Is science etc part of the veil?

[gnostic9]

is science etc, medical, history, just about all of the so called academic disciplines a way of making us all forget what we have always known? Most of the population of this beautiful Mother gaia seem to wait with bathed breath for the so called "break-through" in technology/science. I have been feeling lately that the whole thing is a charade. I was just wondering what my fellow Avalonians think?

Love peace and joy to you all!

If this has been posted before, forgive me.

[AutumnW]

Pre-renaissance Europe wasn't a very scientific place. From peasant to king, the people didn't seem to have a better fix on who they were, where they may have come from. They drank a lot, beat their women. Incest was probably common. It was awful. A little science may have helped them.

Bleeding edge hard science is leading towards consciousness studies, that will end up flattening the scientific materialism it grew out of. I think trans-humanism may be something to be feared and THAT movement could run counter to and actually pervert the gains in knowledge we see coming down the pike, with regards consciousness.

Your question is really a good one and the answers are bound to be mixed

[Hervé]

Now, for another way of looking at real science:


Just considering the variety of interpretations given to the fauna, flora and objects encountered in those other states/dimensions/densities...

... you know... ETs, Archons, Djinns, Demons, Tulpas, thought forms, eggregores, Golems, holographic recordings of times past/present/future, hypnotic hallucinations/delusions...

... and the "natural"/programmed inclination is to resort to the "knowledgeable ones"... you know... high priests, gurus, geeks, shamans, sorcerers, medicine wo/men, experts (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69970-The-Expert-how-an-engineer-fits-in-the-corporate-world&p=816217&viewfull=1#post816217)... all under the influence of "human emotions," as depicted by Greek and other mythologies, or, of more or less mischievous "spirits" having their fun with the "incarnated ones"...

... and one may be able to see why "science" was bound to develop as a means of investigation independent from that "spirit" box where everything is possible on a whim... so that some may be able to "think" outside that box.

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[DeDukshyn]

Right off the bat, I'm thinking science is definitely part of the veil because so far science has only focused on the "Illusion" or the "result" and not the finer patterns that eventually come to influence those results. Learning about Chaos theory changed my life. It made me realize there is no randomness at any scale -- everything is pattern, and thus the result is made from finer things than we observe. When you drill down 1 million iterations into a visual fractal and still see no randomness, only variations of the result at any "roughness" , you start to understand that all is vibration (pattern), and our physical realm is the result of the patterns that happen on a finer scale, a higher level of "roughness" as Mandelbrot would put it.

And if to conclude that thought is higher vibration (quicker) than word (action) and instinct is higher (quicker) than thought, we can see that the correct method of manifestation is via instinct translated to thought translated to word (action). The spirit manages instinct; thought and action are managed by ego. They all need to work together for the ultimate result. Right now in humans, instinct is trained out of us as children and we are taught only to use thought (which is primarily bound by sensory input and current life experiences) and / or action. Without the guiding force of spirit, things get confusing and overly focused on worldly things, and the desire for such things replaces the spirit's guiding instinct. It becomes a feedback loop; The blind leading the blind.

Whoa! Way off on some tangent there, anyway, on the topic I would say yes, science currently is part of the veil, because it studies the veil, but on the threshold of enveloping something more than just veil.

My 2 cents.

[ghostrider]

science is a control mechanism to explain away anomalies ... they print books , speak in academic circles , write papers and everyone believes them and never challenges what they say ... James Horak has been online speaking about all areas of science and not ONE scientist has come on and challenged his information , not ONE ...

[Roisin]

They found that by obsessively focusing on the "scientific method" it would effectively block their ability to experience on any sensory level, anything that exists in those other realms outside of our own. Their belief in science, which became their religion, became so entrenched that even when confronted face to face with the extraordinary, they never fail to explain away those events or phenomena within the scientific paradigm they are operating in. But if the phenomenon cannot be explained within their working paradigm, then it does not exist.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

When I was a teen, I picked up a book in my school library where a Christian who was also a scientist attempted to answer this.

He came to the conclusion that there is an unbreakable relationship between science and faith, or religion as he put it,
and the best visual aid for the concept is a pair of eyes.

One eye being science, the other eye being faith.
The eye for detail and the eye for truth.

[Pam]

is science etc, medical, history, just about all of the so called academic disciplines a way of making us all forget what we have always known? Most of the population of this beautiful Mother gaia seem to wait with bathed breath for the so called "break-through" in technology/science. I have been feeling lately that the whole thing is a charade. I was just wondering what my fellow Avalonians think?

Love peace and joy to you all!

If this has been posted before, forgive me.


I think it is currently a charade. The field of science began as pure observation of natural law. Then, overtime it became corrupted as millions of egos observed with the goal of personal gain and altruism went out the window. Everything that involves humans becomes corrupted overtime at varying rates and intensities. Science is the current religion, we give unchallenged reverence to educated men and women of science, accepting for the most part that their intentions are honorable. That simply is not true anymore. Most scientific investigation is now sponsored by corporations with a vested interest in specific outcomes.

[yelik]

Hi Peterpan
I agree. Let's remind ourselves of what Eisenhower said in his farewll speech in 1962

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defence with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity”

[DeDukshyn]

I had a friend who worked in medical research at a local university here. He says, research can only be done if it is funded, as research costs good money. He says the directions of research is fully controlled by where the money is allowed to go. Who sponsors what research dictates the research itself and often the funds for research comes from corporations or "unknown" sources, but it has to be given and / or approved - directing research wherever they want for their gains, not necessarily where it needs to go. He had become extremely frustrated with a system that wouldn't support any proper unbiased research into new solutions.

Then there's the Monsanto guy on the board of the largest scientific publishing house (name escapes me - someone has a thread here on this topic), and suddenly no more articles allowed on studies about the dangers of GMO in any of their publications, even though the research and articles met all the criteria set forth by the publishing company.

Add in what Stephen Harper of Canada has done - pull the plugs on almost all scientific research and statistical funding. Propaganda BS is easier to sell if you don't have real professionals to tell the masses the truths. I hope this isn't happening in other countries.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Let's not forget George Washington Carver.

His funding was the love of his adoptive white mother.

The man who discovered the peanut and hundreds, if not thousands of uses for it.
Among many other amazing things without which modern society would have less food and fewer conveniences.

He used his time to explore the natural world, and after enough exposure to it, he saw beyond the veil.

no initial college no magic no money but still success.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/George_Washington_Carver.jpg/220px-George_Washington_Carver.jpg

The Black Tesla/Leonardo


George Washington Carver (by January 1864[1][3] – January 5, 1943), was an American scientist, botanist, educator, and inventor. The exact day and year of his birth are unknown; he is believed to have been born into slavery in Missouri in January 1864.[1]

Carver's reputation is based on his research into and promotion of alternative crops to cotton, such as peanuts, soybeans and sweet potatoes, which also aided nutrition for farm families. He wanted poor farmers to grow alternative crops both as a source of their own food and as a source of other products to improve their quality of life. The most popular of his 44 practical bulletins for farmers contained 105 food recipes using peanuts.[4] He also developed and promoted about 100 products made from peanuts that were useful for the house and farm, including cosmetics, dyes, paints, plastics, gasoline, and nitroglycerin. He received numerous honors for his work, including the Spingarn Medal of the NAACP.

During the Reconstruction-era South, monoculture of cotton depleted the soil in many areas. In the early 20th century, the boll weevil destroyed much of the cotton crop, and planters and farm workers suffered. Carver's work on peanuts was intended to provide an alternative crop.

He was recognized for his many achievements and talents. In 1941, Time magazine dubbed Carver a "Black Leonardo".[5]

the man without a birthday, and in his time, without a face -- look how far he went, and how much he achieved.

how pathetic we modern humans seem compared to this mind of GWC.