Request for Shamanic help

[jamarchitect]

I'd like to request a private dialogue, that may lead to actionable help, from someone well versed in Shamanism with the aim of escaping an occult network. This is a serious situation that may require soul retrieval.

Thanks all. I'm new here, but I'm being called to leave my present situation (for which there will be serious consequences - but as someone said elsewhere, the consequences of staying may be more serious), and since the occult network I'm talking about has been one step ahead of me my whole life, I recognize my need of help. I'm sure there are people here that are much smarter than myself.

Also, request for really positive energy! :|

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Smart is powerful, but there's something about "rightness" that beats it some of the time.
Don't give up hope, and remember, you can choose your friends, if not your family.

I am sure there are others here who have experienced some level of what you describe.

[jamarchitect]

Thanks for the encouragement, but this really is a serious request for help and guidance.

[Hervé]

Meanwhile, have a look at Eve Lorgen site: http://evelorgen.com/wp/

... or become acquainted with Holographic Kinetics: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38458-Dreamtime-Healing-Using-Holographic-Kinetics

[Zaya]

jamarchitect, I hope you find what you are looking for. I'm glad to know that you are at least searching for it. That is already your first step towards healing. You can only be healed if you want to be!

I am not knowledgeable in shamanic practices, but I will send positive energy as best as I can. Hopefully one of the more enlightened folks around here can help you!

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Thanks for the encouragement, but this really is a serious request for help and guidance.

Everyone thinks his own life is so much more serious than the rest.
Good luck -- that was my invitation to initiate a dialogue, but you wanna talk to yourself that is fine.

Not too sure that many PA people call themselves shamans, even the ones who are, so -- Good Luck.

[jamarchitect]

jamarchitect, I hope you find what you are looking for. I'm glad to know that you are at least searching for it. That is already your first step towards healing. You can only be healed if you want to be!

I am not knowledgeable in shamanic practices, but I will send positive energy as best as I can. Hopefully one of the more enlightened folks around here can help you!

Thanks Zaya! That was very positive, and I can feel some blessings rolling in now..well, a few moments ago. Yes, before I wasn't willing to admit that I needed help. It's a wanna be alpha dog thing. But now I do realize, after years of sustaining subtle and overt attacks, that I am actually in over my head and do need help.

I'm hoping for one of the more enlightened people too... more enlightened than me, that is. :o

[jamarchitect]

Hi Amzer Zo, just saw your post. I've been to Eve's site, but don't know anything about "Holographic Kinetics". So, I'm going to look into that! Thanks for the reference!

So far, I'm finding this interview very interesting, especially the key words that are used (for finding the website, etc.): http://offplanetradio.com/podcast/dreamtime-healing-ancient-aboriginal-modalities-with-steve-r.html

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

*cough lol*

on a more serious note, there are lots of people on the forum interested in helping TIs, people exposed to mind control programs, etc. some of the mods track that stuff too. It could be helpful to send a personal request to some of them w/ information that you wouldn't want us bottom feeders to read. :sad:

*spank*


how bad does the SRA in our own past have to be before we qualify to help btw?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse#Dissociative_identity_disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse#False_memories
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovered_memory_therapy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_analysis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Monarch#Project_Monarch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Monarch#Multiple_personality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonic_possession
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130711170148AAY5cif
Are certain placements in astrology prone to demonic possession?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mkultra

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ernst_Krafft
Karl Ernst Krafft (10 May 1900 – 8 January 1945) was a Swiss astrologer, born in Basel. He worked on the fields of astrology and graphology.[1]

British intelligence became so concerned at the thought that their opponent's war was being conducted by a mystic that they, for a time, hired the services of astrologer Louis De Wohl. De Wohl was quietly dropped after several months, having failed to procure any hard evidence about Krafft's work.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/column.php?id=226359


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism


Shamanism (/ˈʃɑːmən/ SHAH-mən or /ˈʃeɪmən/ SHAY-mən) is a practice that involves a practitioner reaching altered states of consciousness in order to encounter and interact with the spirit world and channel these transcendental energies into this world.[2] A shaman is a person regarded as having access to, and influence in, the world of benevolent and malevolent spirits, who typically enters into a trance state during a ritual, and practices divination and healing.[3]

Someone direct me to the nearest "seriousometer".

[Rocky_Shorz]

you entered the Avalon collective looking for someone with powers that can help knowing we can't?

chuckles and walks away...

[jamarchitect]

Not sure I understand Rocky_Shorz. How did I enter Avalon knowing you can't help?

I'm pretty sure there are some very knowledgeable people here that can in fact help.

[Shezbeth]

P.S. A true shaman would never be on a forum (any forum) and if a person ‘calls’ himself or herself a shaman then there is your sign that they most truly are not a shaman. A shaman is identified by those within the community they dwell not by egotistical desire to be a shaman.

A reasonable conclusion which is no doubt consistent with your experience; your words are sincere, but that does not make them true. Additionally, this expression seems to indicate that there is no one suitable to discourse with, which I find to be inverse and contrary to the potential that there is. Absolutely one should be cautious, but defeatist?

[spiritguide]

Alpha dogs have a target painted on their backs, and only are such until another Alpha dog comes along and replaces them by any means. Try the wingmakers site, for a fresh outlook. IMHO

Peace!

[jamarchitect]

Thanks SpiritGuide, I'll check this out.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Or you could say more about your situation and let people help.

[jamarchitect]

Or you could say more about your situation and let people help.

Sure Tesla_WTC_Solution,

The primary problem, the source of all the chaos and pain, is best described here: http://tiactionhelp.blogspot.de/2014/04/the-distortion-of-personality.html

[jamarchitect]

You know something blufire, I simply don't have time to cater to your ego. Please leave my thread if you are unable to cooperate in a constructive manner. Thank you.

Sorry for being harsh, in your face, and sharpening iron with iron.

---

Dear Avalon Members, it has come to my attention that this thread has been trolled by members of the novus ordo templi, a sister branch of the OTO and the RR et AC. This is an attempt to inject negativity into my thread, because I recently made reference to one of their initiatory groups in the latest post on my blog.

I believe the comment,

"some of us don't visit certain blogspots..."

is specifically designed to place the idea in other member's minds that the nature of my blog is of a low vibratory rate. While the material there is necessarily negative, as are all things to do with the above mentioned initiatory groups, the intention and purpose of the site is to help other people who have been attacked by them.

My sincere apologies for any negativity that has been injected into this thread by other people.

On the bright side, a few Avalon Members who were not out to highjack this thread have been very helpful, and I would like to thank them for leading me to very useful and productive information.

It appears that one does not have to be a very reputable, self-respecting shaman to help others out after all. ;)

Please consider this thread closed by the OP.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

This is obviously a troubled time in your life.

I am going thru a lot of **** too. It happens.

No one here was attacking you, though.
Good thing this site has laid-back rules -- sites like ATS and prisonfail, they don't let people link their blogs on the forums.
This site seems different in that the people really do listen and are helpful.


When disoriented though, it's good to "keep it simple".
Focusing on too many things at once - drowning in the sea of experience...

Try tackling these issues one at a time.
You might be surprised at what a shaman would say, if a lot of fear and negativity was brought into the tent!
They sometimes refused people that they think will be trouble, and some folks with too many "passengers" end up harming the shaman -- so they do these things for people at great personal risk sometimes.

It's not good to dis Avalon because a blog wasn't well-received.
Mine sounds a lot like yours does - and I am not proud of it either.

Just trying to help. A short sharp shock is sometimes a good way to wake up.


p.s. curious about the OTO comment, was that due to what was being said in the reincarnation/past lives thread? :tape2: :jaw:

'cause a past life is OVER silly.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Why do you think that a shaman is the answer to your predicament? What is it that you expect such a person to do for you?

Are you looking for someone to wave a magic wand and fix whatever your problem is? Or are you seeking someone who will guide you to overcome that which is within you that has led to this situation?

Are you prepared to do the heavy lifting? Are you prepared to transform and change? Are you prepared to work towards an outcome that is for the highest good of all beings, including those beings who are causing you trouble?

[Sierra]

I've done some cleanup.

When an Avalon member asks for information, please don't sit there, and make egotistical, wild, imaginary, and wholly negative assumptions about someone's intent for asking, using the thread to beat the crap out of someone. All that does, is show people the inside of your head...

Jam, there are a lot of books on the subject, give yourself a head start. :)

I know of at least two genuine shamans on this site, and I don't think either of them would be willing to work with someone in a guru role. Both of them work more in the mode of sharing an adventure, here is what I learned, and watch out for ego over there ...

I'm not sure why you think shamanism is a tool for dealing with SRA... You may be right on the money here, I've just never heard of using shamanism this way.

Sierra

[Limor Wolf]

Unfortunately I was introduced to this issue very closely myself, shamanism has good tools worth getting to know for one to help themselves, Many times people are being subjected to such horrors such as SRA not becuase they attracted this situation into their lives (how could they as infants..), but because of their soul compartment, their genetic component which is of interest to someone and past lives history of objecting the forces who are pulling the strings today, believe it or not. A good shaman can relief and assist by cleansing or clearing someone's Akashic records of incarnations where the soul was given the same 'treatment', please understand that these people are going and were going through severe trauma throughout their lives, the shaman advice is given by good researchers and scholars of the subject. I understand that some here may not relate to such difficult and out of the ordinary life experiences and are ignorant about the on-goings, and some here are in the know fully too well..

In any way, compassion and sensitivity are two of the tools which can be of help and assistance, as Sierra alluded, without anyone needing to be a shaman themselves.

Stay well ~

Limor

[jamarchitect]

I've done some cleanup.

When an Avalon member asks for information, please don't sit there, and make egotistical, wild, imaginary, and wholly negative assumptions about someone's intent for asking, using the thread to beat the crap out of someone. All that does, is show people the inside of your head...

Jam, there are a lot of books on the subject, give yourself a head start. :)

I know of at least two genuine shamans on this site, and I don't think either of them would be willing to work with someone in a guru role. Both of them work more in the mode of sharing an adventure, here is what I learned, and watch out for ego over there ...

I'm not sure why you think shamanism is a tool for dealing with SRA... You may be right on the money here, I've just never heard of using shamanism this way.

Sierra

Well, I closed this thread because it was becoming abusive, but it looks like folks are still interested, so here goes.

I agree with you Sierra. Those people know absolutely nothing about me at all. Their psychic impressions are most likely reflections of themselves.

I guess it's easy to fall into the guru/student weak-mind trap, but I know that I have 99% to learn in this area, so I tend to look at it as a teacher/guide and student scenario. That is how I have been taught in the past, and although I'm used to less formal relationships, I still think the teacher(facilitator)/student model is a good one. I don't have a definitive answer for why I'm proposing Shamanism. I went to a Tibetan Buddhist university, and I learned a lot there. I also read a ton of books, and some of it has come to mind lately, just bits and pieces, along with a few things people have said over a decade ago. I also know that I'm dealing with a non-physical component, or extension of an entity, over here. Since the religion I was raised in has not turned out to be what I thought, I know this battle is spiritual, and I know the extremely deep well of knowledge indigenous people have about life on this planet (one of the reasons for the genocide against them?), I've come to the conclusion that shamanism is probably the best path to follow for now.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I see that Sierra took the liberty of editing my post, but did not leave a note.
It does not appear that much is missing from the post, either -- what was removed?

So this whole thread was trolling pretty much then closed?
Anyone who expresses interest in the OP rebuffed, and then the Mods come and edit the posts of the few people who bothered responding at all.


Oh -- the OTO comment, is that what was removed?
I asked the OP if he was accusing people here of being OTO members because of a half-serious post in the Reincarnation thread.
And it deserves a SNIP.


Please explain.

[jamarchitect]

Unfortunately I was introduced to this issue very closely myself, shamanism has good tools worth getting to know for one to help themselves, Many times people are being subjected to such horrors such as SRA not because they attracted this situation into their lives (how could they as infants..), but because of their soul compartment, their genetic component which is of interest to someone and past lives history of objecting the forces who are pulling the strings today, believe it or not. A good shaman can relief and assist by cleansing or clearing someone's Akashic records of incarnations where the soul was given the same 'treatment', please understand that these people are going and were going through severe trauma throughout their lives, this is an advice given by good researchers and scholars of the subject. I understand that some here can not relate to such difficult and out of the ordinary life experiences and are ignorant about the on-goings, and some here are in the know fully too well..

In any way, compassion and sensitivity are two of the tools which can be of help and assistance, as Sierra alluded, without anyone needing to be a shaman yourself.

Stay well ~

Limor

A resounding applause Limor! (I'm sorry you had anything to do with SRA at all!)

Shamanism does indeed empower a person. It takes the trainer wheels of the bicycle and lets one ride on their own. That is a profound insight. People who think other people deserve SRA are minced in the head, completely ignorant, and simply annoying. I have a post on my blog called "The Distortion of Personality," (and since I was recently criticized for promoting my blog, I'd like to say that money has nothing to do with it. Neither does philosophy. It's a centralized place that explains what happened to me, and is supposed to help other Targeted Individuals), and if anyone can give me a really good answer as to why I, or anyone else on the planet, deserves such a thing I am more than willing to listen.

This Akashic record thing, I believe I was there once. For me it was a massive library I went to so I could read a very, very thick book on this life. I think though that the Akashic record can be distorted through programming. (Or at least people's attempts to dig up information on a person can be distorted.)

It's known, how well I'm not sure, that repetition is one of the most effective forms of hypnosis and therefore an effective method of programming (both cognitive and cellular). One of the things a Targeted Individual (TI) goes through is the constant repetition and insinuation of accusations that derive from situations orchestrated by the people making the accusations. (Say that quickly ten times!)

After a certain amount of repetition, the lies start to sink into deeper levels, until the TI starts subconsciously broadcasting the information themselves, and even worse, they start to believe it about themselves and act it out. Let me state, that being a TI IS NOT normal harassment. It is a dedicated campaign to destroy a person over every single level of their life.

That is why I decided to publish instructions on performing the Chronological Journal. While it was the most difficult and sickening activity I've ever undertaken, it revealed so much information that took so much of the blame of my own shoulders. A light went on when I realized that I'm not what "they" say I am. That is a very big step for a TI who's been under the gun daily for over 10 years. It really began my movement away from abuse and is rapidly leading me toward Escape Velocity.

Targeted Individuals have their entire life destroyed. Their children are taken and raped - sometimes never to be seen again. Their finances, career potentials, and reputation are completely destroyed through rumor campaigns. A large number of them commit suicide.

Those are the facts. I personally believe TIs are some of the most powerful spirits on the planet, and that is why they are targeted. You are right Limor. They are targeted because of their potential, not because they have done something.

My personal TI story starts as far back as I can remember, but really kicked off when I was about 9. If anyone can come up with a really good reason why a 9 year old deserves to have his aura impregnated by three demonic entities, as I said earlier I'm open to listening.

Obviously there are horrific details in a TIs life, especially from childhood, and that is why I asked for private dialogue. Not, as some people think, so I can exercise my super special occult powers to manipulate whomever replies by PM! :mmph: :frusty:

Thanks Limor, excellent post.

[Sierra]

I see that Sierra took the liberty of editing my post, but did not leave a note.
It does not appear that much is missing from the post, either -- what was removed?

So this whole thread was trolling pretty much then closed?
Anyone who expresses interest in the OP rebuffed, and then the Mods come and edit the posts of the few people who bothered responding at all.


Oh -- the OTO comment, is that what was removed?
I asked the OP if he was accusing people here of being OTO members because of a half-serious post in the Reincarnation thread.
And it deserves a SNIP.


Please explain.

As I explained in response to your PM, OTO had nothing to do with what was removed (if I did remove something applicable to the OP's question, by all means, put it back in.) (Sincerely and politely, please.)

It was strictly the rude trolling I attempted to remove (and responses to a now vanished post).

Sierra

[Agape]

It's my belief Jamar.. that you need to move yourself forwards in time and find and meet the real person who can help ,
perhaps gather some tips here and don't be afraid to look into the larger therapeutic community before you embark on the journey . 'Shamans' do not always go by that name ( in fact but few of them are known as 'shamans' ) and it does not really matter .

What you need to know .. is that 'internet shamans' ( and therapists ) are usually of very illusory nature . The outreach ..and communication between you and any other person over the net .. is about as good as it is, at the first front ..
any real 'shaman' would either do their job already , without asking you a question perhaps .. or would call you to themselves .

Can you guess what I mean ?

When you go to see the real 'shaman' your journey to him and inner resolution to change your life forever are as important , if not more as the person you go to visit .

"Karma'' is mind based but it's very much attached to our deeds , that's why 'good deeds' actually repair 'bad deeds' with greater efficiency than thinking alone and also 'good deeds' pave your way to your own happiness .

I know of quite few good people around here who could assist you - if you were in their presence in real time - however - the same people may hesitate to approach you purely on that assumption that help you require is to be done remotely , 'over the air' and in fact, requires lots n lots internet communication. Energetically , it's more demanding , and much less efficient .
No matter the talks .. the walk is equally important .


I don't know your location... perhaps if you could specify your outreach .. people would happily direct you somewhere .

Best wishes :hand:

[Daughter of Time]

Hello jamarchitect,

While you are looking for a shaman to help you with this most unpleasant predicament, I'd like to suggest that you write a declaration of intention. This should be written in your own words but should express something to this effect:

"I (your name) now break any and all agreements I may have made at any point across space and time with any malevolent forces/demons/entities/ETs (name the beings) who have interfered with my life. You no longer have permission to interfere with any part of my being, whether it be my body, my mind, my emotions or my soul. You are now forbidden to abduct/contact/torture/torment (choose your verbs) me ever again. I forgive you for all the grief you have caused me, whether or not you understand what forgiveness means and I wish for you the best possible evolution towards the path of love. I now reclaim autonomy and sovereignty."

Once you have formulated your declaration, recite it at bedtime, upon arising and every time you feel fear. But mean it! Mean every word you express!

Sages tell us that everything in this universe works by agreement, and while I feel that is probably true, the agreements we make are not always made consciously. Some agreements are reached by force. Some are made without being aware of the consequences. Some are reached by deceitfulness. All in all, most of these agreements we have made long, long ago were probably not ethical on the part of those who persecute us. Perhaps these agreements were part of a game which started so many ages ago that we cannot possibly remember. Perhaps the game was fun at the beginning and then it deteriorated into a nightmare. Either way, we have to take responsibility for whatever part we might have played in this drama whether wittingly or unwittingly.

Will reciting this declaration alone restore you soul? I don't know! But I think it's a good start.

Best wishes on your path to successful resolutions.

Love and healing,

Daughter of Time

[jamarchitect]

"I asked the OP if he was accusing people here of being OTO members"

No, I'm not broadly accusing everyone at Avalon of being an OTO member. Not at all! I know better.

Sierra, thank you for removing the trolling.

[loungelizard]

Hello Jamarchitect


I went to a Tibetan Buddhist university, and I learned a lot there.

Could you explain a little about how you view the concept of the soul that you say could require retrieval? As I'm sure you know, one of the fundamental doctrines of Buddhism (as far as I'm aware :o) is the no-self, the anatman.

I don't wish to derail the thread, but I'd be interested to hear if you had a conflict between your studies at the university and your personal belief in a soul.

Thanks!

[Daughter of Time]

Hello jamarchitect,

I am posting primarily to bump the thread.

I am also hoping that by now you may have received a PM from a PA shaman member who might be able to truly help you. If not, I suggest that the thread be bumped daily so that it might eventually catch the attention of someone who may point you in the right direction.

I don't know if you've ever tried a search engine to locate shamans in your locality. This might be worth a try. I don't know what the costs involved are but it might be worth checking.

Best wishes in your quest to freedom.

Love and healing,

Daughter of Time

[jamarchitect]

Hi LoungeLizard,

That's a pretty good question. Soul Retrieval is just a nebulous term to me. I think more on the lines of soul fragments, and when I get into deeper conversations more details are revealed about a particular situation. For example, this isn't really about getting my soul back from some distant place, but more severing connections and removing attachments that are sucking my energy dry.

Naropa was a very interesting place. It was founded by Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche (for anyone intersted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chogyam_Trungpa). The interesting thing about the school is that its very ecumenical. Meaning one does not have to be a devout Buddhist, subscribing to all the beliefs therein, to attend and graduate. They're mainly happy if you take your classes seriously and at least try to engage meditation.

I've had various mystical experiences that point me to believe that there is a soul. It may be a construct, but as far as I know it is there and real. I have seen it as an exact duplicate of the physical body in shape, yet of course existing on a much more rarified vibratory plane. Similarly, I've perceived what we call consciousness as a ball of white light that has its manifestation point within the head. (I believe the pineal gland might be it's entrance point into this dimension.) Sometimes the radius of this ball of consciousness is very small and sometimes it's very big, which is an indication of overall environmental awareness. I'd also like to say that I have not actually witnessed consciousness, but instead I've witness the light it generates.

As I write this, the thought comes to mind that the astral duplicate (what I tentatively refer to as the soul, but is most likely just a part of it), may be a construct made by consciousness in order to operate (think avatar) the physical body. This is getting a little granular for me, and I'm now out of my depth.

I do find that there are usually differences between theory and practice. What we say tends to be a loose approximation of what actually is.

Hope this makes sense.

Update: I just came across an image that is a good representation of what I mean by consciousness manifestation within the head. It's the picture of the head, on the right, with a ball of light in its center. http://thoughtcomputing.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Neruda-Interviews_1.png

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

in spite of how this thread went, i am a bit interested in what happens here,

good luck and healing and most of all, self-respect and self-care to Jamarchitect;
for some questions there are no easy answers, except here's a shovel start digging with the rest of us.

[Grizz Griswold]

jamarchitect, Please consider this quote from ACIM

No one can suffer loss unless it be his own decision. No one suffers pain except his choice elects this state for him. No one can grieve nor fear nor think him sick unless these are the outcomes that he wants. And no one dies without his own consent. Nothing occurs but represents your wish, and nothing is omitted that you choose. Here is your world, complete in all details. Here is its whole reality for you. And it is only here salvation is.

You may believe that this position is extreme, and too inclusive to be true. Yet can truth have exceptions? If you have the gift of everything, can loss be real? Can pain be part of peace, or grief of joy? Can fear and sickness enter in a mind where love and perfect holiness abide? Truth must be all-inclusive, if it be the truth at all. Accept no opposites and no exceptions, for to do so is to contradict the truth entirely.

Never dismiss your own power....the power that can create worlds!....Grizz

[jamarchitect]

No one can suffer loss unless it be his own decision.

That's true. I admit it. I took a walk through hell to help a frenemy. Just thought it would be a good time to ask for help to get out of it.

It's my believe that this mission was a complete bust, and the person is permanently lost and deceived.

Update: So. I received "help." And a lot has come to light in the last few days. Particularly concerning mind control, manipulation, and environment.

I've come to the conclusion that our environment, and more importantly the relationship we maintain, play a big role in our need for assistance. By removing ourselves from negative environments and severing abusive relationship, I think we take ourselves a long way toward healing without doing anything fancy.