explain why they invested so much in military all these years, it was all in anticipation.

That means every flight now is a target, for a political campaign depending on the political environment, who's on board, and who might be the highest bidder. Every flight is potentially a economic calculation of profit/loss and risk... in a world of underground black operations, where their biggest customer will be themselves, or Israel, Vatican, Banking Cabal, etc...

American Government is turning into MURDER INC.
Until they can bite, kick and scratch their way back into political power, or at least keep creditors at bay?

[Lifebringer]

Russia, Malaysia, China, Taiwan, Indonesia all voted to allow Iran into NATO even though Israel refuses to join as a NATO member nation.
No wonder they set the EU, Russia, Asian attacks in effect. They hide behind attacks and point fingers. Sell nukes to rogue dissident sects of anti government because they can buy the land cheaper, in a war torn zone? Businesses and banking all coming to their banks under various "cultural" banking nations?

Wow, perhaps the 2nd candlestick is Israel's nation. They don't mind bombing their own people to turn the world on Iran? Targets probably in the "black Hebrew poor areas."
They certainly wouldn't bomb their own religious sites or government offices, unless the party lines is changing their support for Nuttyferya. Then he wouldn't care how many got in the way, he'd eliminate them.

[Flash]

I do not know why, I posted a request here telling you that i would like, if you do not mind, to transfer the information here, the video amongst other things, to the original thread on that plane, thread very well developped and mostly with technical informations.

Even if the information here is not technical, intentions may tell us as well where the plane is and maybe the condense information in one thread will allow someone to undo the official retoric and truly find the plane and its passengers. live or dead.

So please allow me to transfer the information. However, as this video is talking more about geopolitical motives, I do encourage discussion on your thread, apart from the main thread as well, it would be interesting to see the input of members.

[sigma6]

Russia, Malaysia, China, Taiwan, Indonesia all voted to allow Iran into NATO even though Israel refuses to join as a NATO member nation.
No wonder they set the EU, Russia, Asian attacks in effect. They hide behind attacks and point fingers. Sell nukes to rogue dissident sects of anti government because they can buy the land cheaper, in a war torn zone? Businesses and banking all coming to their banks under various "cultural" banking nations?

Wow, perhaps the 2nd candlestick is Israel's nation. They don't mind bombing their own people to turn the world on Iran? Targets probably in the "black Hebrew poor areas."
They certainly wouldn't bomb their own religious sites or government offices, unless the party lines is changing their support for Nuttyferya. Then he wouldn't care how many got in the way, he'd eliminate them.


This really is becoming more and more salient that this is the new business model for the US, as they become more and more desperate for money. I have said since the beginning their huge military buildup makes no sense. They are betting the farm on military infrastructure, and if they don't get a World WAR. They are sunk (financially, in terms of investment and return on investment, and you can't say given the amounts spent this isn't a factor...) Question is knowing this, the larger population as a whole has a clear moral imperative to stand up and stop this...

Having a war is a financial racket perfected by the banking cartels going back centuries. But hi-jacking the resources of an entire nation to pre-plan WW3 goes beyond the pale, or an endless war of terror and arms races... This is getting so in our faces, like the whole world knows, except the Americans themselves? This is the "two people in a room and one farted scenario" and it's getting embarrassing to have to keep pretending we don't know who stinks...

[sigma6]

I do not know why, I posted a request here telling you that i would like, if you do not mind, to transfer the information here, the video amongst other things, to the original thread on that plane, thread very well developped and mostly with technical informations.

Even if the information here is not technical, intentions may tell us as well where the plane is and maybe the condense information in one thread will allow someone to undo the official retoric and truly find the plane and its passengers. live or dead.

So please allow me to transfer the information. However, as this video is talking more about geopolitical motives, I do encourage discussion on your thread, apart from the main thread as well, it would be interesting to see the input of members.

I would suggest copying the text and then adding a link back to this site and I will add a link to your site, which will allow readers to seamlessly traverse both threads... if you update your post, and add your link I will copy it a second time into this post...

update: no bother I got it...

Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=806199&viewfull=1#post806199

Actually it is a good idea to have a "Conspiracy" link, since threads are easy to find and maintain here as well. From My point of view you should request the entire thread be moved over to Conspiracy because in truth, it is 100% Conspiracy...

(oh I forgot, that word apparently has been REDEFINED by main stream media???

LOLOLOL... hahahahahaha.... I will stick with the dictionary definition for my purposes!! ;)

It's time we take back our power and OUR interpretation. We are bloody drowning in a world of black operations, dirty politics, false flags, currency wars, and people want to pretend there is no such thing as CONSPIRACIES!?

It drives me crazy every time I have to hear someone, (and the titles, and professionalism keep going higher and higher, but people still keep apologizing, like they need permission from MSM to talk about conspiracies, this is a joke, we are basing our perception of reality based on MSM definition and programming of the word CONSPIRACY... Give me a break...

Conspiracies just mean someone (ok, at least 2 people) is up to no good behind your back! What is so hard to believe about that!?

pshawww!!!

[Atlas]

Matthias Chang [...] Points a finger clearly at US/Israel...

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Brainwashed for War - Programmed to Kill: The Military-Industrial-Media Complex Propaganda behind the Cold War, Vietnam War & War on Terrorism by Matthias Chang (Jan 1, 2006)

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Future Fastforward: The Zionist Anglo-American Empire Meltdown by Matthias Chang (2006)

‘All Nations Must Unite Against the New World Order’
A MESSAGE FOR AMERICA
The Address to American Patriots at the 2006 TBR-AFP Conference in Washington D.C.

Patriots gathered here today, it is with much regret that I cannot be with you in this historic city of America to participate in this landmark forum. But I know that when Michael Collins Piper reads out my message to you, he will convey my affections for the American Free Press, TBR and my heartfelt thanks to Mr. Carto for his invitation and my admiration for his resilience in ensuring that the true voice of America is heard, not only in America, but throughout the world. Long may he and the American Free Press and The Barnes Review continue publishing. I am also confident that Mike will also convey to you my love for America and the American people.

On receiving the invitation from Mr. Carto, I could not help but cast my mind to the Farewell Address of George Washington in 1796. I have read it so many times, and on each and every occasion, I found his counsel and wisdom more relevant and appropriate than ever.

As we gathered here, in the city named after him, it may be useful for us to recall just what this great American said.

Firstly:

“I shall carry it with me to my grave, as a strong incitement to unceasing vows that heaven may continue to you the choicest tokens of beneficence; that your union and brotherly affection may be perpetual; that the free constitution, which is the work of your hands, may be sacredly maintained; that its administration in every department may be stamped with wisdom and virtue; that in fine, the happiness of these states, under the auspices of liberty, may be made complete by so careful a preservation and so prudent a use of this blessing as will acquire to them the glory of recommending it to the applause, the affection, and adoption of every nation which is yet a stranger to it.

We, in Malaysia are no stranger to the goodness of America and your free Constitution. Strange as it may sound, your Constitution has inspired a generation of freedom fighters in the third world following World War II and continues to inspire people throughout the world even as the United States is waging wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and threatening insane nuclear strikes against Iran and Syria.

President Bush got it so wrong when he asked, “Why do they hate us?”

We don’t hate America and the American people, America is not our enemy.

The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence shall always be a beacon of hope for those who are oppressed. What has disappointed us and continues to dismay the victims of war is that essentially, since World War II, each and every U.S. administration has in one way or another betrayed the U.S. Constitution and the exhortations of President George Washington.

I seek your indulgence to consider:

How did we, the people of the third world and our lands become the strategic interest of the United States? Why should our resources be controlled by U.S. multinational corporations? Why must we be made cannon-fodder for the Zionist Global Agenda?

Why must Islam and its 1.6 billion adherents be demonized?

In the present circumstances, are we, the people of the third world, not entitled to question the motives of your government when we see George Washington’s counsel totally ignored:

Secondly:

“Observe good faith and justice toward all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and it can be that good policy does not equally enjoin it? It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence.”

Uncensored images on the disaster in Iraq must shock most of you. Just imagine what it is like to be on the receiving end, day-in, day-out, of laser guided bombs, cluster bombs, phosphorous bombs, senseless killings by death squads and tortures such as those in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay.

But death does not discriminate, it kills all and sundry. Should not the body bags bringing home brave young men and women and those maimed for life move us to question the morality of policies that are grounded on the principles that might is right and wars are legitimate means to settle disputes?

America lost over 50,000 of her bravest and most loyal in the quagmire of Vietnam. Over 2,500 have been slaughtered, and tens of thousands crippled for life in the Iraq debacle. And more will die in the years to come.

How many more lives must be sacrificed before we wake up to the folly of the policies of the Zionist-inspired neo-conservatives?

How many more parents, wives and children must suffer the dreaded knock on the front door, not to welcome a visitor, but to receive the confirmation of the death of a beloved family member?

I am not ashamed to admit in front of you that when I first saw the brutally deformed babies in the pediatric wards of various hospitals in Iraq – the result of depleted uranium radiation – and the wanton destruction and pain, anguish ripped through my guts and, as tears welled in my eyes, I prayed and prayed for strength to live through that horrifying day. And I vowed on that day that we must campaign to stop the killings.

Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad, in the Perdana Global Peace Conference in December 2005, called on the world to criminalize war. If murder is a crime during peacetime in our society, killing in time of war is also a crime. If we are civilized, war cannot be an option in the settlement of disputes between nations.

I plead before you, the good people of America, that you must reclaim America from the clutches of the Zionist-inspired neo-conservatives. It is only Americans who can reclaim America and her Constitution. It is only Americans who can execute the plan laid down by George Washington who counselled us:

Thirdly:

“In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges toward another habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest.

“Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury … when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur … the peace often, sometimes perhaps liberty, of nations, has been the victim.

“So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favourite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification.”

The passionate attachment for Israel, more so in recent times, has brought untold suffering not only to the world but to America as well. It cannot be right for America to abandon her sacred “duty and interest” just so that Zionist Israel can be the regional hegemon in the Middle East. Not satisfied with the vision of Israel’s forefathers, Ariel Sharon declared that Greater Israel should extend from Mauritania to Afghanistan, and not from the Nile to the Euphrates. And so the killing, the heinous and barbaric massacre of the innocents continues unabated.

World War IV has started. Another generation of brave young Americans will be slaughtered, denied the right to a full and rewarding life, the sacrificial lamb before the Zionist altar.

Norman Podheretz cannot be speaking as an American patriot when he declared in an article published in Commentary, a journal of the Zionist neo-cons that:

“Iraq is only the second front … the second scene, so to speak, of the first act of a five act play. In World War II and then in World War III, we persisted in spite of impatience, discouragement and opposition for as long as it took to win, and this is exactly what we have been called to do today in World War IV.”

Echoing the above sentiments, Dr. Earl Tilford, professor of history and a fellow of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies wrote in June 2004:

“World War IV is a total war on a global scale. World War IV seems complex but keep in mind during World War III (the Cold War) while American forces fought North Vietnamese regulars and National Liberation Front (Vietcong) guerillas in South Vietnam, we also fought the Pathet Lao in Laos and Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.

“From Greece and Yugoslavia to Korea and Vietnam and the Caribbean and jungles of South America, the Cold War involved a large number of nations and groups … The ‘War on Terror’ is no less complicated and similarly encompassing.

“This is World War IV. Forget the sleazy sickness of Abu Ghraib. Stop mouthing meaningless slogans like ‘Bush Lied, Soldiers Died’. Steel yourselves for a long bloody war. This is a war we must not lose.”

This cannot be America’s agenda.

This cannot be American that I know and admire.

This cannot be the America of the American Free Press, The Barnes Review, The Spotlight, and the truth seekers that I have long admired, Harry Elmer Barnes, Willis Carto, Michael Collins Piper, Christopher Petherick, Eustace Mullins (whose life-long persecution by the Police State is a disgrace to the Constitution), Col. Donn de Grand Pre and many more.

I have no doubts that this is a Zionist agenda. Are not the Zionists fostering the “illusion of an imaginary common interest” when the Project for the New American Century declares:

“No one should doubt that the United States and Israel share a common enemy. We are both targets of what you have correctly called the ‘Axis of Evil’. Israel is targeted in part because it is our friend and in part because it is an island of liberal democratic principles … American principles – in a sea of tyranny, intolerance, and hatred … Israel’s fight against terrorism is our fight. Israel’s victory is an important part of our victory. For reasons both moral and strategic, we need to stand with Israel in its fight against terrorism.”

Dear good people of America, I plead once again for “good faith and justice”, that George Washington’s America be reclaimed so that this great nation can take its rightful place as the center for peace and harmony with all, that Christianity and morality enjoin this conduct. We stand at the crossroad and as Mark Twain said, “each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn’t. We cannot shirk this and be a man (or woman). To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country; let me label you as they may.”

I have faith in the goodness and morality of America, of his great nation to do what is right. The peace and freedom loving peoples of the world await your decision.

I have faith and the conviction that this gathering of true American patriots will decide correctly and reclaim George Washington’s America from the Zionist neocons.

Wishing all of you every success in your deliberations. And I thank you for accepting this message from Malaysia.

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[Rocky_Shorz]

hmmm, a warning to Malaysia not to be accusing Israel of kidnapping?

Malaysia Airlines flight MH192 lands safely in Kuala Lumpur after gear malfunction - @MAS?


one of the situations discussed in the main thread must be right, we covered all the possibilities so let's say 99.9% conspiracy, I think the thread should be moved into the important thread section so it isn't lost in time...

[Cardillac]

I also read the info that a 'clone' of Malaysian 370 was docked in the wings at Ben Gurion Airport but don't know if it's true; assuming the info was legit and the abduction of Malaysian 370 was "intended" to be somehow an Israeli-backed clever bail-and-switch to create a false flag op, why has Malaysian 370 just simply DISAPPEARED?- no wreckage anywhere, confused info (MSM) about source of transponder signals, etc. but no trace of this plane (nor its fragments) whatsoever anymore/anywhere-

it's absolutely impossible to lose track of a plane due to satellite technology; look, we're all looking for logical answers to this phenomena but could it be this time it goes beyond our logic/info and what we've been told about the world out there (precious little)?-

I just think all of us need to get over our "cheap selves" and realize this plane just DISAPPEARED and there is, as yet, no terrestrial/logical/what for? explaination for it-

why can't people deal with this concept?- we don't even know HALF about all that's going on out there in our world...

stay well all-

Larry

[Snoweagle]

MH 370 Flight 370 - Former Political Secretary - Israel bought same plane 1 year previous

Sure, Israeli manipulation of US has been on going for decades going back to Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty in 1967, but where is the connection to to MH 370?

Matthias Chang Wen Chieh is a former political secretary to former Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad
Very interesting speculation, based on his privileged inside information and knowledge of geo-politics. Points a finger clearly at US/Israel... (surprise, surprise)

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Excellent information. Recommend viewing and download.
And he didn't mention the Rothschild Patent interest either.

[Snoweagle]

I also read the info that a 'clone' of Malaysian 370 was docked in the wings at Ben Gurion Airport but don't know if it's true; assuming the info was legit and the abduction of Malaysian 370 was "intended" to be somehow an Israeli-backed clever bail-and-switch to create a false flag op, why has Malaysian 370 just simply DISAPPEARED?- no wreckage anywhere, confused info (MSM) about source of transponder signals, etc. but no trace of this plane (nor its fragments) whatsoever anymore/anywhere-

it's absolutely impossible to lose track of a plane due to satellite technology; look, we're all looking for logical answers to this phenomena but could it be this time it goes beyond our logic/info and what we've been told about the world out there (precious little)?-

I just think all of us need to get over our "cheap selves" and realize this plane just DISAPPEARED and there is, as yet, no terrestrial/logical/what for? explaination for it-

why can't people deal with this concept?- we don't even know HALF about all that's going on out there in our world...

stay well all-

Larry

We come here to ask and review topics of our times because we do not have the answers. Considering your self "cheap" is valid if you voluteer being considered a slave. If you cannot grasp the significance of this event and the lies being spewed by the controlled media then maybe this forum is not for you?

The "concept" is people are being blatantly murdered before our very eyes daily all over the world and one countrys name keeps coming up with the likely escalating use of directed energy weapons by the same technological countries, screams "cover up".

[Flash]

I also read the info that a 'clone' of Malaysian 370 was docked in the wings at Ben Gurion Airport but don't know if it's true; assuming the info was legit and the abduction of Malaysian 370 was "intended" to be somehow an Israeli-backed clever bail-and-switch to create a false flag op, why has Malaysian 370 just simply DISAPPEARED?- no wreckage anywhere, confused info (MSM) about source of transponder signals, etc. but no trace of this plane (nor its fragments) whatsoever anymore/anywhere-

it's absolutely impossible to lose track of a plane due to satellite technology; look, we're all looking for logical answers to this phenomena but could it be this time it goes beyond our logic/info and what we've been told about the world out there (precious little)?-

I just think all of us need to get over our "cheap selves" and realize this plane just DISAPPEARED and there is, as yet, no terrestrial/logical/what for? explaination for it-

why can't people deal with this concept?- we don't even know HALF about all that's going on out there in our world...

stay well all-

Larry

We come here to ask and review topics of our times because we do not have the answers. Considering your self "cheap" is valid if you voluteer being considered a slave. If you cannot grasp the significance of this event and the lies being spewed by the controlled media then maybe this forum is not for you?

The "concept" is people are being blatantly murdered before our very eyes daily all over the world and one countrys name keeps coming up with the likely escalating use of directed energy weapons by the same technological countries, screams "cover up".

Cool off Snoweagle. If Cadillac does not want to believe conspiracy theories (for him) which are realities for others, fine, he does not want to go that path. However he is bringing us into the paranormal phenomena, which may be valid too. His mistake is to call our selves "cheap" meaning low level thinking, which is despising for sure. So Cadillac, cool off too lol

It is not a reason for either one of you to quit the forum. We did have some of these spat Sigma6 and I, at times, may still have in the future but they have gotten far in between and nobody had to quit the forum, see.

[Cardillac]

@Flash

"If Cadillac does not want to believe conspiracy theories (for him) which are realities for others"- I'm the first one to believe in conspiracy theories otherwise I wouldn't be an incorrigible fan of David Icke- nor would I be on this forum-

"It is not a reason for either one of you to quit the forum"- did I ever state I had die-hard plans to quit this forum?- if I recall correctly I once stated I had problems with the narrow-mindedness of some members (what a concept- as if some narrow-minders on this forum don't exist) and felt due to narrow-mindedness I was at least one time in the wrong film-

please, Flash or any others, please don't underestimate me; I joined this forum simply because I've had too many paranormal (our convenient labeling) experiences in my life since my earliest childhood and thought I could be here among friends even though we are anonymous to each other (same as paranormal experiences)-

so please don't anyone "label" me as not believing in conspiracy theories (the whole world is a conspiracy- look at true world history); but my point about the Malaysian 370 flight is it is until now completely unexplainable; why do people have a problem with the concept we humans can't explain everything?-

please stay well Flash and all readers-

Larry

[Flash]

Russia, Malaysia, China, Taiwan, Indonesia all voted to allow Iran into NATO even though Israel refuses to join as a NATO member nation.
No wonder they set the EU, Russia, Asian attacks in effect. They hide behind attacks and point fingers. Sell nukes to rogue dissident sects of anti government because they can buy the land cheaper, in a war torn zone? Businesses and banking all coming to their banks under various "cultural" banking nations?

Wow, perhaps the 2nd candlestick is Israel's nation. They don't mind bombing their own people to turn the world on Iran? Targets probably in the "black Hebrew poor areas."
They certainly wouldn't bomb their own religious sites or government offices, unless the party lines is changing their support for Nuttyferya. Then he wouldn't care how many got in the way, he'd eliminate them.

You probably meant UN and not NATO, because from what I know, Russia, China,Taiwan or Indonesia or Malaysia have nothing to do with NATO.

[Atlas]

the whole world is a conspiracy

I like this one ;) I wonder if the whole Universe (including the parallel universes) could as well be some kind of a giant conspiracy !

[thunder24]

you mean you don't KNOW?!


the whole world is a conspiracy

I like this one ;) I wonder if the whole Universe (including the parallel universes) could as well be some kind of a giant conspiracy !

[sigma6]

I also read the info that a 'clone' of Malaysian 370 was docked in the wings at Ben Gurion Airport but don't know if it's true; assuming the info was legit and the abduction of Malaysian 370 was "intended" to be somehow an Israeli-backed clever bail-and-switch to create a false flag op, why has Malaysian 370 just simply DISAPPEARED?- no wreckage anywhere, confused info (MSM) about source of transponder signals, etc. but no trace of this plane (nor its fragments) whatsoever anymore/anywhere-

it's absolutely impossible to lose track of a plane due to satellite technology; look, we're all looking for logical answers to this phenomena but could it be this time it goes beyond our logic/info and what we've been told about the world out there (precious little)?-

I just think all of us need to get over our "cheap selves" and realize this plane just DISAPPEARED and there is, as yet, no terrestrial/logical/what for? explaination for it-

why can't people deal with this concept?- we don't even know HALF about all that's going on out there in our world...
stay well all-
Larry

It didn't just disappear, you are taking things way too literally, try to read between the lines... who ever did it, wants to start a panic, wants to start a war. The Asians aren't taking the bait. I am sure it is known who took it. This is nothing short of an international provocation. Maybe the Chinese government would know it's people would scream bloody murder... they don't want that... if you follow Fulford, you know there is a BIGGER GAME afoot, and the Chinese, Russians, India, etc. are INTENT on winning that...

They want to make sure IF there is a huge war, that the US will be seen as the true instigator, they know it is always the side with the moral high ground that wins. That is why the US/Israel have to do everything by stealth, by deception... It's not about brute military force, might is right... So in this sense this pans out exactly as Karen Hudes predicted, Lawful interpretation will prevail. They know the US used technology to jam radar. That's no big deal... they have an idea where it is... but without pictures, photographers on the ground, and all the world to see, the US/Israel, may be forced to kill the hostages, blow up the plane etc... Just because we don't know doesn't mean that we have to go in for magical, supernatural, alien intervention... there is enough evidence, like other military radar picking up the signal, in fact all the information is out there... the jamming was a test run, and there was gaps, from the cell phone calls, the satellite signals, other countries military radar... You are listening to MSM and it shows...

[sigma6]

the whole world is a conspiracy

I like this one ;) I wonder if the whole Universe (including the parallel universes) could as well be some kind of a giant conspiracy !


Actually that is true. That is what all the data is telling us... I think they have been making movies about it, in one form or another since the beginning of the century. And the charade goes all the way back to the Nativity story... You know the one about having to get registered and pay taxes....

[thunder24]

so the whole conspiracy is just a litle over 2000 years old?! does this have anything to do with CHARLES' MASTER???





the whole world is a conspiracy

I like this one ;) I wonder if the whole Universe (including the parallel universes) could as well be some kind of a giant conspiracy !


Actually that is true. That is what all the data is telling us... I think they have been making movies about it, in one form or another since the beginning of the century. And the charade goes all the way back to the Nativity story... You know the one about having to get registered and pay taxes....

what link does this have to

Rothschild empire
Kazars
Arians
Mars
War
Is
Ra
El

[sigma6]

Maybe this has something to do with it...
Global Consequences: Russia Announces Eurasian Union and New Currency Altyn
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/breaking-russia-announces-eurasian-union-and-new-currency-altyn/
from a Russian author's point of view...


Here is the problem: Since over the years US spent most of its gold reserves creating an illusion of the solvent dollar, they had to find more gold somewhere else when China started demanding delivery on its gold contracts. To accomplish that, the US had to raid the gold reserves of other counties whose gold it held in trust at the New York Fed. It became impossible to cover up the fact that the gold was gone after Germany demanded part of its gold back. Out of the 1500 tons it has been storing at the NY Fed, Germany demanded only 400 tons back. However, even that partial amount the US couldn’t muster. Germany was told that the delivery had to be made over the course of 7 years, at the rate of 50 tons per year. In the first year, the US was able to deliver only 5 tons, essentially admitting to the world that the US squandered the gold it held in trust for other nations.

[indigopete]

I'm not aware that this has been posted yet.

Apologies if it has. Matthias Chang takes apart the media-engineered view of the MH370 disappearance.

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[ghostrider]

yes , saw his yesterday , the guy is very smart and ask the big questions ...

[GuyFox]

Mr Chang is a good strategist - he sees the Big picture clearly.
He made one comment that has really stayed with me:

WHAT can those of us, who are on the OUTSIDE, really do?

"We can create an environment ... So when the Whistleblowers do come out, they feel SAFE"
(this requires mobilization of public opinion... and maybe more)

This will encourage whistleblowers, who will otherwise, be afraid to face the Risks (of whistleblowing)

At the end, he says: "Enough is Enough! False Flag is real."
(We must get the word out. To have a public understanding. Let's End it)

[Atlas]

WHY WAR IS INEVITABLE
by Matthias Chang

"To prove the point, let me use a simple analogy.

It is often reported in the headlines of newspapers that a certain gentleman or woman had been brutally beaten up for failing to pay the debts due to a money-lender. In Malaysia, money-lenders are often referred to as “Ah-Longs”. This is even the case when the debt is paltry. If the money-lender adopts the “soft method” in recovering a loan, it may encourage defaults and non-payments. Brutality ensures full compliance!

So is the case with nations. When the very survival of a nation is at stake because of economic and or currency warfare, do you really think that the nation at risk would not go to war?

The US invaded Iraq not because of the threat of Saddam’s WMD but for the crude oil and because Saddam was selling crude oil in Euros instead of the dollar toilet paper.

The shadow money-lenders are in a desperate situation and they will start a world war to avoid the collapse of the fiat money system. The war will be financed by the major central banks and their proxies – the 8 to 10 global commercial and investment banks. As in World War I and II, the elites of the City of London and Wall Street will be the primary movers of this insidious plot.

Anyone who doubts this scenario need only to ask one simple question – Do you think the financial powers centered in the West would accept and tolerate their loss of financial power? [...]"

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_globalbanking57.htm

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm not aware that this has been posted yet.

Already posted here
Threads merged :).

[GuyFox]

HOW WE CAN WIN... Beating the TBTB

(TBTB = The B"st@rds That Be)

They seem to be losing. They are getting increasingly sloppy.
Are they desperate?
Perhaps they see that their power is ebbing away every day, and are desperate
to achieve key objectives, like Gun control in the US, before they are swamped
by any number of rising challenges facing TBTB.

Some months ago, "Plane" on Time Monk Radio proposed a strategy for beating them.

This is a good discussion, especially the last 1/4 or so, after 1 hour:

The Plane Truth ~ Hollywoodization of Terror/News - PTS 3052
= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxwtS-wd0qk =
(an under-appreciated conversation with only 567 views, and 6 likes,
perhaps people did not hear the vital last part after 1:03.)

At 1:21 hours, a few minutes before the end, Plane says:

(I paraphrase here):
"We need to find an issue where we can clearly beat them....
Where we can get the support of 20% or more, and defeat their agenda."

Once we do that, the Ridicule Factor, "one of their biggest weapons" will melt away.

Malaysia 370 has a decent chance of being THAT needed issue, and on a Global basis.

(I am going to launch a new thread around this post; and why not?):
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70758-HOW-WE-CAN-WIN...-Beating-the-TBTB

[sigma6]

As much as I agree, and that is a great catch phrase... "Hollywoodization of Terrorism" ... so true, it seems when it comes to espionage, mass deception, propaganda, misinformation campaigns, there is no expense spared... Deception in a Police State is a money saving and efficient investment. Then again all that would go out the window to an awake and alert public...

Imagine the security around that plane, where ever it is... I don't think they would destroy it, because it would have too much worth on the black market in the very least, unless they smashed it up trying to emergency land it somewhere... But if this was a planned heist, they must have prepared a special secret landing area. And he makes such a simple obvious observation, who else would have the means, the motive (i.e. access to the Boeing engineering standards) to hack the systems like this in the first place? Even if you had to guess between Russia, China and the US... This is really a no brainer.

And if word of this gets out... I am going to make a prediction. There should be a huge backlash... a huge sales drop on Boeing computer controlled planes which could really backfire on the Americans.
If word get out... and it sure looks like a massive hemorrhaging leak to me...

Also thank you Karelia for putting this thread back in the Conspiracy Section! ';-)

[sigma6]

message I got from someone corresponding on my google hangouts, it appears to be from someone who has English 2nd language skills but its enough to understand...
I find this interesting because it has correlation with what Fulford was saying... ie. that everyone knows where the craft is... But what make this weird is this biological angle...
And he is making a prediction... so read on and let's keep track to see if any of this comes out in the wash... :)

hello again sigma six..i have some more info that will be used in the false flag ...were you aware that when the plane went missing 24 hrs after on asian tv news not mainstream..china sent 15 top bio scientists to the maldives as a bio hazzard broke out...WHY ? simply there was a cargo of bio hazzrad on mh370 but not on the cargo manifest it was brought by china from affilated members of al queda cia in jan 2014 it was transfered to malaysia in march from the middle east placed under the malaysian PM residence for 3 days to be transported to bejing..but when that plane went missing the chinese were pissed off which was why they were the 1st country to act in search of plane as the knew where it was,but malaysian authority at the time came out in media and said no we can do this ourself no country help we can naming malaysia this was public news on march 9th 2014. when the attack occurs u will see in media there was a chemical attack on the plane this is the bio weapon to kill isrealis you watch i will return see u soon sigma

[sigma6]

Big Flight 370 Lead! Former Malaysian PM Says CIA Covering Up the Truth!
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