Validity of underground bases and tunnels in particular.

[Ross]

As many here have researched underground bases and tunnelling systems from many sources, Phil Schnider comes to mind, have raised some questions.

The monumental task involved in these constructions need looking at. Phil, from memory said they used high tech laser cutting equipment allowing them to carve through enormous amounts of rock, liquefying material along the way, I cannot remember all the details…

Here is an example of known methods of tunnelling as detailed with the newly connected Swiss tunnel.

SEDRUN , Switzerland.

A giant drilling machine punched its way through a final section of Alpine rock on Friday to complete the world's longest tunnel, after 15 years of sometimes lethal construction work.

15 years, 2500 workers. Cost so far estimated at 15 Billion.

The 57 kilometre highspeed rail link, which will open in 2017, will form the lynchpin of a new rail network between northern and southeastern Europe and help ease congestion and pollution in the Swiss Alps.
It is the third tunnel to be built through the snowbound St Gotthard area but it is much the longest and three kilometres longer than a rail link between two Japanese islands , the current record holder at 53.8-km . Passengers will ultimately be able to speed from the Italian city of Milan to Zurich in less than three hours and further north into Germany, cutting the journey time by an hour.

To see the work in progress, it is necessary to travel two kilometres underground, to the construction site between the southern Swiss towns of Faido and Biasca.

The scale of the work going on is enormous: 2,500 people are working on the tunnel, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Besides the two main railway tubes, the construction workers have to dig access tunnels for people and equipment.
Huge fans ensure a fresh supply of air and cool things down. Yet the temperature is above 30C.
"We've got two-and-a-half kilometres of Alps above us," explains engineer Albert Schmid. "That means millions and millions of cubic metres of earth pressing down on us, that increases the pressure and the temperature."

This above, gives us some idea as to what is involved with this type of engineering.

So…these alleged tunnels systems connecting many underground bases using high speed travel systems becomes hard to believe and worthy of discussion.

How on earth do you keep so many workers quiet, to sign disclosure agreements, years of construction, accidents, deaths along the way?

Regards

Ross.

[Dale]

I've wondered the same thing, myself.

Basic geology is quite clear in stating that the temperature of the Earth's crust begins to increase after around one mile, leading to some pretty steamy temperatures at depths of five or six miles. I've heard interviews where researchers, or whistleblowers, claimed to have worked in bases several miles deep, but I do wonder if that's even plausible, as the surrounding ground would be quite hot.

It's possible that there are alternative, high technologies being used; and it could also be possible that the bases are only about a mile or so deep; as even whistleblowers are subject to gossip and exaggeration.

As for the construction of these tunnels and bases, I would assume that most of the tunnels, and likely many of the bases, utilize preexisting cavernous sites. I'm a bit skeptical of claims of vast tunnels leading across the country and city-sized underground bases; but I wouldn't doubt there are some tunnel systems being used, possibly carved out of preexisting cave systems, and many underground bases in operation, likely not as large as a city, though.

[Ross]

The enormity of these type of constructions are baffling...

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Just my 2cents worth. With todays very sophisticated TBMs I would imagine tunnels are no longer a problem, not timewise nor financially. Look at the tube, subway systems under many major cities, the channel tunnel too, all civilian in nature but Military have edge on technology so large tunnels would prove very little problem. I know they exist but thats my personal statement, I cannot prove 100% to anyone else unless I took them to one.

[observer]

[....]So…these alleged tunnels systems connecting many underground bases using high speed travel systems becomes hard to believe and worthy of discussion.

How on earth do you keep so many workers quiet, to sign disclosure agreements, years of construction, accidents, deaths along the way?

Regards

Ross.

Ross,

One must keep in mind, the project in Switzerland, and other projects like it (the 'big dig' in Boston comes to mind) are all 'public works' projects. The cost of these projects is artificially kept high to further drive the Masses into 'financial slavery'.

In contrast, the 'black op' underground systems are all being created with a minimum of participants - in many cases with off-planet cooperation. When one has technology like the following, one needs little outside participation:

http://fredsitelive.com/images/post/tunnel_boring_machine_2.jpg

This is an actual photo of the nuclear powered tunneling 'shield' that Phil Schneider spoke of before his untimely death. This will melt the rock (deflagration) and plaster the walls of the tunnel with the residue. If I recall Phil said they can tunnel at a rate of several miles per day with this technology.

There is a big difference between what the public is allowed to 'see', and what secrets lay hidden behind the smoke-and-mirrors.

Thanks to Fredkc for first posting this photo to which I have used his original link in order to show it here.

[Ross]

one needs little outside participation:


agree on most points.

The tunnelling is one thing but the construction of bases, materials, wiring, systems of all kinds, is huge and would still require a large contingent of workers? If we knew the logisitics of this type of endevour and the silencing of said workers must be a mammoth undertaking...again baffling...to me anyway.

Regards

Ross

[jack]

I guess it seems when we look at these things with 21st century eyes that building thousands of miles worth of networked tunnels all around the world seems a little bit far fetched. But lets look at it in respect to the history of technology. Just ten years ago the most powerful computer on the market would be considered useless trash by todays standards. We've reached a huge peak in our technological advancement but the public never gets even a glimpse of that. Private corporations, the ones who have all the money, them guys have the means and the ways to create any kind of toy they want.

What we see in technology, is absolutely nothing to the true technology that is kept secret. When they started building things by the atom... I mean cmon, could you imagine the things you could create if you were working at the subatomic level.

Thats just some food for thought. Just like there is free energy technology thats been suppressed from us for a hundred years. It doesnt mean they stopped toying with that free energy technology by the way, they just kept it all to themselves and im sure they have refined it to a level that would seem utterly mindblowing to us everyday people. One of the biggest handicaps behind any great technological feat is power. You can call it manpower, electrical power, horsepower, it all comes down to one thing. Energy. They have energy so unlimited in scope and refined to such a level that we couldnt possibly imagine.

[kalimistik]

Ross has a point though regarding silencing the workforce that is used, which would have to be considerable even when you have an over unit energy source. Imagine all the miles of cable to be laid and ventilation, water piping and all the rest of it. A large workforce would definately be needed. Just a wild guess but maybe they have the tech to just grow clones at a super accelerated pace to use just for these kind of situations?

[Lost Soul]

Our gubmint is not sharing our secret tunneling machine and we hope that the one we have is as advance as the one the Russians probably have.

[ponda]

agree on most points.

The tunnelling is one thing but the construction of bases, materials, wiring, systems of all kinds, is huge and would still require a large contingent of workers? If we knew the logisitics of this type of endevour and the silencing of said workers must be a mammoth undertaking...again baffling...to me anyway.

Regards

Ross


Very valid point Ross

Why don't more people come forward with info about all of these black operatiions that have been and still are i imagine going on ? There have been a few people that have blown the whistle but not that many when you consider that there must of been literally thousands and thousands of people involved.This is one of the arguments that the 911,JFK etc debunkers use when confronted with the claim of government involvement.The same goes for insiders coming forward from supposed secret societies and hidden elite groups etc.....it virtually never happens.Why is this?

There must be a good reason for this but what could it be?

One possible reason could be that all of the workers and people involved are incredibly loyal and can keep a secret.This is possible but highly unlikely.

They were probably made to sign non-disclosure contracts and were paid good money.This is probable but still you would have to think that more people would of come forward regardless.

Some of them might of been under threat of violence or worse if they said anything.This is likely for some of them but you would think that it would not deter everyone.

So i suspect that there must be a deeper reason for the perpetual silence from the people involved.What are the possibilities ?

I suspect that the forces involved with the secret societies including the ones that involve occult practices and the forces involved with the black ops etc are connected.This connection would possibly also be at a higher level than and as well as 3d humans.This implies an alien involvement.

So how do they do it ? How do they keep everyone quiet ?

Well the possibilities might include implants,mind control,surveillance and monitoring etc.Also remember that if aliens are involved then they would most likely have advanced technology that could prevent people from speaking out.

I don't think that surveillance and monitoring would be sufficient enough unless they could get inside peoples heads and monitor and influence them 24/7 that way.It might be possible with their tech.This might imply some type of implant device that could passively control people through some type of mind control.To monitor so many people on a permanent basis for so long might imply something else besides an implant device.This might have to do with logging into peoples consciousness and watching/influencing them that way.They might not need an implant device for this but some type of tech that cold do it remotely.It might also be possible that there is a much higher dimensional being or beings involved that could monitor and influence large numbers of humans at the same time.This or these beings might also be in alliance with or influencing the lower dimensional aliens that might be involved.

Well it's all conjecture but if the secret societies,occult worshipers and black ops are all true then how do they keep it so quiet?That's a good question.

[Carmody]

Inside vs outside.

Inside the mob vs the outside.

Inside congress vs outside of it.

Inside the oil industry vs outside of it.

inside the prison system (guards/staff) vs outside of it.

Inside the Police and legal systems vs outside of it.

Inside the nuclear deterrent system vs outside of it.

Inside the military system vs outside of it.

Inside the CIA vs outside of it.

Inside the Federal Reserve vs outside of it.

Secrets can be kept....obviously. Well enough, at the least.

Now take that..and transpose it into the situation regarding tunnels, bases and what is inside of them....and have actual death squads (ready to go at a second's notice) that go out and make very pointed examples of those who break the silence. As well as actual alien intervention (regarding speaking out of class) and the weight of the whole alien situation. Add in the huge distance that being inside that system puts on a person, vs their being outside of it --and everyone else outside of it.

Now take all of the above situations and note that all we ever really get is hints. And as far as the sheer weight and power ready to go against anyone who should speak out or step out of line and..you end up where we are today, which is....Very little hard information.

You'd have to get a mob of a few thousand people .... Then get down in there ...and... force it, in an very overt fashion. Basically, do whatever it takes.

even then the reports would be highly edited and everyone would doubt it. The same way you have death camps right in the middle of countries. Nazi Germany. Or Pol Pot's death squads and killing fields. Too many lies, too much media control, too much spin. and too many people caught up in their little tiny worlds.

[Ross]

Thanks all,

Certainly does make one think of how they do it?

Ok, lets say there were/are several hundred, thousands even, workers doing their specialized work...we are talking of alleged hundreds-thousands of miles of construction. The people involved, are they single? married, in relationships? family members, friends and all that know these ppls...if mind control is being used that can mask over any oddities of their normal behaviour then thats some really powerful tech.

Same applies if severe methods of 'keep ya mouth shut or else' are used, and Im sure they do, you would think more than a tiny few would let something out of the bag? Im my experience with Human beings the most hardest thing for them to do is to keep silent...keep the trap shut, not tell the partner, not tell anyone...so...cloned workers, single, with no friends or interest in the 'above world' is a plausable 'way' of keeping it under wraps...?

Nasa and many other 'not what it seems' work places are deeply compartmentalized and easier to keep tabs on but these underground types of endevours are another story.

Perhaps when they leave and return to work they pass through some kind of 'memory wipe' and said memory is replaced with some viable story they can use to explain their day, week , months, years to others...along with their possible large paychecks.

Also Im not dismissing such things exist, I have other reasons to believe that these underground areas are real enough, but how do they do it?

Wheres the entrance? I want a 'look' see for myself...:p

Regards

Ross

[Operator]

Wheres the entrance? I want a 'look' see for myself...:p


Very healthy attitude Ross ... (maybe until you find one).
I wonder if this is the same thing as with NASA ... there is something to show to the public (Swiss tunnel) and we've another department with some real stuff ?

I don't know about the tunnels and bases, still an obscure subject. But with NASA we have more evidence/indication that based on the compartmentalization
they are capable of hiding things. In case of tunneling it would even be easier so I guess it's safe to say that there must be something.
But it remains speculation on how extensive these tunnel networks would be ...

[Ross]

Very healthy attitude Ross ... (maybe until you find one).

Anyone got a rep suit? a grey suit...must be at least big enough to fit 6 ft...fake ID...let me know;)

[xbusymom]

you may be forgetting the most obvious and well-established and proven method... our consent...

convince the workers that the compartmentalized "don't ask-don't tell" policy is best for the sheeples who CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH ... (give them extra privileges- treat them SPECIAL) and they will worship your brilliant ideas to save the masses from needless panic, chaos and personal ridicule because they don't want their pampered status to be taken away...

[ponda]

Carmody

Yes your inside/outside hypothesis makes sense.Most people would keep quiet for economic reasons and peer pressure.But as we have seen with wikileaks , people who speak out and disclose inside information in the military do it for moral reasons and they do it at the risk of imprisonment.Most people turn a blind eye but not all.

[Kari Lynn]

I watched a show about this particular tunneling machine. They were making a subway underground in a city. It didn't melt the sand or rock, but dug it out of the way, or pushed/packed it as it drilled, behind the machine they put concrete forms and bolted together in place to finish the tunnel.
The largest one that they showed, was 40 foot in diameter. Most that were used for subways were only about 20 or 30 foot though.


Basic geology is quite clear in stating that the temperature of the Earth's crust begins to increase after around one mile, leading to some pretty steamy temperatures at depths of five or six miles. I've heard interviews where researchers, or whistleblowers, claimed to have worked in bases several miles deep, but I do wonder if that's even plausible, as the surrounding ground would be quite hot.
Curious as to where you learned this, as I was 2 miles underground in an iron ore mine, and it wasn't hot. Typical cave temp of cooler than outside summer time air. (needed a jacket)
Learned for scouting project 2 weeks ago (for geology badge, lol)
That the crust is 65 miles thick, beneath the tectonic plates is the molten lava. (can't remember how many miles thick that is.) then the outer core starts to solidify again, and the inner core is supposed to be solid Iron. Which is how, they say, our Earth gets its magnetism.

[bettye198]

John Lear gave an interview with Camelot; a 2008 interview just released. He made the claim that the story about Phil Schneider and the shoot out underground was a completely different story. Something about rules around the Zeta's they establish. A meeting/seminar was going on with the Zeta's and it was known that no weapons would be in their proximity or the Greys would make the humans pay a price. The story goes that a messenger came in urgently and still had a gun/weapon on his person and all hell broke loose. 60 humans dead. zero Zetas. :sad:

[Luke]

Curious as to where you learned this, as I was 2 miles underground in an iron ore mine, and it wasn't hot. Typical cave temp of cooler than outside summer time air. (needed a jacket)
Learned for scouting project 2 weeks ago (for geology badge, lol)
That the crust is 65 miles thick, beneath the tectonic plates is the molten lava. (can't remember how many miles thick that is.) then the outer core starts to solidify again, and the inner core is supposed to be solid Iron. Which is how, they say, our Earth gets its magnetism.
As presented here: The Temperature Of The Earth As Shown By Deep Mines (http://chestofbooks.com/crafts/scientific-american/sup3/The-Temperature-Of-The-Earth-As-Shown-By-Deep-Mines.html) temperature rise is not uniform. There are very hot deep mines, but also those, in which temperature falls back. This is because crust is not uniform.
As for thickness:

The oceanic crust is 5 km (3 mi) to 10 km (6 mi) thick[1] and is composed primarily of basalt, diabase, and gabbro. The continental crust is typically from 30 km (20 mi) to 50 km (30 mi) thick, and is mostly composed of slightly less dense rocks than those of the oceanic crust source: Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crust_%28geology%29)
Then there is upper mantle, but it's semi-liquid.
As for core "common knowledge" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_of_the_Earth#Core) says its iron because "this is only way we could have magnetic field" ... but only liquid outer core is proven (via studying seismic waves), rest is model. One need to add that we have planets and moons too light to have iron core , yet having strong magnetic field. That questions validity of "our core is iron" theory.

From what I gather from many reports, it seem to me that technologies employed in deep bases are beyond our understanding matter and space .. just to mention walking one corridor in California (IIRC) and ending up in Pine Gap, just to quote one witness.

[Ross]

Here are parts of Phils lectures..as a refresher,

"They have been building these 129 bases day and night, unceasingly, since the early 1940's. Some of them were built even earlier than that. These bases are basically large cities underground connected by high-speed magneto-leviton trains that have speeds up to Mach 2. Several books have been written about this activity. Al Bielek has my only copy of one of them. Richard Souder, a Ph.D architect*, has risked his life by talking about this. He worked with a number of government agencies on deep underground military bases. In around where you live, in Idaho, there are 11 of them.


"The average depth of these bases is over a mile, and they again are basically whole cities underground. They all are between 2.66 and 4.25 cubic miles in size. They have laser drilling machines that can drill a tunnel seven miles long in one day. The Black Projects sidestep the authority of Congress, which as we know is illegal. Right now, the New World Order is depending on these bases. If I had known at the time I was working on them that the NWO was involved, I would not have done it. I was lied to rather extensively.

Ok...so this info was released around 1995...15 years ago. If this info is correct then what do they now have?

Regards

Ross

[Luke]

(...)
Ok...so this info was released around 1995...15 years ago. If this info is correct then what do they now have?
(...)
This is very important question.
We take progress as something given. We did not expect long periods of stagnation or even going back.
Point is, if the Black Project World could stimulate real progress, that usually needs unbridled competition of many individuals to occur? Germans did that, by dismantling all normally uccuring blocks, like patents or science community "experts" (interested in status quo), but replacing them with party official whims. Russians we not capable of real progress at all- they refined concepts acquired by other means - they could order people to count but not to think, still they became pretty good at that.
Black World seemed to be infused with exotic tech from day one, but that was that: transplantation of ideas that originated somewhere else. Were they capable of creating completely new science needed for such tech? Or are they just refining and exploring handouts from handlers, whoever they are?

As for origins of bases: It seems obvious stage one was designed under pretence of creating safe "vaults" in case of nuclear war. Guess with level of scare, contractors bought that. Still, no real exotics can be employed when contractors were around.

On the other hand, such great earthworks need excavating enormous amount of rock material. Where do they dumped that? Even if tey vaporize the rock, they then need to vent out gasses somewhere, lots of them. "Old Faithful" do not cut it :P
Laser drills would need giant amount of energy to evaporate rocks. Think terawatts, or to visualise better: 250KT atomic bomb every second or even more No conventional reactor can provide that, meaning whole setup is deep black OR is just clever way to disguise real tech behind it. After all, you will expect any instantaneous travel scheme to be rather closely guarded secret, most of the workers would believe in purely material explanations, after all such laser drills were introduced to popular mind, and question of energy powering them is conveniently glossed over.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Yes I see where you're coming from Ross...The sheer size of these works carried out and to keep them hidden from us is a huge task in itself...

I suppose they are past masters at this ... just think what they have kept from us over the years...we live a 'lie' every day!!

Whilst we are busy stuck in this existance all trying to make ends meet... they keep us at bay 'full time'

Found these links that might be of interest...

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/war/news.php?q=f263ce3b6c0b6d3bc0f37d2abc2220bf

http://www.think-aboutit.com/under.htm

viking

[Carmody]

The propulsion system for a UFO is used, at close range, the rock would be dissolved and removed dimensionally. This system would need high current, which would explain the Nuclear reactor. It would also create extreme heat in the adjacent materials, as those would not be subject to full and proper dimensional shifting/dissolution. Thus the walls would then be 'solidified'. Basically a high current burrowing UFO anti-gravity/temporal/dimensional engine on the front of the tunnel burrower. The wave itself would be created by something that would indeed look a lot like lasers in the visual result, but in this case be a pair of electromagnetic wide beams with the appearance of a high level of visible light output. The beams would be phased (lensed) so that the edging (lensing) of the intersecting beam system would not be perfect and thus excess energies in the not properly dissolved rocks at the edges of the fuzz of the beams' intersect would create the wall melt and subsequent solidification. This being a singular purpose device and the anti-gravity effects not really needing to be there... then a single phased and controlled beam would do the trick.

This is the perfected version of what we have seen in John Hutchison's attempts at matter manipulation.

Recall the stories of the similar based 'particle weapon' that uses two side-by-side beams (think double barreled shotgun in snout appearance, possibly) that when fired, would cause nearly square miles of ice to freeze. Another version of it, it is, and it is 'man portable'.

There are stories of a similar weapon being 'live tested' in Iraq, on people and objects. People were shrunk, set on fire, exploded, metals crushed, powdered, shrunk. Basically a particle beam weapon that does dimensional damage.

If you can have an astral body, have premonitions, and ghosts can cause electrical systems to malfunction and you can 'remote view', etc, etc...then this same dimensional energy can be manipulated. It is a case of using resonant energies in a polarized fashion to 'gate and control', like a giant transistor of a 'shape charged - controlled hose' of the very fabric of reality...in a very gross or 'blunt force' manner.

It is all the same thing and the same science. Essentially.

The particle weapon burrower/tunneler (based on the physics of UFO flight systems), if it had a time line of introduction, would probably be the early 80's, late 70's. Just a guess. This would be the same technology as the lifting pad devices seen on the man-made triangular craft.

Every field of physics, every science, every field of engineering we have today is hitting the limits of Newtonian physics and the limits of the existing quantum theories and every science is running headlong into the areas that they are trying to keep under control.

Everything we are doing these days is quantum, resonant, polarized, nano and molecular clump sized, laser control of single atoms, superdeformed atoms, dimensional theories, etc, etc. We are on the edge of bursting into these controlled areas and when it hits it will be like a a cross between a dam and a balloon bursting..a giant dam/balloon full of soon to be very angry bees made up of US..as we are the ones that have been slighted and lied to for the past 60 years. This is only the current cycle of lies, not the full scope of it. Merely the point at which the PTB have finally taken a shot at running well ahead of us technologically ---and we are on the verge of catching them at it, as more -and more -and more of public science begins to bang up against their erected limits in all areas of physics, math, technology, and engineering.

This is the why of the hammer coming down on us with regard to dumbing down and population control via deadly foods, deadly environments, the wrecking of economies, the forcing into remaining in fear and ignorance of the public.. and the PTB desire to cull the population so drastically and so imminently.

We are on the verge of technologically realizing the face of the truth.

Which is why the free energy field is so tightly watched and why so many people in that field, the entrepreneurs, the inventors the backyard creators..are all dying, all being killed, their existences being erased from the record. The PTB and those involved in the deepest aspects of these projects, they put watchdogs on the various internet discussion forums, the technological ones. So they can deflect the issues at the root sources, and watch closely. We know they do it in the political arenas, and the security front, and the UFO front, they also do it on the technological front.

The last, the technological front... being their most heavily watched and monitored. High level technology that is figured out by the common man in his backyard or home brew laboratory... creates instant reality and proofs, which can and would spread quickly...which is why it is subject to the most scrutiny and the most intense suppression and violence toward the inventors.

example: http://www.overunity.de/

If you announce that you have invented a free energy device and the basics (of the science) that you allude to seem consistent with the existing known parameters of where this is going to (to even do it in a private emailing list), I can pretty well assure you that you will know the face of this overall group within 48 hours (semi-obvious observation). Or less.

[noxon medem]

How could "they" manage to keep such huge, resource-consuming enterprise a secret to the common man ?
- A lot can be done by a few technicians and robotic, mechanich and advanced technological machinery.
Silencing the workers is a matter of requiting the suitable ones, give them a convincing story of the mighty
importance of their work and keeping it secret, even making them sign and sware to obey to that.

If someone, like the honorable Phil Schneider comes forward, they make sure all know there is a risk.
Of ridicule, threats, sabotage and accident. Economic and social setbacks. Concern for family.
These workers know to balance risk and benefit. What can they gain from coming forward with their stories ?
If they can find a chanel for it at all. That in itself is enough to silence most.
- And the rest look for other possibilities and ways to express.
( And now, through (and thanks to ) projects like Camelot and Avalon, they have the possibility and backing.)

Personaly I find Phil Schneider to be a credible witness.
- here some videos, this one from may 1995:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8180572860678943465#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8180572860678943465#

- Could he be subject to mind manipulation, and false memories ?
If what he, and others, say is true, and there is so advanced technologies, then Yes of course it could happen.
I don't know, and he seems genuine to me.

Here the last known recording of him giving a lecture,
november 1995 ( intro text is a bit informative, and a bit over the top, like Phil )


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9042499324182317197#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9042499324182317197#

- some related video google search results:
http://www.google.com/search?q=phil+schneider&tbo=p&tbs=vid%3A1&source=vgc&aq=f

Another suggestion on the subject:
- What if chinese labour is used, for this as so much else, or some other foreign workforce ?
These would have little idea what they are part of, allmost no way to communicate their experiences to
anyone in the western world, and if they were to go home after the project, it is to a remote village, far
from everything we ever get to know.

Interesting to speculate about this, if we assume the underground structures realy exist,
- and is that large and so technicaly advanced.

Funny, how it seems like all the best, and most, of the resources
are used down in the ground or up in the sky.
- According to story.
Just not here, on the surface, in the middle.

[Fredkc]

One of the nice things about living out here in the west, is the completely different notion we have about space. ;)

About 5 minutes drive from me is the Interstate 15 highway. 300 miles down the road is Las Vegas. For approximately 250 of those 300 miles, you can pull the car over, walk no more than 1/4 of a mile and quite literally dance naked in broad daylight, and not a soul will ever see you. In fact, you would probably wind up dancing where no human being has ever set foot. There are areas, hundreds of miles square that doesn't even see a jack rabbit more than once a week.

Next item:
When you consider that most of the ex-,military who were ordered to keep their mouth shut, about this or that took 30-50 years before they came forward, because they were told it was a "matter of national security" and complied...

Well, the US Army has the Corp OF Engineers. A complete civil engineering unit that is world-wide, and management routinely gives them just such orders.

Not such a far stretch after all, when you consider it.

An example closer to home:
My father was one of the engineers in charge of building the Hanford Nuclear Plant (http://fredsitelive.com/personal/dad/#next2), up in Richland, Washington. My brother-in-law worked there in things nuclear, for nearly 30 years. I have maybe traded a combined total of 20 sentences with both of them on the subject.

"Back in the day", when the government told people to keep shut, and take an oath, they took what they knew to the grave.
T'was just how you were raised. ;)

Even closer to home:
Back when I did Aerospace machining, I knew of such things as "rasterized energy weapons"; using the same concept as a television tube, to 'enlarge' the beam from an energy weapon. Said project is already 20 years old, yet I have never heard a single word, in public, about this.
Fred

[truthseekerdan]

Secret Construction of Underground Tunnels, Cities By World Elites: Video Proof (http://alligatorfarm.wordpress.com/2010/01/28/secret-construction-of-underground-tunnels-cities-by-world-elites-video-proof/)

CBtnNSwJNYM

More interesting videos here: http://alligatorfarm.wordpress.com/2010/01/28/secret-construction-of-underground-tunnels-cities-by-world-elites-video-proof/

[Carmody]

Well, if you add in the hypothesis on increased 02 and specifically pressure..drastically increasing lifespans, possibly.....that could prove to be an interesting angle. A mile down does definitely increase the pressure on the human system.

If I ever get the spare money, I WILL buy a hyperbaric (o2) chamber for sleeping in. Just to see what it does.....

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Apparently it is only when going more than 6km down, does it finally present problems.


http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:70iRSmfvu5QJ:www.saimm.co.za/Journal/v105n06p387.pdf+air+pressure+increase+with+depth+in+mines&hl=en&gl=ca&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi1H1ewDNmksex2GxKg2CMdIm3lkw6Pvos1ZSR3q7LHwG6eml-YkUPohMyQS1rHy2Rv5GwXQP8cx0ZDYW4dbPudYs2t5fhUwIrxlYib6R2rN7Dictmmwrk_M-SHIP6Yk5zYKTdT&sig=AHIEtbTAFMi3ND5AzKkZhRKSQUD1lpHbwQ

nitrogen narcosis and oxygen toxicity are estimated to occur at 16km to 22km depth --all in air, of course. Water depth is a much bigger problem due to the mass difference of water vs air..and the water being so heavy that 5km down in a mine, in air.. is the same as being at a lousy 7M of water depth. (23 ft, or so)

My Brother in law worked at about 3km down,and was the healthiest he's ever been in his life. In the mine he was in, if you did not get out when the coolers failed, you would be slow cooked, like a Filipino pig in a pit.