How well some of them might know us

[mojo]

One of the famous Transformer movie lines by Optimus Prime was, "We learned earths' languages through the worldwide web."

The thought occured that a highly evolved species watching and observing us might use the internet to learn more about us. Perhaps even visit the forum and read our threads? hmmmm... a whole new meaning to whom might be listening...;)

[joeecho]

Megatron: Humans don't deserve to live! ;)

[AutumnW]

The organic equivalent of the World Wide Web is the collective unconscience. I feel there is a possibility they can tweak our collective impressions, delete 'files' and prioritize group preoccupations at will, if they are able to act with impunity. There is a good chance that, providing my feeling is correct, there are some constraints.

[Tyy1907]

The organic equivalent of the World Wide Web is the collective unconscience. I feel there is a possibility they can tweak our collective impressions, delete 'files' and prioritize group preoccupations at will, if they are able to act with impunity. There is a good chance that, providing my feeling is correct, there are some constraints.

I agree that they can mind phuck us up and down. Hence the (cosmic?) non-interference law that many other worlds strictly adhere to. We can thank Eisenhower and/or Roosevelt for giving consent on our behalfs. :frusty:

[AutumnW]

Tyy, I hope you don't mind me asking if you have had personal experiences that fortify this idea?

[Tyy1907]

As far as personal experience relating to law of consent, no. I have had a strange experience before that I shared in the Matrix thread that Truman Cash does.

[gripreaper]

This idea of "consent" does go to the heart of the debate, as it relates to the controllers of this planet, both the terrestrial elite oligarchs who allegedly operate at the behest of dis-incarnate elite's who have allegedly interloped into the very DNA of our species here on this sovereign planet, and manipulated and hybridized and enslaved us without our consent.

Yet, if we postulate the inference that "consent" is an immutable law of the universe, which all beings in the cosmos must adhere to, then how is it that we find ourselves in such a predicament which appears to be without consent, and against our will?

If we say, these alien interlopers came to this planet "from the skies", as documented by all of the ancient texts, and took our women unto themselves and hybridized our species, was it also the indigenous peoples willful act to intercourse with these beings? Was there not some type of mutual consent, whether it was coercive or voluntary? Was there not some equitable exchange, such as science, agriculture, promises of immortality, in exchange for such intercourse?

And, do not the incarnate elite tell us what they are planning to do, through their Hollywood movies? Do they not propose legislation through our supposed representative governments, which we vote on and approve? Did not, for example, president Eisenhower make a deal with aliens as our representative?

And do we not tacitly agree to the mandates of these leaders of the planet, by adhesion to their agreements, through registering our births and giving ourselves over to these representatives, by social security, by voter registration, by drivers licenses, fees, and appropriating usury and taxes for these people to run things? Do we not acquiesce to their agendas and their proposals, through silence and complacency? Do we not fully participate in the system and fully support it though our daily actions, by their precedence which have never been rebutted, estate trusts which have never been administered by us, and abrogation of our divine rights as sentient sovereign beings?

Do we not act like children, vessels lost at a sea of Admiralty, which need to be salvaged, saved, and ruled? Have we not forfeited our sovereignty by complacency and acquiescence?

Yes, we have.

The immutable laws of the universal contract has four precedents, which are: A meeting of the minds of both parties, full disclosure as to the terms of the contract, and equitable exchange of consideration between the parties, and of course, BOTH signatures to the agreement.

Why are these precedents rarely followed? Because we allow the unilateral contracts to be enforced, through presumptive mandates and statutes, through tacit agreement by acquiescence, and because of our ignorance, sloth, and collective memes of "there's nothing we can do" or "that's just the way things are" or we are too busy playing the game and supporting the system we so vehemently oppose.

We shout at the castle walls while our overlords throw bread crumbs to us from the towers, while refusing to go to the mirror and ADMIT we agree to ALL OF THIS!

That is the beginning of the awakening, when we can admit we are not victims, but willing participants, who have agreed to and support the system. Until we admit this, we cannot change it.

[Lifebringer]

it was all done behind closed base doors and "without OUR consent" ergo, they have not jurisdiction here and it only takes us to collectively say: "Because you've caused so much derision, divisive murder, and confusion in and throughout mankinds/human's history, POOF! BE GONE FOR GOOD!

Then watch what happens.

[Sunny-side-up]

One of the famous Transformer movie lines by Optimus Prime was, "We learned earths' languages through the worldwide web."

The thought occured that a highly evolved species watching and observing us might use the internet to learn more about us. Perhaps even visit the forum and read our threads? hmmmm... a whole new meaning to whom might be listening...;)

Hmm! mojo just where did the technology that led to our computers, fiber optics and the web really originate ha? ;)

Been said many times we/gov's have been given/captured ET hardware. It has also been said many times any such contact or given hardware might also have an ulterior/hidden agenda motive behind it, good or bad!

[uclock]

gripreaper, what a very good post!

We do agree to be enslaved by our participation in society, a society that is blind to the truth. As long as the truth is kept from society those in real power will prevail and the world will never unite to become truly free. The castles walls seem gigantic to overcome but like everything else, it has a weakness, a small crack.
If those of us who are really looking for the truth are willing to except ridicule from mainstream society, for a while, then maybe there is a way to widen the crack but there has to be a balanced view of how you would achieve this otherwise the walls will fall in on all of us. Rising up against the establishment is not the way, there are many fine people working in that establishment and I would wish no harm to come to anyone.
In the West we have what is laughingly called a democracy, it has its faults but it is the best we have. The East will find it harder, for the moment they will just have to find their own crack in the wall so to speak.
Each country has its elected representatives. We elect them and if we ask a question of them we expect a reply, especially if science is involved. All it will take is a few minutes of your time and we could awaken mainstream society if enough of us try.
As soon as I post this on the forum I am going the email my member of parliament a copy of the analysis asking "What is my government doing about this?" I will also email a copy to everyone I know with a note saying "read this, you may find it interesting."

Anyone one else willing to give it a try?

http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Analysis-of-Object-Taken-from-Patient-John-Smithv51.pdf

You never know, with a scientific report that crack may dismantle the castle walls.

[Guish]

Really detailed PDF, Uclock. How can that be even online so easily?

[ceetee9]

This idea of "consent" does go to the heart of the debate, as it relates to the controllers of this planet, both the terrestrial elite oligarchs who allegedly operate at the behest of dis-incarnate elite's who have allegedly interloped into the very DNA of our species here on this sovereign planet, and manipulated and hybridized and enslaved us without our consent.

Yet, if we postulate the inference that "consent" is an immutable law of the universe, which all beings in the cosmos must adhere to, then how is it that we find ourselves in such a predicament which appears to be without consent, and against our will?

If we say, these alien interlopers came to this planet "from the skies", as documented by all of the ancient texts, and took our women unto themselves and hybridized our species, was it also the indigenous peoples willful act to intercourse with these beings? Was there not some type of mutual consent, whether it was coercive or voluntary? Was there not some equitable exchange, such as science, agriculture, promises of immortality, in exchange for such intercourse?

And, do not the incarnate elite tell us what they are planning to do, through their Hollywood movies? Do they not propose legislation through our supposed representative governments, which we vote on and approve? Did not, for example, president Eisenhower make a deal with aliens as our representative?

And do we not tacitly agree to the mandates of these leaders of the planet, by adhesion to their agreements, through registering our births and giving ourselves over to these representatives, by social security, by voter registration, by drivers licenses, fees, and appropriating usury and taxes for these people to run things? Do we not acquiesce to their agendas and their proposals, through silence and complacency? Do we not fully participate in the system and fully support it though our daily actions, by their precedence which have never been rebutted, estate trusts which have never been administered by us, and abrogation of our divine rights as sentient sovereign beings?

Do we not act like children, vessels lost at a sea of Admiralty, which need to be salvaged, saved, and ruled? Have we not forfeited our sovereignty by complacency and acquiescence?

Yes, we have.

The immutable laws of the universal contract has four precedents, which are: A meeting of the minds of both parties, full disclosure as to the terms of the contract, and equitable exchange of consideration between the parties, and of course, BOTH signatures to the agreement.

Why are these precedents rarely followed? Because we allow the unilateral contracts to be enforced, through presumptive mandates and statutes, through tacit agreement by acquiescence, and because of our ignorance, sloth, and collective memes of "there's nothing we can do" or "that's just the way things are" or we are too busy playing the game and supporting the system we so vehemently oppose.

We shout at the castle walls while our overlords throw bread crumbs to us from the towers, while refusing to go to the mirror and ADMIT we agree to ALL OF THIS!

That is the beginning of the awakening, when we can admit we are not victims, but willing participants, who have agreed to and support the system. Until we admit this, we cannot change it.
You raise a lot of questions and make some very good points grip, some (perhaps most) of which I might agree with given the premise. However, I reject the premise that “"consent" is an immutable law of the universe, which all beings in the cosmos must adhere to...” First, because there is no “official” acknowledgement or proof that there are any other beings in the cosmos much less that, if there are any, that they adhere to such an “immutable law.” And second, because the premise's foundation appears to rest on a 1960s TV show (i.e., Star Trek's “Prime Directive”) which is hardly reason enough to believe that the extrapolation of which becomes a Universal immutable law in which all beings in the cosmos must (or do) adhere.

To be clear, I'm not implying that I need “official” acknowledgement or proof that we are not alone in the Universe. The evidence is overwhelming that we are not (and that's discounting my own personal experiences).

However, going along with the premise I still have problems with it:

The immutable laws of the universal contract has four precedents, which are: A meeting of the minds of both parties, full disclosure as to the terms of the contract, and equitable exchange of consideration between the parties, and of course, BOTH signatures to the agreement.
First, there can be no “meeting of the minds” when one (or both) of the parties to the agreement lies and/or deceives the other as to the provisions of the contract. If the contract is not based upon mutual understanding and truth, by its own definition, there can be no “meeting of the minds” and, therefore, no enforceable contract.

Second, since the hypothetical contract was based on falsehoods, there obviously is no “full disclosure as to the terms of the contract.”

Third, there can be no “equitable exchange of consideration between the parties” because the whole thing is based on a lie. Clearly, this is done solely to provide “more equity” for the side that is not fully disclosing the truth and intent. So, again, by the contract's own tenets there is no equitable or true contract.

Fourth, since the first three arguments are null and void the signatures mean nothing.

Going further, assuming President Eisenhower did sign an agreement with an extraterrestrial race, and let's ignore the fact that the contract was broken by ET (i.e., they abducted far more humans than were agreed to and did things to the humans that were not agreed to), the fact that the government has never acknowledged that ET exists, how is that we, the people, have given our “consent” (tacit or otherwise) to such an agreement?

So to answer your question:

how is it that we find ourselves in such a predicament which appears to be without consent, and against our will?The answer is we find ourselves in such a predicament because it was without our (informed) consent and will. We were duped. We have only recently begun to discover that ETs are real, governments (and corporations) often do not do things in its people's best interest, we have been lied to for decades (perhaps millennia), and granting too much power and control to a handful of people (and allowing it to grow unchecked) virtually guarantees it will lead to our destruction.

I know I have never given my consent to “ALL OF THIS” and any “acquiescence” to such things over the years was based on a contract riddled with lies and deceptions. But since I have begun to open my eyes and learn some of the truth about how this world really works, I have rejected that contract and declared it null and void and have done what I can to encourage others to “wake up” and do the same.

So while I will agree we were/are willing participants, I contend we were/are willing participants based on a false reality we were programmed to believe. Perhaps we should have known better. That there are those who will take advantage of people who trust and believe that people are basically good. Perhaps we've been programmed to believe that people are basically good to make it easier for the psychopaths to manipulate and control us.

Whatever the reasons are that we are willing to give up our sovereignty and be controlled so easily, we can not (and will not) do anything to end the lies and deceptions if we believe the lies and deceptions to be truth.

[Cidersomerset]

The thought occured that a highly evolved species watching and observing us might use the internet to learn more about us. Perhaps even visit the forum and read our threads? hmmmm... a whole new meaning to whom might be listening...

Now we know why UFO's have been hiding in clouds all this time.....

http://www.dailygrail.com/files/images/blogs/brazilian_ufo_feb24_a.jpg


They have been waiting for us to upload all our data...LOL

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/cloud-computing-uploading-22550249.jpg

[gripreaper]

So to answer your question:

how is it that we find ourselves in such a predicament which appears to be without consent, and against our will?
The answer is we find ourselves in such a predicament because it was without our (informed) consent and will. We were duped. We have only recently begun to discover that ETs are real, governments (and corporations) often do not do things in its people's best interest, we have been lied to for decades (perhaps millennia), and granting too much power and control to a handful of people (and allowing it to grow unchecked) virtually guarantees it will lead to our destruction.

I know I have never given my consent to “ALL OF THIS” and any “acquiescence” to such things over the years was based on a contract riddled with lies and deceptions. But since I have begun to open my eyes and learn some of the truth about how this world really works, I have rejected that contract and declared it null and void and have done what I can to encourage others to “wake up” and do the same.

So while I will agree we were/are willing participants, I contend we were/are willing participants based on a false reality we were programmed to believe. Perhaps we should have known better. That there are those who will take advantage of people who trust and believe that people are basically good. Perhaps we've been programmed to believe that people are basically good to make it easier for the psychopaths to manipulate and control us.

Whatever the reasons are that we are willing to give up our sovereignty and be controlled so easily, we can not (and will not) do anything to end the lies and deceptions if we believe the lies and deceptions to be truth.

So, whether the contract was by consent, acquiescence, ignorance, or "being duped", how do we break the contract? Energetically, the contract appears to be in full force, unless we rebut the presumptions and extricate ourselves from adhesion to it.


I have rejected that contract and declared it null and void and have done what I can to encourage others to “wake up” and do the same.

Do you have a birth certificate, a social security number, a drivers license? Do you pay income taxes on your labor? Do you fill out a 1040 form each year and send it in to the IRS?

It is one thing to awaken to the lie and to proclaim that one was duped and that one did not consent to it and to "speak" into the matrix your discontent with the provisions we adhere to, and it is another too actually extricate from it and stand sovereign.

[Milneman]

I just hope they'll have better grammar, punctuation, and sentence structure than 90% of the people I've seen post in the last 48 hours.

If they're learning about us from just that? We're in trouble.

They like sex, and they dangle their metaphors.

[thunder24]

hhhmmm, conformity>? youll fit right in


I just hope they'll have better grammar, punctuation, and sentence structure than 90% of the people I've seen post in the last 48 hours.

If they're learning about us from just that? We're in trouble.

They like sex, and they dangle their metaphors.

[Milneman]

I certainly hope so!

[thunder24]

well if you conform then does that mean you are a plant... wanting all to speak "the proper" and who determines what is proper

[Milneman]

SHHH don't give me away.

Yar rawng to thunk thart. :D I'm not a plant. Although I have been occasionally been accused of being a vegetable. ;)

[AutumnW]

Milneman is a fungus. He started out under someone's toenail and look at him now! Not only is he hyper-mobile, he is a grammatically correct shapeshifting species, spreading his spores upon the earth.

[thunder24]

... accused of being a vegetable. ;)
so ur a cellulose structure...

[Tyy1907]

I agree that we didn't consent to any of this. Our leaders at one time did however. Our leaders were duped.
Greys have done this on other planets as well. The know more about our physiology than us big time. Nobody even knows whats going on to boot. Anyway i'm trailing off here, I just wanted to make the distinction in the first sentence.

[AutumnW]

Grip reaper, that was a great post but I think we should reinvent the word, 'maybe' for Avalon. Because, quite frankly, there is very little about the supernatural, ETs that we know for sure.

I had the distinct impression that there was ongoing consistent interference in the mental realm going on, based partly on my own experience. It is also possible that my sense of THEM is distorted intentionally along those lines for reasons known only to them.

We just can't be in the driver's seat when trying to figure out a phenomenon that might be leading us around by the nose.

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I agree that we didn't consent to any of this. Our leaders at one time did however. Our leaders were duped.
Greys have done this on other planets as well. The know more about our physiology than us big time. Nobody even knows whats going on to boot. Anyway i'm trailing off here, I just wanted to make the distinction in the first sentence.

Again, maybe. There is some evidence based on the first hand witness testimony of apparently impeccable witnesses, but we can't know for sure if they actually are impeccable. Maybe they are lying asshats, who have done prison time.

[ceetee9]

So, whether the contract was by consent, acquiescence, ignorance, or "being duped", how do we break the contract? Energetically, the contract appears to be in full force, unless we rebut the presumptions and extricate ourselves from adhesion to it.There is no contract to break. That is the point I was trying to make--albeit not very well.


I have rejected that contract and declared it null and void and have done what I can to encourage others to “wake up” and do the same.


Do you have a birth certificate, a social security number, a drivers license? Do you pay income taxes on your labor? Do you fill out a 1040 form each year and send it in to the IRS?

It is one thing to awaken to the lie and to proclaim that one was duped and that one did not consent to it and to "speak" into the matrix your discontent with the provisions we adhere to, and it is another too actually extricate from it and stand sovereign.

Absolutely. I had no choice in my birth certificate or social security card and I had no idea about what was going on behind the scenes when I first got my drivers license. Since those things are done deals and I don't know any way of undoing a birth certificate or social security card, I don't know what your point is regarding those items. Yes, I could not renew my drivers license, but I require a license (rightly or wrongly) to drive to work to provide for myself and family.

And while I do fill out a 1040 form each year and pay my taxes, I do so primarily because I have no desire to go to jail. Just because I believe the contract is invalid, does not mean the government or the vast majority of people in this country see it that way.

So while it may be a noble and virtuous thing for a person to stand up for what they believe in regardless of the consequences to their self and family, I can see little benefit to do so for a people who not only don't care but who believe the lies they are fed and are willing to give away their freedoms, rights and sovereignty for the illusion of safety and security promised by those who enslave them. If and when a sufficient number of people in this country decide they've had enough of the lies, corruption and enslavement and are willing to join forces to put an end to it, I will join them. But until that day happens, I will do the best I can to take care of myself and family under the tyranny that masquerades as our Democracy.

[Tyy1907]

Grip reaper, that was a great post but I think we should reinvent the word, 'maybe' for Avalon. Because, quite frankly, there is very little about the supernatural, ETs that we know for sure.

I had the distinct impression that there was ongoing consistent interference in the mental realm going on, based partly on my own experience. It is also possible that my sense of THEM is distorted intentionally along those lines for reasons known only to them.

We just can't be in the driver's seat when trying to figure out a phenomenon that might be leading us around by the nose.

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I agree that we didn't consent to any of this. Our leaders at one time did however. Our leaders were duped.
Greys have done this on other planets as well. The know more about our physiology than us big time. Nobody even knows whats going on to boot. Anyway i'm trailing off here, I just wanted to make the distinction in the first sentence.

Again, maybe. There is some evidence based on the first hand witness testimony of apparently impeccable witnesses, but we can't know for sure if they actually are impeccable. Maybe they are lying asshats, who have done prison time.

It seems to boil down to the individual. What you feel is true. There is MUCH disinfo out there I agree. Its all trying to dupe you. I don't believe anything really. Even if my gut "likes" what it hears. I wait for validations from multiple sources, weighing them all. There are a lot of lying asshats out there. After awhile one notices the deliberate muddying of the waters. Its like sifting for gold or something. A huge validation for me recently was reading Truman Cash's two ebooks on this subject.

[AutumnW]

Tyy, Good for you. Listen to your gut, but...still...try to verify. There are lying ass clowns, for sure. Think Richard Doty. Wow. But there are also very many well intentioned people who believe what they want to believe because it feels good. there are others who believe weakly supported fantasy based stuff because it supports a weird twisted world or cosmological point of view.

[joeecho]

Milneman is a fungus. He started out under someone's toenail and look at him now! Not only is he hyper-mobile, he is a grammatically correct shapeshifting species, spreading his spores upon the earth.

Well, lets just hope he's not really Ben Ign.

[AutumnW]

I realize that calling Milneman a fungus might sound hostile. I was joking around. Should have put a smiley after it. Why not only do I like Milneman, I would be happy to supply him with the bacteria he needs to further his attempts at world domination.;). There we go!!

[Milneman]

Milneman is a fungus. He started out under someone's toenail and look at him now! Not only is he hyper-mobile, he is a grammatically correct shapeshifting species, spreading his spores upon the earth.

Resistance is futile. ;) Or is that cuticle?

[AutumnW]

Milneman is a fungus. He started out under someone's toenail and look at him now! Not only is he hyper-mobile, he is a grammatically correct shapeshifting species, spreading his spores upon the earth.

Resistance is futile. ;) Or is that cuticle?

Resistance is fertile, if you compost it!