Russia and VT point the Finger for 9/11: Did the Israelies plant nukes in the towers? Nuke cancer in victims. [Archive]

GuyFox

21st May 2014, 11:40

[ Mod-edit: the following post was originally made a day later. I merged two threads and moved this post to the top of the merged thread. The two stories are closely related. Together, they provide powerful new evidence that Israelis planted nukes demolished the WTC towers on 9/11, supported by grievous evidence of extensive deaths and illness from cancer (of the sort usually only found in nuclear bomb exposure) in 9/11 victims. While the two reports can be separated, the subsequent discussion overlaps almost entirely. -- Paul. ]

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Russia and VT point the Finger: Were Israelis the Villains in 9/11 ?

"Russia's very angry at the US and Europe for the hypocrisy that they have shown in the Ukraine,"
says Gordon Duff of Veterans Today. So they have revealed a secret, about the Israelis:
"They are accused of being guilty of nuclear proliferation" (passing on US weapons)...
and: "Storing nuclear weapons in Israeli Embassies."

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fX4vAs3pbL4/TmhEUpug8xI/AAAAAAAAA4w/CcQlIl1nvsU/s1600/Fingers-pointing-1-away-3-at-you.jpg
It is not a gun... but can be a sort of weapon

To be accurate below the Title of this post: Duff and VT seem to be the ones who are doing must of the "dot connecting" with 9/11.
But the possibility of there being a meaningful link is very real based upon what is in the documents.

My own guess is:
The Russians may have released these documents to give a warning to the US and others (Europe? Israel?) that Russia may have some data that will allow them to make a stronger connection between 9/11 and Israel.

Gordon Duff's Interview with Mike Harris:
z0IQ9E5Sgzo

Duff writing in VT:
Too Classified to Publish: Bush Nuclear Piracy Exposed
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/too-classified-to-publish-bush-nuclear-piracy-exposed/

Some of the most important "DOTS" that the article connects are:

+ According to a retired FXX agent specializing in Israeli counter intel: The type of nuclear devices used on 911 were a modified version of the W-54 nuclear artillery shells that were covertly provided to the Israelis between 1988 and 1998 from US surplus stockpiles illegally exported during the Bush/Clinton era. Chemical analysis done by DOE Sandi was able to identify the chemical/radiation footprint or fingerprint of the warheads based on samples taken after 911 of the fallout at ground zero. (Editor’s note: Nuclear weapon use at ground zero is confirmed from multiple sources)

+ Melted steel and iron oxide or “nano thermite” is a byproduct of the very high gamma ray / Neutron flux induced into the central steel core. The radiation dissolves the steel into iron oxide consuming the carbon and silicone in the steel. This explains the missing steel columns and the very important clue of the “vaporized’ 20 ton antenna tower atop the south tower. The upward blast of radiation literally vaporized it. Video evidence proves this to be true. (Editor’s note: Tower issue a vital one.)

+ It appears that the weapon of choice for the Israelis were the W-54 and follow on series of nuclear pits taken from the Amarillo TX storage dump. This was what Carnaberry was working on for Bush senior in Houston. A total of over 350 pits were transferred to the Israelis over a 10 to 20 year period of time. The W-54 type of pit design were the most desirable due to the 2 point implosion pit design.

+ These are stored in most Israelite embassies for ease of deployment. The one’s used on 911 were kept at the Israeli consulate in NYC until put in place. After 911 the FBI now checks all diplomatic pouches with a Geiger counter before entering or leaving the US.

+ Illegal distribution of US nuclear material to foreign allies was not limited to Israel. Virtually all NATO allies were in on this scam too. Dick Cheney was the bad guy on this one. Bush2/Cheney traded nuclear pits to foreign country as IOU’s in order to get what they wanted.

= End of Excerpts =

This is potentially explosive material.

Will anyone, apart from some writers on VT and a "friendly" podcaster like Mike Harris connect the dots in this way?

We shall see !

I have a sense that Russia could tell America much more about its own history, than what has come through in the corporate controlled press. Are they now threatening TPTB that they will do just that - Tell the Truth - if the US squeezes it too hard in the Ukraine? This looks to be like another move in the big chess game that is going on.

spiritguide

21st May 2014, 11:50

Article lead in...

Tuesday, May 20th, 2014 | Posted by Gordon Duff

Nuke Cancer from 9/11 Revealed

By Gordon Duff and Press TV
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A new and terrifying 9/11 conspiracy has hit the news. We are now confronted, not only with startling proof that 9/11 was a “nuclear event,” but that there have been thousands of unreported deaths in New York, radiation cancers and nearly 70,000 being kept alive with experimental stem cell therapy and physically devastating “chemo.”

One of the biggest medical cover-ups in history was exposed this week when Wall Street brokers suffering from cancer after 9/11 made the news. While telling their story, the New York Post revealed that 70,000 New Yorkers have applied for 9/11 victim compensation, most for cancers that can only be attributed to direct exposure to ionizing radiation from nuclear weapons.

Officials would not give a breakdown of cancer victims, but 10,800 downtown workers make up the second-largest group of registered claimants after 39,500 Ground Zero responders. There are another 16,600 in smaller categories such as residents, students, child-care and health-care workers.

Finance workers engulfed in dust and debris from the Twin Towers’ collapse say the attacks — and returning to Wall Street a week later, when officials insisted it was safe — triggered their diseases.”

There is no other established cause, not “toxic soup” or irradiated drywall. In fact, the 70,000 victims represent the largest cancer cluster in history, even more victims than survivors of both Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined, the only other similar “spike” of multiple myeloma cases.

Of the 70,000 victims, over 90% say they were exposed within a one-square-mile area. Yet the cover-up has been so thorough that only one death has been “officially reported” and only a small number of victims have been paid compensation due to a “system” ripe with denial, disinformation and corruption.

NUKES, NOT PLANES AND PANCAKES
The official cause of the collapse of the three towers at the World Trade Center was a terror attack involving two airplanes. We are told that the towers simply collapsed because they were built without a central core and heat had weakened the steel on the poorly designed structure.

Studies by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, however, tell a different story, that of the most powerful buildings on earth with massive steel cores and a design capable of withstanding aircraft crashes, earthquakes or fires without significant structural damage.

The third tower, Building 7,”simply fell for no apparent reason. No answers were given and when questions were asked, the answer was “Building what?”

The “official report” simply made it all up, junk science and perjured testimony. For the cancer victims of 9/11, the lying is still going on.

Were one or more of the three towers destroyed on 9/11, the victim of “nuclear demolitions?” An article in the New York Post outlining the largest “cancer cluster” in history may well do exactly that.

WHERE THE “NUKE” CLAIMS COME FROM
Recently, stories attributing the destruction of the World Trade Center to “nano-thermite” were spread across the news. They originated from “Gawker,” a website for New York-based media insiders.

The first time nuclear weapons were mentioned involving 9/11 was when former Soviet nuclear intelligence officer, Dimitri Khalezov, wrote of being briefed by his government that nuclear demolitions had been planted under the World Trade Center.

Khalezov told of a September 12, 2001 meeting with Mossad operations chief Mike Harari and other Israeli intelligence specialists including Harari’s son.

At a celebratory brunch in Bangkok, according to Khalezov, the Israelis took credit for the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks. Khalezov presented proof, including a copy of Harari’s passport, issued under a false identity but with a clearly recognizable photo.

In 2007, a team of FBI agents flew to Bangkok to interview Khalezov. Their investigation was of specially built aircraft they said crashed into the twin towers, each containing, according to the FBI, a small nuclear weapon.
They also interviewed Khalezov about the Pentagon attack and his belief that a stolen Granit missile had been used.

According to authoritative sources, “Lord of War,” Victor Bout, the CIA gun runner portrayed by Nicholas Cage in the film, Lord of War,” was extradited to the United States where he is imprisoned, not for the charges the public is told of, but for supplying the missile used to attack the Pentagon.

No mention is made of who Bout’s co-conspirators were.
In 2010, sources within the Defense Intelligence Agency began working with an operational hypothesis that the twin towers were destroyed with advanced “neutron-like” weapons that left no radiation signature. They believe that multiple weapons were used, not only in the towers themselves but in the subbasement as well.

Reports by investigative journalist Jeff Prager outlining underground fires lasting months along with the almost total lack of wreckage is seen by many as a very strong confirmation of the DIA hypothesis.

THE CONTINUING COVERUP
After 9/11, tens of thousands of Americans developed cancer. Many died but no one will ever know how many. That number is, for some reason “classified.”

By 2006, the Village Voice had begun to write about the cancer epidemic and Dr. Larry Norton of Sloan Kettering Memorial Medical Center cited that something in the dust may have caused the cancer outbreak. Norton demanded a detailed study be funded, but no study followed.

In fact, there was never any evidence that the “toxic dust” was, in fact, any different than what New Yorkers had been breathing for decades. Why should it have been?

They had been demolishing buildings in Manhattan for a century. Then the reports became more bizarre.
Stories were circulated that the World Trade Center was built with Chinese drywall containing radioactive phosphor-gypsum. However, no “Chinese drywall” had been imported to New York at that time nor was any used in the World Trade Center construction.

Then again, there is no evidence that small amounts of radiation could have caused the massive spike in cancers, with up to 70% of the tens of thousands of first responders suffering according to Dr. Norton.

THE “NUCLEAR TEST” CANCER
The cancer is multiple myeloma. Victims are told they got it from breathing “toxic soup” from 9/11, mostly drywall dust. The number of victims who have thus far applied for benefits from the 2.7-billion-dollar 9/11 fund, as reported in the New York Post story, that number is 69,900.
There is one known direct cause for this disease, exposure to a nuclear explosion. Multiple myeloma is also known as “the Hiroshima disease.”

Studies at both Los Alamos and Livermore Labs show little increase, no more than 4%, for minor radiation exposure. There are no other established factors, no “toxic soup” that can cause this disease.

From Cancer Compass:

“Some research suggests that there are certain multiple myeloma risk factors increase a person’s chance of getting multiple myeloma. Farmers and petroleum workers exposed to certain chemicals also seem to have a higher-than-average chance of getting multiple myeloma. In addition, people exposed to large amounts of radiation (such as survivors of the atomic bomb explosions in Japan) have an increased risk for this disease.”

In 1988, Congress established (Radiation Exposed Veterans Compensation Act Pub. L. 100-321) those diseased attributed to ionizing radiation from nuclear explosions. Listed as “Number 2” under leukemia is multiple myeloma.

Link to the rest of this informative and lenghtly article...

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/nuke-cancer-from-911-revealed/

The comments section of the article are worth reading also.

Peace!

Post script... The question is why the CDC and the AEC are not all over this with reports and bulletins?

Matt P

21st May 2014, 12:04

I was just coming over to post the same article. Well done spiritguide. I can think of no better way of honoring the opening of the 9/11 memorial.
Wow, how do New Yorkers put up with this crap?

A great companion read to this is the one Gordon published yesterday or the day before about where those nukes came from:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/too-classified-to-publish-bush-nuclear-piracy-exposed/

Matt

araucaria

21st May 2014, 12:10

Well, if Wall St is saying that 911 was an inside job, that is really going to put the cat among the pigeons.

Cardillac

21st May 2014, 13:01

Zaya

21st May 2014, 13:04

Wow. You know, I remember a year or two ago when the firefighters were ALL sick and fighting for health rights and such. I would venture to say that it was related, no? This is damning for the folks that don't want the truth to get out there. The real test will be whether MSM picks it up or not. Some people will dismiss anything if it doesn't make it there...

spiritguide

21st May 2014, 13:17

Hervé

21st May 2014, 13:56

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The real test will be whether MSM picks it up or not. Some people will dismiss anything if it doesn't make it there...

If MSM ever picks it up it will be for damage control... keeping the actual "how & why" out of sight.

Zaya

21st May 2014, 14:01

ThePythonicCow

21st May 2014, 19:13

ThePythonicCow

21st May 2014, 20:19

all I can say to spiritguide's posting is: read Dr. Judy Wood's monumental "Where Did the Towers Go? for an "alternative" view of 9/11-

is there anyone out there in "Avalonian Land" who has not yet read this book!?- if not, you might want to get off of this website and read her book- just a suggestion-

please be well all-

Larry

Gordon addresses this in the comments section of the article. Judy's book reveals more of the toys available to the cabal. High energy can dustify at the right frequency whether nuclear, light or sound according to the present findings of science.

Peace!
I've read and followed Judy Wood for years, and supported her fine work.

My take was that she showed evidence that the WTC towers were not taken down by "conventional" (large, external to the building) nuclear bombs. But I don't recall her closely addressing the potential of a small, focused, nuclear explosion internal to the building or its basement.

I also suppose that nuclear explosions of most any sort could produce "exotic energy weapon" effects, such as those Judy Wood documents so well.

Furthermore, I presume that multiple mechanisms were used, contributing to the confusion in analyzing this. But from these two Veterans Today articles, I now favor the conclusion that such small nuclear devices were the primary means of taking down the WTC towers, and that (Zionist bastards in) Israel played a critical role in providing and placing those devices.

Tesla_WTC_Solution

21st May 2014, 22:27

I approvez of ze thread.
But I feel sorry for the people -- even the rich ones -- who are stricken with diseases due to the funky radiation at ground zero.

Wow at Veterans Today, brave people wot wot?

Thank you Paul for your insight into this issue...

"if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" i.e. get some sympathy from Big Money and the story can't stay suppressed.

if Wall St wants revenge I am all for it lol.
i would be pissed too if I was w/ Cantor Fitzgerald etc and was the sacrificial lamb that got sent to work on the Big Bad Day.

p.s. not even mentioning the firefighters who were sent in to die courtesy of "whoever". :(

spiritguide

22nd May 2014, 16:01

Explain the scent of the trail please. The trail I've been watching has been going in circles for years. VT has exposed a few more dots and has allowed another view of the likely scenerio. IMHO

Peace!

ThePythonicCow

22nd May 2014, 16:17

The trail I've been watching has been going in circles for years.
Indeed :).

VT has exposed a few more dots and has allowed another view of the likely scenerio.
Agreed.

cursichella1

22nd May 2014, 17:37

True, Amzer Zo. And I bet they would probably try to use the likes of Colbert and Stewart to cover these kinds of stories (as they did with the firefighters from 911, actually). As much as I love those shows, lately, I have been having the sinking feeling that they are being used as a "keep the young people thinking someone is on their side" sort of thing. They are there to act as a fake balancing act almost. Like - hey! Not everyone is praising the administration! Look! Look over here!

You're 100% correct and can throw Bill Maher into the mix, as he is the (perhaps funniest and) guiltiest of all (and a 911 denier, btw). These 'liberals', along with their ridiculous (and non-funny) 'conservative' colleagues only serve to perpetuate the myth that our country is made up two separate factions. Nothing could be further from the truth.

It is their perfect remedy to keep the nosey peons (that make up the American public) occupied so the puppet masters can continue doing what THEY want to do, all behind the scenes (Classified and compartmentalized - as matters of 'National Security', so for THEIR eyes and ears only).

As for these cancers...it is tragic, but was predictable. The allowance by the media of these announcements (are we now to be led to sympathize with Wall Street?) is a bone thrown to keep us busy, again, chasing theories about what caused the buildings to fall, what substance causes what cancer, who covered up what...none of which is particularly relevant at this point.

What IS relevant, extracting the cancerous, evil, Globalist creeps who have hijacked our legitimate government, because as is, an honest investigation into 911 (not that one is needed...I believe for the most part THAT has already been figured out) and legitimate indictments are not a part of THEIR plan.

Why is Obama no different, perhaps worse, than George W. Bush? Why do liberals accept Obama's droning, NSA, war mongering? "He's a liberal, so we must really need these things." or "His hands are tied by the Republicans!" Why is Obama the polar opposite of what he promised to be?

Forget that and look beyond...who have these two presidents and the majority of their predecessors surrounded themselves with in the form of "advisors" and Cabinet Members, both Official and unofficial? Why the revolving door between heads of the financial world, economic advisors and National Security?

Regardless of "Party" affiliation, the majority of these folks are CFR and/or Bilderberg members and/or members of one of their other private, secretive, non-profit spinoff groups. Forget the Illuminati excitement for the moment as that may be legit but is hardly an angle to pursue when trying to STOP these people, as that hocus pocus is just one more distraction.

Here, why on Earth is Dick Cheney still in the news, spouting off about Obama's weak support (as if!) of NSA programs and pretending that 911 could've been stopped??! A recent, primo example of the charade that the American public continues to buy into:

by Dylan Stableford, Yahoo News 4/1/2014
In a speech at the Republican Jewish Coalition's spring meeting in Las Vegas over the weekend, former Vice President Dick Cheney slammed the "isolationists" within the GOP, defended the National Security Agency spy program and, of course, criticized President Barack Obama.

Cheney's remarks were closed to the press, but audio of the speech obtained by Mother Jones was posted online Tuesday.

"That we have created in the National Security Agency this monster bureaucracy that's reading everybody's mail, listening to everybody's phone calls, infringing upon our civil liberties and civil rights — hogwash," Cheney said at the March 29 event. "It probably would've allowed us to stop 9/11.''...

Full Article http://news.yahoo.com/cheney-adelson-speech-nsa-iran-151630354.html

Not only is he reinforcing the strong Defense neo-con angle, he's also:

-Reinforcing/legitimizing his 'innocence' with respect to claims that he was one of several behind the 911 attacks.
-Pacifying the pro-privacy rights folks into thinking that Obama is going to do away with the unconstitutional NSA programs, so we'll all forget about it and move on
-Scaring us into thinking without the NSA 'protections', we're headed for another 911.

The ONLY terrorists are guys like Cheney.

Food for thought. Time to get off that couch! We need to stop what is tangible, here, in this physical world.

Illuminati, good aliens, bad aliens, disclosure, whatever...real or not, kind of out of our hands. Human cockroaches manipulating our legitimate government, using legitimate, patriotic civil servants as their scapegoats*? That is where we can do something.

Write to your representatives (this always causes panic, even in the CFR) but don't expect REAL results. Support term limits and campaign limits, alternative media, Privacy protection, 911 Truth, Whistleblowers, Constitutional Rights, Transparency and Net neutrality; fight Globalization and be LOUD about it.

Ignore Left Right issues for the time being, as they won't matter if we aren't able to get a grip on the big issue. Even Global Warming or Global Cooling is irrelevant if we're not seeing legitimate studies by folks that haven't been influenced by threats of cut funding. Someone with balls needs to physically go and document whatever they can on Chemtrails - close up, so we know exactly what that is all about.

EXPOSE all you can. Enlighten friends and family members. Encourage others to do the same. Don't let the NSA monitoring (intimidation) silence you! This is seriously late in the game. Most important, because it is so late in the game, support legitimate legal organizations that are willing to take on these causes on our behalf.

OK, some venting, but needs to be said.

Contact your representatives: http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml

http://februari61.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/388493_10150568438911565_1493325697_n.jpg

How is CFR managed? Who is in charge?

CFR is incorporated under New York State law. Its Board of Directors provides overall direction, and Richard N. Haass, the Council's president and a former senior government official, leads daily operations. Carla A. Hills, chair and chief executive officer of Hills & Company and former U.S. trade representative, and Robert E. Rubin, former secretary of the treasury, are co-chairs of CFR's Board of Directors, while David M. Rubenstein, co-founder and co-chief executive officer of The Carlyle Group is the vice chair.

http://www.cfr.org/about/faqs.html

Robert Edward Rubin (born August 29, 1938) is an American economist and banking executive. He served as the 70th United States Secretary of the Treasury during the Clinton administration. Before his government service, he spent 26 years at Goldman Sachs, eventually serving as a member of the board and co-chairman from 1990 to 1992; Rubin oversaw the loosening of financial industry underwriting guidelines which had been intact since the 1930s.[1] His most prominent post-government role was as director and senior counselor of Citigroup, where he performed ongoing advisory and representational roles for the firm.[2] From November to December 2007, he served temporarily as chairman of Citigroup[3][4] and resigned from the company on January 9, 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Rubin

*Why were CIA and military "ineptitudes" blamed on the 911 failures, yet no one was fired?

ThePythonicCow

22nd May 2014, 20:38

I moved five posts from this thread to the thread Digression from discussion of 9/11, nukes and cancer (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71669-Digression-from-discussion-of-9-11-nukes-and-cancer).

Tesla_WTC_Solution

22nd May 2014, 23:38

I was gonna post how angry that Rockefeller picture makes me, lmao.
But the Digression thread is closed. I guess the people of Main Thread can smell "That smell again".

:D

How can these people be allowed to continue (Rockefellers) after saying such things??

And my cousin Bret supports their int'l cabal, makes me SO SICKKK

the thing is, they treat their int'l partners at least as bad as they treat the US people...
why would anyone do business with sell outs like them?

the only one of the family who isn't a complete scary muppet is the Democrat kid in WV lol.
the only good thing i know of that he helped w/ was not closing the 130th.

there is no such thing as a perfect unit but the 130th is darned close.

and TPTB were gonna take everything they had and distribute it to losers in active duty.

anyway that's my take on the Rockefellers.

to THIS DAY they continue to come up when arson and real estate are discussed.

whatever happened to WTC, they had a plan for a long time to build something even more profane there.

really not impressed with the Djed pillar (1WTC) being raised on the tombs of the firefighters and people who were sent to die.
even if Larry et all didn't profit from the disaster they still were able to move forward with evil plans.

i think the plan to trash wtc was made before groundbreaking.

1966 bohemian grove would have been a place to see -- i bet they were already talking about who would be blamed in 2000 when the towers finally were "permitted' to come down.

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Tesla_WTC_Solution

23rd May 2014, 04:54

Oh MAN, this would make my grandmother turn green.
Which usually means it's solid gold. :) teehee.

(But what does Russia gain from Israel losing allies?)

http://eng.globalaffairs.ru/redcol/Russias-Israel-Policies-15840

NUKES/Syria

The only issue that seriously divides Russia and Israel is Iran and its nuclear program. Russia thinks a nuclear Iran is unpleasant but not fatal, while Israel sees it as an existential threat. Many signs indicate that the situation involving Tehran is coming to a head, one way or another. The Middle East has a reputation that everything happens according to a recurring pattern until something finally shatters that framework.

GuyFox

23rd May 2014, 05:03

A very good question, Tesla.
And maybe this is why the info was leaked as it was done.

Gordon Duff says that the Israelis are "pretending" to support Russia in the Ukraine, but their true role behind the scenes is very different.
How can we, living outside the world of intelligence operations, possibly know the truth?

The simple fact that these docs were released, is some evidence that Duff may be right.

You might want to listen to the Video Podcast : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IQ9E5Sgzo

...to see if you agree with my short and punchy summary.

Tesla_WTC_Solution

23rd May 2014, 05:05

If Israel is playing puppet w/ Nazis they better be damned careful!!

It's like a rabbit holding a Doberman's leash!

Thanks Guyfox ;)

ThePythonicCow

23rd May 2014, 05:44

Russia and VT point the Finger: Were Israelis the Villains in 9/11 ?

"Russia's very angry at the US and Europe for the hypocrisy that they have shown in the Ukraine,"
says Gordon Duff of Veterans Today. So they have revealed a secret, about the Israelis:
"They are accused of being guilty of nuclear proliferation" (passing on US weapons)...
and: "Storing nuclear weapons in Israeli Embassies."
I merged your thread in with the existing thread discussing this important revela

GuyFox

23rd May 2014, 06:46

Tesla_WTC_Solution

23rd May 2014, 08:05

Uhoh :(

This merger was a bit off putting altho it's typical to merge duplicate threads.

last week or couple days ago there were a TON of duplicates, the photon threads, and I think Paul had his work cut out for him..

*hugs fox* lol

ThePythonicCow

23rd May 2014, 11:43

I Am NOT HAPPY that my thread got merged in this way !!

I will delete my post - since the intent of my communication has been destroyed by this merger, and the content was dissimilar - I mentioned 911, but focused on what the Russians are leaking, not the connection with cancer.

I don't believe that Paul read my post carefully. Perhaps the reference to Gordon Duff and VT, was all that he noticed.

(If it happens again, I shall consider leaving this place. My post was long and thoughtful, and took much time to put together.)

Anyway, good luck with the thread, Spirit.
Sorry for the distraction

Hmmm ... Uhoh :( as Tesla_WTC_Solution wrote.

The two articles

cancer in those near the WTC just after 9/11 and
important new evidence that nukes planted by Israel took down the WTC towers

are indeed, separate, though related, topics.

The follow-on discussion from the earlier thread involving (1) was however entirely suitable for a thread such as (2), and indeed the two reports have several interconnections. For example, the cancer report is additional and powerful evidence supporting the planted nukes report.

I restored your well written and very important post. One way or another we've got to find a proper place for that post on this forum (and make sure you don't leave in a huff.)

I can reverse the merge, if we decide that's best. First, I am going to try something different.

I will

move your (GuyFox's now restored) post presenting article (2), the nukes, to the beginning of this thread, just ahead of spiritguide's post presenting article (1),
add a Mod-edit to explain this, and
update the thread title to reflect the combined topic.

GuyFox

23rd May 2014, 12:20

ThePythonicCow

23rd May 2014, 12:54

Here's another, secondary but vital, Veterans Today article regarding 9/11. From 9/11 Museum: Shrine of the monstrous lie (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/21/911museum/):

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Sometime during the 1990s, Philip Zelikow sat down to work out what would happen if a massive human sacrifice were conducted in New York via the immolation of the World Trade Center. He concluded that such a human sacrifice would – like Pearl Harbor – create a new sacred myth for Americans. This myth would convince Americans to accept restrictions on their civil liberties. It would propel a new era of American interventionism and empire-building around the world…especially in the Middle East, where Zelikow’s beloved Israel is the real reason for US intervention, the reason “that dare not speak its name (https://www.vdare.com/articles/philip-zelikow-and-the-iraq-threat-that-dare-not-speak-its-name).”

Zelikow published an article in 1998 entitled “Catastrophic Terrorism (http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/54602/ashton-b-carter-john-deutch-and-philip-zelikow/catastrophic-terrorism-tackling-the-new-danger).” In it, he speculated about the likely social, psychological and cultural effects of a Pearl Harbor style event such as “the destruction of the World Trade Center.” What he didn’t say was that he and certain colleagues were already in the process of writing the Hollywood-style script for that very event.

Zelikow knows that the sacred quality of 9/11 is based on the fact that it was a human sacrifice that everyone is required to lie about. He has read René Girard, the foremost scholar of the role of human sacrifice in myth and religion. Zelikow knows that Girard wrote that pagan culture is “founded on a murder and a lie.”
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Though this article by Kevin Barrett seems initially to be about the 9/11 Museum (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/21/911museum/), it is really about the documented history of the planning for a satanic false religion: The Official Conspiracy Theory of 9/11.

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All the pieces are falling into place now, including the planning ahead of time, the details of the technology used and their acquisition, and the death by the cancer of radiation poisoning in 10's of thousands of victims in the years following.

Carmody

23rd May 2014, 13:07

I do remember that Israel closed every single one of it's consulates and embassies at the same time, just a while back. I wonder if this has any connection.

Maia Gabrial

23rd May 2014, 13:59

I love that the Truth refuses to stay hidden under all the lies! As this happens the roaches are trying to hide.... Nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide.

spiritguide

23rd May 2014, 14:50

I appreciate Paul's concern and willingness to un-merge the thread, and retitle it.
My apologies to Spirit for unintentionally hijacking his thread.

I am open to people's thoughts here on the appropriateness of :

+ The Topic
+ The Title
+ The way I have handled it

As well as any comments on the content in the early posts.

Thanks, again to Paul for letting this thread go ahead

@Fox,
You did not hijack the thread, it is VT's info that was posted here by me so as to be seen far and wide. Paul does his work to keep this platform in a readable and organized condition. Just don't make it seem that one's opinion is superior than another's. Communicating truth is the subject at hand and discernment is the major tool. No apologies needed. The info is out now, now let us correct the 9/11 misinformation and treason wherever found.

Peace!

ThePythonicCow

23rd May 2014, 14:56

Zelikow published an article in 1998 entitled “Catastrophic Terrorism (http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/54602/ashton-b-carter-john-deutch-and-philip-zelikow/catastrophic-terrorism-tackling-the-new-danger).” In it, he speculated about the likely social, psychological and cultural effects of a Pearl Harbor style event such as “the destruction of the World Trade Center.”
Quoting directly from that 1998 article in Foreign Affairs (http://www.foreignaffairs.com/) (the Council on Foreign Relations' flagship magazine (http://www.cfr.org/publication/by_type/foreign_affairs.html)), authored by Ashton B. Carter, John Deutch, and Philip Zelikow (bold added by myself):

A successful attack with weapons of mass destruction could certainly take thousands, or tens of thousands, of lives. If the device that exploded in 1993 under the World Trade Center had been nuclear, or had effectively dispersed a deadly pathogen, the resulting horror and chaos would have exceeded our ability to describe it. Such an act of catastrophic terrorism would be a watershed event in American history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented in peacetime and undermine America's fundamental sense of security, as did the Soviet atomic bomb test in 1949. Like Pearl Harbor, this event would divide our past and future into a before and after. The United States might respond with draconian measures, scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and use of deadly force. More violence could follow, either further terrorist attacks or U.S. counterattacks. Belatedly, Americans would judge their leaders negligent for not addressing terrorism more urgently.
James Corbett provided a detailed report on Zelikow in October 2013: Learn History with Philip Zelikow! (video) (http://www.corbettreport.com/learn-history-with-philip-zelikow-video/).

Other articles on Zelikow's role in 9/11, before and after, can be found at:

Rape Story - Phillip D. Zelikow... 911 Myth Maker (Rense.com) (http://www.rense.com/general78/rapestory.htm)
Zelikow: 9/11 Master Criminal Appointed By Obama (Veterans Today) (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/20/142478/)
IRAQ: War Launched to Protect Israel (IPS News Agency) (http://www.ipsnews.net/2004/03/iraq-war-launched-to-protect-israel-bush-adviser/)
Pentagon Author Exposes Zelikow’s Key Role in 9/11 Cover-Up (Intifada-Palestine.com) (http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2010/10/pentagon-author-exposes-zelikow%E2%80%99s-key-role-in-911-cover-up/)
Philip Zelikow: The Bush Administration Investigates the Bush Administration (911Truth.org) (http://www.911truth.org/philip-zelikow-the-bush-administration-investigates-the-bush-administration/)
Zelikow - The myth maker behind 9/11 & War on Terror (MUHAMMAD ALI BEN MARCUS) (http://muhammad-ali-ben-marcus.blogspot.com/2012/06/philip-d-zelikow-jewish-mythologist.html)
Zelikow is particularly well tuned to threats against Israel, as evidenced by this comment he made, reported in various places including the Asia Times (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FC31Aa01.html) (bold added by myself):

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Iraq was invaded 'to protect Israel' - US official
By Emad Mekay

WASHINGTON - Iraq under Saddam Hussein did not pose a threat to the United States, but it did to Israel, which is one reason why Washington invaded the Arab country, according to a speech made by a member of a top-level White House intelligence group.

Inter Press Service uncovered the remarks by Philip Zelikow, who is now the executive director of the body set up to investigate the terrorist attacks on the US in September 2001 - the 9/11 commission - in which he suggests a prime motive for the invasion just over one year ago was to eliminate a threat to Israel, a staunch US ally in the Middle East.

...
Zelikow made his statements about "the unstated threat" during his tenure on a highly knowledgeable and well-connected body known as the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB), which reports directly to the president. He served on the board between 2001 and 2003.

"Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I'll tell you what I think the real threat [is] and actually has been since 1990 - it's the threat against Israel," Zelikow told a crowd at the University of Virginia on September 10, 2002, speaking on a panel of foreign policy experts assessing the impact of September 11 and the future of the war on al-Qaeda.

"And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the Europeans don't care deeply about that threat, I will tell you frankly. And the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell," said Zelikow.
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Zelikow wrote the script for 9/11, before it happened, with the full and explicit intention that it become a major myth shaping American history, "a new Pearl Harbor" in the infamous phrase from his September 2000 article "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces, and Resources For a New Century" (pdf) (http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf)

Zelikow wrote the 9/11 Commission report afterward, before the Commission began its work fleshing out Zelikow's detailed outline, ignoring or suppressing all evidence to the contrary.

Zelikow's first allegiance may well be more to Israel than to the US: he supported the US war against Iraq not to protect the US, but to protect Israel.

===

All the pieces, before, during and after 9/11, are coming together.

ThePythonicCow

23rd May 2014, 15:05

All the pieces, before, during and after 9/11, are coming together.
There is an extensive compendium of the evidence that Israel did it at: 9/11:Israel did it (WikiSpooks.com) (https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it).

GuyFox

23rd May 2014, 15:20

Don't forget to listen to the Interview that Mike Harris did with Gordon Duff.

z0IQ9E5Sgzo

They jump into the story pretty fast, so you only need to listen to the first few minutes.

A big story, but I reckon the MSM will not tough it, and VT's headlines were not as careful written as they might have been.

Too Classified to Publish: Bush Nuclear Piracy Exposed (15570)
Nuke Cancer from 9/11 Revealed (8633)

RunningDeer

23rd May 2014, 15:27

I am open to people's thoughts here on the appropriateness of :
+ The way I have handled it

When there's an accusatory tone towards another, I have trouble letting it go to listen to the poster's message. I realize that I may lose an opportunity for an insightful message. I'd rather that than be part of disharmony. Though, it's not uncommon for the insight to surface in another way.

I'm a work in progress in going beyond that communication style to hear what is a distant second...information.

Thank you, GuyFox, for the opportunity to state the above.

Take care,
RunningDeer <3

For clarification: I'm referring to the post from the early morning hours today.

ThePythonicCow

23rd May 2014, 15:33

Don't forget to listen to the Interview that Mike Harris did with Gordon Duff.
The audio is a difficult listen for us with bad hearing :).

But, yes, if you can understand Gordon Duff in this interview, it's an excellent description of the importance of the information leaked by Russian intelligence to Veterans Today, and posted by yourself, GuyFox, in the first post of this thread.

I managed to transcribe a tidbit of Duff's interview, from about the 2 minute mark:

This was a direct leak from Russian intelligence, purposefully leaked.

...This is the final word on 9/11. This is an authoritative end-to-end solution, where the weapons came from, how they work, the science physics behind them, and who did it.

ThePythonicCow

23rd May 2014, 15:58

Don't forget to listen to the Interview that Mike Harris did with Gordon Duff.
Listening further to that interview, Duff goes into further detail behind these words from his Veterans Today article (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/too-classified-to-publish-bush-nuclear-piracy-exposed/):
Due to over use as a fast breeder reactor by the Israelis, Dimona suffered a “steam explosion” IE a flash over indecent due to neutron criticality back in the late 1980′s under Bush 1. This shut down its operation for many years until repairs could be made.

It know only operates at very low power levels due to neutron absorption damage to the containment vessel. Now mainly use for isotope production. This forced the Israelis to turn to stolen nuclear stock piles from the US for the continuation of their nuclear program.
The Bush family took the US nuclear weapons that were supposedly being disassembled to fuel nuclear power plants at a facility in Texas and instead sold them to Israel, who in turn dispersed some to their embassies (the embassies that Carmody reminds us, above, were recently closed), and some to other nations including India, Japan, North and South Korea, Brazil, China, and Taiwan.

yelik

23rd May 2014, 16:20

War games again, I wonder if this has anything to do with Ukraine?

ThePythonicCow

23rd May 2014, 16:25

Here is the video of CIA agent Roland Carnaby being killed by Houston police. Carnaby was handling the transfer of these nuclear materials to Israel for the Bush family. He is named in the Russian report that Duff posted as Too Classified to Publish: Bush Nuclear Piracy Exposed (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/too-classified-to-publish-bush-nuclear-piracy-exposed/), and that GuyFox posted at the beginning of this thread as "Carnaberry".
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GuyFox

23rd May 2014, 16:41

To those who don't like Gordon Duff's finger pointing at Israel,

you should check out reports on that day about "Dancing Israelis"

http://majorityrights.com/uploads/5-dancing-Israelis.jpg

: there was a truck found with explosives, and a van with men seen dancing:

911 - Dancing Israelis
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"our purpose was to document the event"
WHAT?
How did they know there was going to be an event, so they could establish "a purpose",
and be prepared to film it

Rocky_Shorz

23rd May 2014, 17:07

I was just looking into the stand down order yesterday.

in June 2001, rules changed so the only person who can give the nod on attacking inbound planes, is the Secretary of State...

Rumsfeld was busy at the pentagon and didn't know about the attack until the Pentagon was hit.

Cheney and Rice could have responded, but Cheney wouldn't give the nod to bring them down...

I'm starting to wonder if #Benghazi was created just to expose those involved in 9/11

these 2 videos are important to this discussion...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Gm-JFmjQQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5zymP8N6Xs

araucaria

23rd May 2014, 17:09

ThePythonicCow

23rd May 2014, 17:13

War games again, I wonder if this has anything to do with Ukraine?

From Gordon Duff, in his above interview with Mike Harris (http://youtu.be/z0IQ9E5Sgzo?t=35m4s), starting at about the 35:00 mark:

Here's one of the questions we had, in that this clearly dumps on the Israelis, more serious than anything I've ever done, and we know where it comes from. The timing of course is during the issues with the Ukraine, where Russia has been very angry at the hypocrisy of the United States and NATO over the Ukraine. I mean ... this has been insane. But we have to see that the Israeli's have been trying to look like they have been standing with Russia on this, and Russia really lands on them, which more or less tells me that things were not as how they have been seen, that Putin (this is me [Duff] talking, not the paper) that this is Putin lashing out at those Israelis involved ...
I see the relation between 9/11 and the Ukraine as having several aspects.

The longer term goal is control of our civilization. Beneath that, the goal is the control of the most troublesome and unruly nations and peoples left on the planet, such as the American and Islamic nations.

The US is being destroyed - its productivity, its money, and its national government. While it is being destroyed, the tensions are being used to destroy Islamic nations and to tyrannize the American population. As part of this, the BRICS nations are being built up, politically, monetarily, economically and militarily to provide a suitable counter force.

More and more Muslims and more and more Americans, myself included, deeply distrust the US government, just as more and more officials and employees of the US government deeply distrust both Muslims and patriotic Americans. This exposure of 9/11 is one powerful means of fuelling that distrust.

The most essential control mechanism, as will become increasingly evident over the next few years, is the monetary system.

===

“Give me control over a nations currency, and I care not who makes its laws” – Baron M.A. Rothschild.

We are now manifesting the reality that will justify a new version of that famous quote:

“Give me control over a planets currency, and I care not who makes its laws”

ThePythonicCow

23rd May 2014, 17:47

Aha - another important contribution on this, again from Gordon Duff, in this article that he posted on Iranian's PressTV: US secretly selling nukes worldwide via Israel (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/05/22/363676/us-secretly-selling-nukes-worldwide/):

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In 2008, Houston police pulled over CIA agent Roland Carnaby on what appeared to be a routine traffic stop. A few seconds later, Carnaby was dead.

It is illegal to detain a CIA agent under any circumstances. They may carry any weapon, anywhere, anytime, and request assistance from any law enforcement official with more than certainty.

Why then would this incident be part of a highly classified Russian intelligence report? Could it, perhaps, be that Carnaby, answering directly to former President and CIA Director, George H.W. Bush, was murdered to silence his participation in the theft and sale of American nuclear warheads?

Carnaby was holding a trove of documents outlining the theft and transfer of hundreds of nuclear warheads from the Pantex Plant near Amarillo, Texas. Weapons sent there for disassembly were transshipped to Israel and, from there, refurbished, their cores remachined and then sold around the world or stored in Israeli embassies and consulates around the world.

The Russian report outlines a very different view of the past 30 years, a “view” that “fits like a glove.”

DIMONA OUT OF ACTION
The report not only confirms Israel’s nuclear weapon inventory but outlines the program of subterfuge and piracy required to keep Israel as a nuclear power after their facility at Dimona suffered a critical “event” in 1988.

“Dimona is a standard 75-megawatt thermal open top reactor as used in France for their plutonium weapons production program, their version of Stanford (Editor's note: Probably "Hanford").

Due to overuse as a fast breeder reactor by the Israelis, Dimona suffered a "steam explosion" IE a flash over indecent due to neutron criticality back in the late 1980's under Bush 1. This shut down its operation for many years until repairs could be made.
It know only operates at very low power levels due to neutron absorption damage to the containment vessel. Now mainly use for isotope production. This forced the Israelis to turn to stolen nuclear stockpiles from the US for the continuation of their nuclear program.”
The highly classified Russian report, released, experts believe, to demonstrate American hypocrisy over recent events in the Ukraine, is a litany of horror stories. If this is a “first shot over the bow” by Russian intelligence, American officials can only dread what may be to come.

BACKGROUND
48 hours ago, the retired chief of Russia’s counter-intelligence effort for the Middle East released a highly classified report designed to embarrass the United States and demonstrate their servitude to Israel and complicity in broad acts of nuclear proliferation.

The report, loaded with “shock value” intelligence and backed by reams of supporting documents including classified nuclear weapons plans demonstrated that Russia has been able to maintain a high level of penetration of not just American nuclear weapons labs but security agencies as well.

ROUND ONE, 9/11
The report, carefully structured for maximum shock value, begins with 9/11, the watershed event of our era:

“The type of nuclear devices used on 911 were a modified version of the W-54 nuclear artillery shells that were covertly provided to the Israelis between 1988 and 1998 from US surplus stockpiles illegally exported during the Bush/Clinton era.

Chemical analysis done by DOE Sandi was able to identify the chemical/radiation footprint or fingerprint of the warheads based on samples taken after 911 of the fallout at ground zero.”
According to the report, 911 was an Israeli operation facilitated by blackmail of Bush 41 and 43, threatening them with “outing” for their personal financial involvement in the sale of 350 primarily w54 nuclear artillery rounds, sold through Israel but distributed to a number of nations.

The Russian report further outlines that NATO partners, particularly Britain and France, were involved every step of the way. 911 was cover for stolen gold, stock fraud and the looting of the American economy. The “wars for profit” were the Bush boys cashing in on their own.

THE “HOW” OF 911
A number of theories have been introduced to explain the mysterious effects seen at ground zero on 9/11. In an article on the Press TV website, evidence of a widespread cover-up of an epidemic of radiation exposure-related cancers tied to 9/11, was presented.

Not only has Russia confirmed the Press TV findings, they present evidence of nuclear weapons use, evidence from a suppressed report based on findings by the Department of Energy’s Sandia Laboratories.

“Only a 2 kiloton device was needed to drop the buildings. A 2 kiloton device will produce a fireball of apx 150 to 200 feet in diameter at over 4000 degrees Centigrade. Just large enough to melt the I beams of the central core of the building and drop them in place. The light flash would last less than 1 second and primarily be in the UV light range. Overpressure would only be at 60PSI max and directed upwards with the blast.

Fallout would be minimal and located to within ground zero range only. Radiation would drop to acceptable levels within 72 hrs. after the blast. Most fall out was trapped in the cement dust thus causing all of the recent cancer deaths that we are now seeing in NYC amongst first responders.”
The report continues with details that close the door on speculation about 9/11, putting an end to conspiracy theories and, in particular, the wildest one of all, the pseudo-science fairy tale broadly rejected by the 9/11 Commission but allowed to stand as America descended into an Islamophobic frenzy.

“Fallout would be minimal and located to within ground zero range only. Radiation would drop to acceptable levels within 72 hrs. after the blast. Most fall out was trapped in the cement dust thus causing all of the recent cancer deaths that we are now seeing in NYC amongst first responders.

Melted steel and iron oxide or "nano thermite" is a byproduct of the very high gamma ray / Neutron flux induced into the central steel core. The radiation dissolves the steel into iron oxide consuming the carbon and silicone in the steel.”
This explains the missing steel columns and the very important clue of the "vaporized” 20 ton antenna tower atop the south tower. The upward blast of radiation literally vaporized it. Video evidence proves this to be true.

The total (redacted) data file from DOE Sandia on the 911 event is well over 72 MB. “P.S. Snowden didn’t have a Q clearance so he missed this one.”

The scope of the Bush/Cheney/Israeli nuclear proliferation operation, according to the report, is well beyond anything imagined. Here, Russia places the blame, naming not only Vice President Dick Cheney and former White House Chief of Staff Ram Emanuel but Tom Countryman, tasked, according to Russian sources, with actually managing the program that spread nuclear weapons to Brazil, North and South Korea, Saudi Arabia and a number of other nations.

“Illegal distribution of US nuclear material to foreign allies was not limited to Israel. Virtually all NATO allies were in on this scam too. Dick Cheney was the bad guy on this one. Bush2/Cheney traded nuclear pits to foreign country as IOU’s in order to get what they wanted. Tom Countryman a well-known Israeli operative is curiously now in charge of N.N.P. at the State Department under Obama. He was put there by Ram Emanuel.”

REACTIVATING “DEAD NUKES”
Only nuclear weapons that had deteriorated but could be recommissioned were of use to Israel. The Russian report outlines the basis for selecting the W-54 warhead and exacting details on how weapons were created out of America’s “nuclear scrap heap.”

“A total of over 350 pits were transferred to the Israelis over a 10 to 20 year period of time. The W-54 type of pit design were the most desirable due to the 2 point implosion pit design. This is the easiest to re manufacture and modify as compared to other circular pit designs.

The pill shaped design of the W-54 type weapon contains over 1.5 times more plutonium than a standard pit. This would allow enough Plutonium to be recovered that was still of weapons grade use even after 32 plus years of age. Americium build up in the pit over time eventually makes the Pit unusable as a weapon so they have a limited shelf life based on how fast or slow the Plutonium was produce in the reactor at Stanford.

Usually it was about 150 days max. Irradiation time in the reactor during production determines the shelf life of the pit as weapons grade material. All of the micro nukes used by the Israelis are re-manufactured W-54 type series devices.”

CONCLUSION
According to the Russian report, Israel used remanufactured W-54 warheads, reconfigured as micro-nukes, for terror bombings in Bali, London and to destroy the Fukashima nuclear reaction site in Japan.

With weapons around the world, stored in embassies and consulates, and their powerful friends in the American “right,” Israel has managed to maintain nuclear superpower status without a real production facility, using only pirates and traitors, something America, according to our Russian sources, seems to have no shortage of.
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thunder24

23rd May 2014, 18:17

I see the relation between 9/11 and the Ukraine as having several aspects.

The longer term goal is control of our civilization. Beneath that, the goal is the control of the most troublesome and unruly nations and peoples left on the planet, such as the American and Islamic nations.
Just had a conversation along these lines with some good friends... and your quote is hitting nail on head. ALL ABOUT CONTROL!

The US is being destroyed - its productivity, its money, and its national government. While it is being destroyed, the tensions are being used to destroy Islamic nations and to tyrannize the American population. As part of this, the BRICS nations are being built up, politically, monetarily, economically and militarily to provide a suitable counter force.

More and more Muslims and more and more Americans, myself included, deeply distrust the US government, just as more and more officials and employees of the US government deeply distrust both Muslims and patriotic Americans. This exposure of 9/11 is one powerful means of fuelling that distrust.

The most essential control mechanism, as will become increasingly evident over the next few years, is the monetary system.

===

“Give me control over a nations currency, and I care not who makes its laws” – Baron M.A. Rothschild.

We are now manifesting the reality that will justify a new version of that famous quote:

“Give me control over a planets currency, and I care not who makes its laws”
We were also talking about the Amero... friends said they heard it had been released in Canada, not sure what their source was per I don't remember...can anyone confirm or deny this up there?

So the conversation went on to the NWO coming to full blown out there in 2015 by I think it was Lyndsey Williams,http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71632-109.79--price-of-Brent-crude-oil-spot-price-US-Barrel-&p=837243&highlight=world+order+2015#post837243...

Would the AMERO be a counter by some faction within to try and block the BRICS?!

so then came up how our military is supposedly down sizing, which brings up the Pay to Play mercenaires of the BlackWater etc... variety... not loyal to anyone but themselves.

Read today about robots serving fast food and doing something else along the lines of productivity... Makes the movie I ROBOT come to mind... Laura Engram keeps hitting on Imigration, hell what about creation of the bots to take jobs.

ThePythonicCow

23rd May 2014, 18:26

We were also talking about the Amero... friends said they heard it had been released in Canada, not sure what their source was per I don't remember...can anyone confirm or deny this up there?

So the conversation went on to the NWO coming to full blown out there in 2015 by I think it was Lyndsey Williams,(not sure if that is source either)... Would the AMERO be a counter by some faction within to try and block the BRICS?!
I'll avoid answering that here, ostensibly to avoid wandering further off topic (but really because I don't have a clue.)

Rocky_Shorz

23rd May 2014, 19:07

I see the relation between 9/11 and the Ukraine as having several aspects.

The longer term goal is control of our civilization. Beneath that, the goal is the control of the most troublesome and unruly nations and peoples left on the planet, such as the American and Islamic nations.
Just had a conversation along these lines with some good friends... and your quote is hitting nail on head. ALL ABOUT CONTROL!

The US is being destroyed - its productivity, its money, and its national government. While it is being destroyed, the tensions are being used to destroy Islamic nations and to tyrannize the American population. As part of this, the BRICS nations are being built up, politically, monetarily, economically and militarily to provide a suitable counter force.

More and more Muslims and more and more Americans, myself included, deeply distrust the US government, just as more and more officials and employees of the US government deeply distrust both Muslims and patriotic Americans. This exposure of 9/11 is one powerful means of fuelling that distrust.

The most essential control mechanism, as will become increasingly evident over the next few years, is the monetary system.

===

“Give me control over a nations currency, and I care not who makes its laws” – Baron M.A. Rothschild.

We are now manifesting the reality that will justify a new version of that famous quote:

“Give me control over a planets currency, and I care not who makes its laws”
We were also talking about the Amero... friends said they heard it had been released in Canada, not sure what their source was per I don't remember...can anyone confirm or deny this up there?

So the conversation went on to the NWO coming to full blown out there in 2015 by I think it was Lyndsey Williams,(not sure if that is source either)... Would the AMERO be a counter by some faction within to try and block the BRICS?!

so then came up how our military is supposedly down sizing, which brings up the Pay to Play mercenaires of the BlackWater etc... variety... not loyal to anyone but themselves.

Read today about robots serving fast food and doing something else along the lines of productivity... Makes the movie I ROBOT come to mind... Laura Engram keeps hitting on Imigration, hell what about creation of the bots to take jobs.

they put you on the $50

http://kickthemallout.com/images/Photos/Amero_50.jpg
link (http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Story-Amero_USAs_New_Currency)

"I don't know how real these Amero notes are. A while ago there was a lot of hoopla over "proof" of an Amero coin that turned out to be produced by a private company as a collector item. You can actually go online and buy them right now if you'd like here (http://www.dc-coin.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=8)..."

Billy

23rd May 2014, 21:03

"Russia's very angry at the US and Europe for the hypocrisy that they have shown in the Ukraine,"
says Gordon Duff of Veterans Today. So they have revealed a secret, about the Israelis:
"They are accused of being guilty of nuclear proliferation" (passing on US weapons)...
and: "Storing nuclear weapons in Israeli Embassies."

I have a sense that Russia could tell America much more about its own history, than what has come through in the corporate controlled press. Are they now threatening TPTB that they will do just that - Tell the Truth - if the US squeezes it too hard in the Ukraine? This looks to be like another move in the big chess game that is going on.

Is it just me that does not get this. Why has Russia not revealed this before now. why now 13yrs later.

To me this sounds like a dysfunctional family feud where one brother has secretly been very naughty(USA) and the other brother knows (RUSSIA) and now the naughty brother is trying to steal the other brother toys. (UKRAINE) Now he runs off to tell Momma (The World) that his brother has secretly been naughty.

In the meantime because of the psychopathic dysfunctional families, the people continue to suffer.

Stop playing games Russia, If you have the truth and evidence, set it free.

peace.

Rocky_Shorz

23rd May 2014, 21:17

I think it has to do with the Central Bank being set up in Ukraine to suck the country dry by the Rothschild vampire network...

Net&Yahoo went to meet with Russia to say hey, it isn't us...

This is Russia's way of saying... stop lying

ThePythonicCow

23rd May 2014, 22:01

Is it just me that does not get this. Why has Russia not revealed this before now. why now 13yrs later.

To me this sounds like a dysfunctional family feud where one brother has secretly been very naughty(USA) and the other brother knows (RUSSIA) and now the naughty brother is trying to steal the other brother toys. (UKRAINE) Now he runs off to tell Momma (The World) that his brother has secretly been naughty.

In the meantime because of the psychopathic dysfunctional families, the people continue to suffer.

Stop playing games Russia, If you have the truth and evidence, set it free.

peace.

No nation is an independent player in this "game". They are pawns.

Now is the time for the US to pull back from its Asian/Muslim wars and instead to collapse economically and blame Russia and China for it.

Now the US is withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. Now (just a couple years ago) it was time to "kill" Osama bin Laden. Now (this last year) has been time to make the NSA into a villain. Now is time to begin to make the Anglo-American banksters into villains. Now is the time to turn American patriots against their government, dividing Americans along that fault line. Now is the time to unite American truthers behind a damning report of the real 9/11, dividing Americans along yet another fault line.

New fault lines are being ripped open, while old ones are being papered over.

Rocky_Shorz

23rd May 2014, 22:12

http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/italy-911.jpg?w=440

The 9/11 attacks were a global state terror operation permitted by the administration of the USA, which had foreknowledge of the operation yet remained intentionally unresponsive in order to make war against Afghanistan and Iraq.

To put it briefly, the 9/11 events were an instance of the strategy of tension enacted by political and economic powers in the USA to seek advantages for the oil and arms industries.Italy too was a victim of the “strategia della tensione” of the CIA, enacted in Italy from the time of the Portella della Ginestra massacre in Sicily in 1947 until 1993.There is much evidence of this strategy, both circumstantial and scientific.The reports of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), November 20, 2005, set forth the following conclusions... link (http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/12/31/bilderberg-mafia-calls-emergency-meeting-in-rome-italy-facebook-purges-on-the-tail-of-italy-supreme-court-submission-of-u-s-911-crimes-to-the-international-criminal-tribunal/)

Further circumstantial evidence against Tenet and Wilshire is the following. On July 12, 2001 Osama bin Laden was in American Hospital in Dubai. He was visited by a CIA agent. This information was given to Le Figaro, which also reported that bin Laden had been operated on in this hospital, having arrived from Quetta, Pakistan.

Recognizing that such grave crimes threaten the peace, security and the well being of the world,
Affirming that the most serious crimes of concern to the international community as a whole must not go unpunished and that their effective prosecution must be ensured by taking measures at the national level and by enhancing international cooperation,
Determined to put an end to impunity for the perpetrators of these crimes and
thus to contribute to the prosecution of such crimes,
Recalling that the duty of every state to exercise its jurisdiction over those
responsible for international crimes, … link (http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/12/31/bilderberg-mafia-calls-emergency-meeting-in-rome-italy-facebook-purges-on-the-tail-of-italy-supreme-court-submission-of-u-s-911-crimes-to-the-international-criminal-tribunal/)

I was just sent the link to the Bilderberg Mafia Doc http://www.scribd.com/doc/138038138/Bilderberg-Group-A-Political-Mafia

GuyFox

23rd May 2014, 22:30

CONNECT just two dots - and ponder

WHY - were these guys happy and dancing?
(And HOW did they know to make preparations ahead of time "to document the event"?)
(1)
97ImPcb4keY

(2)
This guy owned 9/11 and broke a long and consistent habit of having breakfast at the WTC
on just one day - the morning of 9/11:
9ScGZCqEyGM

(this was written a few days after 9/11 - and not by Larry Silverstein):

THE TOWER

I used to work in the World Trade Center, North Tower. I remember
the long walk through the dark and crowded shopping maze and the
sudden emergence into a world of light. The real triumph of the building
was that it was so incredibly massive and yet when one stood at its foot,
awaiting transport upwards, there was a feeling of weightlessness.
The light and space around the elevators imbued one with a sense
of wonder. What joys were to be found at higher levels, when one felt
so airy on the ground?

The upwards journey came in stages, first to a landing half way up and
then a change of elevators for the final leg. The work-a-day trip on an
ordinary day would end on a large office, unremarkable apart from the
view. The occasional journey to the restaurant at the very top,
“Windows on the World” was a special treat, with the city laid out
as if in a dream, a monopoly board of buildings stretching along gray
roadways towards the breathing green of Central Park. People were
dots, too small to be seen as human. Cars and the inevitable traffic
jams in the distance were the sole connection to that mundane world
that had been left behind. Here one was truly a master of life, with a
god-like view of the world. The American dream realised.

I’ve been haunted the past few nights with brief but reocurring
nightmares. I can see myself in that old WTC office, surrounded by
desks and files. Strangely there are no people around. A passenger
jet appears as a speck and grows into a giant. Not surprising to see
an aircraft with Newark airport and JFK nearby. But this one flies
strangely. And as it grows in size it becomes a bird of prey. My
eyes widen and a cyclone of fear spirals from my gut as I see it
zoom into… Mercifully, it ends there. I am spared the unspeakable.

The other image that I have seen is from a distance. That tower
of magnificence, in a cloud of gray and black smoke. A rumbling
sound which I feel before I hear. Then the world collapses. The walls
undulate like a sheet in the wind and the skies rain debris of
unimaginable variety. The tower slides slowly into the earth,
retreating into a subterranean abode, shedding its gray reptilian
skin as it goes.

These visions are without people. My nightmare is sparing me the
human tragedy, which is beyond what I can contemplate or express.
My heart stretches into a dry throat when I try to understand the
suffering of those gone and those left behind. I will leave that for
others with better words and better hearts and less haunted.

ThePythonicCow

23rd May 2014, 22:42

The 9/11 attacks were a global state terror operation permitted by the administration of the USA, which had foreknowledge of the operation yet remained intentionally unresponsive in order to make war against Afghanistan and Iraq.
...
link (http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/12/31/bilderberg-mafia-calls-emergency-meeting-in-rome-italy-facebook-purges-on-the-tail-of-italy-supreme-court-submission-of-u-s-911-crimes-to-the-international-criminal-tribunal/)
That's from this American Free Press article of December 2007 (http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/9-11_solved118.html).

What's been added with this latest Russian leak to Gordon Duff are a variety of important details, such as how the towers were destroyed using small nukes, and how the Israeli nuclear program relied on getting nukes from the US rather than on its own somewhat broken reactor at Dimona.

GuyFox

23rd May 2014, 23:33

HIGHLIGHTS - to save people reading through dozens of comments

> http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/too-classified-to-publish-bush-nuclear-piracy-exposed/

(Top Comments on VT):
Gordon Duff · Top Commenter
This is the first real break we have had with 9/11...where an intelligence agency has laid it all out and named names.
· 9 · May 20 at 7:21pm
==
Kamaya Chauhan · New Delhi, India
Good effort Gordon Duff... This article has revealed many things which the USA citizens and the world was not knowing about. I think bad time of USA has been started. Now people are coming out with facts. Where on one side USA voices much loud about global disarmament while on the other side it is actually the factor of all the destruction done and further waiting to be. It was the state who actually supported Israel for the procurement of its nuclear weapons program and now it is having issues regarding Iran's nuclear capability. This is actually the true face of Bush administration who has always been in mouthing big things but practically he did nothing except bringing the world at dangerous edge.
==
Howard Lewis · Top Commenter · University of Washington
Where did you find this stuff???
So Bush41 as Ambassador to the United Nations signed off on the original basement nuke based demolition system as installed by the team of U.S./U.S.S.R. technicians AND Bush41 acted as the kunt who provided the access by which these mininukes were loaded in WTCs I and II (and elsewhere) to obtain a state-of-the-art demolition, for the same reasons and for the same established and planned results. Building 7 appears to have used the original preset. 7's design and structure was traditional post and beam, and therefore dropped like most other condemned buildings only wired during construction. WTCs I and II were much more mass/volume efficient as cubical 'airplane wing' like structures.
By late 2000, the aluminum siding was falling off, right on schedule, and demolition bids had been submitted for the 2007 deadline, and it was time to light the sacrifice to Molloch.
Silverfish knew they had to come down. The purchase was for a long planned insurance fraud on his part, and for different major reasons for his confederates. Hundreds of billions of dollars in scrip and a deceptive and false cause for genocide and war.
Reply ·
· 6 · May 20 at 5:23pm
==
South Asian Voices
Israel’s involvement in the 9/11 attacks and the possibility that it might have been a false flag operation with the objective of laying the groundwork to attack Afghanistan, Iraq and other Muslim nations are among the most popular theories which the members of 9/11 Truth Movement have proposed. It all points to Israel. The American public needs to understand that the entire history of this State is rooted in racism, terror, racial genocide, theft, and False Flag Operations. Look at the King David Hotel Bombing in Jerusalem in 1947; Deir Yassin; the Lavon Affair; Israel’s deliberate attack on the USS Liberty on June 8th, 1967; the Pollard spy case and the subsequent AIPAC, Ben-Ami, and Stewart Nozette spy cases. Your readers and viewers need regular acquaintance with a resource like Grant Smith’s The Israel Lobby Archive, for the Institute of Research: Middle Eastern Policy where these topics are concerned. This is clearly a State that would have no hesitation to pull off a False Flag operation in New York on September 11, 2011, if they felt it benefited them, as Benjamin Netanyahu himself has stated it did. He said the day after 9/11 that [where Israel's interest is concerned], “It’s very good.” He also stated that “We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq. . . . these events swung American public opinion in our favor.”
· 9 · May 20 at 11:41pm
==
jake gittes (also a poster here? I think)
May 20, 2014 - 8:56 pm
This is a HUGE STORY. There seems to be a tidal wave of truth building at unprecedented levels. Combined with Kevin Barrett’s:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/19/truthseeker/
and Cara St. Louis’:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/19/happily-walking-the-plank-2/
...the true enemies of humanity are in the cross-hairs and there seems to be nowhere for them to hide. These cretins deserve to be incinerated into ash like the three towers. No justice, no peace.
==
Anony-Mouse (deleted)
I am not sure of the official name of this painting by Francis Bacon:

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/Vn/pope-francis-bacon-09-lg.jpg
What's this? Is it a person in the electric chair, or something else?
Will 9/11 Truth ever come to that sort of extreme "end-point"?
And if so, who will get the chairs?
(Too early to answer this, but maybe not too early to ask important new questions.)

Carmody

24th May 2014, 01:55

(Deleted.)

Instead, a substitute post:

June 1992 interview with the late Sarah McClendon, the grand dame of the White House press corps at the time.

Sarah McClendon: "What will the people do if they ever find out the truth about Iraq-gate and Iran contra?

George H.W. Bush: "Sarah, if the American people ever find out what we have done, they will chase us down the streets and lynch us."

Now that it is 2014 and many more a lie has been floated down the river, many millions more are dead...and countries corrupted, enslaved, destroyed...and a world damaged beyond all repair...

What say you now?

ghostrider

24th May 2014, 03:28

GuyFox

24th May 2014, 03:53

I spoke with a friend about 911 and made this statement , Who would benefit most from a world super power going full on battle with Islamic countries ??? You should have seen the lights go on in his mind ... The U.S. shrank the Islam war machine making it easier for Israel to make War against Arab countries . while the U.S. used the opportunity to pass sweeping anti-freedom laws and no one blinked ... oh we have to make you safe , we need to take your freedoms to make you safe from the boogie man ... Kinda strange that 911 happened and there has been NO other big attacks ... Norad didn't help , Spying didn't help , Drones didn't help , Intelligence didn't help , I say we no longer need the CIA , Norad , Drones , or Spying ... it's a waste of money ...

Exactly :: Cui bono : Who Benefits ?

And in case anyone missed THIS from above, I will repeat it:

http://endthelie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Israeli-PM-Netanyahu.jpg

Benjamin Netanyahu himself has stated it did.
He said the day after 9/11 that [where Israel's interest is concerned],
“It’s very good.” He also stated that “We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq. . . . these events swung American public opinion in our favor.”

It is almost as if a War is being fought, and the US was tricked into supporting the wrong side. Now, years later, people are waking up - and asking the questions they should have asked back in 2001. (Meantime, we worry that the same guys may have more "tricks" up their sleeves. But we are now far better at spotting them, and disarming them before they can do damage.)

"What say you now?"

Well, maybe we should say what they say when Pubs hit closing time in Britain:
"TIME ! Gentlemen, it's Time." (to stop drinking the Kool-Aide, and believing old lies)

GuyFox

24th May 2014, 04:45

I think readers will like this soundbite / from Jay Widener in an interview w/ Patrick Timpone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26WwXDV1Cmw)

"The only ones who call Conspiracies "theories", are the Conspirators."

Feed THAT one back into the Lamestream media shills !

araucaria

24th May 2014, 05:53

araucaria

24th May 2014, 06:00

I am not sure of the official name of this painting by Francis Bacon:

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/Vn/pope-francis-bacon-09-lg.jpg
What's this? Is it a person in the electric chair, or something else?
Will 9/11 Truth ever come to that sort of extreme "end-point"?
And if so, who will get the chairs?
(Too early to answer this, but maybe not too early to ask important new questions.)

Bacon’s screaming pope is called Study after Velazquez's Portrait of Pope Innocent X. See here: http://fr.phaidon.com/agenda/art/articles/2013/february/08/the-truth-behind-francis-bacons-screaming-popes/
Reference to the son-father relationship is certinaly interesting in terms of Daddy Bush and little George.

ThePythonicCow

24th May 2014, 07:46

This theory of Israeli nukes is a very satisfying Occam’s-razor, strong adequacy type of scenario in terms of the overall picture as to the who and the why, but it needs to explain ALL the physical evidence as well. Judy Woods has a checklist of 43 items that all need accounting for.
No, this theory need not explain all the damage, such as that reported by Judy Wood.

Rather clearly other, additional, means of destruction were used. Witness, for example, the two "airplane" collisions. Witness, for example, the many reports of bombs and damage in the buildings, below the point of the "airplane" collisions, all the way to the basement levels, between the time of these "airplane" collisions and the final destruction.

Rather clearly, they (whoever they are) threw a whole bunch of cr*p against the wall, to ensure the destruction of whatever they were targeting, and the confusion of, and terror in, of all surviving observers.

Keep in mind, also, that nuclear explosions produce more exotic energy effects than we serfs of public learning are told of. Judy Wood is a meticulous reporter of what she can see, and a former professor of mechanical engineering, but I've not seen good evidence that she is a strong student of the more exotic, but not for public consumption, effects of nuclear explosions. Strange effects similar to those seen by John Hutchison in his lab and shown to Judy Wood are also seen in tornado's and after atomic bomb explosions.

===

We are still being played here. There is a hidden hand, behind the Bush/Cheney administration (and any other US President at least since JFK), behind the WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein, behind Marvin Bush (brother of "W" and head of WTC security in the months leading up to 9/11), behind the Nazi's, neocons, and neo-Nazi's, behind the CIA, behind Israel, behind Philip Zelikow, behind Roland Carnaby (http://www.amfirstbooks.com/IntroPages/ToolBarTopics/Articles/Featured_Authors/fox,_william_b/Fox_works/Fox_books/Mission_of_Conscience/B-3/MC-30_The_Mayday_Alert_and_Assassination_of_Roland_Carnaby.html) (the CIA agent handling nuclear shipments to Israel, who was assassinated in Houston), behind all the evident participants, even behind Putin and his releasing now of this intelligence report.

Putin is likely a more substantial participant in this grand game than Obama, but either of them would go the way of JFK (and so many others, both famous and anonymous) if they stepped too far out of line. Russia likely fell under the control of the hidden hand with the fall of the last Tsar, Nicholas II, in the Russian revolution of 1917.

China's willing participation in many of the grand affairs (political, monetary, economic, ...) of recent times indicates to me that they too are controlled by this hidden hand, likely since Chinese Communist leader Mao Zedong declared the creation of the People’s Republic of China (PRC) on October 1, 1949.

===

Perhaps it is not just a coincidence that both the CIA and the Jesuits are known, internally to their members, as "the company". Perhaps it is of great historical significance that Pope Francis is the first Jesuit ever to sit on Saint Peter’s throne at the Vatican. Perhaps it is not an accident that the Vatican is now leading the public discussion, by high officials, of how the Church, and humanity, might engage alien life forms of high intelligence. Some lower level or now retired officials of major national governments are mentioning this, but only at the Vatican is the top man speaking openly of such, now (Pope Francis would welcome Martians to the church (May 13, 2014, RT.COM) (http://rt.com/news/158640-pope-francis-baptize-aliens/).)

===

In a letter sent on November 4, 1816 (http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/69/Letter_from_John_Adams_to_Thomas_Jefferson_1.html), from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson (they both died, several days by horseback from each other, on July 4, 1826, the 50th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence), Adams wrote to his long standing compatriot:

=========

My History of the Jesuits is in four volumes in twelves, under the title of "Histoire Generate de la Naissance el des Progres de la Compagnie de Jesus, et l'Analyse de ses Constitutions et ses Privileges" printed at Amsterdam in 1761. The work is anonymous, because, as I suppose, the author was afraid, as all the monarchs of Europe were, at that time, of Jesuitical assassination. The author, however, supports his facts by authentic records and known authorities which the public may consult. This society has been a greater calamity to mankind than the French Revolution, or Napoleon's despotism or ideology. It has obstructed the progress of reformation and the improvement of the human mind in society much longer and more fatally.
=========

ThePythonicCow

24th May 2014, 08:02

What say you now?
Go, go Tim Duncan and San Antonio (http://msn.foxsports.com/southwest/story/spurs-2-0-lead-over-thunder-nothing-like-2012-west-finals-052214) !!

araucaria

24th May 2014, 10:26

<b>
...</b>We are still being played here. There is a hidden hand
<b>
...
===

Perhaps it is not just a coincidence that both the CIA and the Jesuits are known, internally to their members, as "the company". Perhaps it is of great historical significance that Pope Francis is the first Jesuit ever to sit on Saint Peter’s throne at the Vatican. Perhaps it is not an accident that the Vatican is now leading the public discussion, by high officials, of how the Church, and humanity, might engage alien life forms of high intelligence. Some lower level or now retired officials of major national governments are mentioning this, but only at the Vatican is the top man speaking openly of such, now (Pope Francis would welcome Martians to the church (May 13, 2014, RT.COM) (http://rt.com/news/158640-pope-francis-baptize-aliens/).)
</b>
Paul, your hidden hand with its vicelike grip would suggest that the situation is just as hopeless as before. The presence of evidence that is not explainable in terms of the theory, albeit as a smokescreen, does not just sow confusion and terror: it is going to make any case unsustainable before a court of law. The only way of dealing with these criminals would then be lynch law, supposing them to be even remotely approachable. I personally am not too happy with that.

The ‘hidden hand’ notion is also a blanket term that needs to be broken down, especially when taken to a level where all parties would be ultimately working for the same side. Just as Al Qaeda is an invented criminal syndicate that could build up a reputation by claiming responsibility for the misdeeds of any and every lone nutcase, ‘the Jesuits’ I would call the religious wing of Al Qaeda. This is the type of thinking that gives conspiracy theory a bad name (I am not referring to you personally, Paul): saying ‘it all fits in’ when ‘it is all grist to the mill’ would be a more appropriate assessment. The facts of 911 do not all fit in, so whatever doesn’t is attributed to the hidden hand – in French we say ‘on ne prête qu’aux riches’, meaning things are always ascribed to those with previous.

These leads to viewing everything in monolithic terms. One pope/president/royal is like all the others, otherwise he would not be pope/president/royal. Whereas, it seems to me, the power struggle is on every level. If you take Niall Kilkenny’s page at http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-papal-assassins.html it is a caricature, with no more than a few quotes from sources who do not see eye to eye (Malachi Martin and Avro Manhattan), in reverse chronological order, where assassination attempts are mixed in with actual assassinations, and one pope is called Ronald Reagan; and the bottom line is that Jesuits like killing popes, with the exception of ‘good’ Pope John XXIII.

Take this section:

Here is another quote from Jesuit author Malachi Martin:

"On the basis of Paul VI's critical dossier, and with the help of a very experienced old Jesuit, Father Paolo Dezza, who had been Confessor to Pope Paul VI and now was John Paul I's confessor, the Pope composed a hard-hitting speech of warning. He planned to deliver it to the international assembly of Jesuit leaders and Father General Arrupe at another of their General Congregations to be held in Rome on September 30, 1978.
One of the striking features of his speech was John Paul I's repeated reference to doctrinal deviations on the part of Jesuits. "Let it not happen that the teachings and publications of Jesuits contain anything to cause confusion among the faithful." Doctrinal deviation was for him the most ominous symptom of Jesuit failure.
Veiled beneath the polished veneer of its graceful romanita, that speech contained a clear threat: the Society would return to its proper and assigned role, or the Pope would be forced to take action.
What action? From John Paul's memoranda and notes, it is clear that, unless a speedy reform of the Order proved feasible, he had in mind the effective liquidation of the Society of Jesus as it is today—perhaps to be reconstituted later in a more manageable form. John Paul I had received the petitions of many Jesuits, pleading with him to do just that.
The Pope never delivered that speech of warning. On the morning of September 29, after thirty-three days on the Throne of Peter, and one day before he was to address the Society's General Congregation, John Paul I was found dead in bed." (Martin, The Jesuits, p. 44). The sentence I would pick out from this is ‘John Paul I had received the petitions of many Jesuits, pleading with him to do just that.’ In other words, Martin, himself a Jesuit, is saying that Jesuitism, or at least its most influential section, ain’t what it used to be and that Ignatius of Loyola's vision has strayed on account of various worldly influences (e.g. Marxism, New Age). In that case, it made no sense for Marxists to kill a pope who on his last day of life said, ‘It is the inalienable right of no man to accumulate wealth beyond his needs while other men starve to death because they have nothing’.

I call this caricature because, on the basis of the flimsiest evidence, there is one simple mantra: ‘the Jesuits did it!’ and to maintain this position the author inadvertently admits that Jesuitism per se is not responsible, but merely therefore a cover used by certain individuals, who need to be named. There are plenty of named names in the 400 pages of Lucien Gregoire’s Murder in the Vatican: The CIA and the Bolshevik Pontiff, which quotes a wealth of evidence to join many dots relating to upwards of thirty killings or attempted killings, showing the scale of the power struggle going on, and how, for example, ‘the same constituency of cardinals elected a liberal in one election and just a few weeks later elected a conservative’ (in 1978, Gregoire, p.367). No hidden hand here. Some of these popes were fighting against their visionary predecessors, like John XXIII, who denounced the ‘Fatima cult’ of Pius XII, ‘making up stories to lead the world into a third world war [1955] (…) He told a reporter, “…If we are to have a true church, it must be built on truth, not one built on myth”’ (Gregoire, p.10).

ThePythonicCow

24th May 2014, 13:43

[ Snippets quoted ] Paul, your hidden hand with its vicelike grip would suggest that the situation is just as hopeless as before.
The presence of evidence that is not explainable in terms of the theory, albeit as a smokescreen, does not just sow confusion and terror:
it is going to make any case unsustainable before a court of law.
The only way of dealing with these criminals would then be lynch law
‘the Jesuits’ I would call the religious wing of Al Qaeda. This is the type of thinking that gives conspiracy theory a bad name
These leads to viewing everything in monolithic terms.
One pope/president/royal is like all the others, otherwise he would not be pope/president/royal.
Whereas, it seems to me, the power struggle is on every level.
If you take Niall Kilkenny’s page at http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-papal-assassins.html it is a caricature
I call this caricature because, on the basis of the flimsiest evidence, there is one simple mantra: ‘the Jesuits did it!’

The light and dark swirl eternally. Awareness is an essential basis for guiding our efforts in support of either, depending on how that awareness is used. Do not dismiss awareness on account of there being no apparent hope of perfected victory of either light or dark. Perfection is hopeless, at least in this life. More likely, the swirl is the only constant, at every level, and perfected victory of half of the swirl over the other half a false god.

The responsibility to gain awareness and to use that awareness for good is never removed from our shoulders. The hopelessness of perfection is no excuse.

The presence of evidence unexplainable by a theory does not render that theory useless. It is the nature of theories to be incomplete (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoedelsIncompletenessTheorem.html). It's simply absurd to proclaim that such incompleteness categorically sows "confusion and terror"

This is not a court of law, and I doubt that whatever present day courts would accept as evidence or argument would provide us much insight.

Calling Jesuits (founded in 1540) the religious wing of Al Quaeda (founded circa 1989) does indeed give conspiracy theory a bad name ... I am at loss as to why you would do that <grin>.

Monolithic and polylithic explanations also swirl eternally. Both are forever imperfect, but both can provide useful insight (and dangerous delusion, often in the same explanation.)

I have not read Niall Kilkenny, so I will not comment on the quality of his work.

I make no claim to present even one-tenth of one-percent of suitable evidence. I only suggest, in a few words, a common theme that the humble reader might find useful in their own search for evidence and awareness. Whether they will find this common theme to be flimsy or useful is for them to determine.

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P.S. -- I would encourage the reader to return to the quote at the bottom of my previous post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71634-Russia-and-VT-point-the-Finger-for-9-11-Did-the-Israelies-plant-nukes-in-the-towers-Nuke-cancer-in-victims.&p=837674&viewfull=1#post837674), from the letter that John Adams wrote to Thomas Jefferson, in 1816.

GuyFox

24th May 2014, 14:59

"Blame the Jesuits!" / Ignore the Israelis

Hmm?
Has Karen Hudes somehow grabbed control of this thread?
I was raised as a Catholic, and even spent a year at a catholic school run by the Christian Brothers of Ireland. I saw some odd things, but I did not immediately lose my religion. I kept it intact for several more years.

In history, we have plenty of plots by the Jesuits, and they may, or may not, be an "invisible hand" pulling some strings on the Zio-bankers. But I do not think it is very easy to fight a foe you cannot see. I think it is more fruitful to focus on evil and evil-doers whose acts are all too apparent.

But in doing that, we must be careful not to simply blame all people of the Jewish religion - I know too many fine people of that background to consider going there. Many (even most) are also victims of Zionist plotting.

ThePythonicCow

24th May 2014, 15:38

"Blame the Jesuits!" / Ignore the Israelis
No - blame the Jesuits - and certain Israelis, Mossad, CIA, Silverstein, the Bushes, Zelikow, Cheney, Tenet, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Zakheim, and so forth and so on (http://www.whodidit.org/cocon.html).

GuyFox

24th May 2014, 16:11

Okay.
I can see those ON YOUR LIST, better than I can see some unnamed Jesuits.
But if you have evidence, I am open to it.

ThePythonicCow

24th May 2014, 16:42

Okay.
I can see those ON YOUR LIST, better than I can see some unnamed Jesuits.
But if you have evidence, I am open to it.

Yes - the Jesuits are (in my present view) a hidden hand :).

Rocky_Shorz

24th May 2014, 16:47

someone has reached in and shut off my wifi adapter twice now since this thread began, just to let me know they are watching...

where is the pants down moon smiley... ;)

Nine

25th May 2014, 06:03

A very interesting post over on What Really Happened...

A hit piece on Gordon Duffs latest articles on 9/11....

Its just my personal opinion but after 9/11 the American psy- war started in Ernest and the Internets purpose is to provide the cover for those attacks....I mean endless speculation upon the matter....

I believe every thing including the kitchen sink was thrown at us on that day and I personally believe that nuclear weapons were used that day and thinking about occums razzor......I mean really a DEW?

Such tech exists I believe but the problem even if it were used on 9/11 is that no court will even allow it in evidence so what I believe VT is up to is building a case for a future time of possible prosecutions and of course I wish them God speed....

And to what really happened's site they posted this:

http://www.bollyn.com/#article_14718

And an article debunking Duff's report by Chris Bollyn....

He got an interview on CNN a few years ago They ignore Gordon Duff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB6nDk_FEBs

The internet is both curse and blessing....

I have a bicycle race in the morning...

Bless you all....

Nine

GuyFox

25th May 2014, 07:05

Thanks for the Link to that video:

bB6nDk_FEBs
I have posted this there:

"Surprised?
That must be CNN's "official policy".
How can they be surprised? If you ask the question: Who benefits?
It leads straight to the Zionists, who have even admitted 9/11 was "Good for Israel."
Who does this newsreader think are the Real enemies of the country?
If Mossad was behind 9/11, wouldn't that make them a more dangerous enemy than those were are constantly told are enemies."

Paula Zahn now looks incredibly naive in the role she played in this silly broadcast from 2007.
I am disgusted that the MSM gives the Zionists in the broadcast a protected platform for their propaganda, and doesn't make any attempt to provide a genuine balance. The whole purpose of it seems to be to discredit Christopher Bollyn's views. (They love labelling people they disagree with as "anti-semitic" - When you hear that word you should immediately respond "that's a codeword for anyone who is critical of Jewish supremacy".)

Here's Bollyn being allowed to present his own views with less interference in a 2012 conversation with Jeff Rense:

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Thanks for bringing Bollyn's negative reaction to Gordon Duff's piece into this discussion.
EXCERPT
"The Duff article, which was edited by Jim W. Dean, is so full of errors that it cannot be taken seriously, except perhaps as evidence of his role as a agent of disinformation about 9-11. With this in mind, I wrote to Mr. Duff on May 23 to ask him why he had published this piece..."
It is worth reading the rest.
- See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/#article_14718

Gordon Duff says, in part:
"You have to admit that i have taken on more "risk" and been more confrontive than all combined. I do this, to an extent, because I am not entirely without some protecting and backing.

If you really think I can be "gotten to," you have not been paying attention. you are attacking my analysis through a bizarre personal accusation not only without foundation but almost irrational.

do this: prove me wrong. show me a nanothermite factory. get me people who have handled tons of it. show me how it was applied and used."

araucaria

25th May 2014, 07:28

I believe every thing including the kitchen sink was thrown at us on that day and I personally believe that nuclear weapons were used that day and thinking about occums razzor......I mean really a DEW?

Such tech exists I believe but the problem even if it were used on 9/11 is that no court will even allow it in evidence so what I believe VT is up to is building a case for a future time of possible prosecutions and of course I wish them God speed....

Yes, we need due process in this matter. A foreign leader’s sayso is not good enough. Anything Putin may allege – well he would say that, wouldn’t he? He’s a Nazi after all (Charles Windsor). We are talking about criminal proceedings, not politics. And this means sifting with all the evidence, and being able to deal with all the counter-evidence that comes back at you from the defense. Certainly not everything will be explainable, but arrival at a verdict involves looking at all the detail, including what, how, who and why in that order. This is the painstaking forensic approach correctly adopted by Judy Wood:

The order of crime solving is to determine
1) WHAT happened, then
2) HOW it happened (e.g. by what weapon), then
3) WHO did it. And only then can we address
4) WHY they did it (i.e. motive).

Let us remember what is required to convict someone of a crime. You cannot convict someone of a crime based on belief. You cannot convict someone of a crime if you don’t even know what crime to charge them with. If you accuse someone of murder using a gun, you’d better be sure the body has a bullet hole in it. (Where Did the Towers Go?, p. xxxi)

This is the logical order of prosecution, not necessarily the chronological order of investigation. More progress has been made over the years on 3) and 4), and what we are seeing now is progress being made establishing 1) and 2). Starting with 3) has its disadvantages, whether it be the (deliberately) mistaken incrimination of Bin Laden or the correct finger-pointing at ‘we all know who they are’. Going back to 1) What happened? has to include both the failure to open an investigation and treat the crime scene as such, and the media circus that took place instead. But most of all, a proper independent investigation has to be carried out which would also include what remaining physical evidence is available, things such as duly documented dust samples.

The How? is also crucial because the availability of the weapon to the suspect up to and including fingerprints on the gun establishes the link between the culprit and the crime. You can have too much of a good thing such as when a ‘suicide’ has multiple fatal head wounds. Alternatively it can become too difficult to prove when you allege a secret weapons program using methods beyond the state-of-the-art arsenal. This difficulty is now being avoided. On the other hand, the possible effective use of this kind of weaponry complicates the situation inasmuch as the prosecution may not need it or may want to ignore it, but the defense can very well call upon this evidence (while of course believably disclaiming the possession of any such technology), which would then be presented as ‘overkill’, just like the suicide’s impossible gun wounds.

This is not how I see the hidden hand intervening. The hidden hand concept also comprises a force for good acting in ways unknown through persons unknown, and this is probably one of the best opportunities they are going to get to do whatever it takes to get this done. I have written elsewhere about how the fall of the Iron Curtain just came about through no particular action by no particular person when all the politicians momentarily stepped back. That is the sort of ‘event’ I see happening here.

GuyFox

25th May 2014, 07:54

Interesting comment, Araucaria.

But what do we do, when the people whose JOB it is to solve the crime, have a vested interest in making an official story stick, because the Truth might be dangerous to a powerful elite?

Those working on the case, as independent investigators do not have full access to the information (much has been hidden or destroyed.) Nor do they have unlimited resources to conduct an investigation.

I think Chris Bollyn has done a magnificent job (over 10 years) of piecing the story together, and his conclusion is the same as Duff has pointed to: Mossad did it.

The differences they have is on HOW?
In the article referenced above, he points out certain important details that Gordon Duff appears to have wrong. So maybe GD's How is not fully convincing. I will need to read CB's book before I can say that his explanation of HOW is more convincing.

Rocky_Shorz

25th May 2014, 08:32

I was checking out Neutron bomb explosions...

http://tizona.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/atomic-explosion-1.jpg

http://www.henrymakow.com/dennis3.jpghttp://www.henrymakow.com/dennis41.jpg
link (http://www.henrymakow.com/911_-_nukes_caused_this_devast.html)
"There are only two events known to cause ground-hugging pyroclastic flows (pictured above).

A volcanic eruption

A thermo nuclear detonation"

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQDdHcLkPgq6PLpzGrQOUKypE-1g3W9u7EJ0bKe1K0a78SnBn2c

http://www.henrymakow.com/Dennis21.jpghttp://www.henrymakow.com/dennis1.jpg

http://www.henrymakow.com/dennis10.jpg

"All of these cars have unexplainable similar damage: Paint gone, instant rusting, and all of their door handles and engine blocks are missing!" - link (http://www.henrymakow.com/911_-_nukes_caused_this_devast.html#sthash.mvq6ZszJ.dpuf)

ThePythonicCow

25th May 2014, 13:54

The differences they have is on HOW?
In the article referenced above, he points out certain important details that Gordon Duff appears to have wrong. So maybe GD's How is not fully convincing. I will need to read CB's book before I can say that his explanation of HOW is more convincing.
The "errors" that I notice Chris Bollyn point out:

Gordon Duff is a disinformation agent -- Bollyn opens with a vicious ad hominem attack on Duff, which immediately causes me to doubt Bollyn's intentions.
The WTC core steel was box beams, not I beams -- minor detail, perhaps just a simple translation error from the Russian.
The radio tower did not dustify -- As best as I can tell, Bollyn is correct. I suspect that there is confusion between the radio tower that mostly survived the destruction and the "spire" (a core column beam) that did dustify:
https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/911blimp.net_images_spireDisintegrates.jpg
Nano-thermite versus nukes versus exotic energy weapons -- the most important aspect of the "How" discussion.

I observe that both Bollyn and Duff are accusing Israeli/Mossad/Zionist agents of playing a key role in 9/11, so neither one of them is protecting that faction. Good :).

But the highly energetic "debate" (more often resembling slander) over the issue of thermite versus nukes versus exotic energy weapons gives me a big clue that someone is protecting something.

Let me explore that in more detail, after first stating, for the record, my impressions of whom I trust more or less.
Presently, the one I trust the least in this (outside of government officials and main stream media, of course) is Professor Steven E. Jones, the one best known for saying that thermite destroyed the towers. I find Judy Wood's critique of Jones, in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEWaV5JXRpo), to be compelling and damning. My personal "gut sense" reaction to Jones is negative and untrusting. I have seen nothing of substance to counteract Wood's critique or my gut sense.

Regarding Judy Wood, I trust her eyes, her integrity, her research skills, and her ability to anaylze visual evidence. I don't consider her to be an expert on exotic energy technology or weaponized nuclear bomb technology, nor on the "politics" of who did 9/11.

By his own admission (see here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59653-Secret-Space-War-II-Preston-James-of-Veterans-Today&p=681819#post681819)) Gordon Duff and his Veterans Today website present a lot of "interesting" stuff, some good and some disinfo.

Of late, I have tended to trust the anti-American leaks coming from Putin and those working for him, even though I know that Putin is a cold-blooded KGB agent who could gut me as quick as a bear he shot (quicker, as my hide is thinner). Apparently, Putin has assumed the task of assaulting the credibility of the Anglo-American empire ... a target rich environment if ever there was one. He has little or no prior credibility with his audience for this assault, so he can ill afford to make a significant mistake, nor are circumstances likely to force him into such a mistake.
Now, back to the thermite question.

T. Mark Hightower and Jim Fetzer (Fetzer is a member of Avalon, albeit seldom active here) have (in my view) debunked the thermite hypothesis quite thoroughly in this article: Nanothermite: If It Doesn’t Fit, You Must Acquit! (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/27/nanothermite-if-it-doesnt-fit-you-must-acquit/). The key details are that thermitic materials are not high explosives (too slow) and they are not sufficiently energy dense (too weak.) Whatever it was that dustified the towers produced massive amounts of energy, very fast, and at high velocity.

[Too slow] Thermetic materials generate lots of heat, quickly, sufficient to cut through steel beams easily. But they don't explode outward at speeds in excess of the speed of sound in steel, which is necessary to convert the steel into dust almost instantly. High explosives (hypersonic emissions) are needed to rapidly disassociate the molecular bonds in solid material. The WTC tower steel was not, for the most part, in those initial seconds, melted. It was pulverized into fine dust.

[Too weak] As noted in the Hightower and Fetzer article above, the tonnage of thermetic material required to produce that much energy would have been too large to hide. Niels Harrit is reported in that article to have calculated that 143,000 metric tons of thermitic material that would have been placed in each tower. Thermites are orders of magnitude too slow (not exploding with hypersonic speeds needed to de-molecularize steel) and too weak (too many tons needed). Here's another good article making this point: The Bogus Science (BS) Of 'Explosive SuperThermite' Versus The Facts Of A 'Deflagration Compound', By Ed Ward, MD (http://www.rense.com/general77/geddno.htm)

The following bizarre thought experiment might help convey a sense of the energy requirements in a "more personal" way:
Imagine that I locked you in a jail cell, with ample food and water, and a sledge hammer, a large steel plate, some ear muffs, and an ordinary brick. I promise to set you free once you have converted that brick to talcum powder fiine dust. You are going to be one tired being a few days later, when you finally leave your cell. That's a lot of work, breaking down each molecular bond.

Something of very high energy production was required, that's obvious. A million tons of concrete and steel were converted to fine dust in 20 seconds total elapsed time (10 seconds per tower.)

The primary means of dustifying the towers was not thermite. I am as convinced as that as I am that it was not jet fuel fires on the 80th floor softening and weaking a million tons of concrete and steel below (remember, heat rises) the fire to the point of total, sudden, catastrophic failure.

===

So the thermite is part of a coverup, and neither this latest Russian intelligence report posted by Duff nor Chris Bollyn are covering for Israeli/Mossad/Zionist agents ... quite the contrary.

The two things I can see here that might be worthy of such a coverup are either (1) the possession by someone of weaponized exotic energy technology, or (2) the possession of, and use of, American nukes by Israel.

GuyFox

25th May 2014, 15:59

Thanks, Paul.
Interesting speculation.
Something more than "pet theories" is at stake here, methinks

gripreaper

25th May 2014, 16:15

Its possible that there was a combination of all of the above. Some internal charges set at intervals to produce squalls, which can be seen in the photo's, some thermite to cut some beams to start the inertia and to help it along, both as a cover for the importance that an exotic energy weapon, powerful enough to dustify a steel and concrete building in less than 10 seconds, needs to remain a secret from the general population.

Although some of us have an idea what technology now exists on this planet, because we have witnessed some of it's effects, really do not know the extent of the power of what's available to the 1%. We speculate that they have interstellar zero gravity craft, directed energy weaponry capable of vaporizing anything in an instant, and free energy technology which would render the oil and electric control grids obsolete. That's a lot of power in the hands of a few psychopaths, don't ya think?

ThePythonicCow

25th May 2014, 16:34

Its possible that ...
Absolutely, it's possible.

I am as certain as I can be that multiple mechanisms were used, some for show and some for their telling effect.

And yes, most of us, myself certainly included, have little idea of the technology possible using exotic physics, or of the exotic physical effects caused even by "ordinary" atomic bombs. Even the effects that can be caused by "ordinary" tornadoes mystify us.

Rocky_Shorz

25th May 2014, 17:37

this is just a small part of the article on mini nukes...

"It has long been suspected HIGHLY REFINED – EXTREMELY PURE Pu-239 has been used in all the micro nuke blasts – very little long term radiation in a highly selectable output range. This is the first official ‘confirmation’ of its use in Micro Nukes. Amazing how the ‘terrorists’ nukes have gotten smaller than the ‘official acknowledgement’ of any Micro Nuke the US possesses. (Note: As far as my limited expertise on ‘basic physics’, the new pure fusion nukes (more appropriately ‘weapon’ since the energy release can be extremely focused and extremely varied in the type of energy released) use, lithium 7 (sometimes noted as ‘anti-matter), uncooled and augmented ‘cold fusion’, anti-matter (released via Lithium 7), via ‘virtual photons’ affecting ‘Coulomb’s Law) While there is some heat in the new fusion bombs, they tend to ‘disintegrate’ rather than the old school ‘vaporization’.

Radiation in the first hour after an explosion is about 90 percent, with it going down to about 1 percent of the original level after two days. Radiation only drops to trace levels after 300 hours. (Again, this is the first official HOURLY breakdown of ‘radiation’ after a Micro Nuke Explosion.)

Treatment

If detection and decontamination occurs soon after exposure, about 95 percent of external radioactive material can be removed by taking off the victim’s clothing and shoes and washing with water. Further decontamination may require the use of bleaches or other mild abrasives. (Again, noted in Ivy Flats, but never officially documented by US Government.)

The above are the Selected Highlights of ‘Suitcase Nukes’ located at this link:

Full Article Here: Don’t worry about taking the link, the Department of Homeland Stasi has deleted all accurate information and the radiation activity quotes noted above http://www.nationalterroralert.com/suitcasenuke/

1. This is a kiloton KT (1,000 tons) bomb, not a megaton MT (1 Million tons) bomb, and it’s not even 2% of a kilo (18 tons).

2. “In November 1972, the following sentence was declassified: “The fact of existence of weapons with tailored outputs, e.g., enhanced x-ray, neutron or gamma-ray output, that we are hardening our weapons to enhanced weapon outputs and that high-Z materials are used in hardening nuclear weapons against high-energy x-rays.” Note – the date is the declassification date, not the development date.

How small can a nuclear reaction be? Through hydrodynamic experiments for triggering fusion, extremely lows yield nuclear explosions have been generated on the magnitude of “several Pounds of TNT.” As noted above, in 1961 .018 kt was unveiled in 1961. In 1956, the Tamalpais with a yield of 0.072 kt was declassified.

This program produced (partial list) the following information for a regular 0.01 kt yields, air ignition: Fireball max light radius = 25.4 meters, Max time light pulse width = 0.011 seconds, Max fireball airburst radius = 10.6 meters, Time of max temperature = 0.0032 seconds, Area of rad. exposure = 0.12 sq. miles; Blastwave Effects: Overpressure = 5 lb/sq. inch (160 mph) radius = 0.09 km, 1 lb/sq. inch radius = 0.26 km; Underground ignition: Crater diameter = 56 feet with a Richter magnitude of 3.52. Thermal radiation damage range is significantly reduced by clouds, smoke or other obscuring materials. Surface detonations are known to decrease thermal radiation by half. A neutron bomb produces much less blast and thermal energy than a fission bomb of the same yield by expending its energy by the increase in the production of neutrons. Even the older neutron bombs produce very little long term fallout, but made considerable induced radiation in ground detonations. The half life of induced radiation is very short and is measured in days rather than years.

3. Don’t believe me, check out the governments admitted need for a nuke that will allow them to use their enemies ‘fortresses’ against them… the Neutron Bomb. Part of the big benefit was 3 to 5 days = CLEAR. However, stable isotopes formed by neutron activation will be there for centuries.

4. See the Ivy Flats video (also in the article) where they show the needed ‘decontamination’ for running around the ground zero site in jeeps and patrols. A good dusting with a broom was all that was required per official government statements. HOWEVER, some were just ate up with radiation, they had to be hosed down with SURPRISE…. WATER. See Testing the First Micro Nuke http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/06/15/testing-the-first-micro-nuke/

5. Tritium is Radiation and is the only form of radiation that was semi adequately tested for – provided one only wanted data on WTC6.

Samuel Cohen Quotes on the Old Style Neutron Bomb – Thanks to Cohen in ‘F!ck You Mr. President’ we no longer need the quoted information that has been sanitized by the Department of Homeland Stasi.

【Pure Fusion Warheads The small tactical battlefield neutron bomb is the closest kin to a pure-fusion device.

The principle difference is that in a pure-fusion device, the plutonium fission component is entirely eliminated.

The pure-fusion device relies on the same deuterium-tritium mixture to create its burst of high-energy neutrons, but is designed to accomplish this “burn” without the use of any fissionable material. Thus, while still packing a neutron wallop, its explosive yield – the part that does the most physical damage – is much smaller because it lacks the fission component.

What little explosive yield remains can be as little as one hundredth the size of the small tactical battlefield neutron bomb.】

●DEVELOPMENT OF NEW LOW-YIELD NUCLEAR WEAPONS
by Sam Cohen and Joe Douglass　　March 9, 2003
http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/douglass/2003/0309.html

【To understand the reasons behind this concern, consider the small sizes into which very respectable yields can be packaged.

Warheads whose weight lies in the 30 to 150 pound range can “have yields as low as 50 tons (high explosive equivalent) to tens of kilotons, several times the size of the first nuclear weapons that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The most available warheads and easiest to manage would be in the 100 ton to 1 or 2 kiloton range.

Insofar as size is concerned, an implosion nuclear warhead could be as small as a soccer ball and weigh less than 50 pounds. 】

Just some nuke facts from Mr. Neutron Bomb… Cohen retitled the book in its final printing, “F!CK YOU, Mr. President!”

Re: Shame http://glasstone.blogspot.com/2006/05/revised-edition-of-sam-cohens-shame-is.html

Cohen points out that the neutron bomb doesn’t have the collateral damage of fallout, blast and heat effects that occurred in Hiroshima, but enhanced neutron flash radiation: `in about a thousandth of a second it will seriously irradiate enemy soldiers (in tanks, self-propelled artillery vehicles, armored personnel carriers, in field bunkers, and most other places where they may be) out to a distance of about half to three-quarters of a mile for a warhead yield of a kiloton… Roughly half will die, most rather quickly from shock to the central nervous system. … What doesn’t it do? Well, for start-offs, when the war is over the civilian areas — villages, towns, cities — will be in just about the shape they were in before it started. There will be no lingering radioactivity [residual doses from neutron induced activity in soil are insignificant compared to the flash dose of neutrons, and it decays quickly as in Hiroshima] prevent occupation of these areas; in fact, they can be reentered almost immediately." link (http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/06/15/update-ed-ward-md-on-suitcase-nukes-why-no-wtc-radiation-and-samuel-cohen-quotes-on-residual-pure-fusion-neutron-bomb-radiation/)

ThePythonicCow

27th May 2014, 01:05

The "errors" that I notice Chris Bollyn point out:

...
T. Mark Hightower and Jim Fetzer (Fetzer is a member of Avalon, albeit seldom active here) have (in my view) debunked the thermite hypothesis quite thoroughly in this article: Nanothermite: If It Doesn’t Fit, You Must Acquit! (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/27/nanothermite-if-it-doesnt-fit-you-must-acquit/).
...Thermites are orders of magnitude too slow (not exploding with hypersonic speeds needed to de-molecularize steel) and too weak (too many tons needed).
...

Jim Fetzer, an inactive member here, is quite active over on Veterans Today (Gordon Duff's site).

Jim Fetzer has responded, much along the lines of my response, with substantial more detail, to Chris Bollyn's slamming of Duff's publishing of the Russian intelligence report that Israeli nukes destroyed the WTC towers on 9/11.

You can find Fetzer's response at Christopher Bollyn, “thermite sniffer”, attacks Gordon Duff as “9/11 disinfo agent” (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/24/christopher-bollyn-thermite-sniffer-attacks-gordon-duff-as-911-disinfo-agent/).

Rocky_Shorz

27th May 2014, 05:02

We have a new member named Jerry that shared an excellent video on 9/11 tying together all the pieces, except the mini nukes...

Anyone who still may have doubts this video is a must watch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAAztWC5sT8

Rocky_Shorz

27th May 2014, 07:58

ThePythonicCow

27th May 2014, 13:41

Rocky_Shorz

27th May 2014, 19:32

he actually wasn't debunking the use of nukes...

Hi Rocky,

I cannot make sense of your above comment. Who is the "he" who you think is falsely accused of trying to debunk nukes?

the antennae wasn't vaporized?

I agree that Chris Bollyn is apparently correct in finding Duff's report that the antenna vaporized to be incorrect. As I noted above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71634-Russia-and-VT-point-the-Finger-for-9-11-Did-the-Israelies-plant-nukes-in-the-towers-Nuke-cancer-in-victims.&p=838051&viewfull=1#post838051), I think that there was confusion in Duff's report between the "spire" and the radio antenna:

...

...
The radio tower did not dustify -- As best as I can tell, Bollyn is correct. I suspect that there is confusion between the radio tower that mostly survived the destruction and the "spire" (a core column beam) that did dustify:
https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/911blimp.net_images_spireDisintegrates.jpg
...

that was a confusing page, looking back I see it was Jim, not Chris's theory.

the simple answer is both were used, it was used for the sheer cuts on the beams, while the nuke went off up above.

we have seen the modified military plane with the attachment below that hit the twin towers, nuke, thermite... anything could have been loaded in the planes.

Space Weapons hasn't come into the story yet, but that is still a suspicion though no one can confirm it that wants to survive publishing the info.

white plane in the sky directing the operation, controlling the unmanned attack planes. painting a target for the sky beam

so what happened to the 2 Boston flights filled with people?

a plane full of people that didn't send one message from cell phones, once again jamming technology like what was used on flight 370

Rocky_Shorz

28th May 2014, 03:07

ThePythonicCow

28th May 2014, 22:39

we've all seen the street workers video of the first plane hit, but I ran across this one which is from a different angle, the explosion looks huge compared to the other video...

can you tell if this one has the unit attached under the belly?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxTB3B3XPEI#t=41

at 42 secs, the back blew out before the plane finished hitting...
Wow! That's not the second plane hitting the south tower. That's the first plane, hitting the north tower (as you noted). It is taken from across the Hudson river, so the north tower, the one with the radio tower, is to the left. The sun (9 AM in the morning) is shining on the south side (the right side) of each tower, and the west side (left side from this view) is still in the shadow.

This is only the second video I have ever seen of the first, north tower, impact. The first such video being a well known shot by the French Naudet brothers film crew, while shooting a documentary from the streets of Manhattan.

Here are six still frames from the point right around the impact, extracted from the above video.

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame1.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame2.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame3.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame4.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame5.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame6.png
The resolution is too poor to identify the flying object, but it is about the right length for the American Airlines Flight 11 Boeing 767-223ER that supposedly hit the north tower. Such a plane is 160 feet long, and each twin tower was 64 meters on a side so had about a 150 foot diagonal.

The erupting explosion does indeed happen quickly, seemingly too quickly.

Here is a still from the better known video shot by Jules Naudet:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2a/Firstplane.jpg

Rocky_Shorz

28th May 2014, 22:50

thanks Paul,

You know I stay away from 9/11 normally, but I had never heard it mentioned...

remember the Israelis on the bridge dancing? Isn't that in the same direction as this shot?

then handed over to an Arab network to be shared like it was militant planned...

that plane rocked the whole upper part of the building, huge explosion...

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame4.png
can you catch a frame just after this one? I paused at a moment less than half the plane had hit and the other side of the building blew. before the plane fuel exploded...

right at 42 just after the man, looking up at the tower... plane hasn't hit the other side is burning.

after looking a few times, that is a shot of the 2nd inbound

ThePythonicCow

29th May 2014, 00:20

can you catch a frame just after this one? I paused at a moment less than half the plane had hit and the other side of the building blew. before the plane fuel exploded...

right at 42 just after the man, looking up at the tower... plane hasn't hit the other side is burning.

after looking a few times, that is a shot of the 2nd inbound

Here are frames 1 to 9 of the 20 frames of the south tower "collision" from your video:

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame1.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame2.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame3.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame4.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame5.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame6.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame7.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame8.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame9.png
I suspect that the smoke in the first seven of these frames, with the man in the foreground, is from WTC 1, which is behind WTC 2 from that angle.

ThePythonicCow

29th May 2014, 00:20

Here are frames 10 through 18 of those 20 frames:

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame10.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame11.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame12.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame13.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame14.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame15.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame16.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame17.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame18.png

ThePythonicCow

29th May 2014, 00:21

And here are the last two frames, 19 and 20, of those 20 frames (I'm only allowed 9 images per post):

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame19.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_south_tower_frame20.png

ThePythonicCow

29th May 2014, 00:25

The "nose of the airplane" coming out the other side has been used as evidence that this was entirely a CGI or more exotic such visual technology, not the claimed commercial passenger airplane, impacting the second tower.

I would speculate from (1) the disappearing left wing in frames 2 to 6 (two posts above) and from the nose coming out the other side in frames 10 through 18, that this was partially "CGI" (actually, other more exotic visual technology) for the wings, along with a high mass, hard nosed, projectile that was able to completely penetrate the entire building intact, before exploding slightly later than likely intended, just after coming out the other side.

Rocky_Shorz

29th May 2014, 00:32

so Building 7 FBI were on an "excercise" in California...

a new commander was put in place on the morning of a training drill of inbound planes...

not knowing how things are supposed to go, when he had a call from Air traffic controllers, he didn't scramble the jets, but put a few in their birds just in case.

both hijacked planes crossed directly overhead of the new commander...

incompetence was the official story...

who put the whole WTC7 FBI building in California for this training?

Roisin

29th May 2014, 00:38

It looks like, at the moment of impact, someone via remote pressed a red button to set off a bomb that was planted on those floors! That the blast was also seen instantaneously coming out on the other end of that building at the moment of impact too is just too much for me to wrap my mind around. It seems to defy all logic!

IOW's, it looks like a bomb went off on those floors a split second before the plane hit that building....

Rocky_Shorz

29th May 2014, 03:13

http://www.pakalertpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/9-11-WTC-Collapses-Compared-To-Nuke-Detonations.jpg

"First fact is that the collapse sequence was an hour after planes hit,

and fires were being managed and it seemed stable until the tower that was hit second, off center through the corner, detonated in a huge symmetrical engulfing fireball at approximately the same weakened floors. turning the building into amazing huge chunks of flying shrapnel. Exterior sections and hundreds of 20 foot I beams blown outwards hundreds of feet, showering other buildings and it FELL Straight Down, not over on the smashed out corner.

A huge dense gray cloud burst outward while a dense black cloud continued upwards. The two clouds separated in a few seconds and the upper cloud formed a large black mushroom cloud while the lower gray cloud formed a huge, hundreds of feet wide, “Dreadlock Cloud” all around the building, filled with molten hot I beams.

Small dusty blasts came from windows just below, which some claim were smaller timed controlled detonations but they also could be air bursts from the over pressure of the collapsing floors. It all quickly merged into one huge dredlock cloud and then when it hit ground, it billowed upwards into a 20+ story lighter colored pyroclastic cloud that engulfed the streets and buildings and proceedd horizonatally outwards.

By then the upper black mushroom cloud was well developed and drifting and a void opened to view where the buildings used to stand. The clouds enveloped Manhattan and adjacent waterways for miles. There was absolutely no evidence of any type of “Pancaking Floors” as it was all transformed into gray dust and flying beams. It fell with such velocity that it had No Resistance, as proven by analysis of the timing and gravity, a pure free fall showing total disintegration of all structural strength, with only jagged fragments of the exterior still standing a few floors above ground, The debris piles were only a few floors high with only a small fraction of the total building materials and weight, the vast majority being turned into black mushroom clouds and and even larger gray pyroclastic clouds, across the Island. As I recall, over 2/3rds of the buildings totally vanished!

This close up photo clearly show the incredible violence of the ripping open of the building near the upper floors. Only chunks of the exterior remain as the interior portions are dusted along with fully separated i Beams. Every molecular bond broken, every rivet busted out.

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/sep1109_09_11/s03_2H469386.jpg final blast rips sides open

This is the Dredlock Cloud, early in the collapse. and almost identical on each building all the way down.

http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/05/71/63/1547459/5/628×471.jpg Dredlock wtc

This is a photo of the clouds, quite distinct from the earlier fire clouds which never mushroomed and drifted orderly and horizontally away for an hour."

http://sharing.wwlp.com/sharewlin//photo/2010/02/10/Attacks-World-Trade-C_Gree(2)_20100210074332_640_480.JPG Cloud

http://www.rense.com/general96/SD_html_237dda03.jpg
link (http://www.pakalertpress.com/2014/05/25/911-wtc-collapses-compared-to-nuke-detonations/?utm_source=PakAlertPress&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=PakAlertPress)

Rocky_Shorz

29th May 2014, 03:19

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20140421/359423_september-11.jpg

A new and terrifying 9/11 conspiracy has hit the news. We are now confronted, not only with startling proof that 9/11 was a “nuclear event,” but that there have been thousands of unreported deaths in New York, radiation cancers and nearly 70,000 being kept alive with experimental stem cell therapy and physically devastating “chemo.”

One of the biggest medical cover-ups in history was exposed this week when Wall Street brokers suffering from cancer after 9/11 made the news. While telling their story, the New York Post revealed that 70,000 New Yorkers have applied for 9/11 victim compensation, most for cancers that can only be attributed to direct exposure to ionizing radiation from nuclear weapons.

Officials would not give a breakdown of cancer victims, but 10,800 downtown workers make up the second-largest group of registered claimants after 39,500 Ground Zero responders. There are another 16,600 in smaller categories such as residents, students, child-care and health-care workers.

Finance workers engulfed in dust and debris from the Twin Towers’ collapse say the attacks — and returning to Wall Street a week later, when officials insisted it was safe — triggered their diseases.”

There is no other established cause, not “toxic soup” or irradiated drywall. In fact, the 70,000 victims represent the largest cancer cluster in history, even more victims than survivors of both Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined, the only other similar “spike” of multiple myeloma cases.

Of the 70,000 victims, over 90% say they were exposed within a one-square-mile area. Yet the cover-up has been so thorough that only one death has been “officially reported” and only a small number of victims have been paid compensation due to a “system” ripe with denial, disinformation and corruption.

NUKES, NOT PLANES AND PANCAKES
The official cause of the collapse of the three towers at the World Trade Center was a terror attack involving two airplanes. We are told that the towers simply collapsed because they were built without a central core and heat had weakened the steel on the poorly designed structure.

Studies by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, however, tell a different story, that of the most powerful buildings on earth with massive steel cores and a design capable of withstanding aircraft crashes, earthquakes or fires without significant structural damage.

The third tower, Building 7,”simply fell for no apparent reason. No answers were given and when questions were asked, the answer was “Building what?”

The “official report” simply made it all up, junk science and perjured testimony. For the cancer victims of 9/11, the lying is still going on.

Were one or more of the three towers destroyed on 9/11, the victim of “nuclear demolitions?” An article in the New York Post outlining the largest “cancer cluster” in history may well do exactly that.

WHERE THE “NUKE” CLAIMS COME FROM
Recently, stories attributing the destruction of the World Trade Center to “nano-thermite” were spread across the news. They originated from “Gawker,” a website for New York-based media insiders.

The first time nuclear weapons were mentioned involving 9/11 was when former Soviet nuclear intelligence officer, Dimitri Khalezov, wrote of being briefed by his government that nuclear demolitions had been planted under the World Trade Center.

Khalezov told of a September 12, 2001 meeting with Mossad operations chief Mike Harari and other Israeli intelligence specialists including Harari’s son.

At a celebratory brunch in Bangkok, according to Khalezov, the Israelis took credit for the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks. Khalezov presented proof, including a copy of Harari’s passport, issued under a false identity but with a clearly recognizable photo.

In 2007, a team of FBI agents flew to Bangkok to interview Khalezov. Their investigation was of specially built aircraft they said crashed into the twin towers, each containing, according to the FBI, a small nuclear weapon.
They also interviewed Khalezov about the Pentagon attack and his belief that a stolen Granit missile had been used.

According to authoritative sources, “Lord of War,” Victor Bout, the CIA gun runner portrayed by Nicholas Cage in the film, Lord of War,” was extradited to the United States where he is imprisoned, not for the charges the public is told of, but for supplying the missile used to attack the Pentagon.

No mention is made of who Bout’s co-conspirators were.
In 2010, sources within the Defense Intelligence Agency began working with an operational hypothesis that the twin towers were destroyed with advanced “neutron-like” weapons that left no radiation signature. They believe that multiple weapons were used, not only in the towers themselves but in the subbasement as well.

Reports by investigative journalist Jeff Prager outlining underground fires lasting months along with the almost total lack of wreckage is seen by many as a very strong confirmation of the DIA hypothesis.

THE CONTINUING COVERUP
After 9/11, tens of thousands of Americans developed cancer. Many died but no one will ever know how many. That number is, for some reason “classified.”

By 2006, the Village Voice had begun to write about the cancer epidemic and Dr. Larry Norton of Sloan Kettering Memorial Medical Center cited that something in the dust may have caused the cancer outbreak. Norton demanded a detailed study be funded, but no study followed.

In fact, there was never any evidence that the “toxic dust” was, in fact, any different than what New Yorkers had been breathing for decades. Why should it have been?

They had been demolishing buildings in Manhattan for a century. Then the reports became more bizarre.
Stories were circulated that the World Trade Center was built with Chinese drywall containing radioactive phosphor-gypsum. However, no “Chinese drywall” had been imported to New York at that time nor was any used in the World Trade Center construction.

Then again, there is no evidence that small amounts of radiation could have caused the massive spike in cancers, with up to 70% of the tens of thousands of first responders suffering according to Dr. Norton.

THE “NUCLEAR TEST” CANCER
The cancer is multiple myeloma. Victims are told they got it from breathing “toxic soup” from 9/11, mostly drywall dust. The number of victims who have thus far applied for benefits from the 2.7-billion-dollar 9/11 fund, as reported in the New York Post story, that number is 69,900.
There is one known direct cause for this disease, exposure to a nuclear explosion. Multiple myeloma is also known as “the Hiroshima disease.”

Studies at both Los Alamos and Livermore Labs show little increase, no more than 4%, for minor radiation exposure. There are no other established factors, no “toxic soup” that can cause this disease.

From Cancer Compass:

“Some research suggests that there are certain multiple myeloma risk factors increase a person's chance of getting multiple myeloma. Farmers and petroleum workers exposed to certain chemicals also seem to have a higher-than-average chance of getting multiple myeloma. In addition, people exposed to large amounts of radiation (such as survivors of the atomic bomb explosions in Japan) have an increased risk for this disease.”

In 1988, Congress established (Radiation Exposed Veterans Compensation Act Pub. L. 100-321) those diseased attributed to ionizing radiation from nuclear explosions. Listed as “Number 2” under leukemia is multiple myeloma.

WE’VE SEEN IT BEFORE
After the Vietnam War, veterans began dying of a series of diseases, including cancers typically tied to dioxin exposure. However, the government denied that it had used any form of chemical that could have been responsible.

After a series of commissions, lawsuits and investigations, it wasn’t until 1991 when the US government admitted that Agent Orange had already killed as many as 100,000 veterans. Were they diagnosed and treated using information the government withheld, many if not most would be alive today.

Gulf War Syndrome is an almost identical abuse with over 10,000 deaths and a government that waited 20 years to admit a problem existed, as before, only after most of those who could have been diagnosed and treated successfully using withheld information were already dead.

An identical situation exists in New York. Perhaps the most insidious part is the obfuscation regarding non-specific “toxic dust” as a causation. Withheld information has led to over a decade of purposeful misdiagnoses with medical professionals fearful of being charged as “conspiracy theorists” if they develop and treat patients in accordance with established procedures involving radiation exposure.

Instead, tens of thousands have developed statistically impossible diseases with the vast majority misdiagnosed for years.

Today, 70,000 survivors of 9/11 have cancer. There is no official cause other than “toxic soup,” a term any medical researcher would cringe upon hearing.

GD/NN link (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/04/21/359423/nuke-cancer-from-911-revealed/)

Story debunked by Mick West at Metabunk (https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-nuke-cancer-from-9-11-presstv-gordon-duff.3515/)

Rocky_Shorz

29th May 2014, 06:15

what do you think this ball is fired from the helicopter?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPKq2K2dh6k

Pentagon hit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtG6wlRjVQA

ThePythonicCow

31st May 2014, 01:08

what do you think this ball is fired from the helicopter?
To what helicopter do you refer? (Perhaps that would be evident if I knew to what post you replied.)

Rocky_Shorz

31st May 2014, 02:02

right under the comment, the video called "The Ball..."

in one of the other tower 2 videos you see what looks like a news chopper in the distance, covering the burning tower...

the guy who put the video together talks about it being fired from a Helicopter, hits at the same moment and location as the plane which could explain the massive Tower 2 explosion if the ball is the nuke... almost like the plane was lighting up the target for the bomb with the bright light shown in several videos.

it reminds me of what is reported as a UFO attacking the Proton Satellite Launch Russia had explode recently...

ThePythonicCow

31st May 2014, 04:08

what do you think this ball is fired from the helicopter?

To what helicopter do you refer?

right under the comment, the video called "The Ball..."

in one of the other tower 2 videos you see what looks like a news chopper in the distance, covering the burning tower...

the guy who put the video together talks about it being fired from a Helicopter
Ah - the video of the "ball" flying into WTC 2 was shot from a helicopter, not the ball itself.

I hear no speculation in Richard D. Hall's RichPlanet.net interview of Andrew Johnson as to the source of the ball, and I hear no speculation of any helicopter firing any objects at anything.

Rocky_Shorz

31st May 2014, 05:36

6:19 "The ball was allegedly shot from a helicopter"

looks much like the one in these videos...

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"A Russian Proton-M rocket with an advanced satellite on board crashed outside of Kazakhstan's territory on Friday, about nine minutes after lift-off. The Express-AM4R would have been Russia’s most advanced and powerful satellite."

http://rt.com/news/159304-proton-rocket-crashed-kazakhstan/

ThePythonicCow

31st May 2014, 18:02

what do you think this ball is fired from the helicopter?

To what helicopter do you refer?

6:19 "The ball was allegedly shot from a helicopter"
Aha - those words - written on the screen - I was listening, not reading :).

However, the exact quoting and wording of what's written on those video frames is:

" THE BALL "
was allegedly shot
from a helicopter
This to me is ambiguous - does it mean to suggest that a helicopter fired a ball, or that a video called "THE BALL" was taken from (shot from) a helicopter.

Ah - no - it's not ambiguous. Here's the Simon Shack SEPTEMBER CLUES video from which Andrew Johnson took the clip with this caption:
gORu-68SHpE

At 10:49 to 10:54, this Simon Shack video displays these words on the screen text:

"THE BALL" is only to be found
on the NBC archives.

This private VHS tape shows only
a faint, nearly invisible streak:
Simon's phrase "THE BALL" refers to (shot) video of the ball, not to (fired) balls.

Simon's presents "THE BALL" video itself starting at 10:08 in his video.

ThePythonicCow

31st May 2014, 18:27

One more detail -- if there is a helicopter capable of firing a 39 foot diameter high mass projectile ball at 200 or 300 miles per hour on a "rope", a nearly straight line trajectory over perhaps a mile -- I want that helicopter (but not its fuel or maintenance bills) <grin>.

That would be one mean mother of a chopper.

===

I find more likely Richard D. Hall's speculation that this "ball" was an advanced anti-gravity device, at the end of the first video in Post #94 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71634-Russia-and-VT-point-the-Finger-for-9-11-Did-the-Israelies-plant-nukes-in-the-towers-Nuke-cancer-in-victims.&p=839159&viewfull=1#post839159), above.

Rocky_Shorz

1st June 2014, 06:37

I found 5 different chopper video scanning horizons, and didn't see a flying behemoth...

I myself believe both videos show the remote drone anti-gravity device...

it was my guess over in Giovanni's ranch before I was digging into 9/11

it might be America's way of regaining power by showing this to counter Russia flying over our most advanced electronic warfare ships and shutting down all defense systems...

the 9/11 info from Russia showed up after the rocket was blown out of the sky, didn't it?

ThePythonicCow

2nd June 2014, 22:57

The third article in this Veterans Today series by Gordon Duff has just been published. It is being discussed over on this Avalon thread: VT Nuclear Education: Undeniable Proof of 9/11 as a Nuclear Event (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71929-VT-Nuclear-Education-Undeniable-Proof-of-9-11-as-a-Nuclear-Event).

The evidence for the use of nuclear fission bombs in the destruction of several of the World Trade Center buildings, including the twin towers, is becoming irrefutable in my view.

Rocky_Shorz

2nd June 2014, 23:29

ahhh some members don't like posting in any thread that has Israel blamed at the top, I forgot...

I'm not sure whether it was a nuke, scaler weaponry, thermite, a combination
or something more exotic. What is pretty sure it was not Aeroplanes that brought
down the three main towers. I like Judy woods work which she began on 9/11 itself.

Tucker Carlson Reacts to Building 7 Implosion

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Published on 7 Mar 2014

Alex Jones sits down with the founder of The Daily Caller,
Tucker Carlson and provides him with a hard hitting crash
course in the lies surrounding the September 11 attacks,
covering everything from eye witness accounts, the stand
down of NORAD and a bevy of alarming evidence surrounding
the collapse of building 7.

Lifebringer

3rd June 2014, 01:48

Wouldn't it be something if "Snowden has proof of 911" and that's why he took it on the lamb?

This could be the flame that lights the fuses of exposure and disclosure.

Lifebringer

3rd June 2014, 01:52

All I know is it seemed mighty coincidental the 5 dancing Zionist Israelis stopped by NYPD, had a picture of the exploding towers on the van they were driving and "weapons/explosives and it came down from Guiliani to release them." It had to, because he was the Mayor of NY and he was the only one with that kind of power to do it. Not to mention he sent the steel beams on the bottom floors that were still smoldering, to china for 'recycling." If that's not destroying chemical evidence, by melting it down to nothing, then I don't know what is.

ThePythonicCow

3rd June 2014, 02:03

Not to mention he sent the steel beams on the bottom floors that were still smoldering, to china for 'recycling." If that's not destroying chemical evidence, by melting it down to nothing, then I don't know what is.
Two key aspects of that evidence were destroyed in that decision. Besides destroying some physical evidence, also the relative lack of such evidence was covered up.

That is, not only was the opportunity to test the material for the cause(s) of the destruction taken from us, but also the fact that there was less steel remaining, far less, than would be expected from any ordinary building collapse due to fire or even ordinary explosives was hidden from us.

Ordinary bombs and fires don't make hundreds of thousands of tons of steel disappear. If the amount of steel remaining had been in evidence, then only highly unconventional means of destruction would still be in consideration.

Rocky_Shorz

5th July 2014, 16:04

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BryhaMzCEAELn-o.jpg

Rocky_Shorz

7th July 2014, 17:01

Bringing this across from spiritguide's new thread to keep the info together

More insightful information on 9/11 and even a report on the findings of the Atomic Enegy Commission. Article comments enlightening also.

Article lead in...

Officials Site “Thermo-Nuke” in 9/11 Demo

US ‘Superbomb’ too classified for Obama to know

By Gordon Duff and Press TV
—
Related Interviews:
■‘US contractors, beneficiaries of war’
■‘Senate runs for cover from CIA report’

The United States possesses and may well have used a devastating weapon designed to emulate terror attacks and even natural disasters.

The “thermo-metric bomb”, a combination of illegal enhanced or “salted” radiation or “neutron bomb” and infrared/thermal booster, weighing in at 10,000 pounds, is controlled by a “shadow” parallel command structure at one time under the direct control of former Vice President Dick Cheney.

Today, no one knows who controls these weapons, deployed on the B2 bomber on specially modified bays or any place a storage container or delivery truck can be left uninspected.

We do know this, they have been deployed, they have been used and “they work really well.”

A description of the weapon, designed for clandestine nuclear warfare:

“It is called a “Nuclear Thermobaric bomb”. This is what the 10,000lb bomb is that the B-2 was modified for. It uses a 1 kiloton primary surrounded by over 5,000 lbs. of iron oxide in powdered form. The devices are placed into a thick steel case, similar in looks to the Fat Man Bomb used on Hiroshima in 1945. The iron oxide or thermite is used as a secondary to make a very large heat wave blast.

It converts neutrons into infrared thermal heat energy, reducing fallout. It is an “infrared neutron bomb”. If you place several tons of iron oxide around a small nuke it will turn it into a massive enhanced radiation weapon. The neutron bomb is not the only enhanced weapon. There is an entire series of these devices such as the X-ray bomb and the EMP bomb. All primaries are nuclear. The secondaries vary depending on need or use.”

NOT SO SECRET NOW

In a leak received from a national intelligence agency other than the US, it has been learned that, during the late 1990s, the US sought to develop advanced bunker buster bombs as Russia was moving its strategic command center deep underground, beyond the reach of anything in America’s arsenal.

A virtual stream of leaks is a clear sign that, in the light of events in the Ukraine, Syria and Iraq, the “rule book” is being thrown out. From a discussion of the real 9/11 report, citing the use of nuclear weapons, the official finding of the United States Department of Energy:

“Again the original Sandia report that I read stated that it was a salted or enhanced radiation device, not just a standard low level nuke. The report only identified the type of primary used being in the W-54 series of primary boosters made at Hanford. The secondary radiation enhancement part of the weapons used was eradicated from the text.”

(Editor’s note: Please carefully re-read this startling revelation from an official source)

The birth of this weapon is a story in itself. From a highest level source:

“It is used to destroy very large metal objects such as rail yards, refineries, oil storage tanks, steel mills and very large suspension bridges. It is also good on tank columns and big ships (supertankers).

The cover story is that it is one of the “new B-61 bunker buster mods” that the Air Force wants. This is to hide new weapons development that is banned by congress and Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty or ‘SALT 2.’”

BACKGROUND

With the cancellation of the nuclear bunker buster programs, the new “salted ‘secondary’” modified nuclear weapons went “dark,” and in doing so, eventually disappeared from official inventories and official “command structures” as well.

Over the past 24 months, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey removed “undesirable elements” from America’s nuclear command. Almost no one was left. Was General Dempsey securing “toys” like the thermometric bomb from rogue commanders who had used it in Afghanistan, as several reports confirm or even in the United States?

Link to article.....

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/07/officials-site-thermo-nuke-in-911-demo/

Peace!

Sean

8th July 2014, 03:02

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/nuke-cancer-from-911-revealed/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/too-classified-to-publish-bush-nuclear-piracy-exposed/
Two absolutely devastating reports ... I've learned more about the technical details of 9/11 in the last half hour than I had in years prior.

Thanks.

Yep, Gordon dropping bombs of truth yet again. It's the technical details they're able to bring to the table that sets the VT crew apart from the rest. Their people KNOW this stuff. Israel is guilty as sin. They did it. But..shhh..if you DARE criticize precious Israel, you're a bigot, an anti-semite, and your mother dresses you funny :)

Rocky_Shorz

14th July 2014, 06:08

I'm posting some pictures of the thermo nuclear blasts from Gaza of Israel bomb drops... this is Genocide

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsHt3G-CIAIzmE0.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsGP0aeCIAAmk-a.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsGvBOYIQAA8HRv.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsSTy1eCUAEBn69.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeXiOgHIcAA8zCF.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BseYDRrCMAAQFSQ.jpg

Rocky_Shorz

14th July 2014, 07:11

another massive weapon being used to exterminate Gazans is Dime explosives

The Palestinian Health Ministry has accused Israel of using the Dense Inert Metal Explosive (DIME) in striking the Gaza Strip.

"Medical teams have registered injuries consistent with those caused by DIME and other banned weapons," health undersecretary Youssef Abul Resh told a press conference in Gaza City's Shifa medical complex Sunday.

"Israel has mercilessly targeted Palestinian civilians leaving many of them with life-threatening injuries and future handicaps," he said.

Israeli authorities were not immediately available to comment on the accusation.

Renounced Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert has also accused the Israeli army of using internationally banned weapons in its ongoing offensive against the Gaza Strip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmViN0Xr-OU&feature=player_detailpage

Rocky_Shorz

14th July 2014, 20:45

Fulford's latest

Nazionist mafia circles the wagons as investigations zero in on Bush/Netanyahu

"The recent brutality by Israel in the Gaza strip, the emergence of the ISIS caliphate in Iraq and the troubles in the Ukraine can now be traced to the same source: the Nazionists.

Let us start with the ISIS campaign. Here is what MI5 and other intelligence agencies have been able to put together recently: ISIS is controlled by the CIA/RAND Corporation from headquarters in the US Embassy in Ankara, Turkey. This supports earlier claims from separate sources that an outfit known as the Jamestown Foundation runs CIA training bases in Turkey. ISIS also has its own nuclear capability outside of any formal government control, the sources say. In addition, it has been determined that the satellite communications used by ISIS are controlled out of Jerusalem. At the same time, the ISIS drones are run out of the US military base of Fort Huachuca in Arizona.

Furthermore, genuine Muslims in Iraq are saying the ISIS fighters “do not look like Muslims and do not act like Muslims.” The locals are also very suspicious... "

"Now let us take a look at the situation in Israel. Here we have a campaign that started with mutual kidnapping and murder (either real or faked) between Palestinians and Israelis. Next we have Mossad’s Hamas subsidiary firing missiles at Israel to reignite the long nurtured paranoia among the brainwashed Jewish population of Israel. Then we have the Israeli army attacking the Gaza strip in much the same way as the Nazis once attacked the Warsaw Ghetto..."

"Fortunately for us, it seems that Thad Allen and his like are not the only ones with weather warfare weapons. Last week a “once in decades super-typhoon” was headed for Tokyo when it suddenly vanished. It never hit. Something wiped it out.

http://www.scmp.com/article/1548685/super-typhoon-neoguri-once-decades-storm-barrels-towards-japan

Both the alternative and corporate media hyped up this storm enormously before it hit and shut up entirely when it just vanished. This has now happened multiple times.
The WDS and its allies will also stop any attempts by the cabal to use HAARP and other such technology to blow up the Yellowstone super-volcano or cause any other man made “natural disaster” mass casualty vents.

So, now that we are getting a critical mass of Americans who are waking up to what was done to them, and demanding justice, they confront very dangerous and cornered beast but they will find they have many powerful friends around the world who are fighting the very same creature.

Speaking about the rest of the world, here we are seeing more and more good news by the day. This week the BRICS nations will be having their summit and formally launching the BRICS Bank and BRICS financial stabilization fund. They will be also be promoting a “multi-polar” world instead of a fascist, centralized New World Order.

In Indonesia, the most heavily populated nation in the world, Joko Widodo, an honest non-cabal candidate supported by the 177 nation BRICS alliance, won a decisive victory over his cabal opponent.

Meanwhile the Vatican, once a nest of Satanists, is continuing to clean up its house and become genuinely Christian again. The Vatican bank has shut down over 3000 accounts used by the Sabbateans in the past to bribe and control senior politicians around the world. The Vatican P2 Freemason lodge is now saying the final obstacle to the new financial system is the “Bush Khazarians [Sabbateans]. ”"

moving beyond 33+33

"Finally, the gnostic illuminati mysteriously promised the WDS last week they were “going to write a new chapter of the bible.”"

all this happening during the blood moon Tetrad... link (http://hipknowsys.blogspot.hu/2014/07/benjamin-fulford-july-14-2014-nazionist.html?m=1)

jerry

14th July 2014, 21:20

This is a call for disclosure from a US congressman FINALLY! we can only hope ItE28oeMnas

Rocky_Shorz

15th January 2015, 06:47

with the recent false flag attack in France I thought this should be bumped back to the top...

Same players with a goal of WW III

we've all seen the street workers video of the first plane hit, but I ran across this one which is from a different angle, the explosion looks huge compared to the other video...

can you tell if this one has the unit attached under the belly?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxTB3B3XPEI#t=41

at 42 secs, the back blew out before the plane finished hitting...
Wow! That's not the second plane hitting the south tower. That's the first plane, hitting the north tower (as you noted). It is taken from across the Hudson river, so the north tower, the one with the radio tower, is to the left. The sun (9 AM in the morning) is shining on the south side (the right side) of each tower, and the west side (left side from this view) is still in the shadow.

This is only the second video I have ever seen of the first, north tower, impact. The first such video being a well known shot by the French Naudet brothers film crew, while shooting a documentary from the streets of Manhattan.

Here are six still frames from the point right around the impact, extracted from the above video.

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame1.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame2.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame3.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame4.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame5.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame6.png
The resolution is too poor to identify the flying object, but it is about the right length for the American Airlines Flight 11 Boeing 767-223ER that supposedly hit the north tower. Such a plane is 160 feet long, and each twin tower was 64 meters on a side so had about a 150 foot diagonal.

The erupting explosion does indeed happen quickly, seemingly too quickly.

Here is a still from the better known video shot by Jules Naudet:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2a/Firstplane.jpg