From SCARCITY to ABUNDANCE ... Really? Maybe you should hedge your bet

[GuyFox]

From SCARCITY to ABUNDANCE ...
Really? Maybe you should hedge your bet

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I see comments like THIS one in many places on the web:

" The fundamental paradigm shift is going from a scarcity and control paradigm to an abundance and freedom paradigm..."

Honestly, I do hope this is correct. But is it ?
Is it truly happening? And should we go on thinking and acting as if the new paradigm of cheap energy is something we can rely on within our own lifetimes?
(This seems to be the bet that many are making, who say they are "aware" while driving around in expensive gas-guzzling automobiles... So certain are they that the new technology will come forward BEFORE the oil runs out.)

Well, the shift Will ONLY Happen in that way, if Free Energy devices are launched soon. But what if they are not?

Maybe, just maybe, JH Kunstler will be right, and the Oil will start to run out first, and we will be facing a Long Emergency:

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What then?
Where will all those in their expensive cars be left?
... Begging for Oil? And a New war maybe ?
What sort of economic mess might they be driving the rest of us into?

There is a better and more responsible way forward I think.
And I do not see many New Agers embracing it.
They seem, to me, to be on a very reckless path... if the Free Energy does not arrive soonest

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Worry not -- although TPTB might "choke-point"/hoard the oil, I don't think we will run out anytime soon.

My personal opinion and some other people too, is that oil renews itself by a natural process within the earth's crust/mantle.
What we were told about ice age, dinosaurs, the flood etc. I am not sure if that is the case. Even if it is, there's a damn lot of oil sandwiched in there.


I mean seriously, saying the earth is running out of oil, it's like saying Ganymede is running out of ice.


Don't let those ***********************'s convince you that it's doomsday yet! :)


but yes I hope we get Free Energy (or cheap at least?) soon!!! <3



p.s. correction, we will definitely see hoarding and "favoritism" i.e. where the drilling actually happens or not.

[Frederick Jackson]

Hmm, Tesla, I do think we are running out and with the little time we have left it is nuclear energy or free energy. Whether the oil is from biological chemical or geological chemical, either way we do not have the 100 million years or so to wait around for the next harvest of carbon based fuels.

And let us not forget that even as we get more fuel efficient in our cars and power plants etc. China and the developing world are increasing demand for fossil fuel. Petro reserves getting harder and harder to tap, so we go after the dirty tar sands. I just learned that Sen. Warner of my home state Virginia will be voting for the Keystone XL, so we will be able to postpone the inevitable fuel crunch while we will be accelerating pollution and green house gas buildups. :mad2:

Well, outside of the my faith and belief in the things at the Heart of Reality like Love and Beauty I tend to be a pessimist. :(

[heretogrow]

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[GuyFox]

Tesla,
I think it is very dangerous to "bet" that we will not run out of oil.

Frankly, although I am American, I live outside the US and I am alarmed and disturbed by the American attitude towards oil. I think it is very irresponsible and damaging to ALL the people on the planet.

How will the rest of the planet feel towards a country that has 5% of the world's population, and uses 25% of the planet's oil? I think it is shameful, and if the US military were to lose its advantage of strength, then the other countries might just adopt the attitude: "Americans should grow up, and become more responsible in their use of energy. Why should they use 3X as much oil as the average European, and 8 -10X as much as the average Chinese? What gives them the right to do so?"

If the answer is a psychopathic: "Might makes Right;" then it is the wrong answer IMHO. And if the rest of the world (and especially Russia and China) were to grow in Might, they could be JUSTIFIED in demanding somehow that the US use less oil, and/or pay much higher US Dollar prices for the oil they import.

There is a rather easy way to use less oil, and the US should be looking into THAT way. But if you talk about it with Americans, they seem to get upset, and give you lectures about not telling "Free Americans" (cough! cough!) how to live. Meantime, the rest of the world seem to be getting on with the business of changing their living arrangements, so they can Live Well (and probably Live Better) with a lesser reliance on fossil fuels.

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Perhaps it will turn out that that hopes regarding Free Energy being available soon are over-optimistic, and the attitude of many suburban New Agers towards maintaining a wasteful living arrangement is nothing but another example of American arrogance.

Hey, I know I am being provocative. Some in the US and outside the US will want to attack me for it. But I am thinking this way: Why not lay the argument out in rather "raw" terms, so people can see clearly what I am thinking. If I am too polite and tiptoe around the issue, you might miss my point.

A good discussion thrives on disagreement. But let's keep it polite. Address me and my arguments that way, I will will promise to do the same in return. BTW, I am no "shill" for the energy industry. I do not think my ideas will be very comforting to them.

[andrewgreen]

If we had a point in time, two-three years in the future where oil would run out I would be absolutely delighted. Humans absolutely have it within their capability to solve virtual any problem and this would be no different.

[GuyFox]

If we had a point in time, two-three years in the future where oil would run out I would be absolutely delighted. Humans absolutely have it within their capability to solve virtual any problem and this would be no different.

Yes. Maybe.
But it will not be done quickly.
And before a solution is found, there would be pain, suffering, chaos, and maybe even a historic die-off of 25%, 50%, or even a higher percentage of the planet's population. (Some have said: "Well, I am not so worried for the US, since the pain will be felt most in Africa, Latin America, and Asia." Do people still think like that?)

I would rather that we humans make a better plan, while we still have time.

Do Americans really think, they can go on using 25% of the world's oil, while their military power, and their economy are both crumbling in front of our eyes? It is madness. And the willingness of people to shut their eyes to such an obvious problem is still amazing to me.

[Zaya]

Isn't it possible there are already one or more solutions that we just aren't been told about yet? Tesla (the scientist, not the forum member) came up with a much cheaper more efficient way of transmitting power to homes at the same time that electricity was established, yet, we were never given that technology because it didn't make money. I think the alternatives to energy exist but they are being withheld from us until the absolute last moment. When we hit crisis and there isn't money in it anymore.

Seems to me like when scientists get too close to "discovering" technology that is deemed inappropriate for us peons by TPTB it seems to get hidden, covered up, disappeared.

The real question I guess is what are we gonna do about it?

[TargeT]

My personal opinion and some other people too, is that oil renews itself by a natural process within the earth's crust/mantle.
What we were told about ice age, dinosaurs, the flood etc.

There’s been a very good discussion on this topic here:

Peak oil debate (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70529-Peak-Oil-debate...resolved)

it seems very clear that oil is generated at a pretty amazing pace based on old "dry" wells that have been re-opened and found to be refilling.

The "peak oil" story is just fear propaganda used to further the "scarcity" based society we live in.. this is slowly crumbling IMO with simple research and understanding that a "resource" can be anything.