If the Left is Right and the Right is Wrong...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Can I ask a simple question...

America would love a strong independent party, but in our political system we only have right and Left with no room for more...

are we continuously programmed to not accept a 3rd party stepping forward?

[yelik]

I think the time is right for a new type of leader to emerge although the existing establishment would make it a tough ride. It's probably easier in the UK than the US because of the size and funding needed. The corrupt media would try to kill them off at birth, however, I think the people would support and recognise an honest leader who truly wished to represent the best interest of the people.

[Maknocktomb]

Do not fall for the trap that we in the U.S. have a choice. It is a illusion of choice. There would never be a third party of equal power as the Democrats or Republicans. Jesse Ventura stated that when he was Governor of Minnesota he was able to unite the Democratic and Republican parties as they both worked together to get him out of office. The fix is in, and has been long before any of us were born.

[risveglio]

In the USA, it's just really hard for a 3rd Party. The BGP made sure of that after Ross Perot scared them. But, there is really no reason to have any leaders. Having a leader makes you less. Now you don't have to be responsible because it is the leaders fault. Your parents at whatever age you and them agree you are an adult, should be your last leader.

[RunningDeer]

I never understood the need for parties.
See a problem, fix the problem.
People and business working together.
Not one working for the other.

The more complicated something is my radar goes beep, beep, beep.


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[ceetee9]

Can I ask a simple question...

America would love a strong independent party, but in our political system we only have right and Left with no room for more...

are we continuously programmed to not accept a 3rd party stepping forward?Yes. The programming is so obvious to anyone who is willing to look with a critical eye. Sadly, the majority of Americans are so dumbed-down that they refuse to even consider anything that doesn't come from the government or its MSM propaganda machine.

Remember when Ron Paul came in 2nd place in Iowa (I believe) when he was running for the Republican nomination (even though he's a Libertarian) and the mainstream media reported on the first, third, fourth, fifth and sixth place candidates as if second place didn't exist at all. If that doesn't get people questioning what's going on, I don't know what will.

The MSM apparently did it in New Hampshire as well: CBS Excludes Ron Paul from New Hampshire 2012 News Coverage... (http://www.libertypulse.com/article/cbs-excludes-ron-paul-from-new-hamshire-2012-campaign-news-coverage-blowback-ensues/)

The game is rigged. We no longer have a Democracy--if we ever did.

[jagman]

It's Nice to see your thinking outside the box Rocky_Shorz. If everyone was truely
honest they would have to admit that they might agree with certain issues within
their political party but their political party doesnt represent them! Our political
system is broken and it has been for a while. This goes way beyond the D & R.

[ThePythonicCow]

Can I ask a simple question...

America would love a strong independent party, but in our political system we only have right and Left with no room for more...

are we continuously programmed to not accept a 3rd party stepping forward?
In a sufficiently large nation, with sufficiently dumbed down populace and a sufficiently well controlled media, apparent democratic control of the government approaches a perfect illusion.

Actual participation, to some degree, by the governed in their government is only possible in smaller nations, with a sufficiently well educated and involved citizenry, informed by at least a marginally honest news media.

This explains the real motive for the Seventeenth Ammendment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution) to the US Constitution, which changed the manner in which the Senators to the US Congress were elected, from a vote of the various state legislatures (where a sufficiently small body of potentially informed electors might exercise informed control) to a vote of the state populace, where a controlled news media could determine the results (with a little help from fraudulent electronic voting machines in recent years, if need be.)

[Rocky_Shorz]

It's Nice to see your thinking outside the box Rocky_Shorz. If everyone was truely
honest they would have to admit that they might agree with certain issues within
their political party but their political party doesnt represent them! Our political
system is broken and it has been for a while. This goes way beyond the D & R.

Well Tea Party wants to take power from the man, but can't being controlled by a party working against them. They're really extreme to most, but the center are where conspiracy groups gather, because they trust neither side. it is where the sheep gather who don't know who to follow. Now what happens when you get story tellers that know both sides are evil waking up the sheep stopping them from the slaughter. it becomes a movement. This movement is where a new party will be created.

Tea Party got a bad rap being tied to Koch, a new movement, the white party standing for the heart of the people.

all these spins and distractions are keeping us from creating a new choice, we are not politicians, but we have a voice, give us a youtube video of a Candidate that made a happy video to roll his campaign forward, and we the modern media, can get in front of those voting using modern media.

we have Anonymous now, they harpooned the ORCA vote rigging machine Romney and the Bush cartel were depending on.

they will keep doing it...

you think Jesse is ready to hop back into politics?

it will take a few years to get a Party rolling with minimal funding, but there were 0 independents to vote for this election just r or d

if independents are going to grow, they need to get on the ballets...

instead of spending money on advertisement, we'll just pay to change names...

change Martha Hagman to Always Pickme

half the voters pick politicians like they do race horses, whichever name stands out...

[T Smith]

Can I ask a simple question...

America would love a strong independent party, but in our political system we only have right and Left with no room for more...

are we continuously programmed to not accept a 3rd party stepping forward?

I don't think it has so much to do with being programmed as much as it has to do with the fact that the system is simply rigged.

But I would say that Americans are programmed to remain feckless and ensnared by said system, a predicament mostly unbeknownst to the national consciousness.

[toad]

Do not fall for the trap that we in the U.S. have a choice. It is a illusion of choice. There would never be a third party of equal power as the Democrats or Republicans. Jesse Ventura stated that when he was Governor of Minnesota he was able to unite the Democratic and Republican parties as they both worked together to get him out of office. The fix is in, and has been long before any of us were born.

'They' would sure enjoy you too keep indulging in such a cute sentiment. Keep telling yourself you have no choice, keep reiterating these so called 'facts' you so choose to propose.

[araucaria]

With respect, I disagree with the premise here: the political spectrum in America extends from the billionaire right to the far right. And, I would add, so does just about every other country on the planet. Anything dangling a little further left is still very much operating under the powerful influence of everything to their right. A proper political left, meaning politics by the people for the people, sometimes known as democracy, is in extremely short supply. It does occasionally flash a spark through people like Hugo Chavez, but we have a brilliant fire-fighting department that makes sure nothing comes of it.

Julius Caesar (by no means the first) was assassinated as a populist statesman when the word actually meant something, and even though he wasn’t doing very much for the people. Things have gone steadily downhill ever since. Nowadays, the “populists” are up among the worst of them. The only solution, which is beginning to come into place already here and there, is to do with politics as with the banks – find independent alternatives elsewhere until the irrelevant current system falls away altogether. Here in France we are reaching the stage where we have no electable government party, no electable opposition, and an unelectable far right that has got ahead in the minor elections. The far right is not going anywhere because they cannot find decent candidates, or even too many voters, willing to show their faces.

[Matt P]

Can I ask a simple question...

America would love a strong independent party, but in our political system we only have right and Left with no room for more...

are we continuously programmed to not accept a 3rd party stepping forward?

As most have stated already, it's not that we only have room for left or right or have been programmed to not accept a third party. The system is simply rigged to prevent any third parties / alternative personalities from ascending too far.

Make no mistake, Ron Paul WON the last republican primary, in a landslide from what I understand. But when the machines are controlled and the media is controlled, it is easy to just ignore the truth. Does anyone have any doubt that in a FAIR election he would have then trounced Obama? Then, after the fix, people look around and wonder how everyone else is so stupid and brainwashed to keep electing the same evil bastards. It's not that Americans are that stupid, that's just what THEY want us to believe to continue keeping us divided. The problem, I think, is people simply don't believe how easy it is to control the machines' totals and they still have too much trust in their "government" representatives to do the right thing.

Having said all that, I then have to smack myself in order to remember we are speaking about what should happen in a free constitutional republic when we are instead speaking about the United States Corporation and her "elections" are only for show anyway.

So many levels of deception here!

Matt

[Lefty Dave]

Some interesting responses here, though some of us here in usa feel the need for a brand new paradigm...it appears that this 'system' is corrupted to the core...and trying to undo the laws, rules, regs etc., would take a generation to do...
With all the technologies we have, one would think we can come up with a new idea...maybe an online US Voters' Poll, where ALL citizens could cast their opinion vote on each bill or resolution being debated in the house, senate, so the public would have a way of seeing what the REAL concensus (sp) of Americans is. It may eventually hold sway over the politicians or at least show their voting record... compared to the thinking of citizens... it's a thought..blessings, all...end of line.

[Maia Gabrial]

IMO the political system is broke as it should be. Afterall, this is the system that hijacked the American govt in the first place. Let the US govt die out. Then maybe we can have our American system of representative republic back....

I refuse to vote for this nonsense anymore....

[Matt P]

Some interesting responses here, though some of us here in usa feel the need for a brand new paradigm...it appears that this 'system' is corrupted to the core...and trying to undo the laws, rules, regs etc., would take a generation to do...
With all the technologies we have, one would think we can come up with a new idea...maybe an online US Voters' Poll, where ALL citizens could cast their opinion vote on each bill or resolution being debated in the house, senate, so the public would have a way of seeing what the REAL concensus (sp) of Americans is. It may eventually hold sway over the politicians or at least show their voting record... compared to the thinking of citizens... it's a thought..blessings, all...end of line.

A part of me really likes the idea of allowing people to vote on bills and elections (true one man, one vote) but then I remember that sounds an awful lot like a pure democracy, which really scares me. A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. Or in our case maybe two drugged out right wing Zionists and a libertarian voting on what's in the country's best interests. Think about how different Avalon readers are from your typical citizen and then imagine if that typical citizen made all our choices for us. Oh my!

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IMO the political system is broke as it should be. Afterall, this is the system that hijacked the American govt in the first place. Let the US govt die out. Then maybe we can have our American system of representative republic back....

I refuse to vote for this nonsense anymore....

This is really close to what I think is going to have to happen in order for us to move forward. This entire fake reality control matrix is going to have to come down. I don't think it can be reformed. How it could/will come down I don't know but this would seem the most logical and quick fix.

Matt