View Full Version : The Neuroscientist Who Wants To Upload Humanity To A Computer
bogeyman
17th May 2014, 15:31
"He planned to upload his brain to a computer. By mapping the brain, reducing its activity to computations, and reproducing those computations in code, Koene argued, humans could live indefinitely, emulated by silicon. "When I say emulation, you should think of it, for example, in the same sense as emulating a Macintosh on a PC," he said. "It's kind of like platform-independent code."
http://www.popsci.com/article/science/neuroscientist-who-wants-upload-humanity-computer?dom=PSC&loc=recent&lnk=7&con=the-neuroscientist-who-wants-to-upload-humanity-to-a-computer
How far will people imaginations, desires and views take us?
MargueriteBee
17th May 2014, 15:43
It wouldn't be human, just a program.
Surely this will mean its awareness will be limited to the 'story' of the subject. With no actual awareness... just thoughts and memories forever pretending to be aware. Yes, the story can grow, but what's the point? How empty and tragic.
Flash
17th May 2014, 16:27
Surely this will mean its awareness will be limited to the 'story' of the subject. With no actual awareness... just thoughts and memories forever pretending to be aware. Yes, the story can grow, but what's the point? How empty and tragic.
Isn't that what most of us are most of the time? Biological/mechanical pack of memories and programmed behavior acting and thinking and living pretty unconsciously. The difference being the potential choice of living from the heart and higher consciousness, choice done by only a few.
Surely this will mean its awareness will be limited to the 'story' of the subject. With no actual awareness... just thoughts and memories forever pretending to be aware. Yes, the story can grow, but what's the point? How empty and tragic.
Isn't that what most of us are most of the time? Biological/mechanical pack of memories and programmed behavior acting and thinking and living pretty unconsciously. The difference being the potential choice of living from the heart and higher consciousness, choice done by only a few.
Yes, I'm aware of the meat suit's operating instructions and the limited options it carries. Did you have a point to make?
MargueriteBee
17th May 2014, 17:07
Genetic memories, what about them.
truth4me
18th May 2014, 12:18
Surely this will mean its awareness will be limited to the 'story' of the subject. With no actual awareness... just thoughts and memories forever pretending to be aware. Yes, the story can grow, but what's the point? How empty and tragic.
Isn't that what most of us are most of the time? Biological/mechanical pack of memories and programmed behavior acting and thinking and living pretty unconsciously. The difference being the potential choice of living from the heart and higher consciousness, choice done by only a few.
Good reply.....living from the heart and higher consciousness.Your reply really is awesome and full of wisdom!
Limor Wolf
18th May 2014, 14:01
Hello Bogeyman and thanks for the article. These are very dangerous 'advancments' and we should shout from the roof against the coercion of this AI and transhumanism agenda pushed on us on every street corner these days, and even being forcefully implemented as we speak. This is a distorted approach that contradicts any organic real life human evolving and should not be present as 'visionaries wet dream' for our future as human kind.
It is clear that there are behind the scene foreign interests that market this to the public and it is not one iota human in nature, it is advocating 'advancment' for only a few and via a twisted point of view and perspective and it's only ambition is to seal the deal of ultimate control on human consciousness and soul via computerised mechanism. And who holds the computure?
Machine can not conquer human soul and can not stop natural evolvment despite the vigorous attempts, but that is only if the soul itself is not willing to comply, this is a most imortant statement. Humanity's inner non compliance is extremely important for it's future.
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Uploading someone's brain to a computure besides the technological 'amazement' of being able to do this (and there is no end to other hidden technologies that once exists 'out there' but now are being brought 'down here') is a complete Ego based and spiritually non existent understanding of what real immortality is, it is reflected by the infinty of the soul and not by the mind. The mind is nothing but a construct that assists us experiencing the physical realm, It's purpose is limited only to the physical body no matter on which dimension it is on.
Public is now being heavily marketed with the new 'tecnological discoveries' that are appearing like mashrooms after the rain and which supposedly can 'assist humanity', now that is rubbish. It is nothing but a method of control and any buying into this is a fatal error, done by those who lost the soul component and want to take everyone with them.
Nurturing our true human nature via love, compassion, honest communication with each other and connection to nature is more important than ever. This beautiful planet's future is resting on the scales and the battle is between humaness, consciousness, intuitivness and the flow of energy for the purpose of creation and between robotism, mechanism, fake life simulations and law and order, and it is most crucial.
Now may be the right time to make up our minds, or better yet, do all we can to strengthen our hearts.
Many blessings to us all ~
Limor
The material scientists worry me because they have got it so wrong. Brain doesn't create consciousness, it is a receiver. I think that this video would fit the topic...
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Limor Wolf
18th May 2014, 18:52
Stephen Hawking: 'Transcendence looks at the implications of artificial intelligence - but are we taking AI seriously enough?'
Success in creating AI would be the biggest event in human history. Unfortunately, it might also be the last, unless we learn how to avoid the risks, says a group of leading scientists
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With the Hollywood blockbuster Transcendence playing in cinemas, with Johnny Depp and Morgan Freeman showcasing clashing visions for the future of humanity, it's tempting to dismiss the notion of highly intelligent machines as mere science fiction. But this would be a mistake, and potentially our worst mistake in history.
Artificial-intelligence (AI) research is now progressing rapidly. Recent landmarks such as self-driving cars, a computer winning at Jeopardy! and the digital personal assistants Siri, Google Now and Cortana are merely symptoms of an IT arms race fuelled by unprecedented investments and building on an increasingly mature theoretical foundation. Such achievements will probably pale against what the coming decades will bring.
The potential benefits are huge; everything that civilisation has to offer is a product of human intelligence; we cannot predict what we might achieve when this intelligence is magnified by the tools that AI may provide, but the eradication of war, disease, and poverty would be high on anyone's list. Success in creating AI would be the biggest event in human history.
Unfortunately, it might also be the last, unless we learn how to avoid the risks. In the near term, world militaries are considering autonomous-weapon systems that can choose and eliminate targets; the UN and Human Rights Watch have advocated a treaty banning such weapons. In the medium term, as emphasised by Erik Brynjolfsson and Andrew McAfee in The Second Machine Age, AI may transform our economy to bring both great wealth and great dislocation.
Looking further ahead, there are no fundamental limits to what can be achieved: there is no physical law precluding particles from being organised in ways that perform even more advanced computations than the arrangements of particles in human brains. An explosive transition is possible, although it might play out differently from in the movie: as Irving Good realised in 1965, machines with superhuman intelligence could repeatedly improve their design even further, triggering what Vernor Vinge called a "singularity" and Johnny Depp's movie character calls "transcendence".
One can imagine such technology outsmarting financial markets, out-inventing human researchers, out-manipulating human leaders, and developing weapons we cannot even understand. Whereas the short-term impact of AI depends on who controls it, the long-term impact depends on whether it can be controlled at all.
Read here (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/stephen-hawking-transcendence-looks-at-the-implications-of-artificial-intelligence--but-are-we-taking-ai-seriously-enough-9313474.html)
Surely this will mean its awareness will be limited to the 'story' of the subject. With no actual awareness... just thoughts and memories forever pretending to be aware. Yes, the story can grow, but what's the point? How empty and tragic.
Isn't that what most of us are most of the time? Biological/mechanical pack of memories and programmed behavior acting and thinking and living pretty unconsciously. The difference being the potential choice of living from the heart and higher consciousness, choice done by only a few.
Good reply.....living from the heart and higher consciousness.Your reply really is awesome and full of wisdom!
It would have been an excellent statement, but, it was a direct reply to my statement about a computerised story of an expression of life and how it doesn't suit any purpose. A correct reply would be to challenge its purpose. Whether the current and accepted meat suit 'build' is a parallel or not is irrelevant. As nice as it is to see the reply, I'd prefer it follow a more logical path, unfortunately it was derailed. Still, logic and language is the cross we all bear at the moment.
Again I support the statement, just not as a reply to another tenuously linked statement. :)
Lefty seems happy now, that'll shut him up. LoL. ;)
Transhumanism is not only the future. It's already here. Covert mind control technology is used on unwitting people across the globe. I have experienced it quite a lot in my time as a mind control target. There are some really good things about it but in general you don't want to replace your soul generating thoughts for an AI IMHO. I'm not against ethical transhumanism though after experiencing it hardcore for years. All ET races that can get here have it and use it. The bads replace their soul's thought generation with it(Greys, PLFs), the goods just use it to their advantage for things like enhancing meals and memory when they get older... Also for telepathy. Things like that.
I'm also all for the public development of it because the sooner it comes out publicly, the sooner we can detect malicious mind control.... Maybe I have an unpopular opinion here but take it as you will, I know for sure it's the future.
sigma6
19th May 2014, 08:20
The material scientists worry me because they have got it so wrong. Brain doesn't create consciousness, it is a receiver. I think that this video would fit the topic...
q9ni9m2L_uI
Oh they don't have it wrong they have it quite right. Don't forget who controls these institutions. And there is no question of the control. The Russians clearly and beautifully exposed the fraud of the University system during the Carbon Tax Global Tax Money Grab. This is all part of a subtle propaganda campaign. Designed to undermine or suppress new science that is coming down the pipe. There is something not adding up when people talk seriously about stuff like that, without qualifying it is all super hyper theoretical with no practical ability to implement (i.e. consciousness into a "machine") Not even close.
In terms of "consciousness" the smartest computer might have the "equivalency" of a earthworm, maybe it is slightly higher who knows. Machines are way, way too dependent on electricity and maintenance... George Lucas accurately predicted that "robots" will always be like incredibly retarded people, or very dependent. Emulation is not recreation. Robots can "appear" to be conscious is not anything at all like be conscious. It's ridiculous. It's all a mumbo jumbo play on words...
The real cutting edge of science is understanding mind. Or should I say the reawakening of really really OLD science. That goes back to all the ancient cultures on the planet. Maybe that is the biggest secret going. The true unlimited potential of human consciousness. Ironically the secret societies are the biggest "protectors" of this secret. The world must soon wake up. The future is hurling toward us. Given current computer technology, I don't see consciousness even close... Humanity, they haven't been able to upload even a dumb animal's consciousness into a computer. This is still science fiction. The way they are talking about all this smacks of propaganda, not science.
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