Reptilians and the awakening

[shiva777]

reptilian invasions and the consequences and timelines playing out NOW...the new-age movement is largely oblivious to the fact that just as our DNA was messed with so was the planets lightbody and hologram...what effects the planet,effects us and visa-versa...the "sacred geometry" and theories of people such as Wilcock and Drunvalo and crew are PERPETUATING the distortions overlayed in our own bodies and the planet by these reptilian "gods",their theories play in to the hands of the same "powers that be" that control all the religions...the very same "gods"(and their fallen heirarchies) that most new-agey channelers and preachers are mouthpieces for ..

this is another good series of vids showing clearly how reptilian "gods" have left their marks in ancient cultures all over the world and how this has been covered up by modern historians and religions.new-agers

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=169806739696529

[bashi]

anything on the tube or google vid?

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

U-Tube would be good they blocked me on this one.


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[Wood]

I just do not have a facebook account. I'd also like a youtube (or other open video site) link, if possible :)

[MariaDine]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFqfAh8J2hA&feature=related

Does this help ? :)

[Celine]

U-Tube would be good they blocked me on this one.


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[shiva777]

there are 22 parts to this series...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFqfAh8J2hA&feature=related

[Chakra]

Awesome! :)
Love this shot.
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See - just they are just like us - they like shopping too!
Wow who knew! ??

The only thing that doesn't work for me here - unless this is a young one of course.
Is how short it is....

[Anchor]

Are you logging in from work? this looks like an internal security thing...

Furthermore, inclusion of details like IP address is unwise.

Best get these messages edited I think

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

Celine/John

Yes doing this from work, its a firewall, considered the IP issue and went with it anyway, for a few different reasons I don't want to get into.

[SkepticSoul]

as i understand it, reptillians are 4th density beings, meaning they can interact in 3rd and 4th density. every plan they make and act upon comes from 4th density.
This also means time means nothing to them. It's only a perception, so u can safely assume that the reptillians (not only them) have been and still are interfering with 3rd density as they have no problem whatso-ever to change/alter/re-create past, present and future.

Ever had a deja-vu? This 'probably' (i don't have the right to say it's for sure) is a symptom of a perception you have already perceived but in a different timeline.
Could this be the cause of reptillian interference in 3rd density? hmm

peace

[Teakai]

as i understand it, reptillians are 4th density beings, meaning they can interact in 3rd and 4th density. every plan they make and act upon comes from 4th density.
This also means time means nothing to them. It's only a perception, so u can safely assume that the reptillians (not only them) have been and still are interfering with 3rd density as they have no problem whatso-ever to change/alter/re-create past, present and future.

Ever had a deja-vu? This 'probably' (i don't have the right to say it's for sure) is a symptom of a perception you have already perceived but in a different timeline.
Could this be the cause of reptillian interference in 3rd density? hmm

peace

Hi SkepticSoul, because they are able to enter into a higher vibrational level - does that mean they are more spiritually evolved than the human species?

[Fredkc]

Great question Teakai !!

Somehow it never dawns on the "which density", or reptile obsessed that said beings can be just as, if not more delusional than we are.

To begin with, you would think that someone on a "subtler plane" would have a faster karmic cycle; hence a faster learning cycle. So how is it, all they are learning is how to screw over/control beings they consider 'beneath' them? AND if this is acceptable to the universe, then what is the big hurry to get 'there' ourselves?

"does that mean they are more spiritually evolved than the human species?"
If so then this kind of evolution is completely brain dead.

While I am at it...
This notion that DNA is the controlling aspect of life. What silly crap!
DNA is nothing more than the control system for a 3D piece of "soul-less, yet viable meat". End of story.
To assume this is the be-all end-all of existence is true poverty.

It comes down to this:
Do you have a soul?
Is it yours to 'operate'?

If the answer to either one is 'No.', then why waste time learning/worrying all this silly stuff?
A No means we, as conscious life are nothing more than furniture. Better to spend our time talking the latest fashions in upholstery.

If both come up 'yes', then all this crap is marginal distraction, at best. Better to get on with what each of us came here to do. ;)

End rant.
Fred

[Chakra]

Ever had a deja-vu? This 'probably' (i don't have the right to say it's for sure) is a symptom of a perception you have already perceived but in a different timeline.
Could this be the cause of reptillian interference in 3rd density? hmm peace

Myself and another Lady I know both have experienced our deja-vu's from dreaming them first - the longest time for me, that I am aware of - between dream and occurrence was 10 years.

I have also had rather long ones as well were I forced a change in the deja vu - it was really hard to do as well - I knew what I was suppose to say next and didn't say it. The lady I was with I could see was struggling as she was looked like she was waiting for the question she was going to answer....
Totally freaky!

[Chakra]

Hi SkepticSoul, because they are able to enter into a higher vibrational level - does that mean they are more spiritually evolved than the human species?

Question ? why would it be 'higher' why could it not just be different. ?

I for one though do not equate more technological advancements the same as spiritual advancements. Ever met a geek with a genius level IQ? most of them are either porn freaks or gamers....the closest they get to god is using g.o.d. in their passwords. lol

OK so that is a bit of a stereo type - but not entirely a false one.

[Chakra]

Great question Teakai !!

Somehow it never dawns on the "which density", or reptile obsessed that said beings can be just as, if not more delusional than we are.


A No means we, as conscious life are nothing more than furniture. Better to spend our time talking the latest fashions in upholstery.

I like this one - pretty blue and back drops down flat.
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If both come up 'yes', then all this crap is marginal distraction, at best. Better to get on with what each of us came here to do. ;)
End rant.Fred

Aaahh yes the age old question - what did each of us actually come here to do?
Still wonder about that one...

[Teakai]

Question ? why would it be 'higher' why could it not just be different. ?I for one though do not equate more technological advancements the same as spiritual advancements. Ever met a geek with a genius level IQ? most of them are either porn freaks or gamers....the closest they get to god is using g.o.d. in their passwords. lol

OK so that is a bit of a stereo type - but not entirely a false one.

Good point, Renee.
It may be technological rather than spiritual - rather like the miltary's ability to transport themselves or do other remarkable things by means other than what we, the general public, would consider the norm - making use of natural knowledge and technologies that have been kept from the rest of us.

Or, I was thinking - maybe it is just a part of their natural make-up. Like the chameleon which can blend in with its particular environment - and not a matter of dimensions at all.

I'm still not settled with the whole reptillian thing, but am open minded about it.

I think I got the idea that one dimension was more advanced simply by it being number four and thus at a higher level than the thrid dimension.

[bluestflame]

main reason they messed with the dna was to prevent the soul from anchoring greater (independant of thier illusion based systems of control) awareness into the body with the soul

basically they made the physical bodies a long term temporary trap , hence the cycles of reincarnation

[Teakai]

main reason they messed with the dna was to prevent the soul from anchoring greater (independant of thier illusion based systems of control) awareness into the body with the soul

basically they made the physical bodies a long term temporary trap , hence the cycles of reincarnation

Hi, Bluestflame,
I was thinking that - apart from being one big giant experiment for the 'ptb' one of the major reasons they were messing with us genetically was to be able to make us infertile and to also make us more sedate.

Having said that - I feel that what happens with our DNA is totally up to us - only we have to be aware of that and act accordingly.

[bluestflame]

there's a foundation upon which the dna has been laid , a template , a blueprint , the part of it that's directly connected to source like a back door written into the program the original creator put there that they couldn't understand or use , this is what recieves the signal the catalyst the spark , for an update

[Teakai]

Great question Teakai !!

Somehow it never dawns on the "which density", or reptile obsessed that said beings can be just as, if not more delusional than we are.

To begin with, you would think that someone on a "subtler plane" would have a faster karmic cycle; hence a faster learning cycle. So how is it, all they are learning is how to screw over/control beings they consider 'beneath' them? AND if this is acceptable to the universe, then what is the big hurry to get 'there' ourselves?

Fred

Hmmmmm, what if these reptillians are more spiritually advanced and in order to progress from the particular spiritual level they are at, they have, as do we, have to overcome their material/physical state and desires - only thier challenge is greater because their lesson is greater because they are more spiritually evolved (just a thought).

Which sort of makes, their spiritual growth experience our spiritual growth experience also - for without this challenge how many of us would remain spiritually stunted in front of our TV sets thinking shopping and shoes and yearly holidays to the Bahamas is as good as it gets?

These dimension things are a bit beyond me. I feel there are different levels of existence, but spirituality wise I thought that you could not possibly enter a dimension to which you could not attune your frequency - despite the use of technology.
Thus - I was thinking if dimension 4 was a higher frequency than dimension 3 then the spiritual evolution of that being would be higher.

Of course if dimension 3 and 4 are just different physical planes and nothing to do with spirituality then it's a whole other story.

And this is just me thinking out loud - are the reptillians )should they exist) spiritually evolved good guys with a really big challenge - or are they spiritually unevolved bad guys.
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It comes down to this:
Do you have a soul?
Is it yours to 'operate'?

Fred

Yes
and
Yes.

[Teakai]

there's a foundation upon which the dna has been laid , a template , a blueprint , the part of it that's directly connected to source like a back door written into the program the original creator put there that they couldn't understand or use , this is what recieves the signal the catalyst the spark , for an update

Oh, OK - I don't see it like that. I see DNA being the machinery that makes up the mechanism known as the human body which we inhabit as souls.

If humans were the genetic manufacture of ET's to begin with - as is implied in the bible and other writings - it just makes our physical bodies another entity for which we as soul can inhabit and learn from.

There was some study done - in a nutshell it showed that memory remains despite particular parts of the brain being affected -strongly suggesting that DNA is part of the body and not of the soul.

I think our soul controls our DNA. It's like I could get my computer to do so many things, but I'm rally only aware of the fundamentals. If I really knew how it worked I could do amazing things with it.

That's my take

[truthseekerdan]

Hmmmmm, what if these reptillians are more spiritually advanced and in order to progress from the particular spiritual level they are at, they have, as do we, have to overcome their material/physical state and desires - only thier challenge is greater because their lesson is greater because they are more spiritually evolved (just a thought).

Nonsense, reptilians renegades are just more advanced technologically since they are an older race than humans on Earth. :sorry:

[SkepticSoul]

Densities don't mean higher or lower vibrational state.
It is just a DIFFERENCE in AWARENESS.
In 3rd density we are trapped in physicality, in 4th density physicality is your home and you are free to do with it as you please (mind over matter you could say).
Spirituality has nothing to do with this.
Purpose of 'life' is just to learn lessons in what density doesn't matter, everything there is.. is lessons! how you deal and act upon those lessons IS YOUR CHOICE and YOUR FREE WILL.
Also they are service-to-self in 4th density, this means in some way they are draining negative energy to 'stay alive' as they have put themselves in this situation.
Our collective conscioussness is slowly following this trend but is now changing.
It is true that reptillians are far more advanced in technology as they use technology from 4th density. This includes timetravel (for them it is not timetravel), interdimensional travel and so on..

DNA is but a blueprint that translates 4th density or higher into 3rd density matter.
As is our brain, it helps facilitate the thinking process from 4th or higher to 3rd.

P.S. also i think our consciousness has 'chosen' for physicality as this gives the chance to (in our perspective - 3rd density thinking) learn and go trough the cycles much faster. when you are in 6th or above density the cycles are much slower/more coherent instead of going all over the place from one situation to another in 3rd or 4th density.

Peace

[Teakai]

Nonsense, reptilians renegades are just more advanced technologically since they are an older race than humans on Earth. :sorry:


Does that mean there are some reptilians that are good guys and it's just the renegades that are the problem?

And if so, where are the good guy reptilians?

And do you think the same force that created the human created the reptilian?

[SkepticSoul]

it's not about good guy, bad guy.
there are service to self and service to others
good and evil DOES NOT EXIST
we see evil but infact it's just the universe balancing out.
The universe is all about balance!
so again, there are STS reptillians AND STO reptillians, but the STO's don't interfere 'unless asked to specificly'. The moment u start interfering without consent of the other = STS

peace

[Teakai]

it's not about good guy, bad guy.
there are service to self and service to others
good and evil DOES NOT EXIST
we see evil but infact it's just the universe balancing out.
The universe is all about balance!
so again, there are STS reptillians AND STO reptillians, but the STO's don't interfere 'unless asked to specificly'. The moment u start interfering without consent of the other = STS

peace

Surely evil exists in action and in intent? If I plan to do great harm to another for my own gain then isn't my intent negative - aka evil?

And if there are reptilians who do STO - then why do they have to go about in disguise? Why didn't/don't they just exist in their natural form?

[Teakai]

Densities don't mean higher or lower vibrational state.
It is just a DIFFERENCE in AWARENESS.
In 3rd density we are trapped in physicality, in 4th density physicality is your home and you are free to do with it as you please (mind over matter you could say).
Spirituality has nothing to do with this.
Purpose of 'life' is just to learn lessons in what density doesn't matter, everything there is.. is lessons! how you deal and act upon those lessons IS YOUR CHOICE and YOUR FREE WILL.
Also they are service-to-self in 4th density, this means in some way they are draining negative energy to 'stay alive' as they have put themselves in this situation.Our collective conscioussness is slowly following this trend but is now changing.
It is true that reptillians are far more advanced in technology as they use technology from 4th density. This includes timetravel (for them it is not timetravel), interdimensional travel and so on..

DNA is but a blueprint that translates 4th density or higher into 3rd density matter.
As is our brain, it helps facilitate the thinking process from 4th or higher to 3rd.

P.S. also i think our consciousness has 'chosen' for physicality as this gives the chance to (in our perspective - 3rd density thinking) learn and go trough the cycles much faster. when you are in 6th or above density the cycles are much slower/more coherent instead of going all over the place from one situation to another in 3rd or 4th density.

Peace

For what reason do you see that they would choose to put themselves in this situation.

Is it your opinion that it is all about lessons that lead to our spiritual growth? And if so - how does choosing to drain the energy and living from the fear of another do that?

[SkepticSoul]

i said they entrapped themselves, they didn't choose this.

Teakai, you are strictly seeing things in 3rd density thinking.
For you it may be that an act of killing someone on this planet is an act of evil, but in higher densities it is not.
Fear and such is a negative energy, and these STS feed on this negative energy... you could say they have become obsessed, it's like a drug to them this negative energy they feeding from us... u follow?

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Is it your opinion that it is all about lessons that lead to our spiritual growth? And if so - how does choosing to drain the energy and living from the fear of another do that?

I can't help but see and think that you believe that spiritual growth is all about love and peace and unconditional happiness and such...
it's not...
spiritual growth is about learning, all there is is lessons. your growth of the soul is about getting knowledge, figuring out how the universe works etc...

[Teakai]

i said they entrapped themselves, they didn't choose this.

But you wrote:



Purpose of 'life' is just to learn lessons in what density doesn't matter, everything there is.. is lessons! how you deal and act upon those lessons IS YOUR CHOICE and YOUR FREE WILL.Also they are service-to-self in 4th density, this means in some way they are draining negative energy to 'stay alive' as they have put themselves in this situation.Peace

So if the reptilians entrapped themselves – then they did choose it. Using their own freewill and choice.
Even if it is like some kind of fetish – they still make the choice. Just like a gambler makes the choice to gamble.



Teakai, you are strictly seeing things in 3rd density thinking.

Why do you think so?



For you it may be that an act of killing someone on this planet is an act of evil, but in higher densities it is not.
Fear and such is a negative energy, and these STS feed on this negative energy... you could say they have become obsessed, it's like a drug to them this negative energy they feeding from us... u follow?

I didn’t introduce ‘evil’ into the conversation. You did. I used the term good guys and bad guys – as in negative and positive according to their actions.

Define evil.




I can't help but see and think that you believe that spiritual growth is all about love and peace and unconditional happiness and such...
it's not...
spiritual growth is about learning, all there is is lessons. your growth of the soul is about getting knowledge, figuring out how the universe works etc...

I’m not sure why you would draw this conclusion when I asked:

what if these reptillians are more spiritually advanced and in order to progress from the particular spiritual level they are at, they have, as do we, have to overcome their material/physical state and desires - only their challenge is greater because their lesson is greater because they are more spiritually evolved (just a thought).


Doesn’t that question indicate that what may seem on a physical level to be a negative thing, may, on a spiritual level be a very positive thing – depending on the lesson one takes from it?

It would also suggest that I’m not just seeing the situation in 3D thinking.

I see spiritual growth as experiencing and growing spiritually – and there are quicker ways to get there than others, based on the choices we make with our freewill.

[SkepticSoul]

u got me all wrong^^

evil = bad = negative, whatever you want to call it, it's all the same thing/concept.

What is spiritual growth for you? describe the concept for me.

about the choice...

Ofcourse they chose to be in this situation they are in. this doesn't mean they deliberatly chose for this... If this is the case then wouldn't u agree to say they entrapped themselves in this situation that they need to feed on negative energy? When you make a choice, but the endresult is not what you wished for isn't that being entrapped? even when entrapping yourself it is still a trap^^

peace

[SkepticSoul]

also, possibly they have 'chosen' to 'stay' in this state of being because perhaps it 'acts' like a drug, a good feeling or whatever...
what you think?

[SkepticSoul]

I just had another tought^^

Speaking of evil...

In our time there has been lots of 'anomolies' like beasts and creatures of all sorts suddenly coming out on the surface and all that.
These creatures are seen as evil or the 'work of the devil' or sumthing like that.
What if there were dimensional or density 'rips' in the dimensional curtains and these creatures came from 'the other side'.
Think about it^^

[Teakai]

u got me all wrong^^

Skeptic, I don’t have you anyway at all. You don’t answer any of the questions I ask in order to get a clearer picture of what it is you’re meaning .


evil = bad = negative, whatever you want to call it, it's all the same thing/concept.

Then how can you say this evil/bad/negativity doesn’t exist? It exists all around us – it is only the way we understand it that changes.


What is spiritual growth for you? describe the concept for me.


For me spiritual growth is that which adds to our spiritual nature.

Yes, a negative/evil experience can still be helpful by teaching us what not to do – that makes for a long learning process, though.
Of course we may also be the doer of something evil for someone else’s learning experience.


about the choice...

Ofcourse they chose to be in this situation they are in. this doesn't mean they deliberatly chose for this... If this is the case then wouldn't u agree to say they entrapped themselves in this situation that they need to feed on negative energy? When you make a choice, but the endresult is not what you wished for isn't that being entrapped? even when entrapping yourself it is still a trap^^

peace

But don’t humans make that choice all the time too? Entrapping themselves by their actions and their thoughts? Using others in a negative way to make themselves feel more adequate?
Making and desiring riches and comfort from the blood of others?
Treating other lifeforms as nothing more than dumb animals?

So- on a physical level aren’t we just as entrapped as the reptilians - and didn’t we all choose it by our own actions – be they conscious or unconscious?

But coming at it from a soul perspective – we, as would be the reptilians, would be on a plane that is necessary for our particular level of soul growth.

As we have choice as soul to choose our experiences and overcome and learn – wouldn’t the same apply for those souls inhabiting a reptilian body?

[Teakai]

also, possibly they have 'chosen' to 'stay' in this state of being because perhaps it 'acts' like a drug, a good feeling or whatever...
what you think?

Possibly, some might. As might some souls who have inhabited the human form.

But once the physical form has passed do you think that all souls return to that place from which they came?
That place which doesn't carry with it the negativity and heaviness of the physical form - that would surely, in my thinking be vastly greater than any drug.

I can only think that very inexperienced souls would choose to remain in such a negative state.

To think that the reptilians are very inexperienced souls on these grounds would be a mistake - perhaps their challenge to overcome their own egoic greed may be a far greater challenge.

And thinking about it - what they are doing to us - is really not that different to what we do to animals.



Just to be clear about this - are the reptilians supposed to be the 'ptb' that we see disguised in human form? Or are the reptilians controlling the humans that we see as the 'ptb'?

[Teakai]

I just had another tought^^

Speaking of evil...

In our time there has been lots of 'anomolies' like beasts and creatures of all sorts suddenly coming out on the surface and all that.
These creatures are seen as evil or the 'work of the devil' or sumthing like that.
What if there were dimensional or density 'rips' in the dimensional curtains and these creatures came from 'the other side'.
Think about it^^

Sure.

Perhaps we ourselves would be able to enter into other dimensions - or at least see into other dimensions if we were able to attune our frequency to do so.
(or had access to the technology that enabled us to do so)

But as far as them being evil goes - I'm not sure what that means.
All through history mankind has been keeping mankind as slaves and killing each other in wars.
Perhaps it is just a mindstate that differs from our own and is therefore considered to be 'evil'.

[noxon medem]

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Want to bring this into attention here, connected to the repeting reptilian discussion.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/403303/The-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider-2005
Revelations of an Elite Family Insider.
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This man also claims that the Annunaki are now gone, but it will not be revealed for
another 15.000 (!) years, when the documents, already made, will be "found".
He also say that people like David Icke has been targeted with witnesses giving him
a false representation of the Reptilian presence, including the shapeshifting-bit.
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Found it on this thread on avalon, where it is somewhat discussed.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?766-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider
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Anyway its interesting reading, and like most else its validity uncertain.
Interesting following this similar thread on another forum
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1
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- Hope you misunderstand me in the right way
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norsk: - Håper du misforstår meg rett ....
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:- )
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[Teakai]

Sorry - accidental posting.

[noxon medem]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/403303/The-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider-2005
Some paragraph copied from the Revelations of Elite family Insider:
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Q:
Now the question is, who is using Icke?
and better question... Why?
A:
Icke has a core of truth he is trying to pass.
What he does not realise is that this actually works against him.
The reptilian part was fed him by the ones who work for the bloodlines.
In a period of 7, 8 months he was bombarded with "victims" who witnessed shape-shifting,
satanic rituals, etc. in such a way he could not refuse to not believe it.
Sometimes the "witnesses" were lead to him a few times a day, depending on his location.
Others like Icke (and there are more than you think) have been fed similar stories.
Really, I am not reptilian.
The answer why does not have to be answered
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[SkepticSoul]

For me spiritual growth is that which adds to our spiritual nature.

Yes, a negative/evil experience can still be helpful by teaching us what not to do – that makes for a long learning process, though.
Of course we may also be the doer of something evil for someone else’s learning experience.

But don’t humans make that choice all the time too? Entrapping themselves by their actions and their thoughts? Using others in a negative way to make themselves feel more adequate?
Making and desiring riches and comfort from the blood of others?
Treating other lifeforms as nothing more than dumb animals?

So- on a physical level aren’t we just as entrapped as the reptilians - and didn’t we all choose it by our own actions – be they conscious or unconscious?

But coming at it from a soul perspective – we, as would be the reptilians, would be on a plane that is necessary for our particular level of soul growth.

As we have choice as soul to choose our experiences and overcome and learn – wouldn’t the same apply for those souls inhabiting a reptilian body?

We also as humans have made our OWN choices to be in this state of being and with that choice you got your lessons that come with it xD
This all manifests in 3rd density.
Also for the reptillians (there are also STO reptillians remember, not all reptillians are negative oriented beings) It is possible that reptillians have graduated into 6th and beyond density... but are still negative oriented. This doesn't mean they are 'evil or negative' in a 3rd density concept. Remember the universe is all about balance. there is negative aswell as positive energy. So basicly i don't see the reptillians as being 'negative' from our perspective. They do what they do because perhaps it's a 'consciousness contract' (i don't think this is the case tough) but a possibility for us to learn that this is not the way..

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scepticsoul:
We also as humans have made our OWN choices to be in this state of being and with that choice you got your lessons that come with it xD
This all manifests in 3rd density.
Also for the reptillians (there are also STO reptillians remember, not all reptillians are negative oriented beings) It is possible that reptillians have graduated into 6th and beyond density... but are still negative oriented. This doesn't mean they are 'evil or negative' in a 3rd density concept. Remember the universe is all about balance. there is negative aswell as positive energy. So basicly i don't see the reptillians as being 'negative' from our perspective. They do what they do because perhaps it's a 'consciousness contract' (i don't think this is the case tough) but a possibility for us to learn that this is not the way..


if a wolf kills a lamb, it is not because it's evil, it's because it's smart enough to manipulate a lamb into a dinner mode...if you asked the lamb, however, it'll call this an act of evil...

there's this thing called natural enemies.. i wouldn't be surprised to hear that reptiloids regards themselves good in nature, sure, they are probably good for themselves and are protecting their world/status in relation to humans..they came up with a formula which works for them...a bit like our own 3d crocodile species...did you know they don't evolve any more? for millions of years they don't, because they reached a point of completion in that sense....they are not evil for having a jaw perfectly developed to devour an anytelope or a zebra...i bet zebras don't think the same...they probably feel crocs are evil :yu: l



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[Wood]

This notion that DNA is the controlling aspect of life. What silly crap!
DNA is nothing more than the control system for a 3D piece of "soul-less, yet viable meat". End of story.
To assume this is the be-all end-all of existence is true poverty.

It comes down to this:
Do you have a soul?
Is it yours to 'operate'?

If the answer to either one is 'No.', then why waste time learning/worrying all this silly stuff?
A No means we, as conscious life are nothing more than furniture. Better to spend our time talking the latest fashions in upholstery.

If both come up 'yes', then all this crap is marginal distraction, at best. Better to get on with what each of us came here to do. ;)


The problem, as I see it, is that the reptilians tweaked our DNA to make it very difficult for our soul to 'operate' in the world through the body. Our bodies drug us to reward certain type of actions and we are junkies. Our societies contain lots of ideas that build on that fact, and we even invent new ways to keep ourselves drugged. External drugs (alcohol, cocaine, etc) work just because they are replacements for chemicals that the body use...
This is the trap.

I think the only way to break out of this addiction is, unfortunately, a hard one: that of the asceticism, that many religions contain references to. The truth is simple and in front of our eyes. It is hard to embrace it, though. And, of course, the PTBs have designed a modern world around us to make that path as difficult as possible.

Once we are sober we will see the true colours around us and we'll be able to interact with the world with the full power of our spirit.

EDIT: I'll repost here a fragment of other post:


http://imgur.com/bx3Og.jpg
That is a lion headed human-god trapped by the serpent (that goes by many names), but the ability to break free from the deception lies entirely within himself (he can 'kill' the serpent).
I believe there is a larger sphere with true colours waiting for us once we start paying less attention to the very limited colours we see around us at the moment. However, everything is designed to keep us focused here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4949-E.T.-Origins-of-Mankind-Q-amp-A&p=62754&viewfull=1#post62754

[Teakai]

We also as humans have made our OWN choices to be in this state of being and with that choice you got your lessons that come with it xD
This all manifests in 3rd density.
Also for the reptillians (there are also STO reptillians remember, not all reptillians are negative oriented beings) It is possible that reptillians have graduated into 6th and beyond density... but are still negative oriented. This doesn't mean they are 'evil or negative' in a 3rd density concept. Remember the universe is all about balance. there is negative aswell as positive energy. So basicly i don't see the reptillians as being 'negative' from our perspective. They do what they do because perhaps it's a 'consciousness contract' (i don't think this is the case tough) but a possibility for us to learn that this is not the way..

Hi Skeptic - I don't disagree with any of the above. It seems to me that we're pretty much saying the same thing.

[Teakai]

The problem, as I see it, is that the reptilians tweaked our DNA to make it very difficult for our soul to 'operate' in the world through the body. Our bodies drug us to reward certain type of actions and we are junkies. Our societies contain lots of ideas that build on that fact, and we even invent new ways to keep ourselves drugged. External drugs (alcohol, cocaine, etc) work just because they are replacements for chemicals that the body use...
This is the trap.

I think the only way to break out of this addiction is, unfortunately, a hard one: that of the asceticism, that many religions contain references to. The truth is simple and in front of our eyes. It is hard to embrace it, though. And, of course, the PTBs have designed a modern world around us to make that path as difficult as possible.
Once we are sober we will see the true colours around us and we'll be able to interact with the world with the full power of our spirit.

EDIT: I'll repost here a fragment of other post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4949-E.T.-Origins-of-Mankind-Q-amp-A&p=62754&viewfull=1#post62754

I do very much agree, Wood.

Man know thyself - but every distraction has been tossed in front of his path. Still - it remains our choice to disregard those distractions, free ourselves from the clasp of the serpent and find ourself.

[shiva777]

in ordere to TRULY free yourselves you need to understand the CONTEXT of the situation you are in...sadly most new-agey and religious "know thyself" type info is far from enough to free yourself...they are teaching you how to get furthur trapped in the reptilian "ascension" dimensional trap

[lightblue]

in ordere to TRULY free yourselves you need to understand the CONTEXT of the situation you are in...sadly most new-agey and religious "know thyself" type info is far from enough to free yourself...they are teaching you how to get furthur trapped in the reptilian "ascension" dimensional trap


what do you propose except ashayanna dean doctrine? thanks l



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[Fredkc]

sadly most new-agey and religious "know thyself" type info is far from enough to free yourself.
Precisely what is?

Surely intimate knowledge of how 'incorrect' one approach is, must come with a clue as to a foothold on what path will.
Fred

[shiva777]

Lisa Renee,Meg benedicte and some others also offer techniques,meditations and info that go beyond ,for example,
the reptilian inspired new-agey LIE that the 5th dimension and above are pure and beyond polarity...the negative ET's exist all the way thorugh to the 11th dimension and they are still very much involved in disseminating new-agey channelings and teachings that pose no threat to their agendas and "healing modalities" that FEEL good but are damaging peoples DNA....love ande light without wisdom leads to slavery

[Beth]

.the negative ET's exist all the way thorugh to the 11th dimension and they are still very much involved in disseminating new-agey channelings and teachings that pose no threat to their agendas and "healing modalities" that FEEL good but are damaging peoples DNA....love ande light without wisdom leads to slavery

How do they damage the DNA?

[lightblue]

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shiva777
.love ande light without wisdom leads to slavery

love and light and wisdom are inseparable :) l




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[Dale]

the negative ET's exist all the way thorugh to the 11th dimension and they are still very much involved in disseminating new-agey channelings and teachings [...]

An honest question, here.

What interest would an "11th Density Being" have in exerting control over infinitesimally smaller human beings?

I can truthfully say that I've taken time to read up and study Ms. Deane's work, but by no means, am I able to comprehend a fragment of it.

[lightblue]

dale
An honest question, here.

What interest would an "11th Density Being" have in exerting control over infinitesimally smaller human beings?

I can truthfully say that I've taken time to read up and study Ms. Deane's work, but by no means, am I able to comprehend a fragment of it


mrs dean's doctrine was discussed at length on this forum; there are quite a few threads devoted to it and nobody, i mean nobody understands it - to he point that i think it was not meant to be comprehensible, instead, as if it's meant to draw you into a groopy style fun club..lots of dazzling looking charts with little verifiable substance...the way i see it is that she does not want you to understand but to believe it and simply support her work by attending workshops, sticking to instructions and canvasing for new followship... makes my stomach churn.. :bad: l



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[bluestflame]

manipulating beings in a state of unawareness , causing fear and confusion ,, was a part of the movie the matrix where humans outside the matrix were portrayed as being living batteries ,

fear and confusion are energies that those beings mentioned as enslavers trive on ,

what does someone that thirsts for power want ? , more power , it's an addiction

[Ross]

Reps...pffft...They dont rule me...AD's 'correct' way out is B/S...imo, I find my own way, without the crap of 'this is what u have to do' thrown my way...A life of lies and deceit from many corners has made me stronger and in full belief of my own sovereignty. Im free'r than Ive ever been and for now thats good enough. :p

Regards

Ross

[truthseekerdan]

An honest question, here.

What interest would an "11th Density Being" have in exerting control over infinitesimally smaller human beings?

I can truthfully say that I've taken time to read up and study Ms. Deane's work, but by no means, am I able to comprehend a fragment of it.

Maybe because she's an "11th Density Bean"...:wink:

[Teakai]

in ordere to TRULY free yourselves you need to understand the CONTEXT of the situation you are in...sadly most new-agey and religious "know thyself" type info is far from enough to free yourself...they are teaching you how to get furthur trapped in the reptilian "ascension" dimensional trap

Hi Shiva, I don't know very much about new age information, but some of the stuff I have listened to doesn't resonate with me at all and so I would agree with you about people getting further trapped into delusion and illusion and allowing other's to decide for them what is truth and what isn't.

I'm thinking to truly know oneself, one would need to go to the source (one's self) and start from there.

[SkepticSoul]

How do they damage the DNA?

DNA can be changed trough light-waves that carry information.
The Sun is a DNA-changer ^^.

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I don't know if 11th density 'actualy' exists in whatever perspective your in...
you can discuss for millions of years how many densities there are to graduate to.
But I believe in the principal 7 densities. I do not wish to debate about the number of densities.

Peace

[shiva777]

many people understand much of ashayana Deanes work...it's MOSTLY not that difficult to understand and when you practice the techniques you will see how powerful they are...but I see how those of you who don't understand it can get so upset about it...but,if you don't get it or haven't looked deeply in to it what makes you think you can judge it then?..I know it scares and overwhelms many people ...the reptilian ET Truth will come out soon and that will scare most people and having an empowering system of techniques to deal with these issues will be an invaluable asset in the near future.

For anyone who has seriously looked in to the Reptilian invasion issue to discount it as rubbish clearly shows that they are not ready to face reality,they are too fragile to seriously face the FACTS...this is proj Avalon and many ,if not most,of the insiders and ET experiencers interviewed by Bill, and Kerry testify to the fact that reptilian ET's have been and are here now...but as usual,it's just too paradigm changing for many people to seriously consider or accept,they have been conditioned by society and new-agey delusions to only deal with surface level stuff///that will no longer be possible as cellular memory returns and people will have to FACE the reality of ET involvement both good and bad...try opening your minds a little wider and then wake up as soon as you can,it will be much less of a shock to you

[truthseekerdan]

Why this thread that is about reptilians, is turning out to be another praise & worship to A.D.'s and her work?
Is she one of them...:confused:

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shiva777:
many people understand much of ashayana Deanes work...it's MOSTLY not that difficult to understand and when you practice the techniques you will see how powerful they are...but I see how those of you who don't understand it can get so upset about it...but,if you don't get it or haven't looked deeply in to it what makes you think you can judge it then?..I know it scares and overwhelms many people ...the reptilian ET Truth will come out soon and that will scare most people and having an empowering system of techniques to deal with these issues will be an invaluable asset in the near future.

For anyone who has seriously looked in to the Reptilian invasion issue to discount it as rubbish clearly shows that they are not ready to face reality,they are too fragile to seriously face the FACTS...this is proj Avalon and many ,if not most,of the insiders and ET experiencers interviewed by Bill, and Kerry testify to the fact that reptilian ET's have been and are here now...but as usual,it's just too paradigm changing for many people to seriously consider or accept,they have been conditioned by society and new-agey delusions to only deal with surface level stuff///that will no longer be possible as cellular memory returns and people will have to FACE the reality of ET involvement both good and bad...try opening your minds a little wider and then wake up as soon as you can,it will be much less of a shock to you


really not impressed by your missionary endeavour..there are so many threads devoted to ashayanna deane, there's a special sub-forum too and it seems you are relentlessly trying to promote it in nearly every thread there is....l


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[Teakai]

many people understand much of ashayana Deanes work...it's MOSTLY not that difficult to understand and when you practice the techniques you will see how powerful they are...but I see how those of you who don't understand it can get so upset about it...but,if you don't get it or haven't looked deeply in to it what makes you think you can judge it then?..I know it scares and overwhelms many people ...the reptilian ET Truth will come out soon and that will scare most people and having an empowering system of techniques to deal with these issues will be an invaluable asset in the near future.

For anyone who has seriously looked in to the Reptilian invasion issue to discount it as rubbish clearly shows that they are not ready to face reality,they are too fragile to seriously face the FACTS...this is proj Avalon and many ,if not most,of the insiders and ET experiencers interviewed by Bill, and Kerry testify to the fact that reptilian ET's have been and are here now...but as usual,it's just too paradigm changing for many people to seriously consider or accept,they have been conditioned by society and new-agey delusions to only deal with surface level stuff///that will no longer be possible as cellular memory returns and people will have to FACE the reality of ET involvement both good and bad...try opening your minds a little wider and then wake up as soon as you can,it will be much less of a shock to you

Hi Shiva,
does this mean that you don't consider Ashayan Deane to be 'new age'?

"man know thyself" has been the oldest advice ever given to mankind, so why would it be considered to be new age advice?

What is 'new age' exactly?

[bashi]

I remember reading that during the Philadelphia Experiment one guy was catapulted into the future. He woke up in a hospital where he was kept for several weeks. He was able to confirm two events:
A drastic reconfiguration of the world’s coastlines and a reptilian invasion. I think it was told to him that millions of them came in on a feasting frenzy, mainly into the bigger cities. But they did not last for long and were later “defeated”.
That would be only one possible timeline inside a very weird story which involves also the Montauk Project.

[Teakai]

I remember reading that during the Philadelphia Experiment one guy was catapulted into the future. He woke up in a hospital where he was kept for several weeks. He was able to confirm two events:
A drastic reconfiguration of the world’s coastlines and a reptilian invasion. I think it was told to him that millions of them came in on a feasting frenzy, mainly into the bigger cities. But they did not last for long and were later “defeated”.
That would be only one possible timeline inside a very weird story which involves also the Montauk Project.


That would be on McDonalds and KFC, right?

Right?!?!?!?!?!?
:eek:

[bashi]

One explanation for this to happen is that the densities are merging/getting mixed up. One negative fallout is the ability for a mass-materialization from different densities.
Thats Wilcock anticlockwise...

btw: is he not now advising to stock up on essentials?

[Victoria Tintagel]

Hey Avaloneans, the damage or change in our DNA is an interesting subject and I know lots of good and bad stuff can be used to influence our DNA.
The Sun does that too as our Love for ourselves. I know this.
Once I did a presentation on the Immune System and our DNA, which I prepared during huge changes in my Immune System.
Which one was first I don't remember, I mean did the changes begin or did the presentation start this change.....:)
Nowadays our DNA is changing, there's more chromosomes being turned "ON".
Children born with HIV are able to get rid of it by their different DNA.
Are reptilians a threat to our awakening? I don't like the way they are presented as "THEY are the enemy!"
What if we are their ancestors or vice versa? I think that we will learn and know, while we awaken to our true nature.
Snakes love dark shadowy places, shunning the light.....they are creatures of great beauty and teachers of wisdom, duality thinking isn't helpful.
Slitherin's Tint.

[Steven]

How do they damage the DNA?

I don't know dear, but what I think is plausible is this. Ultraviolet rays does altered the dna structure by altering is base sequence. Here a bit more on this idea: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WK7-4FBH531-3&_user=10&_coverDate=09%2F20%2F1989&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1516256177&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=eca41421746eff15c26d838fbf707885&searchtype=a

Naturally, what protect all life on Earth from a full impact of ultraviolet rays is the ozone layer in the atmosphere : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet

It is logical to think that without a proper ozone layer, we would be, hum... toasted.

Namaste, Steven

[Celine]

toasted? or altered?

[Steven]

toasted? or altered?

:) Well, toasted would mean altered for sure. No worry though, I'm sure it won't happen.

Namaste, Steven

[Victoria Tintagel]

Posted by Beth:
How do they damage the DNA?

As far as I know, our DNA is constructed by interbreeding with the Annunaki, "Gods sons that walked with the women of this Earth" well...they did something else too....:)
Children that are the offspring of this interbreeding, are supposed to be the humans that mined the gold in African mines...
but this is such a story, Zacharia Sitchin has lots of books about that.
And no doubt there's much more written about this.
The fun part is that we ourselves can change our DNA, by the use of Love....there's a fascinating connection between merging in love and the use of creative capacities.
Of course one manifestation of that is as common as old: having children. But there's much more to it, and the ancient Egyptian mystery schools were involved in these teachings.
There are couples who managed to overcome physical death and became everlasting, so to speak. That's what I can tell about the change of DNA, damage or not. Cheers, Sunny Tint.

[Fredkc]

Rather than go back to check if I already mentioned this, I will say it again.

DNA proceeds from consciousness, not the other way around. Otherwise, we are a soul-less soup of chemicals, and we are all wasting our time with this.

Changing, fooling with the basic DNA structure, without a complete understanding of every nuance is a fool's game. One might be justified in asking, Is good intent good enough?" when you consider what lies beneath.

Google using the following terms: junk DNA mice cancer comment
and you get some surprising things.


http://www.biosciencetechnology.com/News/Feeds/2010/05/products-cell-biology-junk-dna-drives-cancer-growth/
Researchers from the University of Leeds, UK, the Charité University Medical School and the Max Delbrück Centre for Molecular Medicine (MDC) in Berlin, Germany, have discovered a new driving force behind cancer growth.

Their studies have identified how 'junk' DNA promotes the growth of cancer cells in patients with Hodgkin's lymphoma. Professor Constanze Bonifer (University of Leeds) and Dr Stephan Mathas (Charité, MDC) who co-led the study suspect that these pieces of 'junk' DNA, called 'long terminal repeats', can play a role in other forms of cancer as well. The work is published in Nature Medicine.*

The researchers uncovered the process by which this 'junk DNA' is made active, promoting cancer growth.

"We have shown this is the case in Hodgkin's lymphoma, but the exact same mechanism could be involved in the development of other forms of blood cancer," said Prof. Bonifer. "This would have implications for diagnosis, prognosis, and therapy of these diseases."

'Long terminal repeats' (LTRs) are a form of 'junk DNA' - genetic material that has accumulated in the human genome over millions of years. Although LTRs originate from viruses and are potentially harmful, they are usually made inactive when embryos are developing in the womb.

Nature has gone to a lot of trouble to "comment out" much of the building blocks in how we got here. Studies where strands that have been de-activated by nature, are made active again produce some very unfriendly things.

Fooling with such things, in the 'bottom-up' nature of modern science just doesn't make me feel warm 'n fuzzy.
Fred

[Beth]

I was asking Shiva777, because I believe the notion is ridiculous. This comes from someone that spent many years studying science. DNA is the basis of our physical body. Our body doesn't have a soul, our soul inhabits a body.

[Luke]

I was asking Shiva777, because I believe the notion is ridiculous. This comes from someone that spent many years studying science. DNA is the basis of our physical body. Our body doesn't have a soul, our soul inhabits a body.
That or as I started to see it recently : our soul builds the body interacting with borrowed matter, according to local (ie. Gaia's ) rules. A merger of sorts.

All in all, DNA is a blueprint for physical part, and only that, though you can change material experience fiddling with it.

Just consider how many of what we collectively call emotions are just chemical signals. Sure there are much deeper, true ones, but for untrained person discernment between the two is near impossible. Another example is ego-chatter. It takes hard work to learn where the message is coming from.

This also means whatever Reps did was on rules part.

[shiva777]

you guys don't seem to get that the body and spirit are NOT SEPERATE,when more of your DNA activates you embody and experience more of your spirit,when you reincarnate it is a RESULT of your DNA still needing more healing and awakening...hence your DNA directly determines how your spirit manifests

...studying mainstream science will just give you a very superficial look at DNA dynamics and most other things..every year they discover new things about DNA and that will continue,We are still very primitive in terms of science,proj avalon interviews should have taught you that by now...

[shiva777]

putting it simply ALL conciousness expressing has ARCHITECTURE,design...DNA IS the design,just as you guys make presumptions that DNA only relates to PHYSICAL expression,try opening your minds a little and considering that DNA EXISTS IN SPIRIT as well...it is the architecture of non-physical experience also

[Bill Ryan]

DNA proceeds from consciousness, not the other way around. Otherwise, we are a soul-less soup of chemicals, and we are all wasting our time with this.


You go, Fred.

We designed and built the car: and then we drive it. But the limitations or capabilities of the car appear to reflect our 'personality'.

There is an inter-relationship, of course: we choose the car, we may like driving certain cars certain ways, and some of us are skilled drivers that need a specific kind of vehicle in order to do what we want to do.

There's also some competition for the best new cars - and sometimes cars are hijacked (or simply exchanged).

When this happens, the same car, with a different driver, still looks much the same from the outside. But the destination may become different.

To leave the metaphor: DNA is important. But one's spiritual capacity, experience, and intentions are all senior to the 'vehicle' we drive.

[shiva777]

one's "spiritual capacity" and ones DNA are the SAME THING...the "vehicle we drive" depends on our DNA configuration..try thinking about DNA as not just being what our primitive science perceives it to be but as the carrier and conducter of conciousness on ALL levels,spiritual included...conciousness is DNA...try thinking multidimensionally,it is all connected DNA(architercture) just manifests differently in different dimensions

again,if you don't get that DNA is ARCHITECTURE that exists at both physical and non-physical planes you will be trapped by your LIMITED understandings and you will come to simplistic conclusions like bill has made here
"To leave the metaphor: DNA is important. But one's spiritual capacity, experience, and intentions are all senior to the 'vehicle' we drive. "...

[Wood]

I understand all spirits are very old. How comes we have different spiritual capacity or experience in driving the vehicle?

I still think our vehicle has been tweaked a long time ago to have short lifespans, and drunk drivers with impaired spiritual links.
I understand the spiritual link is the intuition, and it is obscured by (usually negative) emotions, needs, material desires, etc. That is the trap we live in, IMO. I think the metaphor of a drunk person is a good one.
However, I believe it is possible for us to be sober again within a lifetime. We just need to follow the right AA program.

[shiva777]

yep,we have definitely had lots of damage done to our conciousness/DNA...through reptilian/neg ET interference and many other factors

our spiritual capacity to both drive and TRANSMUTE our vehicles...for example many of us know that it is possible to dematerialise the body...depends on our level of DNA activation,some people spontaneously awaken and DNA just activates in Divine timing but most people who evolve spiritually( activate more of their DNA,more of themselves0conciousness) do so through concious practice and concious living...

[Bill Ryan]

one's "spiritual capacity" and ones DNA are the SAME THING

Well then, if I don't have a body, I can't have much spiritual capacity, then!

:)

So: I'd better come right back here and incarnate again, so that my spiritual capacity is increased....

See the trap?

[norman]

We have to jump into unity of 'spirit' and the force fields of both expansive and contractive space, before we can resolve such a riddle.

[shiva777]

Bill said "Well then, if I don't have a body, I can't have much spiritual capacity, then!".

.you obviously didn't really think about that one did you Bill...or did you but you can't see beyond physically manifested DNA?...remember everything that physically manifests,manifests in all other dimensions as well...it's all connected

we have spiritual bodies Bill,you know that don't you?...those spiritual bodies also have architecture/structure/conciousness/DNA expressed in more subtle manifestation,the kind that won't show up under a microscope as a double helix or whatever......so your statement is again simplistic

[Bill Ryan]

Bill said "Well then, if I don't have a body, I can't have much spiritual capacity, then!".

.you obviously didn't really think about that one did you Bill...or did you but you can't see beyond physically manifested DNA?...remember everything that physically manifests,manifests in all other dimensions as well...it's all connected

we have spiritual bodies Bill,you know that don't you?...those spiritual bodies also have architecture/structure/conciousness/DNA expressed in more subtle manifestation,the kind that won't show up under a microscope as a double helix or whatever......so your statement is again simplistic

The spiritual being who occupies and uses the body, and the body intelligence itself, are totally different entities.

Sometimes they stay connected, but certainly not always. Quite often we return to incarnate in a new body and we hook up with a different body intelligence. In that case, we will NOT physically resemble our previous incarnation.

But there's more likely to be a physical resemblance if we connect up again with the same body intelligence. All permutations are possible. Many spiritual beings out there are very free and certainly are not carrying around anything like you describe. Some, of course, may be.

It's pretty complex... maybe we can agree on that.

:)

[shiva777]

yep,multidimensional DNA is very complex ,that is for sure...statements such as this one that you made
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"Many spiritual beings out there are very free and certainly are not carrying around anything like you describe"

become very dubious when you factor in no time/space and multidimensionality

[Zook]

Hi Bill and Shiva777,


Well then, if I don't have a body, I can't have much spiritual capacity, then!
:)
So: I'd better come right back here and incarnate again, so that my spiritual capacity is increased....
See the trap?

I think you guys are saying the same thing. But let me illustrate. There are the integers 0 and 1. There are the real numbers between 0 and 1. If we assume the existence of two forms (mind and body) in a zero-one or zero-sum game; then why not view mind and body as different forms of the soul? More the further, that DNA is merely the vehicle of transit from one form to another? This way, the vehicle must exist at both ends of the transit, and in between?

In simpler words, when the soul is 0 (mind form), we would have full mind, no body. When the soul is 1 (body form), we would have full body, no mind. In between, we would have different hybrids of the soul (mind and body). This is just an illustration for understanding. 0 and 1 (in this context) are just labels, e.g. soul=0 should not be understood as the absence of soul but, rather, as the mindness of soul. With soul=1 being the bodyness of soul. Haven`t thought too much about it, having stumbled by chance on the debate intensity of the thread. I like intense debates, but hey ... I liked disco, too.

DNA, in this narrative, always exists. On the surface, this modeling defies logic and science; and introduces undesired paradoxes in those used to conventional logic and science, myself included. But really, we're all just one codon shift removed from somatic nonsense anyways, wot?

One consequence of this DNA narrative, is that DNA can be used to bring the soul into lower and lower density, e.g. by salvaging more and more of its "junk" components. The template would exist, as I said, across all densities. Just thinking out loud ... haven't yet recovered from the weak soak of coffee beans I had this morning.

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[Arpheus]

This thread is getting better as it grows,i like what i see,some very good points made by different people.

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shiva777

we have spiritual bodies Bill,you know that don't you?...those spiritual bodies also have architecture/structure/conciousness/DNA expressed in more subtle manifestation,the kind that won't show up under a microscope as a double helix or whatever......so your statement is again simplistic


so how do you determine they are there? thanks l



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[Agape]

I look at my own human entity as a kind of fossil , it's being petrified to present density so has to carry some mishapes as well and no matter how hard I push it to do something the way I'd like it to behave it still resists all my intelligent suggestions ..so I conclude it's much more stupid than I am.

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[bluestflame]

the spirit in the process of embracing the body more fully sharing awareness with each and every cell of it , right down to the subatomic level , and in this awareness shared through the collective through "body bluetooth" (it's how one person can affect the collective , in the sharing of awarenesses albeit as an "inspiration", awaking what deep down we already know but had become distracted from )

even dna is built upon an energetic foundation , the physical strands acting as an anchor for the non physical aspects

when the divine self connects in awareness (anchors)to the foundation , the circuit is complete enabling the release frm the illusion , cos we're a complete circuit , not seeking that connection outside of ourselves

it's the bodies "lower" urges that are our biggest source of distraction in its "bios" is an energetic overlay"illusion based" that has had us locked in the search outside for completion

to become aware of the moment of impulse to seek externally for the feeling of comfort, home, familiarity, (driven by fear and anxiety) to become of more conscious of the fear itself , and to be present with it , breathing with it and AS we provide the breath and our presence , the fear reduces , discharges , then we're more able to understand what's beneath it , what we'd forgotten , what we'd been conditioned to avoid under the guise of something else

is all food for thought ~☼~

[SkepticSoul]

DNA is very complicated my friends xD.
It is as many say.. the blueprint of our body and everything that includes with it.
this goes to the different dimensions as densities.
We 'see' a small percentage of our DNA 'activated' because that very same percentage represents the 3rd density level our awareness/conscioussness is at perhaps?
If we would perceive all from 4th density perspective maybe you'd see that the percentage we would see would be higher than from the perspective of 3rd density. SO... if the percentage would be 'upped' as we move into 4th density reality, this means we would experience a hole set of new things. this also means 'our body' can be like sooped-up or sumthing if you go with the metafor that our body is a vehicle for our spiritual self to experience stuff. this means that our vehicles are not originally meant to 'die' but instead we choose for A: a new vehicle or B: we give our vehicle a tune-up... get me?

Peace

[MariaDine]

How did we end up discussing Transmigration of Souls ???

The doctrine of gilgul (transmigration) is a classic example of a kabbalistic doctrine that was absorbed by Hasidism from the esoteric literature, especially from Lurian Kabbalah.

[SkepticSoul]

wth are u talking about? who or what is Lurian Kabbalah. Are you saying changing bodies or modifying bodies or 'vehicles of the soul' is a Devil thing?

[MariaDine]

This part of the text seems to refer the Dracos...

(...) They thought of themselves that they are beings existing by themselves and are without a source, since they do not see anything else existing before them. Therefore, they lived in disobedience and acts of rebellion, without having humbled themselves before the one because of whom they came into being.

They wanted to command one another, overcoming one another in their vain ambition, while the glory which they possess contains a cause of the system which was to be.

They are likenesses of the things which are exalted. They were brought to a lust for power in each one of them, according to the greatness of the name of which each is a shadow, each one imagining that it is superior to his fellows.

The thought of these others was not barren, but just like <those> of which they are shadows, all that they thought about they have as potential sons; those of whom they thought they had as offspring. Therefore, it happened that many offspring came forth from them, as fighters, as warriors, as troublemakers, as apostates. They are disobedient beings, lovers of power. All the other beings of this sort were brought forth from these.

6. The Imperfect Begetting by the Logos
in «The Tripartite Tratacte »
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/nag_hammadi/tripart.htm

[Fredkc]

What an interesting way of looking at it. Almost like the 'perfect crime'.
First, cut off the head.
Then present the rest as part & parcel of creation.

This eliminates a key question from arising;
"Why would a perfect creator create imperfection?"

Fred

[MariaDine]

wth are u talking about? who or what is Lurian Kabbalah. Are you saying changing bodies or modifying bodies or 'vehicles of the soul' is a Devil thing?
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No! I'm not saying anything of the sort.

Issac Luria was a Rabi of XVI century and in Lurianic Kabbalah, reincarnation is not retributive or fatalistic, but an expression of Divine compassion, the microcosm of the doctrine of cosmic rectification of creation.

«Gilgul» is a heavenly agreement with the individual soul, conditional upon circumstances. Luria's radical system focused on rectification of the Divine soul, played out through Creation.
The true essence of anything is the divine spark within that gives it existence. Even a stone or leaf possesses such a soul that "came into this world to receive a rectification". A human soul may occasionally be exiled into lower inanimate, vegetative or animal creations. The most basic component of the soul, the nefesh, must leave at the cessation of blood production. There are four other soul components and different nations of the world possess different forms of souls with different purposes. Each Jewish soul is reincarnated in order to fulfil each of the 613 Mosaic commandments that elevate a particular spark of holiness associated with each commandment. Once all the Sparks are redeemed to their spiritual source, the Messianic Era begins.

...........so it is a reencarnational doutrine . But in the Tradition, one identifies four basic situations:

Souls (or sparks of souls) that already had been in the world, which return and revive the bodies of humans.
Disembodied souls that have not come to rest, which come to the tzaddik ( A righteous person with spiritual power ) to request their remedy.
Souls that have transmigrated into inanimate objects, flora, or fauna and that await their ascent-correction.
Disembodied souls (dybbukim) that enter the bodies of humans with souls of their own in anticipation of their correction through exorcism .

[MariaDine]

Fredick...then ...you are going to love this bit !!!


«The one who is in the Pleroma was what he first prayed to and remembered; then (he remembered) his brothers individually and (yet) always with one another; then all of them together; but before all of them, the Father. The prayer of the agreement was a help for him in his own return and (in that of) the Totality, for a cause of his remembering those who have existed from the first was his being remembered. This is the thought which calls out from afar, bringing him back.

All his prayer and remembering were numerous powers according to that limit. For there is nothing barren in his thought.

The powers were good and were greater than those of the likeness. For those belonging to the likeness also belong to a nature of falsehood. From an illusion of similarity and a thought of arrogance has come about that which they became. And they originate from the thought which first knew them. »

7. The Conversion of the Logos
in The Tipartite Tratacte