QEG Germany has achieved resonance

[Daphne]

There's not much else I could find on this.

http://youtu.be/F2U5Sli9cuk

[TargeT]

that video shows nothing, they could have at least put their findings in the description of the video...

I need to see a bit more before a video like that catches my attention, and 500mA is pretty weak

[scanner]

It doesn't really tell you much , like , what's the input to output ratio voltages are ? can it be mass produced etc . Thanks for the video , I'm always looking at energy alternatives .

[Nick Matkin]

As others have said the above video is completely meaningless.

And at what frequency is this 'resonance' occurring?

It's still worrying that no clear input/output power measurement have been provided. What there has been previously showed confusion between 'peak', 'peak-to-peak' and RMS measurements. They've been doing this since March.

And in AC circuits we also need to know the phase relationship between voltage and current or else you get incorrect, misleading measurements. But the QEG team do know that, don't they...?

Nick

[GuyFox]

It is pretty meaningless, if true.

What matters is genuine over-unity, ie the ability of the machine to power itself, and then throwoff useful excess energy
on a sustained basis.

I will predict confidently, that this will NOT happen with QEG in Morocco, Germany, Canada, or anywhere else.

> reasons: http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10010

Hopegirl, as per her normal practice, is over-hyping everything:

Major Breakthrough in Free Energy: Overunity Demonstrated in the QEG

Before we begin this ground-breaking post, we would like to share this important update that covers the events the FTW QEG team has experienced in the last two months of hands-on project work and traveling.
. . .
The QEG project has been running strong for 8 months. During this time, 3 milestones of free energy development have been identified with the QEG:

1) Resonance
2) Over Unity
3) Self Looping/RMS power output

The purpose of this article, the accompanying “QEG Morocco showing Overunity in VARs” video, and the accompanying updated Test and Measurement report is to explain the paradigm changing significance of what is being viewed in a way that both engineers and an average person can understand.
. . .
READ CAREFULLY,
and see if you find her explanations convincing:
> http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/

[Richard S.]

that video shows nothing, they could have at least put their findings in the description of the video...

I need to see a bit more before a video like that catches my attention, and 500mA is pretty weak

500 mA is pretty weak, but at 5kV, it`s 2500W, using a stepdown transformer, you could change that to 120V and get almost 21A which is stronger than any average outlet.

[GuyFox]

Please be careful - there are some problems with that calculation,
as you may understand if you read the link

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:

Here we go again.................

Seems like the full disclosure is NOT HAPPENING! Remember from the beginning how everyone on the planet was told by hopegirl that there would be full disclosure and everyone would be updated as soon as the tests were done. I must admit that has NOT HAPPENED and the results that are shown have been utter failures..
All this talk about step up converters and everything else BUT no one has used one or if they have found out their calculations were wrong.
I have followed qeg from the beginning and found it a farse on a grand scale because too many people actually believe even though they get results that show it doesn't work.

To finally put an end to the hypocrasy someone please hook up a step up converter and record the results using a stationary video camera. Show the results or let's have a long deserved funeral of this travesty.

chancy

PS if you really want the truth on qeg go to www.overunity.com and follow the threads on qeg. These people actually are posting their findings and they are not good. I think these guys want qeg to succeed more than hopegirl and her coherts. Unfortunately it isn't playing out that way

[Richard S.]

Please be careful - there are some problems with that calculation,
as you may understand if you read the link

Huh? What problem...

Power(P) is Watts, Potential(V) is Voltage, Flow(I) is Current, Constraint of Flow(R) is Resistance.

Basic electricity course, FYI. (P=VI and V=RI)

I realize that some power gets lost in the transformation, but that is almost negligible. Please explain where there is a problem?

[Nick Matkin]

Please be careful - there are some problems with that calculation,
as you may understand if you read the link

Huh? What problem...

Power(P) is Watts, Potential(V) is Voltage, Flow(I) is Current, Constraint of Flow(R) is Resistance.

Basic electricity course, FYI. (P=VI and V=RI)

I realize that some power gets lost in the transformation, but that is almost negligible. Please explain where there is a problem?


Just a minute! P=VI only applies for DC circuits and AC circuits where the voltage and current are in phase when driving a purely resistive load.

What you really need is P=VIcos ø

Many an experimenter has come unstuck thinking the volt-amp is the same as the watt and overlook the Power Factor!!

See What’s The Difference Between Watts And Volt-Amperes? (http://electronicdesign.com/energy/what-s-difference-between-watts-and-volt-amperes)

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is one of the reasons the QEG doesn't work.

So, when all these 'thousands' of engineers across the globe following the QEG plans cannot get 100% efficiency, never mind 'over unity' from this device, who will the QEG team be blaming I wonder?

Nick

[GuyFox]

Hello Everyone:

Here we go again.................
Seems like the full disclosure is NOT HAPPENING! Remember from the beginning how everyone on the planet was told by hopegirl that there would be full disclosure and everyone would be updated as soon as the tests were done. I must admit that has NOT HAPPENED and the results that are shown have been utter failures..
All this talk about step up converters and everything else BUT no one has used one or if they have found out their calculations were wrong.
I have followed qeg from the beginning and found it a farce on a grand scale because too many people actually believe even though they get results that show it doesn't work.

To finally put an end to the hypocrasy someone please hook up a step up converter and record the results using a stationary video camera. Show the results or let's have a long deserved funeral of this travesty.

chancy

PS if you really want the truth on qeg go to www.overunity.com and follow the threads on qeg. These people actually are posting their findings and they are not good. I think these guys want qeg to succeed more than hopegirl and her coherts. Unfortunately it isn't playing out that way

Good post.
The same people got involved/ and may still be involved with Heather and OPPT - another scam.
I actually engaged her to the point where she agreed to answer some questions. When she discovered I actually understood finance, she ran like a scalded dog.
The $5 Billion (with a B!) that she promised everyone on the planet never materialised.
And some old OPPT-ers are still insisting that Heather's UCC's filings foreclosed on "all the banks on the planet" - meantime, they have near record profits and record share prices - so: How does THAT work?

Why trust a group who has shown (at least) once before that they lie, exaggerate, and dodge the Truth.

When QEG first announced they would be building a working device in Taiwan, I gave them the benefit of the doubt - but when that blew up, and they said they would go to Morocco, it looked like they were headed to where they would get uncritical support, from people who had proven (in the OPPT scam) that they were true believers and would overlook any failure, and never demand genuine evidence.

[13th Warrior]

Please be careful - there are some problems with that calculation,
as you may understand if you read the link

Huh? What problem...

Power(P) is Watts, Potential(V) is Voltage, Flow(I) is Current, Constraint of Flow(R) is Resistance.

Basic electricity course, FYI. (P=VI and V=RI)

I realize that some power gets lost in the transformation, but that is almost negligible. Please explain where there is a problem?

Please study Power Factor Correction and also the relationship between inductance, impedance and frequency...

[GuyFox]

With all the attention given to a (likely) scam like QEG,
It surprises me that some real Free Energy news has been ignored:

Free Energy and LENR - Here come the really serious investors

It seems that some Free Energy devices may getting set to move out of the garage and into the factory - and everyday reality.

That's the conclusion I came to when I heard that an established industrial-oriented private equity investor has bought out the scientist, Rossi, who invented the E-Cat. The investor is called Tom Darden, and here's what Forbes says about him:

http://www.newdimensions.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Tom-Darden-150x150.jpg :

Mr.Darden is the Chief Executive Officer of Cherokee Investment Partners, a private equity fund that invests in brownfields. Cherokee made its first brownfield investment in 1990 and has since raised five funds: $50 million in 1996, $250 million in 1999, $620 million in 2003 and $1.4 billion in 2006. Beginning in 1984, Mr. Darden served for 16 years as the Chairman of Cherokee Sanford Group, a brick manufacturing and soil remediation company. From 1981 to 1983, he was a consultant with Bain & Company in Boston. From 1977 to 1978, he worked as an environmental planner for the Korea Institute of Science and Technology in Seoul, where he was a Henry Luce Foundation Scholar.

I heard about the transaction on Sterling Allen's latest podcast for the Rense network:

MP3 : http://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/free_energy/hr1061214.mp3

Here's more on the transaction:

A North Carolina based company called Industrial Heat LLC has come out and admitted that it now owns Andrea Rossi’s ecat low energy nuclear reaction (LENR) technology. Industrial Heat has put out a press release in which it confirmed rumors that it had spent $11 million to purchase Rossi’s device.

The press release also confirmed speculation that Tom Darden of Cherokee Investment Partners a North Carolina equity fund is a principal investor in Industrial heat. It stated that one of Darden’s associates J.T. Vaughn is the manager of Industrial Heat LLC. Industrial Heat LLC is based in the Research Triangle region around Raleigh, North Carolina where many technology companies have operations. Cherokee’s website describes Vaughn as a Senior Analyst at the firm.
==
> http://coldfusion3.com/blog/it%E2%80%99s-official-us-startup-admits-to-purchasing-rossi%E2%80%99s-e-cat-lenr-technology

What's LENR / Cold Fusion ?:
LENR stands for Low Energy Nuclear Reactions — and refers to the phenomenon where anomalous amounts of heat are created when certain metals (e.g. nickel, palladium) absorb hydrogen or deuterium and an external stimulus such as heat or an electric current is applied. The reaction takes place at relatively low temperature and sometimes results in transmutation of elements as well as the production of heat. Either no strong radiation is produced or it is absorbed locally. The waste products are not radioactive. This phenomenon is also referred to as Cold Fusion, LANR (lattice assisted nuclear reaction), as well as other terms.
==
> http://www.e-catworld.com/what-is-lenr/

[Richard S.]

Please be careful - there are some problems with that calculation,
as you may understand if you read the link

Huh? What problem...

Power(P) is Watts, Potential(V) is Voltage, Flow(I) is Current, Constraint of Flow(R) is Resistance.

Basic electricity course, FYI. (P=VI and V=RI)

I realize that some power gets lost in the transformation, but that is almost negligible. Please explain where there is a problem?


Just a minute! P=VI only applies for DC circuits and AC circuits where the voltage and current are in phase when driving a purely resistive load.

What you really need is P=VIcos ø

Many an experimenter has come unstuck thinking the volt-amp is the same as the watt and overlook the Power Factor!!

See What’s The Difference Between Watts And Volt-Amperes? (http://electronicdesign.com/energy/what-s-difference-between-watts-and-volt-amperes)

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is one of the reasons the QEG doesn't work.

So, when all these 'thousands' of engineers across the globe following the QEG plans cannot get 100% efficiency, never mind 'over unity' from this device, who will the QEG team be blaming I wonder?

Nick

True, I did overlook that little discrepancy. However, as I remember the theory, power factors can be corrected easily by inductance or capacitance. Banks of capacitors are usually placed outside factories to correct the power factor since they run so many motors. I guess my theory is getting a little far and old. However, if it`s just a power factor thing for the QEG, it should be easy to correct...

I am here on the sidelines watching this QEG, but my hopes for it are dwindling.
I was under the impression that it would take off, IF TRUE, seems like that boat hasn`t sailed...

[Carmody]

(Not said with any real emotion, here... just talking)

IMO, never confront a wall of disbelieving multi-level (pawn, rook, bishop, knight, queen, king) components, that are all working together (even if they don't quite understand it's ways/paths) to defeat attempts. If one is a simple pawn, then work with only other pawns, in silence and simple communications.

No public announcements, no public forums, connect to no challengers, connect to no debunkers, connect to no one who may issue any kid of a challenge.

Make simple announcements and simple news bits, if one wants, but do not deal with confrontation.

Stay away from battles one cannot win and stick to situations that can be successful.

Things are difficult enough in these areas of endeavor, without all of the clamour and detraction, the shilling, the proofers, the scientific pressures, even if any of it is well meaning, it will kill the effort. Very high odds of that.

So forget abut any sort of public discourse on viability, it's full steam ahead with those who are taking a chance on being directly involved. That's about the only way it will happen.

The OTHER path, will evolve into an eventual confrontation with the energies of about 7 billion people, as an opening move, and is in such situations -nearly perfectly bound for failure. As approximately a few thousand other cases of such things have in their history, Their history of trying to integrate with the mass of humanity at the wrong time in their development.

It took me a long time to understand that: Even the well meaning people are, in the end, the death knell of over unity and alternative technology attempts. Unless they wish to get directly involved and spend the time and the efforts... their discourse, detraction, demands of proof before they get involved, etc, are all negative psychological projections that end up killing things before they begin.

I don't really care of the QEG is real, or not. But this.... this is what kills free energy.

If one wants 'free energy', then one should get off one's duff and get directly involved. Find some avenue, and get into it. Prepare to fail over and over, or maybe not. Whatever the outcome, deal with it. And get on with it.

The rest of any behavior or act...is less than useful - negative, in fact.

Most of the successful devices, are RF field (scalar) (dimensional) pulsing or vortexing types.

The QEG appears to be an attempt at a device which combines both. My preference is to not introduce (to come into-ie, world stage) over unity with such devices, as they disturb the local dimensional stability, in some degree/level. Not the smartest thing to be doing.

[Nick Matkin]

If anyone wants to pursue a new technology, whether it fits with our current understanding of physics or not, they should be prepared to confront and answer the questions of onlookers. That's not being negative, destructive or debunking. It's simply asking for the facts; a completely reasonable request in any discourse.

However, the developers could choose to just keep quiet and get on with the job without bothering to answer any questions because all will be revealed to the world. That's a perfectly acceptable approach, if a working device gets revealed, and the world stands back, gasping in awe and disbelief.

Well I'm waiting for QEG to do just that, but I ain't holding my breath.

Plans were released in March, nothing tangible yet despite many attempts to emulate the design across the world...? C'mon...

Nick

[Carmody]

Go find the facts yourself.

If I understand a given thing, and I try to bring it to people, and they hammer me for proofs..in that moment of trying to bring that thing to people, I would get killed destroyed, from almost any and all given quarters, I would be wiped out.

I've told you this before, and you seem to be incapable of understanding this REALITY about these sort of subjects. The kind of subjects and topics that have the capacity to create great change in the world.

There is NO subject of any kind, in this area of endeavor, that you cannot drop the truth about, and not run fast enough away from it, to not be wiped out. (either metaphorically or in reality)

It has happened to 100% of all the people that have come before, that have tried the methods that you seem to DEMAND.

Which, in the basic facts, if you wish to use that word....makes your position, patently ludicrous.

Thus, the 'way' that you demand things be done... means either you are illiterate of the realities, or you 'shill the line'. (hold the line and mind for the given control matrix, either for pay of some sort, or you do their dirty work without even knowing it)

[Nick Matkin]

Very interesting. We seem to have no common ground of understanding how the world works or our respective places in it. Our life journeys have brought us to very different places.

However, I'm not sure what you mean by my 'patently ridiculous' position. If that's how you describe being logical, researching, questioning, thorough, methodical and analytical, it's precisely that approach that has, among other things, brought us the very technology which is permitting this (futile?) exchange.

But that's drifting way off topic...

Nick

[ThePythonicCow]

However, if it`s just a power factor thing for the QEG, it should be easy to correct...
One can change the power factor by adding inductance or capacitance - that's true.

But what gets preserved (give or take losses in the circuit) is the true power, not the apparent power.

The apparent power is just the voltage times the current, multiplied, without considering their phase (the power factor). It has two parts, the true power (that could actually do work) and the reactive power (due to the reactance of the circuit):

http://sub.allaboutcircuits.com/images/02218.png

As explained here (http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_11/4.html), power factor correction is important in the design of practical power distribution circuits.

Running a circuit that has a high reactance means that you have either lots of extra current (and associated heat loss) sloshing about the circuit, doing no useful work, or that you have to pump up the voltage (and require higher quality components) adding expense to the implementation.

In other words, power factor correction can avoid wasting power due to a highly reactive, inefficient, circuit, but it cannot make power. It does not turn an ordinary, very much not over-unity, circuit into an over-unity wonder circuit. It lowers the apparent power (the simple volts times amps, ignoring phase); it does not raise the true power (watts of useful power available.)

===

A practical example of such power factor correction:

Many of us will see, if we look, banks of capacitors attached to some of the electric power distribution poles near us, looking like this:

http://www.hubbellpowersystems.com/campaigns/images/SmartBank.png
The power distribution systems we use distribute power over long distances using high voltage lines (to reduce heat loss, as using higher voltage (V) enables using lower current (I), reducing I^2*R heat losses for a given thickness, and hence resistance (R), of wire.

But this requires using transformers to step down the voltage to something that ordinary people, running inexpensive equipment, can safely and economically handle. One could, I suppose, build a refrigerator or light bulb or motor that ran on 400 kV (400,000 volts) or 500 kV, but such equipment would not be safe or economical to operate in large quantities. One is never going to find a 400 kV toaster at Wal*Mart for $29.99 :).

Here's the sort of equipment used to handle such high voltage transmission lines. These are 90 to 180 foot tall towers.

http://www.minnelectrans.com/images/1as.gif http://www.minnelectrans.com/images/1bs.gif

Here's one example of such added transformers -- three of them for each of the three phases commonly used in power distribution:

http://media.kval.com/images/stock_powerlines2.jpg

Those added transformers add unbalanced inductance to system. To balance this, power companies also add capacitor banks to the system, so that they can keep the overall reactance low and avoid wasting energy on wasted heat losses from extra current sloshing around their system. Here's another example of such added capacitor banks:

http://2.imimg.com/data2/RU/XK/IMFCP-2797271/images-pole_mounted_capacitor-250x250.jpg

[ThePythonicCow]

Which, in the basic facts, if you wish to use that word....makes your position, patently ludicrous.

Thus, the 'way' that you demand things be done... means either you are illiterate of the realities, or you 'shill the line'. (hold the line and mind for the given control matrix, either for pay of some sort, or you do their dirty work without even knowing it)

Either this QEG effort is genuine, or it is a sham (simplifying a bit here, perhaps.)

If it is genuine, then, yes, if they told us, they'd have to kill us (or more realistically, get either themselves, or us, or both, killed or otherwise "firmly" dealt with.)

If it is a sham, as myself and some others above suspect, then our asking for a real explanation is essentially our way of saying that this sounds like B.S. to us, a distraction from real efforts and the real physics ... a distraction tolerated ("let it happen") if not out right created ("make it happen") by the bastards in power to discredit, divide and (that word again) distract anyone interested in these efforts.

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's another common example of power factor correction -- adding capacitors to the underside of a CPU socket on several of the leads, in order to correct power factor and thus minimize heat loss and improve signal quality.

http://cdn.eteknix.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/IMG_3823.jpg
Each of those couple dozen tiny black boxes with silver end-caps are capacitors. The main CPU is on the other side of the board.

The big metal plate is needed to provide a physically solid base for the potentially heavy heat sink attached to the CPU on the other side of the board.

[13th Warrior]

Which, in the basic facts, if you wish to use that word....makes your position, patently ludicrous.

Thus, the 'way' that you demand things be done... means either you are illiterate of the realities, or you 'shill the line'. (hold the line and mind for the given control matrix, either for pay of some sort, or you do their dirty work without even knowing it)

Either this QEG effort is genuine, or it is a sham (simplifying a bit here, perhaps.)

If it is genuine, then, yes, if they told us, they'd have to kill us (or more realistically, get either themselves, or us, or both, killed or otherwise "firmly" dealt with.)

If it is a sham, as myself and some others above suspect, then our asking for a real explanation is essentially our way of saying that this sounds like B.S. to us, a distraction from real efforts and the real physics ... a distraction tolerated ("let it happen") if not out right created ("make it happen") by the bastards in power to discredit, divide and (that word again) distract anyone interested in these efforts.

I believe the main problem with the QEG project is ignorance and ego; I haven't perceived any intentional foul play.

[13th Warrior]

I read QEG's documents that they first released and the Tesla patent that they cited as inspiration had no implications of overunity operation. It is as stated a device that provides a stable A.C. signal that is unaffected by a piston driven motor/generator in which the operation of is affected by variances in the power stroke e.g. a steam engine in which the steam pressure has pressure variablitie.

[GuyFox]

Clear. concrete and scientific explanations are not forthcoming from the QEG Team
Only unsubstantiated claims, supported by shabby and half-articulated, unscientific arguments.

Examples, from Brian Kelly:
+ I was aware of Fix the World and the dream of their first project becoming a reality by open sourcing a free energy device and gifting it to humanity. Here, they would donate the finished QEG to the local impoverished village of Aouchtam to generate the power to pump the village water well. This was being made possible by over 600 members of the public generously donating funds through the crowd funding structure

+ WE REACHED OVERUNITY!!!!! On 17th May 2014 in Morocco they reached 6 times overunity, which basically meant that the machine was capable of putting out six times more than than that which was coming in, and this figure has now risen to 33 times overunity!!!!Thus FREE ENERGY IS HERE!

+ We need to build a transverter (which is already being built) to convert and withdraw the enormous power that is already in the core. We will be completing this phase in the UK at a private build and will opensource the results.
==
> http://briankellysblog.blogspot.hk/

So there you have it - 600 people who read BK's good hearted nonsense gave money to take this sham to where it sits now. And they are making big claims and asking for more.

We have been here before about one year ago with the wild claims of OPPT:
"Five billion of 'your value' can be accessed through the banks"
"All the banks have been foreclosed upon"

And so this strongly suggests that QEG is nothing more than: This year's sham/scam from this unreliable group.

Until I see MUCH stronger evidence, this is the only conclusion I am comfortable with.

[aviators]

Let me first say I really wanted the QEG to prove itself.
Most here can admit its not that over unity(free energy) is impossible.
It's more of a question, who will get it first and to the people.

That being said I truly believed James had something here.
Why would anyone work so hard and drag so many in on a device that
can't prove itself. I know a con artist might.
I still don't want to believe that's the case here.

If I had only one question for James it would be: What happened to the 9300
Wat prototype you had before leaving for Taiwan ?

James states he had a respectable output from his prototype in the US.
Here you can here it for yourself at the 20 min. mark. WT #^*%
RJKE5DJRMFQ

[GuyFox]

Actually, I agree with you : James does not seem like a con-artist.

But he may be someone who (inexplicably) believes in Junk Science.

There is no question, that the device, and its merits have been massively over-promoted.
Which is where the sham elements come in.

[dim]

Their history of trying to integrate with the mass of humanity at the wrong time in their development.

The psychological warfare is part in the path of the the new that wants to crack in to this reality,
it is helping us to ignore, overgrow, mature and it was never easy.
Let the demon unleashed, our win must be thorough.

And we don't actually know the "right" time of the development of anyone

[annacherie]

Thank the heavens for the mystery of grace and creation. Sometimes "rules" apply but not always ....and paradox would have it that even the truest amongst us will contradict themselves.

I pity the poor souls who know not the sweetness of that which sometimes gets lost in translation.

What about the "intent" of those who are testing? Remember the cold fusion experiments by Dr. Bockris at Texas A & M?

I wouldn't want to live in a purely mechanized world where the power of love would not be an x factor for surely that would be a world where time would be terminal and there would be no need to evolve the forces of our will

[GuyFox]

Our existing energy systems do not require "the right attitude" and a good day, to power what we use.

[Firinn]

Our existing energy systems do not require "the right attitude" and a good day, to power what we use.
Very true, as is the fact that the existing systems are not over unity.

[GuyFox]

Haha.
That seems like you are tiptoeing into the world of Magical thinking.

You really don't need to go there to talk about Free Energy:
http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index.php?showtopic=19117

[aviators]

There is no question, that the device, and its merits have been massively over-promoted.
Which is where the sham elements come in.

This has crossed my mind as well. What bothers me most is why would
someone put so much energy and time into something that wasn't promising.
Even if the QEG was only capable of 2kw it would be worthy to promote to the world.
So let's hope James didn't put the cart before the horse here and promote a device
on false findings. It also occurred to me we could be looking at psychological warfare.

This would be a great time for Witts to get off there high horse
and disclose to the world how there generator works.

[Bob]

Thank the heavens for the mystery of grace and creation. Sometimes "rules" apply but not always ....and paradox would have it that even the truest amongst us will contradict themselves.

I pity the poor souls who know not the sweetness of that which sometimes gets lost in translation.

What about the "intent" of those who are testing? Remember the cold fusion experiments by Dr. Bockris at Texas A & M?

I wouldn't want to live in a purely mechanized world where the power of love would not be an x factor for surely that would be a world where time would be terminal and there would be no need to evolve the forces of our will

Hi Anna :)

I chose your post to reply to in this thread.

I won't debate the merits or not of this mechanical concept in the QEG dynamic. BUT I feel your post is highly relevant.

I tend to look for patterns of micro and macro in the challenges being placed before consciousness, and to see how consciousness approaches the opportunity to grow, and what "button" is needed to get one's particular identity to "respond".

My feeling is when we can solve the micro, the macro's solution will be at hand, and there will not be a necessity for more of that particular type of "challenge" to be solved, as the lesson would be accomplished. To see if "wisdom" will be applied, (lessons learned and applied skillfully) well as they say, we shall see.

I found this link to be particularly supportive and in a very nice way, helps to allow for focus and perspective -
http://www.theshuuk.com/think-sideways-tuesday-its-all-about-believing-and-a-bicycle/

IT'S all about believing to take the first step to get on and "ride that bicycle".

I'll copy some of the text here from that link for I feel it's relevance -

" [..] He had only been on a bike without training wheels twice before and both resulted in a lot of falling over and tears. This weekend we gave it another shot with my 9 year old riding ahead. I thought seeing his brother in action would make him try harder. We started out really shaky.

"Basically it was me holding him up and keeping him from falling over. About 15 minutes into it and what seemed like a really far distance from where we started, the whining and crying began. He kept telling me it was too hard and that he couldn’t do it and that he wanted to go home. Can you blame him? He couldn’t balance and every time I let go he tipped over – ouch!

"I had spent the morning listening to Jim Rohn audio books while folding laundry and all the self-help talk about choosing to succeed was in my head so in a desperate attempt to not have to carry the little bike back to the parking lot I leaned down and told Ari this:

“Ari, if it’s one thing I know about you it’s that you can do anything you want. You are just awesome that way. I think you are choosing to not be able to ride the bike and making it harder than it is. I bet if you chose to ride this bike you would do it easily. What do you say you choose to ride this bike like a rock star?”

"I didn’t actually think it would work but I was desperate.

"He nodded his little head shoved in that big helmet, balanced the bike and started to ride.

"I am not kidding you when I tell you that he literally just started riding. What a transformation.

"In that moment, something clicked and he decided he could do it.

"He went from whining and tipping over every time I let go to biking around the park without help.

"He rode, by himself, the entire way back to the parking lot. Ari, at age 5, decided something was possible and made it happen.

"I was practically in tears watching him ride his bike yelling wee. I wasn’t in tears from pride, although I was definitely a proud mom in that moment, I was in tears because lately I feel like I’ve struggled in the area of belief.

"I got into a hole where my belief is that everything is hard and that I have to struggle to make things happen.

"My dreams got a little bit smaller.

"I bet you’ve felt that way, too. Ari made me realize that the problem wasn’t my actions.

"It was that my limiting beliefs were driving small actions.

"So, no wonder I wasn’t getting any of the results I wanted.

"After seeing Ari change his mind and his actions to align with his beliefs I kind of felt like a jerk. I mean, if my 5 year old can do it what’s holding me back?"

Thanks for your post and view on this QEG lesson.

-- Bob

[annacherie]

Yes....from the simplest of tasks to the sublime....Certainly Dr. Bockris' work in cold fusion was held to high standards of scientific rigor .



"The specific nature of the biofield is supported by experiments on human biofield .... The prosecution of Dr. Bockris started after these results became known. ... the low temperature nuclear reaction might have been induced by the human intent"

The following are but a few examples of how the biofield can interfere with other physical fields through mere intent of specially gifted, and in some cases regular, individuals.

• Interference with weak (internuclear) forces:
- speeding up and slowing down the rate of americium 241Am nuclear decay [10]
- stimulation of low temperature nuclear transmutation of lead into gold (see below in this article)
• Interference with electromagnetic fields:
- rotation of the plane of polarization of a polarized laser beam by 30 ang.min.[11] and 7° ang.[12]
- induction of a temporary peak in the Raman spectrum of tap water at 2200 1/cm [13]
- temporary changes in the microstructure of water as observed through scattering of laser beam l=632.8 nm at various angles [14]
- deviation of the electrical resistance of a thermostabilized thermoresistor [15]
- increase of adsorption and dispersion of a monochromatic laser radiation (l=10.6 mm and 4 mm) by air, nitrogen and carbon dioxide [15]
- deviation of UV adsorption spectra of DNA water solution in the area of 220- 280 nm three independent observations [17, 18, 19]
- induction of a periodic electrical signal from a piezoelectric sensor [20]
- induction of a pulse magnetic field (100nT and up to 27x106 nT), [21] rotation of a compasses needle [21, 22]
• Interference with the gravitation field:
- moving the plate of an encased precise analytical balance equivalent to 100 mg force [21]
• Interference with performance of man-made devices:
- predetermined deviation from randomness of various random number generators (this study has been conducted in at least two highly credible scientific laboratories in the US showing the probability of randomness p<10 -13power) [23, 24]
- increase of the concentration of dislocations (missing atoms in microcrystalline structure) in "metal bending" experiments with local increase of surface (Vickers) hardness [25]

http://www.whps.com/misaha/alternative.html

[GuyFox]

There is no question, that the device, and its merits have been massively over-promoted.
Which is where the sham elements come in.

This has crossed my mind as well. What bothers me most is why would
someone put so much energy and time into something that wasn't promising.
Even if the QEG was only capable of 2kw it would be worthy to promote to the world.
So let's hope James didn't put the cart before the horse here and promote a device
on false findings. It also occurred to me we could be looking at psychological warfare.

This would be a great time for Witts to get off there high horse
and disclose to the world how there generator works.

Why?
They are getting some "traction" in their promotional efforts, and hope that will grow.
I understand that Hopegirl has already collected over $100,000 in donations - not bad for 6 months work.
It may be the only one of her efforts that is working, but I suppose it will get tougher now - with no progress.

It will be interesting to see where her next "pivot" takes her.

Remember the QEG is a pivot already, from the earlier pivots of:
+ UCC filings to foreclose on banks (failed)
+ First set of Courtesy notice docs (failed)
+ "$5 Billion for everyone on the planet" thru OPPT (failed)
+ First set of Bank docs to "access your value" (failed)
+ Second set of Bank docs to "access your value" (failed)
===
MORE here: http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9038

Along the way, the OPPT-ers collected various donations from naive dupes, enough to keep going.
(BTW, nowhere have they acknowledged and explained honestly ANY of the multiple failures - this is something that I find intensely irritating ! I would happily donate $5, 10, 25, or more for a good video from one of the insiders, making a full, honest, and in-depth confession of how and why they got it so wrong, so often. It might clear the air, in a way that is really necessary to move on to something that is real and workable. But I am not expecting this.)

Hopegirl latched onto this group, because she saw they were gullible enough to fall for here Fix-the-World fantasies.

If anyone thinks I am telling the story wrongly, it would be interesting to see a different take on this story.

[Firinn]

Haha.
That seems like you are tiptoeing into the world of Magical thinking.

You really don't need to go there to talk about Free Energy:
http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index.php?showtopic=19117

The fact I stated can seem to you however you wish.

An observation... Project Avalon, where science and spirituallity meet... for some at least :)

[GuyFox]

Firinn,
Do you also find it easy to ignore the multiple failures of the OPPT/QEG team?

As a practical guy, I find that "track record matters".
Where "spirituality" is used as an excuse from denying the importance of both the Right and Left brain, I think you are headed for trouble.

If you want to back a Free Energy device, I suggest you may have a better chance with Cold Fusion:


With all the attention given to a (likely) scam like QEG,
It surprises me that some real Free Energy news has been ignored:

Free Energy and LENR - Here come the really serious investors

It seems that some Free Energy devices may getting set to move out of the garage and into the factory - and everyday reality.

That's the conclusion I came to when I heard that an established industrial-oriented private equity investor has bought out the scientist, Rossi, who invented the E-Cat. The investor is called Tom Darden, and here's what Forbes says about him:

http://www.newdimensions.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Tom-Darden-150x150.jpg :

Mr.Darden is the Chief Executive Officer of Cherokee Investment Partners, a private equity fund that invests in brownfields. Cherokee made its first brownfield investment in 1990 and has since raised five funds: $50 million in 1996, $250 million in 1999, $620 million in 2003 and $1.4 billion in 2006. Beginning in 1984, Mr. Darden served for 16 years as the Chairman of Cherokee Sanford Group, a brick manufacturing and soil remediation company. From 1981 to 1983, he was a consultant with Bain & Company in Boston. From 1977 to 1978, he worked as an environmental planner for the Korea Institute of Science and Technology in Seoul, where he was a Henry Luce Foundation Scholar.

I heard about the transaction on Sterling Allen's latest podcast for the Rense network:

MP3 : http://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/free_energy/hr1061214.mp3

Here's more on the transaction:

A North Carolina based company called Industrial Heat LLC has come out and admitted that it now owns Andrea Rossi’s ecat low energy nuclear reaction (LENR) technology. Industrial Heat has put out a press release in which it confirmed rumors that it had spent $11 million to purchase Rossi’s device.

The press release also confirmed speculation that Tom Darden of Cherokee Investment Partners a North Carolina equity fund is a principal investor in Industrial heat. It stated that one of Darden’s associates J.T. Vaughn is the manager of Industrial Heat LLC. Industrial Heat LLC is based in the Research Triangle region around Raleigh, North Carolina where many technology companies have operations. Cherokee’s website describes Vaughn as a Senior Analyst at the firm.
==
> http://coldfusion3.com/blog/it%E2%80%99s-official-us-startup-admits-to-purchasing-rossi%E2%80%99s-e-cat-lenr-technology

What's LENR / Cold Fusion ?:
LENR stands for Low Energy Nuclear Reactions — and refers to the phenomenon where anomalous amounts of heat are created when certain metals (e.g. nickel, palladium) absorb hydrogen or deuterium and an external stimulus such as heat or an electric current is applied. The reaction takes place at relatively low temperature and sometimes results in transmutation of elements as well as the production of heat. Either no strong radiation is produced or it is absorbed locally. The waste products are not radioactive. This phenomenon is also referred to as Cold Fusion, LANR (lattice assisted nuclear reaction), as well as other terms.
==
> http://www.e-catworld.com/what-is-lenr/

[Firinn]

Firinn,
Do you also find it easy to ignore the multiple failures of the OPPT/QEG team?

As a practical guy, I find that "track record matters".
Where "spirituality" is used as an excuse from denying the importance of both the Right and Left brain, I think you are headed for trouble.

If you want to back a Free Energy device, I suggest you may have a better chance with Cold Fusion:



GuyFox,

The presuppositions you spew forth at an ad-hominem level are frankly childish in my opinion. I assure you that I ignore very little in this world, however, your ego driven propensity for ill mannered discourse is moving you quickly towards inclusion on that "shortlist" of things to ignore.

Don't you worry about my bi-hemispherical functioning and how you think it'll lead me towards trouble, it serves me very well. Yes I agree, "track records" often matter and from my personal viewpoint, your's within this community is not one that I care much for.

And for the sake of clarity... at no point have I proclaimed that one free-energy device / initiative should be chosen over another. You are the one doing that.

Now let us all be on our best behaviour and cease sidetracking this thread.

With Love,
Firinn.

[GuyFox]

F.,

I have no idea what you are talking about.
Is it just: Not okay to disagree with you - But FINE for you to insult me ?

I don't make lists, but if I did I would probably put your name on one:
Don't try speaking with this person


=== here's the comment, in case it gets changed ===

GuyFox,

The presuppositions you spew forth at an ad-hominem level are frankly childish in my opinion. I assure you that I ignore very little in this world, however, your ego driven propensity for ill mannered discourse is moving you quickly towards inclusion on that "shortlist" of things to ignore.

Don't you worry about my bi-hemispherical functioning and how you think it'll lead me towards trouble, it serves me very well. Yes I agree, "track records" often matter and from my personal viewpoint, your's within this community is not one that I care much for.

And for the sake of clarity... at no point have I proclaimed that one free-energy device / initiative should be chosen over another. You are the one doing that.

Now let us all be on our best behaviour and cease sidetracking this thread.

With Love,
Firinn.
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Since when does an insult like this get made "with Love" (?)
It shows an "disingenuous at best" attitude.
I am a plain-speaking person.
You should re-read what you have written what I have written,
and consider which post is objectively "ill-mannered discourse"

In what way have I sidetracked the thread?

If you think the track record of the QEG team in Morocco is irrelevant to QEG in
Germany, you might have a case, but don't forget where the device, the plans
and the original funding came from.

I have been following the OPPT/QEG story for a long time, and am well aware,
of the history - which I find highly relevant