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GuyFox
6th June 2014, 01:20
Gordon Duff Stuns the World - In His "for President" Expose
/ I don't think he is actually running for President,
but in this tour de force he shows the leadership in courage we used to expect
from "The Leader of the Free World" /
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VT Radio (6-4-14) Stew Webb, Gordon Duff, Jim Fetzer as "Gordon Unloads"
Published on Jun 4, 2014
Stew Webb & Jim Fetzer both believe this is one of Gordon Duff's best interviews! Gordon unloads on a wide range of topics. Some of the topics covered are:
The 350 stolen W54 nuclear warheads that were illegally sold out the back door when they were supposed to be destroyed by US facilities and how those weapons have been traced to Israel and were used to take down the towers during 9/11
Proof of the stolen W54 warheads through pictures of a UN recovery operation of the nuclear pits in South Africa
The nano thermite theory was a government psyop from the beginning and all who pushed it are being paid as intelligence assets including Alex Jones and many others.
How Alex Jones has been outed as controlled opposition now by pushing the Israeli Mossad asset Edward Snowden who pushes fairy tales concerning 9/11 to take blame away from the Israelis and the Bushes.
It can now be reported that the US Navy sank 2 Israeli submarines in the May 2013 time frame that were attempting to start the war with Syria. One of these submarines was sank in partial retaliation over the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. It was reported that Israel contracted with Germany to replace the two lost submarines and paid for them with nuclear weapons.
Nuclear pits used to take down the towers were machined and modified in Israel.
Victor Booth as portrayed by Nicholas Cage in the movie "Lord of War" sold these stolen nuclear pits of the US W54 nuclear weapons.
The nuclear bombs used on 9/11 were Neutron Bombs withs 3% fission initiator that vaporized much of the buildings. Dimitri Khalezov was basically right all along and that's why his videos were taken down relentlessly when they first came out!
Russian and French Intelligence are dumping a huge amount of Intelligence files to stop the US insanity of trying to start wars in Ukraine, China, Syria, etc.
US News is now being completely fabricated by the mainstream news sources. The US has no elections and is the most corrupt country on Earth at this time. Our judges are corrupt, our law enforcement is corrupt and our government doesn't answer to the people in any way.
Gordon Duff calls on everybody to get on the winning team now or be destroyed in the future.
Gordon Duff calls on all US Citizens to quit financially supporting and sending out information from known disinformation sources in the alternative media such as Alex Jones, Glenn Beck etc or wake up in a FEMA cell wishing you would have instead pushed the articles written by VeteransToday personnel - the largest and most accurate news organization on the planet that are actually doing something about things now!
swoods_blue
6th June 2014, 12:50
"Everyone who mentions nanothermites is an intelligence agent."
Wait... didn't you just mention them?
Shoot, now I just mentioned them. Damn it!
Selene
6th June 2014, 13:11
The nanothermite thing is a bit of a red herring, IMO. It seems more likely that with an op as big as demolishing the WTC, several 'layers' of demolition devices were used, including something that generated nanothermite. A 'layered' approach also fits with an old CIA tactic for concealing the truth about anything: use a 'limited hangout' - or partial truth - to throw pursuers off the scent of the deeper reality. Yeah, let them find the nasty nanothermite in case anyone goes snooping. And they'll think they've found the whole ugly story and stop looking for more....
I don't think it's to anyone's discredit that they found the thermite. And it speaks to some very good spook training or instinct for those who continued the pursuit from there. Methinks Gord is falling into the same ego trap that trips up lesser mortals when he attacks Alex Jones et al. But in this business, everyone gets a little paranoid. That's perfectly normal.
Cheers,
Selene
Snoweagle
6th June 2014, 15:11
His absolute mockery of mainstream science is encouraging especially as both he and Stew directed the listener to a preferred repository of books.
I do not waste my time listening to folks whos base message cannot be delivered without destroying, attacking and otherwise, humiliating others in the truther movement. Duff has done himself a permanent dis-service,,, if you ask me. Whatever 'truth' he posits by satire,,, is overwhelmed by his ego, and his insisting that any voice,, (other than his) is misinformation... I smell a rat...
My brother (rush limbaugh/alabama republican) consistantly derails me for being a 'conspiracy theorist'... "prove it, dumb ass"... thats his line!!! Yet at the same time,, he insists that he has a secret D.O.D. insider, who trickles info to him... I don't know what they did to him in the military,,, but he cannot see the hypocracy... Military minded folks, generally, will not. It is thier way, or nothing....
I didn't see where i could vote for: Complete trickster/joker/muse/jestor....
This is my own opinion...
Jake.
Sidney
6th June 2014, 17:10
I find that anyone who talks as fast as GD does in this interview, extremely difficult to absorb. I agree with Jake, the ego far outweighed anything informative. My way or the highway is what I got from it. That said, I cannot say if this was the motive. Perhaps if GD listens to his own interviews he might learn a better way to get his view across. I had to stop listening 15 minutes in, rather nervewracking to be honest.
Harley
6th June 2014, 19:09
Jake:
I do not waste my time listening to folks whos base message cannot be delivered without destroying, attacking and otherwise, humiliating others in the truther movement. Duff has done himself a permanent dis-service,,, if you ask me. Whatever 'truth' he posits by satire,,, is overwhelmed by his ego, and his insisting that any voice,, (other than his) is misinformation... I smell a rat...
Thanks Jake.
Glenn Canady:
Gordon Duff calls on everybody to get on the winning team now or be destroyed in the future.
Gordon Duff calls on all US Citizens to quit financially supporting and sending out information from known disinformation sources in the alternative media such as Alex Jones, Glenn Beck etc or wake up in a FEMA cell wishing you would have instead pushed the articles written by VeteransToday personnel - the largest and most accurate news organization on the planet that are actually doing something about things now!
This is just plain sad and embarrassing for me personally.
Do not think duff cares what any of you think!
It's to late for that now ....war is coming.....
Nine
jake gittes
6th June 2014, 22:51
I find Duff and VT to be one of the most believable "truth" websites out there. I have read that he has admitted some stuff on VT is disinfo, that it has to be in order not to be whacked. I haven't figured that one out yet. I have also seen statements "Duff is disinfo!" on various sites but never any proof to back it up. It's the kind of statements shills make to discredit those who aren't. And yeah, yeah, Duff has basically done that by naming Jones and Beck. So it's all up to the individual "deciders." (A little trip down bad memory lane there..) But I will continue to trust VT/Duff as reliable until I see solid proof otherwise. The articles there ring truer there than most sites.
As far as dissing other alternative sites, I don't see that very often at all in VT articles. (I don't watch many videos at all because of crappy bandwidth issues.) But, yes, Alex Jones and Glenn Beck are water-carrying fakes that too many people believe aren't and they need to be called out because THEY are the types doing major disservice to the truth movement. I give Jones credit for helping start me down the rabbit hole. But his extreme reluctance to point the finger at Israel is a huge pink elephant and he comes across as strictly fear porn. (I have read that one shouldn't trust websites with a bunch of survival supply ads! Haha.) Beck is just nuts.
http://youtu.be/iToW_l8V0Ig
Please watch this vid and ifit makes you mad you are not paying attention...
Nine
jake gittes
7th June 2014, 00:46
I don't see how that relates to this thread, unless it's about voices that annoy people. What's up with the Gomer Pyle imitation? Irony?
Wow!
You do not get this!
Nine
GuyFox
7th June 2014, 01:03
I do not waste my time listening to folks whos base message cannot be delivered without destroying, attacking and otherwise, humiliating others in the truther movement. Duff has done himself a permanent dis-service,,, if you ask me. Whatever 'truth' he posits by satire,,, is overwhelmed by his ego, and his insisting that any voice,, (other than his) is misinformation... I smell a rat...
Jake.
Huh?
You don't think people should ever disagree with passion?
Maybe I have misunderstood you.
But if do understand you : I disagree with passion.
Of course, there will be disagreements.
The Key thing is having a respectful discussion that leads towards Truth.
As an example:
I have strongly disagreed with the Dinar RV, OPPT, Swissindo...
All evidence suggests they are scams.
Even though they may be expressed with good intent, and believed by people with good intent,
IMO the only sensible approach towards these scams now is "PUT A FORK IN IT!"
At the same time, if someone comes forward with actual sound evidence to support the case for one of them,
I am open to it.
After many months, there has been no good evidence on the RV, OPPT, Swissindo - though I am open to it.
(Bring it on, if you have it.)
Fetzer did a reasonable job in examining the evidence after Duff had a disagreement on the NanoTh. - Have you seen it?
I think Duff is doing a real service, and to try to prevent people from having a disagreement is the worst
sort of political correctness.
But, Hey, maybe I misunderstood you. (if so, I am happy to change my tune)
spiritguide
7th June 2014, 01:43
Shooting the messenger always detracts from the message. It was a radio broadcast with warnings and info about what's coming down the pike. How many times do we have to be told that this war is for keeps, haven't we had enough of our lives and liberties curtailed yet? Time to take it down folks, all of the stinking mess, close the borders and try them for the crimes they have committed. There are Constitutionalist still embedded and turning things around, is it not wise to watch for them and assist if needed. IMHO
jake gittes
7th June 2014, 03:04
"Wow!
You do not get this!
Nine "
Enlighten me. Like I said, I rarely am able to watch videos because of bandwidth issues. What is the relation?
David Ansible
7th June 2014, 03:29
I have never gotten the desire of so many to bash Jones, and I dislike that Duff, someone I admire, did it.
Jones does a lot for truth. Remember, to most people, MSM types, Jones is WAY out there. He is often the
initial point of waking up for a lot of people. He spreads much truth too. He's not perfect. So what. Concentrate
your anger and dissatisfaction on Fox, CNN, NYT, etc. Why go after someone like Alex Jones, someone we
actually kind of need. As I said, I don't get it.
David,
Watch the video that I posted...
Its pure satire about a very Gay republican operative working in an office talking on the phone to the various folks that are his groups constituents.
He starts by talking to his broker and gets interrupted by a call which he takes and he changes his voice from a new york accent to a country one to cater to that customer....
He is anti gay and pro gun and as he talks to the various constituents he changes his voice and manor to suit who he is speaking with....at the end as he talks with his broker he tells him to order 200000 worth of gun stocks due to what he is stirring up in the media and asks the man on the other line for a Gay "date"....very funny stuff....but so much like how the political system works and it relates to what Gordon is talking about....It is clearly a spoof showing the hypocracy of the tea party branch of the 'publican party....
Also with satire Sean the actor and writer of these clever little video is showing the total lack of integrity within our totally corrupt political system and sad to say it is embarrassing to admit to being an American....
Jake, I hope you can watch it again to catch the satire which is a very clever way to communicate a truth....
Sorry...
Thanks
Nine
David,
I am pissed off....who did 9/11?
I am pissed off that they got away with it....there were casualties from 9/11 at my agency that I am now retired from and I won't forget....
Jones is covering for the perps and if that is not straight up enough for you I have nothing more to say to you....
Many of us in Government want to see them dangling from the end of a rope.....
Duff told us the truth ....there are no elections in America and no way to bring them to justice and when you think about that and if that does not anger you there is no hope for this country.....
Duff also talked about the "Stink" tanks that feed the tea party and of course the Bengahzi bs and the even stranger BS of the Bundy ranch deal....
Duff told us that we are being played like fiddles and I am livid pissed off.....I am paying attention....
Nine
"Everyone who mentions nanothermites is an intelligence agent."
Wait... didn't you just mention them?
Shoot, now I just mentioned them. Damn it!
you can not fix stupid....
Nine
GuyFox
7th June 2014, 04:33
I have never gotten the desire of so many to bash Jones, and I dislike that Duff, someone I admire, did it.
Jones does a lot for truth. Remember, to most people, MSM types, Jones is WAY out there. He is often the
initial point of waking up for a lot of people. He spreads much truth too. He's not perfect. So what. Concentrate
your anger and dissatisfaction on Fox, CNN, NYT, etc. Why go after someone like Alex Jones, someone we
actually kind of need. As I said, I don't get it.
I agree with you.
Jones is the first step for many on the ladder to seeing the Bigger Picture.
Duff isn't the top of the ladder, since I think someone like Linda Moulton Howe, or Dr Richard Alan Miller may have a more complete Big Picture view.
If you are interested in LMH's Big View, this might help:
kh8gOgK8oWk
I hope to do something similar with Dr RAM someday soon
This is for you cow "manure" sniffers...
Now this is pure satire from Sean Healey about the bundy ranch...
He is just copying the anarchy rights won by one Cliven Bundy and he is putting on Bundy fest....a clothing optional gay friendly event across the street from the bundy ranch....
Militia support has been promised and then that support has been withdrawn because it appears that the Mormon element in the community is homophobic and they don't like hippies.
I kind of don't get that with the morons ...ah....Mormons since they can have many wives....well it seems silly to me that being Gay or being a hippie is an issue....
Well Bundy fest looks like an awesome event....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSsf8iEIdEc
And it looks like our lord and savior Jesus Christ has had a personal word or two with our Clive....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJYSVrjANwY
And of course hey ....its the focking internet right???
Nine
I second the nomination....
Gordon Duff for president!!!
Since I am upon a roll here I propose that the internet is a total idiocracy....
The idiots run the place with there endless shill posts....of course they get paid for there nonsense and the rest of us normal folks simply react to the bull****.....as it were....
Gordon in his rant with Stew Webb asked an important question....how do the shills live....I mean how do they support themselves and their families?
They go here and they go there as Duff says and no one asks any questions....what the ****?
Stupid is as stupid does I guess...
Just thinking out loud....
Nine
GuyFox
7th June 2014, 06:02
THere is some evidence that Israel for years employed people to "pa-troll" the web, and seek out antisemitic comments and posters, and engage them in battle.
In some cases, they also pretended to be anti-semitic to make it seem there was a job for the ADL, and a need to fund it.
I think there is less of this going on since it was exposed. But I cannot believe it has stopped altogether.
If Israel was doing it, there must be many others (who need protecting? - or spin to stay in business) doing the same.
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BTW, I was surprised to see that, VT was regarded this way:
"Mostly fantasy and misinformation"
By 5 people!
I really wonder who thinks that way???
Maybe someone could say:
WHO does a better job at reporting the News?
If you think: "The Main Stream Media" - are you will to defend that idea?
Since my thinking cap is on....
Wade Fraser of Avalon talks about free energy and personal integrity and how the two go hand and hand....
Gordon is telling us about government and its total lack of personal integrity and the consequences of such things.
The two are related....all governments are corrupt and that is fact and so what Gordon is talking about is a private non governmental group of concerned human beings.....which I am one of those if that is true....
I am going to have to listen to Gordon's talk one more time even though his words are so painful to hear on a personal level....
Wade talks of Godzilla and his activities and so Godzilla is in factions now and how this plays out is any ones guess....
I am so pro American that I might be blinded to a pro humanity approach to thinking upon such issues....
Gordon is a good man....
Well dearest Avalon thanks for listening to my rants...
Nine
GuyFox
7th June 2014, 06:17
"Wade Fraser of Avalon talks about free energy and personal integrity and how the two go hand and hand...."
I'm not sure what that means.
But I think personal integrity means: Restricting your use of Energy (somewhat) at least until Free Energy devices have been built and are being distributed widely. If you do otherwise, you are ROBBING future generations IMO.
It think it is shameful beyond words that Americans waste so much Energy, and burn gasoline in such a careless way.
If the US dollar collapses, gasoline will go up to $10 per gallon rather quickly, a price that it should have been a long time ago (and IS, in many countries in the world !)
If Americans start whining then, I truly think they will simply be getting what they deserve.
All those Wars that were fought to protect US interests in energy, should never have been fought. And only a few awake and aware Americans like Ron Paul, were willing to talk about it.
http://www.konsultacia.biz/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/alarm-clock-ringing-at-six-gt1fng5i.jpg
I am American and also pro-American - but certainly not pro-Sleeping-Americans, and there are so very many of those, including idiot politicians who talk about immoral ideas like: American Exceptionalism. And if suffering is what is needed to wake them up, it is sad - but BRING IT ON !
Dearest Guy,
Upon being a Jew or of Judaism....
My Jewish friends who were mostly atheists and socialists and folks looking for the best in humanity listened to my Christian Zionist rants until I woke up....
No Jew that I know looks at alex jones or any of his foolishness....
No Jew that I know looks at the war mongering Baptist church....
The Jews I know are progressive and pro freedom...
Now you would say look at those Jews running the American Government....ahh that is the problem that needs to be discussed which is political Zionism not a religion but a political movement....
Simply explain to me how I present this to my 17 year old home schooled daughter who is free of American school indoctrination?
That is a good one...
Nine
GuyFox
7th June 2014, 06:26
I am not anti-semitic.
I know too many fine Jewish people to think that way.
But I do think that Zionists are another matter altogether. They use the Jewish religion in the same way that a Wolf might use sheep's clothing.
Zionist Israel has much to answer for, and has not be a force for peace on this planet IMO.
Is there really any sense in allowing Dual Citizens into our government, or central bank, in leadership roles. To which country are they loyal?
"Wade Fraser of Avalon talks about free energy and personal integrity and how the two go hand and hand...."
I'm not sure what that means.
But I think personal integrity means: Restricting your use of Energy (somewhat) at least until Free Energy devices have been built and are being distributed widely. If you do otherwise, you are ROBBING future generations IMO.
It think it is shameful beyond words that Americans waste so much Energy, and burn gasoline in such a careless way.
If the US dollar collapses, gasoline will go up to $10 per gallon rather quickly, a price that it should have been a long time ago (and IS, in many countries in the world !)
If Americans start whining then, I truly think they will simply be getting what they deserve.
All those Wars that were fought to protect US interests in energy, should never have been fought. And only a few awake and aware Americans like Ron Paul, were willing to talk about it.
http://www.konsultacia.biz/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/alarm-clock-ringing-at-six-gt1fng5i.jpg
I am American and also pro-American - but certainly not pro-Sleeping-Americans, and there are so very many of those, including idiot politicians who talk about immoral ideas like: American Exceptionalism. And if suffering is what is needed to wake them up, it is sad - but BRING IT ON !
Dearest guy....with much love...
That is not what Wade is talking about...
Wade talks about merely thinking about abundance and what free energy would provide.
Wade says that everything revolves around energy and to think of a human pardine without scarcity is what we must concentrate upon.
Wade says that there is no way to elude Godzilla but to make him obsolete....
I know government and it is seriously focked up....
Take that or leave that....
Nine
Dearest Guy,
How indeed do I explain this to my unindoctrinated home schooled daughter?
We are Christian nominally but with little indoctrination....Freedom of thought is practiced in my house....
Live is so very very good...
to each his own...
Nine
personal integrity and free energy are one and the same...
What Gordon talks about and that is what Tesla dreamed about is here now in black projects....it is here and America paid for it...**** do you see that....
The American founders did not believe in mob rule which is democracy they believed in limited government based upon the rule of law and a system of elected people from the people to govern correctly...if that people were properly educated...
Total corruption and the possibility of such was not on the mind of our founders....as it were....they thought if we set up a perfect system we would have a perfect government...how has that worked out for us....so far....
Well we have the mob all fired up upon Benghazi and the Bundy ranch and other such nonsense ....and the mob is a bunch of idiots that can not nor will they ever be permitted to rule....
And this ties into the government and Godzilla which Wade so eloquently speaks about....
Some say Gordon Duff is an elitist but I would say he is more of a protector of our humanity....
The governments of this world are torn about in faction for power and rule and yet the rest of humanity like where I live is in peace and quiet and living a good life...until stirred by faction such as in the Ukraine....
Avalon is full of good folk and you all had better wake up....
Nine
It has occurred to me at least is that the American bureaucratic system is perfect upon its nature....
And that its perfect lack of integrety on its nature have seemed to have collided in a poetic nature...
Integrity and bureaucracy go together....
without integrity bureaucracy can not function....
so they took integrate out of the society...and replaced it with... something else....Nothing....something...what I do not know...
degrade the society and degrade the system of bureaucracy.....
Think about all of this if you wish to help in any manor...
Nine
jake gittes
7th June 2014, 13:34
Okay I gotcha now, nine. Thanks for clarifying. I should have clarified my comment -- with my bandwidth issues, I didn't see any of Gordon's video unfortunately and I only watched some of the satirical one you posted and clicked off before I saw enough. I agree with you re: Gordon. He seems like the real deal. I also agree w/you on phony pandering and fake movements and movements that are hijacked for political purposes. I wish more people saw through this kind of stuff but even on alternative sites, you see people arguing over stuff TPTB want them to argue over. The Bergdahl story is the latest. It smells like pure psyops (or ZI-OPS) to me to distract from something else they don't want people paying attention to. Yet huge arguments rage, instigated often by fly-by shills I believe, but drawing in those whose emotional buttons have deftly been pushed.
jake gittes
7th June 2014, 13:41
They replaced integrity with infiltration, nine. They have infiltrated to the hilt. They have infiltrated the government and infiltrated the media (or I probably should say "in-filth-trated" the media). There are Project Mockingbird footprints all over mainstream media "news" and Project Zionized (?) the "entertainment" industry with such base, degrading sleaze and stupidity, they have undermined and destroyed culture and turned it into a foul cesspool of ignorance, perversion, and debauchery. That's why it is broken down beyond all repair.
I do not waste my time listening to folks whos base message cannot be delivered without destroying, attacking and otherwise, humiliating others in the truther movement. Duff has done himself a permanent dis-service,,, if you ask me. Whatever 'truth' he posits by satire,,, is overwhelmed by his ego, and his insisting that any voice,, (other than his) is misinformation... I smell a rat...
Jake.
Huh?
You don't think people should ever disagree with passion?
Maybe I have misunderstood you.
But if do understand you : I disagree with passion.
Of course, there will be disagreements.
The Key thing is having a respectful discussion that leads towards Truth.
As an example:
I have strongly disagreed with the Dinar RV, OPPT, Swissindo...
All evidence suggests they are scams.
Even though they may be expressed with good intent, and believed by people with good intent,
IMO the only sensible approach towards these scams now is "PUT A FORK IN IT!"
At the same time, if someone comes forward with actual sound evidence to support the case for one of them,
I am open to it.
After many months, there has been no good evidence on the RV, OPPT, Swissindo - though I am open to it.
(Bring it on, if you have it.)
Fetzer did a reasonable job in examining the evidence after Duff had a disagreement on the NanoTh. - Have you seen it?
I think Duff is doing a real service, and to try to prevent people from having a disagreement is the worst
sort of political correctness.
But, Hey, maybe I misunderstood you. (if so, I am happy to change my tune)
I think everyone should be passionate about their message. So do you posit that passion cannot be expressed without attacking/insulting/ LIEING/ humiliating others... There should be plenty of subject matter to be passionate about. The fact that this man CANNOT FUNCTION WITHOUT ATTACKING OTHERS is revealing, to say the least. Look,,, i have misgivings about any human who has to prop themselves up by tearing someones else down!!!
Again,,, I challange anyone who takes Duffs lead to please, THINK FOR YOURSELF!!! Damn near every single person that champions Gordon Duff (that i know personally) is a rude insulting arrogant person who cannot think for themselves. This has been my experience,,, sorry.
There is a gambit afoot! Divide and conquer... What happens to the truther movement once the favorite spokespersons have begun trying to destroy one another??
So who are the 'misinfo' jockeys??? Litmis test: Who is out there trying to destroy/discredit/humiliate/insult/attack the others??
Nine,, I am quite sure that Duff deosn't care what ANYONE thinks... he has his own world to protect!!!! Duff has adopted a tendency to protect his version of the truth,, Not THE truth. If i were in the position that Duff is in,, i would champion opposing views. I would admit when i was wrong, and make an effort to give credit to others who are on the same team. WHEN HAS GORDON DUFF EVER DONE THIS???
Revealing,,,, folks!!!
If one has blindly accepted the view of another without regard for ones own thoughts,,, it makes sense that one would get angry when their 'master' was being called out!!!
Whenever one point a finger at another,, there are three pointing back at him...
My friend... Disagreeing is fine,,, it is inevitable in many cases.... I can disagree with you without trying to destroy you, attack you, discredit you, insult you, disrespect you... etc...
Passion in discourse is perfectly acceptable. Maybe you haven't given it much thought, but why can't Gordon Duff function without attacking others? Serious question here!! A template that Limbaugh laid out for us!! Make fun of the other side,, and you don't NEED facts to back up you opinion..
EFFIN BRILLIANT....
If Duff was an Avalonian,,, I would keep a close eye on him because i know that he cannot discours with someone who disagrees without insulting them... And that does NOT fly here!! We are disagreeing right now,,, am I insulting you? No!! Are you insulting me? No! Are we making progress?? HELL YES WERE MAKING PROGRESS... :):)
Forgive me please if my rant about Duff offends you... I will do my part to try and understand this with a more clear perspective... Will you do the same??
Luv you guys,,
Jake.
spiritguide
7th June 2014, 17:24
.... Jake, why don't you go to VT and confront Duff about your concerns. Go nose to nose with him about facts and proof. Many a curtain is being lifted around the world and many more will be exposed. The deceptions are different at every level and there is hardly any more intelligence left in proper analysis. Half truths and omitting vital information is the trade mark of most schills.
"Again,,, I challange anyone who takes Duffs lead to please, THINK FOR YOURSELF!!! Damn near every single person that champions Gordon Duff (that i know personally) is a rude insulting arrogant person who cannot think for themselves. This has been my experience,,, sorry."
A lot of Avalonians might not agree with you!
"If Duff was an Avalonian,,, I would keep a close eye on him because i know that he cannot discours with someone who disagrees without insulting them... And that does NOT fly here!!"
See above.
Peace!
ThePythonicCow
7th June 2014, 20:04
Damn near every single person that champions Gordon Duff (that i know personally) is a rude insulting arrogant person who cannot think for themselves. This has been my experience,,, sorry.
Well ... I'm not sure what are the nuances of the word "champions" in your statement ... but I do read a fair portion of what Gordon Duff writes with interest, expecting to find some useful information in and amongst the disinformation and dissension.
Sometimes he has what I consider important information, such as the Russian intelligence reports he passed on recently that the WTC twin towers were destroyed primarily by small nukes that the Israeli's recycled and remanufactured from US "discards".
Pretty much all sources at my disposal, including my own brain, are highly imperfect. So, like the down and out person eating from the dumpster behind a restaurant, I take what I can get, knowing full well it may be the death of me yet, from food poisoning or similar.
Correction ... all sources that I am aware of :).
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I do pick and choose what to eat in what I can find in the dumpster of life. One thing I have learned that I currently suspect is right: The reasons that my verbal brain offers up for what I choose and what I reject are mostly gibberish.
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P.S. -- I do agree, Jake, that there is a more than ample supply of disinformation and dissension in the writings of Gordon Duff.
Thank you to everyobody here who approaches this subject with respect and dignity towards others... I was never under the impression that everyone at Avalon had to agree.. Not so. Part of what sets Avalonians apart from others is that they have the ability to discourse without personal attacks and insults and lies and disrespect and ridicule,,, (i could go on and on)
The truth is the truth,, without regards who is talking about it... I have a big problem with Gorduff deciding for everyone that HIS team is the winning team!!! I hadn't realized it was a competition.. The responsible thing to do would be to perhaps point out where he agrees or disagrees with others,,, NOT to discredit and destroy them, in a blatent effort to prop yourself up as the leader of a grass roots movement.. Is that really what this is about?? Because if it is, then Gordon IS right,,, his 'team' is not where i want to be!!
I go to manymany places for information. I haven't come accross a single source who has all the peices of the puzzle... It doesn't work like that.
For the record,, i have sent a couple of email requests to Duffs team. Still waitning for a response. (maybe I'll hold my breath) :) just kidding,, maybe that was a bit unfair,,, my apologies...
I wonder if we were to ask Gordon about UFO's or OBE's or Shapeshifting Reptilians,, if we would get a responsible, intelligent answer...
I love your challenge for me to face off with Gorduff. That would be a hoot. He would walk all over me in the subject matter that he is most knowlegeable in,,, and then he would ridicule me and insult me on the stuff that I was most knowlegeable in.. If i know something that he doesn't,,,, he would craft it in a way that made ME look ignorant.
There are different 'front lines' where the battles over the hearts and minds of the people of planet earth are being engaged.. And we need the kinds of leaders that can take what they do best and confront the truth from that angle. We need Alex Jones, to be Alex Jones, We need David Icke to be David Icke, We need Bill Ryan to be Bill Ryan, We need Bob Dean to be Bob Dean... What we DON'T need is for anyobody to claim that it is ONLY THEM that can save the world...
I am sure that between Alex and Bob and Bill and David etc... there will be plenty of disagreements. That is fine,, overall,, we are ALL on the same team.. What kind of true leader cannot see that???
So some of the finest minds that i know are telling me that i am wrong regarding Gorduff... I will take it into consideration.. Thank you...
Jake.
ThePythonicCow
7th June 2014, 22:13
So some of the finest minds that i know are telling me that i am wrong regarding Gorduff... I will take it into consideration.. Thank you...
We're probably just commenting on different aspects of a more subtle whole.
GuyFox
8th June 2014, 03:07
:confused:
... The fact that this man CANNOT FUNCTION WITHOUT ATTACKING OTHERS is revealing, to say the least. Look,,, i have misgivings about any human who has to prop themselves up by tearing someones else down!!!
Again,,, I challange anyone who takes Duffs lead to please, THINK FOR YOURSELF!!! Damn near every single person that champions Gordon Duff (that i know personally) is a rude insulting arrogant person who cannot think for themselves. This has been my experience,,, sorry.
Jake.
Goodness me, Jake.
Have you no sense of irony?
You have just "sent yourself up", as they say in the UK
Snoweagle
8th June 2014, 10:44
I am astonished at the conflict raised and the discernment lost with the content that Duff presented. Nor am I to criticise the views of others here, however, when I heard the discussion, it meant something else, it was the "what isn't being said" that intrigued me; which I did originally write into my earlier post, but deleted it, as I thought it would be picked up by others.
At the start of the interview, Duff admitted to lying on his bed with back trouble, having just recieved an steroid injection and taken some painkillers. Furthermore, he was drinking strong black coffee, (which lasted for about 30 minutes). His wife was present, certainly during the start, probably concerned over the temperment and frustration that Duff has pent up, probably suggesting he say the safe things publicly, so as to alleviate or displace the dependance "the world" has placed on people LIKE him.
He's a ex US Marine. Done the real stuff. He is a successful business man in the field of corporate spying with satellites and secret stuff, having friends in both camps of good and evil. It is an exclusive position to be in, fraught with continual danger which places a constraining influence on everything he does and says. Whether he knows the truth or not, doesn't matter, especially if the reader or listener excludes any discernmet or active research into his revelations.
So what we heard, I contest, is a data dump. We heard some things that are doing the rounds in higher places. We heard some things that we ARE EXPECTED to accept as being true. We heard criticism of others that are WARNINGS. We heard, and I love this one, the abject MOCKERY of mainstream science (which I concur) and we heard the messianic mockery alluding to his status, by indoctrinated foolish human conditioning, the very thing he set out to squash by this interview I believe. In effect he was concerned at the direction of perception the world has of itself.
He described the activities of rogue nations, of rogue dispora, the negative influence of rogue alternative media, the quiet and diminishing resistance and the corruption of the "understanding" for future generations.
Whether anything he said is true or not, I DO NOT CARE. I will find out in my own time, should I find it necessary to do so.
Our world is a lie. Everything we accept as normal IS NOT NATURAL. There is no higher deity. And virtually everything you (we) believe in is contrary to the natural evolutionary process on Earth (and the cosmos).
So Duffs commentary to me was less insightful but a warning. That is why I left a simple comment to others to investigate some of the "non conforming" science books available from [Projects.Nsearch.com]. Consider, his diatribe a precursor introduction to doing so.
mountain_jim
8th June 2014, 12:48
Damn near every single person that champions Gordon Duff (that i know personally) is a rude insulting arrogant person who cannot think for themselves. This has been my experience,,, sorry.
Well ... I'm not sure what are the nuances of the word "champions" in your statement ... but I do read a fair portion of what Gordon Duff writes with interest, expecting to find some useful information in and amongst the disinformation and dissension.
Sometimes he has what I consider important information, such as the Russian intelligence reports he passed on recently that the WTC twin towers were destroyed primarily by small nukes that the Israeli's recycled and remanufactured from US "discards".
Pretty much all sources at my disposal, including my own brain, are highly imperfect. So, like the down and out person eating from the dumpster behind a restaurant, I take what I can get, knowing full well it may be the death of me yet, from food poisoning or similar.
Correction ... all sources that I am aware of :).
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I do pick and choose what to eat in what I can find in the dumpster of life. One thing I have learned that I currently suspect is right: The reasons that my verbal brain offers up for what I choose and what I reject are mostly gibberish.
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P.S. -- I do agree, Jake, that there is a more than ample supply of disinformation and dissension in the writings of Gordon Duff.
This most closely approximates my view of Duff - who I will continue to read without 'championing'.
He is not the only provider of 'food for thought' and well-reasoned arguments about various conspiracy subjects on the VT site, however.
EYES WIDE OPEN
8th June 2014, 16:31
I do not waste my time listening to folks whos base message cannot be delivered without destroying, attacking and otherwise, humiliating others in the truther movement. Duff has done himself a permanent dis-service,,, if you ask me. Whatever 'truth' he posits by satire,,, is overwhelmed by his ego, and his insisting that any voice,, (other than his) is misinformation... I smell a rat...
Gotta agree with this. Well said.
The "anyone who mentions nanothermite is an agent" made me laugh. I must be one of those "sleeper" agents that works in a local library. I am a deadly ninja NSA mind control agent! Mwhahaha! Maybe Gorden can explain to me why the NSA have not paid me yet? Could do with the money!
A while back Duff was the individul promoting the rumor that there was an UFO battle currently happening in the pacific ocean...My question to reporters of the news and not just Duff isnt there a responsibility to the public?
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Selene
8th June 2014, 17:32
We need Alex Jones, to be Alex Jones, We need David Icke to be David Icke, We need Bill Ryan to be Bill Ryan, We need Bob Dean to be Bob Dean... What we DON'T need is for anyobody to claim that it is ONLY THEM that can save the world...
Jake.
Damn, Jake. My thanks are simply not enough to express my appreciation here. Your comment goes to the very essence of what we - all of us - are about here.
Write on, my friend. (And everyone on this thread as well, of course!)
Cheers,
Selene
ThePythonicCow
8th June 2014, 20:33
Gordon Duff does not speak off-the-cuff with the precision that someone like Paul LaViolette, Joseph P. Farrell or James Corbett speaks, so if I have to make an "adjustment" in his words, consistent with his larger message, to make them more accurate in my interpretation, I do so readily.
As an example, when he said that anyone mentioning nano-thermite was an intelligence agent, I "heard" this as him saying that anyone who championed nano-thermite as the primary cause of the destruction of the WTC towers was "as good as" (perhaps unconsciously and inadvertantly so) an asset of the intelligence agencies covering up 9/11. I entirely agree with this "sympathetic interpretation" of what Duff said, and I have long recommended that anyone who continues to champion nano-thermite as the primary destructive agent used on the WTC towers, and who is not being paid to do so, sue for back pay.
There's just no way in Hades that any form of thermite has either (1) the explosive velocity or (2) the energy density to have been the primary destructive agent that caused the clearly observed and indisputable rapid dustification and/or vaporization with high velocity expelled large structural elements, the nearly instant and total loss of structural integrity of the entire WTC tower supporting steel columns and beams, simultaneously on most floors, much less to have caused the effects best explained as consequences of "exotic energy mechanisms" (which I suspect could include the brief but very high neutron density emissions of small nukes engineered for that effect.)
ThePythonicCow
8th June 2014, 21:01
a warning
Yes - the key message of Gordon Duff is a warning - a seriously important warning.
GuyFox
8th June 2014, 22:54
Gordon Duff does not speak off-the-cuff with the precision that someone like Paul LaViolette, Joseph P. Farrell or James Corbett speaks, so if I have to make an "adjustment" in his words, consistent with his larger message, to make them more accurate in my interpretation, I do so readily.
As an example, when he said that anyone mentioning nano-thermite was an intelligence agent, I "heard" this as him saying that anyone who championed nano-thermite as the primary cause of the destruction of the WTC towers was "as good as" (perhaps unconsciously and inadvertantly so) an asset of the intelligence agencies covering up 9/11. I entirely agree with this "sympathetic interpretation" of what Duff said, and I have long recommended that anyone who continues to champion nano-thermite as the primary destructive agent used on the WTC towers, and who is not being paid to do so, sue for back pay.
There's just no way in Hades that any form of thermite has either (1) the explosive velocity or (2) the energy density to have been the primary destructive agent that caused the clearly observed and indisputable rapid dustification and/or vaporization with high velocity expelled large structural elements, the nearly instant and total loss of structural integrity of the entire WTC tower supporting steel columns and beams, simultaneously on most floors, much less to have caused the effects best explained as consequences of "exotic energy mechanisms" (which I suspect could include the brief but very high neutron density emissions of small nukes engineered for that effect.)
Yes, Paul.
I heard that too, and it bothered me a bit.
I think your "adjusted" interpretation is spot-on.
I heard the Duff Interview two days before my latest with Dr Richard Alan Miller, and I think the summary I was (therefore) able to give in the interview (at 12 minutes in) helped to trigger a much more interesting interview:
(Jump in at 12 minutes - and see if you agree):
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ARE SNOWDEN, and those who helped him WHITE HATS ?
And are the "White Hat Insiders" now cooperating with Russia and China,
to defeat the "shadow secret government" within the US?
NOTES:
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+ NASA, the future of war :
+ The transhuman agenda is turning us into warrior slaves... or eliminating us
+ We need to ask the right questions: What to do with those who cannot become Superhuman, is a dark question, and not the right one to ask
+ We got invaded about 200,000 years ago by something that modified our DNA
+ Aliens are here and they are hiding inside us, IN OUR DNA
+ The battle for our future - and the battle to stay alive - is inside us
+ We need the right intentions ("we are responsible for our own thoughts"), and to set the right example for the young, who we will leave behind to fix the world
+ Good water is maybe more important than good food
+ Water, especially EZ (Exclusion Zone) Water can receive and hold our intentions
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"Near the beginning of the conversation, Dr Miller refers to a presentation done for NASA and some alphabet agencies. I was initially reluctant to go down this path, since it had seemed very dark, and I was unprepared. By the end, I was glad I had done so. Dr Miller, as usual provided a fresh perspective that allows us to see a different path. We can break the pattern of endless war, and constant fear, by finding the courage to look inside ourselves for new questions, new answers and all-important positive intentions. We need to seek a greater appreciation of the importance of Water, the Elixir of Life that swims inside us, and without whose magical properties we would not be God's chosen creatures... of precious imagination, and positive emotion."
Dr Miller was being careful in not fully accepting my summary, and you can read whatever you like into that. But I do think the above summary of our chat shows how Duff's revelations may help to CHANGE THE DEBATE.
GuyFox
9th June 2014, 02:19
A while back Duff was the individul promoting the rumor that there was an UFO battle currently happening in the pacific ocean...My question to reporters of the news and not just Duff isnt there a responsibility to the public?
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Er, how do you know that this was NOT going on?
The news that a major Undersea Base may have been "DISCOVERED" (on GoogleMaps) off the coast of Malibu, suggests there may be far more going AT SEA, in the Pacific, than we have been "told" by our media.
You should also listen to this interview by Jimmy Church with Dr Steven Greer:
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It seems like we are now getting several big revelations per week - and not just on VT. The White Hat Insiders are beginning to behave as if they believe the Time has come, to SPILL THE BEANS ! ... at long last.
Dr Greer alludes to some of the same physics (a bubble following a Submarine) that Dr Miller did in the interview - Dr RAM described it more fully.
EYES WIDE OPEN
9th June 2014, 09:56
Gordon Duff does not speak off-the-cuff with the precision that someone like Paul LaViolette, Joseph P. Farrell or James Corbett speaks, so if I have to make an "adjustment" in his words, consistent with his larger message, to make them more accurate in my interpretation, I do so readily.
As an example, when he said that anyone mentioning nano-thermite was an intelligence agent, I "heard" this as him saying that anyone who championed nano-thermite as the primary cause of the destruction of the WTC towers was "as good as" (perhaps unconsciously and inadvertantly so) an asset of the intelligence agencies covering up 9/11. I entirely agree with this "sympathetic interpretation" of what Duff said, and I have long recommended that anyone who continues to champion nano-thermite as the primary destructive agent used on the WTC towers, and who is not being paid to do so, sue for back pay.
;) You already think I am agent Paul so its no surprise you would jump on this. I will refrain from saying what I think about champions of Judy Wood. :peep:
I do not waste my time listening to folks whos base message cannot be delivered without destroying, attacking and otherwise, humiliating others in the truther movement. Duff has done himself a permanent dis-service,,, if you ask me. Whatever 'truth' he posits by satire,,, is overwhelmed by his ego, and his insisting that any voice,, (other than his) is misinformation... I smell a rat...
Gotta agree with this. Well said.
The "anyone who mentions nanothermite is an agent" made me laugh. I must be one of those "sleeper" agents that works in a local library. I am a deadly ninja NSA mind control agent! Mwhahaha! Maybe Gorden can explain to me why the NSA have not paid me yet? Could do with the money!
Chill dude. It was a joke. :rolleyes: Not everything has to be broken down to the nth degree. If I did sue for back pay, I would get further in the courts than Judy Wood ever did. :p :cool: (Besides which, I think the towers fell via a number of DIFFERENT mechanisms, nuclear AND nanothermite included but NOT space rays. . Anyway... I don't like duff at ALL either. But some of his stuff IS interesting.
EYES WIDE OPEN
9th June 2014, 10:02
Duff needs to get together with the "agents" of Nanothermite and have a debate. Something I would like to see. I really do think there is middle ground here where both could work together so gain a better understanding.
GuyFox
9th June 2014, 10:38
Duff needs to get together with the "agents" of Nanothermite and have a debate. Something I would like to see. I really do think there is middle ground here where both could work together so gain a better understanding.
Jim Fetzer has penned a piece (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/24/christopher-bollyn-thermite-sniffer-attacks-gordon-duff-as-911-disinfo-agent/) that may settle the matter.
Have you seen it?
Respect, folks,,, respect and dignity towards one another. I just can't get enough!! :)
Excellent points regarding Gordan Duff. I love that we have some of the smartest folks in the world, right here at Avalon.
I don't want to make any more insults regarding Gordon. ("Be who you are, Gordon!" Jake.)
As i learn to approach Gordons message with an altered attitude, I am learning more and more about our friend Gordon...
Please folks, correct me if I am wrong, but here are a couple of more facts about Gordon Duff... (if it is out of context,, please call me on it!!)
Let's start with a Gordon Duff Quote, shall we?
“About 30% of what’s on Veterans Today is patently false. About 40% of what I write is at least purposely partially false, because if I didn’t write false information, I wouldn’t be alive.“ Gordon Duff!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m-ZY0R1HdQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m-ZY0R1HdQ
(So I am really having a hard time with any argument that suggests that Duff is legit and truthful.)
With that said, here is another fun tid-bit..
There is a group called the Adumus Group, maybe you've heard of it...
Incase you haven't,, here is the lowdown.
"The Adamus Group, which is a worldwide intelligence gathering corporation that manages worldwide databases on behalf of the U.S. NSA (National Security Agency), and then shares their intelligence gathering capability with national intelligence agencies, U.S. law enforcement and the criminal banking giants that have looted the U.S. Treasury and placed the entire savings deposits of Americans, who have their funds in the aforementioned banks, at risk.
American citizens’ deposits have now been categorized as a counter party to the derivative exposure of worldwide banks aka the MF Global-PFG debacle.
Adamus Group aka German Nazi Paperclip is directly tied to the privately owned U.S. Federal Reserve and the massive manipulation of worldwide financial markets using electronic software programmed “Next Gen” technology that allows the crooked worldwide banks to have 5 – 7 seconds lead time on all worldwide financial trading.
The Adamus Group is also linked to the control of U.S. media outlets aka CNN, FOX News, NBC, ABC, and the financial network Bloomberg News.
We can now also report that the Adamus Group is under the direct control of former U.S. Vice pResident (German Nazi Paperclip orchestra leader) Dick Cheney and current Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/the-adamus-group-exposed-its-nazi-paperclip/44697"
Here (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06/16/disclosure-adamus-board-addition/) is the VT article announcing that Gordon Duff has been appointed to the American Sector Board of Directors of the Adumus Group...
Now let me ask again... Is this the guy that is touting himself the leader of the truther movement???
By admission,,, 40% of the information coming from VT is disinfo!!! GORDON DUFF MADE IT UP!!!
Morally, I cannot repeat anything Gordon says as fact!!
It has been revealing, though!!!
I need to point out here that just because i am calling out Gorduff,, it doesn't mean that i am Calling YOU out... Just letting you all know that Gorduff is NOT the leader in valid information that folks think that he is!!!
If i'm wrong, then I'm wrong... Please show me where i am wrong...
Love to all,
Jake.
GuyFox
9th June 2014, 16:13
NICE TRY, Jake
But no one is buying your edited cut-and-paste
Here's what needs to be done in the US: Get rid of the powerful 1%,
pulling the strings on the US Congress:
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Mayve Mr Putin could come to the US after his retirement in Russia
ThePythonicCow
9th June 2014, 17:41
By admission,,, 40% of the information coming from VT is disinfo!!! GORDON DUFF MADE IT UP!!!
Morally, I cannot repeat anything Gordon says as fact!!
I can't take anything as fact, just because someone said it :).
Over time, various people gain (and lose) credibility, for certain kinds of facts and insights, on certain subjects, ... but all must be weighed in light of my own hunches and observations, and in light of what others bring to the table.
P.S. -- Truth in these matters is difficult to ascertain. "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible contradictory things before breakfast.". -- The Queen to Alice, in "Through the Looking-Glass" (Lewis Carroll).
ThePythonicCow
9th June 2014, 18:01
If I did sue for back pay, I would get further in the courts than Judy Wood ever did. :p :cool: (Besides which, I think the towers fell via a number of DIFFERENT mechanisms, nuclear AND
nanothermite included but NOT space rays. . Anyway... I don't like duff at ALL either. But some of his stuff IS interesting.
As I've noted earlier in my various replies to these recent "Russian intelligence" leaks by Gordon Duff, pointing the finger at Israeli nukes, my view on Judy Wood's work has changed. In my view, she's still the best compiler of photographic evidence of what happened at the WTC on 9/11, bar none, but I currently figure that the "energy weapons" she finds good evidence of are those nukes. She is not a nuclear bomb physicist.
The evidence against any form of thermite being the primary source of the destructive energy evidenced in the two 10 second intervals when the towers were destroyed is overwhelming and compelling. I continue to find no credibility in conjectures to the contrary.
NICE TRY, Jake
But no one is buying your edited cut-and-paste
I put into quotes, and have shown my sources to the material that i have shown... The quoted section clearly has the source indicated...
My apologies for the confusing quoting,,, Do you have an opinion on the subject matter that I raised? or just the bad quoting job??
I can spend a lifetime discerning through material from sources.. What am I supposed to make of one of them telling me that almost half of it is NOT the truth? Oh boy,,, Sorry, but i am crossing hem off mee list of valid sources...
(Truth is,, he never was in the first place.)
Please understand, I do not go around bashing Gordon Duff. This discussion is on track, as far as i see it..
Jake.
By admission,,, 40% of the information coming from VT is disinfo!!! GORDON DUFF MADE IT UP!!!
Morally, I cannot repeat anything Gordon says as fact!!
I can't take anything as fact, just because someone said it :).
Over time, various people gain (and lose) credibility, for certain kinds of facts and insights, on certain subjects, ... but all must be weighed in light of my own hunches and observations, and in light of what others bring to the table.
P.S. -- Truth in these matters is difficult to ascertain. "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible contradictory things before breakfast.". -- The Queen to Alice, in "Through the Looking-Glass" (Lewis Carroll).
:) Of course,, i did not mean to say 'fact',, i meant 'truth' "I cannot repeat anything Gordon Duff says as 'truth'"
(public apologies for the bad quoting job...)
I get it. thank you.. I have to trust my instinct on this one. Perhaps his style of "truth" is not for everyone..
Cheers.
Jake.
ThePythonicCow
9th June 2014, 19:07
I get it. thank you.. I have to trust my instinct on this one. Perhaps his style of "truth" is not for everyone..
I'd put Gordon Duff on suicide watch if he was ever presented with convincing evidence that his style was "for everyone" <grin>.
GuyFox
9th June 2014, 23:09
Okay, Jake.
Here are my precise objections:
+ Why slur Adamus, by calling it "Adumus"? I don't find that funny or clever.
You excerpted the following:
"Tom Heneghan Explosive Intelligence Briefings
UNITED STATES of America - The Adamus Group, which is a worldwide intelligence gathering corporation that manages worldwide databases on behalf of the U.S. NSA (National Security Agency), and then shares their intelligence gathering capability with national intelligence agencies, U.S. law enforcement and the criminal banking giants that have looted the U.S. Treasury and placed the entire savings deposits of Americans, who have their funds in the aforementioned banks, at risk.
American citizens’ deposits have now been categorized as a counter party to the derivative exposure of worldwide banks aka the MF Global-PFG debacle.
Adamus Group aka German Nazi Paperclip is directly tied to the privately owned U.S. Federal Reserve and the massive manipulation of worldwide financial markets using electronic software programmed “Next Gen” technology that allows the crooked worldwide banks to have 5 – 7 seconds lead time on all worldwide financial trading."
The part I have bolded is clear disinformation - again: not funny or clever.
Tom Henegan, is a source of (only?) disinformation and misinformation, with very low credibility.
How does this add anything to the discussion?
Jake
10th June 2014, 00:19
Okay, Jake.
Here are my precise objections:
+ Why slur Adamus, by calling it "Adumus"? I don't find that funny or clever.
You excerpted the following:
"Tom Heneghan Explosive Intelligence Briefings
UNITED STATES of America - The Adamus Group, which is a worldwide intelligence gathering corporation that manages worldwide databases on behalf of the U.S. NSA (National Security Agency), and then shares their intelligence gathering capability with national intelligence agencies, U.S. law enforcement and the criminal banking giants that have looted the U.S. Treasury and placed the entire savings deposits of Americans, who have their funds in the aforementioned banks, at risk.
American citizens’ deposits have now been categorized as a counter party to the derivative exposure of worldwide banks aka the MF Global-PFG debacle.
Adamus Group aka German Nazi Paperclip is directly tied to the privately owned U.S. Federal Reserve and the massive manipulation of worldwide financial markets using electronic software programmed “Next Gen” technology that allows the crooked worldwide banks to have 5 – 7 seconds lead time on all worldwide financial trading."
The part I have bolded is clear disinformation - again: not funny or clever.
Tom Henegan, is a source of (only?) disinformation and misinformation, with very low credibility.
How does this add anything to the discussion?
Trying, again to show me as an unintellegent agent of disinfo, rather than take me to point regarding the facts... Surprise Surprise you are a supporter of Duffian Theology. I did not Slur anyobody,, I'm not the best speller sometimes. You can take your assumptions and eat them, my friend.
or to put it in a way that you understand,,,, NICE TRY!!! :)
I really didn't expect folks to shoot the messenger here,, (Hennegen) and not address the issue... It really is getting funny.. Like a template... Just attack and discredit the person,,, and the truth will never matter...
So far, i haven't heard Hennegen freely admit that 40% of his information is blatent disinfo!!! So,,, again,,, to put it in a way that you understand... NICE TRY...
So tell me, GuyFox... what do you make of Gordon Duff and his admitted disinfo?? It is a clear question.. What do you make of Hem being appointed to the board of directors of Adamus?? Try and answer without cleverly attacking me or Hennegen or anyone else.
I am not here to shine anyone on!! when it comes to the burdon of sifting through information in an attempt to get to the truth,, I become highly irritated when someone tries and sells me Bull ****te.. So which 40% do we Not listen to?? Guy Fox,,, I'm asking you!! Which 60% is solid info?? What do we get if 95% of alt media reported 80% of what Duff puts out there?? What is the answer...? Duff says 40% of his words are BS... so does this statement fall into the 40%? or the 60%??? I am no mathemetician, but i'd love to see someone attempt a solution to this flawed equation...
Come on, brother. You tried to show me as Using Hennegens words as my own as a botched cut and paste job... you are completely wrong,, and i have answered to it.
Now answer me, please. If you can.
Jake.
Flash
10th June 2014, 00:33
For everyone here, the question of why slur Adamus by writing Adumus - what a weird question. Mine would be why automatically and i mean automatically presume that other's intent are to harm or misinform, because they mispell.
On this forum there is dyslexics, dysphasics, who usually have problems with words spelling and expressions, and there is a bundle or people who are not English speaking to start with. So why presume right from the start that our mispelling is a negative intent???
So now, if I am not mistaken, Jake speaks at least two languages, I speak 3 1/2 (one is badly spoken) and others more. How do you expect, for god sake, to master these languages as if we were native? That the American, British, Australian, Kiwi, or English Canadian or Taiwanese ;)who speak and write another language without fault throw the first stone at our English spelling.
I know, i am off topic
GuyFox
10th June 2014, 00:36
"So far, i haven't heard Hennegen freely admit that 40% of his information is blatent disinfo!!! "
He's pretty near to 100% disinformation.
I cannot think of anything he had right.
Wasn't he pumping that phony Dinar RV for a long, long time?
As has been said, Duff has to take down his own accuracy (in that "40% disinfo" claim) to stay alive.
Hennegen is no more at risk than Bozo-the-clown, since no one takes him seriously
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For everyone here, the question of why slur Adamus by writing Adumus - what a weird question. Mine would be why automatically and i mean automatically presume that other's intent are to harm or misinform, because they mispell.
On this forum there is dyslexics, dysphasics, who usually have problems with words spelling and expressions...
All he has to say is: I misspelled it.
That's what I do, if/when I make an error like that, and get called on it.
Jake
10th June 2014, 01:05
"So far, i haven't heard Hennegen freely admit that 40% of his information is blatent disinfo!!! "
He's pretty near to 100% disinformation.
I cannot think of anything he had right.
Wasn't he pumping that phony Dinar RV for a long, long time?
As has been said, Duff has to take down his own accuracy (in that "40% disinfo" claim) to stay alive.
Hennegen is no more at risk than Bozo-the-clown, since no one takes him seriously
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For everyone here, the question of why slur Adamus by writing Adumus - what a weird question. Mine would be why automatically and i mean automatically presume that other's intent are to harm or misinform, because they mispell.
On this forum there is dyslexics, dysphasics, who usually have problems with words spelling and expressions...
All he has to say is: I misspelled it.
That's what I do, if/when I make an error like that, and get called on it.
My friends,,, I digress... I was hoping for less of a personal attack and more of an intellegent debate about Gordon Duff admitting that 40% of what he says is disinfo... Guyfox... I am dissapointed. You cannot address the issue,, but you can attack me and Henneghan and others. I would never slur a group called Adamus,, by spelling it Adumus.. (I'm not even sure what the hell that is supposed to mean)
Anybody who knows me will tell you the same. I wonder if you have the ability to discourse without the distracting personal attacks.
Right now,, your whole premise stands on wether or not i can spell... EFFIN BRILLIANT!!!!
My whole premise stands on the FACT that Gordon Duff has admitted that 40% of his information is tactical LIES!!!!
And there is not a single person ON THE PLANET who can answer for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guy Fox... I have asked several times for you to address the damn issue!!! You have demonstrated that you cannot.... Thank you for making my point for me...
Jake.
PS.
All he has to say is: I misspelled it.
That's what I do, if/when I make an error like that, and get called on it.
Really??? Thats what you do??? Is that 40% true?? I just can't believe a word you say,, sorry.... (see how that works?)
Gardener
10th June 2014, 02:17
Take an occams razor to it.
According to his own report.....
he has all these really important in the know insider friends, he is wealthy and well protected, body guards whole nice yards.
Kinda like POTUS I suppose, wonder if potus gives out % disinfo, well yea!
Did having really important contacts and body guards stop whoever killing Jack Kennedy? Why does he think its different for him.
Not sure what to think, not at all convinced he has any information of real value any more.
Bought and paid for cointelpro 'tell em what they want to hear' but throw strategic disinfo into the mix.
or
Grandiose delusions.
or
Both of the above.
I remember when he put out some quality work, something wildly urgent in his voice these days, maybe the pain and meds, he sounds somewhat scared.
But who knows.....
GuyFox
10th June 2014, 02:18
No one believes that Duff is releasing 40% Disinfo (have you not heard of "poetic license"?)
- so why not move on?
- Or, if you want to have a discussion or debate, try posting something that is Not an obvious wind-up, intended to provoke
What is becoming apparent is new info - from Foreign countries, is being leaked through Veterans Today:
VT is getting intel dumps from lots of countries who are furious with America's lies and agression
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/09/ordered-suppressed-the-other-cold-war/
Ordered Suppressed: “The Other Cold War”
....The US has not only outraged Russia and China but other nations that were once afraid of the US are now ready to hit back. The simplest way to go after the US is to release classified intelligence showing the US as an aggressor nation or worse, a dupe, violent, dangerous and uncaring.
We have, for the first time, national intelligence agencies leaking aging but high-value material. It is clear why. There is a real anger at the hypocrisy of the gang running the United States and divulging intelligence that Wikileaks and Snowden are unwilling or unable to deal with, particularly as they seem to be “joined at the hip” with the mainstream media, is a way of “stirring the pot.”
Jake
10th June 2014, 02:58
No one believe that he is releasing 40% Disinfo (have you not heard of "poetic license"?)
- so why not move on?
- Or, if you want to have a discussion or debate, try posting something that is Not an obvious wind-up, intended to provoke
What is becoming apparent is new info - from Foreign countries, is being leaked through Veterans Today:
VT is getting intel dumps from lots of countries who are furious with America's lies and agression
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/09/ordered-suppressed-the-other-cold-war/
Ordered Suppressed: “The Other Cold War”
....The US has not only outraged Russia and China but other nations that were once afraid of the US are now ready to hit back. The simplest way to go after the US is to release classified intelligence showing the US as an aggressor nation or worse, a dupe, violent, dangerous and uncaring.
We have, for the first time, national intelligence agencies leaking aging but high-value material. It is clear why. There is a real anger at the hypocrisy of the gang running the United States and divulging intelligence that Wikileaks and Snowden are unwilling or unable to deal with, particularly as they seem to be “joined at the hip” with the mainstream media, is a way of “stirring the pot.”
Love to you, brother... I am both a writer and musician... i understand poetic 'license'... :) (regardless of wether or not i can spell) new info from other sources being leaked through VT... Good luck with that!!! Can you imagine Bill Ryan or Bob Dean or David Icke or Ralph Reed or Bob Monroe or anyone in the truther movement to insist that if you are not on THEIR team,, then you are on aligned with the enemy???? At the same time,,, tell the world that you HAVE to LIE TO SAVE YOUR LIFE??? At the same time, disclose that 40% of what you have to say is BS????
Guy fox,,,, What the hell are we supposed to believe from an admitted ****in liar???????????????????
What a dilema! I am still asking you questions,, but i know that you are ok with lies... So, why the hell do i bother???
If 60% truth is okay with you, then GOOD LUCK TO YOU...
(60%percent, admittidly,, most likely much less than that)
I do not expect an intellegent answer... :(
If there is someone else who can address my concerns regarding admitted false information,, please please please chime in... How do i, as a truth seeker,, deal with an admitted liar, saying that 40% of what he says is lies???? At the same time,,, INSISTS THAT HIS TEAM IS THE ONLY WINNING TEAM... WTF... Where are the conspiracy theorists???
Again,, why can't i get an answer without being insulted????
I am a free sovereign being... :) I can see the way the wind blows, and do NOT need an admitted liar to tell me what to think....
:):):)
Jake.
ThePythonicCow
10th June 2014, 03:13
Can you imagine Bill Ryan or Bob Dean or David Icke or Ralph Reed or Bob Monroe or anyone in the truther movement to insist that if you are not on THEIR team,, then you are on aligned with the enemy???? At the same time,,, tell the world that you HAVE to LIE TO SAVE YOUR LIFE??? At the same time, disclose that 40% of what you have to say is BS????
Guy fox,,,, What the hell are we supposed to believe from an admitted ****in liar???????????????????
Good stuff happens on many levels. What we look for (often unconsciously so) in others to determine if we're interested in paying closer attention to them comes in so many flavors ... some superficial, some at levels I have no clue about.
You're totally within your rights, and properly respecting your own choices and what you tune into, when you dismiss whomever, for whatever reasons.
I do the same. We all do. Some of us have been lucky enough to have lived long enough, and to have changed our own views of whom to respect, for what reasons, often enough and radically enough, that we no longer pay much attention to what choices others make, unless per chance that other person happens to be one whose judgement in such matters we've found worth paying attention to.
The stuff worth worrying about lies at other levels.
ThePythonicCow
10th June 2014, 03:29
For everyone here, the question of why slur Adamus by writing Adumus - what a weird question.
Totally agreed.
I see enough misspellings in the posts I read, and in those I write (and I have no excuses worthy of the mention) to almost automatically assume, unless deliberate slander is made extremely obvious, that the misspelling is entirely accidental.
All he has to say is: I misspelled it.
That's what I do, if/when I make an error like that, and get called on it.
To presume guilt, and explain that away by saying that only an "I misspelled it" apology is needed ... is to get things arse backwards. Both out of courtesy, and out of statistical probability, I recommend presuming innocence, ab initio. Don't "call people out" on their mistakes; rather ignore their mistakes for the most part, and offer assistance in the infrequent case that the mistake is material.
I am getting the impression, GuyFox, that you found a way to put Jake on the defensive.
GuyFox, may I suggest laying off Jake. He's a good man. A very good man.
And Jake ... you've got nothing to be defensive about. Gordon Duff has done more than most of us to discredit himself, and those of us who still happen to be reading his articles with interest, can mostly only shrug our shoulders and make some weak excuse such as "there's no accounting for taste."
Jake
10th June 2014, 03:58
Can you imagine Bill Ryan or Bob Dean or David Icke or Ralph Reed or Bob Monroe or anyone in the truther movement to insist that if you are not on THEIR team,, then you are on aligned with the enemy???? At the same time,,, tell the world that you HAVE to LIE TO SAVE YOUR LIFE??? At the same time, disclose that 40% of what you have to say is BS????
Guy fox,,,, What the hell are we supposed to believe from an admitted ****in liar???????????????????
Good stuff happens on many levels. What we look for (often unconsciously so) in others to determine if we're interested in paying closer attention to them comes in so many flavors ... some superficial, some at levels I have no clue about.
You're totally within your rights, and properly respecting your own choices and what you tune into, when you dismiss whomever, for whatever reasons.
I do the same. We all do. Some of us have been lucky enough to have lived long enough, and to have changed our own views of whom to respect, for what reasons, often enough and radically enough, that we no longer pay much attention to what choices others make, unless per chance that other person happens to be one whose judgement in such matters we've found worth paying attention to.
The stuff worth worrying about lies at other levels.
Thank you. Paul, I have a piece of the puzzle... I cannot imagine a world where i justify telling lies to tell the truth. Perhaps I will embrace lies and deciept, as a valid way to tell MY story... Perhaps I will insult and discredit and attempt to destroy others who do not see it my way. Perhaps I will insist that my piece of the puzzle is THE ONLY PEICE,,, and that anyone who claims to know what i know is an adversary... Maybe i should tell you that nearly half of what i say is Bull****, yet demand that you only listen to me!!!
I have a piece of the puzzle,,, many folks do. YOU do! We ALL do!!! Picture a world where each and every one of us insists (although admitted liars) that THEY are the only one who knows the truth,,,, (while only 40% is actual) PICTURE IT.... Now,,, look around at the world that we have created... Is it any wonder why THE truth is a completely foreign concept??
If the status quo is to decieve, as a way to promote the truth,,, then i will have NOTHING to do with it... Nothing, not now, not EVER...
Honestly brother,,, I do not want to witness another 'Phil Schnieder' type of event, where 100% disclusure, simply got you 'dead'.
lol,,, (Jake imagines Phil Schnieder saying that [almost] half of everything he says is disinfo,, and that his life is on the line,,, yet to make my money as an entertainer,,, i must must must must, play both sides,,, AND that you must get on his team or you are aligned with the enemy!!! hahahahhahalolololol...)
There is enough truth, that nobody has to lie..... I cannot even admire him for his honesty,,, because i wonder if what he says is the 40% or the 60&...
I do not think less of anyone who considers Duffs info... That was never my intent...
I DO have clear opinions regarding Gordon Duff,,, and I will take them up with him if ever given the chance. Those of you who know me,, know that i do not fear to engage...
I can see that if i keep it up,, it will be a distraction.. With that,, i will bid this conversation fare well....
Love you, brother....
Jake.
GuyFox
10th June 2014, 04:47
GuyFox, may I suggest laying off Jake. He's a good man. A very good man.
Okay.
I will trust you on this Paul... though I see no real evidence of it on this thread.
(I am rather surprised though, that you think I - a guy who spots what looks and sounds like an obvious slur needs to apologize to the guy who makes it - since a slur was completely consistent with his dismissive remarks towards Duff. But I am convinced that you - Paul - are a good guy, so I will let it go.) I had intended to engage his latest remarks, but will refrain from doing so. Of course, he is entitled to his own opinions. I don't find him to be someone who I would enjoy debating anyway.
loungelizard
10th June 2014, 07:56
I don't tend to read Gordon Duff's writing very much, for the same reasons that some have expressed on this thread, but there have been a couple of occasions on the forum where I've read claims he's made that - to my current knowledge - are baseless distortions for which he has provided no evidence.
The first is the the ADL was responsible for the anti-Semitic fliers distributed in the Ukraine.
The second is that 70,000 survivors of 9/11 have cancer. No, they haven't, thank goodness.
So Jake, thanks for verifying what I already suspected :rolleyes:
GuyFox
10th June 2014, 09:38
If this is TRUE, then...
http://www.silverdoctors.com/jim-willies-most-shocking-claim-ever-japan-saudis-germany-will-turn-against-us-join-russian-alliance/
Jim Willie’s MOST SHOCKING CLAIM EVER: Japan, Saudis, & Germany Will Turn Against US, Join Russian Alliance!
... If Jim Willie is right, then...
Someone like Gordon Duff (and the White Hats) had better be around to pick up the pieces
GuyFox
10th June 2014, 10:20
The second is that 70,000 survivors of 9/11 have cancer. No, they haven't, thank goodness.
So Jake, thanks for verifying what I already suspected :rolleyes:
Duff's article said it was in the NY-Post:
"A new and terrifying 9/11 conspiracy has hit the news. We are now confronted, not only with startling proof that 9/11 was a “nuclear event,” but that there have been thousands of unreported deaths in New York, radiation cancers and nearly 70,000 being kept alive with experimental stem cell therapy and physically devastating “chemo.”
One of the biggest medical cover-ups in history was exposed this week when Wall Street brokers suffering from cancer after 9/11 made the news. While telling their story, the New York Post revealed that 70,000 New Yorkers have applied for 9/11 victim compensation, most for cancers that can only be attributed to direct exposure to ionizing radiation from nuclear weapons.
Officials would not give a breakdown of cancer victims, but 10,800 downtown workers make up the second-largest group of registered claimants after 39,500 Ground Zero responders. There are another 16,600 in smaller categories such as residents, students, child-care and health-care workers."
=
> http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/nuke-cancer-from-911-revealed/
If you are in NY, maybe you can check that
GuyFox
10th June 2014, 10:30
Wow.
You caught him! That dang Gordon Duff was exaggerating again!
He said: 70,000! The actual number in the story was 67,000!
Wow - you really caught him in a big lie!
Here's the actual story:
"A wave of Wall Street stockbrokers and traders are coming down with cancers blamed on the toxic dust and smoke of 9/11.
They’re joining ill Ground Zero first-responders in seeking payments from the $2.7 billion federal September 11th Victim Compensation Fund.
Of 622 cancer claims approved so far, the fund has awarded $15.5 million to 39 victims, a spokeswoman told The Post.
Officials would not give a breakdown of cancer victims, but 10,800 downtown workers make up the second-largest group of registered claimants after 39,500 Ground Zero responders. There are another 16,600 in smaller categories such as residents, students, child-care and health-care workers."
==
> http://nypost.com/2014/04/20/wall-street-workers-with-911-linked-cancers-seek-compensation/
> similar : http://mwcnews.net/focus/politics/41703-9-11.html
Let's recap:
+ 10,800 downtown workers
+ 39,500 Ground Zero responders
+ 16,600 in smaller categories such as residents, students, child-care and health-care workers
========
= 66,900 Claims.
Hey, that's close enough to "70,000" to give Duff a check-mark, from me !
Probably, we'd find something similar, if we look into the mud the other mud-slingers are tossing in here. They never bother the check THEIR claims! Too busy sleeping on their sofas, probably (haha)
loungelizard
10th June 2014, 17:25
Wow.
You caught him! That dang Gordon Duff was exaggerating again!
He said: 70,000! The actual number in the story was 67,000!
Wow - you really caught him in a big lie!
Here's the actual story:
"A wave of Wall Street stockbrokers and traders are coming down with cancers blamed on the toxic dust and smoke of 9/11.
They’re joining ill Ground Zero first-responders in seeking payments from the $2.7 billion federal September 11th Victim Compensation Fund.
Of 622 cancer claims approved so far, the fund has awarded $15.5 million to 39 victims, a spokeswoman told The Post.
Officials would not give a breakdown of cancer victims, but 10,800 downtown workers make up the second-largest group of registered claimants after 39,500 Ground Zero responders. There are another 16,600 in smaller categories such as residents, students, child-care and health-care workers."
==
> http://nypost.com/2014/04/20/wall-street-workers-with-911-linked-cancers-seek-compensation/
> similar : http://mwcnews.net/focus/politics/41703-9-11.html
Let's recap:
+ 10,800 downtown workers
+ 39,500 Ground Zero responders
+ 16,600 in smaller categories such as residents, students, child-care and health-care workers
========
= 66,900 Claims.
Hey, that's close enough to "70,000" to give Duff a check-mark, from me !
Probably, we'd find something similar, if we look into the mud the other mud-slingers are tossing in here. They never bother the check THEIR claims! Too busy sleeping on their sofas, probably (haha)
The figure of 66,900 does NOT refer to the number of cancer victims. It is the number of people who have registered for the Victim Compensation Fund.
The number of cancer victims was actually 1,140 the last time I checked, although obviously and sadly, this number is only going to increase with time.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2418385/One-thousand-9-11-Ground-Zero-responders-diagnosed-cancer.html
waves
10th June 2014, 17:47
I'm so tired of these grandiose opinion pushing thread titles... "stuns world"??? Do you think any more than .00000000000001% of 7+ billion will know it exists?
Let's keep our self-importance out of the clouds and offer info in a neutral way so people can post their own opinion or it looks just like pushy propoganda we hate.
"Gordon Duff's 'for President' Expose' " would suffice.
Nine
10th June 2014, 18:27
Worked for the feds
Retired now....
Biggest cause of death for us
Cancer.....followed by suicide...
Polluted buildings from asbestos....
Nine
Carmody
10th June 2014, 18:53
We have some planetary turn arounds (retrograde) going on out there, so expect misunderstandings to abound.
As for the why:
... well, planets are about 0.5% of the mass of the universe, and the rest is gas or quantum mass aggregates. electric and complex quantum stress fields of elemental aspects in quantum states.
so planets are the very junior partner in existence. Reality, mass, lattice structures, solids, etc, are the junior partner in this space, this 'reality'.
Thus everything we call reality, gets pushed around ....and to the tune of 99% or so ...gets totally PWNED by quantum functions and quantum mechanics.
The 'reality', as we like to call it... it is steered by interconnections at the quantum spooky action at a distance level of things. (which is outside of time.... so the planetary positions can be used as temporal prediction of human life and flow, statistically, just like quantum function)
When the planets move in a quantum stress field in a geometric pattern they literally DICTATE our reality to us - how we statistically flow and move.
So, pay attention to astrology, it owns your ass. completely. Irrefutably. scientifically.
David Ansible
11th June 2014, 00:10
David,
I am pissed off....who did 9/11?
I am pissed off that they got away with it....there were casualties from 9/11 at my agency that I am now retired from and I won't forget....
Jones is covering for the perps and if that is not straight up enough for you I have nothing more to say to you....
Many of us in Government want to see them dangling from the end of a rope.....
Duff told us the truth ....there are no elections in America and no way to bring them to justice and when you think about that and if that does not anger you there is no hope for this country.....
Duff also talked about the "Stink" tanks that feed the tea party and of course the Bengahzi bs and the even stranger BS of the Bundy ranch deal....
Duff told us that we are being played like fiddles and I am livid pissed off.....I am paying attention....
Nine
Nine, your tone is rude. Anyway, Jones is not "covering" for the perps. Certainly not like the mainstream media who denies that 9/11 was an inside job and
denigrates and discredits anyone who deviates from the official narrative. Jones has always maintained 9/11 was an inside job. He implicates the Bushes and
the Neocons, and even once said that Israel is implicated as well (interview with Alan hart still available on youtube I believe).
And yet we are going to make everyone pissed off at Alex Jones. Please. If Jones is somehow "bad for us," (which I dispute), it is like wanting to string up a
petty shoplifter in a town full of serial killers. As I said, worry about CNN, FOX, NYT etc. THEY are the one keeping a lid on truth, not Jones. If anything, Jones
is like the "gateway drug" to more truth. He is a good thing. Why do you want to bring him down?
by the way, I am not some huge fan of Alex Jones. I hardly ever listen to him. I simply believe we are better off having him around considering what else is
available. VT is better, no doubt, (despite all the disinfo and misinfo) but that is not the point. And Duff should have better things to do than going after Jones.
I find it embarrassing and a disservice.
David Ansible
11th June 2014, 00:27
Since my thinking cap is on....
Wade Fraser of Avalon talks about free energy and personal integrity and how the two go hand and hand....
Gordon is telling us about government and its total lack of personal integrity and the consequences of such things.
The two are related....all governments are corrupt and that is fact and so what Gordon is talking about is a private non governmental group of concerned human beings.....which I am one of those if that is true....
I am going to have to listen to Gordon's talk one more time even though his words are so painful to hear on a personal level....
Wade talks of Godzilla and his activities and so Godzilla is in factions now and how this plays out is any ones guess....
I am so pro American that I might be blinded to a pro humanity approach to thinking upon such issues....
Gordon is a good man....
Well dearest Avalon thanks for listening to my rants...
Nine
I agree with you that GD is a good man. Strangely, some people seem to want to deify him. Not my style ... at all. So many are just aching to have some leader to follow.
David Ansible
11th June 2014, 00:38
Can you imagine Bill Ryan or Bob Dean or David Icke or Ralph Reed or Bob Monroe or anyone in the truther movement to insist that if you are not on THEIR team,, then you are on aligned with the enemy???? At the same time,,, tell the world that you HAVE to LIE TO SAVE YOUR LIFE??? At the same time, disclose that 40% of what you have to say is BS????
Guy fox,,,, What the hell are we supposed to believe from an admitted ****in liar???????????????????
Good stuff happens on many levels. What we look for (often unconsciously so) in others to determine if we're interested in paying closer attention to them comes in so many flavors ... some superficial, some at levels I have no clue about.
You're totally within your rights, and properly respecting your own choices and what you tune into, when you dismiss whomever, for whatever reasons.
I do the same. We all do. Some of us have been lucky enough to have lived long enough, and to have changed our own views of whom to respect, for what reasons, often enough and radically enough, that we no longer pay much attention to what choices others make, unless per chance that other person happens to be one whose judgement in such matters we've found worth paying attention to.
The stuff worth worrying about lies at other levels.
Thank you. Paul, I have a piece of the puzzle... I cannot imagine a world where i justify telling lies to tell the truth. Perhaps I will embrace lies and deciept, as a valid way to tell MY story... Perhaps I will insult and discredit and attempt to destroy others who do not see it my way. Perhaps I will insist that my piece of the puzzle is THE ONLY PEICE,,, and that anyone who claims to know what i know is an adversary... Maybe i should tell you that nearly half of what i say is Bull****, yet demand that you only listen to me!!!
I have a piece of the puzzle,,, many folks do. YOU do! We ALL do!!! Picture a world where each and every one of us insists (although admitted liars) that THEY are the only one who knows the truth,,,, (while only 40% is actual) PICTURE IT.... Now,,, look around at the world that we have created... Is it any wonder why THE truth is a completely foreign concept??
If the status quo is to decieve, as a way to promote the truth,,, then i will have NOTHING to do with it... Nothing, not now, not EVER...
Honestly brother,,, I do not want to witness another 'Phil Schnieder' type of event, where 100% disclusure, simply got you 'dead'.
lol,,, (Jake imagines Phil Schnieder saying that [almost] half of everything he says is disinfo,, and that his life is on the line,,, yet to make my money as an entertainer,,, i must must must must, play both sides,,, AND that you must get on his team or you are aligned with the enemy!!! hahahahhahalolololol...)
There is enough truth, that nobody has to lie..... I cannot even admire him for his honesty,,, because i wonder if what he says is the 40% or the 60&...
I do not think less of anyone who considers Duffs info... That was never my intent...
I DO have clear opinions regarding Gordon Duff,,, and I will take them up with him if ever given the chance. Those of you who know me,, know that i do not fear to engage...
I can see that if i keep it up,, it will be a distraction.. With that,, i will bid this conversation fare well....
Love you, brother....
Jake.
"I cannot imagine a world where i justify telling lies to tell the truth. "
Maybe you do not have good enough information where you would even have to worry about such things?
What if most people are 60% MISinformation (or whatever). You always have to sift material. Personally,
I do not believe that Duff tells "40% lies." I know what he said. I think much of it is "read between the lines"
type stuff. I also think he withholds a lot. I also think he may be fed lies sometimes. Generally, I think it is
his goal to tell as much truth as possible while still staying safe. Maybe if you had to worry about such things
you'd begin to "imagine" a world where you write a few fibs, allowing you to (fairly safely) divulge much truth.
jake gittes
11th June 2014, 02:55
I think Gordon Duff is legit and on the up and up. I think his "attacking Alex Jones" has been way overstated. In fact, there seems to have been a lot more effort in this thread to discredit Duff than Duff ever makes against others. I am wary of those who go to such great lengths. VT publishes a lot of important articles that point fingers many others do not, Jones historically included.
Carmody
11th June 2014, 03:33
My idea on 'chasing truths', is to get my own ass in the thick of it so i can encounter such things myself, and make my own decisions.
Too much reading the newspaper can make for a very uninformed person who relies on opinions, instead of essential knowing and experience.
Kinda like debating sports and not all that much more effective.
IMO, until one is covered with scars from directly facing and being involved in these realities -- nothing will change.
You can't expect other folks to do all the heavy lifting, that's not the point of life.
No free rides, no safe bets.
swoods_blue
12th June 2014, 03:09
In fact, there seems to have been a lot more effort in this thread to discredit Duff than Duff ever makes against others. I am wary of those who go to such great lengths.
The thread was framed by directly asking people what they make of Gordon Duff. I don't think that there has been an "effort to discredit" Duff as much as effort to discern whether his dire warnings can be believed. Duff absolutely throws a number of other investigators under the bus, and that is a dissonant note that does not resonate with many of us.
swoods_blue
12th June 2014, 03:12
"Everyone who mentions nanothermites is an intelligence agent."
Wait... didn't you just mention them?
Shoot, now I just mentioned them. Damn it!
you can not fix stupid....
Nine
Couched in my humor are several rather serious points. Can you find any of them?
I thought a lot about my reply to the original post, and made a deliberate choice as to how I would respond.
GuyFox
12th June 2014, 15:16
In fact, there seems to have been a lot more effort in this thread to discredit Duff than Duff ever makes against others. I am wary of those who go to such great lengths.
The thread was framed by directly asking people what they make of Gordon Duff. I don't think that there has been an "effort to discredit" Duff as much as effort to discern whether his dire warnings can be believed. Duff absolutely throws a number of other investigators under the bus, and that is a dissonant note that does not resonate with many of us.
I get your point - and I prefer to see it as his "style" which grates on some.
But his "project" is moving forward, and in this latest Podcast from 6/6/2014 he talks as if he KNOWS something, that is coming:
9Wd0bdXxZxM
"The US has been split into 10 military districts,
with police units under the (possible) power of "a foreign entity", not congress.
They were mostly trained in Israel, or by Israelis, but the Israelis are not in charge,
they were merely hired to do the job."
MH: Who is in control?
GD: You don't want to ask that... I will not answer it.
It sounds as if the Old cabal plans a desperate false flag, possibly of a nuclear sort, to try to hold onto power.
Herein Duff may be speaking to what he thinks is a large enough group inside the Military, and inside the Govt.,
which may have the power to Turn the Tables, and beat the cabal, before or after the FF Event.
"9/11 was staged," he says right towards the end...
. . .
"We are down to the last 15 minutes...
"We need to stop these idiots...
I don't really have any clear idea of what he is talking about.
But if I had to take a wild guess, I think he believes there is an international group,
will to cooperate to take on the Old Cabal... and he may or may not be part of it.
David Ansible
12th June 2014, 23:14
In fact, there seems to have been a lot more effort in this thread to discredit Duff than Duff ever makes against others. I am wary of those who go to such great lengths.
The thread was framed by directly asking people what they make of Gordon Duff. I don't think that there has been an "effort to discredit" Duff as much as effort to discern whether his dire warnings can be believed. Duff absolutely throws a number of other investigators under the bus, and that is a dissonant note that does not resonate with many of us.
I get your point - and I prefer to see it as his "style" which grates on some.
But his "project" is moving forward, and in this latest Podcast from 6/6/2014 he talks as if he KNOWS something, that is coming:
9Wd0bdXxZxM
"The US has been split into 10 military districts,
with police units under the (possible) power of "a foreign entity", not congress.
They were mostly trained in Israel, or by Israelis, but the Israelis are not in charge,
they were merely hired to do the job."
MH: Who is in control?
GD: You don't want to ask that... I will not answer it.
It sounds as if the Old cabal plans a desperate false flag, possibly of a nuclear sort, to try to hold onto power.
Herein Duff may be speaking to what he thinks is a large enough group inside the Military, and inside the Govt.,
which may have the power to Turn the Tables, and beat the cabal, before or after the FF Event.
"9/11 was staged," he says right towards the end...
. . .
"We are down to the last 15 minutes...
"We need to stop these idiots...
I don't really have any clear idea of what he is talking about.
But if I had to take a wild guess, I think he believes there is an international group,
will to cooperate to take on the Old Cabal... and he may or may not be part of it.
wow fascinating. Thanks. I will be listening to this tonight. Cheers.
GuyFox
13th June 2014, 00:22
"wow fascinating. Thanks. I will be listening to this tonight. Cheers."
If you have little time, listen to the last 2-3 minutes
David Ansible
13th June 2014, 01:18
In fact, there seems to have been a lot more effort in this thread to discredit Duff than Duff ever makes against others. I am wary of those who go to such great lengths.
The thread was framed by directly asking people what they make of Gordon Duff. I don't think that there has been an "effort to discredit" Duff as much as effort to discern whether his dire warnings can be believed. Duff absolutely throws a number of other investigators under the bus, and that is a dissonant note that does not resonate with many of us.
I get your point - and I prefer to see it as his "style" which grates on some.
But his "project" is moving forward, and in this latest Podcast from 6/6/2014 he talks as if he KNOWS something, that is coming:
9Wd0bdXxZxM
"The US has been split into 10 military districts,
with police units under the (possible) power of "a foreign entity", not congress.
They were mostly trained in Israel, or by Israelis, but the Israelis are not in charge,
they were merely hired to do the job."
MH: Who is in control?
GD: You don't want to ask that... I will not answer it.
It sounds as if the Old cabal plans a desperate false flag, possibly of a nuclear sort, to try to hold onto power.
Herein Duff may be speaking to what he thinks is a large enough group inside the Military, and inside the Govt.,
which may have the power to Turn the Tables, and beat the cabal, before or after the FF Event.
"9/11 was staged," he says right towards the end...
. . .
"We are down to the last 15 minutes...
"We need to stop these idiots...
I don't really have any clear idea of what he is talking about.
But if I had to take a wild guess, I think he believes there is an international group,
will to cooperate to take on the Old Cabal... and he may or may not be part of it.
wow fascinating. Thanks. I will be listening to this tonight. Cheers.
Excellent interview. Thanks for posting.
GuyFox
13th June 2014, 23:22
Here's another: MH interviewing Preston James
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/themes/Transcript/images/authors/jim.jpg
The Short End of the Stick with Mike Harris 2014 06 05
= nBY-Q0LTLTI =
Learn about:
+ The Intel-Cowboys ("they are p-ssed")
+ Israel's threatened Samson Options
+ The cute antics of the Bvsch family
Jake
15th June 2014, 15:00
Hello all. Guys, I'm really not trying to pick a fight. I consider folks here some of the smartest on the planet. Please help me to understand what this is all about...
By now, folks involved in this discussion are aware of the vid of Duff admitting to planting tactical disinformation at VT,, up to 40%!!!! When i brought this info to the table,, i was NOT met with intelligent discourse, instead i was met with insults and attacks. The most intelligent comments were that i should let it go, and that this is simply about 'poetic license' and that i should better inform myself, or learn to 'read between the lines'... Folks simply defended Duff, at all costs,,, never really questioning anything... Well, I have found some better information regarding this story. Feel free to attack and/or insult me.. I am just reporting the facts.
Mike Harris of VT has undergone an extensive effort to keep this vid under wraps. It seems that Not only does Gordon Duff NOT stand by his words,,, but he is, now, saying that it was all a complete fabrication,,, a state of the art cut&splice job by none other than MOSSAD!!??!!!???!!!??!!!
Even though we all heard the interview, and heard him say what he said,,, he is now denying it outright!! Some of you defended what he said!!!! Well, now he is saying that you are wrong to defend him, because he never said it in the first place...
Consider the following article: (not written by me,,, I am quoting a different writer)
Coverup Begins as YouTube Pulls the Offending Video
On November 9, 2012 (or possibly the day prior), Mike Harris, a Veterans Today staff writer and host of the Republic Broadcasting Network’s (RBN) Short End of the Stick, filed a copyright claim on the video “Gordon Duff of Veterans Today Admits To Writing 40% False Information,” and it was subsequently pulled from YouTube. As one Internet commenter noted, it’s the coverup that always gives them away, and the fact that the video was indeed pulled is a sure sign of guilt.
One slightly different version with of the original video with Duff’s claim featuring additional commentary can still be found on YouTube.
Under The Radar Media was previously unaware of Mike Harris and his radio program, and it appears that Harris stopped broadcasting his program on RBN shortly after October 12, 2012. According to several RBN subscribers, the October 12 broadcast of Short End of the Stick, as well as other broadcasts are no longer available at the archives of RBN.
Although it appears that Harris has not written anything for Veterans Today since May 2012, he is still listed as one of its staff writers. Harris has appeared on the Rense Radio Show, in November 2012, where Rense informed his audiences that Harris would be hosting his show on the Rense Radio Network.
Whitewash Continues With Kevin Barrett Dutifully at the Helm
The same day that the video was pulled, Duff appeared at beginning of hour 2 of Kevin Barrett’s of Truth Jihad, which broadcasts on American Freedom Radio (archived here, mp3 here). Barrett states that he invited Duff to appear because his scheduled guest was a no-show. The topic of focus was to be the resignation of then CIA director David Petraeus, although a considerable amount of time was spent discussing the “controversy” surrounding the video. Both Barrett and Duff were jovial as they attempted to make light of the issue.
Duff alleges that audio portions of video had been cut from the original broadcast and that his words had been spliced together (time stamp 4m34s). Duff admitted that he had neither seen the video nor had he gone back to review the audio from the broadcast, but that Mike Harris told him that the audio was overdubbed and that “it wasn’t real.” Once again, feel free to refer to the time stamp 70m35s from the mp3 of the October 12, 2012 broadcast of Short End of the Stick to confirm that Duff’s claim is indeed, word for word as presented here.
The fact that Mike Harris had filed a copyright claim to have the video removed was not addressed.
Even more curious was Duff’s claim that the video”was initially received by” famed Holocaust® revisionist Dr. Fredrick Toben, formerly of the Adelaide Institute. Because of Toben’s trouble with various Jewish lobby groups over Holocaust® denial, Duff was presumably trying to and establish guilt by association in order to weaken the credibility of the video. Duff presented no evidence which suggests that Toben either received or distributed the video to other parties.
At one point, Barrett appeared to (rather gingerly) press Duff on whether he made the 40% claim or not, but eventually dropped the issue and went along with Duff’s story that the audio wasn’t real. Barrett warned his listeners not believe everything they read on the Internet, and later seemed to suggest that the Mossad was behind the video (time stamp 43m54s).
Full Story can be found here... (http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/response-to-gordon-duff-kevin-barrett-mike-harris-and-jeff-rense)
You can find the links to the audio/interviews/etc.. at the link provided above.
Honest question here,,, Why is Gordon Duff covering this up??? Why did he say it in the first place?? Mossad??? Really???
This is your chance to win me over!!! If he didn't say it at all, then i have to eat mee words, no?
Looking forward to somebody unraveling this thing...
Jake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTwwBCztZH4&feature=player_embedded
GuyFox
16th June 2014, 04:53
Jake
- The Video seems to have been removed - have you a link to another copy?
Are you concerned about Duff having said:
"40% of what I say is misinformation" ?
That gets a big yawn from me - since we have already talked about the reasons he might have said that.
Let me ask you something:
If someone says: "Everything I say is a Lie."
Are they Lying or telling the truth?
GuyFox
16th June 2014, 05:08
Herein, Kevin Barratt covers some of the same territory, as Stew Webb did:
http://noliesradio.org/archives/84041
Gordon Duff: Russians have blown 9/11 wide open! _ on Kevin Barrett’s Truth Jihad Radio
This show was broadcast on June 14, 2014.
Guest: Gordon Duff, Senior Editor, Veterans Today.
Gordon has posted evidence pointing toward nuclear demolition of the Twin Towers. He says the Russian government has recently published documents supporting that interpretation, including copies of a classified 2003 Energy Department (DOE) report on the nuclear events at Ground Zero. The backstory: Gordon says Israel has 20 nuclear weapons planted in major US cities, and 9/11 was a “demonstration” used to blackmail the US into fighting Israel’s wars in the Middle East.
“The primary purpose of the nuclear weapon used on 9/11 was to produce a massive Gama ray / neutron flux that would vaporize about 150 to 300 feet of 6 inch thick steel I beams that constituted the central core of the WTC buildings. This created a free fall event as seen on TV that day.”
Nine
16th June 2014, 05:38
Since my thinking cap is on....
Wade Fraser of Avalon talks about free energy and personal integrity and how the two go hand and hand....
Gordon is telling us about government and its total lack of personal integrity and the consequences of such things.
The two are related....all governments are corrupt and that is fact and so what Gordon is talking about is a private non governmental group of concerned human beings.....which I am one of those if that is true....
I am going to have to listen to Gordon's talk one more time even though his words are so painful to hear on a personal level....
Wade talks of Godzilla and his activities and so Godzilla is in factions now and how this plays out is any ones guess....
I am so pro American that I might be blinded to a pro humanity approach to thinking upon such issues....
Gordon is a good man....
Well dearest Avalon thanks for listening to my rants...
Nine
I agree with you that GD is a good man. Strangely, some people seem to want to deify him. Not my style ... at all. So many are just aching to have some leader to follow.
Dearest David,
I don't think that anyone can lead us out of this mess in America since its to far gone with corruption but with that said maybe the answer is for folks to maybe disengage from the system any way that they can.
The best case for America is for the Military to take over and history shows that the people never benefit from that sort of thing yet I see that as a possible end game with all of this "stuff" upon the internet.
However, we must consider what Gordon posted from what the Russians released concerning 9/11.
I believe this to be the truth of the matter concerning that event.
We must also consider that some massive false flag opperation may come upon us and lets hope that this is part of Gordon's 40%.....
Nine
Nine
16th June 2014, 06:26
Guyfox,
At the 24 minute mark on Gordon's talk with Mike Harris is a discussion of free energy and Tesla technology and how folks simply can not imagine the power available in the universe.
Gordon mentioned that this technology is already in use and that the suppression is worse than the middle ages and the Church when it comes to physics and the laws of science and its all suppressed....
This is the stuff of Avalon's dear Wade Fraiser and I highly recommend a read of his writings....
Nine
GuyFox
16th June 2014, 07:29
Guyfox,
At the 24 minute mark on Gordon's talk with Mike Harris is a discussion of free energy and Tesla technology and how folks simply can not imagine the power available in the universe.
Gordon mentioned that this technology is already in use and that the suppression is worse than the middle ages and the Church when it comes to physics and the laws of science and its all suppressed....
This is the stuff of Avalon's dear Wade Fraiser and I highly recommend a read of his writings....
Nine
I am prepared to believe what Duff says about Free Energy.
But that DOES NOT mean that the QEG is not a sham/or a scam.
Because even if FE does exist (in Cold Fusion, or whatever), there are still far too many Free Energy scams being promoted now.
GuyFox
16th June 2014, 13:26
Duff may be right about Tony Blair - who is acting like a cornered rat
Boris Johnson denounces Tony Blair as 'unhinged' on Iraq
The mayor of London has issued a strong condemnation of the former prime minister's views on the Middle East
Tony Blair's "unhinged" attempt to rewrite history is undermining arguments for western intervention in Iraq, the London mayor Boris Johnson has claimed in an extraordinary personal attack on the former prime minister.
Blair took to the media over the weekend to make the case for a tough response to the extremist insurgency in Iraq, insisting it was caused by a failure to deal with the Syria crisis rather than the 2003 US-led invasion.
His intervention was met with widespread criticism from Labour figures and others as extremists posted pictures apparently showing the killing of dozens of Iraqi soldiers by jihadist fighters.
In his condemnation of Blair the London Mayor accused the ex-Labour leader of having sent British forces into the bloody conflict in part to gain personal "grandeur".
==
> http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/15/boris-johnson-unhinged-tony-blair
Jake
16th June 2014, 13:41
Jake
- The Video seems to have been removed - have you a link to another copy?
Are you concerned about Duff having said:
"40% of what I say is misinformation" ?
That gets a big yawn from me - since we have already talked about the reasons he might have said that.
Let me ask you something:
If someone says: "Everything I say is a Lie."
Are they Lying or telling the truth?
Kinda my point,,, you just can't believe anything they say... The vid does not work because Mike Harris (of VT) has filed a copyright claim with youtube,, it is the same vid that orijinally showed Duff Saying what he said. Now he (Duff) is saying that Mossad spliced the audio together, and that the audio is fake!!
I will stop demanding an answer... Some folks will follow others blindly, and some folks will think for themselves,, no worries mate... It really is none of my business who folks follow.
I think that i have demonstrated that!!!
If you click the link to the article that i quoted, you will find the interviews with Duff saying that the audio is fake. I included the vid that was removed from youtube, to show that, indeed, this vid has been removed... ie,,, Gordon Duff is denying ever saying it, and VT is in the middle of a cover-up via Mike Harris and others.
Let me ask you something:
If someone says: "Everything I say is a Lie."
Are they Lying or telling the truth?
I would say, quit listening to Limbaugh or Gordon Duff... And that problem may reverse itself... :)
With only 40% lies,,, I can still prop myself up,, even though folks are finding consistent lies within my rantings...
100& 60 % 40%,,,,, either way,, I don't listen to known, ADMITTED liars. (misinformation,, not trying to insult)
With Gordon Duff trying to deny what he said, (even though we all heard it) and suggest that Mossad is cutting and pasting audio together to discredit him,, I will simply roll my eyes and shake my head,, and move on with my life...
cheers to all..
Jake.
PS to guyfox and nine. I am NOT trying to insult you,, maybe poke a bit at Duff. Please understand, again, i do not go around bashing Duff. (Maybe Limbaugh) :) Cheers to both of you. :)
GuyFox
16th June 2014, 13:55
I will check my notes -
I think I heard Duff say something months ago about reporting some misinformation.
I know someone close to Harris, and I have exchanged some emails with him in the past, so I may be able to ask him.
But I will not try that before checking my own notes.
I think this 40% thing is incredibly tiny next to the enormity of the Crimes that VT has been writing about, supported it seems, by intentional leaks from Russian intelligence concerning nuclear weapons, the Israelis, and 9/11.
I am more than a little surprised you are bothering with it. But, hey, that's your business, I suppose
Jake
16th June 2014, 14:11
I will check my notes -
I think I heard Duff say something months ago about reporting some misinformation.
I know someone close to Harris, and I have exchanged some emails with him in the past, so I may be able to ask him.
But I will not try that before checking my own notes.
I think this 40% thing is incredibly tiny next to the enormity of the Crimes that VT has been writing about, supported it seems, by intentional leaks from Russian intelligence concerning nuclear weapons, the Israelis, and 9/11.
I am more than a little surprised you are bothering with it. But, hey, that's your business, I suppose
That would be awesome! I have beat the 40% thing to death because he is now denying ever saying it... Some say that Nixon would have never had to resign, if it weren't for the COVER-UP... Lies and cover-ups?? I would imagine that Him and his staff are busy with other things...
I can stretch my wee brain, and imagine that folks on Duffs staff are okay with disinfo, as a 'poetic license',,, but are they all okay with cover-ups?? Good thing that his staff is full of former (and current) Government alphabet soup!! Makes the cover-up business go 'round,, i suppose...
I am more than surprised that folks do not care if they are being lied to!!! You can give hem a pass,, none of mee business... But giving him a pass, on a personal note,,, does not explain the hows and whys of the lies and coverups.... Not everyone is okay with being lied to!!! (can you believe that??)
If every single leader in the Truther movement insist that they have to lie with almost half of everything that they say,,, then i would not listen to a single damn one of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE THEN IT IS NOT THE TRUTH ANYMORE!!!!!
Cheers, mate
Jake.
GuyFox
16th June 2014, 14:49
The only note I can find is THIS:
"If only 60% is true, it is still mind-blowing"
So he probably said something like that - 40% could be disinformation
Jake
16th June 2014, 15:11
Did you listen to the small 2 minute vid where he admits to disinfo? I will quote it here, and I will post it again.
"I don't know of any imaginable way of getting information (pause) First of all, because, uh,, (pause) about 30 percent, based on what I believe, (pause) and thats,, you know what? (pause, laughs) Who says I am right?? According to MY beliefs, and i have as good as access to information as anyone in the world,, PROBABLY,, anyone that i know of.. About 30% of what's on Veterans Today, is patently False. About 40% of what I WRITE is, at least, purposely, partially false,,, If i didn't write false information, i wouldnt be alive!" Gordon Duff.
And here is the vid with him saying it..... (despite an effort to cover this video up)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m-ZY0R1HdQ
refer to timestamp 0:46
Yet, he is now denying saying it. Gordon is now making light of it and trying to laugh it off. Says the audio is fake, and that Mossad cut and spliced audio to set him up....
If this all adds up to a perfectly acceptable and responsible method of telling the truth,,, then so be it... I do not buy it. Not for a second.
I would love to see a responsible comment from VT, Mike Harris or Gordon Duff regarding this episode.
Jake.
loungelizard
17th June 2014, 10:35
Wow.
You caught him! That dang Gordon Duff was exaggerating again!
He said: 70,000! The actual number in the story was 67,000!
Wow - you really caught him in a big lie!
Here's the actual story:
"A wave of Wall Street stockbrokers and traders are coming down with cancers blamed on the toxic dust and smoke of 9/11.
They’re joining ill Ground Zero first-responders in seeking payments from the $2.7 billion federal September 11th Victim Compensation Fund.
Of 622 cancer claims approved so far, the fund has awarded $15.5 million to 39 victims, a spokeswoman told The Post.
Officials would not give a breakdown of cancer victims, but 10,800 downtown workers make up the second-largest group of registered claimants after 39,500 Ground Zero responders. There are another 16,600 in smaller categories such as residents, students, child-care and health-care workers."
==
> http://nypost.com/2014/04/20/wall-street-workers-with-911-linked-cancers-seek-compensation/
> similar : http://mwcnews.net/focus/politics/41703-9-11.html
Let's recap:
+ 10,800 downtown workers
+ 39,500 Ground Zero responders
+ 16,600 in smaller categories such as residents, students, child-care and health-care workers
========
= 66,900 Claims.
Hey, that's close enough to "70,000" to give Duff a check-mark, from me !
Probably, we'd find something similar, if we look into the mud the other mud-slingers are tossing in here. They never bother the check THEIR claims! Too busy sleeping on their sofas, probably (haha)
The figure of 66,900 does NOT refer to the number of cancer victims. It is the number of people who have registered for the Victim Compensation Fund.
The number of cancer victims was actually 1,140 the last time I checked, although obviously and sadly, this number is only going to increase with time.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2418385/One-thousand-9-11-Ground-Zero-responders-diagnosed-cancer.html
Hello Guy Fox - I wondered if you'd had a chance to look into these disputed figures yet?
GuyFox
17th June 2014, 10:49
The numbers above are clear - arent they?
=================================
Kerry Cassidy, with Miles Johnston, and Mike Harris
(Jump in at 1:06 Hours - and I think you will like it):
zwNgPILyQPA
: Harris talks about how to live
: ww3 ; a serious issue - the west is being collapsed
: Alien interventions right now.
: A "new as-sryan prince" will emerge
: The Cabal will try to burn things to the ground
: But a new group is emerging, with a new paradigm
: We need to look inside, and do what we know is right
: (Mike is heavily influenced by Dr RAM on this last part, I think)
: I know they have become good friends - and DrRAM speaks like that
(at 1:25 Hours in)
"The Bush family had a bad week.
The Russians did an intel dump, and they and the Clintons were caught Red-handed,
dealing in illegal weapons (over 350 weapons!) through the Israelis.
This includes the Nuke that did 9/11.
The info is out there now, to (indict or hang) them all."
MH: "Expect the Fed to call an emergency meeting in the next 30 days.
The Sh-t is hitting the Fan right now !"
loungelizard
17th June 2014, 11:13
Thanks for that Guy Fox but unfortunately I can't watch videos (appallingly slow internet connection :ohwell:) so perhaps you could explain in words how Gordon Duff arrived at the figure of 70,000 cancer victims?
Thanks!
GuyFox
17th June 2014, 12:03
LL,
The Elephant in the room is the trafficing of nuclear weapons - by former Presidents and the Israeli's,
and evidence that such weapons were behind 9/11.
And you want to talk about whether a speck on the wall is a fly or not, (?)
I'm just not interested. Nor is any one else (who sees the Big Picture.)
Are you a misinformation specialist or something? That is how you are behaving, and it ain't pretty.
loungelizard
17th June 2014, 12:21
I am simply asking how Gordon Duff arrived at his claim that there are 70,000 cancer victims.
I am interested in this, as exaggeration muddies the water.
GuyFox
17th June 2014, 12:55
Send him an email, and maybe he will tell you.
67,000 "claimants" looks pretty close to 70,000 "victims".
You are qwibbling over nothing, while the Big Villains walk around free, starting wars.
How about some perspective (?!)
Yours is an old misinformation - news qwelling trick.
And I hope your efforts on behalf of the forces of darkness are lucrative enough to give some meaning to this deception for you.
Jake
17th June 2014, 13:47
Send him an email, and maybe he will tell you.
67,000 "claimants" looks pretty close to 70,000 "victims".
You are qwibbling over nothing, while the Big Villains walk around free, starting wars.
How about some perspective (?!)
Yours is an old misinformation - news qwelling trick.
And I hope your efforts on behalf of the forces of darkness are lucrative enough to give some meaning to this deception for you.
Guyfox,,, why can you not answer a question without insulting someone???
Loungelizard,, hello. The difference between 67,000 and 70,000 is WELL within the misinformation range that Duffian Theologists are used to. Also, isn't it revealing that being concerned about 3,000 victims is considered 'qwibbling over NOTHING'??
Also,, please do email Duff and/or his staff regarding the question at hand... But DON'T hold your breath, waiting for a response... Just fyi...
Guyfox... I've gotten better responses from children... Whenever someone poses a question that you do not have an answer for,,, perhaps you should do your part to inform yourself, rather than attack and insult. I recently banned myself for 3 days, because of an insult that looks a lot like yours. Has someone given you the Okay to insult who you want, when you want???
It is clear that you don't have anything intelligent to say... I have asked you repeatedly to try and answer for Duff,,, but you can't,,, NOBODY CAN... Only Duff can,, and it is clear that he won't,,,,, so case closed. Duff has admitted to being an 'agent' of gross misinformation,,, and you will defend him at all costs, without bothering to look clearly at the FACTS....
There really is nothing more to say... Your wee poll indicates what i have been saying all along. No matter what Duff brings to the table,,, he is an admitted fraud. and MOST people Don't buy it. If he were responsible,, he would shut up and let more honest people add more honest information to the debate.. But instead he launches an embarrassing 'expose' satire, and demands that HIS TEAM IS THE ONLY WINNING TEAM.
If you must worship a pundant,,, at least worship one worth his weight in honesty...
I keep coming back here, thinking/hoping that Guyfox has an answer, but he does not. Just insults.
Very sad.
Jake.
donk
17th June 2014, 13:58
Heh, I stopped reading Duff material the second he admitted a portion of it is deliberate disinfo, but had to peek to see why this thread seems to have some traction, glad to see this being discussed.
I imagine the Russian "alt/truth" crowd having threads and serious discussions about Sorcha Faal material, trying to discern the "truth" from the disinfo necessarily injected for that entity's survival...all the while mocking the silly Americans that take Gordon Duff's "information" seriously.
C'mon, we're better than this, right? Nyett??
GuyFox
17th June 2014, 14:09
Jake,
I really think you need to focus on the elephant, and leave the meaningless specks to themselves.
You havent posted a single thing about the BEEF in this sandwich, you just keep worrying about the size of the sesame seeds.
Truly, I wonder why.
If there is an orchestrated team here that discredits everything from Duff and VT then why not let use know, rather than being forced to guess people's motives from their comments. That way, we will know what to expect in reactions to future posts.
donk
17th June 2014, 14:17
I'm not part of an orchestrated team (or am I?? ;):p)...and I am not trying to DIScredit necessarily...just wondering where he gets any "credit" from at all?
I don't think Jake is part of team...but if he was, it's silly to ask him to tell you--he'd necessarily have to lie to exist here if he was, right? Just like Sorch...I mean Gordon...
GuyFox
17th June 2014, 14:26
Just asking.
Do you really think that throwaway remark about "40% disinformation" is a huge deal?
Of course, he has to say that (though 40% is a big number).
I think what he may have meant to say was something like:
"More than half of what I say here is completely true. Some of it is exaggerated or obscured, so I can stay alive."
Had he said that, his detractor would have had less ammunition to use against him.
Do you really think he is 40% Disinfo? I don't.
He isn;t the only one talking about Russian Intel dumps and the Nuclear weapons.
That info really puts some trouble in the way of the Israelis' which may be why the Duff-detractors are going crazy here.
I have seen it so many times before on other websites. And some revealing articles have come out admitting this.
Jake
17th June 2014, 14:47
There is absolutely NO beef in this sandwich,,, just sour pickles,,, 40% of them are rotten, but i suspect you will keep eating it...
I don't know of anyone here who is orchestrating and discrediting Duff and/or VT,, Quite the opposite, actually. There are folks here that seem to have to attack and insult anyone who DOESN'T agree with Duff... This isn't my first rodeo, Guyfox!!! :)
I have this conversation going with other folks in my life,,, and i am getting some pretty good, well thought out responses on behalf of Duff. I was hoping that you would put on your thinking cap and deliver some intelligent responses. But NOOOOOOOOO.
Here is the Beef,, continue to ignore it, continue to attack, continue to pretend that IT DOES NOT MATTER. IT MATTERS, BROTHER.
1) Duff admits lying to your face!
2) You love him for it!
3) Duff denies saying it in the first place. (says mossad set him up for christs sake)
3) You love him for it.
4) Gordon Duff is now given license to say whatever lie he wants to.
5) You love him for it.
6) Whatever mountain of information that Duff pretends to own,,,, they are lies, by admission...
There are intelligent tid bits that you could slam me on, but you haven't bothered to find them.
Guyfox can insult and attack other members, without provocation, and without being challenged,, which means that he never has to tell the truth,, just stick to the assaulting of members of this forum!!! A situation that i will NOT be ignoring any longer... Show me again, that you don't give a damn about the forum guidelines regarding respectful discourse, and I will show you how much that I DO!!!
I love disagreeing and having passionate debate. The insults stop right here, Guyfox...
To Gordon Duff: Dude, I wish you could see the type of person that defends you!!! lol... You are creating monsters with your lies!!!!
Jake.
GuyFox
17th June 2014, 14:49
"Guyfox can insult and attack other members, without provocation, and without being challenged,, which means that he never has to tell the truth,, just stick to the assaulting of members of this forum!!! A situation that i will NOT be ignoring any longer... Show me again, that you don't give a damn about the forum guidelines regarding respectful discourse, and I will show you how much that I DO!!!
I love disagreeing and having passionate debate. The insults stop right here, Guyfox.."
Jake, Stop it!
I haven't insulted anyone.
You have insulted me (again)... while doing your best to take this thread OFF message
Do we have to go through this nonsense every week?
Jake
17th June 2014, 15:06
Jake, Stop it!
I haven't insulted anyone.
You have insulted me (again)
Do we have to go through this nonsense every week?
Yours is an old misinformation - news qwelling trick.
And I hope your efforts on behalf of the forces of darkness are lucrative enough to give some meaning to this deception for you.
This is an insult!! Did you ever actually READ the forum guidelines??? Because your membership here depended on it!!!
I will be there every time you decide to attack and insult another member. Every day, every week every single time. I have had to ban members who were much more respectable than you.
Feel free to insult me, Guyfox. Just me!! I can take it. You have revealed yourself anyways... But if you continue to insult members of this forum, then you will be given a time out,,, just like the one that i gave myself. Self moderation is the key, but you do not have the capability,, so YES,,, i will be babysitting your comments from now on. You can avoid this whole thing if you would, simply, NOT INSULT AND ATTACK PEOPLE.
There are plenty of other forums that allow the ugly insults and childlike responses.
Guyfox,,, This is a serious problem. Just don't attack and insult!! Why is that so hard??
How dare you assume that you will not be held to the standards of the rest of the forum!!!
I am ashamed at myself for letting you insult members already.
Jake.
loungelizard
17th June 2014, 16:31
"The difference between 67,000 and 70,000 is WELL within the misinformation range that Duffian Theologists are used to. Also, isn't it revealing that being concerned about 3,000 victims is considered 'qwibbling over NOTHING'?? "
Thanks for that suggestion about emailing Gordon Duff for clarification Jake - I've just done so, and will post his reply...if and when I receive one.
Apologies if some see me as pernickety :rolleyes: but I'm talking about a difference between 70,000 cancer victims (according to Gordon Duff) and 1,140 cancer victims (according to the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health, the Lancet and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention). That's a significant difference.
"Yours is an old misinformation - news qwelling trick."
Which trick is that, Guy Fox? The one where we try to uncover the truth?? As opposed to the old ad hominem attack trick? :o
Gardener
17th June 2014, 17:17
Yours is an old misinformation - news qwelling trick.
And I hope your efforts on behalf of the forces of darkness are lucrative enough to give some meaning to this deception for you.
Excuse me jumping in here, in the above quote, how is this not personally insulting?
Nine
17th June 2014, 18:04
Jake
If you censor guy on this issue please cancel my Avalon membership.
If duff is lying about nukes then prove it jake!
I plan on contacting bill Ryan about your behavior as a mod type bully!
Thank you
Nine
Nine
17th June 2014, 18:19
Well jake
Me thinks your posts stirred the pot!
Then once well stirred you come down with the heavy hand of your authority!
Reminds me of how my former employer the Feds acted!!
No insults here jake just an honest feeling
Nine
Sebastion
17th June 2014, 19:21
I think you are doing a fine job Jake, please keep it up!!
Yours is an old misinformation - news qwelling trick.
And I hope your efforts on behalf of the forces of darkness are lucrative enough to give some meaning to this deception for you.
Excuse me jumping in here, in the above quote, how is this not personally insulting?
Nine
17th June 2014, 19:42
90 % of the "so called"alt media is BS.
So if duff and vt get 60% ....they are way ahead of the game
Nine
Nine
17th June 2014, 19:45
Avalon is full of new agers
No diff between them and the zio Christo's
Just an opine
Nine
Jake
17th June 2014, 21:32
Well jake
Me thinks your posts stirred the pot!
Then once well stirred you come down with the heavy hand of your authority!
Reminds me of how my former employer the Feds acted!!
No insults here jake just an honest feeling
Nine
Hello, Nine.. I am very sorry that you were treated that way. Thank you for disagreeing without insulting. Please allow me to address your concerns.
If by 'stir the pot', you mean that I voiced my opinion, then yes, I stirred the pot. Not sure what you mean by 'heavy hand of authority', as i have not acted on anything Guyfox has said, other than dialogue in this thread. I am well within my rights to advise to the moderation staff that something should be done about the clear violation of forum guidelines. But i have not. I have only engaged with dialogue. Even if i did suggest that something be done,, it is a team response, not really a chance for me to be tyrranical, as you suggest.
I realize that my actions and words will be held to a higher standard by many members. That is perfectly fine. That does not mean that i am not allowed an opinion. If i were a counter intel agent, trying to plant distasteful and/or misleading information,, i would be led out of Avalon, straight away.
You may see my opinions as rhetoric, but i assure you that everything that i do, as a mod, is intended to bring about a better free flow of ideas. Wherever there are insults and attacks,,, the freeflow if ideas STOPS!!!! Have you ever noticed?? I sure have.
I will make this clear now! GuyFox and I disagree, strongly regarding the subject matter of this discussion. I have laid out some challenges for folks who truly consider Duffs information. My advice regarding Guyfox and his reading of the Forum Guidelines has nothing to do with him and I disagreeing.. It has everything to do with consistent and remarkable attacks and insults.
Nine, Avalon is not a bloodsport for me. I love this place, and intend to protect it from being manipulated by the folks who cannot engage, without putting others down. Believe it or not, I look forward to better, more intelligent discourse from members every day...
Jake.
Jake
17th June 2014, 22:17
Jake
If you censor guy on this issue please cancel my Avalon membership.
If duff is lying about nukes then prove it jake!
I plan on contacting bill Ryan about your behavior as a mod type bully!
Thank you
Nine
Feel free to take whatever action that comforts you. But before you do,, (if I were you) I would look up a definition of the word 'censor'. I have complained, wholeheartedly about insults and attacks,,, nothing here has been censored, shame on you for suggesting it. I have practically BEGGED Guy to address the issue,, but was met with attacks. He assumed that it was okay to attack the person with the unpopular point of view, a tactic that has probably worked out for him. It will not fly here.
Cheers, Jake.
PS, i never said he was lying about nukes,,, but HE did!!!
Nine
18th June 2014, 04:31
Jake,
Really,
Not posting here would be a great benefit...
You provide no evidence whatsoever that Duff is a lier...
He could very well be ...However, I think you should provide evidence that what went down on 9/11 and what Duff dumped is a bunch of lies.
I follow few blogs and bloggers since most of there supposed intel is bull****.
I worked for the feds for a long time and saw many things and you can take that or leave that....
Less internet and more real life is the prescription for most here on Avalon....just saying...
Can't do anything about what goes down anyhow....
talk talk talk and the perps are still roaming the world Jake....so what does it matter....your opine is just as valid as mine or anyone elses thats for sure....
Nine
Nine
18th June 2014, 04:53
Jake
If you censor guy on this issue please cancel my Avalon membership.
If duff is lying about nukes then prove it jake!
I plan on contacting bill Ryan about your behavior as a mod type bully!
Thank you
Nine
Feel free to take whatever action that comforts you. But before you do,, (if I were you) I would look up a definition of the word 'censor'. I have complained, wholeheartedly about insults and attacks,,, nothing here has been censored, shame on you for suggesting it. I have practically BEGGED Guy to address the issue,, but was met with attacks. He assumed that it was okay to attack the person with the unpopular point of view, a tactic that has probably worked out for him. It will not fly here.
Cheers, Jake.
PS, i never said he was lying about nukes,,, but HE did!!!
Well Jake,
Coming from a bunch of arrogant assh@#es that I used to work for this comment of yours rates right up there with the best of the best of the agency BS...
very condescending....
I simply do not like you one bit....but you of course are in charge....here that is and not in real life....
Time to move on....
Nine
Nine
18th June 2014, 05:22
I am going to tell a story about a pal of mine that I worked with who was in Viet Nam for two tours.
My pal has that military baring...you know scary kind of guy...super angry...and in charge of many folks...
We kind of hit it off on the job and so a very close friendship developed and so I watched my pals health deteriorate to the point of seeing my fellow employees and many a manager turn upon him and try to have him removed from duty.
Not a lick of compassion nor any human decency at all.
He came to me one day asking for a statement of how he was being treated by his co-workers and a few select managers and of course I gave him one.
I simply told the truth and that truth got many in trouble and I found out one thing the hard way and that is nothing is private and nothing is confidential in the Federal system...
I watched him lose 40 lbs until they figured out what was wrong with him....
It was his thyroid and they treated him for it yet the meds made him sleepy on the job which brought more repercussions and so it went...
He shared with me that every man that he served with in Viet Nam is dead from cancer and other aliments....every man....
And so from that experience that is why I have such a great respect for Gordon Duff and VT.....
And so war is the ultimate racket and now we have a suicide modual built into every focked up soldier....from the vaccines to the depleted uranium to the stuff only God himself knows that many were exposed to....to the va not treating the sick....
Thank you for your time....
Nine
Nine
18th June 2014, 06:28
Duff's experience in his war....
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/26/the-last-bayonet-charge-in-vietnam-continues/
Read this report dearest Jake....please take the time to read it....
I never served in the US military but I sure worked along side those that did and I was a witness to what happened to many and how government at all levels simply turns a blind eye...
The internet is not total awareness but near total bull****....but not total....
There is enough truth for those who are seeking such....
Nine
loungelizard
18th June 2014, 11:22
As I said, I emailed GD to ask for clarification about his claims that 70,000 people have developed cancer following 9/11. He replied as below:
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I then wrote back asking for evidence of these claims, and haven't heard back as yet.
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Although there may be those who are happy to accept his claims without feeling any need to see evidence to support them, that's not the way I work. That does not mean I am evil incarnate, part of the "dark forces" :angel:
When someone states as fact something that directly contradicts all other documented evidence, there is a need for that person to prove their case in order to gain any credibility - the burden of proof is on them. As David Hume wrote, "A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence".
GD asserted in his email that 100% of the 70,000 registrants to the Victim Compensation Fund have cancer. That is categorically not true.
According to the Victim Compensation Fund, this is a breakdown of the many diseases for which victims have claimed compensation.
• Interstitial lung diseases
• Chronic Respiratory Disorder
• Asthma
• Reactive Airways Dysfunction Syndrome (RADS)
• WTC-exacerbated Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD)
• Chronic Cough Syndrome
• Upper airway hyperreactivity
• Chronic rhinosinusitis
• Chronic nasopharyngitis
• Chronic lryngitis
• Gastroesophageal Reflux Disorder (GERD)
• Sleep apnea exacerbated by or related to the above conditions
• Low back pain
• Carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS)
• Certain other musculoskeletal disorders caused by repetitive stress on the joints or skeleton during the covered period
• Traumatic injuries, such as broken bones, head injuries and other blunt traumas
• 50 specific variants of 14 different types of WTC-related cancers, including lung, breast, colon, trachea, esophageal, kidney, bladder, skin, thyroid, blood and ovarian cancers, as well as childhood cancers.
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http://www.vcf.gov/pdf/VCFStatusReportNov2013.pdf
Jake
18th June 2014, 13:11
Nine, you speak in riddles and broken sentences. I am able to make out some of what you say..
You provide no evidence whatsoever that Duff is a lier...
Please refer to the vid that i posted where Duff himself admits to being a liar!!! I don't have to do a thing... I am only reacting to his own words on the matter. I am guessing that you didn't bother to view it, as you would rather someone tell you what to think than to think for yourself. That is fine...
I don't have to go around proving Duff wrong. He has already done that by an irresponsible admission to tactical disinformation. (Then recants, saying Mossad set him up)
So your claim that i haven't brought a valid argument to the table goes into the dung pile.
I simply do not like you one bit....but you of course are in charge....here that is and not in real life....
Nobody is in charge here, Nine. You are free to post whatever you like. (insults aside) Why don't you start a Gordon Duff Fan Club discussion, i will stay out of it. This particular discussion was disigned by Guyfox to see what people think about Gordon Duff. Well, now he knows.
You don't like me one bit... Then i am doing my job, with regards the ignorance (descriptive word, not meant to insult) of Gordon Worshipers.
I can see that you have trouble discoursing. I will leave you alone about it. but i will point out, that the only reason that this discussion is off course is because of the insulting and the ensueing mayhem. Keep asking me about Guyfox, and i will keep answering,,, but DON'T come back and blame me for derailing this thread. Between you and Guyfox,,, we cannot get to any more good information. I see that loungelizard is being proactive. All you are doing is complaining and whining.. (You did mention that you worked for the government!)
Touching story about war... Is this part of the 40% or the 60%??? You may not realize this, but once someone admits to disinfo,,, the onus is no longer on ME to prove a damn thing... the onus is upon Duff to prove it. I'm not the one out there saying that i am lying....
You can't defend him... Only he can...
Jake.
Coming from a bunch of arrogant assh@#es that I used to work for this comment of yours rates right up there with the best of the best of the agency BS...
BTW your cleverly designed insult does not go unnoticed. I think it is rather funny, though,,, :) If you would be as clever with your insights into Duffs work, you may just get somewhere...
I think you are awesome, Nine. You should learn how to disagree with someone,,
Cheers...
hardrock
18th June 2014, 14:23
I know this thread has deteriorated, but what do you guys make of this release?
http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2014/06/breaking-25-american-cities-currently-have-secretly-planted-nukes-false-flag-imminentww3-2449776.html
onawah
18th June 2014, 19:53
Unless there is also a reputable source for that info, Hardrock, I wouldn't pay much attention to it.
Beforeitsnews is a known disinfo source.
I know this thread has deteriorated, but what do you guys make of this release?
http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2014/06/breaking-25-american-cities-currently-have-secretly-planted-nukes-false-flag-imminentww3-2449776.html
ThePythonicCow
20th June 2014, 09:11
I figure that a good chunk of what most of us say or write will eventually be seen, perhaps even by ourselves, to be wrong. Whether someone admits as much of themselves means little to me, except perhaps when someone claims perfection, leading me to suspect their ego is blinding them.
Rather I have to look at what is said, and see if it seems likely, in the light of my current understandings. Those who have a record of frequently saying (writing) something I found interesting are more likely to remain on my list of those who are worth continued reading. I have however other criteria for that "worth reading" list, some of which are likely just personal quirks and biases of myself at present. Shrug ...
The Israeli nukes blew up the towers story I found persuasive. It fit what else I had concluded about 9/11 and added persuasive additional details.
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I know this thread has deteriorated, but what do you guys make of this release?
http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2014/06/breaking-25-american-cities-currently-have-secretly-planted-nukes-false-flag-imminentww3-2449776.html
If these alleged planted nukes are the small Israeli nukes such as might have destroyed the WTC towers on 9/11, then that's quite a different thing than if they are multi-megaton monsters. The former can take out a block, the latter a major city.
ThePythonicCow
20th June 2014, 09:14
I censored one post above ... which is not to say I was all that happy with some of the other posts either ... but the most recent of the ad hominem posts (a day and half old now) was just too purely ad hominem to sneak past any filters my mind could construct.
loungelizard
20th June 2014, 09:34
Hello Paul
I'd be interested to hear your take on the fact that, if there had been a nuclear explosion on 9/11, the rate of cancers in people exposed to the radiation from that would have gone through the roof. That does not appear to be the case - unless you believe Gordon Duff's claims which he has, as yet, completely failed to substantiate.
According to research published in the Lancet, the increased risk of cancer among first responders is approximately 19% - which is horrendous, but far lower than would have been seen had the attack involved a nuclear device. The overall rate of increase in cancer rate to those exposed to the site is around 14%.
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(11)60989-6/abstract
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/09/01/911.firefighters.cancer/index.html
ThePythonicCow
20th June 2014, 10:19
Hello Paul
I'd be interested to hear your take on the fact that, if there had been a nuclear explosion on 9/11, the rate of cancers in people exposed to the radiation from that would have gone through the roof. That does not appear to be the case - unless you believe Gordon Duff's claims which he has, as yet, completely failed to substantiate.
According to research published in the Lancet, the increased risk of cancer among first responders is approximately 19% - which is horrendous, but far lower than would have been seen had the attack involved a nuclear device. The overall rate of increase in cancer rate to those exposed to the site is around 14%.
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(11)60989-6/abstract
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/09/01/911.firefighters.cancer/index.html
Both the studies you link to (if my quick read is accurate) admit of a moderate increase in cancer risk amongst first responders.
I have not studied the numbers myself, so don't really know. But a proper analysis would, I presume, have to consider:
The rates and types of cancers (some cancer types might be quite rare, and stronger indicators of having breathed radioactive dust.)
The sources of the cancer statistics (official stats are clearly not necessarily unbiased and reliable.)
The different kinds and dispersions of atomic blast radioactivity (not all nukes are equivalent in their radiation.)
The effect of the off-shore Erin hurricane, which perhaps helped sweep the radioactive dust in the air out to sea.
The length of time it takes for cancers to manifest - perhaps many take more than the 10 years that both those two linked articles cover.
Probably other key factors that I didn't think of just now.
Soda
20th June 2014, 12:40
I do not waste my time listening to folks whos base message cannot be delivered without destroying, attacking and otherwise, humiliating others in the truther movement. Duff has done himself a permanent dis-service,,, if you ask me. Whatever 'truth' he posits by satire,,, is overwhelmed by his ego, and his insisting that any voice,, (other than his) is misinformation... I smell a rat...
My brother (rush limbaugh/alabama republican) consistantly derails me for being a 'conspiracy theorist'... "prove it, dumb ass"... thats his line!!! Yet at the same time,, he insists that he has a secret D.O.D. insider, who trickles info to him... I don't know what they did to him in the military,,, but he cannot see the hypocracy... Military minded folks, generally, will not. It is thier way, or nothing....
I didn't see where i could vote for: Complete trickster/joker/muse/jestor....
This is my own opinion...
Jake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWR3iSkk_lI Have you listened to the audio of him about working w/ Israelis?
Nine
20th June 2014, 19:58
I do not waste my time listening to folks whos base message cannot be delivered without destroying, attacking and otherwise, humiliating others in the truther movement. Duff has done himself a permanent dis-service,,, if you ask me. Whatever 'truth' he posits by satire,,, is overwhelmed by his ego, and his insisting that any voice,, (other than his) is misinformation... I smell a rat...
My brother (rush limbaugh/alabama republican) consistantly derails me for being a 'conspiracy theorist'... "prove it, dumb ass"... thats his line!!! Yet at the same time,, he insists that he has a secret D.O.D. insider, who trickles info to him... I don't know what they did to him in the military,,, but he cannot see the hypocracy... Military minded folks, generally, will not. It is thier way, or nothing....
I didn't see where i could vote for: Complete trickster/joker/muse/jestor....
This is my own opinion...
Jake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWR3iSkk_lI Have you listened to the audio of him about working w/ Israelis?
Please do a google on the term "Pete santilli is an FBI shill"
You might find it interesting
Most on the net is bs
Nine
Jake
20th June 2014, 22:19
I do not waste my time listening to folks whos base message cannot be delivered without destroying, attacking and otherwise, humiliating others in the truther movement. Duff has done himself a permanent dis-service,,, if you ask me. Whatever 'truth' he posits by satire,,, is overwhelmed by his ego, and his insisting that any voice,, (other than his) is misinformation... I smell a rat...
My brother (rush limbaugh/alabama republican) consistantly derails me for being a 'conspiracy theorist'... "prove it, dumb ass"... thats his line!!! Yet at the same time,, he insists that he has a secret D.O.D. insider, who trickles info to him... I don't know what they did to him in the military,,, but he cannot see the hypocracy... Military minded folks, generally, will not. It is thier way, or nothing....
I didn't see where i could vote for: Complete trickster/joker/muse/jestor....
This is my own opinion...
Jake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWR3iSkk_lI Have you listened to the audio of him about working w/ Israelis?
Please do a google on the term "Pete santilli is an FBI shill"
You might find it interesting
Most on the net is bs
Nine
I googled 'pete santilli is an fbi shill', and got this awesome video, explaining how Pete Santilli has been vindicated of the BS claims about being FBI... :) Thanks for the heads up.. You have saved the day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8EZH7eLmCA#t=19
Chortle
Jake.
My turn, Nine,,,, Please click here for more information... (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gordon+duff+admits+disinfo+at+VT)
Nine
20th June 2014, 22:37
I do not waste my time listening to folks whos base message cannot be delivered without destroying, attacking and otherwise, humiliating others in the truther movement. Duff has done himself a permanent dis-service,,, if you ask me. Whatever 'truth' he posits by satire,,, is overwhelmed by his ego, and his insisting that any voice,, (other than his) is misinformation... I smell a rat...
My brother (rush limbaugh/alabama republican) consistantly derails me for being a 'conspiracy theorist'... "prove it, dumb ass"... thats his line!!! Yet at the same time,, he insists that he has a secret D.O.D. insider, who trickles info to him... I don't know what they did to him in the military,,, but he cannot see the hypocracy... Military minded folks, generally, will not. It is thier way, or nothing....
I didn't see where i could vote for: Complete trickster/joker/muse/jestor....
This is my own opinion...
Jake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWR3iSkk_lI Have you listened to the audio of him about working w/ Israelis?
Please do a google on the term "Pete santilli is an FBI shill"
You might find it interesting
Most on the net is bs
Nine
I googled 'pete santilli is an fbi shill', and got this awesome video, explaining how Pete Santilli has been vindicated of the BS claims about being FBI... :) Thanks for the heads up.. You have saved the day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8EZH7eLmCA#t=19
Chortle
Jake.
Jake
Typing from me phone
Sorry bought the type
Did you watch the vid?
Kind of crazy so you said "chortle"
Do not know what to make of a lot of these folks
Nine
Jake
20th June 2014, 22:49
Yes, Chortle...
chor·tle
ˈCHôrtl/Submit
verb
1.
laugh in a breathy, gleeful way; chuckle.
"he chortled at his own pun"
I chortled because of this new fun Google trick i learned,,, please don't be offended. Also, Guy and I are trying to work things out. Please try and not pour fuel on the fire.
Please click here...
(http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Gordon+Duff+admits+to+disinfo+at+VT)
Nine
20th June 2014, 23:10
Jake
Have read all that info
Still think on most stuff duff is worth a read while keeping all that in mind
Not About to fan any flames and would rather see the fire go out
Nine
Soda
21st June 2014, 12:50
Whether Pete Santilli is this or that is irrelevant. He still published a gem that exposes Duff. Did you listen to Gordon Duff brag and boast about working w/ Israelis? His own words are all I needed to hear. Never mind who is on the other side of the conversation.
Sean
24th June 2014, 01:09
Gordon Duff Stuns the World - In His "for President" Expose
/ I don't think he is actually running for President,
but in this tour de force he shows the leadership in courage we used to expect
from "The Leader of the Free World" /
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VT Radio (6-4-14) Stew Webb, Gordon Duff, Jim Fetzer as "Gordon Unloads"
Published on Jun 4, 2014
Stew Webb & Jim Fetzer both believe this is one of Gordon Duff's best interviews! Gordon unloads on a wide range of topics. Some of the topics covered are:
The 350 stolen W54 nuclear warheads that were illegally sold out the back door when they were supposed to be destroyed by US facilities and how those weapons have been traced to Israel and were used to take down the towers during 9/11
Proof of the stolen W54 warheads through pictures of a UN recovery operation of the nuclear pits in South Africa
The nano thermite theory was a government psyop from the beginning and all who pushed it are being paid as intelligence assets including Alex Jones and many others.
How Alex Jones has been outed as controlled opposition now by pushing the Israeli Mossad asset Edward Snowden who pushes fairy tales concerning 9/11 to take blame away from the Israelis and the Bushes.
It can now be reported that the US Navy sank 2 Israeli submarines in the May 2013 time frame that were attempting to start the war with Syria. One of these submarines was sank in partial retaliation over the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. It was reported that Israel contracted with Germany to replace the two lost submarines and paid for them with nuclear weapons.
Nuclear pits used to take down the towers were machined and modified in Israel.
Victor Booth as portrayed by Nicholas Cage in the movie "Lord of War" sold these stolen nuclear pits of the US W54 nuclear weapons.
The nuclear bombs used on 9/11 were Neutron Bombs withs 3% fission initiator that vaporized much of the buildings. Dimitri Khalezov was basically right all along and that's why his videos were taken down relentlessly when they first came out!
Russian and French Intelligence are dumping a huge amount of Intelligence files to stop the US insanity of trying to start wars in Ukraine, China, Syria, etc.
US News is now being completely fabricated by the mainstream news sources. The US has no elections and is the most corrupt country on Earth at this time. Our judges are corrupt, our law enforcement is corrupt and our government doesn't answer to the people in any way.
Gordon Duff calls on everybody to get on the winning team now or be destroyed in the future.
Gordon Duff calls on all US Citizens to quit financially supporting and sending out information from known disinformation sources in the alternative media such as Alex Jones, Glenn Beck etc or wake up in a FEMA cell wishing you would have instead pushed the articles written by VeteransToday personnel - the largest and most accurate news organization on the planet that are actually doing something about things now!
Tell ya what..if he ever did run, I'd vote for him.
I don't get anyone who goes after Gordon and defends Alex Jones.Gordon gets it straight from the horse's mouth..he's not a citizen journalist or blogger. He's intel. Not a blogger posting conjecture.. Not a poser. The real deal. I've been reading VT for 2 years now..and you can't GET better info unless you yourself worked for CIA. As far as him going after Alex Jones..AJ is a disinfo agent. sure, he's done some good work. He does that to give himself a veneer of credibility. but his REAL work is to lead people down the garden path away from the truth, not towards it. Same goes for plenty more out there.
VT is serious business; I mean, this guy broke down all of our shared reality in this interview, if you could understand it. His hint to read Preston James is a HUGE CLUE to the people focusing on aliens/UFO's because gordon is deep into that with the real story on most/all of it, and James writes on that subject heavily.
I get that it sounds pretty self-aggrandizing; very "we're it, no need for anyone else". But, you know what..he's right. Until someone comes along with better security clearances,access, and trust level from the people with the hands on the hard info and technology..He pretty much is it, for good or bad.
the way he choked up when he mentioned the insurrection and treason against the US..how concerned he is about humanity..look, he's not an actor and those all rung true for me(and I AM an actor, for 20 years now, so I know when someone is putting on a show). Like everything else, you do have to use discernment. He did mention that up to 40% of VT material was "read between the lines" stuff, meaning, not literally true, but the truth is buried within. I assume it's a way to inform without getting whacked for it. Bottom line with me is,after having read VT for this long, and having the privilege of conversing directly with Jim Dean via email..Gordon Duff and his people are for real.
svein magne
29th June 2014, 06:57
GORDON is CIA -- he know too much - he know everything - com on - he is dangorus he is CIA
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