Greer on Gov & ET interactions

[mojo]

A recent discussion by Dr. Greer and helping to understand his reasoning/perceptions and remarks on abductions vs ET inviting humans aboard about 7 minutes in, which was an important talking point in some past threads.

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[swoods_blue]

Very interesting material, and of course we know that Greer disagrees with many of Project Camelot's other witnesses and researchers such as David Icke, Zach Sitchin or Erich von Daaniken. The alternative point of view is that "hostile" ETs (aka "Reptilians") aren't going to come in guns a-blazin', but rather use far more subtle means of manipulating the mental environment and creating propaganda programs (such as religions). They are playing a long game of control, not trying to instigate and win a shooting war. Greer totally ignores that point of view, and wrongly describes the alternative/new age thinking on this issue.

And I hope that this discussion avoids personal attacks on Greer -- that's been discussed in enough depth elsewhere. I hope that we could focus on the difference between these perspectives instead of personalities.

[donk]

I just listened, I agree with some of what he says, especially involving disinfo…but here’s my take (and please correct me if I am wrong or misunderstanding):

Greer doesn’t really believe that there are “no bad ETs”…he believes WE are the bad ETs, and any other “bad ETs” not spiritually enough evolved are quarantined on their planet, not allowed to leave….oh and so there are no ALIEN abductions. ETs that CAN abduct never would. I am fairly certain that is HIS talking point—again correct me if I am wrong.

He also believes there is no way there can be a hidden force among ETs intervening here in any way, that if there were bad aliens they would have “conquered” us—and he doesn’t see that, so there must not be no “bad ET intervention”…obviously they COULD just dominate but because it is not apparent to him that they are (now, in all places at all times), then obviously they’re not here…so that strengthens his argument that any beings that COULD get here never WOULD do anything harmful to us, they HAVE to be spiritually evolved.

And maybe he’s right. But he speaks VERY authoritatively on motivations of whatever ETs he does believe in, as well as the “military”, I can’t be as presumptuous—I really haven’t experienced anything that would allow me to believe that I could do that.

So I have to stand by my previous “talking points”, his message could be dangerous. My mind is not “colonized by fear” because I believe the “few bad apples” he dismisses actually exist and could break the quarantine of the magnificent benevolent highly evolved grand beings protecting “good-but-lower beings” (I guess for lack of better terms) from the dangerous types like us (who will never be allowed off planet).

I feel that even if everything he says is “true”…his hypothesis that a species’ ability (I’m sorry, maybe a better term would be a “species’ permission from higher species”) to leave their planet is directly proportional to their spiritual evolution…I feel that is directly contradicted by the behavior I have observed of physical 3d/5 sense reality based beings right here, to project the exact opposite onto the universe to me is bizarre (at best, dangerous at worst)

Anyone else get that from this? I know apologist feel Greer is attacked any time anyone questions something he says…I am questioning: this is my interpretation of the information he chose to transmit. Please correct any errors you see in my perception...thanks

[donk]

I was thinking like Greer the other night when I watched a movie called “Pacific Rim”. In it, the mantids are your typical parasitic predator type species that goes from world to world leaching resources. They send dinosaur type monsters through an interdimensional portal to soften up the military and weaken the population centers.

I guess there is some limitations on how the wormhole or whatever works, where they could only send one dino at first and then 6 months later another one or two and as more time passes they can send more and bigger dinos faster in some sort of exponential growth curve of speed, so that by the time we are in the present in the movie, there is the danger that the flood is coming, and our military technology (big mechanical humanoid robots controlled by humans locked in a mind-meld, cuz one human brain can’t handle it alone).

Anyways, here’s my Greer thinking: these dudes figured out how to use an interdimensional portal to get to their target—why the eff are they using trained dino-monsters as their “scouting team”? How is it possible, that within the eons of existence and vastness of space, a species right around the exact SAME level of technical advancement is what we encounter…

Cuz the first dinos were just lame “category 1 or 2” or whatever they classified them. They kept getting bigger as time went by, which implies their technology improves as time passes in the movie, until finally at the climax they had developed or learned to train a giant category one—with WINGS!!

Apparently they didn’t need these against the other worlds they conquered? Or they chose to send their crappiest weapons first? I know it is for dramatic effect, the movie is really cool to look at and imagine if you can do it without thinking….my point is, my first thought is that a species that can send trained dinosaurs through interdimensional portals with a mission or plan WOULD HAVE to be able to develop a craft that can survive the depths of the ocean (one of the only reasons I could think of that the dino tactic would make sense is because the “breach” happens to be in the bottom of the Pacific…probably not conducive environment for mantids) and maybe get intel from one of their “thinking” master beings (they are a hive mind, of course) instead of the Hulk they send loose with the command of “smash”. That if smashing things was a crucial part of their plan, they would have bombs as good (or better) than ours. And if not initially, at least after the second time we killed a dino.

No, they just develop the dino tech…just like a human military, I guess…there must be a mantid making a killing designing and cloning giant dino-monsters, holding back on the tech just like our industrial military complex. Anyway, that’s my biggest point…in the stories we tell ourselves, we project human logic and thought on to all other consciousnesses.

Which brings me to what is really an important point to me: any being with any knowledge of the reality that we find ourselves in would KNOW that consciousness is the key connection. Smashing shot and blowing sh!t is all well and good, I guess, if you are into that kind of thing, but real “malevolence” or “harm” to me comes in ALL forms of the violation of one’s will—not just destroying the physical vehicle one happens to reside in or the environment that those vehicles thrive in.

Greer’s view seems to me to be that the only malevolence would take the form of these mantids coming and sitting on a giant throne overlooking the wreckage the had wrought. He not only can’t imagine, but dismisses as disinfo and conspiracy theory the suggestion that a species could get the tech to get here and use it to manipulate reality—without utterly devastating it.

Cuz I don’t know about you, but slavery to me is a form of death. And there are several degrees of slavery worse than the type we find ourselves in now, that to me—death may be preferable to. I don’t believe any spiritually evolved being would prevent any being from choosing to enslave—after all, that in itself is not only ET INTERVENTION, it is a violation of another’s will.

Sure, we “judge” the intentions as “good”, as do these benevolent beings…but those being quarantined—any who would choose to try exercise their will in a way we see as malevolent—well then they are the victims of malevolent acts and intent…from their point of view.

Which brings me to the movie I watched last night: The Thirteenth Floor, (SPOILER ALERT!!) a great vision of what it might be like if we were just living in a simulation. In that one, characters in the simulation build a simulation themselves—and so discover there are higher that take control over their vehicles (pretty much, possess them, quite honestly). Some of the characters are great, some are despicable, most are just characters—with good and bad aspects…but one thing in common: never enough true information.

Because the people possessing the characters in the simulation are incapable of seeing the characters as independent beings—until one demonstrates something like empathy or compassion—beyond the programming. He demonstrated self awareness, and questioned his reality.

And what that movie showed is that one bad apple can mess up an entire mini-universe. One being, with god-like knowledge over another species, decides the other beings aren’t worth caring about, that it’s “fun” to harm them and watch them squirm—it’s all it takes, the appearance of one individual exercising it’s free will in a way that violates others, and it becomes a sh!tstorm for the “lower” beings.

Most of the “players” of the simulation just play and explore and interact with the universe they find themselves in. One chose to make himself a god, and enjoyed hurting the “electrons in the machines” representing real beings, that were programmed to believe they were real. And those “thought forms” created a simulation where they learned that the thought forms that they created seemed to be every bit as real them.

So I’ve been rambling going on an hour now, I guess I should try to make sense of my seemingly disparate thoughts that compelled me to barf this onto the forum:

-Greer’s thoughts to me seem to be that he thinks we (or people that disagree or are ignorant of him and his mentality) believe in a Pacific Rim type reality. I think he dumbs down the concept of ET intervention and closes minds rather than broadens, by focusing only on the “fear induction”. There are more motivations in the universe than causing fear, even within individuals. It is unhealthy to project any on to others in such generalities. Greer denies the possibility axiom that “absolute power corrupts absolutes”, and assumes that anyone can achieve anything like that power will take the Spiderman axiom to heart and practice “with great power comes great responsibility”. This is why I feel his message is dangerous, as in my experience, it is not always the case that reality is like that. And anyone wanting to manipulate that reality would use this truth against those they would control.

-Higher beings (and by that I mean any being with more of an understanding of the nature of reality than me—who has relatively little and perhaps no “knowledge”) can act malevolently toward “lower” beings without even intending it…since I believe benevolence and malevolence are COMPLETELY relative, and it is possible that even the most knowledgable beings that we can imagine, may be capable of overlooking the fact their actions may have consequences they did not intend.

-So it comes down to personal responsibility. Greer seems to me to make our species the fence that divides “spiritually evolved” from those “unworthy of real knowledge”, where we are on some sort of cusp that all ETs capable of interstellar travel have transcended, and those that can’t are doomed to be imprisoned.

It is a fascinating idea…that there IS right and wrong, good and evil. I am not sure I’m buying that (Pacific Rim) though, I think it is way more complex (13th Floor)—where the “agenda” of a species CANNOT be generalized, that each individual has millions of pieces of information, only a very few they are aware of, that go into any decision. And so even if his vision of the UN projected onto some sort of United Galaxy or whatever is actually close to reality, that you can never say “the federation is good” and species like us and the rest they contain need their “benevolence” and they won’t give it to us (and allow us off planet) til we’re all like them…I just don’t get it.

Who does it serve to believe anything like these ideas? Am I misinterpreting him??

Anyways—I brought up those movies cuz I had one other (completely unrelated) point I couldn’t figure out how to bring up: The effect used for the pilots of the mechs in Pacific Rim to merge their minds is the exact same used to represent the consciousness transfer into the simulations in the 13th Floor….a Stargate-esque blast through a nueral “wormhole” that I swear might be the same stock footage.

It’s interesting to me, because I think ALL of this is about consciousness, and mind control…and that it is important to dissect Greer’s message as it seems to me to be a tool to control or distort the reality of it. I don’t think it serves a conscious being (that believes it exists and has free will—I count myself as one of these) to believe that any being with more knowledge than itself is going to use that for the good of anyone else. That is why I always comment on Greer. Sorry it took this long to get here, but that is it….I don’t care about his degrees, his money, his looks, or even how treats people. I care that people believe him, and he wants us to believe that any “higher” is incable of service-to-self. That, to me, is a dangerous (to humanity—beings like me) mindset.

[Bill Ryan]

Who does it serve to believe anything like these ideas?

--> The Reptilian takeover agenda.

How would they do it? Wherever possible, by infiltrating and fully taking over the bodies of key opinion leaders in the media (alternative and mainstream), senior military officers, politicians, and other global decision-makers. The Greer of 2001 would be a prime target. Mission accomplished.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

I could actually accept that idea as being very possible Bill, Greer even has that look and demeanor about him, certainly not there 13 years ago.

[Hervé]

If you go to to Eve Lorgen site (http://evelorgen.com/wp/category/articles/), you'll find she references a PDF by Stéphane Cardinaux:

http://evelorgen.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/St%C3%A9phane-Cardinaux-Reptiliens-etc.pdf

... in which, on the first page, bottom-left, you might recognize Steven Greer... or the "Governator"... or that dude in one of the "Conan" movies right when he shapeshifts into a snake...

[Limor Wolf]

Who does it serve to believe anything like these ideas?

--> The Reptilian takeover agenda.

How would they do it? Wherever possible, by infiltrating and fully taking over the bodies of key opinion leaders in the media (alternative and mainstream), senior military officers, politicians, and other global decision-makers. The Greer of 2001 would be a prime target. Mission accomplished.

Thank you for saying that, Bill. Also, reptilian are prime race but not the only one to do it, It will be surprising to find out that this game is played by the 'oposition' as well. Remote-influencing of the earthly human brain is the easiest thing to do when the mind is as open as an infant's brain ready to be conditioned, and is infact an open relaying station, recieving and broadcasting with no barriers. Untill we learn to put ones. A huge challange for the next generations or so. A full body take over may be easier to detect, especially with reptilians, brain influence with no outer signs will be more challenging, and eventually, it's all about the mental grip of what is considered the real steering wheel which is driving the vehicle, consciousness that is, which is trenched into the physical body via the mind. All else, technology and any other psychological brainwashing are but imitation to the real thing. Choosing our alies is most important.

But no worries according to Greer, well, he may have nothing to worry about anymore himself.

[onawah]

I posted this on the other current thread about Greer, but it belongs here too, I think:
the following is from the most recent email sent out by Steven Greer's organization.
What it brings up for me at this point is: who would be willing to come forward publicly with a viable free energy invention in the current paradigm?
It doesn't seem very likely to me, but I could be wrong.
Would anyone really be that...I don't know what word I am looking for... naive? trusting? courageous? confident?
???????????


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This is necessary. A set of plans on the Internet will not, by itself, solve the problem.The average person (me included) could not make a toaster from a set of schematics !
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In Universal Peace,

Steven M. Greer MD
Albemarle County, VA
Earth Day
22 April 2014

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There's a lot about this that doesn't make sense to me.
Although clearly, the military's blackop technology is not available to the public, and Greer's proposal, that someone who has a free energy device that could be used by the public come forward and make it available, seems logical on the face of it.
He doesn't deny that the blackops have that kind of advanced technology, it's just that they are keeping it secret and unavailable.
But Greer knows very well what happens to anyone who goes public with such inventions, so for me, the puzzling factor is why anyone would think that would be a safe thing to do.
In other words, anyone who would reveal such an invention could basically be exposing themselves to a high risk of death by "accident"--the kind of "accident" that so many whistleblowers and ethical scientists and inventors have suffered over the years whenever they've tried to do something good for the world.
So it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people would consider this more of a way to "out" such people so that they could be more easily disposed of.
And I can see why they might think that.
Greer has been painted into such a corner (and has had a hand in that himself) I think it might be a good idea for him to just take a backseat and let someone else drive for a change.

Bill's suggestion, that Greer has simply been taken over, doesn't seem that far-fetched anymore.
Is there any reliable whistle-blower info about how that could be accomplished, and how we might recognize it (other than bizarre behavior, which could be caused by lots of things)?

[mojo]

Thank you all and appreciate the different perspectives brought fourth so far, as it seems we are all after the same thing, the truth. Today emailed Greers camp in hopes to finding some answers. Wish to provide Dr. Greer an opportunity to elaborate.

Swords_blue poses a good question in which he may be willing to anwer...

They are playing a long game of control, not trying to instigate and win a shooting war. Greer totally ignores that point of view, and wrongly describes the alternative/new age thinking on this issue.

[swoods_blue]

I care that people believe him, and he wants us to believe that any “higher” is incable of service-to-self. That, to me, is a dangerous (to humanity—beings like me) mindset.

Well, shoot, Donk... You sure took plenty of time clearing your throat to get around to your point. :heh:

But I think you nailed it right here.

[Bill Ryan]

Who does it serve to believe anything like these ideas?

--> The Reptilian takeover agenda.

How would they do it? Wherever possible, by infiltrating and fully taking over the bodies of key opinion leaders in the media (alternative and mainstream), senior military officers, politicians, and other global decision-makers. The Greer of 2001 would be a prime target. Mission accomplished.

Thank you for saying that, Bill. Also, reptilian are prime race but not the only one to do it, It will be surprising to find out that this game is played by the 'oposition' as well. Remote-influencing of the earthly human brain is the easiest thing to do when the mind is as open as an infant's brain ready to be conditioned, and is infact an open relaying station, recieving and broadcasting with no barriers. Untill we learn to put ones. A huge challange for the next generations or so. A full body take over may be easier to detect, especially with reptilians, brain influence with no outer signs will be more challenging, and eventually, it's all about the mental grip of what is considered the real steering wheel which is driving the vehicle, consciousness that is, which is trenched into the physical body via the mind. All else, technology and any other psychological brainwashing are but imitation to the real thing. Choosing our alies is most important.

But no worries according to Greer, well, he may have nothing to worry about anymore himself.

:bump: :bump: :bump:

This most marvelous post from Limor deserves to receive the Avalon Post of the Month award. :)

[peterspm]

bingo!! jackpot. hole-in-1.

[sigma6]

In other words, anyone who would reveal such an invention could basically be exposing themselves to a high risk of death by "accident"--the kind of "accident" that so many whistleblowers and ethical scientists and inventors have suffered over the years whenever they've tried to do something good for the world.
So it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people would consider this more of a way to "out" such people so that they could be more easily disposed of.
And I can see why they might think that.

Then again, I am in agreement he has hit on a few solid fundamentals, the landscape is changing, Greer has protected others by using his "Public umbrella" and they have come forward and we all have benefited from the information...

And he is applying the same principle here, and that is consistent to me...

And he talks about open source, and I agree 100% in principle with this approach... if there is a dark side, yes... maybe someone will get killed... maybe someone does have to make a sacrifice, but imagine if that happened under the circumstances of someone coming forward into the mainstream (if you can call that, because he has a "movie" out) i.e. into Greer's "Public umbrella" for example and then dying from an "accident"... that could have the potential to create a powerful martyr situation potentially a proverbial straw that breaks the Camels back...

(like Microsofts attack on Netscape... that finally ushered in the DOJ anti-trust trials... that my friends was a major turning point in the life of Microsoft's "deal with the devil"... what they are today... )

That could be the straw the breaks the camels back... and because it was all open source and in the public, it would be amenable to others to carry on the work...
This has never been done properly in my mind... It always gets bogged down on logistics of legalities... (which is exactly what "their" system is designed to do...)

And while people haggle and jockey for control (out of greed) they end up in quicksand... and the rest is history... or like Meyers, the proud loners against the system, they get snuffed out and nobody even hears about til 10 years later... how many people in the mainstream even know who Stanley Meyers is? How many here were "there" (heard about it in the media...) when he died?

That is the problem in my mind... a public platform and a large media connection would keep predators at bay...

I see potential in what he says... not judging the man... don't have enough info, not to say I am not unsure...

You guys should know by now I always take "my" side.... (lol) to be honest, I can't figure Greer out, the news around him is too heated and emotional... I don't see enough solid verifiable hard facts... I do see alot of huge personality clashes (the man definitely has an ego... and he may be an egomaniac even) I do have my other suspicions... but that doesn't make him 100% guilty... a lot of "big names" that push through history changing movements, were men of very large ego and personal scandal... ;/




On the Reptilian mind control takeover argument... let me prick a pin in that balloon... just some food for thought...

I don't see Greer as being "taken over", so much as possibly having "sold out" possibly, but as I said above I can't be sure, but taken over, I don't think so... Thinks of (dang can't remember her Name, Raven Solaris? the psychic.... She could tell when they were attacking her, because she is sensitive to it... Greer has been studying and practicing meditation for how many decades? You develop a presence of mind that people who don't meditate have no clue about... And some might argue that, that may make him vulnerable, and again I would disagree, it's not that simple. And he doesn't channel, he meditates, he doesn't give himself over to other influences, that is not his personality... but nice try...

If he is "taken over" and that is a possibility, it would be a conscious decision on his part... but now you have to make a case taking all the context in, and would say the jury is still out on that...

[onawah]

If Greer could guarantee anonymity to the inventors who came forward, that might be more of a motivator for some, but I don't think that's even possible these days with the amount of surveillance that is going on.
Willingness to be a sacrificial lamb might have to be a requirement, but I don't know if Greer's reputation can inspire that kind of confidence these days.
Even if the sacrifice were made willingly, what kind of guarantee is there that the plan would actually succeed, given Greer's present status, which has become so controversial....
A lot of money would have to be entrusted to him to develop such a project, and his name hasn't been cleared yet of mismanagement of funds, to my knowledge.
The advice to someone stuck in quicksand is to stop struggling, but that seems to be something he is incapable of, and his ego is probably the reason for that.
If he would just get out of his own way and turn the project over to someone reputable, it would probably all go a lot smoother.
I think he's just been too compromised, even if the worst charges against him prove to be untrue.
It seems like he's lost touch with reality.
Meditation can be misused, and made to prop up ego instead of manage it--I've seen it happen.

[Davidallany]

Meditation can be misused, and made to prop up ego instead of manage it--I've seen it happen.
Very true. Human frailty stands in the way, always. No one is error-free. However one should wake up and smell the roses in the now, because that's the only way to smell the roses. Maybe Mr. Greer had gone astray a little but one must recognize that he is still active in the disclosure program and thus should be given a credit for that, not in the form of money though. I think that he is well-off.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks mojo........

Steven Greer speculates in the interview that humans have possibly been interacting
with ET's since we evolved. Which explains his view that if they wanted to take us over
they would have done , but are waiting for us to evolve enough to join the galactic community,
and the negative element are from humans simulating ET's based here which started
presumably after WW11 . I understand where he is coming from, but does not seem
to acknowledge they are here among us and probably always have been ,unless I
misunderstood him when he says they are monitoring us but not interfering.

There are arguments for many scenarios of whats happening the fact he seems to
be sticking to one , in one sense is consistent , but narrows his objectivity in
a universe full of possibilities imo.....

[truth4me]

Well I believe humans have been involved with ET's from day one....

[sigma6]

hey, this is turning into an interesting discussion for a change... lol... Onawah, I didn't mean to suggest someone would willingly sacrifice themselves. Just saying that is a potential "dark side". And I don't agree anyone should remain anonymous. It's all risk, but I think if they moved into the public limelight and maintained a growing public presence, and if they reached the point where their knowledge was in the open, on the table and duplicatable, then that would in fact remove a lot of the motivation to kill that individual.

The question still gets back to the real sacrifice, and I don't see it really as a sacrifice at all. If I had the "secret" to an overunity device, there would be so many different ways to make money, the sky would be the limit! And even if it got out into the "market" and others dove in, well that would be exactly what I would want! No one company can manufacture all the cars that the world needs, it's just greed and profit motive that would motivate someone to not to share this technology. And that greed and profit motive is how the Big money has been controlling us since day 1. Beside if I was the originator, I should be able to compete myself! and with the greatest advantage... So this shows me an inherent weakness in the thinking or "self image" of these so called "inventors" They are oblivious to the true dynamics of what is going on...

I do get vibes that Greer is controlling the politics around this and is trying to make money from it... (monkey with his hand stuck in the jar syndrome, but in his case, just more politically convoluted, but that is something that I feel from him... Like why doesn't he pick up the phone and give Keshe a call, for example? or Dollard? Why don't we see some collaboration there? I suspect because he knows that it would be difficult to control Keshe. But I also say shame on Keshe for not picking up the phone and calling Greer! I have seen this phenomena in the Commercial Redemption movement. "Gurus" DO HAVE EGOS... and they don't necessarily like working with other gurus at all... they would prefer to build their own teams of "followers" .. The loss is that their followers in 95% of cases will never equal what could be accomplished with someone on their own equal... another "guru"

It's a strange dynamic and counter intuitive, but I have seen it over and over and over... there really is a "guru" do it yourself ego mentality for better or for worse (it is for worse imo)

Another real by product of this "Guru" mentality besides their fear of ego conflict with each other. is because they are all so used to working on their own they have developed a specialized interpretation that the others would necessarily need to learn in order to understand each other. Since this is all self taught knowledge, the language to describe it is often specific to the personality of the "inventor". Still I believe the best people to take this leap would be other gurus!!! Anyhow I do see this as a real logistical problem there. Gurus are literally too busy working on their own research to consider studying their "competition" unless it directly overlaps into their "area" of research...

[Davidallany]

monitoring us but not interfering
I think that monitoring is a lower form of interfering, not on the physical but on the energetic level.

[Gil Carlson]

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[Atlas]

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[onawah]

Carmody sums it up very well here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69815-Plans-for-the-Quantum-Energy-Generator--QEG--were-released-today--March-25-2014-&p=827760&viewfull=1#post827760

There are literally groups of trained ops people waiting in the wings to discredit and knock off free energy researchers and their projects, and take their technology. Or to block it as they have it already. Trillions are at stake, and that idea of 'money'....is just one of the minor aspects. The money is nothing, it's a tool, a lever, a method of controlling things --nothing more. A greasy lever and manipulation tool, in the tool kit. The wiping out of entire countries is definitely ON THE TABLE. If that is the final solution it takes to block it, then that is what would happen. They would overrun an entire country, if necessary.

I'm not sure you understand the forces you are up against.

On one hand, we need people out there, in the public, dealing with this head on and in the public eye. To get the message OUT. So, ignorance is a blessing here, as then the word is spread around. Foot soldiers in a parade, marching off the cliff of doom and failure.

At the same time, we need serious efforts that are more clandestine, more sure of themselves, more secretive, and more widespread among people who understand that working with the system (science, physics, academia, media, etc) that is in place, is doomed to failure, as it has been failure, hundreds of times in hundreds of cases.

These things are not abstract idealism, to me. These are hard, known facts, based in viewing the field for decades, watching the flow, and slowly building up knowledge of what is really going on.

I'm talking about understanding that the idea and the technology was real, when I was 18 years old (started looking when I was 13 or so), and then 'interviewing' the subject, and watching it closely..compiling data and collating, researching...for ....+32 years.

If one wants to get possibly killed, but most definitely discredited, and torn down... then they can go ahead and be a foot-soldier in the strictly public face of this 'thing'. But that person will fail. They will be turned down and turned off via every possible method of control and integration with their boundaries and connections in life. The heat will be turned up slowly but as surely as the sun shines. No effort will be spared to make sure that happens, as it has in the hundreds of cases that came before.

One can do some small things quietly, but full scale free energy, in the public eye? No. it has to be slow, widespread, quiet, and as a takeover of the inside track. There will be no Teslas, no Einsteins, no big public heros in this war.

it is a dirty war, a quiet war, a severe war, of the most vicious, brutal, and conniving kind.

[Limor Wolf]

I believe it is worth posting Wes Penre's chapter 5, Level II on this thread -


5. Dr. Greer's Disclosure Project in a New 'Dark'

"Some of the most naive and misleading information regarding the UFO and alien phenomena is that which is coming from Dr. Steven Greer's Disclosure Project and Dr. Richard Boylan's ideas when comes to UFO disclosure. I mentioned this couple of times in 'Level I' as well. They try to make you think very one-sided. They want us to embrace all ETs out there as our space brothers, and that there are no 'negative' aliens in Earth Near Space right now.

Dr. Carol Rosin, Dr. Steven Greer's right hand in the Disclosure Project, said in an interview (now on YouTube), that if there were any negative aliens here they would have invaded a long time ago. When I heard that, I knew for a fact that she is either extremely naive or she is misleading us on purpose. After all, Dr. Rosin is an intelligent woman, but her statement is not. Why doesn't she take into account that the 'negative' aliens have been here since Homo sapiens (or Homo sapiens sapiens as Sitchin calls us) were created, and that's why there is a Global Elite? Doesn't it occur to her that so far, they haven't had any interest in invading us, because they already have us in their grip? She doesn't even mention this as a possibility. Red flag, red flag! Yes, she is talking about fake alien invasions, such as 'Project Blue Beam', where a holographic landing which is not real will take place to gather all humanity under one flag. That's as far as it gets when comes to negative ETs and invasions, she says. She then refers to the ex-Nazi scientist, Werner von Braun, whom she worked with until he died. Werner von Braun was transported from Nazi Germany after World War II in 'Project Paperclip' (please google this if it is unfamiliar to you) to secretly work for the U.S. government, who actually transported a lot of Nazi scientists to the U.S. at that time; one of them the notorious Dr. Joseph Mengele, one of the most evil men this world has seen in modern times. All of them were put on projects in their field of expertise to be able to develop secret space programs, mind control programs, and even expanding on the Nazi ability to build Flying Saucers. Dr. von Braun told his assistant, Carol Rosin, that the last card that will be pulled out from the sleeve of the Global Elite is the 'alien card'. With this he meant a fake alien invasion.

I am sure von Braun was right; Project Blue Beam is one of many projects that are still on the table. However, we must remember that within the secret government everything is told on a 'need to know basis'. If von Braun thought he knew it all, he was certainly deceiving himself. How about if the secret government is actually run by a malevolent ET race, and Project Blue Beam is a part of the whole scenario to bring the rest of their club to the table to ring in Bible Prophecies and other prophecies as well? What about if a holographic attack of an alien space armada is the front for something much more sinister? Who says that an invading alien force comes in spaceships? What I mean by this will be obvious after you have finished all the papers in 'Level II'.

Also, the 5,000 witnesses Dr. Greer put on the stand more than 10 years ago all worked for the government, or were ex-military, or ex-government, often in high places. I am not saying all these people were lying, but for all we know, Dr. Greer could have handpicked whom he wanted on the stand (which has showed to be the case, according to a few whistle-blowers who have come forward and were not allowed to be among the witnesses, because they had a more sober view on their experiences with ETs), and secondly, who knows they are EX-military and government?

The ET craft the witnesses saw were probably either built on Earth, but somewhere within the solar system, both by ETs and the Shadow Government, by people who have a much higher clearance than any of the witnesses. And the ETs that the witnesses saw were either mocking themselves up as such with the purpose to be seen, or they put themselves in the head of the beholder and manipulated them to see something that never happened. If people only knew what kind of technology these ET races have and what an Interdimensional ET is capable of even without technology. To understand this, we have to think outside our 3-D reality. We will go into this much more soon, but I want to say that even these 5,000 witnesses did not necessarily see what they thought they saw. They saw what the ETs (and in some cases, the human government) wanted them to see. Bottom line is this: there is no benevolent ET race working with the U.S. government, or any government else that I know of, for that matter. Moreover, many of the craft these witnesses have seen are not alien craft, but government craft. Our own technology is way ahead of what has been released to the public. And lastly (for now), there is a lot of mind control going on within the government and the military; many test programs to prepare for the future. Dr. Rosin speaks of Project Blue Beam, but it doesn't dawn to her that the same technology that would be used in such a project was also used on some of the 5,000 witnesses. The government is testing holographic technologies on their own staff to see how they will react. For example: how would a good-hearted employee react if he saw a seemingly friendly ET being shot by his superiors? That is behavior modification and behavior research. In fact, the 'alien' that was 'killed' could very well have been a hologram, or perhaps someone not so much alien after all? We know that they have excellent technology which can fool anyone, and which has been given to us in Technology Transfer Programs (TTP[def]) between ETs and the governments of the world. We let them abduct humans in exchange for technology. This fact is well documented.

When I contacted Dr. Greer's staff shortly after they'd released the Disclosure Interviews in 2001 and mentioned that there are 'negative' aliens as well as positive, I was met with antagonism and resentment. I found this response quite odd. But remember that Greer gets much of his funding from a faction of the Rockefeller family. This can be easily verified, because Greer doesn't make any secret of it. So again, by not acknowledging the dark side of the UFO phenomenon, we are doing mankind a huge disfavor, and projects like Disclosure and Orion can be right-out dangerous. "



Blessings ~

Limor

[Ron Mauer Sr]

My internal guidance system feels very uncomfortable being near Dr. Greer.

We met at Gold’s Gym in Charlottesville VA a few years ago. When I asked Dr. Greer a question about reptilians, he immediately dismissed it as if it were about a delusional and imaginary subject. But he was more interested in talking with two lady friends who were with me.

[Flash]

From Ron talking about him meeting Dr Greer: But he was more interested in talking with two lady friends who were with me.

ROLF: Dr Greer's reptilian side showed up with the ladies. Can't resist being an Alpha male taking advantage of the situation. lolllllllll

[Jake]

Greers entire premice is based on interstellar, (speed of light barrier) physics,, and our being blind to hyper dimensional physics.. Wheras it is true that MOST people still see particles and matter,, it will be true that MOST people will not understand the 'big words' that Greer throws around..

What of latent ability, dimensional travel? I have been to the dark side of the moon.. Even beyond.. I did not notice any group of ET trying to convince me that it isn't possible. Lol... (only humans)

once, I was held paralyzed by 3 ET spooks that caused great menacing fear, then fed from it. They had absolutely ZERO empathy.. I wonder where Greers supposed 'alien police' were then..

I will not be put back into the dark ages of particle physics. To take deeply flawed, human (speed of light) physics and assume that every ET race has agreed on a rule set,, is fantasy and fairy tale..

To tell folks that there is nothing to worry about in the cosmos, (unless we grow up) would be like telling your kids that it is okay to go play in the freeway, as long as you eat your vegetables.

"Yes, you are a good boy, now go play with a rattle snake..." I smell rats in the kitchen..

Particle physics and physicality are simply Points Of View,, they do not tell the whole story... Non physical, inter dimensional travel is reality,, regardless of Greers take on 'speed of light' physics...

All interpretations of 'physicality' have points of origin that are not physical.. The entire multi verse is 'Quantum Entangled'.. Wrap yer brain around that, then tell me why we still embrace cave man physics....



To Stephen Greer,, "Nobody who says that 'it can't be done',, should ever interrupt someone who is ACTUALLY DOING IT..."

Jake

[Limor Wolf]

A lot has been said about Dr Greer, the beginning of his UFo career with what seemed to be the well intentioned disclosure project and the way it took turn and unfold later on, and this post may not even be about Greer himself, but about the general atmosphere that is surrounding our prescious planet earth, so this testimony by Christine Joanna Hart is just a reflection of a whole other worldly agenda of complete take over, done via our human agreement of inviting enrgies in for the sake of enslavement, which leaves us in need for real discernement to who are we opening our physical, mental and spiritual doors and to what type of energies we like to bring in, ALLOWING is the word, and some new considerations are needed

This goes in with the way the conversation has developed on this thread

(From 04:05 - 11:10)

Bases 50- Miles Johanston


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSIguv6EM0w
Many blessings ~

Limor'