An entertaining 5 minute film ..with a twist

[Keltikmuse]

A highly entertaining very short (5 minute) film in which a hostile race of aliens has invaded Earth and the government fears that the aliens are modifying their DNA to pose as humans. When a military officer abducted months ago mysteriously reappears, his wife is called in to ask him questions only she would know to find out who or what he really is. Starring James C. Burns (Call of Duty: Black Ops). Based on a story by science fiction author Colin Harvey. Prepare to be entertained for a few minutes, enjoy!
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[Snowflower]

Amazingly well acted for such a short film. Also - totally caught me. Indeed a surprise ending.

[sirdipswitch]

What would make you think this isn't already happening. You should all know by now, that "They" have been walking among us... for centuries. We watch science fiction for disclosure.... "after" the fact.... and not before! hmm. chuckle chuckle.

[araucaria]

This reminds me of a radical idea for dealing with psychopaths. As part of a research project, set up an electric chair situation and behind one-way glass, test a student's reaction to being invited to throw the switch...

[Agape]

This reminds me of a radical idea for dealing with psychopaths. As part of a research project, set up an electric chair situation and behind one-way glass, test a student's reaction to being invited to throw the switch...

I remember that was a real experiment .. at some University in Ohio or Arizona , back in the 60s , unless you refer to it ..
half of the students distributed high voltage electroshocks unknowing whether the 'testing subjects' will actually receive them or not while testing the subjects on polygraph ( I think ) .
It's probably even in Camelot archives ..i am not sure with the name of the witness now

:angel:

[Ellisa]

Excellent and very well produced. The title gave the twist away but it was still well handled and I certainly felt a shock when the twist first showed up. It's nicely told with few obviously unexplained bits--- Do you have any more Keltikmuse? I like this type of SF very much, and nowadays it's hard to find.

[araucaria]

This reminds me of a radical idea for dealing with psychopaths. As part of a research project, set up an electric chair situation and behind one-way glass, test a student's reaction to being invited to throw the switch...

I remember that was a real experiment .. at some University in Ohio or Arizona , back in the 60s , unless you refer to it ..
half of the students distributed high voltage electroshocks unknowing whether the 'testing subjects' will actually receive them or not while testing the subjects on polygraph ( I think ) .
It's probably even in Camelot archives ..i am not sure with the name of the witness now

:angel:
Thanks Agape. I think those tests claimed to show how many ordinary people were capable of doing dreadful things without 'realizing'. I'm not show if that demonstration was actually made.

I was rather referring to a thought experiment that has been discussed before on Avalon. The person gets the opportunity to decide to 'execute' the victim (or not), but only on the basis of the flimsiest evidence (amounting to hearsay). The twist being that they are then told that the victim had done no more and no less than what they had just done, and now it was their turn to sit in the chair, and that the research/training setting suddenly becomes very real. This was a way of having psychopaths weed each other out, because any sane person would simply refuse to do it.

I'm not sure this would work either - at least not on its own - because it would probably create too many false positives from impulsive people who are pro-capital punishment - the kind that were highlighted in the experiment you mention.

[Agape]

This reminds me of a radical idea for dealing with psychopaths. As part of a research project, set up an electric chair situation and behind one-way glass, test a student's reaction to being invited to throw the switch...

I remember that was a real experiment .. at some University in Ohio or Arizona , back in the 60s , unless you refer to it ..
half of the students distributed high voltage electroshocks unknowing whether the 'testing subjects' will actually receive them or not while testing the subjects on polygraph ( I think ) .
It's probably even in Camelot archives ..i am not sure with the name of the witness now

:angel:
Thanks Agape. I think those tests claimed to show how many ordinary people were capable of doing dreadful things without 'realizing'. I'm not show if that demonstration was actually made.

I was rather referring to a thought experiment that has been discussed before on Avalon. The person gets the opportunity to decide to 'execute' the victim (or not), but only on the basis of the flimsiest evidence (amounting to hearsay). The twist being that they are then told that the victim had done no more and no less than what they had just done, and now it was their turn to sit in the chair, and that the research/training setting suddenly becomes very real. This was a way of having psychopaths weed each other out, because any sane person would simply refuse to do it.

I'm not sure this would work either - at least not on its own - because it would probably create too many false positives from impulsive people who are pro-capital punishment - the kind that were highlighted in the experiment you mention.


There's some interesting reading always somewhere around ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment, with plenty of related links and references on the page .

It's equally pertinent to where we discussed the way people respond to group behaviour or let themselves fall under influence of authority , some more easily than others .


:angel:


We have very unsettled weather and my eyes still hurt and head feels like not mine so sorry for short communication.

[Keltikmuse]

Excellent and very well produced. The title gave the twist away but it was still well handled and I certainly felt a shock when the twist first showed up. It's nicely told with few obviously unexplained bits--- Do you have any more Keltikmuse? I like this type of SF very much, and nowadays it's hard to find.
Thanks Ellisa I will look for you ,,I tend to find these things at daft 'o' clock when I can't sleep . :sleep::flock:

[Keltikmuse]

Have a look at these ,,,some are quite good ,

http://io9.com/the-best-science-fiction-and-fantasy-short-films-of-201-1491154070

[Keltikmuse]

The movie is just 8 1/2 minutes long but is totally stunning both with its rich post-apocalyptic scenery and its action packed sequences.doteMqP6eSc

[Hervé]

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... half of the students distributed high voltage electroshocks unknowing whether the 'testing subjects' will actually receive them or not while testing the subjects on polygraph ( I think ) .
It's probably even in Camelot archives ..i am not sure with the name of the witness now

:angel:

Milgram experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_psychology) experiments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_psychology) conducted by Yale University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_University) psychologist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology) Stanley Milgram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Milgram). They measured the willingness of study participants to obey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obedience_%28human_behavior%29) an authority figure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authority) who instructed them to perform acts conflicting with their personal conscience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscience). Milgram first described his research in 1963 in an article published in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Abnormal_and_Social_Psychology)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#cite_note-ObedStudy-1) and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obedience_to_Authority:_An_Experimental_View).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#cite_note-2)

The experiments began in July 1961, three months after the start of the trial of German Nazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi) war criminal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_criminal) Adolf Eichmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann) in Jerusalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem). Milgram devised his psychological study to answer the popular question at that particular time: "Could it be that Eichmann and his million accomplices in the Holocaust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust) were just following orders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_Orders)? Could we call them all accomplices?"[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#cite_note-GBooks-3) The experiments have been repeated many times in the following years with consistent results within differing societies, although not with the same percentages across the globe.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#cite_note-Blass1991-4) The experiments were also controversial and considered by some scientists to be unethical and physically or psychologically abusive. Psychologist Diana Baumrind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Baumrind) considered the experiment "harmful because it may cause permanent psychological damage and cause people to be less trusting in the future."[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#cite_note-5)

[Agape]

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... half of the students distributed high voltage electroshocks unknowing whether the 'testing subjects' will actually receive them or not while testing the subjects on polygraph ( I think ) .
It's probably even in Camelot archives ..i am not sure with the name of the witness now

:angel:

Milgram experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_psychology) experiments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_psychology) conducted by Yale University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_University) psychologist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology) Stanley Milgram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Milgram). They measured the willingness of study participants to obey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obedience_%28human_behavior%29) an authority figure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authority) who instructed them to perform acts conflicting with their personal conscience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscience). Milgram first described his research in 1963 in an article published in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Abnormal_and_Social_Psychology)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#cite_note-ObedStudy-1) and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obedience_to_Authority:_An_Experimental_View).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#cite_note-2)

The experiments began in July 1961, three months after the start of the trial of German Nazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi) war criminal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_criminal) Adolf Eichmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann) in Jerusalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem). Milgram devised his psychological study to answer the popular question at that particular time: "Could it be that Eichmann and his million accomplices in the Holocaust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust) were just following orders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_Orders)? Could we call them all accomplices?"[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#cite_note-GBooks-3) The experiments have been repeated many times in the following years with consistent results within differing societies, although not with the same percentages across the globe.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#cite_note-Blass1991-4) The experiments were also controversial and considered by some scientists to be unethical and physically or psychologically abusive. Psychologist Diana Baumrind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Baumrind) considered the experiment "harmful because it may cause permanent psychological damage and cause people to be less trusting in the future."[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#cite_note-5)


Thanks Amzer , yes that's what I meant and mentioned the link above here as well .

The topic of 'obeying given orders' versus exercising own conscience, judgement and free will under various circumstances should be really opened for wider debate ..