The continuing depravity of the Eurovision song contest

[Cardillac]

as I'm an opera-singer by profession music obviously plays a big role in my life; I continue to be flabbergasted by the continuous lack of "good voices" not only in the world of opera but in the world of "pop music"-

if anyone who is not living in Europe and is not aware of the Eurovision Song Contest it's an annual event (televised big-time) where each European country enters a singer/group representing the country and a multi-national "jury" decides on the winner; many international careers have been have been launched by this venue (start with the incredibly beautiful, velvety voice of Irishman Johnny Logan's "Just Another Year"- but he faded fast- he supposedly went into producing immediately afterwards)-

now add (this is where it starts to get "weird") that in later yrs. the Swedish winner group ABBA sang for the NETHERLANDS and Celine Dion sang (in French) for SWITZERLAND- Switzerland didn't win but it kick-started Celine Dion's career-

a few years ago Israel won the Eurovision song contest (since when does Israel belong to Europe?) by a trans-sexual-

look, folks, I'm gay (like who the f**k cares???!!!) but the following is just too much for me; it insults my intelligence and respect for music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRUIava4WRM

please stay well all-

Larry

[Soup]

your choice to react and you took it

[TigaHawk]

Ok I'm sorry - but to me it looks like you are purely outraged because the winner was a trans-sexual.

I am also gay (but apparently no-one cares?)

How does ones gender have anything to do with their voice?

It saddens me when i see people in the gay community showing the same disrespect, hate and discrimination against others that are in the same boat as them - but at the same time slightly different from them.

Surely you know what it's like to not fit what society has dictated be the only acceptable "normal"? How can you so easily turn around and do the exact same thing to another person???

Can you not even imagine what it feels like to not be comfortable in your own body? I can relate in a way. I feel similar when it comes to a Dress. I hate them. If i were to be forced to wear one i would feel the exact same way any straight man would be who had just been forced to wear a dress. Humiliated, exposed, and incredibly uncomfortable, perhaps even ashamed of how i look at the time.

You have no right to discriminate like that.

If you think the voting process was unfair (which from the sound of it is true, as a panel makes the decision without any input from the public) Then make a post about that. Do NOT attack someone because of their gender or how they identify.

[Cardillac]

@TigaHawk

your posting has left me completely in the dust, and I mean completely;

now let me break this down for you, step by step:

"but to me it looks like you are purely outraged because the winner was a trans-sexual"- no, I'm not outraged by a trans-sexual winning the the contest but by a "s**t" voice in the guise of a trans-sexual (are you following me so far?)-

next step: "How does ones gender have anything to do with their voice?"- one's gender has everything to do with one's voice; start with the concept of hormones that influence the human body (I assume you're aware of their existence- or am I being delusional at the moment?)-

"It saddens me when i see people in the gay community showing the same disrespect, hate and discrimination against others that are in the same boat as them - but at the same time slightly different from them"- honey, WAKE UP!!!- you, me, everyone else is a pawn in a game of much larger scope and the gay community is just a tiny fraction of the whole game- my statements (my thread) are just a wake-up call to you and others to finally see how the gay community is being manipulated for other nefarious reasons-

"It saddens me when i see people in the gay community showing the same disrespect, hate and discrimination against others that are in the same boat as them - but at the same time slightly different from them"-

if you are not yet aware of the "global game" out there you might want to research it- the info is out there if one is interested- now I'll break it down even farther so you will (hopefully) understand- just start (and it's just for pitiful starters) reading "nut-case" David Icke's view on how same-gender sex is being manipulated-

now I've skipped commenting on a paragraph or two of yours (silly me) but in following:

"You have no right to discriminate like that"- am I in the wrong film?- I just don't think you understood my posting/thread whatsoever; but it's ok- we're all coming from our own induced perspectives-

your posting/response has shocked me to the core; are you still not yet aware of "other forces" out there?- if not why are you here on this forum?-

be well-

Larry

[Flash]

her/his voice is not good, period - he/she learned to scream with a tang to it, that is about it

My daughter should win everytime then, because she is much better. But no, she does not have the "trans" anything or any particular that would make it "politically correct" to "must" like her.

What i do not like is the use of one sexuality to win instead of use of talents, starting with Keshe, going to Cyrus, and on and on.

[Cardillac]

@Flash

I'm an opera singer by profession so I think I know voices; this singer has a high male voice-

"What i do not like is the use of one sexuality to win instead of use of talents"- you and me both- but reality is different

[Flash]

Ok while at it, i will continue. I am, after many years being in a woman body, truly fed up of the fashion imposed by men of any gender lol, of the no hips, no breast, beautiful women - please, give me a break. Women have breast and hips and are beautiful, and they do have a light fat deposit enhance through their nature's hormone and this is beautiful. Why would i think otherwise??? She/he is not a woman but a man dressed as a woman. Period. Suit her/his fancy, great, but please do not use it to impose on boys or girls a fashion that they cannot meet and should not meet. Everyon can be happy then to be who they are, and if they have a particular fancy, great, but no winning with a bad voice because of it.

Don't you see the porn sites used at 8 by the little boys, the gay "policitally correct" fashion on boys/ girls, the hormones injected through food/water in all of us changing our sexual Outlook and even our capacity to reproduce, the constant onslaught on our sexuality.

Why: because the most efficient way to control is through sexual behavior, pair sex, pain and love and you have an explosive situation to control victims.

[GuyFox]

"Women have breast and hips and are beautiful, and they do have a light fat deposit enhance through their nature's hormone and this is beautiful. Why would i think otherwise??? She/he is not a woman but a man dressed as a woman. Period."

I agree completely.
The politically correct way this story was treated make me nauseous.

Let's put a Fork into it, and draw the line... Enough freakishness in the media!
Turn it off, when it turns you off.

I'm am happy to see that at least one gay poster here agree.

Does anyone really think his/her singing was better than mediocre?
I only listened for 30 seconds, and that was enough for me.

[TigaHawk]

@TigaHawk

your posting has left me completely in the dust, and I mean completely;

now let me break this down for you, step by step:

"but to me it looks like you are purely outraged because the winner was a trans-sexual"- no, I'm not outraged by a trans-sexual winning the the contest but by a "s**t" voice in the guise of a trans-sexual (are you following me so far?)-

next step: "How does ones gender have anything to do with their voice?"- one's gender has everything to do with one's voice; start with the concept of hormones that influence the human body (I assume you're aware of their existence- or am I being delusional at the moment?)-

"It saddens me when i see people in the gay community showing the same disrespect, hate and discrimination against others that are in the same boat as them - but at the same time slightly different from them"- honey, WAKE UP!!!- you, me, everyone else is a pawn in a game of much larger scope and the gay community is just a tiny fraction of the whole game- my statements (my thread) are just a wake-up call to you and others to finally see how the gay community is being manipulated for other nefarious reasons-

"It saddens me when i see people in the gay community showing the same disrespect, hate and discrimination against others that are in the same boat as them - but at the same time slightly different from them"-

if you are not yet aware of the "global game" out there you might want to research it- the info is out there if one is interested- now I'll break it down even farther so you will (hopefully) understand- just start (and it's just for pitiful starters) reading "nut-case" David Icke's view on how same-gender sex is being manipulated-

now I've skipped commenting on a paragraph or two of yours (silly me) but in following:

"You have no right to discriminate like that"- am I in the wrong film?- I just don't think you understood my posting/thread whatsoever; but it's ok- we're all coming from our own induced perspectives-

your posting/response has shocked me to the core; are you still not yet aware of "other forces" out there?- if not why are you here on this forum?-

be well-

Larry

Larry

I apologize - The way i read your post was you were outraged and disgusted because of who won. That is why i responded how i did. Now that i understand this is not the case - again i apologize.

And no i was not aware of David Icke's view on that - do you have a link?

Myself - i am 28 and only came to terms and accepted my feelings and who i am a year and a half ago. I still have a lot to learn. That is another reason why i am so defensive about that - because it was my hatred and nonacceptance that caused me so much pain for so long.

[Flash]

@Flash

I'm an opera singer by profession so I think I know voices; this singer has a high male voice-

"What i do not like is the use of one sexuality to win instead of use of talents"- you and me both- but reality is different

good then, i may have been voice biaised lollllllllllll because of the dressing.

[Ellisa]

You don't watch Eurovision for class--- it is the place that good taste forgot!!!

What you often do get is a political situation. Thus this year there were boos for every time Russia scored well, and by supporting a transexual singer it was possible to send Putin a message on how the majority of the Eurovision voters regarded his recent opposition to homosexuality and gay marriage.

I like Eurovision! It is very popular here in Australia. I have seen some dire acts win- ABBA and Celine Dion were rarities, the winner is often appalling. This year Conchetta Wurtz was very impressive! And her appearance was part of the statement her creator was making. Mainly he seemed to be literally saying that we should not judge on face value. Whilst the beard is hard to ignore it really has nothing to do with the song, which was one of the better ones. The Netherlands can rightly be a but fed-up not to win, but I think Conchetta's voice was quite OK for Eurovision. It is not The Met!

I can't wait to see what they have in store for us next year.

[ThePythonicCow]

the song, which was one of the better ones
Well, being forever tone deaf, and for many years generally hard of hearing, I'll have to take the word of others on the musical quality of his/her singing voice. From the comments above, I gather that the quality is somewhere between modest and miserable.

What I can see is that, pretty clearly, this Eurovision contest is being twisted, like so many (most?) main stream "cultural" events, to promote divisions between people.

When the controversial and "in your face" gender choices of the winning contestant overwhelms their musical talent, this is no accident. Please ... let us not waste our time on any side of this controversy as presented in by this Eurovision contest.

Men vs women, straight vs gay vs transgender vs bisexual, Catholic vs Protestant vs Jew vs Muslim vs Atheist, conservative vs liberal, nationalists vs separatists, black vs white vs yellow vs brown, Russians vs Yankees, Oriental vs Caucasian, east vs west, north vs south, young vs old, rich vs poor, fat vs skinny, elite vs enslaved, ... the bastards in power have been working on their Tower of Babel Project for how many millenia now?

I'll gladly wait until hell freezes over before enquiring as to who they have in store for us next year :).

[GuyFox]

Y...This year Conchetta Wurtz was very impressive! And her appearance was part of the statement her creator was making. Mainly he seemed to be literally saying that we should not judge on face value....

Haha.
I think it was Oscar Wild that said:
"Only shallow people fail to judge on appearances"

The appear was a key part of what was being "sold", and the freak projected something that he (rightly) judged would appeal to the deluded minds of the politically correct judges. In fact, such a clever package was it, it overcame the very mediocre singing.

The "problem" is the contest, and the way it is judged. And also the shambles that has become of European civilisation. It is now a sad joke.

Let's see through this nonsense, and Put a Fork into it !

[Frederick Jackson]

I was burned once recently by failing to judge a book by its cover. I will l not look at the recording because all of this popular music and culture just gets me very very sick. So i can only imagine. And I imagine as Guyfox is right on.

[Soup]

It's easy to promote divisions when people's buttons are so easily pushed. They must be crying laughing into their cognac at how easy it really is to set off the malware in people's OS. A woman with a beard and a song. You choose to react, you run to your opinions, and the game keeps you spinning.

A woman with a beard and a song.... fabulous. Please, anything that shakes the dust and shines the torch on how easy it is for your own software to go into automatic opinion mode.

Rise like a phoenix Conchita...smile....and mind your tail...because whether intended or not, they will all use you as a pawn...they can't help themselves...until they discover their love of opinion is what is sleepwalking them all into division.

fabulous dress darling xx

[giovonni]

she's got a lot of balls ...

Conchita Wurst Eurovision 2014 Drag Winner

"Conchita Wurst, Eurovision 2014's winner, dressed in drag for her victorious performance, reflecting a message of tolerance throughout Europe. Wurst, also known as "The Bearded Lady," stirred up controversy in Russia after winning the singing competition and delivering an inspiring speech of hope and acceptance. The competition is watched throughout Europe and is based on votes from viewers in each country. We look at the context of Wurst's performance, in this Lip News clip with Mark Sovel and Lissette Padilla."

Published on May 13, 2014


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqBUUd27vOs

[GuyFox]

"A woman with a beard and a song" ?

Look closer. This creature has nothing to do with women, only freaks.
This 'act' is an insult to genuine females, and using such a shabby stunt to promote a mediocre talent celebrates nothing, and only exposes the depravity that has taken over Western Culture.

"..her victorious performance, reflecting a message of tolerance throughout Europe..."
No it is NOT! It simply shows the depths that Europe has fallen too - who writes that garbage? Who pays them to promote idiocy - and what is the larger agenda of those who seek to cultivate such unnatural reactions?

I suggest you spend some time contemplating the ideas of Roger Scruton who insists that Beauty has a core place in Culture;
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I whole-heartedly agree with Scruton.

[UpToLight]

In Eurovision, good/great songs never win. It's been 6 years since my country Azerbaijan participates here and we got 7th, 3rd, 5th, 1st, 4th, 2nd and 22nd places. But now nobody remembers those songs, even tthe winner.

[Agape]

I thought it was very 21st century .. I've seen the winning song ( and about other 2 ) so I'm no judge . I just thought it was very powerful manifesto of rising beyond the 'mass opinion' , own possibilities , I was really surprised about Conchita being a lady - I'd think of her as transgender man if no one said otherwise ,
she could have easily shaved the beard if it was all about performance and being liked .
The song itself was very symbolical .. and it's not difficult to imagine how much that means to people who are not the 'presidential models' of cartesian beauty and 'right human prototypes' but someone else whom the society does not accept easily - and does not want to have them in their eyes -
so no matter what they do , they'll be mocked .

People like her do not choose their 'transgender ' identity , they are born with it ..if I'm correct , I did not inquire .

What I saw ...good or bad .. is the future .. of human society that we can not quite foresee yet .. transformation, mutations , options .. there will be many yet .. more than the casual 'set' of prototypes than we have now and it maybe hard . Unless people rise beyond their 'liking the face' prejudice .

It wasn't like anyone else ... it was from heart, it was authentic and I did like it .


:angel:

[mosquito]

In Eurovision, good/great songs never win. It's been 6 years since my country Azerbaijan participates here and we got 7th, 3rd, 5th, 1st, 4th, 2nd and 22nd places. But now nobody remembers those songs, even tthe winner.

That's certainly true NOW, but in the 60s and 70s there were some very good songs, sung by people who (and I assume I'm getting the point of Larry's thread here) could actually bloody sing !!! I think the last decent song, sung by a decent singer/group to win would have been ABBA (1974 ??).

Is it still "compered" by that tiresome prick Terry Wogan ?

Anyway Larry, the "music" industry is full of talentless people who are just "brands" in the consumerist society that's been foisted on us. And although it's worse these days, I don't think it's necessarily a new thing. PERSONALLY, I think the Beatles are/were highly overrated (innovative - yes, mould breaking - yes) as is/was Bob Dylan (talented writer - yes, good singer - an emphatic NO !)

[UpToLight]

In Eurovision, good/great songs never win. It's been 6 years since my country Azerbaijan participates here and we got 7th, 3rd, 5th, 1st, 4th, 2nd and 22nd places. But now nobody remembers those songs, even tthe winner.

That's certainly true NOW, but in the 60s and 70s there were some very good songs, sung by people who (and I assume I'm getting the point of Larry's thread here) could actually bloody sing !!! I think the last decent song, sung by a decent singer/group to win would have been ABBA (1974 ??).

Is it still "compered" by that tiresome prick Terry Wogan ?

Anyway Larry, the "music" industry is full of talentless people who are just "brands" in the consumerist society that's been foisted on us. And although it's worse these days, I don't think it's necessarily a new thing. PERSONALLY, I think the Beatles are/were highly overrated (innovative - yes, mould breaking - yes) as is/was Bob Dylan (talented writer - yes, good singer - an emphatic NO !)

Yes, it introduced ABBA and Celine Dion to world music but that is it. In 60 years with hundreds participants only 2 have made their mark in music history. Why? Because of politics. I mean, the main aim (on paper) of contest is to discover talents.

Oh, while I agree with you on Bob Dylan, I think Beatles deserve(d) all the praise they get/got ;)

[Cardillac]

@TigaHawk

I hope you didn't take my posting to your response as an attack against your character, it was just simply a wake-up call; I don't 'attack' people because it's beneath my dignity;

Tiga, you asked for a link; just start with David Icke's research about how the feminist/gay-lesbian rights movements were/are a creation of a faction subsequently manipulating them for very nefarious purposes-

please continue to be well!

Larry

[Milneman]

@Flash

I'm an opera singer by profession so I think I know voices; this singer has a high male voice-

"What i do not like is the use of one sexuality to win instead of use of talents"- you and me both- but reality is different

I prefer Jonas Kaufman.

Two reasons.

By far, the BEST ****ing Parsifal I've heard! (Cardillac, you seen the latest met production? I freaking WEPT!!!)

Second, he's WAY hotter than the tranny.

PS I'm gay. If you sing opera, we should talk. Seriously. Flash says I need a boyfriend. You may qualify if you can sing Wagner with any vigour. :D

[Heartsong]

Hi, I'm a voice student. Through association with other voice students I've heard marvelous music made top grade, professional caliber. These students spend years devoted to there craft, studying music theory and history. Very few ever reach a public stage, never a paying audience. These shows that audition thousands of voices just to capture the oddity, the weirdo, the surprise "new sound" are doing no one any favors. Behind the stage of the winner is a slave trader who will sell the voice and leave the singer without a soul.
I've often thought that if I were a judge I would have them run scales and sight read to cut the wheat from the chaff.

[noxon medem]

This years winner of the Eurovision Songcontest
- is not a woman with a beard.
It is a man in a dress, with a set of false tits.

I agree that it was not the best song and singer ,
- or even performance, that won mgp this year .

The Eurovision Song Contest has changet a lot in character
since it was started in the early 60s
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melodi_Grand_Prix )

In the later years, long after ABBA in 1974, it has
turned more and more into a circus, or freakshow,
where "shocking and getting attention" became
more important than the quality of the music in
this peaceful competition ...

I live in the area, and have followed this "venue"
for many years, on and off, voluntarily or not.

Let me share some Grand Prix moments :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAh9NRGNhUULordi - Hard Rock Hallelujah (Finland) 2006 Eurovision Song Contest Winner

And so, on another side of the spectre :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chWaLZ1PA4U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chWaLZ1PA4U

Sandra Caldarone (born 15 October 1972), better known as Sandra Kim,
is a Belgian singer of Italian descent who won the Eurovision Song Contest
in the year 1986, final held in Bergen, Norway, on 3 May 1986.

And then the typical,careless, pop-tune :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI78Bqp6z6gTeach In - Ding-A-Dong 1975 (Eurovision Song Contest)

And the classic :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FsVeMz1F5cABBA Waterloo Eurovision 1974

And of course ,
There is a lot more.
Search for it. A lot of intersting stuff, and fun .

Be well, and be you.
In freedom and joy.

nm

[GuyFox]

@Flash

I'm an opera singer by profession so I think I know voices; this singer has a high male voice-

"What i do not like is the use of one sexuality to win instead of use of talents"- you and me both- but reality is different

I prefer Jonas Kaufman.

Two reasons.

By far, the BEST ****ing Parsifal I've heard! (Cardillac, you seen the latest met production? I freaking WEPT!!!)

Second, he's WAY hotter than the tranny.

PS I'm gay. If you sing opera, we should talk. Seriously. Flash says I need a boyfriend. You may qualify if you can sing Wagner with any vigour. :D

Haha.
Has PA turned into a Matching / Dating website?

(whatever turns you on, I suppose. I think my comment on another thread may have helped to trigger this one.)
Anyway, I am encouraged to learn that others share my ideas about the need for better quality singing at the Eurovision competition

[crosby]

oh my.... the power of voice, sound...... it can be so beautiful, and then yet, such an abberation. voice is subjective - but the intent of voice can be the most important aspect of our lives. love resounds in the sound of voice, and so does death. if you do not feel love from a particular sound of voice, then by all means, please do not listen.
crosby.

[Ellisa]

Thanks for the Lordi video!!! It's still awful!

But you made up for it with ABBA and the French girl who was beautiful.

I hope some of the Americans who know nothing of Eurovision find out about it. The audience is huge, and if we can watch it in the land of Oz, a long way away from anywhere else, at least it should be easier in the US. However it is different from most american contests-- far fewer tears to start with.

[GuyFox]

Conchita - again.

Larry (and others), have you got a comment on this article?:
Mummy, why is Daddy wearing a dress? Daddy, why does Mummy have a moustache? (http://www.sott.net/article/279645-Mummy-why-is-Daddy-wearing-a-dress-Daddy-why-does-Mummy-have-a-moustache#)
EXCERPT
"It is fair to say that, within a couple of decades, homosexuality became an accepted and integral part of society. With legal and social equality attained in this way, one might have assumed that the gay rights movement, having no more raison d'être, would naturally fade into the background. But that's not what happened.

It seems that, for those infiltrators that took over the movement, equality was never their real goal but rather a pretext to bridle a majority of gay people to a very different cause. Like other dominating minorities (vegetarians, Jews, anti-smokers, Masons, gypsies, etc.) the very identity of such groups is defined by their difference relative to common people. The real objective is to exacerbate those differences, have them perceived as a mark of superiority and use them to manipulate the rest of the population. That is to say, the 'rasion d'être' of the leaders of the gay rights movement is to forever be the 'other' and the idea of 'fading away' therefore is anathema to them."

The one who posted the article (elsewhere) wrote:
"My goodness me.
So that's what all that gay rights business is all about - to give paedophiles the right to acquire children and abuse them"

My reaction was:
"I do worry about that possibility, even though gays will tell me: there's no connectiion.
To be honest, I would agree with them about 80-90% of the gays.
But if the Percentage of gays who are pedos is higher than the Percentage of straights who are so inclined,
it is (at least) a statistical problem - and that is a problem, as far as I am concerned "

If you want to disagree with this, I am happy to hear it and debate it.
I am always read to learn from those with different points of view or experience.
It is not my intent to offend you in any way. And I have found you speaking sense so far.

[Milneman]

Guy,

Victimhood-capital created industry. It's everywhere.

I stopped being an activist when corporate started taking over and the grass roots just got shut out. They were good times tho! I helped get the first parade in Saskatchewan going, that was a rush. Worked on legal stuff, hosted, got flags raised where they weren't, debated with ultra-religious....then it just faded into part of who I was and not who I was, if that makes sense.

The novelty of the act I think is what won it. You don't need as much talent to be novel as you to do use a real God-given gift. Just ask Kaufman. And honestly, it's a challenge to sit through all 4+ hours of the met's production of Parsifal, but well worth the emotional ride.

wdbs3lKEeBE

[OnyxKnight]

Eurovision, really? We're gonna discuss this instead of say .... the floods in Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia? The ethnic unrest we had here in Macedonia? The Earthquakes?

You got upset by a damn drag performance, with a half-baked (but passable) voice to sing a damn song. Period. What century do you live in? Opera-rate high class vocals are long gone, an extinct species. And no person with great vocals alone can call themselves a singer. Where's the music? The act? Styling? Choreography?

Eurovision could be the paragon of depravity for many things. You chose to talk about it this year (of all), and you focused on Konchita's performance. It doesn't take a lot to see where your frustration originates. Its because of people like you the LGBTI people of the world cannot call themselves a 'community' unless being ironical. Its things like this that just keep proving that on and on.

I'm not even surprised by some of the responses by other non-gay folks either. We work hard to convince ourselves in the illusion that we are on some other, higher place because of the way we see the world, a higher moral ground, higher spiritual ground ... Higher Ego, is what it is. The spiritually enlighten people that preach tolerance and unity gathered up to talk dirt on a drag performance in the 21st century. With what right? With what dignity? How can you go back to preaching the same **** again after this, as if its normal?

You need to go and take a hard look on yourselves. Maybe you will find a few a micrograms of ignorance and hypocrisy oozing out of the pores on your face, among all the sweat.

This is a disgrace. Not the Eurovision act, but this here, the thread and subsequent comments. A disgrace.

You might as well go back to gossiping about the Kardashians now. No need to maintain illusions anymore, we're no alternative community. We're not spiritual. We're not smarter. We're not better. We're just as ****ed up as the rest of the world, obviously.

[Milneman]

eurovision, really? We're gonna discuss this instead of say .... The floods in serbia, croatia and bosnia? The ethnic unrest we had here in macedonia? The earthquakes?

You got upset by a damn drag performance, with a half-baked (but passable) voice to sing a damn song. Period. What century do you live in? Opera-rate high class vocals are long gone, an extinct species. And no person with great vocals alone can call themselves a singer. Where's the music? The act? Styling? Choreography?

Eurovision could be the paragon of depravity for many things. You chose to talk about it this year (of all), and you focused on konchita's performance. It doesn't take a lot to see where your frustration originates. Its because of people like you the lgbti people of the world cannot call themselves a 'community' unless being ironical. Its things like this that just keep proving that on and on.

I'm not even surprised by some of the responses by other non-gay folks either. We work hard to convince ourselves in the illusion that we are on some other, higher place because of the way we see the world, a higher moral ground, higher spiritual ground ... Higher ego, is what it is. The spiritually enlighten people that preach tolerance and unity gathered up to talk dirt on a drag performance in the 21st century. With what right? With what dignity? How can you go back to preaching the same **** again after this, as if its normal?

You need to go and take a hard look on yourselves. Maybe you will find a few a micrograms of ignorance and hypocrisy oozing out of the pores on your face, among all the sweat.

This is a disgrace. Not the eurovision act, but this here, the thread and subsequent comments. A disgrace.

You might as well go back to gossiping about the kardashians now. No need to maintain illusions anymore, we're no alternative community. We're not spiritual. We're not smarter. We're not better. We're just as ****ed up as the rest of the world, obviously.

meoaw!

;)

[grapevine]

Eurovision: Israel BOOED And Drowned Out By Free Palestine Chants
It's Eurovision this weekend, the annual competition where Europe competes for the "best song", which is still oddly competitive given it's known extreme political voting.

In our house we've always viewed Eurovision fondly, and when the children were young, it used to be an evening where we'd invite a few friends over for drinks, and enjoy judging (and mocking) all the songs. The songs we liked best were hardly ever ranked in the top 10, but it was all good fun nevertheless, until we understood how the voting worked.

For instance, in 2022 Russia's entry was banned owing to their "special military operation", while Ukraine's entry won by a landslide, with the UK - famous for its record of "nil pois" but having fully supported Ukraine - came 2nd and hosted Eurovision on Ukraine's behalf in 2023. Although no country is allowed to vote for itself, the Scandinavian countries always vote for each other, and many others vote for neighbouring countries.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiB2IJn3-G8&ab_channel=NovaraMedia (8:00)
But what's sauce for the goose isn't sauce for the gander as Israel - which isn't even in Europe, has still been allowed to submit a song for Eurovision this year. In the above video Aaron Bastini of Novara Media reports on the Israeli entry being booed off stage during rehearsals. It remains to be seen whether the singer and the song will be allowed to compete without interruption on Saturday. But for the first time in many years I will not be watching.

Here's a quick run-through of all the songs in this year's competition, many of which sound oddly similar imo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_t3qclcXUM&ab_channel=EurovisionSongContest (18:32)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Here's a quick run-through of all the songs in this year's competition, many of which sound oddly similar imo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_t3qclcXUM&ab_channel=EurovisionSongContest (18:32)

Long gone are the days since I sat down to Eurovision. Won't be tuning in this year either.

These are mostly awful. Sorry Netherlands (12.25), that's a monstrosity. And Ireland, (8.30) find Jesus, please (or the Virgin Mother, whatever suits you), same for you Italy! (9.26), and what the hell is Australia doing in there???

The only songs with merit here (for me) are Belgium (2.25), for the hair-metal eighties vibe, and Denmark (4.28). The rest...don't give up your day jobs. :coffee:

[Jaak]

Havent payd any attention to this political clownshow for years . But this years song from Estonia happened to be trending in Twitter so i gave it a listen. It has some humor in it. Song title translates ¨We dont know much about them drugs¨ while most of them are known potheads . I guess it fits into this topic. Although i do take the side that recreational drugs shouls be legal. Weed,shrooms,DMT... All of them are tools to be used at certain times when necessary.Every tool can be used and abused,banning them aint the right way to go...
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[Isserley]

When you think this contest can not get any worse.. this happens: Ireland's witch wants to win the Eurovision song contest with song featuring a "satanic ritual" performance.
..and of course, she has all the right labels - a woke/queer, pro-palestinian satanist..
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/2024/05/08/eurovision-bambie-thug-was-asked-to-remove-pro-palestinian-ogham-writing-for-performance/

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[Bluegreen]

As it happened, the posted videos were unavailable to Yanks. These should work ...

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Bambie Thug - Doomsday Blue
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[Jaak]

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[Open Minded Dude]

I've watched it due to its entertainment value (even trash can be good) and since I know it from my childhood when I also loved it, of course it was different then. Yeah, I might get some hate round here for (still) being a kind of 'fan' but anyway, for what it's worth, here we go with some thoughts of mine on it ...

Regarding Israel: I do think I heard some boos and they were not entirely edited out, especially during the jury voting results announcements it was impossible to 'unhear' the boos when Israel was awarded points - and there were many! Besides, apart from what happened indoors there were also lots of protests and rallies outside the event building.
The jury voting (announced befor the televote which is later added to the jury results) was actually fair and they did not give Israel a lot of points (they were not even in the top ten by then). Public televote results and jury results count 50/50.
The picture is then different if we look at the added public televote where many Western countries awarded Israel even the highest score (shamefully my country gave it the full 12 points and it was not the only one!). I assume many of the 'normies' voted this way for political correctness, perhaps not even interested in the music, since the 'antisemitism campaign' in the Western MMS is still in full gear, and it is most intense in Germany of course. Moreover, it might also be the case that a bulk of votes came from quasi-patriotic Jewish diasporas in Europe. I don't want to blame them because it is 'normal' behaviour.
For example, German televote does also give a lot of points to Turkey each year (not participating in 2024) because of the many turkish origin people living here. Again, just 'normal' patriotism, although it is sometimes argued that it might also be the kind of music and culture that is shared with their origin country. Fair point.

It's still sad but political voting (as with Ukraine and now Israel all the time now) is an undisputed fact for this event, not even fully denied by the organisers and the normies. It always has been this way, e.g. the fact of neighbouring countries - such as the Nordics - favouring each other and giving each other points no matter if by jury or tele voting. It was this way already when I watched it as a kid in the 80s when there were only juries and not televote.

As for some other entries, my favourite Croatia (which is an 'almost' metal song with some Rammstein vibes) came 2nd which made me happy for them. They had deserved a win actually.

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My second favourite was the traditional folklore Armenia song Jako by Ladaniva. It also loved it because it is so happy and cheerful. I also love any folk music a lot just as much as I love rock and metal.
It came 8th which is a great result for them, higher than had been predicted by the odds/bookies. IMV this is actually what the ESC should be or have been about, showing more of the traditional side, which is done by some (more of the Mediterranean and Eastern) countries but not by the "Western" countries.

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Another scandal was the disqualification of the Netherlands artist Joost who supposedly misbehaved towards a Swedish camera woman. Maybe it was a setup because he was also very critical of Israel participating? Who knows. Just speculation. I say no more. :silent:

Regarding Bambie Thug. Well, yeah, difficult ... again, I might get hate but I think from an artistic viewpoint it was actually even well done. Musically also interesting for me.
And the question here is always: is it 'just theatre' or really 'demonic' or 'satanic' or whatever? I listen to hard and heavy and metal music a lot and there you are always confronted with this more or less 'religious' viewpoint. Still, I think in most cases it is not 'satanic' but just an artform to express sth in 'dark' terms. We live in a duality and displaying the dark side in art has always been done, it is even a form of 'alchemy' to turn the dark side into a form of art. But ok, every one has their take on it and so be it. I respect the religious views on it although I don't share them.

The winning song 'The Code' by Nemo is certainly also controversial for some here. It is because it is (just like Bambie Thug) again done by a 'non-binary' (queer) guy, even singing about how he discovered his 'identity' in this song.

Well, every one knows the ESC always was kind of 'gay' even before the LGBTQxxx agenda existed (or even the name). Therefore it does not disturb me too much, at least not here, elsewhere the propaganda certainly does. It's just the ESC, ya know. :bigsmile:

Moreover, imv this song and artist deserved to win because the song is actually prett good, he is also a great singer and 'his' performance in the final was one of the best. So I give credit where credit is due, congrats Mr/Ms/Whatever Nemo. ;)

Here is an uplugged version that serves better to show how good he is imv:

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Here is the more 'frantic' but also great grand final version:

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[Isserley]

In this case I am not so open minded as person above me :blushing:
This show should be boycotted as we all know it is filled with politics and woke propaganda. Only genre acceptable is LGBTQWTF.
Satanisam as artform? Not at all entertaining to watch.
As in all big competitions like the Superbowl and the like, Satanism here has no purpose of entertainment - imo purpose could be to publicly inform us about who is running the show. It is far from art considering that the whole show offends all possible senses..
It is a shame that we've went from ABBA to men (creatures) in skirts.

[Open Minded Dude]

Another year, another update. :waving:

This year's hottest controversial topic is actually the Israel rigging scandal more than any other political propaganda scandal about this event (LGBTQ propaganda nonsense is still going strong but bearable imv).

So, in fact, Israel tried to rig Eurovision getting the victory with astroturfing the public vote. (Not that getting the most public votes isn't already easy for them due to the international diasporas in many countries voting for them anyways all the time, no matter if the song is good or not). It almost worked this time to win. Only almost. Thank goodness.

It is said that in Europe millions put out a sigh of relief when in the end the young Austrian countertenor won after all. It would have been catastrophic and a lot of protests and boycotts if Israel as winner could host next year's Eurovision. So I guess even the organisers of this charade were relieved. As well as many of the youtube bloggers who were not so friendly in view of the genocidal war going on.

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Good analysis (first part is about the Israel issue):

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A general analysis:

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Example of one of the Eurovision bloggers crying tears of relief together with all of her friends after the winner's final announcement (they were not necessarily Austria fans):

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Needless to say I also was happy about him then winning and preventing this catastrophic result.

It is of course a matter of (acquired) taste but I actually kind of like the song and performance although 'Popera' is not my preferred musical genre and it was not the best song of the evening imv, but his skills and the emotionality of the singing is quite impressive:

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[Open Minded Dude]

Eurovison is (historically and today) connected to NATO? Wow. Didn't know that.

(Found it at Thomas Roeper's website as one of his articles (https://anti-spiegel.ru/2025/die-wahre-rolle-des-eurovision-songcontest/) where he translated this one into German from English, but here is the original.)

https://www.kitklarenberg.com/p/eurovision-nato-psychological-warfare

From there as quote (although the original has also pics and vids to watch):

Eurovision: NATO Psychological Warfare Tool
Kit Klarenberg
Jun 01, 2025

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The 2025 Eurovision Song Contest ended May 17th mired in controversy. The Zionist entity’s entrant, Yuval Raphael, finished second. Her performance, “New Day Will Rise”, received 297 points via public televote - the highest garnered by any act in the competition’s Grand Final, with 13 countries giving Raphael the maximum score of 12 points. This helped Israel almost clinch victory, despite coming last among participants in national jury votes. Immediately, state broadcasters across Europe demanded an investigation into flagrant, industrial scale rigging in Tel Aviv’s favour.

The Zionist entity’s participation in the Contest was the subject of much controversy in its leadup. On May 5th, 72 former Eurovision contestants - including previous winners - cosigned a letter to the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) demanding Israel and its national broadcaster be banned from the contest, over the country’s “genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza and the decades-long regime of apartheid and military occupation against the entire Palestinian people.” Their call was echoed by Spanish premier Pedro Sanchez.

Then, on May 19th, an EBU probe revealed the Israeli Government Advertising Agency conducted a vast, cross-platform online campaign to encourage support for Raphael’s entry. Detailed instructions on how to vote for her via text and phone in countries as far afield as Australia were widely circulated, along with a reminder that individuals could vote up to 20 times each. A dedicated YouTube channel - @Vote4NewDayWillRise - was launched to support the effort, garnering over 8.3 million views. Its videos were widely amplified across social media.

Separate investigations suggest Zionists could’ve further connived to fudge the Contest’s results via “VPNs, automated scripts (bot farms), and bulk SIM card purchases.” It is not the first time Tel Aviv has engaged in brazen fraud to skew Eurovision’s results in its favour. When Israel triumphed in the 2018 Contest, speculation widely abounded their victory resulted from meddling by now-defunct online Zionist astroturf effort Act.IL. On top of unambiguous voting irregularities, winning meant the 2019 Contest would be convened in the entity.

A June 2018 Knesset hearing spelled out this windfall’s strategic significance. Multiple Zionist entity lawmakers and ministers spoke of how “holding the Eurovision song contest in Israel is a gift” that could be exploited to boost and improve Israel’s international image, and counteract the burgeoning Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement’s successes. BDS had recently compelled Argentina to cancel a World Cup ‘friendly’ match with Tel Aviv, after the entity attempted to host the bout in illegally occupied Jerusalem.

‘Opinion Leaders’

Similar Zionist entity-orchestrated social media and televote chicanery boosted Israel to fifth place in the 2024 Contest, which was likewise prefaced by widespread calls to bar Tel Aviv’s participation, and for other participating countries to boycott the event. While falling far short of victory, the public relations utility of Israel’s performance was abundantly clear. Entity officials, Western news outlets and pundits eagerly leaped upon the results as proof that despite the ongoing 21st century Holocaust in Gaza, a “silent majority” of Europeans still supported Israel.

At the time, journeyman Israeli government “public diplomacy” apparatchik David Saranga gushed to Ynet, “we knew that the situation was less serious than it is reflected in the demonstrations on the streets of Europe, but we did not expect such overwhelming support.” He added, “the fact that even countries where public opinion is critical of Israel, such as Sweden or Ireland, gave Israel a high score” indicated there were “underground currents” of pro-Zionist sentiment throughout the West.

However, Saranga also admitted the entity’s Foreign Ministry “acted among friendly audiences to increase voting.” Ynet subsequently exposed this effort, which included Tel Aviv’s entrant that year, Eden Golan, recording personal video addresses to foreign audiences in their own languages, repulsively declaring a “wave of hatred” was being whipped up against Israel by “Muslims”. Extensive analysis was conducted to ensure her messages reached “Eurovision-loving audiences such as the LGBT community in Europe, members of fan clubs, journalists covering the contest and opinion leaders in the field.”

Following Yuval Raphael coming second this year, a familiar chorus erupted, with numerous prominent figures claiming her televoting preeminence was indicative of concealed Zionist sympathies the world over, and that ever-growing Palestine solidarity actions globally are not representative of wider public opinion. This is despite her performances being received with such intense booing, some European broadcasters resorted to dubbing in pre-recorded cheers and applause to drown out the mass jeering. Meanwhile, polls amply indicate the overwhelming majority of Europeans hold “unfavourable” views of Tel Aviv.

That the Zionist entity has so consistently invested enormous time, energy, and money into attempting to ‘game’ Eurovision over so many years is a testament to the Contest’s redoubtable international propaganda potency. Up to 200 million people worldwide routinely tune in to the tournament annually, and Tel Aviv is not alone in seeking to weaponise the Contest for political reasons. In fact, Eurovision was secretly created as a psychological warfare tool by NATO to manipulate and control public opinion for this explicit purpose.

‘Psychological Action’

In January 2015, an extraordinary, hitherto secret document drawn up by NATO’s Committee on Information and Cultural Relations in March 1955 was published for the first time. It outlined the practical and ideological foundations of Eurovision, which was first convened next year, with just seven participants. A section on “aims” of the Contest states NATO’s objective was to “make the most” of TV, which “gives mankind at long last, the possibility, through the visual image, of conquering time and distance,” reaching vast global audiences simultaneously:

“Television has enabled sight to triumph over time and space, and this is the aspect which struck us most forcibly and led us to believe that it was our duty to break through the narrow boundaries which confined our programmes to spectators clustered around our respective capital cities, and to travel the world. There is no point in having a wonderful instrument in our hands if all we are going to do…is show the suburbs of Paris, London or Milan in France, England or Italy.”

The document went on to state “the thrill” of TV “lies in ranging as far afield as possible…[using] this marvellous instrument’s capacity for the instantaneous transmission of an event taking place elsewhere.” NATO contended “television transcends the frontiers of our European countries,” and thus the military alliance “held within [its] grasp a unique instrument for social and psychological action [emphasis added].” In sum, a European media “nervous system” could be constructed, “far more powerful than the telephone” or radio, to “animate the…general public.”
The ‘Eurovision’ network envisaged by NATO in 1955

The document concludes with its author, Jean d’Arcy, then-senior director of French state broadcaster Radiodiffusion Française, expressing his sincere hope that the “social significance of Eurovision will become ever more apparent as it progresses along the lines which…it is destined to follow.” The file was a summary of remarks he made at a dedicated NATO conference “of senior information officials” in Paris two months earlier. His talk was described in a subsequent alliance newsletter as “most interesting”.

At that conference, Hastings Ismay, NATO’s first secretary general - who notoriously declared the alliance’s purpose in Europe was “to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down” - “reiterated his steadfast conviction of the importance of a profounder and more widespread understanding of NATO’s aims and achievements.” Eurovision provided an ideal opportunity to insidiously achieve those goals in a non-military context, propounding European unity and cultural superiority over the Soviet Union while the Cold War was in its infancy.

The collapse of Communism in Central and Eastern Europe, and Soviet Union’s subsequent dissolution, vastly increased Eurovision’s pool of contestants. It was not until 1994 Russia first appeared at the Contest. On February 25th 2022, one day after the Ukraine proxy war erupted, Moscow was banned from participating, which has remained in place ever since. In that year’s competition, Kiev prevailed, with The Kalush Orchestra’s song “Stefania” - interpreted in some quarters as an ode to MI6-supported Ukrainian ultranationalist mass-murderer Stepan Bandera - securing first place.

NATO deputy secretary general Mircea Geoana praised Ukraine’s victory and its “beautiful song”, linking Kiev’s triumph “to its bravery in fighting Russia,” and “immense public support all over Europe and Australia” for the proxy war. A Reuters report on Geoana’s comments commenced by declaring, “Eurovision and NATO might not usually be associated” - the international newswire’s writers apparently unaware that the military alliance was from inception, and remains, absolutely fundamental to the international tournament’s operation.

[Open Minded Dude]

Israel was allowed to participate again next year. Others boycott the event.

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