Is this too simplistic a solution to Wifi radiation?

[angelfire]

I've long been concerned about the dangers to health posed by wifi radiation and more importantly, the part it may be playing in bee and bird die-off. I've just come across this video which suggests a simple solution.....but would this really be effective......?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICA19oKPi5I....

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
I have found that once you get your modem wifi free of RF waves in your house you will still have another problem potentially depending one what printer you have.
I have a samsung CLX 3300 series printer/scanner/fax/photocopier all in one. It gives out more RF than the modem. It was bombarding me without my knowledge. What stop it all was the headaches that I started to get. After testing for RF frequency waves I had everything either stopped or shutoff. Still RF waves everywhere.
Yes, it was the printer/scanner/fax/photocopier.
Now I have the printer unplugged until I want to use it. I use it and then unplug it. Since doing this I haven't had any headaches and I feel so much better.

Have a great day everyone!
chancy

[angelfire]

Thanks for that info, Chancy - next, how to tackle the problems of smartphone radiation?

[mpod001]

Get some orgonite! Research it, it absorbs negative energy and EMF and transforms it into positive energy that is healthy!

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I have a giant Pink sea Salt crystal lamp next to the computer. Should help, right??

[ghostrider]

cell phone transmissions concern me more than the internet ... a voice beamed into an invisible wave , on a very specific frequency , penetrating walls , brick , concrete and steel ... take a hypnotist , now put him on the cell phone and let him broadcast ...he could piggy back on your call , and you feel drained after talking with someone ...hmmmmmm

[The Truth Is In There]

Get some orgonite! Research it, it absorbs negative energy and EMF and transforms it into positive energy that is healthy!

good luck with that. it's what they tell you. if the energy around you is degenerative and disruptive, as wifi or cell phone radiation always is, then it will just reflect and redirect what's already there.

the only thing you can do is shield your home against em-radiation that comes from outside, not use anything that creates em-radiation inside (no man-made electric and magnetic fields either!), and THEN build something to accumulate orgone, but it has to be a proper orgone accumulator in which you can stand or sit to recharge.

the pieces of junk that people call "orgonite" do more harm than good because they redirect orgone only on their n-s axis, that's where they're regenerative (in a cloudbuster that would be up and down). around their equator they pull in the orgone which they redirect so all around they're degenerative.

you can't "create" orgone from thin air, it has to come from somewhere. and likewise you can't just turn "bad" into "good". the only possibility is building an apparatus that creates the exact opposite of the frequencies and amplitudes of the wifi or cell phone tower so they cancel each other out before they reach you.

[The Truth Is In There]

I've long been concerned about the dangers to health posed by wifi radiation and more importantly, the part it may be playing in bee and bird die-off. I've just come across this video which suggests a simple solution.....but would this really be effective......?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICA19oKPi5I....

just watched the video. it's effective for the wifi device that is used but that's it. there are a lot of pc's and notebooks available now which have wifi active permanently. sometimes it can be switched off via software but the notebook will still give off a signal every minute or so, checking for wifi hot spots even if wifi is turned off. that's more than enough to get a massive headache in no time for someone with high energy sensitivity. the only solution is a pc/notebook without wifi or with a hardware switch.

however, wifi is just one problem. people who use cell phones or wireless phones are bombarded with microwaves all the time, especially if they use them and even more so if they use them in somewhat shielded environments like a car or house where the cell phone has to increase its energy output to transmit.

microwave radiation is not just the cause for bird and bee die-offs but for the increase is all kinds of diseases. the last time a marked increase happened was when everybody got electricity, which is almost as bad, just not as far-reaching. if we're still around in 30-40 years the majority of the cell phone generation will have dementia in their 40s and 50s and all kinds of other chronic diseases, allergies, cancers and whatnot. very few people realize that this is the biggest threat to our health and the no.1 means of the depopulation agenda. as usual, the majority of humans is to stupid to recognize a threat when it hits them in the face, they rather embrace it as progress.

[Operator]

just watched the video. it's effective for the wifi device that is used but that's it. there are a lot of pc's and notebooks available now which have wifi active permanently. sometimes it can be switched off via software but the notebook will still give off a signal every minute or so, checking for wifi hot spots even if wifi is turned off.


That's not my experience ... disable the device and it is off. It's a pity the guy did not show/check that with his meter in the video.
Fortunately he did mention it! But I would also rather have seen him using a spectrum analyzer or so (something more professional).



the only solution is a pc/notebook without wifi or with a hardware switch.

Good luck with that ... wifi is forcibly shoved though our throats. I recently bought a new modem. I couldn't get one
without wifi anymore. Fortunately I knew how to switch it off even before watching this video.
Next thing they will do (besides promoting wifi only tablets and phones) is making network printers that can only
connect via wifi.



however, wifi is just one problem. people who use cell phones or wireless phones are bombarded with microwaves all the time, especially if they use them and even more so if they use them in somewhat shielded environments like a car or house where the cell phone has to increase its energy output to transmit.


Correct, but I think the wifi signal is there 100% of the time. GSM and DECT are in intervals of several minutes and only continuously when used.

Besides radiation there is another aspect to it why wifi should rather not be used:

Wi-Vi system uses Wi-Fi to see through walls (http://www.gizmag.com/wi-vi-see-through-walls/28120/)

[ulli]

I bought two cell phone patches six months ago.
The one for my husband was the most urgent and has made a big difference for him,
as he is on his phone all the time.

I even decided to get more involved in this, and invested in the business.
Sales are really slow, still, as people here (Costa Rica) are hard to convince.
Made by a Swiss company called Natural Law.
http://www.naturallaw.eu/qt/index.html

[Operator]

I bought two cell phone patches six months ago.
The one for my husband was the most urgent and has made a big difference for him,
as he is on his phone all the time.

I even decided to get more involved in this, and invested in the business.
Sales are really slow, still, as people here (Costa Rica) are hard to convince.
Made by a Swiss company called Natural Law.
http://www.naturallaw.eu/qt/index.html

I've heard about this technology. I think they use holograms on the stickers ... correct?
There are stickers that would improve mileage of your car when you put them on your gas tank.

I'm skeptical about this technology, but hey, who knows ... would love to see some measurements
with such holograms present.

[ulli]

I bought two cell phone patches six months ago.
The one for my husband was the most urgent and has made a big difference for him,
as he is on his phone all the time.

I even decided to get more involved in this, and invested in the business.
Sales are really slow, still, as people here (Costa Rica) are hard to convince.
Made by a Swiss company called Natural Law.
http://www.naturallaw.eu/qt/index.html

I've heard about this technology. I think they use holograms on the stickers ... correct?
There are stickers that would improve mileage of your car when you put them on your gas tank.

I'm skeptical about this technology, but hey, who knows ... would love to see some measurements
with such holograms present.

It does lend itself to fraud, like many other technologies, nowadays.
But I trust the person who brings these into Costa Rica
as she has dedicated more than 20 years to researching EM Frequency technology.

There really are people out there, albeit quite rare, with independent income, who never have to work,
yet want to be of use to humanity and who just dedicate their time and money to the betterment of all.
She is one of those people, in my view.

[Operator]

It does lend itself to fraud, like many other technologies, nowadays.
But I trust the person who brings these into Costa Rica
as she has dedicated more than 20 years to researching EM Frequency technology.

There really are people out there, albeit quite rare, with independent income, who never have to work,
yet want to be of use to humanity and who just dedicate their time and money to the betterment of all.
She is one of those people, in my view.

As an engineer I am primarily a nuts and bolts kind of guy ... hence being skeptical.
However, I am just listening to Tom Paladino on Sanitas (http://www.sanitasradio.com/guests/2014/06jun/SR-140603-tpaladino.php) who talks
about scalar waves, the universe being holographic, profile signatures, transmission/connection via light etc.
So hmmm, yeah there is good reason to stay open minded about this.

[ulli]

And as an astrologer who still nevertheless retains a healthy skeptical attitude until things have been tried an tested
I already know that frequencies and energetic flows determine many conditions, and can see interaction spanning different dimensions.
But it is an unfortunate reality that many are out to deceive a gullible public,
masses of people who long for simple answers but
don't yet have the skills to double-check what they are being presented with.

So establishing credibility and trustworthiness is a must.
No higher priority exists in todays world, than to show that one has integrity, to oneself and others.
Ethics in business.

[Michael Moewes]

Hi, This is not that easy. as You're exposed to much more than wifi. But wifi is very bad. I recognised the differences in my cats. at home, I switched to these powercord related dlan and the cats became much more agile and healthier, before I had 4 cases with cancer. now I barely need a vet. So if this shows such a significant impact to our pets, imagine the effect on us. But as I mentioned before, there is much more. F.ex. the power wich runs through your house, I used metalflextubes to run the wires through and grounded all of them. also I avoided to let this powercords run in circles. so the distibution of power comes from the center of the house and runs like an x or cross as you prefer. My wife, before had bad sleep and many times head aces. since this change, she went back to great health. B.t.w. no mobile phones allowed besides the entrance hall. and at night swiched off.

[Michael Moewes]

I heal with the influence of frequencies and just ordered two of these patches. I'll se how they work and let You know. Thanks for the post.

[Mac]

I'm convinced that some people get sick from being around electrical appliances and wifi.I found there is a range to it.If i get out of the town to the Sea which is 5 minutes walk it clears.I can also pinpoint with my body when i'm leaving its effects.If i am bare footed the charge/tension leaves my body quicker.I too have cured my sig others headaches by convincing her to try barefoot.Walking on the ridge of washed up stone an pebbles barefoot gives me a flushed face and a lovely meditative mindset.ymmv

[Nick Matkin]

The trouble with these crystals, etc. that are aimed at people who worry about RF radiation is that the vendors take advantage of the fact that most of the purchasers don't have any idea what electromagnetic radiation is, or understand the relevance of frequency and field strength.

Remember in the 1970s people were scared of microwave ovens? Then a few years ago it was all cell phone 'dangers'. Now it's wi-fi and smart meters. But what about the RF coming out of your TV (yes there is), your car's electronics and the nasty switched-mode power supplies in most items of electronics now? They all emit RF - just go up to them with a simple AM radio!

And what about radio and TV transmitters within 50 miles of your home?

As an RF engineer, my experience and that of my many colleagues leads me to believe that the field strengths the public are exposed to are almost certainly harmless. The danger comes when the field strengths are so high that parts of the body start to heat up, like when working too close to a multi-kW TV transmitting antenna.

That won't convince many people on here, I understand that.

Nevertheless, I also consider it possible that a (very) few people may be unusually sensitive the some EM/RF fields. But it's also possible that some people are sensitive to the various chemicals that slowly vent out of electronic devices and not the RF fields - have you considered that?

If buying crystals and other items makes you feel better, no harm is done. But just bear in mind that your anxiety could be being exploited to line the pockets of the unscrupulous.

Nick

[Operator]

The trouble with these crystals, etc. that are aimed at people who worry about RF radiation is that the vendors take advantage of the fact that most of the purchasers don't have any idea what electromagnetic radiation is, or understand the relevance of frequency and field strength.

Remember in the 1970s people were scared of microwave ovens? Then a few years ago it was all cell phone 'dangers'. Now it's wi-fi and smart meters. But what about the RF coming out of your TV (yes there is), your car's electronics and the nasty switched-mode power supplies in most items of electronics now? They all emit RF - just go up to them with a simple AM radio!

And what about radio and TV transmitters within 50 miles of your home?

As an RF engineer, my experience and that of my many colleagues leads me to believe that the field strengths the public are exposed to are almost certainly harmless. The danger comes when the field strengths are so high that parts of the body start to heat up, like when working too close to a multi-kW TV transmitting antenna.

That won't convince many people on here, I understand that.

Nevertheless, I also consider it possible that a (very) few people may be unusually sensitive the some EM/RF fields. But it's also possible that some people are sensitive to the various chemicals that slowly vent out of electronic devices and not the RF fields - have you considered that?

If buying crystals and other items makes you feel better, no harm is done. But just bear in mind that your anxiety could be being exploited to line the pockets of the unscrupulous.

Nick

Hi Nick,

I technically understand what you're saying (we share for a great part a similar background), what are your thoughts on the
following topics

- plants die or don't develop next to a wifi router (bogus or possibly true?)
- plants that get water treated by a microwave don't develop well (bogus or possibly true?)
- voice to skull (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect) communication using modulated RF signals

Or in other words could digitally modulated signals (wifi) negatively influence brain function or wear you out ...
What to think about the woodpecker legend and how the soviets beamed RF at the US embassy.

You are probably the right person for more in depth knowledge on this.

[Mac]

Another angle on this is, look at the moon and how it affects sleep,we don't sleep as deep and it is more fitful during a full.Well people who meditate or naturally just sit empty/relaxed are very close to sleep state but wide awake.Wasn't there a thread on the brains of meditate rs.Maybe these are the type that are more aware of the effects of the modern environment, i don't know.The electro magnetic relationship between Earth and moon affects our consciousness is what a lot say,i tend to agree because like many i feel it's pull.So if our bodies and mind are affected by that, why not man made.Also the Sun affects us too, some get wired when it plays up and know when it's throwing off without looking at data.If anyone doesn't feel these things i totally understand it sounds insane and tin 'foily.Just my opinion as Nicks tidy post got me questioning/thinking.peace

[Nick Matkin]

Hi Nick,

I technically understand what you're saying (we share for a great part a similar background), what are your thoughts on the
following topics

- plants die or don't develop next to a wifi router (bogus or possibly true?)
- plants that get water treated by a microwave don't develop well (bogus or possibly true?)
- voice to skull (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect) communication using modulated RF signals

Or in other words could digitally modulated signals (wifi) negatively influence brain function or wear you out ...
What to think about the woodpecker legend and how the soviets beamed RF at the US embassy.

You are probably the right person for more in depth knowledge on this.

Your first two points are interesting if true. And it really shouldn't be too difficult to prove one way or the other.

Regarding wi-fi and plants, frequency and field strength would need to be considered, together possibly with pulse/modulation of the signal. The type and maturity of plants would also need to be taken into account. Not a particularly difficult project for some keen students I wouldn't have thought. To your knowledge have there been any studies on this or is it purely anecdotal so far?

The second point would be easy to check. But it would need to be set against control plants fed with water from the same source that has been boiled in a kettle or on a stove in a stainless-steel pan. I wouldn't be surprised if plants didn't thrive on cold but recently heated or boiled water simply because it drives all the oxygen out. (Remember the basic science school lesson - put one nail in ordinary tap water, put an identical one in boiled water and see which one goes rusty...?)

I can confirm your third point after working (FAR TOO CLOSELY) next to a radar installation and 'hearing' the 1 kHz PRF. I'm not at all surprised that the technology has been nefariously developed to induce voices in the head!

Nick

[The Truth Is In There]

just watched the video. it's effective for the wifi device that is used but that's it. there are a lot of pc's and notebooks available now which have wifi active permanently. sometimes it can be switched off via software but the notebook will still give off a signal every minute or so, checking for wifi hot spots even if wifi is turned off.


That's not my experience ... disable the device and it is off. It's a pity the guy did not show/check that with his meter in the video.
Fortunately he did mention it! But I would also rather have seen him using a spectrum analyzer or so (something more professional).



the only solution is a pc/notebook without wifi or with a hardware switch.

Good luck with that ... wifi is forcibly shoved though our throats. I recently bought a new modem. I couldn't get one
without wifi anymore. Fortunately I knew how to switch it off even before watching this video.
Next thing they will do (besides promoting wifi only tablets and phones) is making network printers that can only
connect via wifi.



however, wifi is just one problem. people who use cell phones or wireless phones are bombarded with microwaves all the time, especially if they use them and even more so if they use them in somewhat shielded environments like a car or house where the cell phone has to increase its energy output to transmit.


Correct, but I think the wifi signal is there 100% of the time. GSM and DECT are in intervals of several minutes and only continuously when used.

Besides radiation there is another aspect to it why wifi should rather not be used:

Wi-Vi system uses Wi-Fi to see through walls (http://www.gizmag.com/wi-vi-see-through-walls/28120/)

i noticed that there are often no hardware switches on laptops anymore. i bought a lenovo t440s recently to replace my t420s and it didn't have the switch anymore. using the software to turn the wifi function off did that, but not permanently. there was a signal every half a minute or minute (i didn't wait long enough to count the seconds since it gave me a headache). i checked with a meter and it confirmed what my body had already told me. had to sell the laptop again with a loss because the store would not take it back. it was completely unusable for me.

dect is active all the time in most base stations. it's like a cell phone tower in your home. there are only a few that activate the wireless function only when there's a call.

however, that doesn't mean cell phones or other devices that are not microwave-active all the time are less harmful or even harmless. the changes in the body last quite a while even with short exposure, and if used regularly it's nearly as bad as permanent exposure.

[The Truth Is In There]

The trouble with these crystals, etc. that are aimed at people who worry about RF radiation is that the vendors take advantage of the fact that most of the purchasers don't have any idea what electromagnetic radiation is, or understand the relevance of frequency and field strength.

Remember in the 1970s people were scared of microwave ovens? Then a few years ago it was all cell phone 'dangers'. Now it's wi-fi and smart meters. But what about the RF coming out of your TV (yes there is), your car's electronics and the nasty switched-mode power supplies in most items of electronics now? They all emit RF - just go up to them with a simple AM radio!

And what about radio and TV transmitters within 50 miles of your home?

As an RF engineer, my experience and that of my many colleagues leads me to believe that the field strengths the public are exposed to are almost certainly harmless. The danger comes when the field strengths are so high that parts of the body start to heat up, like when working too close to a multi-kW TV transmitting antenna.

That won't convince many people on here, I understand that.

Nevertheless, I also consider it possible that a (very) few people may be unusually sensitive the some EM/RF fields. But it's also possible that some people are sensitive to the various chemicals that slowly vent out of electronic devices and not the RF fields - have you considered that?

If buying crystals and other items makes you feel better, no harm is done. But just bear in mind that your anxiety could be being exploited to line the pockets of the unscrupulous.

Nick

all kinds of man-made microwaves including radio and tv as well as electricity (especially a/c) are harmful to living organisms. the intensitiy does matter but that doesn't mean low intensity is harmless. it just takes longer for the disease to develop.

subtle energy can't even be measured and yet it has a strong influence over time. people who sleep every night on a fault line or strong water vein will develop cancer after months or years depending on disposition, yet the energies that are responsible can't even be measured except via the body of sensitive persons, animals, or by dowsers.

"harmless unless the body heats up" is what the industry would have people believe and unfortunately most actually do believe it. i don't want to convince you or anybody that all sorts of man-made radiation (as well as certain kinds of natural radiation) are harmful to all living beings but i know it for a fact since i can feel all of the various forms of energy in my body and measure if they have a regenerative or degenerative effect on the body. all i have to do is focus on them (if it's subtle energies or low intensity e/m) and for stronger electric, magnetic or em-radiation (the normal intensity in nearly all households) i don't even have to focus, the negative effects are so obvious.

if you want to know what happens during exposure - chaos is created in the makeup of your energy body and physical body. a higher order is broken down into a lower order which is why a person permanently exposed to these fields can't feel them. signals can't be transmitted in a chaos, only if there's order in the atoms and molecules of the body and in the energy body. the higher the order, the stronger the sense of subtle energies, and the more life energy can be stored by the body. people who are familiar with the water experiments of masaru emoto will understand what i mean with higher and lower order, and he used only subtle, not even measurable energy (of words or thoughts, for example) which had such a strong influence on the water molecules as to create order or chaos.

[Roisin]

Get some orgonite! Research it, it absorbs negative energy and EMF and transforms it into positive energy that is healthy!

Excellent suggestion! Will try that out!

[Hervé]

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- plants die or don't develop next to a wifi router (bogus or possibly true?)



Ninth graders' science experiment stirs up scientific community when it finds plants won't grow near Wi-Fi router (http://www.mnn.com/health/healthy-spaces/blogs/student-science-experiment-finds-plants-wont-grow-near-wi-fi-router)

Jenn Savedge, Mother Nature Network (http://www.mnn.com/health/healthy-spaces/blogs/student-science-experiment-finds-plants-wont-grow-near-wi-fi-router)
Fri, 23 May 2014 18:50 CDT




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Ninth-graders design science experiment to test the effect of cellphone radiation on plants. The results may surprise you.

Five ninth-grade young women from Denmark recently created a science experiment that is causing a stir in the scientific community.

It started with an observation and a question. The girls noticed that if they slept with their mobile phones near their heads at night, they often had difficulty concentrating at school the next day. They wanted to test the effect of a cellphone's radiation on humans (http://www.mnn.com/health/fitness-well-being/blogs/reduce-cell-phone-radiation-risks), but their school, Hjallerup School in Denmark, did not have the equipment to handle such an experiment. So the girls designed an experiment that would test the effect of cellphone radiation on a plant instead.

The students placed six trays filled with Lepidium sativum, a type of garden cress, into a room without radiation, and six trays of the seeds into another room next to two routers that according to the girls' calculations, emitted about the same type of radiation as an ordinary cellphone.


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© Kim Horsevad, teacher at Hjallerup Skole in Denmark.

Over the next 12 days, the girls observed, measured, weighed and photographed their results. By the end of the experiment the results were blatantly obvious - the cress seeds placed near the router had not grown. Many of them were completely dead.

Meanwhile, the cress seeds planted in the other room, away from the routers, thrived. The experiment earned the girls (pictured below) top honors in a regional science competition and the interest of scientists around the world.


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According to Kim Horsevad, a teacher at Hjallerup Skole in Denmark where the cress experiment took place, a neuroscience professor at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, is interested in repeating the experiment in a controlled professional scientific environment.

[avid]

My 'other half' is an RF specialist, and a leading test lab owner. I've bought orgonite in batches, it's all over the house. A vast collection of natural crystals. Giant man-made quartz crystals (from the old radio manufacturing days).
My phone is hardwired by my desk. I don't have a mobile phone. However.... these dekt phones are elsewhere in the house (oh dear), so I'll re-site them. He agrees with the orgonite and crystals, but we have a router for tv and internet in the house. Even though I work well away from it, and have hardwired ethernet to the mac, I am still concerned. I have sent Ulli's product link to him just now to see what he thinks, but you scientific types can be very cynical at times, I'm not expecting miracles from his response. Apart from living in a radio-dead room (quite claustrophobic) we must try to protect ourselves as much as possible.

*dashes off to put tin-foil hat back on ;)

Edit: I got a reply about the products, er - and apart from "Schumann resonance" the rest is not printable!!! Ah well....

[The Truth Is In There]

i used to have orgonite in my house until i developed the high energy sensitivity (i did that on purpose, through training. for many people it happens accidentally and they see this as a disease which it isn't). anyway, after i began to feel the subtle energies i had to get rid of all orgonite and a number of other things, metallic and non-metallic. the orgonite created massive turbulences of degenerative energy. basically it took that which came into the house from nature (which unfortunately is about 66% degenerative in this place) as well as cell phone tower radiation, the wifi of the neighbours, etc. and spread it all around. once the orgonite was gone the pressure that is created in my head by this chaotic energy became less.

i also had to get rid of certain metallic as well as non-metallic, non-natural (mostly plastic) things which created negative energy gridline-like disturbances. many things concentrate and redirect subtle energy. if that energy is degenerative that can cause all kinds of problems because people don't feel it. they may just notice a pain somewhere in their body after a while but never know where it comes from. the same if their bed is bombarded with concentrated subtle energy rays in such a way, for example from some item in their bedroom (but the energy goes through walls, too). they may get headaches or back pain even without cell phones or wifi or anything. even energy that is normally regenerative (orgone) becomes a stress factor for the body when exposure is too long or intense, such as a small ray that hits some body part during sleep. it could be the toothpaste tube in the bathroom or a pen on a desk.

and it goes even further, like subtle energy that emanates from paintings whose painter had a very negative personality and thus negative/degenerative radiation. if such a painting is hung over the bed it can cause sleep disturbances or bad dreams. the same is true for photos of people. they carry the same energy as the person. sounds crazy but there are a lot of things that most people today dismiss as fantasy and yet they're very real because everything vibrates and influences us one way or another.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I have a giant Pink sea Salt crystal lamp next to the computer. Should help, right?? Posted this earlier but i seem to havebeen overlooked haha. Does sea salt itself negate this destructive energy?? Or do i just have a cool pink lamp?

[Nick Matkin]

You just have a cool pink lamp. Even if EM 'radiation' 'is proved to affect some people, how is placing a crystal nearby going to make a difference?

But hey what do I know about this stuff, having worked with RF/EMF for 40 years...

If it makes you feel better, go for it!

Nick

[The Truth Is In There]

I have a giant Pink sea Salt crystal lamp next to the computer. Should help, right?? Posted this earlier but i seem to havebeen overlooked haha. Does sea salt itself negate this destructive energy?? Or do i just have a cool pink lamp?

no it won't. all that helps is shielding, and that only against "electric" fields. it's nearly impossible to shield "magnetic" fields (actually it's all electric but i'm using the common terms).

best thing to do is shield the wires and ground the shield so you get rid of the electric field. the magnetic field drops strongly with distance so if you sit far enough away from your computer and the wires the negative effects should be tolerable. nevertheless you need to make sure that the wifi function is turned off in your computer as well as router because that's the bigger health threat.

btw, if it's an electrical lamp it's better to unplug it. use one with a candle instead. the burning candle will radiate the vibration of the sea salt into your room like it radiates light.

[Hervé]

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But hey what do I know about this stuff, having worked with RF/EMF for 40 years...

[...]
Nick

I guess you never used quartz crystals to pin some frequencies... right?

[Nick Matkin]

[...]
But hey what do I know about this stuff, having worked with RF/EMF for 40 years...

[...]
Nick

I guess you never used quartz crystals to pin some frequencies... right?

Yes, often. But quarts is just a piezoelectric crystal, no magic properties... ;)

[Hervé]

[...]

Yes, often. But quarts is just a piezoelectric crystal, no magic properties... ;)

How do you "know"?

Check this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72032-Orgonite-and-Prana...OMG-it-really-works-&p=842001&viewfull=1#post842001) (<---)

[Nick Matkin]

[...]

Yes, often. But quarts is just a piezoelectric crystal, no magic properties... ;)

How do you "know"?

Check this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72032-Orgonite-and-Prana...OMG-it-really-works-&p=842001&viewfull=1#post842001) (<---)

Well, I don't "know". But I've never seen any experimental evidence suggesting it is anything else.

As for the Succor Punch, I don't think I've ever heard of it before. Some very interesting claims that need some scientific verification before I make one - or pay $100 for one. (http://www.ctbusters.com/shop/store/product/succor_punch_9volt/)

Does it work just as well with another piezoelectric crystal, rochelle salt for example? Or a piece of glass that looks like quartz?

Nick

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I sprout seeds, grow herbs on my kitchen bench by the window, 15 feet from my wifi router. Also nearby is a indoor maiden hair fern which thrives! I have a cable connection to the router, but have never turned of its wifi function. If this were so harmful, surely the plants would be showing problems?

[Hervé]

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Yes, often. But quarts is just a piezoelectric crystal, no magic properties... ;)

How do you "know"?

Check this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72032-Orgonite-and-Prana...OMG-it-really-works-&p=842001&viewfull=1#post842001) (<---)

Well, I don't "know". But I've never seen any experimental evidence suggesting it is anything else.

As for the Succor Punch, I don't think I've ever heard of it before. Some very interesting claims that need some scientific verification before I make one - or pay $100 for one. (http://www.ctbusters.com/shop/store/product/succor_punch_9volt/)

Nick

... yeah... that's what I was afraid of... you would have to build your own succor-punch and design your own experiment...

Then you would need to ponder on that reference (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72032-Orgonite-and-Prana...OMG-it-really-works-&p=842001&viewfull=1#post842001) I linked to, together with this one given by Bill:
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http://www.whale.to/b/orion.html

Because, right there, with these two references, one is looking at the fundamental, frontier bridge between science and magic.

In other words, right where the individual/observer affects the experiment... keeping in mind that this has the inevitable corollary that the experiment also affects the individual/observer.

So, let me attempt to put it in some sort of arrangement:


individual/observer imprints an intention/thought within some crystalline lattice via some resonance/harmonics like a voice on a tape recorder;
crystal lattice now amplifies and vibrates/broadcasts that thought form/intention all around;
crystal lattice can be "reprogrammed" at will to broadcast new thought form/intention around to affect "life"/minds around, including the "programmer;"
hence, the corollary that if "mind" can influence matter, then "matter" can therefore be used to influence "minds" and, accordingly, the ensuing, various "Montauk" mind-control projects.

That's the nutshell.

Magicians, medicine wo/men and sorcerers of all kind never let anyone in on how they were doing their magic: Their own intentions/thoughts and let people assume that their powers came from special crystals or symbols or statues and other magic wands so that the literal/materialist mind could have something tangible/"real" to focus on... even a big pile of bull-crap could serve the purpose very well :)

There is another reference which corroborates Bill's:

Must Read: The Matrix Deciphered by Dr Robert Duncan (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan)



Does it work just as well with another piezoelectric crystal, rochelle salt for example? Or a piece of glass that looks like quartz?
I tend to think that crystalline lattice works better; however, people with psychic abilities can "read" what's recorded within any kind of material.

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I sprout seeds, grow herbs on my kitchen bench by the window, 15 feet from my wifi router. Also nearby is a indoor maiden hair fern which thrives! I have a cable connection to the router, but have never turned of its wifi function. If this were so harmful, surely the plants would be showing problems?

not necessarily. it depends on resonance, wavelength, amplitude. the higher the resonance with a degenerating factor the faster the degeneration. also, under advserse conditions higher developed organisms (humans) will break down first. something can be harmful to you but not every sort of plant, and degenerative bacteria and fungi would even thrive under such conditions. lastly, some experiments have shown certain plants to grow faster near wifi routers...but they also died sooner. then again, today people ingest quantity instead of quality all the time so if you think it's harmless, don't worry.