ET - Good or Bad?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Ok, I think folks are somewhat confused about whether the ET's are the good or bad. We have had quite a few threads here with various theories on this. I personally think that the ET's up in our skies are of the benevolent type, and that yes we have some bad guys up there but the good guys are in control.

Most people are aware of Carol Roslin and what she had stated in the 2001 conference. But they also get a little confused as what she meant.

She clearly states here that the PTB will try to justify further expense towards space weaponisation and that the last card will be the LIE of an alien threat. This will be a LIE from the governments stating that ET are a threat to mankind and with this in mind we need to up the spending for space wars!! She also mentions that ET can shut down our missiles, which we have had confirmation from various sources at present. Why would ET shut down our Nuclear Warheads if they didn't have PEACE in mind.

The PTB will try to convince the masses that ET are the bad guys for furthering our enslavement. She also states that we can have a whole planet that lives in peace on earth with all the cultures on earth and all the extraterestial cultures in space together in harmony. She is right.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2152/2051756510_c0138daf6e.jpg?v=0

BUT again the PTB don't want this do they??? We know why.

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/03_02/slavesDM2303_468x313.jpg

Please watch this video and listen very carefully, and listen to your heart.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8Nc-gG7vIY&feature=sub

Yes we do have the threat of Bluebeam, but we will surely know the difference. If at all it happens!!

viking

[The One]

Hello

Maybe humans are actually aliens and we have existed billions of years ago and were living on a different planet? Who knows?

[Elandiel BernElve]

She also mentions that ET can shut down our missiles, which we have had confirmation from various sources at present. Why would ET shut down our Nuclear Warheads if they didn't have PEACE in mind.

The easiest victory is one for which you don't have to fight. Disabling our weapons is very smart when the attacking force doesn't want have casualties.
Yet, their intentions remain unclear.

It's true Viking, this debate has already took place on many other threads, I don't think you'll find new answers here and it won't make things more organized.

And to summorize: They are not all good or all bad, they have intentions as mixed as humans have. Period.

[bluestflame]

why did they not just remove the missiles altogether

[Luke]

From what I see, you try to extrapolate "the Great Scheme of Things" from what you think you know about power struggles here.

Question is: does this logic apply for anything else than purely material world?

I for one, do not think so.

We do not know what rules are. We do not know how things work. Without that you can't even know IF there is some force that has our best interest in mind.

From what I gather, we might be gridlocked in some kind of "NATO vs Warsaw Pact" thing.. and gullible are duped into supporting sides in war they have no interest in, whatsoever.
We might be in some proxy warzone between powers that cannot duke it out openly because of Mutually Assured Destruction. What is the truth, though, we do not know, but opting on one side without knowing whole scheme is simply dumb.

Good or bad , IMO, do not apply at all.

But Multiverse, it seems , is rather on creative side. And to make our future bright in it, we should stick to what we can do, with our strengths, and do not pledge blindly to outside forces we have zero real knowledge about.

[Lost Soul]

First, we should accept that there are both good and bad ETs. There are some who wish to help us along our spiritual path and there are those who would impede and enslave us. The universal laws that apply to us also apply to the ETs. This explains why even though they may disarm us, they won't as it would create karma for themselves. As creator-gods, we create our own reality and until we decide to thread along the path of wisdom and voluntarily disarm ourselves, no one else will. Unfortunately, this is not likely to happen until more people wake up, shake off the victim mindset and stop relying on others to do things for us. Like David Icke said, "Humankind, get off your knees."

[AtlasFactor]

Clever setup.

Options are: Bluebeam or friends. So if it turns out to not be bluebeam invasion scenario, must be friends.

No one is suggesting wolves in sheep's clothing.

I see new age gurus preaching to let loved ones go aboard ships, like George K. Or there was Greer preaching there is no such thing as a hostile ET.

Food for thought.

[Celine]

Ok, I think folks are somewhat confused about whether the ET's are the good or bad. IMO saying are "et's good or bad" is lumping them all in one catagory... It's like asking "are all animals vicious?" (and no i am not saying they are animals). They need to use names.. a few have been around like plaedians etc, but noooo one ever uses the name...just a catagory "et's". Time for that to change , if you ask me


She clearly states here that the PTB will try to justify further expense towards space weaponisation and that the last card will be the LIE of an alien threat
Oh yes I do belive that the ptb will be using this to their advantage...wouldnt expect anything less..

Why would ET shut down our Nuclear Warheads if they didn't have PEACE in mind.

So that our weapons are off...our defense shut down... I still have yet to see/hear proof of that

The PTB will try to convince the masses that ET are the bad guys for furthering our enslavement. She also states that we can have a whole planet that lives in peace on earth with all the cultures on earth and all the extraterestial cultures in space together in harmony. She is right. Yes i agree, that is a potential outcome

viking


She also mentions that ET can shut down our missiles, which we have had confirmation from various sources at present. What kind of confirmation?


Why would ET shut down our Nuclear Warheads if they didn't have PEACE in mind. Again, think about it..what reason would another want to take away your defensives? Control

The easiest victory is one for which you don't have to fight. Disabling our weapons is very smart when the attacking force doesn't want have casualties. Nuclear weapons are just the biggesst guns we have. They dont want us to fight, they wan 0 fear.. This does not fill my heart with trust..

Yet, their intentions remain unclear.

It's true Viking, this debate has already took place on many other threads, I don't think you'll find new answers here and it won't make things more organized.

And to summorize: They are not all good or all bad, they have intentions as mixed as humans have. Period. I completly agree!


why did they not just remove the missiles altogether Very good question..my guess is there is a use for them, just not by us.


From what I see, you try to extrapolate "the Great Scheme of Things" from what you think you know about power struggles here.

Question is: does this logic apply for anything else than purely material world?

I for one, do not think so. I for 2 agree

We do not know what rules are. We do not know how things work. Without that you can't even know IF there is some force that has our best interest in mind.

Pawns NEVER know the strategy...

We might be in some proxy warzone between powers that cannot duke it out openly because of Mutually Assured Destruction. What is the truth, though, we do not know, but opting on one side without knowing whole scheme is simply dumb.

Good or bad , IMO, do not apply at all. I agree



Their Plan (a snippet anyways)..

Remove control of mass weapons of destruction

Create fear en mass which will lead to dependence on any benevolent beings

Feed dissension so humans will turn on each other to eradicate any rebellion against the PTB's/ET's




Our Plan (a snippet anyway)..

Find our power, awaken within us what we already know exists

Dispel untruths, and share it with the masses Aid in the awakening of all.

Sow the seed of love in every soul. so that humans can rise together and leave the lab.

[Dale]

From my understanding, there are many different species, from many different places, with many differing agendas visiting our little planet. Most of these visitors appear to be benevolent toward humanity, or at least non-combative; but I also have strong reason to believe there are a few groups who, as 'Henry Deacon' says, have "philosophical differences" with humanity.

In regard to "visitors," with a larger perspective; there are many, many, many more "visitors," of non-physical orientation, that are here. We tend to call these fellows angels, trans-dimensionals, demons, or spirits. Of course, that would be an entirely different story.

But the bottom line seems to be that our little planet is host to many different beings, each with a unique story as to who they are, what they're doing, and why it may be so.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Their Plan (a snippet anyways)..

Remove control of mass weapons of destruction

Create fear en mass which will lead to dependence on any benevolent beings

Feed dissension so humans will turn on each other to eradicate any rebellion against the PTB's/ET's




Our Plan (a snippet anyway)..

Find our power, awaken within us what we already know exists

Dispel untruths, and share it with the masses Aid in the awakening of all.

Sow the seed of love in every soul. so that humans can rise together and leave the lab.

Mmmm I think you are wrong on the first account Celine...

First of all they do not have any such plan as you suggest...They are fully capable of taking over this Planet with very liitle effort. They have interfered with missiles because it would upset the balance on other planets as well as here on Earth. They care for our 'evolution' and would dearly love to be able to welcome us to the Cosmic Arena. I think we are ready for this. Obviously the PTB don't.

I agree with the second part, coupled with: Acceptance that we are not alone and they are here to help. And to take any type of disclosure one step at a time at our request

viking

[Steven]

The ones we tend to call good ET's / ED's are the ones who do not want to interfere in our normal evolution respecting our own decision without influencing it.

The ones we call bad ET's / ED's are the ones who directly interfere secretly in our world to influence the course of evolution of our specie to create a paradigm of life that they wish for us.

This is of course in my opinion according to my personal experience and research.

The nuclear devices are so much destructive, it rips off the time/space fabric, that it does not depends who has it, they are the threat itself. The ones disrupting warhead device aren't necessarily good for this reason, but rather protecting their interest here.

Namaste, Steven

[Celine]

Mmmm I think you are wrong on the first account Celine...

First of all they do not have any such plan as you suggest...They are fully capable of taking over this Planet with very liitle effort. They have interfered with missiles because it would upset the balance on other planets as well as here on Earth. They care for our 'evolution' and would dearly love to be able to welcome us to the Cosmic Arena. I think we are ready for this. Obviously the PTB don't.

I agree with the second part, coupled with: Acceptance that we are not alone and they are here to help. And to take any type of disclosure one step at a time at our request

viking

You speak as if you are in the know.. or is this again just extrapolation of your own set of beliefs?

[Victoria Tintagel]

Viking:
She also states that we can have a whole planet that lives in peace on earth,
with all the cultures on earth and all the extraterestial cultures in space together in harmony.

Hey Viking and ElandielBernElve, I've seen Carol's presentation a while ago, posted it here. I think she's a powerful lady, coming from the heart.

Viking:
She is right. I think she's right, yes.

ElandielBernElve:
[They are not all good or all bad, they have intentions as mixed as humans have. Period.
This "Period" Elandiel, sounds as if you've been in their meetings, lately, have you? :)
If it's true that Earth conditions: the electromagnetic field and the human/animal/plant-consciousness grid around the Earth, are connected (and uniquely restricted even) to the duality concept of good and bad: 3D how's that supposed to be played out on other planets then, you think? Could it be that ET's are beyond the concept of good and bad, behaving in a way that looks bad to us, but isn't perceived by themselves as such? I remember Alex Collier mentioning this. Wow, what a question to chew on....hmmmmm!:) Thanks for this thread :)
Happy Tint.

[Ahkenaten]

How do any of us really know the truth about ETs and alternate states of reality anymore than we know about death, unless we actually have been there and done that. Unless someone steps forward with first-hand experience - and I am not talking channeled truths here - what is said is merely conjecture and theorizing, which although very interesting, is only a mental exercise. My problem is that even if someone comes forward and says that have had first-hand experience I am still skeptical because I need to know myself, with certainty through my own experience. That is why we are here I think - to process our experiences and learn from them. I have no doubt that beings exist other than us, whether they are extradimensional, extraterrestrial, or other humans with advanced secret technologies to play around with - but as to whether they are good or bad or whether they have evil or positive intentions towards us, I don't know and actually until they actually dramatically contact us, what does it matter? Until that time, we are only speculating. In the meantime we should not be misled by pranksters and jokers and we should carefully use our minds and powers of observation and common sense to weigh the information we come across and come to our own conclusions. We should be kind to one another and watch what comes out of us in the way of thoughts, words and deeds. Our ethical beings are very precious and we should remember we create our realities individually and collectively. If something does not feel right, unless we have the misfortune to be a sociopath or mentally ill, we can tell that we should not follow that path or person. We must pay very close attention to our feelings because not everything can be analyzed and assessed, but rather some things can only be known through our emotional responses - and we should act accordingly. If the ETs show up and they are good, that is a good thing and human beings can handle it and will not be destroyed by that. If the ETs or some of them are bad, well, if they are advanced that will be a major challenge to us but whatever or whoever they are, all they can do is to kill us.

[Victoria Tintagel]

Re: ET - Good or Bad?
How do any of us really know the truth about ETs and alternate states of reality anymore than we know about death, unless we actually have been there and done that. Unless someone steps forward with first-hand experience - and I am not talking channeled truths here - what is said is merely conjecture and theorizing, which although very interesting, is only a mental exercise. My problem is that even if someone comes forward and says that have had first-hand experience I am still skeptical because I need to know myself, with certainty through my own experience. That is why we are here I think - to process our experiences and learn from them. I have no doubt that beings exist other than us, whether they are extradimensional, extraterrestrial, or other humans with advanced secret technologies to play around with - but as to whether they are good or bad or whether they have evil or positive intentions towards us, I don't know and actually until they actually dramatically contact us, what does it matter? Until that time, we are only speculating. In the meantime we should not be misled by pranksters and jokers and we should carefully use our minds and powers of observation and common sense to weigh the information we come across and come to our own conclusions. We should be kind to one another and watch what comes out of us in the way of thoughts, words and deeds. Our ethical beings are very precious and we should remember we create our realities individually and collectively. If something does not feel right, unless we have the misfortune to be a sociopath or mentally ill, we can tell that we should not follow that path or person. We must pay very close attention to our feelings because not everything can be analyzed and assessed, but rather some things can only be known through our emotional responses - and we should act accordingly. If the ETs show up and they are good, that is a good thing and human beings can handle it and will not be destroyed by that. If the ETs or some of them are bad, well, if they are advanced that will be a major challenge to us but whatever or whoever they are, all they can do is to kill us.

Thanks so much for this, Akhenaton! Wow, how beautifully and clearly phrased! I think you are absolutely right in saying your own experience is what counts most, yes! I like this thread, it's meaningful I think, we have to find ways to meet "them" I believe. Also I like to understand what the fascination is for ET's, UFO'S, I focus more on matters from this planet, the "program" or "agenda" of lady Gaia. I love (mental) challenges, trying my wings) and sharing our thoughts here, picturing existences "OUT THERE" Daring to ask questions because we simply love to know....like children do all the time. Imagening how and why a tree loses it's leaves in autumn, for example....:) Knowledge and love are the driving force of all creation, I believe and feel, in my nsho. If we are alive in the body, we are able to remember past lives and existences, we are starting to awaken......aren't we? Do I hear snoring sounds on the background? :)

In expressing our thoughts and feelings, like in this thread "ET Good or Bad?" we can find little jewels in our messages, that suddenly spark our attention, a line of thoughts, emotions and feelings. Without knowing this beforehand....that's the fun of discussing here in the Forum, isn't it? And that's in essence sharing our love....intentionally, cause it's the support we can give each other, to live through this CHANGE. Love has so many beautiful ways to express herself....I think.....feel :) There's no limit to it whatsoever....truly!
Happy Tint.

[TraineeHuman]

Let’s not forget that all the ETs know all about that fake planned alien invasion, apparently intended by TPTW for around 2012 or 2013.

It’s already publicly known for a fact that ETs disarmed nuclear facilities to discourage if not foil plans for potential nuclear war. Surely the same ETs, if they have any brains (and they do!), will foil the fake invasion in some way, in many ways. And again, any “bad” ETs won’t be able to stop them.

One way the ETs can do this would be to bring on mass flyovers now or in the near future, well before the planned time. If they kept it up for, say, a few weeks, that would presumably force TPTW to publicly shoot at them.

That’s only one scenario. In such mass flyovers, the ETs should ideally do something that demonstrates that they come in peace. Wouldn’t it be great if they could drop off something like wonder food, but in locations where TPTW couldn’t get to all the wonder food first?

[Celine]

It’s already publicly known for a fact that ETs disarmed nuclear facilities to discourage if not foil plans for potential nuclear war. Surely the same ETs, if they have any brains (and they do!), will foil the fake invasion in some way, in many ways. And again, any “bad” ETs won’t be able to stop them.



I have seen this claim made over and over...and maybe i am very ignorant on the subject..but NO ONE has shown ANY of these FACTS..yet.

If you could... I would be very appreciative.

[Eric J (Viking)]

I have seen this claim made over and over...and maybe i am very ignorant on the subject..but NO ONE has shown ANY of these FACTS..yet.

If you could... I would be very appreciative.

I think there are about 10 parts...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I23x7UAU1I

viking

[Celine]

Discussing it is one thing..

I agree there is LOTS of discussion going on.

I am not discounting the validity of a witnesses report.

but..is this what you mean?

"Three of the former Air Force officers – though they hadn’t seen the UFOs themselves - told reporters that UFOs hovering over silos around Montana’s Malmstrom Air Force Base in 1967 appeared to have temporarily deactivated some of the nuclear missiles."

[Eric J (Viking)]

You need to listen to all parts to get the full picture Celine.

viking

[Celine]

I understand that viking.

But i am trying to get a sense of how people can say.. "Irrefutable facts"

Nothing but witness accounts came out of that interview .. correct?

I for one believe that the time for these witnesses has come...and they are only the first to speak out.

But integrity.. is important..

You can say "reputable witnesses have confirmed" etc... but to say facts is misleading.

And as a witness to the unveiling of the truth, that is humanities right to know,... I will not stand for any more misleading..

We are all witnesses to this, what we do..say..is very important.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Celine no one here has hardly any irrufatable facts about anything...and I mean anything...every single whistle blower has not got one single hard fact...evidence!! Well not many...

So what do we do...knock it on the head? Stop looking.

We all try to sift through what we think is the rubbish and digest 'truth'...

It's difficult at the best of times isn't it?? LOL

Go with your heart, I know you do...if we have different opinions thats fine.

We'll all know one day, thats for sure. ;)

Misleading MOI???

viking

[Celine]

I can see your point..and agree..."at what point do we drop the need for proof and follow our heart"?

I am following my heart.

My truths are unimportant to the masses.

I am God

You are God.


That is my hearts truth..

But..

This is unfolding in our world..not just my truth ...but yours...his...theirs..How do you put it all together?

Everyone here is searching for something...searching to be heard/seen...searching for their truths even.

Integrity of these witnesses is VERY important.

I am NOT discounting their importance.

I am saying that we cannot be liberal with our words in that sense.

it is a FACT most people believe this or that.. does not at face value make me belive what the person is saying.

That is the problem with the dis info age...

WE have believed what they shoved down our throats... actualy we swallowed quite easily.

Well..no more.

I wont accept a fact ..as a fact..just cuz "you" say so.

Follow your heart is mostrly good advice... but do you believe the heart can be deceived? Is the heart always right?

[Eric J (Viking)]

LOL ... I trust my heart...my inner guides...

Hey I could be a reptilian for all you know!! And not realize it!! GROWL!!! LOL

viking

[Celine]

I oculd be one..and not realise...

Or is the reptilian in all of us.

Or is it just a dream.


Those things we could argue till the end of the world ;)

But if you say...its a FACT the ET's stopped a nuclear war...then that we can discuss

Or..can we?

[Eric J (Viking)]

No point in going round in circles Celine... I believe in my heart that the testimonies on the video I presented are all true...this is my belief.

If you want to base everything on fact...can you disprove that Ashtar or Sananda or ET ships do not exist?

Anyway gotta go...need to do some work...ect etc

viking

[MariaDine]

Pionners were laught at....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhbAS8MX9cY



In this clip: Channel Ø #13 Joe Pyne interviews James W. Moseley, co-founder and editor of Saucer News, about his new book about the "Mothman" of West Virginia and views a very bad quality UFO film. From "The Channel Ø Hour with J. C. Kaelin - Epi. 13: Joe Pyne TV Shows", a presentation of the http://MediaOutlet.com audio/visual archives, which premiered on Bayonne Cablevision Channel 19 and its fellow New Jersey cable carriers on Saturday 5/15/10 at 11 PM. Check out http://ChannelZeroNYC.com "The Channel Ø Hour with J. C. Kaelin" for more info! ©2007-2010 J. C. Kaelin, Jr..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AKK06K9UJQ&feature=mfu_in_order&playnext=1&videos=xqA2jEPQKMk

[Celine]

I am no laughing..

And as i have said time and time again.. I BELIEVE in most witness testimony..

I BELIEVE different races of Beings exist and all have varying agendas.

I BELIEVE we dont know the whole truth about any of this..

All i was asking for...was the proof of fact, that keeps getting stated.

If Richard said for a fact, the sun would blow up on sunday..would you ask him to prove it?

[MariaDine]

You want proof ! That's a legit demand.
There are many kind of proofs available to you. Keep on searching and it will come to you.

Namasté

[Celine]

Let’s not forget that all the ETs know all about that fake planned alien invasion, apparently intended by TPTW for around 2012 or 2013.

It’s already publicly known for a fact that ETs disarmed nuclear facilities to discourage if not foil plans for potential nuclear war. Surely the same ETs, if they have any brains (and they do!), will foil the fake invasion in some way, in many ways. And again, any “bad” ETs won’t be able to stop them.

One way the ETs can do this would be to bring on mass flyovers now or in the near future, well before the planned time. If they kept it up for, say, a few weeks, that would presumably force TPTW to publicly shoot at them.

That’s only one scenario. In such mass flyovers, the ETs should ideally do something that demonstrates that they come in peace. Wouldn’t it be great if they could drop off something like wonder food, but in locations where TPTW couldn’t get to all the wonder food first?


You want proof ! That's a legit demand.
There are many kind of proofs available to you. kKep on searching and it will come to you.



Namasté

I dont need proof to solidify my beliefs..

I want to know what FACTS , TH is refering to..

It seems like I hit a nerve asking for this..and I am unclear why.

[MariaDine]

I needed proof. And I got it.
You don't need it. What can I say ? ...........Well, I actually have nothing to say. :)
Namasté.

[MariaDine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTRL5afPq9Y&feature=related


If they fight each other, the UFO's, .......maybe they are aren't as «advance» as people think....

[Celine]

I dont need proof to solidify my beliefs.. (should have added ) ANYMORE

I want to know what FACTS , TH is refering to..

It seems like I hit a nerve asking for this..and I am unclear why.

You are correct. I should be more careful how I say things. Thank you for pointing that out, I am always on the path of learning.

[MariaDine]

:) Thanks Celine ! You push me to look for more info ...

....PLANET CLARION

http://www.wellsphere.com/mental-health-article/after-the-prophecy/412630

[sygh]

viking,

What do you think it would take for the world to live in peace and harmony?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Big Question...

The realisation that we have never been alone and are not alone would be a start... Disclosure!! Promises promises... ;-)

Mmm...let me think

Something BIG needs to happen ... really big.

viking

[Swami]

Who & Why Are The ETs Amongst Us?

http://earthsbanner.com/forums/content.php?118-Who-Why-Are-The-ETs-Amongst-Us

[Victoria Tintagel]

Question from sygh to Viking:
What do you think it would take for the world to live in peace and harmony?


Big Question...

The realisation that we have never been alone and are not alone would be a start... Disclosure!! Promises promises... ;-)

Mmm...let me think

Something BIG needs to happen ... really big.

viking

Hey Avaloneans, Viking and sygh......how about...keep searching for answers to this question close to ourselves? The only thing we can influence is our own consciousness and consciouss co-creation. I don't believe in "something out there" having to change or be fixed. I am not very knowledgable in the "ET and UFO Department" although the way to confront or familiarise with THEM should be from a loving heart, I feel. Specially when well meaning ET races are telepathic and witness our fears, they cannot stand to be in the same room with us.
It's us, that is the enemy here! When we point at the enemy 3 fingers point at ourselves....:)

We humans have such tremendous powers to create...you know? We are really something special, I am very sure of that....it's written in my DNA. Gods fingerprints....:) We have the capacity to create from love and knowledge, we are sparks of Great Spirit, we never cease to exist, so why fear? I've been making things very big in a "saviour of the world style" Didn't work! I felt like the prophet in the desert, my voice unheard. This was a hard lesson, now I give up "working so hard" and "save the world" and simply live my life in joy and love. I may have to ask and it is given....no effort, no pressure. I must allow to let go of control and allow life to express itself through me, by stepping out of the way....getting over myself.
Well, hmmmm....I feel shy now, having said that.

When unconditionally loving all that is part of your life and existence, non resistant or being a witness to that, in joy and appreciation, we create the conditions that allow harmony and peace on Earth. So start now, Avaloneans, Viking, it's your party and you have to hang the fringes and balloons.....
no One else is doing that for you...

Be happy for no reason, it is that state that's going to support the change and the rise of harmony and peace on this planet, lady Gaia. The place to dwell is in the heart, where all creation begins....in my nsho :) We know that, we've been there and we're awakening to that..day by day. Don't worry, be happy, Tint.

[Beth]

This is what you do to bad ETs :moony:

This is what you do to bad humans :moony:

[Celine]

*celine slowly steps away from beth *

Thats a bigggg stick you have Queen Bethany ;)

[Eric J (Viking)]

This is what you do to bad ETs :moony:

This is what you do to bad humans :moony:

I can't quite figure out what you are doing to the naughty ET/Humans ...

Spanking them or giving them a mooney!!! :clap2: ;)

viking

[kinsuemei2]

Some mentor us because they see us as children that can't fend for themselves, some mentor us because they respect us and want to see us flourish, Some observe us, some hate us because we refuse to act, some hate us because of our apathy, some have no regard for our life because they view us and treat us how we have treated our primates, some see us as a food group, and are apex predators, Some veiw us as there property because they lay claim to our creation, and some pretend to be us, walking like us talking like us.

And some just don't like us because of our parasitic nature, do not be fooled by this love and light talk, only a few really treasure love and light and ONLY a few REALLY practice it, it's like a christian, they enforce what they refuse to beileve in their own heart.

It's a shame

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Personally, I feel, it's probably similar to here, where there seem to be good and bad in every race. To think that because someone is technologically or psychically advanced means they're spiritually advanced, I think would be a mistake.

But also, good and bad are subjective terms. In my culture, if you shoot someone without cause - you're bad. But if you put on a military uniform on and shoot someone without cause, that seems to many, good, because all in the country you are at war with are considered bad.

For me and mine, getting vaccinated is bad. To others, it is good. Some think eating meat is bad, others good. You get my point. Maybe we need to look at ET's on a case by case basis. Let me know when you meet one - then we'll talk about if it's good or bad.;)

[Victoria Tintagel]

kinsumei2:
And some just don't like us because of our parasitic nature, do not be fooled by this love and light talk, only a few really treasure love and light and ONLY a few REALLY practice it, it's like a christian, they enforce what they refuse to beileve in their own heart.
Hey kinsumei2, I see what you mean, a few treasure love and light, it's been like this ALWAYS since ancient times. Usually it's 95% ignorance and 5% lightwarriors on this planet Earth.
But in the end it boils down to your own choice: what's your walk and talk gonna be? Happy Tint.


Ba-ba-Ra:
You get my point. Maybe we need to look at ET's on a case by case basis. Let me know when you meet one - then we'll talk about if it's good or bad.
Hey Ba-ba-Ra, thanks for this, I get your point! I think it's simply the most practical choice to make :) if not the only possible way to learn to live with them and share goodies :) Fear is clearly not the way to integrate ET's, in Holland there's so much heated debate on the integration of allochtone people.
Many Dutch people fear them cause they've decided "them" taking away their jobs and wealth. It's all a matter of perspective......repeating myself, sigh..:)
Happy Tint.

[Victoria Tintagel]

LOL ... I trust my heart...my inner guides...

Hey I could be a reptilian for all you know!! And not realize it!! GROWL!!! LOL

viking

Same here :) I am actually admitting it, you know? :biggrin1: Don't you dare, Viking?


Re: Alien Invasion planned for Oct 2010?
Naive Avaloneans, who says I am not an alien, arriving here through 4th - dimensional levels?
Changing garments all the time, clicking my fingers?
Look carefully at that little shining wet forked tongue of mine, slipping out now and then and......the slowly lightening up of green emerald sparks in my eyes....the red glowing spark there........the eagle head crowning my head.......the cracking of my footsoles, their leathery skin... the little spore at the heel.....the crocodile skin around my hips....a rose petal-chain around my breasts........silver snakes entwined around my legs....gold snakeheaded bracelets around my wrists and upper arms....a live one around my neck, staring me in the face, smiling....forked tongues exchanging kisses....?
I am Eve....of Eden. Tint.

[TraineeHuman]

Celine, my apologies if I've overstated the situation. What I primarily had in my mind was the 29th September new conference in the US plus some of the recent Russian disclosure material (for which I'm very sorry, but I can't find a reference at present without spending a lot of time searching). Secondarily, I had in mind some material I'd seen on PA1 regarding the background to the secret discussions Regan and Gorbachev had in 1986 after, according to several sources, a number of both US and Russian missiles were temporarily out of action at approximately the same time. I don't have any recollection now of who the sources were, except that they were close to Reagan and that I saw it on PA1 more than once.

I certainly do agree with you that we need to be very sceptical and analytical in examining any claims regarding what are the facts. And I applaud you for doing just that. Equally, I invite you to do the research to find the material I'm referring to, and give us your verdict on it.

Of course, there's also the paradox that freedom brings always with it choice. However, the dilemma we live with is that we never, or almost never, have all the facts that we need to be sure we have made the best possible choice or decision at any time.

[TraineeHuman]

Celine: Digging through my memory, I'm sure I remember Bob Dean saying that his insider contacts in the military told him that both the US and the Russian military were told by ETs in 1986 (or was that 1987?) that they had to scale down their nuclear missiles and create peace instead. And that Reagan and Gorbachev then had meetings with that aim, and it was the start of glasnost. I'm pretty sure Bob said that in his interview on the Veritas show.

As far as all the others' talk of trusting your intuition goes, I agree with that only if one's own intuition is accurate. To be accurate, it needs to have gone through much practice and work. For instance, I've had feedback from a few very accurate psychics that my inyuitive readings or dowsings are more accurate than those of about 95% of so-called professional psychics. If that figure were 99%, only then would I completely trust what I "resonated with". 95% is still roughly accurate, but I would check my intuitions on another day just in case, before following many of them completely.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Anyway back on track...Good or Bad ... ? Would they harm us or are they seasoning us for a delicious meal!!

Ok, who's the aggressor here??

The beam came from earth and the ships were high above the atmosphere!! Mmmmmm!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN0XnDJKdWo&feature=related

Here we have a detailed report on the incident
"Conclusion :All of the objects in the STS-48 video discussed here were near or below the resolution of the camera and they do not differ in appearance from small debris particles near the shuttle. This lack of resolution has been cited as one of the reasons to assume that the objects are, in fact, shuttle debris. But it is obvious that other objects in the video that also "look like" debris particles in a single video frame are actually stars. It is the uniform linear motion of the stars when the video is run that clearly distinguishes the stars from any nearby shuttle debris. Similarly, it is the curvilinear motions of the unidentified objects in the video and the change of some of them from linear to curvilinear trajectories (and back again to linear in the case of M11) that most strongly distinguishes them from drifting shuttle debris. These trajectories are inconsistent with those of debris propelled either by a shuttle thruster or by sublimation. They are, however, consistent with the flight paths of large self-propelled objects moving around the curvature of the Earth. "
Full article here...
http://www.vgl.org/webfiles/STS-48/trajectories/article.htm

And what do we make of the 'tether incident' ...we know they are here, are they here to harm us??


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbPR1yI3XSI&feature=player_embedded

This very substantive evidence of the presence of a huge number of friendly ETs in the earths vicinity shows what's really going on.

The wars in space are evidently nothing more than sci-fi fabrications to generate fear,(As Carol had mentioned in the original thread here) because there are thousands of professional & amateur astronomers in the world who haven't seen any wars in space.Negative alien drama is also much more exciting & interesting to a lot of people.

viking

[_Infinity_original]

This is a debate that could go round in circles forever. I personally would love to believe that if there was life elsewhere then it would be benevolent. But I guess this is something none of us will ever really now for certain.

[Celine]

Well if disclosure..or ascension happens as we are told it will... We will all eventualy know "everything" I guess..

There will probably be many choices at the time...

Giving our souls willingly to soul harvesters

Opening our hearts and living in the bosom of love.

Accepting the Creators that we are and moving on to the next step of learning

Living out eternity in empty shells..on an empty planet..


Just of the few offers I have found ....shrug....seems very complicated to me...

I guess i am in a wait and see mode.

[lightblue]

Giving our souls willingly to soul harvesters


i don't accept that.. :stop: l




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[Eric J (Viking)]

Neither do I...and just for the record I wouldn't ! ...

viking

[Victoria Tintagel]

Giving our souls willingly to soul harvesters

i don't accept that.. l

Just so......I am the one who is harvesting here......:) Happy Tint.

[noxon medem]

- does it realy matter ?
what if there is ETs !
so what ..
today would still be today,
and tomorrow, maybe slightly different,
but does it matter ? realy ....
..
It would only mean the neighbourhood just
got bigger, a lot bigger, but still the same,
the solid basic laws of conduct should apply.
Respect for personal sovereignty over all.
- my time or yours ...
..
and Land
- Can basicly not be owned, not here, or anywhere.
- It belongs to god and everyone, everybody.
..
hurray !
..

[Beth]

Just so......I am the one who is harvesting here......:) Happy Tint.

Hi there tint, seems like some of your posts have implied that you're reptilian. Am I right in the way I have read things?

[Victoria Tintagel]

Oh my, Beth, that's how 1 + 1 becomes a puzzle :) Me, reptilian? Really?
I am the sweetest cutest little tiny finy Tinty girly girl on the planet.
Ask Celine, she knows more about it, she will smile when you ask her.
Ha, you're very smart, lady Beth! Funny how posts are viewed in an unexpected way. HARVEST TIME!
What I mean, Beth, by "harvesting" is my celebration of life as it flows through me,
picking the fruit of my work and investigations, my learning about who I am.
It's fruition time, harvest time, got it? :) And you don't at all expect me to answer in this sirius way, hmmmm?
I bet you can make a very nice personification of a reptilian woman, Beth, try me?
Any woman should at least play out her reptilian side.
Did you notice my shapeshifting, from reptilian woman into Eve of Eden?
Happened by itself, cause I am soooooo nice in the end, offering Adam the juicest apple of Avalon :)
Throwing mankind into sin.....massive grin. Happy Tint.

[Celine]

Now...isnt the snake , a reptile?

Shape shifting indeed Tint ..You keep going back and forth.

Eve is an archetype not easy to live up to...

Speaking of which..

What are the ET archetype, you think?

[Beth]

Just for the record I don't think all reptilians are bad. Just like with any human race you'll have your jackholes, and then you have truly nice people.

[Victoria Tintagel]

Like me, Tint :)

[Arpheus]

You gals are cracking me up today hah,what would i do with myself without silly things to read heh!

[TraineeHuman]

To me it seems clear that the notion of “harvesting of souls” is a somewhat misleading term.

Anybody, including myself, who consciously visits the sixth (or higher) dimension certainly knows that the sixth dimension (like all higher dimensions beyond it) is a formless world. That means there is no such thing as form to be found anywhere there. “Form” includes anything that’s structure, any kind of body, any merkaba or crystal or stargate or whatever. You may ask: “If I don’t have a body there, how is it that I still exist?” Answer: in any sense in which you are an “I” rather than an “it”, or a dynamic, free, pure, blissful “subject” as distinct from a passive “object”. In the sixth dimension, therefore, any form of harvesting is impossible.

I realize that when we die we initially all are in the fourth dimension. Yes, there are all kinds of corruption and trickery there, though not nearly as great as in the third dimension. Why not as great? Because in the fourth dimension you instantly travel to whoever or whatever you think of, so you get fuller and quicker answers to all your questions. You can demand of any being that they show you their true identity and motives, and they have no choice but to do so.

It’s certainly possible for us to get trapped in the fourth dimension, but only if we haven’t learnt how to regularly visit the sixth dimension through meditation. And if we haven’t learnt to be very good meditators, that means that we’ve chosen to spend time experiencing the many traps of the third and fourth dimensions – whether we consciously remember that choice or not. As the Buddha said, the entire physical world is one big trap. So from my point of view, any “harvesting of souls” is just another fourth-dimensional trap and everything in the fourth dimension is a trap. If you’re “harvested”, I don’t see that as something necessarily as sinister as what many imply. Here in the three-dimensional world, don’t we all get “harvested” by employers, by teachers, by parents and siblings and peers, by taxes, by health problems, by entertainment, by the internet, and so on? It's illusion within illusion, folks. We were meant to find a way to enjoy the ride. Seriously. (We are all eternal beings who've been playing with how "far out" we can go.)

[noxon medem]

You gals are cracking me up today hah,what would i do with myself without silly things to read heh!

- if you like silly things to read, an maybe that includes a silly comicbook, here is one to look into

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Jacovitti

- excellent, crazy humour,
maybe not ET, but strange enough ..
http://muuta.net/CoccoBill/Bibliography.html

some laughter is healthy, yes ?

Sorry for diverting from topic, OP.

nm

[Victoria Tintagel]

Traineehuman: As the Buddha said, the entire physical world is one big trap. So from my point of view, any “harvesting of souls” is just another fourth-dimensional trap and everything in the fourth dimension is a trap. If you’re “harvested”, I don’t see that as something necessarily as sinister as what many imply. Here in the three-dimensional world, don’t we all get “harvested” by employers, by teachers, by parents and siblings and peers, by taxes, by health problems, by entertainment, by the internet, and so on? It's illusion within illusion, folks. We were meant to find a way to enjoy the ride. Seriously. (We are all eternal beings who've been playing with how "far out" we can go.)

hey Traineehuman, your mentioning "it's illusion within illusion, folks" makes me think: so what "the entire physical world is one big trap"? This preference for the spiritual world (as I conclude) by the Buddha, makes me angry, it's such a confusion for many human beings who find it hard to live here in the material physical form. It's important to know at what stage in life one is arriving at this conclusion, and by what means: an inside or outside cause, as I don't mean to say it's not true :) Look at the inertia of poor Buddhist people, accepting that? Lacking initiative to better themselves, DO something?

I believe that, as long as I am in the physical world, in a body of flesh and blood, red blood:)I've got to acknowledge that world, as REAL, as a GIVEN FACT, without labeling it as a trap. Think about a little kid, all curiosity for the world out there, touching, tasting by putting everything in it's mouth? You cannot tell a kid that those "things" are a trap? It's ridicilous!
For survival sake, in the material world, we have to embrace the physical world wholeheartedly, including the ego. There's nothing wrong with it in itself, it's simply a matter of when and how it's played out. Having noticed that all is relative and fleeting, the ego can let go, from within. When forced to let go....like telling yourself to ignore the physical world for spiritual gains, because the Buddha tells you so....now, if that's not a trap!.....we could simply flee from responsibilities and action. Think about "the devotees in this world, in all kinds of religion" sitting on their comfortable cushions, in meditation, feeling oh so superior towards "the crawling ants dutifully doing their job" Well, I guess I just described the paradox of Jesus words "Be in this world, but not of it" Hmmmm? Early bird Tint.

[MariaDine]

The cattle mutilation is a very weird thing and it 's going on for more then 30 years, acording to the investigator....
What do you think ? ....are Humans having a better treatment ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5J6O7ViU_U&NR=1

[lightblue]

Re: ET - Good or Bad?
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The cattle mutilation is a very weird thing and it 's going on for more then 30 years, acording to the investigator....
What do you think ? ....are Humans having a better treatment

hmmm....not exactly...in the words of henry deacon who's had experience/encounters, reps serve humanity (for dinner)..he used those words
..but also, you yourself posted that 22 part video on this very subject (plausible reasons to belive reps really exist),on another thread i think, where some of the interviewees claim the same...i'm suprised you didn't pick on that considering it was you who posted the video for us... :wacko2: l



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[Eric J (Viking)]

Mmm I wonder if they are making a point!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ybg_mI6o7k&feature=player_embedded

viking

[lightblue]

viking:
Mmm I wonder if they are making a point!!!


so why do you think they don't put them out of action once anf for all times? i don't think this is about god and/or bad, it's about the perspective - why do you think et are indifferent watching the destruction by other means? l



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[Eric J (Viking)]

viking:


so why do you think they don't put them out of action once and for all times?



Haven't got a clue Blue.

viking

[TraineeHuman]

I believe that, as long as I am in the physical world, in a body of flesh and blood, red bloodI've got to acknowledge that world, as REAL, as a GIVEN FACT, without labeling it as a trap.

Tintagelcave, the Buddha's position was that, just as you say, we should not deny the reality of the world. Indeed, in some ways the most central idea in all forms of Buddhism is what is called tathata. That translates as "(simply) accepting what is". It's also true, however, that the Buddha claimed the physical world is one in which it's not possible to avoid suffering, and that it has suffering as part of its core nature. I'm sorry to have misled you by bringing in the concept of "illusion", which is a Christian and also a Hindu concept.

But personally, I consider that spiritual liberation includes the ability to kind of rest in the sixth dimension even while one also lives "in, but not of" the everyday world. And I consider that spiritual liberation involves the ability to kind of "turn down the volume" of one's ego's or one's mind's chatter and desires, as it's my experience that these are the root cause of one's suffering. For me, ultimately it's all about learning to stay relatively happy all the time. It's also my experience that the more one can do this, the greater one's capacity will be to face what's real. I guess in a way it's a little like how contrast in a drawing enables us to see things more clearly. Being conscious of the bliss and peace of the sixth dimension doesn't have to diminish one's appreciation of or action in the 3D world.

[BestLion]

My take from what we read of history..is that the ETs or gods..were what I call semi-good/bad. In Atlantis it was made by Posiden, and he mixed with a earth women..having 10 kingdoms arrive from that. But Posiden wasn't always that good, and was warlike..and so were the Atlantian demigods. The Annunaki enslaved people.
Then the age old question if the gods were bad then why didnt they destroy us when man was throwing stones? Well why would they? If you could control an entire race would you destroy them?
Also the universe itself speak that it is a hierarchy. And I feel aliens-gods also line up in accord to the laws of the universe. I'm of the opinion that their were gods-rulers over us 'and still are' and they forbid any other beings messing in their affairs.

[RMorgan]

Well, in my opinion, the universe is a pretty big place. In fact, it´s the biggest place around.

There might be bad beings out there. There might be good beings out there. There also might have beings who transcend the duality of good/bad.

The universe is such a huge place that there might be even identical beings living in near identical plants millions of light years away from each other.

Well, if we go with the possibility of extra habitable dimensions, things get even bigger.

There might be so many kinds of beings out there that we couldn´t imagine even in our wildest dreams!

The Universe is boiling with life and good and bad are essential parts of this life business. It´s all about balance.

Lions aren´t bad because they hunt and kill other animals to live.

You are not necessarily bad because you eat meat to live, you kill to live.

If an alien race comes here to eat us, they wouldn´t be bad as well. If an alien race came here to kill us and colonize our planet for their own survival, it doesn´t mean they are bad as well.

Do you feel guilty when you kill an insect? Or when you kill an entire ants or bee colonies which is in your way, so you can build a Jacuzzi?

Maybe, for some alien races out there, we might be just like insignificant insects.

The worst kind of beings are those to devour each other, who have no respect for their own kind...Like us.

Cheers,

Raf.

[mojo]

Hi Viking, ty for the thread. I don't understand why Dr. Greer basis his reasoning that they have to be good based on the fact that they haven't wiped us out yet. That is not logical thinking IMHO. I really like Dr. Greer's information on the whole except for a few points like this. I wonder why he hasn't reconsidered these opinions? Maybe the good ET's are keeping the bad one's in check on issues as large as usurping mankind? His position that all abudctions including human abductions were done by human based Mi-labs seems flawed as well.

XmoyoAYi7Do

[13th Warrior]

His position that all abudctions including human abductions were done by human based Mi-labs seems flawed as well.

It's my memory that Dr. Greer stated that "most" abductions were mil lab based this is very different than the claim of "all"...

Could you point me to where Dr. Greer states "all"?

[mojo]

Sorry, I stand corrected, I was recalling a generalization and he could have said most I just remember Richard Dolan speaking about him on the issue the of MI-labs.

[13th Warrior]

Sorry, I stand corrected, I was recalling a generalization and he could have said most I just remember Richard Dolan speaking about him on the issue the of MI-labs.

Don't be too quick to apologize; my memory isn't perfect and i could well be mistaken?