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araucaria
28th April 2014, 10:03
Why would an Israeli scientist, Marcus Klingberg, disappear over a US/Soviet superpower confrontation?

The last time I had tried to interview Klingberg was in Israel in 1985. I was a foreign correspondent for the Observer based in Washington DC. The Cold War raged. In a superpower confrontation, the Americans had accused the Soviets of violating arms-control treaties by using a new chemical weapon known as yellow rain. Samples of the weapon from the battlefields of southeast Asia and Afghanistan were said to contain a deadly toxin, a poisonous chemical produced by the common fungus Fusarium. The Soviets had vigorously denied the charge.

Government scientists in Britain, America's closest ally, discovered pollen in the samples and independent scientists in America discovered, bizarrely, that the yellow spots they had found were indistinguishable from pollen-laden bee faeces. The bewildering question was whether the US could have mistaken bee droppings for a new chemical weapon.

Klingberg was an expert in the effects of Fusarium toxin. A Polish Jew, he had fled, at his father's urging, to Russia at the start of the Second World War and served as a doctor in the Red Army. His family perished in Treblinka in 1943. Klingberg, by then an epidemiologist, had successfully traced an outbreak of food poisoning that killed thousands of Russians to the consumption of mouldy wheat infested with the Fusarium poison.

After the war, Klingberg emigrated to Israel where he became a high-ranking military officer, and a deputy scientific director of Israel's top-secret chemical and biological weapons laboratories at Ness Ziona, 12 miles from Tel Aviv. I had gone to Israel to interview him, hoping he could shed some light on the yellow rain affair. But instead of meeting Klingberg, I unwittingly became part of an east-west espionage drama.

Israeli officials told me Klingberg had "disappeared". They said he had suffered a mental breakdown and was in a clinic somewhere in Europe. But his colleagues at Ness Ziona and at Tel Aviv University, where he was also a professor of epidemiology, did not believe the official story. Knowing his admiration for the Red Army during the war, some of them wondered if he might have defected to Russia, taking with him western military secrets about chemical and biological weapons.

Full story here.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/27/marcus-klingberg-soviet-spy-kgb

As a Soviet spy, what did Marcus Klingberg know that Moscow so wanted to hear? On the question of yellow rain, precisely nothing.


Asked whether the fungal poisons had ever been on Moscow's shopping lists presented by his KGB minders in Israel, Klingberg answered definitively: "Never." Had Moscow Centre ever expressed the slightest interest in the military application of fungal poisons? "Never."

Using Fusarium toxins as a biological weapon had never been discussed when he was in the Soviet Union, he said, and, like the sceptical independent scientists in America and Britain, he could not see the point of putting a fungal toxin into a mix of pollen grains for spraying on a battlefield. He had always assumed yellow rain was American disinformation.

Marcus Klingberg served his full 20-year term for knowing nothing when there was nothing to know. But he was one of those people Donald Rumsfeld was talking about when he said “there are things we know that we don’t know and there are things we don’t know that we know”.


Israel's security services had objected vigorously to Klingberg's release. He spent the last four years of his prison term – from the end of 1998 to 2003 – under house arrest but, sadly, without his wife, Wanda, who had died of heart failure in 1990. Even as he became eligible for full release, Israel's defence security service, Malmab, demanded that Klingberg be kept under close scrutiny. In a submission to the court, Malmab claimed Klingberg's "mind contains information he is not aware of". Klingberg's lawyers were stumped: there was no defence against charges about things he did not know that he knew.
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In 1985, had I been able to interview Klingberg he would have added an authoritative voice to the growing number of yellow-rain sceptics. Since then, former Soviet officials, familiar with the Soviet chemical and biological programme through the 70s and 80s, have reported they never knew of any effort to turn Fusarium toxins into a weapon. In the 90s, the new Russian government said that in the opinion of its military experts fungal toxins "have no military significance".
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Might the things he is supposed to have known be connected to his knowledge of Fusarium and, therefore, to the yellow-rain mystery? I asked. "It's possible," he said, again smiling at the thought. "I simply don't know what I'm supposed to know that I don't know."

Well, we know this much: it is highly displeasing to Israel that any idea should get out that American belligerency might be based on American disinformation rather than on Russia misbehaving. Especially if it comes from someone who knows exactly what they are talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_rain

We also know the sad truth that honeybees can cause epidemics. We also know that bees can be hybridized, selecting for more aggressive behaviour – such as the Africanized so-called killer bee. Perhaps they can be selected to act as a vector for disease? Be that as it may, like Russia, bees are being given a bad press, which might explain why they are now coming under chemical attack themselves.

And finally, we know that, whenever there is trouble being stirred, Israel is usually operating behind the scenes in surreptitious ways that even the East German Stasi could not always keep up with:

Comte [a lawyer for Klinsberg’s daughter] then contacted Wolfgang Vogel, the flamboyant East German lawyer famous for brokering spy swaps – including the much-publicised 1962 exchange in Berlin of the downed American U-2 pilot Gary Powers for the Soviet intelligence agent, Rudolf Abel, who had been caught and convicted in the US in 1957.

Comte flew to East Berlin and told Vogel about Klingberg's story, showing him a copy of my Observer article as evidence – the evidence that would make its way into the Stasi files. Vogel was astonished he had never heard of Klingberg's imprisonment. "A man who worked for the KGB in the west has been arrested and I know nothing of it?" he exclaimed. "Impossible. Maybe Professor Klingberg went crazy and gave himself up." He promised to investigate the matter.

Lifebringer
28th April 2014, 13:19
I'm thinking right now, that the plague they core sampled out in Siberia, could very well be the toxin's host to in any given spring. Chemtrails have been flying, and people wouldn't know what chemicals are being distributed in the air, and may very well be planes disquised as ours, being used by Israel Zionist against American people who will not go along with their WW3 plans.

Nuttyferyou, is evil incarnate, and known to work behind the scenes to set other nations up for war. These sudden biological chemweaponry, is a work of many years of scientific biowar tech, and who stands to win if US and Russia go to war. Why this place would be an open flea market for all their real estate future plans of energy sources, farm land, water resources.

A veritable smorgeshborg for any elite banking system after we are all dead, that stand in the way, on the Constitution and independent nation status. They want this place divvied up like a ham on Thanksgiving.

WE must not let them have their greed fest, by staying focused and ensuring that we get to the bottom of "what is in those chemtrails, who is dispersing them, and who's authority do they have to spray the skies with harmful heavy metals? Find that out, and we may prevent a bio-pandemic. If they are so into apocalypse, then the plague of boils that run, MERS? could be the next move. Resistant staff bacterial attacks, and most are doctors who run this WHO world health org, so they will attack our natural herbs with herbicides to lower the potency for cures, they sprayed chemicals on pot farmers, possible DEA connect? Idk, but they are truly worthy of one our best investigative seekings. ;)

I say this because all the "hidden" is connected.:evil: This kind of evil is not done by one, but by all who believe their dillusional drivel that there isn't enough resources.:rolleyes:

There are enough resources, they just weren't designed for corporate control and neither were "we.":target:

sigma6
3rd May 2014, 08:06
True Purpose of Chemtrails?
http://www.zengardner.com/true-purpose-chemtrails/

http://www.zengardner.com/wp-content/uploads/space-weapons-670x482.jpg

We are dealing with Star Wars. It involves the combination of chemtrails for creating an atmosphere that will support electromagnetic waves, ground-based, electromagnetic field oscillators called gyrotrons, and ionospheric heaters. Particulates make directed energy weapons work better. It has to do with “steady state” and particle density for plasma beam propagation.

They spray barium powders and let it photo-ionize from the ultraviolet light of the sun. Then, they make an aluminum-plasma generated by “zapping” the metal cations that are in the spray with either electromagnetics from HAARP, the gyrotron system on the ground [Ground Wave Emergency Network], or space-based lasers. The barium makes the aluminum-plasma more particulate dense. This means they can make a denser plasma than they normally could from just ionizing the atmosphere or the air.

DNA
3rd May 2014, 14:40
On a purely intuitive level, I have often felt chem-trails were part of a sophisticated method of detecting UFO's.

Most UFO's using cloaking mechanisms to stay invisible.

No data on this, it is just a gut feeling.

araucaria
3rd May 2014, 16:47
Well, chemtrails are a bit of an unexpected tangent for this thread to take. The topic is really about Israeli interference in east-west relations, as also probably on 911, and very possibly in the disappearance of flight MH370 with the presence of a twin aircraft in Israel where it should not be.