Obamacare provides the legal basis for enslaving America's children on a grand scale

[ThePythonicCow]

From Dave Hodges comes this alarming report The Obama Youth Movement & the Seizing of American Children (http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/04/29/the-obama-youth-movement-the-seizing-of-american-children/).

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There is presently a massive conspiracy designed to separate you from your children and give the government complete control over your children. To put it simply, Human, Health and Services (HHS) and their state level emissary, Children Protective Services (CPS) are engaged in a conspiracy which will culminate in (1) the Agenda 21 designed breakdown of the family; (2) the eradication of any semblance of parental authority over children; and, (3) unbridled and unfettered access to seizing children from the home in unlimited quantities for whatever nefarious purposes which might dictate the volume of child seizures.

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Obamacare Home Invasions and Interventions

According to a previously unreported Obamacare regulation, that has managed to escape “scrutiny” from the mainstream media, millions of American families will be targeted for home invasion by the forces of the Federal government in the name of preventing parental neglect resulting in disabilities in their children. And the Fourth Amendment be damned, as of this past January 1, 2014, Federal officials may enter your home without a warrant in order to “intervene” for the purpose of saving “high risk” children.


Obamacare’s Definition of High Risk


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According to Human Health Services (https://grants3.hrsa.gov/2010/Web2External/Interface/FundingCycle/ExternalView.aspx?&fCycleID=9E7EA909-4562-4FBE-86DA-D5F383C3ACFB), your family is eligible for this Hitler style for “intervention” in the following situations:

Families where mom is not yet 21.
Families where someone is a tobacco user.
Families where children have low student achievement, developmental delays, or disabilities.
Families with individuals who are serving or formerly served in the armed forces, including such families that have members of the armed forces who have had multiple deployments outside the United States.
Although this is not being widely reported, homeschoolers and their families will be targeted for “interventions” as will be families who object to having their children take vaccines.

There is no question that all of the above categories, warrants a home invasion followed by “remediation.” The visits are not being conducted by HHS officials as has been reported in several publications. The home invasion visits are being conducted by CPS on behalf of HHS.

HHS has designed a detailed 110 page policy manual which focuses on the criteria constituting child neglect. This policy manual which is the guide created by HHS for CPS’ home intervention visits makes the above criteria, presently being reported in the alternative media, look tame by comparison.


HHS, CPS and the Criminalization of Parenthood

In the 110 page HHS/CPS manual, the variables which comprise child neglect, worthy of government intervention is frightening beyond any words I can find to express their undisguised intentions. This entire document which will serve as the field manual by CPS in support of Obamacare undermines parental authority to a level that is beyond belief.

How many of you were ever grounded by your parents and not permitted to play outside with your friends? This is now illegal under the HHS/CPS policy manual. They label the treatment as neglect by isolation. There are no time frames set forth which constitutes isolation and it is left to the field representative. This obviously erodes parental discipline.

If your child is judged to be underachieving in school, this is referred to as educational neglect and is worthy of governmental intervention. Further, if your child is absent for five days in any one month from school, the same allegation would be made against the parent.

If your child has ADD or ADHD, you could be accused of neglect because the document details how this can be somehow caused by poor nutrition, although the variables associated with the cause are not specified.

The document goes out of its way to specify that poverty and neglect are not inextricably linked. Then the document goes out of its way to link poverty with child neglect. Read between the lines America. As we already are aware, many poor children who go missing from scandals such as Jerry Sandusky’s Second Mile Foundation, the infamous Franklin Scandal and last year’s CPS scandal with the 78 missing wards of the state in Oklahoma, frequently end up being put into child sex trafficking rings operated and funded by such notables as DynCorps and HSBC bank.

Of course, no Obama inspired program would be complete without an attack upon the Second Amendment. Obamacare is no exception as one of the criteria for child neglect are parents who are also gun owners.

The presence of alcohol in the home is a trigger for an allegation of neglect and subsequent “intervention.” Of course, alcoholic parents can present a clear and present danger to a child’s well-being. However, in the policy manual the conditions for concern over alcohol do not detail the amount and percentage of the family resources involved necessary to obtain alcohol. In other words, one can of beer in the home can be considered to constitute child neglect by the Obamacare CPS fieldworker.

If your child has engages in any type of illicit or criminal behavior, your family is at risk. Raise your hands if you ever smoked pot before the age of 18, or drank as a teen, or engaged in any kind of sexual activity before the age of 18, ever stayed out past curfew, or ever shoplifted? IF your children ever engages in these and a multitude of other transgressions, you are in danger of losing your children. This also means that if your child is ever involved in a fight in school or is assigned detention, the school will be required to report the behavior to the HHS/CPS and you can expect to have a “home invasion intervention” session with your friendly Obamacare CPS fieldworker.

If you are ever late picking up your child from daycare or from school aftercare, you will now be reported to CPS.

If you have ever been depressed or have been treated for any mental disorder (e.g. PTSD, anxiety, etc.), you are at risk for losing your children.

Even illegal immigrant families are not immune from this insanity. Children are judged by the field worker to not be fully acculturated, do not properly speak the language, exhibits signs of being homesick and is judged to have not formed an unspecified number of friends and formed a cohesive social network, allegations of neglect can be made.

I would invite the reader to spend some time reviewing the document which will be serving as the policy manual for the forced home inspections. Please note that when the reader gets beyond the flowery language and professed concern for children, that the language is written so broadly that virtually any human condition, any family circumstance or child’s behavior can be interpreted as child neglect. There is literally no end to the tyranny that awaits the art of parenting in the present day.

The important thing to note is the use of language by this manual. Parents who are deemed by an Obamacare CPS field worker, operating under the HHS flag, to be neglectful towards their children are considered to have created “disabilities” within their children. As the reader will soon discover, the use of the term “disabilities” is key to understanding how far this administration is willing to go to seize children for some nefarious purpose.

Sadly, this is still only the beginning. There is far more to be concerned about beginning with who is ultimately responsible for these outrages.

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Conclusion

Please remember that earlier in the article, I made the point that the HHS/CPS field manual referred to neglected children as children who have disabilities. It is quite apparent that any of the conditions listed in the HHS/CPS manual will produce children who have disabilities. Under this guise, I can draw no other conclusion than Obamacare is ultimately state sponsored child slavery.

Under Obamacare, virtually every aspect of parenting is criminalized. Any child can be considered to have a disability for which the state is the only legitimate treatment source. When Obama was first running for President in 2008, he promised to build a civilian security force that “was just as strong, just as well-funded as our military.” And when one combines this conspiracy with Obama’s Executive Order 13603 which calls for a mandatory civilian conscription to complement a coming military draft, it is clear that this lunatic is planning to enslave a large segment of the population and he will obtain many of his conscripts from Obamacare. And many of you who are familiar with Agenda 21 and their expressed views toward parental rights and the rights of children, do not need me to make connect the dots, you already have done so.

Unfortunately, there are no reliable statistics which will tell the American public how many of its children have been abducted under these circumstances because the abduction statistics show up as a CPS intervention. One thing we can be sure of is that your parental rights are gone as you merely the temporary caregiver for the state when it comes to who has authority over your children.

My advice to all parents, don’t answer the door when you see the lady ringing your doorbell.
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I only copied about half of Dave Hodges article above. The entire article, with links to relevant source material, can be found at The Obama Youth Movement & the Seizing of American Children (http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/04/29/the-obama-youth-movement-the-seizing-of-american-children/).

[Hervé]

Alarming?

Understatement of the year :(

Tocsins should be resonating all over that continent to mobilize the tossing out of that Fifth Column (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column)!

Makes Hitler just a stage rehearsal for a Grande Première...

[Ahnung-quay]

I live in small town. For one, there is presently no housing for removed children in rural areas. Will we see housing built? For two, are they planning on increasing the CSP workforce as there is presently no one making home visits from our county social services department?

It's sad that in small, rural areas which children are abducted will depend on whether or not your family is in the popular or well-off crowd or if you know someone personally like teachers, social workers, etc. If you play the game well, you get to keep your children.

What will they do with the children who are suffering from real disabilities? This flies in the face of the push over the last twenty years to get and keep these children in the community. Without parents, there really are not enough placements for these children. The result is institutionalization. The only thing missing is the gas chamber.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I live in small town. For one, there is presently no housing for removed children in rural areas. Will we see housing built? For two, are they planning on increasing the CSP workforce as there is presently no one making home visits from our county social services department?

It's sad that in small, rural areas which children are abducted will depend on whether or not your family is in the popular or well-off crowd or if you know someone personally like teachers, social workers, etc. If you play the game well, you get to keep your children.

What will they do with the children who are suffering from real disabilities? This flies in the face of the push over the last twenty years to get and keep these children in the community. Without parents, there really are not enough placements for these children. The result is institutionalization. The only thing missing is the gas chamber.

with my son, who has very severe autism, we asked the Developmental Disabilities Dept. for help, unsuccessfully.
They tried to pawn it off on CPS, who did nothing.

Then later, when the whole family went insane from lack of sleep, and was losing the house, CPS and DDD were both called on again,
and it wasn't until a literal near-emergency that CPS even did anything for the child.

Then, what they did was move him all the way from one end of the state to the other.
They took him from a Puget Sound area home and moved him to a Walla Walla-region residential facility.

Not sure whether this is good, bad, ugly, or none of the above, but it's true that children with disabilities are discriminated against.

DSHS claimed to have "difficulty placing" my son in a "normal foster situation", because no one in my state apparently wants to deal with autism.
It might be worth my time to get a lawsuit going.

edit: those of you who know the other side of the situation realize, we moved to where he was in order to be close to him after losing the house/job

[Matt P]

This is one of those threads I hope is being monitored. If the state ever comes for my kids because we don't vaccinate them or whatever BS reason, they better be prepared to sacrifice some of their people. I am not afraid to die and I will fight to the death to protect my kids and will take as many of the state agents with me as I can. I'd rather my kids were killed than be taken into custody of these satanic freaks. Maybe this is not the enlightened approach, and I don't believe it will come to this, but mess with my kids and all bets are off.
Matt

[Gardener]

This is so so so sad. As a normal feeling human being I have great difficulty understanding how they are sinking so low into the pit of evil. Incomprehensible!

[spiritwind]

I hope we’re not all going to be singing “I fought the law, and the law won”. After having been a manufactured housing community (LOL- actually just a nice way of saying trailer park) manager for almost 10 years I can tell you they (CPS and whoever) are going to be very busy.

I claimed the religious exemption so as not to give my youngest the ridiculously large number of immunizations they want you to give your child now (up something like 75% from 1980 when my oldest was born), and I can tell you that they were never happy when I asked for it, because they don’t volunteer this information.

I also know they nearly had a meltdown when I didn’t take my second child who was born at home 5 ½ weeks early and breech to the hospital immediately after birth so they could poke him with needles and put him in an incubator. I guess with what is planned for our future it’s a good thing I’m too old to have any more children because I am absolutely certain I would have been unable to comply.

It would almost be funny if it wasn’t so serious to see how the folks running the show are trying so hard to control every single detail of our life. I can’t seem to stop shaking my head from side to side these days. Never thought I would be waking up to the brave new world in this lifetime.

As was already pointed out, I believe it is much easier to plan this stuff out than it is to actually implement it. I know there are a lot of Christian folks up in this area that are homeschooling their children and they’re not going to just jump on the Agenda 21 bandwagon. But then again, maybe a good civil war is just what they want. Things certainly seem to be pointing in that direction.

[Zaya]

For those of you who want to see the 101 page document without having to figure out where it is in the article, here is the link: https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/usermanuals/neglect/neglect.pdf

I am doing some reading in this before I decide whether this is being way overhyped or is a serious issue.

The thing is, child neglect IS a real problem. Members of my family work as early interventionists who see kids on a daily basis who have all kinds of issues -- and a lot of them are due to neglect. So, I don't want to immediately say that this is evil to want to make sure these kids are protected.

However, I need to know how loose the language is in here. For instance, can they just show up unannounced to ANY home with a parent who smokes and demand entry? Or, are there other factors that have to be in place (such as the child has asthma and keeps getting hospitalized for it and it is known that the parent smokes IN the house with the child?)

I am not discrediting the article you posted (and it does raise some red flags). However, I urge everyone who is concerned to read through the 101 page document before jumping on the fear bandwagon. Don't let someone else pick and choose which parts of this document are relevant FOR YOU.

EDIT: I also want to point out a critical fact that the original article fails to mention. The part that relates to the Affordable Care Act is that the government is offering the abilities for states to apply for grants in order to improve their CPS funding in the state. They are NOT just mandating these new rules outright it seems.

UPDATE 2: I want to say, that so far, I do not see anything about home invasions and snatching children away. What I see is a manual for CPS workers informing them about all of the different kinds of risk factors and possible signs of neglect and plans to help the families by giving them more support and resources. I see where the original writer of the article was coming from. He sees some of the risk factors as a possible way for the government to make claims and shove their foot in the doors of parents' just for the sake of intervening. But, there are a few problems with him claim from what I can see:
1) They can't just barge in. They have to operate off of reported abuse by others (teachers, doctors, neighbors, etc)

2) They can't just come in and take your kids (unless they are categorized as a severe risk and then there is emergency removal). They have to do multiple visits, gather information, offer you a plan to help, then you have to fail to meet the plan, then there is more paperwork and more legal battles and more money spent, then they can take the kids. It is not so simple.

3) A lot of this document is discussing ways to help the families with programs (such as early intervention as I mentioned I have family members doing this for a living for the government). Early interventionists do NOT come in with an MO to take your kids. they give the parents a plan on developing their child (who typically has a disability of some kind) and work with the child on a weekly basis. Yes, they keep a lot of paperwork on you. However, the people receiving EI help actually typically ask for it and seek it out, not the other way around. Typically, this service does not result in the child being taken away.

[Siren Master]

Wow, this is fear porn at its height. Sorry, not buying this awful awful screed. This headline...oh my.

[Dennis Leahy]

And, at most, a few people are signing petitions or writing in blogs or buying ammunition - rather than actually solving this (http://www.ResetButtonMovement.org) and virtually every other crisis these same people are fomenting. What's it gonna take?

Dennis

[spiritwind]

I’m going to take a risk here of saying too much, but I don’t think their long term plans for us is just a bunch of fear porn. You certainly have a right to your opinion.Yes, they are putting forth these “new programs” in such a way as to imply they are to increase the effectiveness of dealing with child neglect and abuse. It sounds good, but if I was a betting person, my guess would be that there would in actuality be no decrease in the number of children experiencing neglect and abuse.

I have a grandchild who does not suffer from neglect or abuse, whose parents have from the outset been trying to do the right thing, according to established social parameters. This child has had every immunization that the medical establishment has deemed necessary for all parents to comply with giving their children, so as not to experience sanctions of sorts. They have taken this child to a psychiatrist on a regular basis, been very honest and forthcoming about their past and shown very consistently that they will do exactly as they are told. This child will be heavily monitored and medicated most likely throughout the public education years and so will his parents (be monitored, even though they have went out of their way to “do the right thing”). That should make me sleep better but it doesn’t.

If I’m around long enough I’ll be able to give you an update in about 12 years to let you know how it all works out. Unfortunately some of us can already see the shape and form of this Agenda 21 as it is materializing before our eyes. Kind of like in the old story about the native people not seeing the ships that were already out in the bay until all of the sudden one day they could. That doesn’t mean just because they couldn’t see them that they weren’t there. I don’t think they plan to roll this out with some kind of universal action that grabs any real attention. I think it will be more little stories that leak out that show that all is not really well, but since it isn’t happening to me or in my neighborhood, it isn’t anything to concern myself with. Once again, nothing to worry about/look at here. Move along. Maybe it isn't in everyone's face yet, but I do believe there is enough evidence to suggest that this is exactly what they would like to see in our not so distant future.

[Hervé]

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The people mentioned in this thread: De Facto USA's Siberia Bill (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68818-De-Facto-USA-s-Siberia-Bill), didn't buy it either...

[Zaya]

I have a grandchild who does not suffer from neglect or abuse, whose parents have from the outset been trying to do the right thing, according to established social parameters. This child has had every immunization that the medical establishment has deemed necessary for all parents to comply with giving their children, so as not to experience sanctions of sorts. They have taken this child to a psychiatrist on a regular basis, been very honest and forthcoming about their past and shown very consistently that they will do exactly as they are told. This child will be heavily monitored and medicated most likely throughout the public education years and so will his parents (be monitored, even though they have went out of their way to “do the right thing”). That should make me sleep better but it doesn’t.

Thanks for sharing about your grandchild. I know you do not want to say too much, so I will not pry into your specifics. However, can you speak more about this "monitoring" and what that entails? What are the implications here? I am curious to hear another side to the story.

To be clear, in my post above, I am not saying that I know one way or another whether this is fear porn (as someone else called it) or not. I really don't know. I was just pointing out that the original article is not exactly painting an accurate picture of the documents it cites. I was also just saying we should be careful about reading these articles and not the documents that they refer to in general because NO one is safe from dis-info. Our best bet is to keep ourselves informed of both sides.

[Matt P]

For those of you who want to see the 101 page document without having to figure out where it is in the article, here is the link: https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/usermanuals/neglect/neglect.pdf

I am doing some reading in this before I decide whether this is being way overhyped or is a serious issue.

The thing is, child neglect IS a real problem. Members of my family work as early interventionists who see kids on a daily basis who have all kinds of issues -- and a lot of them are due to neglect. So, I don't want to immediately say that this is evil to want to make sure these kids are protected.

However, I need to know how loose the language is in here. For instance, can they just show up unannounced to ANY home with a parent who smokes and demand entry? Or, are there other factors that have to be in place (such as the child has asthma and keeps getting hospitalized for it and it is known that the parent smokes IN the house with the child?)

I am not discrediting the article you posted (and it does raise some red flags). However, I urge everyone who is concerned to read through the 101 page document before jumping on the fear bandwagon. Don't let someone else pick and choose which parts of this document are relevant FOR YOU.

EDIT: I also want to point out a critical fact that the original article fails to mention. The part that relates to the Affordable Care Act is that the government is offering the abilities for states to apply for grants in order to improve their CPS funding in the state. They are NOT just mandating these new rules outright it seems.

UPDATE 2: I want to say, that so far, I do not see anything about home invasions and snatching children away. What I see is a manual for CPS workers informing them about all of the different kinds of risk factors and possible signs of neglect and plans to help the families by giving them more support and resources. I see where the original writer of the article was coming from. He sees some of the risk factors as a possible way for the government to make claims and shove their foot in the doors of parents' just for the sake of intervening. But, there are a few problems with him claim from what I can see:
1) They can't just barge in. They have to operate off of reported abuse by others (teachers, doctors, neighbors, etc)

2) They can't just come in and take your kids (unless they are categorized as a severe risk and then there is emergency removal). They have to do multiple visits, gather information, offer you a plan to help, then you have to fail to meet the plan, then there is more paperwork and more legal battles and more money spent, then they can take the kids. It is not so simple.

3) A lot of this document is discussing ways to help the families with programs (such as early intervention as I mentioned I have family members doing this for a living for the government). Early interventionists do NOT come in with an MO to take your kids. they give the parents a plan on developing their child (who typically has a disability of some kind) and work with the child on a weekly basis. Yes, they keep a lot of paperwork on you. However, the people receiving EI help actually typically ask for it and seek it out, not the other way around. Typically, this service does not result in the child being taken away.

Extremely relevant to our assumptions are that we KNOW the people who are passing these laws are trying to control and kill us at EVERY opportunity. GMO's, vaccines, chemtrails, etc, etc, etc. Nancy Pelosi said of Obamacare: "We have to pass it in order to read what's in it." You don't do crap like this for laws that are in the peoples' benefit!
I'm sorry but I know our government well enough to know that nothing they pass that is supposed to be in our interests really is. You remember the Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind and the like? These were the opposite of what they said they were supposed to be.
And, yes, I do know there are a LOT of abused and neglected kids but the last thing we need is our illegal, criminal government determining what is and isn't neglect. Immoral slimebags have not right to tell anyone else what is and isn't abuse.

[grannyfranny100]

If parents could get decent paying jobs perhaps such legislation wouldn't be needed because parents would have more time for their children.

Law makers should stop giving tax breaks to big corporations and start considering what this does to family life. Raising the minimum wage would also help.

[spiritwind]

I have a grandchild who does not suffer from neglect or abuse, whose parents have from the outset been trying to do the right thing, according to established social parameters. This child has had every immunization that the medical establishment has deemed necessary for all parents to comply with giving their children, so as not to experience sanctions of sorts. They have taken this child to a psychiatrist on a regular basis, been very honest and forthcoming about their past and shown very consistently that they will do exactly as they are told. This child will be heavily monitored and medicated most likely throughout the public education years and so will his parents (be monitored, even though they have went out of their way to “do the right thing”). That should make me sleep better but it doesn’t.

Thanks for sharing about your grandchild. I know you do not want to say too much, so I will not pry into your specifics. However, can you speak more about this "monitoring" and what that entails? What are the implications here? I am curious to hear another side to the story.

To be clear, in my post above, I am not saying that I know one way or another whether this is fear porn (as someone else called it) or not. I really don't know. I was just pointing out that the original article is not exactly painting an accurate picture of the documents it cites. I was also just saying we should be careful about reading these articles and not the documents that they refer to in general because NO one is safe from dis-info. Our best bet is to keep ourselves informed of both sides.

I quite agree with what I bolded above in your post. I often tend towards a certain outlook based on my personal experiences so the following shows how I got to my current outlook on almost anything they are trying to roll out these days. Until I feel more comfortable about those in decision making positions such as education, child health and welfare, and the current western medical model, I will probably continue to have this outlook, which probably is a bit biased.

To answer your question I have to go back a little bit to explain my current obvious prejudice against the system. I had numerous unpleasant experiences with my daughter when she was in the public education system. There were also some outstanding, caring, and highly aware educators along the way too, to be fair. But, much damage can be done in the name of helping. The school psychologist, the primary school counselor, the principle of the school, and the head of the CHIP program my daughter was in here in Washington State all had a problem with my daughter sucking her thumb until she was 9 years old. My husband and I sat in on numerous conferences with these people and it is frightening to think of how things might have gone if I had not had my husband to be there with me during these meetings. Granted, some of my prejudice may even stem back to my own experiences being a foster child and having behavioral issues growing up and how the school system dealt with me then.

Then there are my own personal experiences of having to use the local CHAS clinic for primarily low income or folks who do not have a primary care provider or health insurance. It’s been a couple years but I also went to the doctor with my daughter and they asked the same questions and entered your answers into a computer data system. This was done before anything else. And it didn’t matter what you were there for. They asked if you were or had ever been depressed or suicidal. They asked if there were any firearms in the home. They asked if you were on any medications or recreational drugs. They asked many more personal questions like this and it was all entered into the computer, presumably a national data base. Not just on some doctor’s notepad to put in your private file.

So, now as my grandson progresses through his years in the public school system they will be monitoring the efficacy of his treatment (the psychiatrist was recommended by the school he attends), not so bad in itself. But they may also choose to do a thorough investigation of his home-life if he does not. They may also decide to change his medication to something new on the market that has not been thoroughly tested and ends up having serious side effects. If this happens, unfortunately they will most likely blame something else and, since the parents totally rely and believe in the infallibility of the system, then what?

My daughter had quite a few friends whose parents also believed in the infallibility of the system and she can personally attest that all that medication prescribed to them over the years did not do a thing to help any of these people learn to cope with the adult world. In fact, in our observations of a few who we both knew personally, they seemed to become more unstable with the medications than they were before. She had a very personal experience I am not at liberty to share that demonstrated to her that they do not provide any real help other than getting someone possibly out of immediate danger when she did reach out for that help on one occasion after the break-up of a long term relationship. She had trouble during her entire public school experience and, amazingly she is doing quite well now that she is out of the school system and able to make her own choices without the constant pressure to conform. Had I listened to them she would most likely be a wreck now.

One last thing that has influenced my perception is what I know of the juvenile justice system and it’s current trend based primarily on economics, to try and sentence young people as adults and do away with the juvenile justice system. I don’t have time to provide links but the information is not hard to find that supports the fact that this trend flies directly in the face of a tidal wave of evidence that show that this is a mistake. And lastly, add in there the prisons for profit thing we have going on and it is kind of a scary picture for me. I took a bunch of classes all the way back in the late 80’s with plans to work in the Social Health and Welfare field. I remember even then how frustrated workers were, because almost all of them taking these classes back then were working to get certified in a field they were already working in, and they all admitted in class that the way things were structured actually seemed to work against providing the help families really needed. And, many were very sincere in their passion to help families and children change the cycle of neglect and abuse. So, I guess it’s not individual people who are doing the best they can with a system that generally operates on whatever funding they can scrape up that I take issue with. When economic times get tough, like they are now, I think it is very doubtful they can effectively roll out a program that is going to make any real improvements. The whole thing just smacks of more control to me.

[gripreaper]

First off, as a context for what the state can and cannot do with your child, THEY OWN YOUR CHILD. You registered this child at birth, gave your child to the state, and therefore it is a ward of the state. The state holds lawful title to this property. It no longer belongs to you and you are only the custodian, provided you follow the state mandated protocols.

The state wants to vaccinate, indoctrinate, and produce docile workers for commerce, who will follow all future mandates as adults and not think creatively for themselves. This curriculum is being developed down to every aspect of the child's life, and yes, there are measures for intervention should these protocols not be met.

So, if and when they come knocking, just keep in mind, they are not your kids. If they are taken from you, there is very little recourse, if any. Ask anyone who has gotten into an adversarial situation with the state. It's virtually impossible to win.

This is the truth of the matter and this IS the situation we are faced with. If you are a US citizen, a "resident" of any state, then you are part of the indentured and controlled populace, subject to all rules, regulations, statutes, fees, taxes, licenses, codes, ordinances, edicts, registrations, guidelines, precepts, acts, executive orders, mandates, restrictions, court orders, and dictates.

You are not allowed to do anything outside of the parameters built for you or you will be punished.

[ThePythonicCow]

I am doing some reading in this before I decide whether this is being way overhyped or is a serious issue.

The thing is, child neglect IS a real problem. Members of my family work as early interventionists who see kids on a daily basis who have all kinds of issues -- and a lot of them are due to neglect.


Wow, this is fear porn at it's height. Sorry, not buying this awful awful screed. This headline...oh my.


I’m going to take a risk here of saying too much, but I don’t think their long term plans for us is just a bunch of fear porn.
Yes, child neglect is a real problem. Traditional families and communities, especially amongst blacks, have been destroyed.

Yes, reading the actual document and doing one's homework is a good idea. I've taken forum members to task myself for not doing that, and now I stand guilty of just the same.

Yes, the headline is fear porn. I wrote it, composed in part from phrases in Hodges article. I've taken forum members to task for fear porn thread titles as well :).

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Looking back, a day after I made this post, at the excellent and varied comments, I am wishing that I was a skilled artist who could draw up a cartoon like the following:

Frame 1: People outside in a park in calm and normal conditions.
Frame 2: Chick Little rushes in yelling "Look Out! Look Out! The Steam Roller Will Crush Us !!" (steam roller visible behind him)
Frame 3: Close up of steam roller, crushing everything before it. (people running away, visible in the background)
Frame 4: People slowly, timidly, returning to their prior locations in the park ... nothing crushed where they were.
Frame 5: Overhead shot, a year later, of the same steam roller, still moving, slowly, now crushing those same people.

[ThePythonicCow]

Frame 5: Overhead shot, a year later, of the same steam roller, still moving, slowly, now crushing those same people.
Chronic fear numbs the mind. Routine alarms are eventually ignored.

Proper action, taken when "the tide comes in", with awareness of self and threat, empowers and succeeds.

[Calz]

"Fear porn" or not ... interesting timing on this one from AJ's site ...

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Mother targeted because she homeschools her son

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
May 1, 2014

After a concerned mother called 911 fearing her son was choking, an EMS worker proceeded to conduct an inspection of her house on the premise that she homeschooled, telling the woman “we’re agents of the state”.

Krista Spinks Bordelon of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, called for an ambulance after her asthmatic son began complaining of chest pains and turning red in the face.

“It was one of those “should I call should I not call” situations,” wrote Bordelon on a private Facebook page for homsechool parents. “They were super rude when they got there immediately telling me he was fine.”

However, the situation became even worse when one of the EMS supervisors asked Bordelon why her son wasn’t in school. When she replied that her son was homeschooled, the worker began conducting an inspection of Bordelon’s house, telling her “we’re agents of the state”.

“I was told by their supervisor that they are now agents of the state,” wrote Bordelon, adding, “That is probably where it all stemmed from (apart from their rudeness and bad interactions with me and my son – who is autistic.) But a report was definitely filed.”

Bordelon summed up her feelings after the incident on her public Facebook page;

“The moment your child is complaining that his stomach hurts, then points to his chest instead, and his face is turning red and he’s coughing, so you call 911. Except, when EMS gets there they laugh at you and tell you if it’s asthma he won’t be complaining about “abdominal pain” (except he’s NOT because he’s POINTING TO HIS CHEST!!!) Then the other asks, “Why aren’t they in school?” Then proceeds to LOOK AROUND YOUR HOUSE when you tell her you homeschool!!! Seriously, people, I am not making this up! I. Am. Livid.”

Bordelon now says that she is “super nervous” having filed a complaint and is planning on joining the Home School Legal Defense Association, adding, “I HATE having to feel scared for making a good choice”.

There are two equally chilling facets of this story that need to be underscored. The first is that EMS workers are now apparently being trained to be “agents of the state” who instead of devoting all their attention to helping people in desperate medical need are instead being ordered to take on the role of amateur citizen spies in some kind of unnerving East German Stasi throwback.

The second illustrates something that we have documented on numerous previous occasions – that both state and federal authorities treat homeschoolers as some kind of fringe cult of domestic extremists.

Last year Infowars.com reported on how homeschoolers were being portrayed as violent terrorists in a number of Department of Homeland Security-funded police drills which simulate homeschoolers staging attacks on public schools and school buses.

Krista Bordelon’s experience also illustrates the emerging trend being pushed by the establishment that children do not belong to their parents but are in fact property of the state or the “community,” as outlined in a now infamous clip featuring MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry.

http://www.infowars.com/ems-worker-tells-mom-were-agents-of-the-state-during-home-inspection/

[thunder24]

If they call for a constitutional covention, like is being proposed, then all the things we talk about being illegal or unlawful (not sure which is the proper term) then will most likely be constitutional... such as going after this mother and much more. That is a can of worms,imo, we don't want to happen!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/02/rare-option-forcing-congress-to-meet-change-constitution-gains-momentum/


At issue is what's known as a "constitutional convention," a scenario tucked into Article V of the U.S. Constitution. At its core, Article V provides two ways for amendments to be proposed. The first – which has been used for all 27 amendment to date – requires two-thirds of both the House and Senate to approve a resolution, before sending it to the states for ratification. The Founding Fathers, though, devised an alternative way which says if two-thirds of state legislatures demand a meeting, Congress “shall call a convention for proposing amendments.”

The idea has gained popularity among constitutional scholars in recent years -- but got a big boost last week when Michigan lawmakers endorsed it.

Michigan matters, because by some counts it was the 34th state to do so. That makes two-thirds.

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[Zaya]

I have a grandchild who does not suffer from neglect or abuse, whose parents have from the outset been trying to do the right thing, according to established social parameters. This child has had every immunization that the medical establishment has deemed necessary for all parents to comply with giving their children, so as not to experience sanctions of sorts. They have taken this child to a psychiatrist on a regular basis, been very honest and forthcoming about their past and shown very consistently that they will do exactly as they are told. This child will be heavily monitored and medicated most likely throughout the public education years and so will his parents (be monitored, even though they have went out of their way to “do the right thing”). That should make me sleep better but it doesn’t.

Thanks for sharing about your grandchild. I know you do not want to say too much, so I will not pry into your specifics. However, can you speak more about this "monitoring" and what that entails? What are the implications here? I am curious to hear another side to the story.

To be clear, in my post above, I am not saying that I know one way or another whether this is fear porn (as someone else called it) or not. I really don't know. I was just pointing out that the original article is not exactly painting an accurate picture of the documents it cites. I was also just saying we should be careful about reading these articles and not the documents that they refer to in general because NO one is safe from dis-info. Our best bet is to keep ourselves informed of both sides.

I quite agree with what I bolded above in your post. I often tend towards a certain outlook based on my personal experiences so the following shows how I got to my current outlook on almost anything they are trying to roll out these days. Until I feel more comfortable about those in decision making positions such as education, child health and welfare, and the current western medical model, I will probably continue to have this outlook, which probably is a bit biased.

To answer your question I have to go back a little bit to explain my current obvious prejudice against the system. I had numerous unpleasant experiences with my daughter when she was in the public education system. There were also some outstanding, caring, and highly aware educators along the way too, to be fair. But, much damage can be done in the name of helping. The school psychologist, the primary school counselor, the principle of the school, and the head of the CHIP program my daughter was in here in Washington State all had a problem with my daughter sucking her thumb until she was 9 years old. My husband and I sat in on numerous conferences with these people and it is frightening to think of how things might have gone if I had not had my husband to be there with me during these meetings. Granted, some of my prejudice may even stem back to my own experiences being a foster child and having behavioral issues growing up and how the school system dealt with me then.

Then there are my own personal experiences of having to use the local CHAS clinic for primarily low income or folks who do not have a primary care provider or health insurance. It’s been a couple years but I also went to the doctor with my daughter and they asked the same questions and entered your answers into a computer data system. This was done before anything else. And it didn’t matter what you were there for. They asked if you were or had ever been depressed or suicidal. They asked if there were any firearms in the home. They asked if you were on any medications or recreational drugs. They asked many more personal questions like this and it was all entered into the computer, presumably a national data base. Not just on some doctor’s notepad to put in your private file.

So, now as my grandson progresses through his years in the public school system they will be monitoring the efficacy of his treatment (the psychiatrist was recommended by the school he attends), not so bad in itself. But they may also choose to do a thorough investigation of his home-life if he does not. They may also decide to change his medication to something new on the market that has not been thoroughly tested and ends up having serious side effects. If this happens, unfortunately they will most likely blame something else and, since the parents totally rely and believe in the infallibility of the system, then what?

My daughter had quite a few friends whose parents also believed in the infallibility of the system and she can personally attest that all that medication prescribed to them over the years did not do a thing to help any of these people learn to cope with the adult world. In fact, in our observations of a few who we both knew personally, they seemed to become more unstable with the medications than they were before. She had a very personal experience I am not at liberty to share that demonstrated to her that they do not provide any real help other than getting someone possibly out of immediate danger when she did reach out for that help on one occasion after the break-up of a long term relationship. She had trouble during her entire public school experience and, amazingly she is doing quite well now that she is out of the school system and able to make her own choices without the constant pressure to conform. Had I listened to them she would most likely be a wreck now.

One last thing that has influenced my perception is what I know of the juvenile justice system and it’s current trend based primarily on economics, to try and sentence young people as adults and do away with the juvenile justice system. I don’t have time to provide links but the information is not hard to find that supports the fact that this trend flies directly in the face of a tidal wave of evidence that show that this is a mistake. And lastly, add in there the prisons for profit thing we have going on and it is kind of a scary picture for me. I took a bunch of classes all the way back in the late 80’s with plans to work in the Social Health and Welfare field. I remember even then how frustrated workers were, because almost all of them taking these classes back then were working to get certified in a field they were already working in, and they all admitted in class that the way things were structured actually seemed to work against providing the help families really needed. And, many were very sincere in their passion to help families and children change the cycle of neglect and abuse. So, I guess it’s not individual people who are doing the best they can with a system that generally operates on whatever funding they can scrape up that I take issue with. When economic times get tough, like they are now, I think it is very doubtful they can effectively roll out a program that is going to make any real improvements. The whole thing just smacks of more control to me.

Thank you for sharing your personal connection to this. I see where you are coming from now more clearly. I definitely agree that the system is not effective as it stands. I also agree that they don't always get involved where they should be involved. It is corrupt. Yes. These new qualifiers for what can be seen as abuse are a bit loose and could certainly be abused. It is something to keep our eyes on.

I do also choose to believe, though, that not everyone and everything in this is out for control and blood. I think there are people involved who do truly want to help some of these children. I will just keep hoping that those people exist...

[ThePythonicCow]

"Fear porn" or not ... interesting timing on this one from AJ's site ...
Part of my thought process, before posting this "fear porn" thread, was knowledge of the interactions that a friend of my family had with Child Protective Services (CPS) over several years. He was at various times in his life a successful executive in a major American corporation, and a successful mental health professional. He was quite skilled at dealing with bureaucracies and people of all sorts. He was well suited for doing so by his temperament. He was working the case of a teenager, now young adult. What I heard from him led me to hold CPS in deep suspicion.

[gripreaper]

This fact becoming more mainstream?

https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1907998_712575455466269_4302626083281704365_n.jpg

[naste.de.lumina]

Publicado em 07/11/2014
Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber bragging about deceiving the American people, who he thinks are stupid.

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