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Maia Gabrial
5th May 2014, 11:34
I found this article quite interesting. Since Karen Hudes is a member of Avalon maybe she'd like to refute this?




Karen Hudes Exposed

by 2012thebigpicture
I was expecting this. As I said in a previous post (referenced by Alfred, below), she was sharing disinfo that was so far off the mark that she didn't come across to me as a "whistleblower", but a disinfo artist, a faux whistleblower implanted in the truther community by the cabal.

The other day Gramy J at Cosmic Voice FB said Neil Keenan had a new post exposing Karen Hudes but took it down to make some modifications and would be reposting it soon. As of the writing of this post, they have not yet reposted...

But Alfred Lambremont Webre shared this. Apparently Karen is not only spreading disinfo, but is now actively engaged in attempting to thwart the work of Rev. Kevin Annett in bringing to justice the child trafficking operation at the Vatican under the Black Pope Jorge Bergolio AKA Pope Francis. ~ BP

Zionist disrupter Karen Hudes disrupting exposure of Vatican, introduces covert Israeli disrupter Eric Jon Phelps in attack on anti-Vatican activists
http://exopolitics.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341c73dd53ef01a511b0698b970c-pi

Child trafficker & Satanic infant murderer Pope Bergoglio - Israeli plane bearing Vatican logo to bring pope back to Rome after May 2014 visit

by Alfred Lambremont Webre

VANCOUVER, BC - Karen Hudes, a self-styled defector from the Rothschild controlled IMF-World Bank complex who designates herself as "Acting General Counsel of the World Bank" in letters of attempted intimidation against long-standing whistleblowers in the Exopolitics areas, has introduced a fellow covert Israeli-Zionist disrupter to disrupt the exposure of child trafficker and Satanic infant murderer Pope Jorge Bergoglio, now on trial before the International Common Law Court of Justice in Brussels as an arch criminal who in some future scenarios attempts to introduce a global police state in conjunction with a world monarchy [UK Monarchy], under the sponsorship of City of London bloodline banking families.

Letter to a colleague attacked by Karen Hudes

In a letter to a colleague against whom Karen Hudes attempted an intimidation as "Acting General Counsel of the World Bank", I wrote:

Hi! I am very sorry that Karen Hudes has extended campaign of her open information warfare from Kevin Annett of the International Common Law Court of Justice now to you.

As an informal legal adviser to the Court and Kevin, I have been tracking her unwarranted attacks upon the court and its prosecution of an international ring on pedophiles in high places in government, finance, media and in the churches and the Vatican.

After due consultation with other parties whom Karen Hudes has attacked, we have concluded that Karen Hudes (who I initially cordially welcomed as a fellow Yale Law School grad and activist colleague) is a mole and a controlled asset on a malicious and negative faction, tasked to disrupt the truth movement.

Here is an article from my friend and colleague Jean Haines website (Jean lives here in BC) and we have discussed Karen Hudes at length. The article documents some of Karen Hudes covert ties:

March 13, 2014

Karen Hudes: Whistleblower or Deceiver?

http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2014/03/13/karen-hudes-whistle-blower-or-deceiver/

As to course of action, you can most readily decide what to do or ignore.

In some cases the best action is to take no action.

On the other hand, her own letter does expose Karen Hudes for what she is. And at the same time to engage her is to engage very negative energy.

I have engaged her publicly and exposed her. The wisest course may be to just shield against this energy.

I hope this helps.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Alfred

Analysis of Karen Hudes Disruper operations

One public analysis of Karen Hudes disrupter operations states:

... Karen [is a] Marxist Jew. ... Karen is very careful never to reveal anything about her Ashkenazi Jewish background, family, private interests. Karen worked for the World Bank, controlled by Jews, as a senior lawyer for many years ... So how come, all of a sudden, she leaves the World Bank to become a “whistle-blower” exposing corruption at the the World Bank, IMF, Federal Reserve, US Justice system and US government? – attacking her own fellow Jews? – it simply doesn’t make sense does it?

The real truth is she is a Jewish ‘disinformation agent’ or ambassador of the bankers themselves working for the British. What she is saying is briefly this: “I am here to forewarn you all that the old, out-dated, corrupt, Bretton Woods banking system has had its day, and is about to be replaced with a new world order financial system and World Currency Unit.” It is really as simple as that.
...
Today the WWF is based in Switzerland, has HRH The duke of Edinburgh as its president Emeritus, has revenues of over 525 million euros, has over 5 million supporters worldwide, is the world’s largest conservation organization, and derives approximately 57% of its funding from individuals and bequests, 17% from the World Bank, DFID, and USAID, and 11% from corporations. Karen Hudes ... was a Senior Legal Counsel at the World Bank. Both the WWF (USA) and World Bank work together, and indirectly are controlled by City of London Jews with the British Monarchy at the head.
...
Read the rest of this post at Exopolitics...

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[ Mod-edit: I removed descriptions and details above of other members of Karen Hudes family. -- Paul. ]

sigma6
5th May 2014, 12:45
Wow this is news... not that I want to jump in so quickly... but I know something isn't sitting right I have been saying from day one, I can't crack this nut... However I have only read your post, and not the article yet... This is interesting that there are two parties now openly speaking against Hudes, Alfred Weber AND Neil Keenan... Both activists that I do believe in. I think sometimes Alfred can be a little fringe (even for me...) But I admire anyone who is willing to do that.... so it's not necessarily a point against him but he really gets into stuff that I can't judge sometimes... overall I do like him...

I think it was obvious that Karen was a Jew from the get go and that alone cannot be a factor in deciding. However he makes a good point, that not much is known about her more personal life. Some of the stuff did come off like it wasn't adding (just little things) not enough to make anything final.

Also I am not quite making sense about this part in particular...


Zionist disrupter Karen Hudes disrupting exposure of Vatican, introduces covert Israeli disrupter Eric Jon Phelps in attack on anti-Vatican activists

John Eric Phelps is the author of Vatican Assassins and would be one of the biggest Allies in the fight against the Vatican, how does introducing him make her a "bad guy"?
I am going to have to read the article but this is making me feel like it's going to be another knotty mess, and too ambiguous...

if anyone can add clarification to that in the next post it would be much appreciated. ie. what exactly is she doing to disrupt the trial by introducing Phelps.???
who should be by all accounts an ally in the fight against the Vatican???


Update:
I just read the article which is pretty much what was posted, I did read that before., I do think this is a serious question, the banking families have been using funds and trusts since the beginning of time hide and manipulate money. But not all funds are "evil" that is why they are such great place to hide and manipulate. I agree that is not a comforting picture. But I would need more detailed information to break it down... And I am biased in favour, i.e. I am very skeptical.
I just can't understand it enough, it could be just fine line stuff, let's face it, at the end of the days
these are two lawyers, so alot of this stuff is exactly how they make their money...
And it is interesting the chick behind that OPPT thing was another "Lawyer gone wild"
In her case she went completely against the system.. (as in ex. lawyer) which is hard to swallow...
Karen has been about using due process.
And she clearly understands trust law, and in this regard I don't see inconsistency in her approach how she described she was going about it, ie. she must exhaust all her remedies...
;) ... I personally can't judge that just based on that, albeit how suspicious it certainly looks

But where is the stuff about Keenan and John Eric Phelps and Annett??

Ahnung-quay
5th May 2014, 12:50
Funny they mention the national parks in this article. I just received a national parks survey in the mail. The gist of the survey was that the U.. national parks are in danger of disappearing due to a financial crises. One of the questions was how to get more money to them and one of the choices for answer was higher user fees. Given the other choices to that question, a responder would most likely choose higher user fees. I threw the survey away or I would scan it and post it here.

My question is, if the national parks have been well funded for a hundred plus years, why are they in danger now? The park employees certainly are not making that much more in wages than they were twenty years ago and according to the survey there are less employees now than there used to be. Where is the money that was previously allocated to the parks going and why are they not being funded adequately?

This does smack of an agenda; Agenda 21.

Karen Hudes
5th May 2014, 12:55
This anonymous attack on my family was taken down by RBN.
http://galacticconnection.com/karen-hudes-retort-rbn-article-make-choice-present-multiple-views/
http://galacticconnection.com/karen-hudes-whistle-blower-deceiver/
Here’s the information which The Project Avalon Forum wants to discredit:
———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Wolfgang Struck
Date: Mon, May 5, 2014 at 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: The US Military is Key:https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/A+Grandfather%27s+Encouragement.pdf
To: Karen Hudes
Cc: Izumi Takahashi , Edward Spencer ,
Dear Karen,
I did not know that I was in any dialogue whitewashing anybody, in particular a Knight of Malta general. You would be surprised to see how little I know about all of this, Knights of Malta, American military, secret technology. From early on in my life I knew that you cannot know everything, so I limited myself to certain areas of my interest and gut feel, knowing very well that other people know much better in other areas. If ever I did something to the general who is so close to your heart, I did it for you to notice, not for him or in his favor, and certainly not for me.
Which brings me to an old German saying: “Schuster, bleib bei deinen Leisten”. It’s a yes and no proposition, don’t go beyond your means, but very much applicable to my situation of near zero credibility in this world. Actually what ever little credibility I have is created by KH and I better stick to it. There are too many fields where I just do not know the minimum, so I should stay out of it and remain silent.
My job is to create from nowhere and show the history of the gold which goes with the true history of power, shifting from the royal families (mostly of German blood) to the bankers/banksters, back to the royal families for a short thousand-year Reich, and the total punishment plus total take-over-of-power by the powers behind the bankers/Banksters. There then you come in with the full range of Illuminati, Jesuits, Bilderberger, extra terrestrials etc. all highly decorated men possibly of rotten character.
I am sitting here with the combined hidden history of the good men, those who fought the Jewish cabal, those who recovered the gold from the Jewish bankers, those who had the best ideas to give all this to the world in form of highest world authority like a new World Bank, IMF, United Nations trying to live in peace with the powers that did not want to go away: The Federal Reserve System and the Bank for International Settlement. Little did they know at the time that Zion beats them all, Zion eats them all. Maybe they have a blue-print. A genius in his own right, George Orwell predicted everything 1957 in his books “1984″ and “Animal Farm”. Among others, he also predicted that mind-conditioning and mind-control would work perfectly well for the “elite” in the sense that truth-seekers and intelligent people would be treated as “outsiders” and publicly disregarded and sacked in the sea of willing yeah-sayers.
The cabal has eaten into the meat of all those noble institutions, they control the flow of information, they control makings and un-makings, they certainly control the who is who and the what is what in this world, whether it is in Germany or in the Philippines or in Washington. Money controls everything and they control the money of the world because they control the information about 3 million tons of gold and trillions of dollars in a safe system that has totally escaped the absolute majority of living species in this world including human species of all kinds and calibers.
The only thing that could worry the cabal is the little known fact that they did not make the safe system. Someone else did and that some else made himself registered as the owner of the global wealth but he kept his secret codes for a time after maturity 2005. Unfortunately, he had died too early, so he could not do anything in 2005 when every banker in the world was lusting for huge cash. Since then, other false claimants have tried their luck and failed. Kings and Sheikhs have tried, governments have betted on it, nobody has gotten anything.
On the other hand the Philippine government was able to block and freeze everything, something that maybe was welcomed by all the wrong thinking but has turned a financial disaster, global crisis, after the other and has made the Philippines, arguably, the most corrupt country in the world and the Filipino people one of the poorest of the poor. It is very hard to work from here but it is here and nowhere else. We will need all the help we can get and a lot of understanding in our search for the truth, assembly of documents and codes, and proper presentation to the banks come time.
Thank you for your attention,
Wolfgang
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 10:55 PM, Karen Hudes wrote:
We seem to be in some sort of dialogue, based on your tip:
———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Wolfgang Struck
Date: Sun, May 4, 2014 at 2:11 AM
Subject: Fw: VT GD
To: Karen Hudes
I see General Martin Dempsey here repeatedly. WS
Karen Hudes • Top Commenter • 4,504 subscribers
Why are you “white washing” that Knight of Malta General Martin Dempsey?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/dempseymalta.pdf
General Dempsey is responsible for trying to crash the US dollar and weaken US military strength
Is Veterans Today betraying the military? VT took down my comment on General Dempsey’s second townhall, which had been posted here:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/12/second-facebook-town-hall-with-general-martin-e-dempsey/ and is now posted here:https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/veterans+today4.docx
My Facebook and Twitter readership, many of whom follow me on Veterans Today, already know that there is an ongoing global currency reset, putting an end to the corruption from the network of control described here http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.5728v2.pdf
What is keeping the military on the wrong side is a small number of Knights of Malta like General Dempsey. A member of the armed forces called me on Sunday, to let me know that 50% of the rank and file are aware that General Dempsey is trying to collapse the dollar.https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Karen-Hudes+(2).jpg The men in the military at the bottom are shooting their officers who try and order them to carry out Rome’s agenda. Together with the Inspector General, General Jon T. Rymer, who is permitting illegal firings, the Knights of Malta in the US military are now in mortal danger, and they know it.
http://news.yahoo.com/report-fired-nuke-general-misbehaved-russia-211741556–politics.html
http://beforeitsnews.com/banksters/2013/11/us-allies-do-some-stocktaking-and-we-will-help-patriots-2433698.html
Gordon Duff • Top Commenter
Karen
Marty is very good people. It is obvious you know nothing about who is who (m) in the military.
As for Knights of Malta, even I was nominated but refuse to show up for the investiture. It was just too stupid for words.
You were given far better sourced material than you would ever have available otherwise. Work with it, don’t just run with internet rumors and disinfo.
One might wonder if you are playing for an audience. I certainly am not.
Reply • Like • 34 minutes ago
Karen Hudes • Top Commenter • 4,504 subscribers
What are you trying to say with “You were given far better sourced material than you would ever have available otherwise” I am working with information from other whistleblowers, and it all started here:http://kahudes.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/exhibit3.pdf and ended with the settlement of my bondholder lawsuit by 188 Ministers of Finance. If Marty is very good people, then let him implement what John F. Kennedy decided ten days before his assassination.https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Karen-Hudes+(2).jpg

Karen Hudes
5th May 2014, 13:20
The shills edited my post to remove the links to the book by a retired marine, Robert O'Bannon, who says: "a concealed foreign enemy and its American minions are on their last legs because...it has two fatal vulnerabilities: its needs for: (i) public invisibility and, (ii) control of the U.S. military to enforce its concealed global schemes...The enemy's critically important control of the U.S. military is rapidly evaporating. The American, Russian, and Chinese militaries--in concert--have determined the wisdom of bringing to an end the plans for fomenting a World War III and its New World Order pretensions and its murderous existence. Closing with the enemy has already begun.

And they waited for Maj. General Michael Carey to make sure that a nuclear bomb detonated in the ocean instead of on Charleston on October 8, 2013 before firing him for what happened the previous summer? http://beforeitsnews.com/banksters/2013/11/us-allies-do-some-stocktaking-and-we-will-help-patriots-2433698.html Here is what another member of the US' Armed forces says about what is really going on in the military:
Foreword: https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/A+Grandfather%27s+Encouragement.pdf
Here is the rest of the book:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/1.Perspective+Summary.pdf
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/2.Perspective.pdf
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/3.Perspective+Afterword.pdf
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/4.Rebuilding+America%27s+Inner+Compass.pdf
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/5.Rebuilding+Global+Banking+System.pdf

Curt
5th May 2014, 13:49
Hi Karen,

It's good to see you around again, though I'm sorry it's under such contentious circumstances.

I've listened to several of your interviews, and I have a couple of questions. (My questions are unrelated to the OP in this thread. I'm posting them here because I hope you'll see them.)

I posted this in another thread, but I think it may have gotten lost in the shuffle.

Has money from US taxpayers stopped flowing into Vatican and British Coffers at this time?

And if it has stopped, where is it currently going?

Is it staying in the US?

Is there another group positioned at the trough to eat it all up, or will it actually benefit the nation and its people?

Also, I'm wondering whether the Vatican and Crown have any moves left to play? How do they feel about being cut out of the loop?

And I'd be interested in your take on how centuries of corruption can just sort of end- not with a bang, but with a whimper.

It seems, historically, that when big moves are made to shake up the system, if the system doesn't want to be shaken, the people responsible end up in hot water: Lincoln, Kennedy, Bobby K., the list goes on.

So, how is it that, in this case, things are resolving so neatly- and in such a way as to competely undo the most powerful players on the planet- without major war, assasinations and blowback?

I'm really trying to understand this. I hope you can help.

Bill Ryan
5th May 2014, 13:50
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Many thanks indeed, Karen, for taking the trouble to respond so quickly.

When attacks or spurious/false claims are posted (and I do know this from my own experience), one has the choice to either ignore them and not feed the sticky napalm flames, or quickly post a clear refutation. You are much respected here for stepping up to the plate.

I should also add that in my strong view, Alfred Webre's judgment and discernment are both very often seriously flawed.

Tyy1907
5th May 2014, 14:57
All I know is I trust Neil Keenan 100% and the problems Ms. Hudes has caused for him was enough of an indication to me.

Tyy1907
5th May 2014, 15:01
Hi Karen,

It's good to see you around again, though I'm sorry it's under such contentious circumstances.

I've listened to several of your interviews, and I have a couple of questions. (My questions are unrelated to the OP in this thread. I'm posting them here because I hope you'll see them.)

I posted this in another thread, but I think it may have gotten lost in the shuffle.

Has money from US taxpayers stopped flowing into Vatican and British Coffers at this time?

And if it has stopped, where is it currently going?

Is it staying in the US?

Is there another group positioned at the trough to eat it all up, or will it actually benefit the nation and its people?

Also, I'm wondering whether the Vatican and Crown have any moves left to play? How do they feel about being cut out of the loop?

And I'd be interested in your take on how centuries of corruption can just sort of end- not with a bang, but with a whimper.

It seems, historically, that when big moves are made to shake up the system, if the system doesn't want to be shaken, the people responsible end up in hot water: Lincoln, Kennedy, Bobby K., the list goes on.

So, how is it that, in this case, things are resolving so neatly- and in such a way as to competely undo the most powerful players on the planet- without major war, assasinations and blowback?

I'm really trying to understand this. I hope you can help.

Well I'm sure she'll answer our questions, since she's stepped up to the plate and all.:photo:

Cardillac
5th May 2014, 16:25
I don't doubt Karen Hudes' sincerity for one second- but she only expounds upon the info to which is privy- maybe there's more to it; but most of her detractors go about it accusing her of being a "Jewess" and "Jews" alone are responsible for the world's woes- give us a break-

but then Ms. Hudes seems to blame the world's problems (it's always money, isn't it?- after all, money makes the world go 'round and money is the root of all evil) on Jesuits running the Vatican (wouldn't doubt for one second the Jesuits control the Vatican but the Order of the Jesuits didn't appear until the early 16th century- so who were they before then and how long beforehand were they influencing things?)-

yes, it's true the Vatican is singularly THE most influential institution on this planet (like start with researcher Jordan Maxwell for more info on this)-

I just think people need to wake up and realize the world is being run by an international crime syndicate (I think James Martinez has hit the nail on the head) that has for centuries invaded/pervaded every single religion/aspect of our lives and continues to thrive because we have been taught to focus on just one or two pixels (Jews, Jesuits, Mafias, etc.) instead of putting them all together to form a complete picture:

now enter (horror of horrors!)...David Icke who has for over two decades been trying to expose that human possession by negative entities who all seem to hang-out together, cleverly invade every strata of society and all have the same agenda just may a possibility... (gosh)-

see above under concept "international crime syndicate"...

with my deepest respect to Ms. Hudes and all other Avalonians- please stay well all-

Larry

Journeyon
5th May 2014, 17:02
It is a tangled web! Thank you to Karen and so many who put them-self out there. Trying to untangle the web of lies, disinformation, and smoke and mirrors often is a messy job. So many of us are doing the best we can to discern and unravel this mess.

We all owe a huge debt of gratitude to all whistleblowers! It appears we are in a time where walking the razors edge is the way to the truth. This requires keen discernment and a willingness to sift through the momentous amount of information while remaining heart centered and compassionate for each souls journey.

As the veil continues to fall and corruption and lies are exposed I imagine more mud slinging will come from all sides of the playing field. My hope is that we can observe the fray without being drawn into to the drama. Who of us has made poor judgments? Who has wished they would have held their tongue? I know I have sure walked my smug fine line, I'm sorry to say.

Questioning and seeking is the hallmark of learning. Thanks to Avalon for providing a place where hard questions can be addressed and dialogue and understanding is fostered.

Peace,
Journeyon

Hervé
5th May 2014, 17:09
It seems that the discredit on Eric Jon Phelps comes from the "where" of his diamond trade:



Eric Jon Phelps: Smear Artist, Israeli Diamond Trader and "Jesuit" Expert

Are you filthy rich? Do you have a lot of excess cash laying around? Are you in the market for fine-cut diamonds and gems? If so, then Eric Jon Phelps would like to hear from you.

Eric Jon Phelps, Vice President and Chief of Sales for an Israeli affiliated company, www.lowvehm.com (http://lowvehm.com/diamonds.htm), wants you to know that the diamonds and colored gems he and lowvehm.com sell come direct from Tel Aviv, Israel. Sure, they will cost you a lot but, Phelps insists, Israeli diamond cutters are the best in the world.

Yes, these fine, luxurious and expensive diamonds are now available for sale to Mr. Phelps "exclusive clients," direct from Israel.

[...]

Full article: http://www.conspiracyworld.com/phelps_jesuit_expert.htm... so... discernment... where are you... "Here, kitty, kitty... come here..."

Bill Ryan
5th May 2014, 17:54
...Ms. Hudes seems to blame the world's problems ... on Jesuits running the Vatican

Note: Dr Bill Deagle in his epic and seminal December 2006 Granada Forum Lecture (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOz0-Hy1rm8) specifically stated, in quite some detail, that all the world's intelligence agencies were master-controlled by the Jesuits.

Eram
5th May 2014, 18:26
but then Ms. Hudes seems to blame the world's problems (it's always money, isn't it?- after all, money makes the world go 'round and money is the root of all evil) on Jesuits running the Vatican (wouldn't doubt for one second the Jesuits control the Vatican but the Order of the Jesuits didn't appear until the early 16th century- so who were they before then and how long beforehand were they influencing things?)-

When emperor Constantine in Ancient Rome became the first Catholic emperor and made an end to the persecution of Catholics, there was a lot of worshipping going on to entities like Ba'al and or Marduk (with roots as far back to Mesopotamia, Babylonia and Assyria ....and further) in the higher echelons of positions of power.
If you also look how the Catholic has been operating from then on... it would not surprise me if the papacy was infiltrated by these worshippers right from the start.

So basically, from very early on, the Catholic church has been a Satanic church.

At least, that's my intuition on it.

Cardillac
5th May 2014, 19:43
@Bill Ryan

Hi Bill- I truly thank you for your reply to my humble posting and I always have the greatest respect for your opinions/postings (otherwise I wouldn't have applied to this wonderful forum)-

but Dr. Bill Deagle is only privy to the info he has been fed and Dr.BD has been wrong many times in his predictions of world events; look, with all due respect to you, I don't doubt the Jesuits maybe the major contributing factor to the world's woes (so who were the Jesuits before they became the labeled Jesuits?- their past seems to be murky let alone non-documented) and am a fan of/have great respect for the research of Jordan Maxwell who has always stated the woes of the world can be attributed to the Vatican; wouldn't doubt this; Maxwell has also sometimes stated that Judaism (not at all a B.C. religion according to Maxwell)/Islam were creations of the Vatican; wouldn't doubt all of this for a second (nothing surprises me anymore)-

but I just think we must all realize (yep, takes us to the twilight zone) there's a hidden hand somewhere coordinating all of this (above all religions; THE tool of social engineering- now throw in Joseph Farrell's views on dogma/religion among many other countless things)- even Peter Levenda in his monumental trilogy "Sinister Forces" admitted (paraphrase) "there has to be a hidden hand coordinating all of these events"-

what a concept!-

now enter David Icke...

I just think we all need to realize that even though a certain faction may contain the largest quantum of something evil (like start with the VATICAN or minimalize it regarding infiltrated non-religious Jews or Islamics, etc.- since when is genocide a Judaic/Islamic value?- never- but genocide seems to have been a value of Papal decrees) the Vatican/Jesuits is/are not the only faction(s) out there containing/manipulating evil- the manipulators themselves are being manipulated...

if I haven't yet made myself clear I truly would not doubt Vatican/Jesuits are the major players in the world's woes but they aren't the only player; all factions are being manipulated by a hidden hand and we're constantly being told to focus on a specific pixel when the whole picture is completely different;

please stay well Bill and all Avalonians- wouldn't want it any other way-

Larry

Cardillac
5th May 2014, 19:51
@Eram

"So basically, from very early on, the Catholic church has been a Satanic church"-

no s**t- I thank you for being awake :-)

stay well!

Larry :-)

TODD & NORA
6th May 2014, 02:43
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sigma6
14th July 2014, 10:10
Hi Karen,

It's good to see you around again, though I'm sorry it's under such contentious circumstances.

I've listened to several of your interviews, and I have a couple of questions. (My questions are unrelated to the OP in this thread. I'm posting them here because I hope you'll see them.)

I posted this in another thread, but I think it may have gotten lost in the shuffle.

Has money from US taxpayers stopped flowing into Vatican and British Coffers at this time?

And if it has stopped, where is it currently going?

Is it staying in the US?

Is there another group positioned at the trough to eat it all up, or will it actually benefit the nation and its people?

Also, I'm wondering whether the Vatican and Crown have any moves left to play? How do they feel about being cut out of the loop?

And I'd be interested in your take on how centuries of corruption can just sort of end- not with a bang, but with a whimper.

It seems, historically, that when big moves are made to shake up the system, if the system doesn't want to be shaken, the people responsible end up in hot water: Lincoln, Kennedy, Bobby K., the list goes on.

So, how is it that, in this case, things are resolving so neatly- and in such a way as to competely undo the most powerful players on the planet- without major war, assasinations and blowback?

I'm really trying to understand this. I hope you can help.

Well I'm sure she'll answer our questions, since she's stepped up to the plate and all.:photo:

Are you still paying taxes... the whole point of paying taxes means that you are paying interest. End of story... That is the only function, the story about hospitals and roads is a TOTALLY fabricated STORY...

So she will not answer it, because if you have listened to anything she said, it's a stupid question. If you are paying taxes to the IRS, the ONLY reason they are collecting is for collateral on a loan of money (they could have created interest free themselves, WHY KENNEDY WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD, AND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC LOOKED THE OTHER WAY!)

So to answer your question: Is the NON GOVERNMENTAL INSTITUTION IRS still collecting money from the American Public? Then it is going to the Inner City of London 40% and 60% to the Vatican.

Wake up people!

Dorishaktiblue
11th August 2014, 23:00
hi Curt. Your picture looks like Jack Nicholson. Anyway I have a possible answer to your question to Karen. I am a long time practitioner of meditation. One of my first teachers, the famous Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, taught us that as the mass or group consciousness of the world evolves to a higher level, NATURE or God or whatever name you may give to the Divine Presence and Energy that underlies all things, becomes more active. We enliven it by our meditations for it is the Unified Field spoken of in particle physics and the basis of our own individual natures as well.

When this field, which is the source of all truth, light, purity and intelligence becomes enlivened, things in our personal life and in the global life NATURALLY fall in line with the laws of God or Nature. The systems are already set up for evolution or goodness or justice or whatever we have been missing so far. Now that the field which is the base for all these international institutions and systems is waking up, things will start working out.

Another beautiful Vedic Quote is Satnam eva jayante, which means Truth Alone Triumphs. Like MLK said, quoting the Bible, the arc of history is long but it bends towards justice. This is because Truth, Justice, Kindness, Mercy and Abundance are the very nature of Life. We have been living in a man made nightmare because we had lost contact with our true nature which is Divine. So now Mother Earth is purifying herself of all that is not Truth and Beauty and Light. So those bad guys will either come to the light or put their tails between their legs and go away, to another planet maybe, who will still tolerate the mayhem they have been creating here.