Sacrifice

[kirolak]

I have been thinking of a remark made by Swami Atmatattwa das (in the thread I posted on the Vedic view of UFOs) concerning the role of sacrifice in keeping this world/dimension in existence (my words) & the postulation that if there were no voluntary sacrifice, the universe would then exact a sacrifice from one in the form of personal loss of some kind.

If the loss of life in natural disasters, 9/11 type events, wars etc, is viewed as engineered sacrificial rituals performed or influenced by higher or other-dimensional beings (whether of positive or negative inclination) this makes a certain amount of (unpleasant) sense & concurs with what David Icke and others have maintained.

It seems all sacrifice involving the loss of blood (whether "religiously" inspired or ritual magic) is performed for material gain, & consequently upholds the pairs of opposites/duality which constitute this dimension. But higher sacrifice (of one's own lower instincts/charity/service to others, etc) leads to general spiritual benefit, not merely ego gratification.

These ideas are not new, of course, but I was deeply struck by the realization once again, that these are the glue that binds (our experience of) this world; that we CAN change conditions for ourselves & other beings, largely by refusing to participate in any of the modern-day blood rituals, be they in the guise of tradition, sport, nationalism/tribalism, and most especially, the use of animals and the products of the slaughterhouse.

Swami Atmatattwa sees genuine crop circles as a possible form of sacrifice made by inter-dimensional beings. I have never heard or thought of this possibility before, & as such it has opened a new channel in my mind; something to ponder over the next few weeks. If anyone has insights to share, it would be great to hear them!

I should mention perhaps, that I am not a devotee of the Swami. My original chosen guru, who I will not name, would not allow me to think freely on such topics; he felt they were diversions on the path, & I'm inclined to think now that he was right. Nevertheless, I still hold that one has the right to explore & make one's own mistakes. . . . .

Rather off the topic, it seems to me that certain nations or groups of people are morbidly fascinated by blood, death & pain; this has given rise to a culture that misguidedly uses this perhaps to express an unconscious yearning towards a heightened awareness, through morbid "art forms" - I am thinking of bull-fighting (& several other activities involving men hurting a bull) in the country of my own ancestors (Spain) but also the world-wide cruelties of cock-fighting; dog-fighting; rodeos, etc. It all seems to be infused with romantic ideas of "love", "honour" & glamour; one could also say, apart from blood diamonds, that there is also blood opera, blood theatre - in fact, blood worship. . . . .?:(

[Tony]

Our blood is to do with the physical body, and has no spiritual connection.
We can sacrifice our body for the benefit of others. In that moment there probably
isn't any thought of sacrifice, we would just do it.

Anyone or any being thinking that a blood ritual has any power is deluded. They probably
get some sort of sexual or power excitement out of it and that's all.

True sacrifice is to do with compassion for others, in the sense of a Bodhisattva.

The internet is full of fantasies which have no reality at all.
These fantasies misdirect us, and delay our spiritual progress.

Magicians manipulate the mind, but do not realise that their minds have already been manipulated.
To put it bluntly, fools follow fools.

It's all an insane comic strip, to keep the natives excited in an insane dream.
Always trust your teacher who shows you your inner tutor.




Tony

[giovonni]

When one thinks of sacrifice the color red, the color of blood, usually comes immediately to my mind. In the distant past, when our ancestors slaughtered an animal to get raw meat, they must have seen the red blood in the animal which was like their own. Perhaps this commonality made the idea of a transference possible? Such as eating an animal's flesh (life) was transferred metamorphosed into human life. What they were engaged in was not necessarily violence, so to speak, but a transference in life force energy. One might then begin to believe (assume) that this possibility of transference was essential through a concept of sacrifice. It has been conveyed through the ages that for sacrifice to have meaning something has to be transferred from one location to other. ~ life or death, blessing or curse.

In the animal kingdom ~ lions are not necessarily violent against zebras ... it could be said they are just transferring the zebra's (life energies) into their own ...

Note i do not have difficulty with the Lion-Zebra analogy... But i do recognize that the human situation is much different ... Because humans overkill ... And it has repeated through history that human civilizations are built upon overkill...

Somewhere along the line on a deeper level of the collective human psyche, man's so called civilized life was corrupted and motivated (steered) by false religiousness teachings...

Note most civilizations, past and present, have practiced, and even demanded some kind of dark liturgy through the concept of blood sacrifice ... That is a flaw in mankind ... Which has gotten totally out of hand ... And it must be changed in order for us to progress and evolve.

[kirolak]

Our blood is to do with the physical body, and has no spiritual connection.
We can sacrifice our body for the benefit of others. In that moment there probably
isn't any thought of sacrifice, we would just do it.

Anyone or any being thinking that a blood ritual has any power is deluded. They probably
get some sort of sexual or power excitement out of it and that's all.

True sacrifice is to do with compassion for others, in the sense of a Bodhisattva.

The internet is full of fantasies which have no reality at all.
These fantasies misdirect us, and delay our spiritual progress.

Magicians manipulate the mind, but do not realise that their minds have already been manipulated.
To put it bluntly, fools follow fools.

It's all an insane comic strip, to keep the natives excited in an insane dream.
Always trust your teacher who shows you your inner tutor.




Tony

I agree that blood is merely the material manifestation, but it is the manifestation of an act of violence which has caused the blood to flow. We can end this if we so choose. We are all responsible, & we can all end it now, at once.