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Operator
24th April 2014, 16:34
Man kills 1,626 people
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Former U.S. drone pilot Brandon Bryant and his team killed a total of 1,626 people with unmanned drones. After six years, he quit this job because he no longer could handle it. Bryant told six months ago for the first time his story, but even now he still is not comfortable with it.
'' I'll never be the same,'' he said Thursday in NRC Handelsblad. '' People should hate me for what I did not respect that I quit.''
Whether Bryant has slain innocent people he does not know. "We did not know if we killed the right people, we relied only on the information we received."
For a salary of $ 22,000 per year, he stared eleven and a half hours per day at fourteen screens. Meanwhile, he received orders from higher up that he had to perform with the drones.
Bonus
When Bryant announced that he would stop this work, the Americans offered him a bonus of $ 100,000. They wanted to keep him in the organization, but Bryant said no.
"America would be an example country, the country of law and democracy. But the world is not supposed to see it like I've seen it.''
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/22547488/__Man_doodt_1.626_mensen__.html
translated by Google with slight manual corrections.
Bryant was mentioned before, already in this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=601489&viewfull=1#post601489) post of 18th December 2012 by Houman.
Perhaps this guy is now ready to open this area a little bit more.
Tesla_WTC_Solution
24th April 2014, 18:46
I feel really sorry for that guy.
I was AF and know it could have happened to just about anyone who's good with a joystick.
We were raised on that **** -- he shouldn't apologize, he did the right thing, quitting and telling the truth...
poor guy hope he forgives himself someday.
bogeyman
24th April 2014, 18:52
Those that push the atomic bomb did a lot more so what's that problem live is cheap.
Tesla_WTC_Solution
24th April 2014, 19:58
I really hate nukes :( as much as Judas Priest and Ozzy lol
my grandfather was a nuclear maintenance troop in the AF.
he went thru hell for this country.
IMO he paid for our generation's freedom of speech,
screw the overlords.... time to break free.
ghostrider
24th April 2014, 22:26
the American government allowed pearl harbor to happen so they could test their atomic bombs on live targets , cities with people ... it is sick , and now using drones , someone at a screen gets a name or a grid number and executes a person without a trial , without a jury , without proof , all from some spook agency ... I would imagine some people were targets simply from what they know about the black ops folks and their dirty deeds ...the drone usage is just damage control ... It would be great if NO PERSON was willing to kill another with drones , say no to the joystick ... lets go back to the Roman days , you have a beef with someone , go in the arena grab a sword and shield and let the games begin , and if Politicians want to go to war with another country let them be in the front with a weapon in THEIR HAND , let them fight the first battle, let them draw first blood ...
Tesseract
24th April 2014, 23:27
$22000/yr for six years --> $132000.
$132000/1626 lives = $81 per life. Even the most unscrupulous hit man would place more value on human life than that. Send this SOB to prison, along with the rest of the swine.
Atlas
25th April 2014, 00:17
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During the course of his career, Bryant says, many targets of U.S. drone strikes evolved their tactics, particularly in the handling of cell phones.
“They’ve gotten really smart now and they don’t make the same mistakes as they used to,” he says. “They’d get rid of the SIM card and they’d get a new phone, or they’d put the SIM card in the new phone.”
“I don’t know who we worked with,” Bryant says. “We were never privy to that sort of information. If the NSA did work with us, like, I have no clue.”
He says that when flying missions, he sometimes felt himself merging with the technology, imagining himself as a robot, a zombie, a drone itself.
http://www.gq.com/news-politics/big-issues/201311/drone-uav-pilot-assassination?currentPage=5
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A former JSOC’s High Value Targeting task force drone operator agreed to discuss the top-secret programs on the condition of anonymity:
One problem, he explains, is that targets are increasingly aware of the NSA’s reliance on geolocating, and have moved to thwart the tactic. Some have as many as 16 different SIM cards associated with their identity within the High Value Target system. Others, unaware that their mobile phone is being targeted, lend their phone, with the SIM card in it, to friends, children, spouses and family members.
Some top Taliban leaders, knowing of the NSA’s targeting method, have purposely and randomly distributed SIM cards among their units in order to elude their trackers. “They would do things like go to meetings, take all their SIM cards out, put them in a bag, mix them up, and everybody gets a different SIM card when they leave,” the former drone operator says. “That’s how they confuse us.”
As a result, even when the agency correctly identifies and targets a SIM card belonging to a terror suspect, the phone may actually be carried by someone else, who is then killed in a strike. According to the former drone operator, the geolocation cells at the NSA that run the tracking program – known as Geo Cell –sometimes facilitate strikes without knowing whether the individual in possession of a tracked cell phone or SIM card is in fact the intended target of the strike.
“Once the bomb lands or a night raid happens, you know that phone is there,” he says. “But we don’t know who’s behind it, who’s holding it. It’s of course assumed that the phone belongs to a human being who is nefarious and considered an ‘unlawful enemy combatant.’ This is where it gets very shady.”
The former drone operator also says that he personally participated in drone strikes where the identity of the target was known, but other unknown people nearby were also killed.
“They might have been terrorists,” he says. “Or they could have been family members who have nothing to do with the target’s activities.”
What’s more, he adds, the NSA often locates drone targets by analyzing the activity of a SIM card, rather than the actual content of the calls. Based on his experience, he has come to believe that the drone program amounts to little more than death by unreliable metadata.
“People get hung up that there’s a targeted list of people,” he says. “It’s really like we’re targeting a cell phone. We’re not going after people – we’re going after their phones, in the hopes that the person on the other end of that missile is the bad guy.”
The former JSOC drone operator estimates that the overwhelming majority of high-value target operations he worked on in Afghanistan relied on signals intelligence, known as SIGINT, based on the NSA’s phone-tracking technology.
“Everything they turned into a kinetic strike or a night raid was almost 90 percent that,” he says. “You could tell, because you’d go back to the mission reports and it will say ‘this mission was triggered by SIGINT,’ which means it was triggered by a geolocation cell.”
In fact, as the former JSOC drone operator recounts, tracking people by metadata and then killing them by SIM card is inherently flawed. The NSA “will develop a pattern,” he says, “where they understand that this is what this person’s voice sounds like, this is who his friends are, this is who his commander is, this is who his subordinates are. And they put them into a matrix. But it’s not always correct. There’s a lot of human error in that.”
The NSA geolocation system used by JSOC is known by the code name GILGAMESH. Under the program, a specially constructed device is attached to the drone. As the drone circles, the device locates the SIM card or handset that the military believes is used by the target.
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As the former drone operator explains, the process of tracking and ultimately killing a targeted person is known within the military as F3: Find, Fix, Finish. “Since there’s almost zero HUMINT (human intelligence) operations in Yemen – at least involving JSOC – every one of their strikes relies on signals and imagery for confirmation: signals being the cell phone lock, which is the ‘find’ and imagery being the ‘unblinking eye’ which is the ‘fix.’” The “finish” is the strike itself.
Within the NSA, a motto quickly caught on at Geo Cell: ‘We Track ’Em, You Whack ’Em.’
President Obama signs authorizations for “hits” that remain valid for 60 days. If a target cannot be located within that period, it must be reviewed and renewed. According to the former drone operator, it can take 18 months or longer to move from intelligence gathering to getting approval to actually carrying out a strike in Yemen. “What that tells me,” he says, “is that commanders, once given the authorization needed to strike, are more likely to strike when they see an opportunity – even if there’s a high chance of civilians being killed, too – because in their mind they might never get the chance to strike that target again.”
In addition to the GILGAMESH system used by JSOC, the CIA uses a similar NSA platform known as SHENANIGANS. The operation – previously undisclosed – utilizes a pod on aircraft that vacuums up massive amounts of data from any wireless routers, computers, smart phones or other electronic devices that are within range.
One top-secret NSA document provided by Snowden is written by a SHENANIGANS operator who documents his March 2012 deployment to Oman, where the CIA has established a drone base. The operator describes how, from almost four miles in the air, he searched for communications devices believed to be used by Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in neighboring Yemen.The mission was code named VICTORYDANCE.
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The first strike in the country known to be authorized by Obama targeted an alleged Al Qaeda camp in the southern village of al-Majala.
The strike, which included the use of cluster bombs, resulted in the deaths of 14 women and 21 children. It is not clear whether the strike was based on metadata collection; the White House has never publicly explained the strike or the source of the faulty intelligence that led to the civilian fatalities.
According to Bryant, the NSA’s expanded role in Yemen has only added to what he sees as the risk of fatal errors already evident in CIA operations. “They’re very non-discriminate with how they do things, as far as you can see their actions over in Pakistan and the devastation that they’ve had there,” Bryant says about the CIA. “It feels like they tried to bring those same tactics they used over in Pakistan down to Yemen. It’s a repeat of tactical thinking, instead of intelligent thinking.”
Those within the system understand that the government’s targeting tactics are fundamentally flawed. According to the former JSOC drone operator, instructors who oversee GILGAMESH training emphasize: “‘This isn’t a science. This is an art.’ It’s kind of a way of saying that it’s not perfect.”
The government’s assassination program is actually constructed, he adds, to avoid self-correction. “They make rushed decisions and are often wrong in their assessments. They jump to conclusions and there is no going back to correct mistakes.” Because there is an ever-increasing demand for more targets to be added to the kill list, he says, the mentality is “just keep feeding the beast.”
“I don’t know whether or not President Obama would be comfortable approving the drone strikes if he knew the potential for mistakes that are there,” he says. “All he knows is what he’s told.”
Whether or not Obama is fully aware of the errors built into the program of targeted assassination, he and his top advisors have repeatedly made clear that the president himself directly oversees the drone operation and takes full responsibility for it. Obama once reportedly told his aides that it “turns out I’m really good at killing people.”
The president added, “Didn’t know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine.”
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/02/10/the-nsas-secret-role/
Operator
25th April 2014, 00:27
the American government allowed pearl harbor to happen so they could test their atomic bombs on live targets , cities with people ...
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Pearl Harbor was in 1942 ... when I check the timeline of nuclear arms development they wouldn't have had a clue about
the usability of nuclear weapons. Besides, I think there is some persistent rumor that the bombs were stolen out of
Germany ... so ... I agree however that they wanted to get involved in the war in general.
Tesla_WTC_Solution
25th April 2014, 06:39
$22000/yr for six years --> $132000.
$132000/1626 lives = $81 per life. Even the most unscrupulous hit man would place more value on human life than that. Send this SOB to prison, along with the rest of the swine.
The people who give the orders really ought to be first in line for their 12 feet of rope.
IMO :(
Also whoever took the "don't shoot folks in the back" out of the AF manual (geneva conventions seems missing?) needs to get it too, unless I just couldn't find the right section.
They revised the manual when I was in the service and I wasn't able to quickly locate the Geneva conventions rules about fair combat.
sigma6
27th April 2014, 09:09
He had to count to 1,600 before he started to realize he was just killing people for a living, and that it was wrong? OK... I will give him credit for not taking the $100,000.
That says something about the earnestness of his change of heart... a $22,000 salary guy turning down $100,000 ... that speaks very loudly...
sigma6
10th May 2014, 06:35
$22000/yr for six years --> $132000.
$132000/1626 lives = $81 per life. Even the most unscrupulous hit man would place more value on human life than that. Send this SOB to prison, along with the rest of the swine.
The people who give the orders really ought to be first in line for their 12 feet of rope.
IMO :(
Also whoever took the "don't shoot folks in the back" out of the AF manual (geneva conventions seems missing?) needs to get it too, unless I just couldn't find the right section.
They revised the manual when I was in the service and I wasn't able to quickly locate the Geneva conventions rules about fair combat.
That's the joke, do you see how they set you up to trip and fall into it? There is no "fair way" to kill anyone. But once you accept that sneaky premise "built in" to the document. You are already compromised...
Tesla_WTC_Solution
10th May 2014, 08:53
$22000/yr for six years --> $132000.
$132000/1626 lives = $81 per life. Even the most unscrupulous hit man would place more value on human life than that. Send this SOB to prison, along with the rest of the swine.
The people who give the orders really ought to be first in line for their 12 feet of rope.
IMO :(
Also whoever took the "don't shoot folks in the back" out of the AF manual (geneva conventions seems missing?) needs to get it too, unless I just couldn't find the right section.
They revised the manual when I was in the service and I wasn't able to quickly locate the Geneva conventions rules about fair combat.
That's the joke, do you see how they set you up to trip and fall into it? There is no "fair way" to kill anyone. But once you accept that sneaky premise "built in" to the document. You are already compromised...
the idea is that civilians and noncombatants don't get shot.
and that people ****ting their pants running away don't get shot.
only willing combatants should be shot, snipers, etc. guards
not people with their hands up, children, dogs... etc camels
it's pretty simple honestly. but word games can make it seem hard. :sing:
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