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bogeyman
27th April 2014, 18:09
I have been trying for over 15 months to obtain some unclassified and classified information from N/J3 Operations Directorate.

I have been provided with contradictory, obfuscation and down right inaccurate information from the public affairs office. I have now obtained 3 documents from US Northern Command, which are applicable to NORAD and USNORTHCOM, all three are mandatory, and it seems they have violated these instructions which are applicable to all USNORTHCOM/NORAD personnel.

I was told the information I requested is on a Canadian system and to file a Access to Information Act Request which is only applicable to Canadian citizens. Further NORAD is a bi national organisation and neither are applicable to NORAD so this is a contradiction. Also the Instructions I have obtained provide a way to ask them for the documents in question as a public and there is no need to go through the FOIA or ATIA.

The information I requested was concerning the intercept procedures of tracks detected in the North American continent and those pertaining to Tracks of Interest and Unknown Tracks. UTs are classified but can be redacted according to USNORTHCOM, and they do equate to UFOs according to a NORAD letter from the 1990s.

They have tried every tactic to prevent accessing their records. The last time the Instructions I am after were released were in 1996 since then nothing has been brought out. I find it surprising the lack of interest in what is going on in the skies of Alaska, USA and Canada, and I would of thought since 9/11 it would of been the opposite.

Latti
27th April 2014, 19:00
9/11 was a false flag to get us involved in the Middle East and limit freedoms within the USA.

Tesla_WTC_Solution
27th April 2014, 19:03
That is very concerning. Once while reading about the consolidation of US and Canadian AF Command, I was also gravely concerned about what this might mean.
At the time, I wondered how two heads on one hydra makes for a faster air force. I was not wise enough to anticipate the FOIA "blackout" enabled by this Authority Pong these entities are engaged in.

Thank you for being brave and voicing your concerns on this subject.
I am not sure whether I left the Air Force before or after reading about joint command, but it certainly lessened my personal desire to be part of it.
It's not really possible to be a Nationalist American, even if that was a good thing and not a bad thing.

Because we are whored out to everyone we used to fight against.

bogeyman
27th April 2014, 20:16
I will say according to the ATIA the records must be under the control of a government institution, NJ3 is a NORAD entity and the system where the records are kept are under NJ3 Operations Directorate, so it seems from the official instructions and manuals the records should be accessible since it is a NORAD entity.

Any way there is a way of accessing the information without needing a FOIA or ATIA request. The Office of the Secretary of Defense has confirmed NORAD has the records as a part of tracking reporting, and it seems the systems are under the control of J3 so how can it be under the control of a Canadian institute when it is apart of NORAD a bi national organisation.

bogeyman
6th August 2014, 16:56
I have attempted many times over the last several months to get answers to specific questions from NORAD public affairs. Many of the officers and other answering the phone have no idea about how to access their records or to whom one has to file a request to. I had to file a request to USNORTHCOM to obtain two joint instructions which gives some details on how to access their records, both are mandatory. Yet many of those, if not all are not aware of these instructions. Further it does not provide a specific reference as to whom to file requests to.

The records I request are on what USNORTHCOM and NORAD have described as a "Canadian system" yet the component of NJ3 Operations Directorate is under the purview of that directorate and it is a NORAD entity according to a mission directive. There are seemly three ways to access information from NORAD, FOIA (USNORTHCOM (and only if it is on a USG system or duel systems), ATIA (only if your a Canadian citizen and is under the control of the Canadian authorities) and what the instructions have stated are requests "out side" FOIA channels. It begs the question why are incidents over Alaska and the United States on a foreign system? Also the ATIA only is applicable to those institutes under the control of a Canadian authority. NORAD is bi national and neither the FOIA nor ATIA is applicable. I have been told a few times to file a ATIA request yet it may only yield records of incidents over Canada and may not apply to US or Alaskan regions since that information is from a foreign power. It is no wonder virtual nothing has come out of NORAD is near 20 years and very little on Unknown Tracks and other tracks detected by their systems. So the game continues.