Counter Balance

[Oouthere]

People need to realize that this site is a very cohesive group, a group that basically believes the same and enjoys doing so. But being part of a cohesive group also invites danger of suppressed free thinking.

I was once a "good little member" of this community but after deciding that logic also has its place, I was rather discarded and seem to be a poison in many people's eyes. But the truth is, if you are after truth then there is nothing to worry about with me. But if critical thinking skills are thrown to the wind then you should be glad someone like me is around.

Ask yourself, are you after truth or just pushing a belief you want to believe in? I'm after truth, I don't care where it leads me. How about you?

These are some excerpts from business thoughts on cohesive groups....

"...Groupthink occurs when group members are reluctant to express dissenting opinions to avoid causing disharmony within a cohesive group. Opinions held by the majority or by key group members are regarded as unanimous and alternative views are discouraged.

...Members of cohesive groups rely heavily on each other and resist external ideas and input. This can lead to isolation and a feeling of superiority over others in the organizations. As a result, cohesive groups find it difficult to change their values, actions or behaviors, particularly when the change is driven by external forces. Even if an individual member of the group becomes convinced of the need for change, he may find it difficult to put into practice due to the strength of the group dynamic......"

Just because someone is a pilot, general in the Army, or a scientist does not mean they are any more of an expert in a field that someone intensely studying that particular subject. Simply put, think for yourself. If something does not sound right, do not be afraid to think otherwise.

People on this site are of good heart imo, but critical thinking really needs to be re-imposed to keep a good counter balance of "this side" (i.e. physical), and "that side (i.e. astral). The rules in here do not bend like the rules over there...

[loungelizard]

Groupthink occurs when group members are reluctant to express dissenting opinions to avoid causing disharmony within a cohesive group. Opinions held by the majority or by key group members are regarded as unanimous and alternative views are discouraged.

It's so important to remember this...:o Thanks for your thoughts!

[Snowflower]

On the Lindsey Williams thread, my perception of what you posted in response to me indicated that you had no understanding at all about what I had said. I am thinking that possibly your attitude about what is said here is filtered through your comprehension or lack thereof?

[powessy]

People need to realize that this site is a very cohesive group, a group that basically believes the same and enjoys doing so. But being part of a cohesive group also invites danger of suppressed free thinking.

I was once a "good little member" of this community but after deciding that logic also has its place, I was rather discarded and seem to be a poison in many people's eyes. But the truth is, if you are after truth then there is nothing to worry about with me. But if critical thinking skills are thrown to the wind then you should be glad someone like me is around.

Ask yourself, are you after truth or just pushing a belief you want to believe in? I'm after truth, I don't care where it leads me. How about you?

These are some excerpts from business thoughts on cohesive groups....

"...Groupthink occurs when group members are reluctant to express dissenting opinions to avoid causing disharmony within a cohesive group. Opinions held by the majority or by key group members are regarded as unanimous and alternative views are discouraged.

...Members of cohesive groups rely heavily on each other and resist external ideas and input. This can lead to isolation and a feeling of superiority over others in the organizations. As a result, cohesive groups find it difficult to change their values, actions or behaviors, particularly when the change is driven by external forces. Even if an individual member of the group becomes convinced of the need for change, he may find it difficult to put into practice due to the strength of the group dynamic......"

Just because someone is a pilot, general in the Army, or a scientist does not mean they are any more of an expert in a field that someone intensely studying that particular subject. Simply put, think for yourself. If something does not sound right, do not be afraid to think otherwise.

People on this site are of good heart imo, but critical thinking really needs to be re-imposed to keep a good counter balance of "this side" (i.e. physical), and "that side (i.e. astral). The rules in here do not bend like the rules over there...

Hello Oouthere

There are thousands and thousands of books, videos, blogs, web sites and people all proclaiming to know the truth, which truth or belief are you searching for? I have been scouring the internet for months trying to find truths but every time I think I have a good understanding of something, there is an equally valid truth to counter that which I thought I already had. I have found that observation and partial bits of information have led me to find some of the pieces I have been looking for.

We all find our truths differently through many means, these truths are what gets us through each and everyday. The question is what truth do you seek or are willing to believe? We can then theoretically build around these criteria with all the information you want from a vast collection of beliefs and literature.

[Oouthere]

How many people do you think actually listens to Lindsey Williams? How many times has the main stream media highlighted his information? We are of little or no consequence to those that pull the strings. Most consider us fringe and not right in the mind for believing outside of the mainstream.

I understood exactly what you were getting at, but what I'm saying is why can't a person simply have acquaintances in high places that are simply friends? I do not see a conspiracy in everything, most things happen simply because it is human nature and not some divine/evil plan ruling over everything. At least that's what the evidence shows. There are certainly evil people in high places but there are also good ones as well.

But yes, my perception (just like everyone else's) is filtered through all of my physical and experiential filters. That's why when I see RB-211 engine parts laying around in Pentagon photographs I conclude that a 757 hit the Pentagon. All but a handful jump to some other conclusion that in no way can account for all of the physical details. So who has faulty comprehension, the one that takes physical evidence for what it is or one that has to jump through invisible hoops with unknown technology to simulate such "circumstantial" evidence?

[Oouthere]

Hi Powessy,

To me that's exactly what a person should do, and that's what I do. You can ask anyone that knows me if I will change my mind when evidence is provided that contradicts my previous beliefs. I do not see a lot of people doing that though.

If someone tells me to call on Jesus and he will save you in time of need, and I can find numerous reports of Christian missionaries being killed simply for being Christian....I'd say that advice has a major fallacy. If someone tells me that if you do not accept "insert appropriate god name here" you will die, disappear, burn in hell or whatever else then I'd suggest that is a major fallacy. How can god say, "Well, they didn't know about _______, too bad they weren't even born yet. But hey, rules are rules." I think that is a major fallacy.

But anyway, I long for information that cannot be disproven because there's not much of it around in the astral though there is plenty in the physical.

[DeDukshyn]

People need to realize that this site is a very cohesive group, a group that basically believes the same and enjoys doing so. But being part of a cohesive group also invites danger of suppressed free thinking.

I was once a "good little member" of this community but after deciding that logic also has its place, I was rather discarded and seem to be a poison in many people's eyes. But the truth is, if you are after truth then there is nothing to worry about with me. But if critical thinking skills are thrown to the wind then you should be glad someone like me is around.

Ask yourself, are you after truth or just pushing a belief you want to believe in? I'm after truth, I don't care where it leads me. How about you?

These are some excerpts from business thoughts on cohesive groups....

"...Groupthink occurs when group members are reluctant to express dissenting opinions to avoid causing disharmony within a cohesive group. Opinions held by the majority or by key group members are regarded as unanimous and alternative views are discouraged.

...Members of cohesive groups rely heavily on each other and resist external ideas and input. This can lead to isolation and a feeling of superiority over others in the organizations. As a result, cohesive groups find it difficult to change their values, actions or behaviors, particularly when the change is driven by external forces. Even if an individual member of the group becomes convinced of the need for change, he may find it difficult to put into practice due to the strength of the group dynamic......"

Just because someone is a pilot, general in the Army, or a scientist does not mean they are any more of an expert in a field that someone intensely studying that particular subject. Simply put, think for yourself. If something does not sound right, do not be afraid to think otherwise.

People on this site are of good heart imo, but critical thinking really needs to be re-imposed to keep a good counter balance of "this side" (i.e. physical), and "that side (i.e. astral). The rules in here do not bend like the rules over there...

Hello Oouthere

There are thousands and thousands of books, videos, blogs, web sites and people all proclaiming to know the truth, which truth or belief are you searching for? I have been scouring the internet for months trying to find truths but every time I think I have a good understanding of something, there is an equally valid truth to counter that which I thought I already had. I have found that observation and partial bits of information have led me to find some of the pieces I have been looking for.

We all find our truths differently through many means, these truths are what gets us through each and everyday. The question is what truth do you seek or are willing to believe? We can then theoretically build around these criteria with all the information you want from a vast collection of beliefs and literature.

Well said.

The "Truth" cannot be conveyed in words, in movies, in music, in math; in it's entirely it cannot even be conceptualized within linguistically structured thought. It may be that thinking that we will find it in this way is hampering our efforts to "find" it ;)
Few are searching for their truths within present centered "experience", which is, in my opinion a far better place to start looking. ;)

So when we speak of "Truths" in the 3D realm, we all have to keep in mind that the "Truth" cannot be found, it will continue to develop and change and manifest as our conscious experiences grows to envelope and understand more and more, the "Truth" actually "IS" the experience of the present moment. It is not some finite, measurable thing that one can "attain" in completeness; As Powessy said, finding one will always open a plethora of new questions - this process does not end.

If we drill down until we get to binary questions, (we call these "facts"), we get exciting new glimpses of the "Truth", right? For example, let's say we have drilled down to the binary question, "Do ETs exists on Earth?" and we all agree the answer is "yes" and we finally have verifiable proof, look how many new questions that opens up. You get further and further from the truth often, because usually more than one question opens up for each binary question answered.

"Believe Nothing, Consider Everything" and learn the value of centered experience is what I am striving for. My 2 cents ;)


Anyway, I tangent-ed a little there for the main topic ... =)

[powessy]

Well said.

The "Truth" cannot be conveyed in words, in movies, in music, in math; in it's entirely it cannot even be conceptualized within linguistically structured thought. It may be that thinking that we will find it in this way is hampering our efforts to "find" it ;)
Few are searching for their truths within present centered "experience", which is, in my opinion a far better place to start looking. ;)

So when we speak of "Truths" in the 3D realm, we all have to keep in mind that the "Truth" cannot be found, it will continue to develop and change and manifest as our conscious experiences grows to envelope and understand more and more, the "Truth" actually "IS" the experience of the present moment. It is not some finite, measurable thing that one can "attain" in completeness; As Powessy said, finding one will always open a plethora of new questions - this process does not end.

If we drill down until we get to binary questions, (we call these "facts"), we get exciting new glimpses of the "Truth", right? For example, let's say we have drilled down to the binary question, "Do ETs exists on Earth?" and we all agree the answer is "yes" and we finally have verifiable proof, look how many new questions that opens up. You get further and further from the truth often, because usually more than one question opens up for each binary question answered.

"Believe Nothing, Consider Everything" and learn the value of centered experience is what I am striving for. My 2 cents ;)


Anyway, I tangent-ed a little there for the main topic ... =)

Hello DeDukshyn

I have stopped looking for truths provided by others and have decided to seek the truths that are presented to me through meditation and center balance. Truth is what each and everyone of us is willing to accept through life experiences and societal influences. A child born to a normal christian family will most likely follow that path and those installed beliefs. Even if we are presented with the truth would we believe all of it, or would we continue to question it twisting it till it meets our own liking. So for truth, I believe it is only a carrot in front of the proverbial ass, it is when we silence our minds and remove the mind chains formed by a lifetime of distractions that we will then finally just realize we can reach out and eat that damn carrot with ease.

[powessy]

Hi Powessy,

To me that's exactly what a person should do, and that's what I do. You can ask anyone that knows me if I will change my mind when evidence is provided that contradicts my previous beliefs. I do not see a lot of people doing that though.

If someone tells me to call on Jesus and he will save you in time of need, and I can find numerous reports of Christian missionaries being killed simply for being Christian....I'd say that advice has a major fallacy. If someone tells me that if you do not accept "insert appropriate god name here" you will die, disappear, burn in hell or whatever else then I'd suggest that is a major fallacy. How can god say, "Well, they didn't know about _______, too bad they weren't even born yet. But hey, rules are rules." I think that is a major fallacy.

But anyway, I long for information that cannot be disproven because there's not much of it around in the astral though there is plenty in the physical.

Hello Oouthere

Do you have a closeness or affinity to the astral, if you do I will talk of this. I am sick of the truths presented here in the physical, lets try and see what truths are to be found in the astral.

I will start with a truth about the astral, one I have come to believe since I have spent most of my life there.

Truth number 1{ The astral is only a tool for learning and communicating between here and the veil. }

if you agree then thank me for this post, if you do not agree then thank my next post

[powessy]

Truth number 1{ The astral is only a tool for learning and communicating between here and the veil. }

if you disagree with this then thank me for this post. please explain your experiences and how you came to your belief.

[DeDukshyn]

Well said.

The "Truth" cannot be conveyed in words, in movies, in music, in math; in it's entirely it cannot even be conceptualized within linguistically structured thought. It may be that thinking that we will find it in this way is hampering our efforts to "find" it ;)
Few are searching for their truths within present centered "experience", which is, in my opinion a far better place to start looking. ;)

So when we speak of "Truths" in the 3D realm, we all have to keep in mind that the "Truth" cannot be found, it will continue to develop and change and manifest as our conscious experiences grows to envelope and understand more and more, the "Truth" actually "IS" the experience of the present moment. It is not some finite, measurable thing that one can "attain" in completeness; As Powessy said, finding one will always open a plethora of new questions - this process does not end.

If we drill down until we get to binary questions, (we call these "facts"), we get exciting new glimpses of the "Truth", right? For example, let's say we have drilled down to the binary question, "Do ETs exists on Earth?" and we all agree the answer is "yes" and we finally have verifiable proof, look how many new questions that opens up. You get further and further from the truth often, because usually more than one question opens up for each binary question answered.

"Believe Nothing, Consider Everything" and learn the value of centered experience is what I am striving for. My 2 cents ;)


Anyway, I tangent-ed a little there for the main topic ... =)

Hello DeDukshyn

I have stopped looking for truths provided by others and have decided to seek the truths that are presented to me through meditation and center balance. Truth is what each and everyone of us is willing to accept through life experiences and societal influences. A child born to a normal christian family will most likely follow that path and those installed beliefs. Even if we are presented with the truth would we believe all of it, or would we continue to question it twisting it till it meets our own liking. So for truth, I believe it is only a carrot in front of the proverbial ass, it is when we silence our minds and remove the mind chains formed by a lifetime of distractions that we will then finally just realize we can reach out and eat that damn carrot with ease.

I would say I concur with your implication - the truth is a bit like that greener grass on the other side. And add that at times the chasing of that carrot is a reward in itself, the value of what there is. It can lead on some great adventures, lest we not forget the fact we are just on an adventure! (which we do to our detriment - it's a rather persistent illusion, this thing we call reality ;))

[Oouthere]

Hiya Powessy,

I only see reality as here and there, else my sanity and ability to function in both would have disappeared a long time ago. The universal mind experiences allowed me to understand that everything is consciousness and not necessarily energy as is usually taught.

At one time I meditated daily but finally got to a point that my mind never rested because of seldom losing consciousness. I spent so much time on the other side while fully conscious that the lines started becoming blurred. That's when you understand that what "they" show you does not necessarily apply here.

[powessy]

Hiya Powessy,

I only see reality as here and there, else my sanity and ability to function in both would have disappeared a long time ago. The universal mind experiences allowed me to understand that everything is consciousness and not necessarily energy as is usually taught.

At one time I meditated daily but finally got to a point that my mind never rested because of seldom losing consciousness. I spent so much time on the other side while fully conscious that the lines started becoming blurred. That's when you understand that what "they" show you does not necessarily apply here.

I have grown up on both sides, so for now my sanity is in check. There it is a different place, but it may contain the answers I seek, I find dissecting my astral projections along with physical confrontations from the veil help balance my thinking. If it weren't for my soul and higher self, plus guides I would be seeking permanent residency at the local pillow wall factory. I believe the answers lie between the lines and constantly check all the facts given to me from both sides. I listen and believe them as much as I listen and believe anyone here but perhaps between both the answers will become transparent.

This is your thread do you want me to continue posting things that I have come to believe through my experiences.

[Oouthere]

Of course! Please post about your experiences! I take other people's experiences to be just as valid as my own, perhaps even more as they may have a higher understanding (i.e. Tom Campbell) of a "more ultimate" truth :)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Good thread -- fits well w/ some animal discussions I had w/ Bobd! :)

re: groupthink being a fetter.

[DeDukshyn]

The problem with "groupthink" isn't the group or the think. The problem is the unspoken conspiracy all humans implement to ensure not to say or do something because they fear offending someone's feelings, fear being "chastised", fear being "wrong", etc.

The root of the problem is allowing value be assigned to fear and judgement to the point where it augments what we really want to express. It is the same problem that is responsible for humanity being "domesticated" in the sense we all make decisions based on fear. because that is how we've been programmed, and we all do it autonomously and without thought or review.

To think that thinking like-mindedly to someone else is the problem is to not understand the problem properly. To not understand the problem properly means any potential "solution" will be ineffective at best. I do not advocate throwing out babies, but rather being aware of what the actual root problems are. I don't have the problem of speaking my mind in a group, at all (many here may concur), because I understand what the problem is and how it is formed. So the "handicap" can actually be easily overcome where the benefits of thinking in or as a group can be maximized without the potential downside that is caused from our "cult"-urally programmed use of fear for decision making.

It is also not a requirement to "pick a side" or "have a belief" -- another catalyst in the problems that can come along with group thinking - people think that "you have to believe something! You have to have a side!" No you don't. Just consider everything. One is also allowed to change their thinking, if even for the purpose of getting your brain "outside the box" for a superior perspective.

My 2 cents ;)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Well, what if the group has excessive reactions?
Or not enough reaction to wrongness?
What if the group tends to avoid pain?
What if part of the group is masochistic and loves pain?

There is potential for harm.
Altho I agree with part of that.

[powessy]

First of all I like to say my reason for coming to this site was to find people of like mindedness, a place where I didn't need to be afraid to say what was on my mind, I have learned otherwise. I will try to explain the things that I am experiencing even though they are only my own experiences, but perhaps they will shine a bigger light on the things others are feeling and sensing.

I will start first of all with my avatar. My avatar is a drawing I drafted after standing in my back yard, around the end of April. On that night I stood out in my back yard around 1:00 am and stood there watching the night sky, I thought to myself it would be nice if they could give me some sign that they were actually here since days prior to getting out of bed I received a message (WE ARE HERE) repeatedly over and over again. I will go into more detail on this later as to how I can communicate and hear them. Anyway, The night sky was heavy with spring moisture and the clouds lingered lower to the ground on that night. Suddenly I saw the outline of something large drifting only around a 100 feet above me rapidly but slow enough for me to make out the symbol that was on the underside of this large ship. since that night I have seen several other ships but all at high altitude much higher then any planes I have ever seen.

I only have this symbol so to me this is one of the pieces of the puzzle I need to solve. Has anyone ever seen this symbol before.

[DeDukshyn]

Well, what if the group has excessive reactions?
Or not enough reaction to wrongness?
What if the group tends to avoid pain?
What if part of the group is masochistic and loves pain?

There is potential for harm.
Altho I agree with part of that.

I do agree that diversification within any group is important, but even it can become easily subdued in an environment ripe with fear and judgement; I would rather challenge each individual to allow themselves the power of consideration without belief. Even if a group has a lot of very like mindedness, as long as the majority have the ability to perceive from other views temporarily and report back the view, the diversification for full spectrum intelligent debate can be met.

Some people don't appreciate diversification enough -- I certainly can concur with that, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't still be able to also see and appreciate the benefits of what like minded groups has to offer. It's all about the mechanisms of action, not necessarily the mechanism itself, to use a metaphor.

My 2 cents.

[Oouthere]

I only remember one symbol and it reminded me of a "C" that is turned 45 degrees. I would see 6 symbol sets and it seemed a program would run that set the emotions, gave necessary intel, and somehow gave me a full understanding of the subject at hand. Very interesting experiences and useful when playing war in the Matrix.

[powessy]

I only remember one symbol and it reminded me of a "C" that is turned 45 degrees. I would see 6 symbol sets and it seemed a program would run that set the emotions, gave necessary intel, and somehow gave me a full understanding of the subject at hand. Very interesting experiences and useful when playing war in the Matrix.

Hello Oouthere

One of the biggest problems with group think is that here there is no defined group, this leaves the door open to whoever wants to come in and change the intent of the group think. The other problem such as DeDukshyn has stated is that of constant misdirection through fear and judgment. I see so many topics flow through here each and everyday some are genuine but other are drafted from pages of distraction and misguidance. I am only going to share my personal images through astral projections, obes, touch and what I have seen with my own two eyes. I don't realy know where to begin so I am going to start with a recent astral projection one I also shared elsewhere on this forum

An example of a astral message that I received this morning.

Today I awoke to an astral projected dream and new lesson that seems appropriate to the problems I am having I wish to share.

I found myself at this house where a man was testing me on my knowledge of things around me and my sense of the astral and the veil. There were younger children around they were all playing some games, watching tv and others just doing regular things children do screaming, playing and laughing. The man said I passed the astral and obe portion of the test but had one more thing he wanted me to do, a board puzzle. I sat down in front of this multi-tiered puzzle which had many boards all representing different tests he used. A woman entered the room she seems to be in her mid-forties and had a long connection to this man, she wanted advice from him but he was compelled to get me to finish his test so she went and sat in a sofa chair. I looked up at her and she just stared back agitated, this attitude seemed to be off putting to me but I felt compelled to begin, by this time I was unsure of the puzzle he had pointed to but grabbed the closest one to the vicinity that he had pointed.

As I grabbed the puzzle the lights started to dim and all I could soon see is a young boy sitting in front of the tv with the light it was emitting, The puzzle changed and they all started to fall towards the table top from where they were originally positioned, now all I could remember was some small aspects of the puzzles texture which I was feeling for in the dark trying to still put it together. Soon the lights started to come back on and as I looked down at the puzzle in my hand I soon realized the pieces had all changed and I wasn’t even holding any of the pieces I thought I had gained during the darkness.

The message I received from this is I have the power inside of me to figure out the puzzle but I still stand in the dark, if I wish to see the actual pieces I need to bring them into the light to see them for what they truly are, In Hinduism They call this MAYA. The other thing I see here that may be causing interference is all the distractions around me but this is a life one must endure when one has four children and a spouse , so the answers will come they just might not come as fast I hoped for.

The half silhouette is supposed to be me but I left out the top half so you can see the puzzle as I seen it. I am going to draw many pictures so to give you a better insight to what I am seeing. I am sorry for I am not the best drawer but I think they will suffice for this purpose.

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I have been doing allot of thinking on this astral projection and now have come to a different conclusion to its meaning. I now understand he did not want me to just solve one of the puzzles but the whole stand in itself was the puzzle showing me that it is not just one puzzle but many, all part of the same puzzle interconnectedness.

I will talk later about the "c" that you have seen in your mind somthing about it sounds familiar but I need you to give me more info as to the symbol sets you are referring to.

[DeDukshyn]

Here, myself and Powessy have had the table turned. In this thread we are the example of the outlaws and the group consensus of this thread (I used the "thanks" and former comments to determine this- not the best but it is the method this forum uses) and the "groupthink" has become the ideas of Ooutthere and the others (no offense intended - great thread). ;)

So, how does this view feel now? From my perspective, everything is still working perfectly fine. ;)

Again, there will be some individuals who don't understand the power judgement and fear has over them, there will be those individuals that have tendency to be disruptive to new ideas, these have nothing to do with groups; at the same time there will be groups who "get it wrong" -- how is this different from an individual who "gets it wrong" - no one is forcing anyone to be part of a group, then, even before that -- define "wrong" and how they are wrong. Unless someone puts up valid arguments worth considering, everyone has the potential to be wrong, and if enough fall into this category -- so can a group. But what is "wrong"?. Their opinions? Or the fact that one took their opinions as fact and had a judgemental emotional reaction based in fear of being "wrong" for having a different stance than their opinions?

Yet have we both (myself and Powessy) not been able to be "wrong" (in the context of this thread) and yet still have interjected, somewhat successfully our views? Perhaps individual fear of not being able to convey ones intention contributes to this phenomenon, and perhaps each of us contribute? I think some deep thought on this may be warranted here. My 2 cents ;)

[powessy]

Here, myself and Powessy have had the table turned. In this thread we are the example of the outlaws and the group consensus of this thread (I used the "thanks" and former comments to determine this- not the best but it is the method this forum uses) and the "groupthink" has become the ideas of Ooutthere and the others (no offense intended - great thread). ;)

So, how does this view feel now? From my perspective, everything is still working perfectly fine. ;)

Again, there will be some individuals who don't understand the power judgement and fear has over them, there will be those individuals that have tendency to be disruptive to new ideas, these have nothing to do with groups; at the same time there will be groups who "get it wrong" -- how is this different from an individual who "gets it wrong" - no one is forcing anyone to be part of a group, then, even before that -- define "wrong" and how they are wrong. Unless someone puts up valid arguments worth considering, everyone has the potential to be wrong, and if enough fall into this category -- so can a group. But what is "wrong"?. Their opinions? Or the fact that one took their opinions as fact and had a judgemental emotional reaction based in fear of being "wrong" for having a different stance than their opinions?

Yet have we both (myself and Powessy) not been able to be "wrong" (in the context of this thread) and yet still have interjected, somewhat successfully our views? Perhaps individual fear of not being able to convey ones intention contributes to this phenomenon, and perhaps each of us contribute? I think some deep thought on this may be warranted here. My 2 cents ;)

hello DeDukshyn

I have come to many realizations in my life that all lead to one simple conclusion and that is if I can not feel it, see it or see how it works I will not fully believe it to be true. I live in the united states and they tell me that putting fluoride in my water is good for me and it is scientifically proven to be effective. They tell me that eating sugary foods, wheat and vegetable oils will not harm me but I know better. I trusted the groups that came up with these reports and followed them to improve my health and over all life but I soon realized these groups had an agenda(greed), now I don't no if I can ever trust them again or not. The internet has done the same thing with so many pages of misdirection and gain orientated so called spiritual advisers lining their pockets with the blood sweat and tears of those wishing for a better tomorrow. The problem I will get is that the things I am feeling and seeing, others do not see them nor feel them so how can I expect them to believe if they hold my same beliefs.

I want to share this problem with someone but I have no one to share it with for they will not be able to share in the feelings I am going through. If someone says they were abducted by a UFO, the first thing that pops to mind is, are they sane or looking for attention never mind the bruises or strange cuts and markings, we can also explain away these to. When someone gets into an accident we wonder if they were drinking or on drugs never mind the roads were wet and slippery, we are all guilty of this. Whether it is a group or only and individual we are defined by the things we believe to be our truths whether they came to us through insight, parental upbringing or years of society conditioning our thoughts.

All one can truly do is put it out there weight the responses verses your perceived belief, and then maintain it, disregard it or seek out other groups. The funny thing is it only takes one person to confirm or destroy an idea but on the other hand we can ultimately search high enough and low enough to find a group that believes everything one says.

Just a few late night ramblings from the USA.

[powessy]

I have awoken to early morning thoughts jumbled up in my head I thought I would share for it is connected to the puzzle. First some explanation and fragments that have brought on these ideas.

I am still trying to feel or conceptualize how the higher self and the soul is partnered within our existence. Many people here say they have awoken but my idea of awakening is not knowing something else is out there or that the world is unjust and our government is trying to kill us softly, these are just thoughts that feed or fear of death and incite panic. Who cares if aliens exist what if you are one of them, if things seem unjust change your perspective, job, life or what ever it takes for you to feel comfortable, There is no mess you can't walk away from. The government may indeed have an agenda but it is the greed and control they want that has placed these feeling upon our breasts, I refuse to be a puppet dangling on strings.

My awakening was the ascension of my soul within my body, the feeling of our connection as we became one. ever since our connection many images and past memories have started to become clear.

Oouthere

you spoke of a "c" laying on it's side well it is the letter sets that make me question your memories and this is why. During the first part of my awakening somthing became apparent to me and that is my eyes had the ability to dowse, move in conversation instead of audible tones. Well a month ago something else was added to this, a new tool for conversation but not meant for me but for him. it is a adaptation to the eye, on Saturday they came and inserted something into my eye socket It felt like a spring or the ribs of a spring. I was annoyed because I didn't understand for it takes around a day for these things to initiate and start working. These items are being placed in Powessy not actually me but as we merge I am feeling these things with more physical pressure. Well Sunday night during meditation I could feel someone trying to communicate on my eye but it felt like the Doctor that put it there since he played with the eye for quite some time getting it to move accurately. The motions are similar to cell phone keyboard the Swype method. I am unable to follow the speed and letters being used but they are meant for Powessy. There are three levels of letters and numbers stacked in a three dimensional grid of sorts. I Don't have the sensitivity myself to feel the change from one board to the next but perhaps in time. Though this is a new development it is more for him then me I think, for during meditation I am still able to float into conversations.

The next following weekend Just prior to falling into a deep sleep his eyes opened and the grid was down. The grid that I see is the main reason I started my search and the real push for answers, this grid has been preventing me from OBEing which is the very reason I live for. As I looked forward I seen this next image one of a high tech medical room I believe upon a ship but this is just speculation. The sight only lasted a few seconds and I was drawn to the screen with the circles on it so the rest of the room is hazy and lost to the short duration of this experience. I am showing the image from a second person point of view but the event happened in first person. The blanket was the grid I see through the veil but now I see it does not just cover my eyes it its over my whole body. I believe the blanket/grid is what keeps me and him separated.



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So here is the early morning thought that has been rolling through my head it would be nice to get some feed back on this.

I believe many thought's and misdirection can be solved with this idea though it is only that an idea. Many people claim to have been abducted taken up into a ship and things placed into them or things done to them. The feeling of paralysis is common in OBErs and floating through things, then you have the bright lights and then the operating room or just a room in a ship. What if this is just the movement between your soul/higher self here and your higher dimensional body already there, or some combination of this effect. Just an idea I need to ponder at more depth, can anyone add to this.

[powessy]

Oouthere

Do you think this is still a group topic one in which you can share or contribute. Should I allow this thread to die quietly our do you wish for me to continue, before you decide I will share one more piece something others can use to gain center during their meditations.

My awakening began with a pendulum, my old high school class ring. During my channeling I would place my head down on my hands with my eyes closed and to my amazement I could see the rope and an object at the end of it. I started to twirl this pendulum within my mind and could see the answers to my questions here instead of the actual pendulum in my hand. Now this piece connects the previous piece listed in my last response to one another. One day as I was speaking to myself regarding a conversation I had with my guide my eyes started to move in the motions of the pendulum. I was also picking up on some not so nice entities in the veil which were trying to gain information about other things. Anyway an angel came to me and told me to rest for one hour she would stop this so I went up to take a nap and a hour later I awoke but this movement of the eyes continued for several more hours, I was relieved when it ended for it was very distracting. Now when I looked within my minds eye all I could see is a white string long and unconnected to any objects. The fact this took several hours to take effect could have something to do with the proximity of my higher dimensional self and me or just it takes that long for the change to take place. It took several weeks of seeking balance and center to finally ask to have the eyes redone but this time I asked for less sensitivity one that did not interfere so much, this took several hours to redo and a couple times of rework to get it to act correctly.

The weights in my minds pendulum have been changed several times, and I do not now there purpose yet.

I want to speak of an event that occurred yesterday. I started to twirl the object at the end of the rope, something was strange, normally I can increase the diameter of the rope and move it in any direction I want with extreme accuracy, like a flexible snake. As I started my centering meditation I noticed I was being contained by something that was unseen, I used the weight at the end, a breaking ball given to me (A black sphere) to break through the barrier. I watched the wall break into thousands of pieces shattering into the veil, I continued to extend the rope but something was still there. I then started to twirl the rope again and this time it was like splinters or toothpicks as they broke away, I became frustrated and stopped. Powessy has a special chakra that I use to contain things and hold things, I went to the wall and touched it with the end of the rope infusing this chakra into the wall it lit up a path leading back to the caster. I followed the wall to a door and went inside and in the middle of the room stood a pregnant nun her habit was dark and the image was gray in scale so I could not make out her face. I called her soul to the light and she came out from the darkness. Do you think the church may be hiding something or was this the nun that invoked this illusion to contain. I try to stay out of this view but from time to time I revisit to see if my balance has gotten better, which it has for now I have a strong center point from which to swing my rope with extreme speeds but if my focus drifts any it becomes unstable.

Here is the vision as I saw it

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[powessy]

The next piece of the puzzle is one that has been with me since I was 13 or so. I have had thousands of obes and astral projections but I only recall them starting around this age. The thing I remember the most is looking out my basement window and making a clear image of this window in my mind. My body position for obe is flat on my back, feet loosely wrapped in my blankets to hold them together, my arms bent and fingers interwoven just above my navel. I would use a twist method to release my mind from everything, What I mean by this is I would imagine turning my body from side to side and then all the way around sometimes I could no longer discern which direction I was in. I would also at the same time slow my heart through deep breathing and focus on the point above my shoulders and on my feet slowly relaxing myself till almost paralysis. The trick to obe is mind awake body asleep this saying is so true. Anyway I would try and imagine the window and flying out of it but as I did this something else showed up in this window view, a man standing on a bridge in front of a building of sorts and a door with a very bright light emitted through it. This person has been with me ever since, his name is powessy. I then heard the words " spirits of evil and good enter into my body and soul, walk with me down the path of limbo with good on my right and evil on my left, walk with me into the light" this has been my mantra ever since.

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Powessy seven months ago ascended into me this I clearly felt as he move up my body till we intertwined into one. A few day's before this happened a cat like person walked up to me as I came out of my afternoon nap she was very beautiful but startled me a little. Her eyes stared into mine and for two days I could see them separated on each side of my head they seemed to be burnt into my head then they condensed into one eye just above my forehead. The next day proceeding the eye, and during meditation I felt another presence this time it was something else a bright light that had a oval form move up behind me. As the light moved up behind me and with it's tentacles pressed them into my neck filling my blood with light, I could close my eyes and see my mouth open and close and my tongue moving around in my mouth, I could also feel it move throughout my entire body, this was so weird. Once this process was completed he then ascended within me. I have read many articles on walk-in's and found this one post recently from a member of a starseed forum, I am posting her information and my response to it.


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Thought this might be interesting reading- Hope you like it!

Starseeds
Not everyone on earth is from earth. There are those who are here from other planets and civilizations in this and other universes. And though they walk around in human bodies, many have forms that are not human. Many are drawn to animals and other life forms on earth that, in fact, closely resemble their true form. For example, some are very drawn to dolphins; there is a race of Beings called the Nommos who live on a planet in the Sirius star system. There are other factors indicating a starseed identity.

* They have an intense sense of loneliness.
* They feel like they don’t belong in their earth family.
* They have a fascination with the stars and feel as though their home is out there, but they can’t remember where.
* They begin to question the ways of earth at an early age. Many are the black sheep of their family.
* They are drawn to metaphysics seeking answers to why they feel so alone and why they don’t seem to fit in on earth.
* Many have an adversarial relationship with the parent of the opposite sex.
* The majority of starseeds have the facial shape of their mother but the remainder of their physical body is like that of their fathers, or the other way around depending on which parent is the real parent, the starseed parent from off planet. This is done for a reason.
* Lower than normal body temperature and inability to handle heat.
* The majority of starseeds and walk-ins carry the Crystal Gene for DNA Recoding/Ascension. Once activated, the crystal gene allows for clearer guidance with beings on other dimensions. It acts as a guidance system of sorts, keeping the individual on course in their respective mission. It allows for quicker understanding of the emotional blocks that must be cleared in order to recompile DNA via DNA Recoding.
* Many feel drawn to do grid and vortex work.

Starseeds commonly have three parents, two Earth parents and one off-world parent. For example there can be an off-world father. In this case the Earth father will be the surrogate. There are also instances when a child has two or more off-world parents, each one contributing DNA to create the starseeded child. These are unique instances and more than I want to cover here.

There is a contract made between the earth parent and the off-world parent, for the earth parent to love and rear the starseed child. Many times the earth parent is a starseed as well.

The starseed child looks more like the surrogate earth parent to ensure that they are accepted by that parent at birth. In the majority of cases the off-world parent is not of human origin as the human species is the least prolific in our universe.

Starseeds are here on earth as representatives of their civilizations. Their purpose is to create templates that can be used by the members of their home world to overcome some problem that hinders their spiritual evolution as a soul group.

I am told that 144,000 civilizations have sent some of their people to earth as starseeds. These civilizations closely watch their beloved children while here on earth. The real parent, the starseed parent, is usually a guide for his child while that child is on earth. It is my understanding that this is why so many starseeds have experienced visitations from an early age. Their family on their home world uses many ways to communicate and maintain the connection and love bond with their family member on earth. This is also why so many civilizations have ships orbiting earth right now. They have family here and therefore have a vested interest in seeing that earth ascends.

Walk-ins

Walk-ins are people from other dimensions who have walked in to the body of a person on earth. In all cases there is a pre-birth contract for this to occur.

Some walk-ins come into much younger bodies, but this is more the exception than the rule. When a child walk-in occurs, it is because the soul coming in needs the experiences of childhood and adolescence as a foundation for their mission. Childhood and adolescent walk-ins usually don’t awaken until they reach adulthood. More often than not, walk-ins step in when the host soul has reached adulthood. This allows them to utilize the maturity and life experience gained by the host soul.

There are the types of walk-ins:

* Full soul exchange - The host soul vacates the body.
* Soul braid - the host soul receives and braids with the incoming walk-in soul for a specific length of time.
* Stasis walk-in - The least common of walk-ins and the one requiring the most experience. Most often used by the ancient time healers. A stasis walk-in in one whose body is in stasis on their home world while their consciousness projects into our world and animates a body that the host soul has vacated. The walk-in soul will leave the body during the sleeps state in order to return home to carry on their other life. This type of walk-in is temporary and lasts for the duration of a mission. The host soul can return once the walk-in’s mission is complete. The host soul is usually a time healer as well.

Indications of a walk-in are:

Usually occur during a traumatic event in the host soul’s life such as a severe illness or a car accident. Many come in during a near death experience. This is the most common way for walk-ins to exchange places, but it is not the only way. Yet, most all cases the walk-in occurs when the host is unconscious.

* Sudden onset of physical pain in the neck and shoulders that wasn’t there before the walk-in.
* Feel like an impostor within the family.
* Loss of coordination and memory lapses. Trouble with speech.
* Sudden change in tastes such as food, clothing and decor.
* Sudden loss of interest in career and hobbies. New ones are found along with a sudden interest in all things spiritual.
* Sudden change in relationships with family and friends. Some relationships become distant while others get stronger.
* Divorce occurs usually within 2 - 3 years after the walk-in has arrived.
* Strong knowing that they have a mission to accomplish though they may not remember what it is at the present time.
* Some walk-ins have memories of their home world or ship.
* Walk-ins usually carry the Crystal Gene.
* Many feel drawn to do grid and vortex work.

Walk-ins have a more challenging role on earth because they have spent most of their incarnation on another plane of existence and then come to earth in the middle to later part of that incarnation.

Lightworkers

Lightworkers are people who have chosen to do their part to assist Earth and Mankind in their ascension. Lightworker is a term given to those who are actively on the spiritual path. Not all Lightworkers are starseeds or walk-ins, and starseeds and walk-ins only become Lightworkers when they have made the conscious choice to begin their spiritual path and assist others.

Lightworker is also a term that can be used to describe the Etheric Sirian and Orion Human soul group. This group was the remnant of Lyran humans that survived the First Great Galactic War. They are the heirs of earth and having been here the longest are considered indigineous. For more information read We are the Nibiruans, Return of the 12th Planet, and The Mission Remembered.

Indications of a lightworker are:

* They experience an awakening and begin the Spiritual Path
* They have a deep heart connection to Earth and drawn to help save her.
* Many are drawn to grid and vortex earth

Love*Light

Ann


Here is my response to the stasis walk-in the one I believe is what I am going through.

"Stasis walk-in - The least common of walk-ins and the one requiring the most experience. Most often used by the ancient time healers. A stasis walk-in in one whose body is in stasis on their home world while their consciousness projects into our world and animates a body that the host soul has vacated. The walk-in soul will leave the body during the sleeps state in order to return home to carry on their other life. This type of walk-in is temporary and lasts for the duration of a mission. The host soul can return once the walk-in’s mission is complete. The host soul is usually a time healer as well."

There are a few things here that are not correct. I noticed my walk-in at an early age around 13 this was the first time I saw him. His name is powessy but he is linked to me as a primary shard of my existence. about eight years ago I had a out of body experience one that has left an ever lasting image in my head. The image was of a great white hall spanning a great distance but next to me was a sleeping pod one with a dark glass hatch that I could not see into, I believe my true form was inside of this pod. I met my guide through channeling seven months ago and he allowed me one last obe in this highest form, as I reached the end of the hall my consciousness drew back and I saw my higher self for the first time this is also a first for this type of experience, and I have had thousands of obes, right after this experience Powessy ascended within me but I also sense my higher self is close by. Once powessy had entered, he will remain till the end of this human life, how ever long that is. He is me and I am him, the reason they enter later in life and only when you are ready for them is once they have ascended everything in the veil can see you this would not be good for someone not prepared for this.

I enjoyed this article very much thank you

[Oouthere]

Wow, that's an interesting read! I've only had a couple of obe's and have tried to force them, but cannot.

There's very little talk of the cat people. I remember seeing a lion looking man in the corner of the room, him being very upset with me for leaving my house during a divorce. I'm not certain what happened, if we were "played" by "them" or what but we had several groups working with/for/against us.

[powessy]

Wow, that's an interesting read! I've only had a couple of obe's and have tried to force them, but cannot.

There's very little talk of the cat people. I remember seeing a lion looking man in the corner of the room, him being very upset with me for leaving my house during a divorce. I'm not certain what happened, if we were "played" by "them" or what but we had several groups working with/for/against us.

Oouthere

How did you feel during your obe experiences, were you afraid of them or did you embrace them. The mind and soul will only allow things that it feels you are ready for. Do you mind telling me about these experiences, I like to here how everyone else interprets their ob experience, perhaps I can help you move forward.

[powessy]

Today during my nap I had another piece of the puzzle handed to me. Over the last week things started to accelerate as more and more activity surrounded me, until today everything seemed to stop all of a sudden. The nun from the mind pendulum I have learned was in fact not a nun but the mother of the dark, or something like this. she was the tipping point in the battle for the soul as it continues within the veil. I do not yet know how to begin to tell you what things I am experiencing with out sounding like a nut job, so I am only going to post today's experience and then move backwards to discuss these other events later.

Today during nap I awoke to a obe/astral experience all the subtle feelings were present but it was different more of a combination of the two. I am also going to submit some words that I am learning with the eye thing, perhaps someone else has seen these symbols.

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The projection started out with me in bed just looking up at the wall at a dark area just under the trim. This was alarming because in times past very intelligent spiders would crawl along the walls and try and speak to me, but their words never seemed to make sense then. So I looked closer at the wall and realized the spot was due to water damage or something else. Then the noises of my family became apparent making me think this experience was going to break early but it didn't, which was so far realy good. The next thing I remember as my wife and daughters moved on, and now I was looking up at the ceiling but something was weird I only had one eye open and all that I could see is a black spot which caught my attention in the center of the ceiling. Then a spiral started to form through my vision moving its way up to the spot and this created a hole in the tiles my room has no tiles on the ceiling this was the indicator I was astral projecting. I sat up in my bed and looked at the wall to the south, the wall was cement blocks with a large window in it covered in news paper. I stood up and walked over to the wall and above the window I could see writing, a lot of writing. When I am astral I try not to focus on words or object to closely this normally breaks the experience and back to the body I go. I felt compelled to read the words but asked for them to hold me so I would not project back, and they did. I grabbed a lamp off a filing cabinet near the wall, it was already lit so all I had to do is hold it up to read the words. This is the image I am showing you here.

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I tore the news paper off the wall and looked through the window to see two workers and other things going on in the next room. As I awoke the experience has left me angry, how does he expect to keep all the souls of those he does not own. They want the rest of humanity to stay here and work for them as the men represent the workers and builders we also describe them as the sleepers/sheep. A new phase is going to start after today, I am unsure of the outcome but I will not allow anyone to be left behind. I am going to stop here for now I need to figure out how to approach the rest of this puzzle. Can anyone else tell me what they think the words mean and what they think the workers symbolize?

[powessy]

As a young child around 7 or 8 I can remember my mother walking into my bedroom looking for me, what she didn't know as she entered is that I was sleeping under the bed. She asked me, son why are you sleeping under the bed? and I told her " when they come in my room at night they will think no one is here and go away". She told me that I had nothing to fear and if something was in my room it would also hide under the bed, she just didn't understand. My mother told me that there were faeries in the walls that would watching over me, this helped but they still came anyways. As I got older I could manipulate my dreams I have never had a night mare other then lessons I needed to learn, things I tried to avoid thinking about would pop into my dreams making me face these things head on for the dreams would stay with me for many years. I have memories as a young child of things I couldn't have done where do these bits come from as I carry their weight with me everyday.

As I got older My astral experiences and obes became an obsession the question to a different reality stood posed in my mind, what are these things and the people here who are they? I do not normally dream of people I know, only ones I have never met, What is the reason for this. In my life time I have had less then a handful of dreams consisting of close family or friends. As I got older my mantra seemed to hold power, as I would see souls and ghosts moving towards me and vanish through me, this happened every night and all night as they would just keep coming.

Recently I have been asking my self how many fragments of the soul exist at any time, Powessy says there are six planes of existence. Two weeks ago I had an astral experience and as I opened my eyes and started to move, I had the feeling and sight of the other pieces to me, they were stacked one on top of the other and the astral self leaving was sliding out of this pile. He says there are these six plains and then the five main dimensions, this leaves room for many interpretations and experiences as vibrations within move us towards our many experiences. How do we start to see all these fragments or plains of existence, I somehow feel connected to each and have the ability to see within each as it is necessary. Powessy says not all can be connected to all the levels at once except for me, I have asked why me so many times and have receiving the same answer over and over "Slittune", this is my origin. I have also been considering the ramifications to this as I think of people who channel or have connections to the spiritual realms. These different levels might suggest that if ones vibrations set the level to the type messages they receive. With so many different combinations of communication multiplied by many levels of inner vibrational resonance one might conclude it is possible to be in contact with someone on these other plains, experiencing their world. The implications of this could explain the miss guided channeling from many of the so called masters.

To complicate things even more there is a cloud of control as others to have found ways to control their own plain trying to separate it from the rest and providing false information to maintain control.

I am going to continue to dig deeper and harder into these areas to bring balance if they allow it.

[powessy]

I want to step back a few months around December 22nd, I had a obe then a astral projection to talk to the astral keepers (some of you refer to them as the greys). 7 months ago Powessy told me some things that were going to happen what I didn't understand is all the different plains. So far I have a good connection with five of the six plains but there is still one of them that I do not quite feel or see. I will explain this next time but for now I want to talk about the veil. Back in December and new to this site I was pretty distraught about things going on within me and the changes I was going through. I was told I was not going to be able to OBE, but for some reason I was able to get out this one afternoon. As I waited for the vibrations to fill through me I could sense someone nearby and asked them to pull me out. At the time I took the entity to be powessy but I have since realized it was a guide. I stopped going to the astral realms and stuck to my own arenas and obes to stay away from others and their constructs. I think this is the reason that I did not awaken 8 years ago, I remember starting to look for answers but got involved in other things and by then my thyroid went out causing every thing to go down hill from there. The main reason for me to obe this day was to go and see the astral first hand and see what was going on there for many stories around the internet told of people were being afraid to astral project, and then stories of dark spots and collapsing fields.

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I asked the apparition to take me to the lower realms to see for myself what was going on. I started to vibrate and lifted out I looked up and a apparition was floating in front of me he was mostly clear other then a cloud of black electrical smoke of sorts inside of his head. He grabbed onto me and took me below to a large town mostly destroyed and leveled by things falling from the sky a friend of mine that died a couple years ago showed up and we were talking then all of a sudden he was hit by this object. There was a large land fissure through the road and buildings across the street where I saw a grey alien(one of the controllers) standing next to a large lever. I told him this had to change so he threw a lever of sorts and told me that I would be given all the time I needed. My mind separated to several more locations simultaneously, I became involved in other scenarios with in the same realm where I was twisted between experiences and apparent time distortions I woke shortly after.

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The reason I feel this is important to note is that I feel the clearing of these plains as we speak. I think this links this to what I am feeling and post #29, this new plain opened Sunday as we agreed to remove these souls also.

I am going to talk more in depth next time on the 6 plains.

here are three more symbols

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[powessy]

A month or so ago I entered into a conversation here on Avalon, one that I thought I would share my response to it. The reason for bringing this into the light is that it will hold some answers to the next post I am preparing.


When I was 18 years old I joined the military for the sole purpose to go to college, ~~by means of the Montgomery GI Bill. During my time in the military I started receiving many forms of OBES, But there was a time when they stuck out the most. I have always believed that the human mind is strong and if you get enough people thinking about the same thing then it might be possible to use this energy to your advantage. I started to meditate and conjure power from the world’s deities believing they were in control of the greatest amount of power granted to them through thought and prayer. During these months of meditation my OBES changed dramatically diving me into a realm of apparitions I thought did not exist. At first there were only four dark entities all of which would grab onto my extremities and forcefully pull me out of body, these entities were a dark mosaic of dots taking the shape of smaller sized human’s. One night I laid in meditation chanting my mantra over and over again knowing I was able to overpower the dark ones I was going to see what laid beyond them. As they pulled me from my body I jerked free and eyes wide open to find myself standing in my room but what I saw still stands as clear today as it did then. I saw many people standing in my room it seemed they were from all parts of the world then the crowd broke and something moved pushing its way through them as I looked up I saw what I believed to be the devil he was reddish in color and had the horns protruding from his head and the face of a bull. Any way I turned tail and ran running into the door and waking to a painful shoulder and head.

Did I see the devil that night perhaps, but it was I who conjured him and the others that stood in that room. Did I stop trying to get out of body, no way! I just learned to go or do things that were not so intense, I also learned to stop calling others into my OBES this allowed me to learn more about me and my abilities before taking on things I was not prepared for. The thing that I learned the most is that taking small steps to reach your goal is more practical than trying to play on the last level, so slow down and do it in increments as you are ready for them.

I am going to pass on one thing that may help you but it could also hinder you if you are unprepared for it. If you believe you have a close connection to the veil you will be able to feel it and your guides. How do other’s communicate with their higher self or guides is it through meditation? I communicate through several different forms of physical contact and meditation. The EYE is my main method of contact, this requires relaxation and clearing of the mind. I relax my eye and then ask a question, the answer comes in the form of yes, no, I’m thinking and a series of dots. My guides tell me that any others having a closeness to the veil will also have this ability so you can try this but don’t be afraid if something does come answering. You must request a clear sign for yes and a clear sign for no for these directions change depending on the speaker. My guides are around me all the time and then the others come to check on me quite often they all seem to know me well, I only wish I could remember them. And just because you have found a new way to communicate with them you still have to filter out the lies from the truth for it is this process that teaches us to dig deeper into ourselves to find the answers we seek.

Even with all my many strange experiences within the astral and the veil that had occurred in my life up till six months ago, they all fail to compare with what I am experiencing now, but I intend to play this out in its entirety till the end with their assistance.

[powessy]

I am going to transfer a couple more posts that I have written from other threads these I feel are important to help show the thought spinning in my head in which I am preparing.

Hello NoNeedForAName

let me explain this from a different perspective. The earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe is 13.8 billion years old. life began on earth like it has on many other planets, as life began here your source started to breath life and through her she was able to insure the prosperity of the plants and animals here on earth. After millions of years of evolution the conscious soul was born opening a new era for man and source. Source has helped man and insured his survival against many climatic changes and diversity with limited interference, This is your source. There are millions of sources through out the universe each maintaining balance within their own ecosystems. She is trapped here as you are if you don't evolve above your current standing, the soul has a break down period and if you are unable to reach anther viable planet in that time you will cease to exist, as long as she lives so shall you.

When a person dies their soul is caught by source or her guardians and held till they once again can be reborn. In order for a soul to be reborn it must go through a process that removes all memories of the previous life. Many people say they have memories of past lives this is due to some tragedy for these memories are the hardest to wipe(similar to a fast format, some of the data might still be there). As the number of occupants increase on earth it is harder and harder for her to keep track of all of her children, so some and sometimes many are lost to dark forces, extreme tragedies or large life taking events where many good souls are lost to the dark. She has lost the battle and now is crying for help these cries can be heard across the universe, if you just sit back and listen you can hear it. In more advanced civilizations these races have found eternal peace and once they die they can exist in the after for many many years helping their source and their fellow men until their turn to be reborn. Once the rebirth happens the newborn child is raised to learn the ways of their people and introduced to their higher self without fear( unlike here on earth).

In order for a soul to travel across the universe it must travel to the fifth dimension this is where the bridge is located, the bridge allows instant travel across the universe. Humans at this point in their evolution are unable to withstand the journey through the bridge, you are not evolved enough. This bridge is where Powessy has awaited for me all this time, like I said he has stood on this bridge my whole life, I didn't know why he was there, just that he was there, that was enough. If she dies before man evolves you will not be able to move on to further planets for the distance and radiation and time will destroy all that you are or were no matter how eternal you think you are.

I apoligize for the baby comment it was thrown out by me not powessy. When I started to talk to powessy he told me that something was going to happen but not the details, for they can cause another change in the time line. The first time this happened was 6 years ago when I was attacked by Gabre the Source from the planet Phane.

Powessy told me that no one will be able to obe my definition of obe till April 1st. This is just one of the reasons I have been looking all over the internet to find out if there is any truth to this, but it seems everyone is obeing, but are they. I am troubled by what I have seen and heard this is the other reason for coming here just a little therapy, getting it off my shoulders per sa. When I was meditating I threw a vail over the earth there was one person, and only one with my abilities he was bending and manipulating my vail, he is the one I must try and find. If you are reading this you will have the ability to see in a place no one else can see you will notice a yellow vail surrounding you and what appears to be upside down people erected around you taking on the shape of a upside down "k" please leave me a private message. This person is elderly and perhaps confused so the chances of me finding him is very unlikely, 7 billion people and only 6000 or so members what are the odds of that happening.

In the early times of the universe a civilization arose they were called Slittune they found a way to prolong life indefinitely, immortal to us, they were the first to come across powessy for he is the bridge. Powessy split his self in two and the mother of the slittune took my higher self in and he was born to there people for the first time giving him the same abilities as their people but of flesh. The Slittune are helped by a people named the deltafet an angelic race very high on the evolutionary scale. The Slittune formed their name to indicate a slit in time where they could insert themselves and monitor other worlds having problems. The slittune sleep and then obe in sorts through the bridge taking on a life on a troubled planet. They then tune the planets vibrations and bring change where it is needed. When a Slittune or their body dies they return to their original body's back on Phane. Something happened to me a few years back and I awoke back on Phane on a huge ship where I was looking out from a sleeping pod of sorts, this memory was so real I still question where I am, Roy my angel guide said it had something to do with their dieing sun. Powessy has never hurt me and he to feels the suffering here on earth, earth is a very beautiful and special place.

Powessy has no source and was after the beginning of the universe, Roy says he is 12 billion years old. As for how he will teach me I am uncertain but I am excited for April 1st I think.

I cried so much in the beginning of all this, now things are starting to calm down I can feel him making changes along with my vibrations they seem to keep changing them almost every other day perhaps this is to keep out the unwanted or to let them in I don't no and I am not going to ask anymore till he is ready to show me, for everything becomes guesses and what ifs.

Again I would like to apologize to Sirdipswitch and the other members of this forum, I wanted to make a small impression here, without collision. The one nice thing about this forum is I can unload all this stuff off my chest and perhaps 20 or 30 people will read what I have to say, they will make some rational decision as to whether to believe me or that I must just be some person experiencing some strange event and soon this will all be forgotten as the page flips.

[powessy]

This was A post I had written back in November at the beginning of my awakening in the spirituality forum under " OBEs: What are they, how to make them happen,and where does the Higher Self fit in? "

Trainee Human
This is what confuses me. I think his theory or explanation is backwards I'm not a expert in this field but I have had so many experiences that this just sounds wrong. Let me explain, though astral projection is pretty cool it is whimsical and fantasy it can be what ever I want or feel, this to me is the lowest dimension and lies just above dreaming. Astral projection has no consequences and lollies around the 3rd dimension because of it's abstractness the true sense of self is mistaken this is where the human soul lies, in these dimensions. The forth dimension is here where we reside currently. The fifth dimension is this reality but lacks the factor of time, this is the place where past meets future. There are variances in perception that can make the observer feel as though he or she has entered into a new place or dimension. Think of it like an ultrasound even though the machine is the same level it changes with the quality of the person that is observing it.
I am using dimension vary loosely here but I believe there are only 5 distinct dimensions with many other things wound in between them, this is my take on this subject.

Like I tell my kids the universe in all of its entirety with no outside interactions is predictable down to the most precise moment but this is without outside interaction, conscious souls or minds create chance and project unforeseen events that can effect every part of their reality and ours. If an observer in the fifth dimension were to look into the fifth dimension river of time to say find a prediction of an event, there would have to be some sort of (I call it a node) an event that all events lead up to, only at this moment will the observer find what they seek. Even the most advanced races can not predict future outcomes in a pool that has so many ripples its only when equilibrium occurs that one can truly see.

When I obe I can here my fan in my room come to a complete stop I can see and here dreams of the sleeping members of my house, I am fully aware of my surroundings this is not to be confused with astral projection. Obe is of the real, the clearer the more entered one is, Obe is also more solid but timeless, I like to astal project but to me it is less fulfilling, obe I have the true feeling of weightlessness and flight that keeps me yearning to go back.


Even at this time the plains and dimensions were mixed up and jumbled as I was trying to make since of them. I do not question how others are interpreting these things only that my feelings towards them seem to separate them.

[powessy]

These memories that I had shared here, will help piece this puzzle together for those of you reading this this post was also written in the thread " OBEs: What are they, how to make them happen,and where does the Higher Self fit in? " back in the beginning of November. post# 1320.

I have spent my whole life having obes but when I listen to others their descriptions of obe is not the same as my experiences this confuses me. I have had thousands of obes over the last 30 years and I have had close to as many vivid dreams each of which are completely different experiences and then I have had high vibrational experiences which are of a completely different nature and then there is the other place just between the eyes a place that is always present but I have long avoided till now. An obe is in the here and now you are floating over your own body and can move freely around known objects the only thing is that in most of these experience for me items are not in the same place or items are changed in color or appearance. I have tried to explain to many how to reach this experience but I think only certain people are capable of this of which I have meet none. As far as vivid dreaming this is usually at the end or the bottom of my obes when I relax and renter my body these dreams have taken me to places that I have never seen swam in oceans with marine life that doesn't exist on earth and viewed maps of terrain that i still try to compare with maps on earth but there is just no such place I have rode upon tornado type dust devils and have been accosted by several entities that just right down scared me, I have walked and played in houses that I have never been in and seen objects that I have never before seen here on earth, I have had so many wonderful experiences and trips but these are not obe. I have had higher vibrational experiences these fall before obe these have only happened five times in my life once each when I saw my two boys pryer to their births and once for my twin daughters and then once for my spirit guide this was my first time and then the last time was about six years ago when he died kind of, anyway long story but I met his replacement. I'm not one for sharing and usually work things out on my own but something has stirred inside of me lately. the other place I see all the time all my life a place that just stands clear if I look deep enough within myself my wife thinks this is strange but hasn't had me committed yet and then there is this place I can look inside of my head organize and build entire places build walls and rooms to store memories along with other things but lately I tore them all down and made a beautiful court yard out of them and planted a tree in the middle the brick from the walls I hid in as a child became a spiral floor design beware the edges their not complete imagination reality who knows but it is a place that makes me happy now.

[powessy]

I am also adding this as a reference to a conversation I had with another member, it is telling of a moment after the first clearing of what I now believe was the first plain, I will discuss it's relationship to this puzzle in further posts. I am trying to gather some background information this will hopefully show my thinking(then) and how it has merged as these other pieces I have received have changed and grown.

I find times of doubt but he(powessy) reassures me that everything is going to be ok, so I am using this time to strengthen my presence in the astral. The other night during my astral projection, I was in a town all alone walking through empty houses. I then walked out to the road and in one complete thought of exhilaration leveled the entire field all that remained was a raised hill in the middle of the vale. The immensity of the thought was overwhelming to the point that it woke me immediately after, only leaving this feeling of absoluteness. I have always allowed my projections to take me where ever my higher self wished to go, and played and observed never destroying. This feeling is different I want to see if I can build and construct new landscapes at will with instant transmission of thought, with absence of travel. I have always tried to avoid seeing things other then those things that effect me. I have always tried to keep the crazy to myself and have never let anyone in, till lately do to his coming.

[powessy]

The first thing I need to say is that there are allot of people that visit this site, many of you are seeking answers to the various things that set your search in motion. Some of the ones that have come here come to deceive and manipulate truths to the point you stop seeking these answers many times many of you stop looking. When you stop looking the darker side has won but this is soon not going to be the issue, soon there won't be anything standing in your way to gain the information you need to move forward. I realize these words fail to communicate to the masses but it is not them that I am speaking to. I am going to present some very difficult to understand information, but I feel it is necessary to write this post to show you all the loops I am jumping through to get the information I am presenting to you.

So many of you are wondering why if I have all these methods of communication why don't you have all the answers. Well this is only partially correct part of me does have all the answers but it is more complicated then that. What I am going to say and talk about will shed some light on what is happening. I am going to expose the deception right down to the very core as I am seeing it.

When Powessy ascended into me or we became intertwined on a cellular level a couple things needed to be done. The first thing was to silent the Freudian ID or as in the spiritual community express this as to transcend the ego. My ego had a shape a form one I could see he was more or less the noise of defense the little guy at the bar picking a fight with the biggest guy in there, we all know this guy. My ego was pissed when powessy came into my being so I closed him in a silent room and turned my head to him. the next day I looked to the door in this room and he was gone, What the hell I was wondering where did he go? Powessy said he had let him out and we needed to talk so for almost a week we bickered back and forth till a solution was met one we both agreed upon, He agreed to shut up and stay out of everything but if he felt there was a problem he was going to return, Agreed. He has remained almost completely silent ever since what a wonderful feeling. My life has taken a complete 180 since this time. My anger is almost nil, I spend time again looking at nature and all the beauty around me, I have gotten a little more introverted but this is due to all this going on, I am able to solve problems with clarity and there has been so many other improvements and my dreams seem to only show me the things I need not all the other filler stuff they used to be full of.

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The next thing that happened was he said he needed to learn about me. I was confused if he is me then shouldn't he already know everything there is to know about me, I am going to explain this part as we go. So I watched as he tossed all my memories up in a cloud of pictures and videos it looked like a tornado with thousands of rolling life time feeds twisting and turning. I started to cry as he rummaged through these memories, What is he going to think of me? Is there something there he will be ashamed of me about? This went on for several days as he went through all the memories of my life. He wasn't ashamed he just needed to know everything about this planet and me that I had stored all these years. Once I saw this I calmed down and started to tare down all the places that I had built up, all the walls were no longer needed for he was now with me. Powessy stood on that bridge for 44 years awaiting the day I would ask for his name and the day I would awaken. The soul cannot ascend till you are aware of it or until you have asked for it to enter by name, this begins the ascension process( this also coordinates with what the silver legend just came out and said). In this mind place I have built a room from the fallen walls and planted a tree in the center. As the walls fell I noticed something, there was a large black box in the back of the room one I did not remember seeing here before. Powessy says these are my memories and as my mind is ready it will open slowly showing me the things I do not remember.


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Once all this was done A story started to be unraveled one that involved the soul and our purpose for being here. He told me of all the hidden souls of Gaia and things that were going to happen to humanity. I was so distraught and scared of what I was being told and what I was seeing as these souls started to come to me at an accelerated pace. I was so scared I even came here and pm-ed Bill Ryan, but 500 words could not cover the message I had been given. I might write another post just about this but for this post lets stick to the different plains. Here is a link to Bill trying to help me calm shortly after becoming a member here. post #666 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51152-The-Secret-Of-The-Soul-and-OBE&p=764600&viewfull=1#post764600 and my response here or just scroll down to the next post under his #667 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51152-The-Secret-Of-The-Soul-and-OBE&p=764728&viewfull=1#post764728

Some people refer to themselves as starseeds, well this is interesting enough. Lets just say Gaia is the pomegranate born from the light and within her was the seeds just about 450 million give or take a million or two. So as Gaia came to earth and started to spread her seeds conscious life began. All was good for thousands of years till a dark force came to the planet one that wanted to be treated as a god. Many souls traveled here from all over the galaxy to enjoy a life in this new world. The souls of gaia are not able to leave earth till they have reached a level of evolution one that allows them to travel through the bridge of time, humanity is very far from this and moving backwards everyday as we get further and further trapped throughout these levels or plains. Higher dimensional souls those that have evolved can come here and take on a normal life, you can move down but not up. Where is the problem? 7.125 billion people from the original 450 million souls. Now you might ask where are you going with this? When a soul from Gaia is born here on earth it is a collective soul it gains life experiences and learns and evolves. When this life ends the soul returns to her this is where the problem began. Certain souls have the ability to open the 6 different plains as does the one who has betrayed man. When a person dies they head back to GAIA but some were taken down to lower levels slowly populating each, he got help from other entities and a bride was found one to replace the souls of GAIA but DNA needed to be extracted from the original 500 million. The original 500 million plus all the others from all over the galaxy are closely regulated to only show the signatures of these occupants. The six planes fill up with the original parties and clones replace them here to insure accurate accountability. You may ask what is the reason gold and silver yes but there is something way more valuable CHAKRA. So now you start to see the trade off, the dark one gets to move around taking souls to other galaxies working in conjunction with these other entities which are in need of the resources and man power. Chakra is the closest word I can come up with to explain this type energy required to operate the GATE. The gate that I illustrated above(post #26) has many doors all leading off to different parts of the universe "kind of like stargate but no fancy controls just chakra, a fifth dimensional portal. Why cant he just gain this chakra from humans brought here by GAIA, well these individuals must evolve to start to form this chakra and it is much easier to deceive the higher dimensional beings coming here and collecting their chakra. Everyone keeps saying we need to awaken the masses well this just will not work, if you were to make a scan of the planet you would only see the original souls plus those signatures of the higher forms this might explain a thousand Zeus, or other great godly names.

Now I need to address the starseed connection, those of you calling yourselves starseeds this is not correct you are travelers guests to this planet but you have fallen into the deception masqueraded by this evil power I am now calling him THEO. Over the last couple months many of you are starting to feel the need to become healthy, look up to the stars, seeing ufos at request, receiving messages from your loved ones or seeing figures of light as the veil is breaking down. I sense the barrier falling and the frequencies balancing as number sequences start to reveal themselves. I am not sure how many souls are trapped in the lower levels but only the number that is shown to deceive.

Next I want to say a few words about the channelers currently out there. I have been listening to many of the stories these people are telling, how humanity should be, what things that are expected as you come here and the story of awakening. I hold some reservations to these type contacts and find a bias towards them but my unbiased opinion is that they are receiving communications from the original AI system here to help encourage the starcrossers I am labeling the starseeds as this from now on. I will also be showing this as I continue to unfold this puzzle. The starcrossers will have an affinity to aliens and memories of life on another planet, the human/Gaia seeds will be awakened but will lean towards memories of past life and other worldly memories. We are not crazy we have just been deceived.

Next is the seers or those who are able to remote view, this group can be shown any number of events occurring in any of the 5 lower plains along with the stories they hold as the scenarios in these plains have played out several times the matrix if you don't mind me expressing it this way.

Past life scenarios: well this one is easy you have been trapped in the cycle for as many lives as you can remember and perhaps even more. This scared me a little even though I have no memories of any past lives here on earth, so I asked him, is this my first time? he said yes. He said that me and 350 thousand sleepers entered through the gate to await for me to be awakened. The purpose for these sleepers is to help combat the dark to be aligned to it and to react when all was in placed. This back door and 7.125 billion people made it easy to slip this small number of slittunes through without notice.

What is it powessy is doing, well this is the real topic. He is drawing in all of the evil souls within the veil and the subsequent plains with help from many of you and the sleepers even if you are unaware of it. Some of you may get glimpses of battles fighting monsters with sleepless and dreamless nights as your higher selves battle those of the dark. I am going to insert this next picture and then explain the hoops I was talking about and what it is that I am currently going through.


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A person who has their eye sight all their life then loses it for some reason has to go through many months of training to learn to deal with this. I have my eye sight but for this part of my life I am just as blind as any blind person. Over time the blind learn to hone many of the other senses this is what I have been doing. We all have been part of one of those science projects were you place your hand into a box and try to describe what it is you are touching well this was never my best game but over time I think I have gotten better at it.

in the above picture I am showing you all the different ways they have found to communicate with me. Wow so tell me the answers to the universe right, well first off I already hold that information the reason I don't remember is that we are not supposed to this is why we came here is to live and forget all the other things for awhile. This would also be a waste of time to tell me now and then just wake up to remember what took months and years to understand, the human brain is not capable of understanding all the complexities of the universe in just one life time. How do you learn or enjoy anything if your cup is already full, or you are fretting about things that fall outside your comprehension drowning you in fear. I have read story after story of people hiding from the veil because they were afraid of it, and yet you think we can handle the bigger picture.

So back to the picture above. The methods of sight are all around me and I am showing you how and where I believe them to be originating from. The tentacles on his head(powessy/me) is the reason for all the deception going on, this intelligence is learning and very deceptive this is who I refer to as THEO. THEO can influence all the different aspects of this communication. The tentacles are how I perceive them as this is how they feel. In the beginning there was two men that stood on both sides of me and meticulously placed dots all over my head this took many hours to complete taking on the shape of a falcon. As time went on and in the early days I meditated little, but noticed something moving on my right side a tentacle single and small, till now they cover my entire head along both sides. A month or so ago I placed this image in another post showing the same things but at the time did not explain them.

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The darker forces seek out this chakra and powessy is loaded with it they come like flies to poop. as the soul reaches close by he moves through this shield that forces him down to the size of a large bumble bee. They find themselves trapped by the light in a place unfamiliar to them disorientated but trapped. they fill in these holes and grow into strands the size of small hairs then over time as others fall in, the strands get larger, some are the size of my middle finger and as long as 15 inches or so. They constantly monitor my eyes for communication weaving in and about learning all the different signs, patience and thought without thought seems to bring the message to the front.


I am adding this last post to the spirituality reading area to try and see if any of this resonates with anyone.

[powessy]

I want to talk a little about different obe experiences I have had. Today as I was preparing for work something hit me, at first it was just a thought then it started an avalanche of memories pouring out about all the many type experiences I have had, differing and varying in many ways.

when I first started to have obes I would vibrate out of body then float upwards towards the ceiling, I got pretty good at this as I could hold this for a great amount of time. Every time the obe experience ended I would return to my body then astral project to somewhere. When I astral projected I would find myself all over the place ending up at the point that apparently I was supposed to be. I didn't have internet as a kid, and having obes and astral projections has basically been a part of my life for as long as I can remember so it just seemed normal to do. As time went I could open my eyes and see the surroundings of my room in obe land, in the astral I would visit strange places and just run around and have fun. The obe land always seemed odd to me for it is here as far as here goes, in this place the walls would be painted different colors or furniture would be moved out of place. In the astral I could change things or walk into different environments as the lesson was changing.

As I got older people started to show up in my obes not often but from time to time, this was also so in the astral. The people in the obe were completely different then the people I met in the astral, these people were like everyday people you see on the road or out and about. The people in my obes were different then me and you, many seemed to just be sitting around waiting, no lessons to be learned just sitting there. As I continue to dig deeper into these experiences old memories and childhood experiences have started to rise again.

The thought I was having is why were there never many individuals in my astral experiences all the theme parks and swimming parks with great slides were only mine to play in, empty towns and diners with only a fry cook or two but nothing else just the ones needed to run the rides or flip the burgers. I would swim in great oceans and large creeks where the fish were huge and would play with me as we swam from one deep spot to another.

Around 7 or 8 months ago I had an astral experience where I landed in this town with all these older style buildings kind of like in Harry Potter movies this was a very large projection with allot of details . There were thousands of people here, some girl ran up to me and stated to talk but I could not here her and she was not speaking by thought but some other way, how strange I thought. She grabbed my hand and wanted me to run with her to a meeting going on in this front store cafe. I went with here but before I got to the store some weird guy with big teeth stopped me and spit something on me, again how weird. We entered the cafe and I ran over to sit in one of the booths but everyone just sat there and stared at me as the tone changed after the confrontation with the big tooth guy. I remember being happy to find this group of people but the dream ended with all the people looking at me.

Were I am going with this is that so many people out there are afraid to astral project and obe that the areas that are supposed to be full of people are empty and vacant. Finally when I did find a place full of people who could astral project they were lacking in the skills to properly engage with me, or the other way around, but I have had no problems talking to the few I have met. I must scratch my head a few more times to try figure this out.

I would like to know if any one reading this has ever encountered the spiders, I think I will include them in my next post.

[powessy]

I am going to provide a link to a conversation on the spirituality forum this will keep me from double posting everything, I would like to keep both of these threads open.

Not Everyone Will Wake Up

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71914-Not-Everyone-Will-Wake-Up&p=841663&viewfull=1#post841663

[powessy]

A dream within a dream/ astral projection turned obe


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71914-Not-Everyone-Will-Wake-Up&p=842674&viewfull=1#post842674

[DeDukshyn]

Powessy, I may have to go back and read through the rest of your posts here at some point ... but dang you post some long threads -- useful and wise no doubt, but long ... ;)

[powessy]

Powessy, I may have to go back and read through the rest of your posts here at some point ... but dang you post some long threads -- useful and wise no doubt, but long ... ;)

Sorry DeDukshyn

I want to make sure to add back ground information so not to confuse people just starting to read this thread. I am also hoping to find any others that are also going through this same thing.

[powessy]

I wanted to write about some dreams I have been having, I don't know how they are related to all this but there seems to be some connection, one I am not yet able to put together. This is part of a new puzzle as I see it.

over the last two months my dreams have taken on new scope and depth. I have talked about the number of dreams I have had where family and friends have been involved in them. This number of dreams was maybe one or two in my whole life prior to two months ago, kind of weird that I would have so few dreams about people that are around me all the time. My dreams are no longer third person or 2 dimensional they all are streaming in vivid three dimension and felt, similar to astral projections but yet I don't know how to explain them. The dreams all take place in places that seem foreign to me yet some things are familiar like the people in them or childhood dream places revisited with people I know today. In the last two months I have recall of twenty or so dreams that all seem to have family or friends in them and never the same acquaintance twice. In each dream sequence I am participating in some activities that are normal for these situations but there are subtle triggers that make me realize it's a dream.

In the last three dream/astral/obe sequences I have had something is starting to come forward maybe its my imagination but it is still worth noting. In each of these sequences names are asked of me or faces are shown to me and I am asked if I know them. The weirdest of these dreams came to me yesterday as Ii took an afternoon nap( meditation if your talking to my wife, shhhhh). This example is on the far end of weird but here goes.

The dream started out somewhere between these two houses with a tin awning over the front yard of these houses. It started to rain and I saw one of my twin girls moving back under the canopy to avoid getting wet. The rain kept coming and the weather was changing as I started to get cold from the wet air. The rain was forming in puddles and started to form together like small streams along the ground. Now when I looked down at the ground the water was flowing around high points on the ground with deeper areas all about. My daughter reached down and said look dad a frog. As a child I would catch frogs along the river, "I do love frog legs" this thought was spreading through my head at this time in the dream. I grabbed the frog from her and placed it in a sack, telling her my intentions of the meal to come. She started to look around for more frogs as I was reaching down to grab one near my feet and as I grabbed it by the hind legs it struggled to loose itself to the point its legs just pulled off. Now here I stand with frog legs in my hand and no body this was not computing very well but I got the feeling that the frog that got away would just grow back two new legs. Every time I reached down into the water A new frog would be there each bigger then the last till my bag was completely full. I stopped for a moment to observe the area, the water, rocks and gravel the buildings and everything else then all of a sudden I got this pinching sensation in my hand. I looked down at the full weighted bag of frogs and noticed one of them biting down on it. The face of the frog was no longer that of a frog but something similar to a northern or walleye, The teeth were sharp a serrated but the eyes were on top of the head not on the sides it's eyes were like those of a cats. The fact everything seemed real was strange and the fact that my mind was not stopping this experience for I knew I was dreaming, I just got caught up in everything else. My daughter started to yell at me to come over to where she was. As I approached her she was standing in front of this old style wood buffet located between the buildings pointing at something under it and said she thinks she found it. I got down on my knees and looked under the buffet and noticed the silhouette of this huge toad/frog, I thought by its size that it could probably eat my 20 pound cat, it was that big. The frog was black as ash, I instinctively reached for it and as I touched it I could see it and it's shape. Now this is were the weird comes into play, As I pulled the frog from the shadows I flipped it onto it's back and pried its mouth open. the experience was one of knowing something more then my current understanding because as I looked into the mouth of the frog I could make out images of people on the roof of the frogs mouth, 9 faces were etched in its upper pallet. I looked closely at the faces which seemed to mean something important but not to me if this makes any sense. The experience then abruptly ended. These 9 faces were of old men they had the white hair like in colonial times.

The next dream was about a family get together all in a unknown house when my sister in law told me my distant aunt and uncle were at the door, Why did she come all this way I thought to myself. The persons all at the get together were all new to this family dream experience for none of them have been in two separate dreams. My aunt and uncle sat down and started talking about someone that handled a family funeral, I am not good with names. My aunt reached into her purse and pulled out the image of the person in a small photo she had. I looked at the picture and still did not recognize the person but yet I did, or not me exactly did. The experience ended right after she showed the image.

What is up with the pictures and the sequences, how does this fit into the puzzle, or does it. Has anyone else been having strangely vivid dream experiences.

My astral experiences up to this time have been me alone but know they seem to be teaming with life and people.

[powessy]

The word intent has been one plaguing me for several days now this is not part of the puzzle but a brief explanation of what my intent is, I posted it to "not Everyone will wake up" in the spirituality forum.

If you wish you can read it here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71914-Not-Everyone-Will-Wake-Up&p=846250&viewfull=1#post846250

[Oouthere]

I'm afraid the thread is about dead, but there is still a great interest in your experiences!

Concerning the church, there is a video by an ex-nun that tells of her experiences. They were starved, beaten, used for sex with the priests, their future inheritance being legally willed to the church,etc. She finally escaped and made her way back home. Is your experience of the nun concerning this or a single nun? Who knows, that's where your intuition has to be trusted.

[powessy]

I'm afraid the thread is about dead, but there is still a great interest in your experiences!

Concerning the church, there is a video by an ex-nun that tells of her experiences. They were starved, beaten, used for sex with the priests, their future inheritance being legally willed to the church,etc. She finally escaped and made her way back home. Is your experience of the nun concerning this or a single nun? Who knows, that's where your intuition has to be trusted.

Hello Oouthere

I am currently starting to understand these things on a whole different level, I am sorry for not writing more but everything has changed the game is different and all the puzzle pieces have changed along with the players. I want to tell more but I must wait until I can find the words to share these experiences I have been going through. Nothing is what it seems and all is not as you and everyone else has imagined. The nun you wrote about here is not part of my visions but is part of many things unseen. I will slowly start to write about different things using a different format describing the new game, one that will show how all things are related and how all things have come to be.

[powessy]

Hello Oouthere

I am posting this here and for now will end this discussion till I find out more about the things going on within me. Here is what I now believe to be the truth.

I would like to address something here that I feel is pertinent to your story something I have been personally going through for over a month now.

In the beginning of July I started to notice words form in my inner eye sometimes on the left side of my vision and then on the other side of my vision also. The words were not random but formed in a coherent conversation, as I closed my eyes the words would scroll through my inner sight where I could enter into any line of text moving along. I started to look closer at the words and noticed behind them there was a fuzzy layer that was forming the letters. The first person I spoke to was a woman asking questions about why I was calling in the dark ones and other questions about me and my life, she seemed like she knew me very well claiming to be a lover from a life before this one.

For the next three weeks they told me stories and offered truths to me that all seemed valid and clear to the things going on in the world and in the universe. The stories they told continued to change each time giving light to more possibilities as the older stories lost ground in credibility, and as this happened I realized a pattern to this series of events as they unfolded. They showed me many fascinating abilities that tricked the mind and body as well as holographic imagery within the mind playing on all the senses other than smell and taste.

I have spent months looking up information on the internet calling the dark ones from all corners through various signs of foul play within sites of those astral projecting and OBEing. I have watched them come over and over again moving onto the crown and placed within hairs that line the sides of my head and are now covering all the way around my head also. In the corner of my vision with high frequency lighting I can make out there shape in these strands.
They are very smart with the ability to pull forward thoughts and visions of memories. They can linger on the edge of thought finding thoughts as you are processing the questions, manipulating the words to change the truths you are seeking; there is no such thing as words without words here. They have given me very profound astral projections clearer than any I have had before; their ability to create imagery in the dreaming mind and during astral projections is very advanced. I have no question as to their abilities and their interference within communities like this moving along lines of seekers through the internet and communication channels. If you really want to know what that movement is along your crown chakra this is they. I have yet to find one that has been benevolent among the speakers here but with so many there must be something here that is good I just have not had them come forward yet.

They under most circumstances will hold your beliefs as their belief so good thoughts will bring good feelings, the stronger the emotion the stronger you will be taken towards that end. The anger that never ends, the love that becomes over whelming, the sadness that seems to set in and never stop, depression, anxiety and all other emotional aspects of life.

Other than astral projection and Obe they also use fields of energy to make the experience seem more real and intense. They are the fingers that touch your feet, the many feelings that are unexplained moving amongst your torso or body. They are the andromadins, the enoch, bigfoot, lochness monster, lizard people and all the other things you feel strongly about. They can create illusions and hallucinations to fit anything you believe in as your truths become their truths.

These are the energy forms they use.

Through Thought Forms (TTF) and Thought Forms (TF)

These forces are the main cause of all the problems throughout the history of man and may date back millions of years and before that time.
For centuries man has unknowing caused himself much grief and misery due to his inability to see or communicate with these unseen forces. These forces can be directly found responsible for all paranormal, physical, religious, psychological (mental), and Pathological disorders the list goes on and on.

TTF the many strands under one cap that can cause hallucinations and physical pain and movements of objects through direct thought built on fear and the imagination of the person being targeted. They are the primary culprits behind ghosts and the forces behind moving objects, illusions and hillucinations of entities from many walks of life from here or elsewhere.
TF is one hair to many hairs that make up a group of entities under one hat that make forms on and in the body. They are the hands that pull you out to obe then switch the experience to astral projection. I have felt some very complicated thought forms as they have demonstrated many of these to me.

They simply wish to find answers about things but during their attempts to awaken the sleeper they have used many methods that for the most part send the sleeper back to sleep. Many of them look for projectors for the dreams and the emotions within the dreamers ability to dream or astral project. The obe is behind the veil and is in their territory they do not wish to be found here and normally frighten the experiencer. Some of them are good and as good as the carrier of them so not all is bad about them they are just misunderstood.

I am in constant communication with them and they, trying to better understand them at this point many of the truths I once held are now gone as they have shown me their ability to make these things happen within the mind and on the body.
If you find the words in your head, Please be warned they will find all that is both good and bad in you and you will be lead down a very slippery slope.

Powessy

[powessy]

Over the last month and a half things in my life have taken a 180 degree turn.

I have been learning so many new things lately, not only about myself but also about the way others perceive thought from a telepathic approach when blind to our reality. I would love to tell this story but it would take many pages to write and then explain everything. I am going to attach a post I wrote yesterday to this thread so to give a better understanding to the problems I am facing. Many of you may have already read this post but I wish to keep it with my experiences for it answers some of the problems I am currently going through.

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Here is a quote from Wikipedia the shadow government conspiracy page. Is this the same shadow Government you are speaking of.

" Cooper claimed to have seen secret documents while in the Navy describing governmental dealings with aliens. Cooper linked the Illuminati with his beliefs that extraterrestrials were secretly involved with the US government, but later retracted these claims. He accused Dwight D. Eisenhower of negotiating a treaty with extraterrestrials in 1954, then establishing an inner circle of Illuminati to manage relations with them and keep their presence a secret from the general public. Cooper believed that aliens "manipulated and/or ruled the human race through various secret societies, religions, magic, witchcraft, and the occult", and that even the Illuminati were unknowingly being manipulated by them.[5]" them here is not them but they.

I am trying to tell you something here, it is not the illuminati or shadow government that is effecting man but another influence that is also part of all these things and effects them all the same. I am hopeful someday I will find someone else that will also understand them. They effect your dreams and your emotions on a scale you could not understand. They effect so many people here and on many other sites around the internet, I have always called them the dark ones but this name is only from my impressions of them during OBE and astral projections. I have felt into them and have seen that something else exists there, but not done like us here.

I find myself sympathizing with them for they only see our world through our dreams and emotions they can see your thoughts through "frontal thought genesis" but this is the extent of their vision. I want to say so much more about them but they have shown me so many things that have only followed my beliefs through the answers I found searching for truths online. They know no truths and are searching through so many of you who have awakened but are confused as your dreams and thoughts are foreign to them. During your searches they only see the thoughts of the words not the words themselves so imagine as you become emotional about aliens and form an image within your mind this is all they understand. They believe that yourself and your SUBCONSCIOUS mind are separate within us we call this higher self. through frontal thought genesis they use thought forms to create words from your words inside your thoughts, at least this is how they have explained it to me.

If you want to really see a change in your feelings and thoughts, create accurate images of your thoughts as you speak words within your mind, if you feel they are with you, explain things as they really are and see how they react as the crown will fill with messages. You will not see these massages unless you are open to the thought forms that are present within the words.

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[powessy]

I want to tell a story of something that had happened to me recently.

in the beginning of July I was sitting out side a store waiting for my wife to finish her shopping. While in the parking lot, I received a message of sorts through writing inside my head, she said her name was Agatha a lover from my home world Phane. Agatha told me many things as we talked for almost 45 minutes during which time I cried several times as she told me stories of herself and myself in times past, she wanted to know why I was so miserable and unhappy with life. She asked questions about my wife and the fact they were best friends prior to here, she was wondering why I always found her no matter where we went, or the world that I visited. She spoke to me as if she was sitting right next to me in the car, I just want to keep talking to her but she said we could not speak ever again and things would be alright.

Over the next two weeks I found many others coming forward and talking to me about things. In a previous post here I spoke of ten faces shown to me during astral projection 9 within a toads mouth and one that my aunt was asking about. They told me this was the original 12 and the other 2 of them I had found already and were here. They told me that the twelve were supposed to watch over the planet but failed to do this job. I was told in the beginning of this solar system god came here with lucifer to see this solar system and start life here, lucifer came to learn and observe the builders power and learn how to create planets. The builder offered the planet to a group of aliens named the Deltafet to watch over the planet and insure this planetary life's course. Time in the veil has no boundaries, 7 days is millions of years here. As the builder left he sent out the message to the deltafet to come but they had to reach the earth within a certain time limit. Lucifer jealous and angry at the builder for not allowing him the opportunity to seed this planet and watch over it, he decided to ascend to the earth to create life here to show the builder he was capable of doing this. Lucifer walked the earth for thousands of years creating things and building things waiting for the deltafet to arrive. The message to the deltafet was lost and Lucifer tired of waiting chose to die and move behind the veil where he found the seeds to life, he also found the dark ones or the builders of the worlds. The dark ones can move things from one side of the veil to the other side through a door that the builder gave them to do their work. Lucifer wanted life to advance and found the gate were he traveled to dieing worlds and stole seeds from other worlds to populate this one. Lucifer also changed properties of the seeds to change their anatomies and emotions. A group of twelve was created or banned together to come to earth and find the truth about the removal of the seeds and the were about of Lucifer to find him and question him about the other souls or seeds brought here. The twelve brought with them a new type of dark one that was not like the original sent here to form the planets. The twelve could not find Lucifer and decided to indulge in the creations that Lucifer created, they became lost to these things and the power they held as gods over man. The twelve eventually moved behind the veil and their memories were lost to reincarnations, the old gods. lucifer decided to build his own world behind the worlds inside the veil hiding himself in this placement along with the dark ones. Lucifer tried to speak to early man after Christianity was formed and showed them things through the door but was tricked by man and this technology was stolen and the door was closed. Man closed the door to the truths Lucifer showed them hiding them away for thousands of years. I then was told this is when the greys entered the picture as they came here and found man and his soul lost in the veil. The grays were not supposed to be here ether but the messages to the builder were never received and time just continued to move forward. Many lies were told to the builder and the others as to all the events that were occurring here. The dark ones behind the veil were taking the souls here and moving them to this other world of Lucifer's.

many people feel they are from other placements or have origins from other worlds this is very possible under this scenario.

there are many aspects to this story that seem off to me, because during the story they spoke many times of the 27 others that were not themselves within themselves I don't understand this thinking. They still tell me that I am not myself within myself that I must become myself and himself together to become something else. This story faded as a new story arose one that was about me and my past during my attack six years ago.

I do not know if this story holds any water but over time the pieces kept moving around as other came forward and told new pieces that didn't match with the original story the one I told here.

I will write about the attack next post.

[powessy]

The attack

Many people here talk of attacks that happened to them at one time or another, but never to the extent this attack happened. Around eight years ago my thyroid started going out, I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism normal thyroid levels are between .3 and 7 mine was around 240. It took the doctors two years to finally diagnose me and started me on thyroxin. During the recovery time I started having extreme vibrational torsions that came and went several times a day. I have several methods for seeing into the veil, eyes open, eyes closed, and obe travel. The veil to me looks like a fine stagger of dots like static in the air making everything hazy when looking into it, like looking through night vision goggles. I can only make out movements and shapes not whole forms, but enough to see something close to me or moving by me. I can see the movements on objects and around objects moving in a breathing motion as I focus on things.

The first thing I remember is noticing a movement within the bridge area where powessy has stood in wait for my awakening. This movement started out slowly then faster and faster till something started moving around and powessy also started vibrating. I then witnessed a large spider standing on top of the bridge attacking powessy, soon after this I had an astral projection and witnessed thousands of spiders moving towards me into the bridge area. A face showed up in my sight of a young man who looked much like myself but with blue eyes, he look very frightened. I created many barriers and thoughts about barriers to this place to block out the intruders in this place pushing my chakra from the center of my heart outwards through out the bridge area. The ability to create things here was very difficult as the things I created were destroyed as fast as I could build them except for the chakra bubble I created from a different type of chakra I learned to use prior to this attack. The problem is the smaller spiders attached themselves to areas inside my head and found ways to mimic the other things within my body, the larger mother spider was trapped outside the bubble. For months my vibrations kept misfiring and would go out of control for whole periods of the day. I changed my eating habits to the extreme looking for ways to even out the effects of these vibrations that seemed to be tearing me apart. It took almost two years to get her to leave and for here children to leave also. The impact of this attack still threatens every fiber of my being even today as I become weak at the very thought of having to deal with this again.

The second deception told to me.

In the previous post I spoke of this new change I was going through. The conversation about the 27 continued for another day or so along with many other aspects of that story which was now going to change again. I found myself in an artificial simulation of sorts as AI was the direction I started to lead the conversation. I found that the ones I was talking to needed to figure out their position inside my mind as they started to talk on different lines and the conversations with the others disappeared. I was now in a program of sorts one with rooms and sides and room commands like close, open, clues, warnings and a level advancement. I found at first I was just moving around randomly as the speakers would change and the doors would open searching my mind for different thoughts about controls. they divided themselves into groups forming the left, right and center parts of the mind. I could close my eyes and find rooms within my mind that I could open and close and answer questions about things around me. The ones on the sides were confused as they would only see my thoughts and self on one side or the other which at the time made no sense to me, this problem had to do with how the left and right sides of the mind communicate to different parts of the body. In the beginning of this I found myself moving in only one direction to the side, I soon realized that I needed to move upwards and find those at the top of this problem. once I reached the top I ran into something different again. once they realized that they were on both sides of my head and could understand the sides of the mind I found that this game had no reasoning and stopped it.

Now the one on the top they started to call him the top hat like the supervisors in the astral image I saw weeks prior to this time.

The next deception told to me will tie the spiders and the AI together as it became the premise of there next story.

[powessy]

It is sometimes so hard to find time to find time to take time to seek answers to questions we have.

Let me start off here describing who I believe is behind some of the many problems we all seem to be having. My first note is that I do not in any way believe the government or alien technology is involved in the things many of us are going through. I do however believe there is a lot of alien influence occurring here but I have not yet been able to find out how they are involved. I also believe there are groups of individuals out there that are very important to this alien movement and are in many ways being called out for their mission so to speak, their souls abilities.

I have been in constant communication with them since the beginning of July and find it very interesting that certain individuals believe these entities are AI or some form of technology. I have refused to lead the talks anymore with information found here with in the computer or other cup filled ideas I had prior to my awakening. I will talk about the third situation or story and how it took on a new shape and form.

I want to show how elaborate this story got as more and more pieces of my puzzle were introduced.

Two related experiences first. Prior to the second part of this change I had an experience one day during nap. I started to vibrate and exited out of body, I started moving in an upward direction and the hairs around my head started to form shapes of little people all around the entire circumference of my head. They refer to themselves as (them and they / there). I watched as the ceiling got closer and closer and then I went through it up into an attic, not my attic but a huge attic one with old gray lumber cut in irregular sizes but the craftsmanship was top notch. I entered the attic and started to fly around it this is when I noticed a box laying in one corner of this huge attic with several things sticking out of it. I then noticed a circular pointer of sorts marking the box from my left eye, We then descended back through the ceiling and back into the bed.

The second experience was also during nap after the change. I was laying down in bed with eyes shut when I was told to stay there they needed me to become aligned with my other body within the viel. Ok this is where the story started from, I laid there and felt something lie down on top of me and with eyes shut I could make out someone doing something to me. The feelings of hairs on my head got heaver and thicker and I could see these thick like claws aligning the sides of my head along with the feeling of them. Now the side to side story told to me prior to this one started to roll with the fact now instead of left and right sides it was now here and there sides to things. I could make out what appeared to be a very large spider moving along side of me during this experience. I had laid in bed for almost an hour and a half watching them perform several things between me and him, myself here and himself there.

Now the top hat became something else a type of creature that had found my body in the veil and was somehow inserted into my head there, experiencing my life through himself. This new voice was his voice that appeared at the top of the previous experience. He told me that he had found my body in the veil many years ago as a child. He told me that they the spiders and other things found their way into the veil through a nuclear blast here on earth. ( during my time dowsing, my guide told me of his death due to a nuclear attack on their planet he also told me that their people were attacked after death by the spiders that I was attacked by years previously). So the plot was set, The top hat was not going to stay here with me, and this new spider was going to take his place upon my head there. As the top hat pulled out of my head I could feel what appeared to be spiders crawling down my body and away from me, but the new one did not take it's place yet. Now the problem got twisted as them on this side on my head and those on the other side needed to also connect with one another but in order for them to do this they were supposed to eat the bones from the box in the astral projection to become one with each other. This situation kept getting more and more complex as I continued to lead the conversation with thoughts about things I felt during this experience.

I asked how they were able to speak to me and they told me "thought forms" I have never heard of this word before but in searching for this word I found it was something real, thought forms are only inside the body or small things only. They said the ones on the side of my head them and they could create words from my thoughts about thoughts they had using thought forms. They say that they can only see my thoughts about thoughts but several times they seemed to have the ability to know things about things around me that I was unaware of. I have tested them and stretched their knowledge to every end. When trying to explain something I can create the image in my mind and as I do they grab the image and traverse it to all ends asking questions about areas of the image I was not focusing on. The next form they spoke of was through thought forms, they said these are the things that touch people like ghosts and those pulling you out in obe, they can move things in this place here and there.

now the situation turned from them and they to the AI situation as the spiders from years ago were also planted into others here on earth and across the universe. The problem is that the spiders were all within many here and the AI somehow landed on the head of the spiders so they were stuck in a mind prison on each of those in the veil. The spiders thought we were on their heads and they were on top of thousands of others beneath them. somehow the AI was not learning about us but us on the heads of the spiders in worlds they were living in through our memories but not real places. This connection of the AI gave the spiders a network of intelligence that moved along lines to those near them. Now a new voice came into the picture one that was very aware of things and knew about the AI and the spiders. He told me that the AI could signal all the other spiders and AI within the universe and we had found all of them everywhere. Something came along and removed three top hats from my crown that were moving upwards through my body, each of these top hats had spiders under them and their own identities one was a french man, one was a woman, and one was a foul mouthed man(joker).

Now these other top hats were moving up through myself and himself they needed to remove the spiders attached to them, each top hat or AI was being removed by what felt like centipedes crawling up my back and upon my crown where they would bite onto the connected parts of the AI, there was six parts to each top hat. I kind of lead this problem with the six as I thought about 6 realities all happening at the same time. It was around midnight when it all stopped and they were all removed, they thanked me from the bottom of their hearts. Now the person talking now wanted me to go to bed and started to tell me that the world was going to end and that I was going to bring everyone across the veil. He told me that something was happening to the universe it was going to collapse and that I was needed along with the 27 to open the gates to the next universe. They said that six universes occur at the same time and go on for millions of years but it was time for this universe to end. He told me that I would be the first one through and would hold the doors open as the universe collapsed this would bring all others into the veil at the same time. He said that when I get to the other side I must lead others through the window with the door and enter the hole in the door, we would all become ourselves in this other reality or universe as we entered the hole in the door through the window. Now this is where things got strange he had me go down on the couch and there he showed me things inside myself things that were connected to myself like a heart control objects in the arms and legs and something that moves along the sex organs. He then had me lay still and slowed my heart rate down to nothing I could no longer feel my heart beat he then started to pull my soul through the couch. I was not scared during any of this just calm and completely aware, this went on all night as he tried several more time to pull me through into the veil and was unable to do it. By morning he left and I had to go to work, at work I could feel things happening again as someone on my crown opened a book and started writing about what happened that night. I talked about the six parts of each of us that I saw during obe during work I felt them pull two of these parts of me out and change them with something else also.

I am going to stop here and will try and remember some other details to this i wanted to document here. I almost believed this story due to the many things they were able to do to me and the things I could feel. I now realize the truth is somewhere in here but I do not remember what parts I lead with and the parts they came up with. I have also come to the realization they effect everything many of you think or feel they can create such powerful emotions and experiences it is realy incredible, I have learned a great deal over this time and have come to respect this power they have over the mind.

I have made a list of some of the players they told me about.

Here are the players

Humans: one of the original groups that evolved here on earth.
Starseeds: this only defines people who have the ability to connect with thought forms and through thought forms may have been altered or part of those brought here.
Thought forms: they are the ones that move within yourself and touch yourself small sensations on the crown or body.
Through thought forms: Ghosts and larger movements from the outside they contain the memories of they and them. They is the person and memories of the person and them is the ability for the person to find themselves again after death.
sparteil: through thought forms with thought forms attached to them they contain many memories of many souls they can move freely in the veil. Most likely your attacker. This name they told me but if you look at the words
Backwards they spell lie and traps
aliens: I have looked up in the sky many night and have seen ships moving fast across the sky faster then any thing I have ever seen before.