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GuyFox
14th June 2014, 14:39
REVERSING THE FLOW of Troubles - What can we do?
The following suggestions come from the thread:
Do Americans deserve the Trouble Flowing their way?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72103-Do-Americans-deserve-the-Trouble-Flowing-their-way
I have named the various Approaches, and summarized them with excepts from each Poster's comment
(I have a few of my own, which will follow - but others come first)
This part of the discussion was triggered by:
Kelly Anne's Question: Then, where do I/we start?
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APPROACHES to making changes for the better:
1/
Shezbeth: (Fight secret societies with a White Hat secret society approach):
What I will say is that the individuals, groups, corporations, and interests that have been pulling the strings that have resulted in the circumstances we see today began their initiatives no less than ~120 years ago.... the elite(s) - and particularly the reigning royal family of Britain (et. al) - can trace their lineages as far back as Egypt and in some cases further back to Sumer.
. . .
we start by emulating the opposition. The participating and active opposition to the controllers must become as exclusive as the secret societies from which the controllers operated and sprang... to learn subtlety, manipulation, strategy, subterfuge; the art of war in a nutshell, but to apply it in a manner that actually benefits humanity (literally, not just on paper). The opposition would need to be willing to learn and engage in practices that would/could be considered nefarious, undignified, dishonorable, and condemnable.
. . .
"When facing an insurmountable opponent or unraveling a grand tapestry, it is best to start from the edges," - Jarlaxle
The answer then, begins on the fringes through generational descendants willing and able to live in the confines of the increasingly aggressive structures and slowly and ever so gradually build toward a day and time where there there are sufficient means to outweigh the controllers and their controls.
2/
heretogrow (Fighting dark energies with Love):
I know this will be met with many eye rollers but I love you all. I really mean that. I am so sorry I was born on a continent where there is a nation of bullies who have aggravated and steered everything in the direction of materialism and profit... I WISH TO STAND UP AS AN AMERICAN WHO GENUINELY CARES!
3/
Freed Fox (Shed Light on the secrets - No "hidden hands")
... bringing to light the consequences of unsustainable ways of living, changing those ways, and mitigating the disproportionate power and influence that corporations and industries have which have vested interests in continuing the current paradigm. (...there is no need for anyone's heads to be mounted on spikes here. )
Humanity shouldn't need another 'hidden hand' to manipulate it into doing what is best for itself as a species and, for that matter, the planet as a whole.
4/
Ahnung-quay (Work locally, deny your backing to globalists)
... Small, grassroots initiatives are a good way but, we also need to start demanding that corporations (and lawyers) get out of our politics. We also need to increase boycotting of corporations that produce things that are killing the earth.
5/
Shezbeth (Realize that ruthlessness is needed):
... the unwillingness to go to the lengths of the opponent (the controllers) is why we (their opposition) have been losing;
6/
Risveglio: (If we are serious enough in our resolve for better, "they" will change.. maybe):
... The electric car is 2-3 years away from becoming the next big thing, this will make oil cheap... scientists out there working on free energy, they may not find it but they may discover cheaper energy. Look how many of our cool products were just an accident... We just need to teach us to be positive, to love and to show those that still think voting for which bullet they kill you with matters. We need to stop praising the military, we need to tell our current service men to lay down there weapons ...
7/
Gripreaper (We are being manipulated. blaming ourselves is a divisive agenda)
Once the 1913 Federal Reserve Act was passed, the banksters had control. The United States has been under a military state of emergency since the mid 1800’s, all citizens were made wards of the state, chattel for the bankruptcy, and the globalist banksters have controlled all aspects of industry, education, government, media, and religion ever since...
The main reason the United States was ALLOWED to prosper so extensively in the last 70 years since then, is because the elite needed an educated work force to back engineer the stellar technology and to implement their covert black op’s agendas within a rapid timeline, based on a perceived threat and the need to bring the planet up to speed with other off world technology.
. . .
We have been duped, lied to, covertly and overtly manipulated, and used to create the most massive underground economy and technology known to this planet, providing the globalists with the largest mercenary military force for their colonialistic imperialism to rape and pillage the entire planet. The corporatocracy is NOT United States specific, but it is global is scope, and couching the debate as nationalistic misses the point and focuses on the citizens of the United States rather than the true culprits of the demise...
The expansion of the United States was engineered, and so is the collapse of the United States an engineered phenomenon. Nothing happens by accident...
8/
Ron Mauer Sr-pg5 (A Balanced Approach, starting with what we already control):
Become more self sufficient and reduce debt. To some degree, that reduces the influence of manipulation by the money and power control freaks.
9/
Limor: (Understand: Our behavior has been "modified'):
Far away from you, in Israel, and with a lot of personal data I accumulated this last year I can say that there are deep and a lot more sinister reasons than anyone may believe (at this point) as to why certain countries are systematically more apathetic in nature than others. These countries are under a type of a 'state experimentation', just as is hapenning with individuals under governmental programs. I have heard someone mentions no less than 15 such countries around the world...
...I wouldn't like to take this issue a lot further, as it might exceed the limits of acceptance of some of the participants of this thread, after all, 'waking up' has it's stages and momentum with each and every one, as much as we ask it from others, but I may say that the one card left on the table, not yet turned is that of - modification behaviour which comes in large doses. There are a few more things that yet need to surface.
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Limor (again):
Israelis are in majority too brainwashed to inquire about the real necessity of the next planned war or attack on Gaza and are blindly accepting any false reasons given to them by the government on their behalf, the Americans actually have quite the resistance to government decisions when it comes to invading another country, or at least there is a tremendous resurgence in this matter.
However way we look at it, it seems that we are living in a world that is infected with a plague that has widely spread and now threatens the well-being of the patient (our planet), in it's inability to characterize the problem and implement a solution, which gives others the opportunity to exploit this to the Maximum
(( More Coming ))
GuyFox
14th June 2014, 15:11
More Pathways to Progress
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/jimolsen2/sunrise-2_zps870d80a3.jpg
Guy Fox's suggestions:
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+ Detach from the Globalists: Grow locally, off-grid, outside the Matrix where possible
This means: reduce debt to zero, with minimal reliance on "their" energy, food & handouts.
Strategic example: moving to a small town, and living without a car
+ Defund the Mainstream Media
Turn off TV and cable, stop buying "their" newspapers and mass entertainment
(Forget about their bread and circuses: ie big league sports, popular entertainment)
+ Don't waste your vote on the Du-opoly of the two main parties
The Republicans and Democrats are the right and left hands of a single puppetmaster.
In all likelihood, no one rises in either party, unless they are thoroughly compromised.
Stop supporting either, and seeek true independents.
+ Live and lead, by example
Be the change that you are asking for, and let others see you are living differently,
and thriving in ways that matter (ie Chris Martensen, Brian Oleary, for instance)
+ Get smart, and seek community with those who are aware
Seek out others who have woken up, and with who you can build a new community,
based on more truth, and shared values
yelik
14th June 2014, 15:22
Absolutely agree. Whilst I do believe mankind is raising its level of consciousness by asking the right questions and seeking the truth about who we really are and what we want from life as we experience it. On the one hand we realise the direction of society is wrong and unsustainable.
On the other, we are also able to find answers to our questions and discuss things like never before, thanks to the internet. We are therefore faced with a dilemma of our growing desire for peace, compassion and honesty whilst at the same time being shocked and disgusted by the lies, deceit and extent of crimes against humanity where our leaders have fallen victim to and aligned themselves with the elites.
Clearly the elites have an entirely different agenda to the masses and are using every trick in the book to throw people off the scent. I have said before the elites do care what people know or say as long as you nothing, so I agree that in order to bring about change we must try to understand the elites and the games they playing and confront them as best we can. I realise positive thinking helps in any endeavour but we are facing some terrible realities which will not solve themselves or go away.
AriG
14th June 2014, 15:37
More Pathways to Progress
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/jimolsen2/sunrise-2_zps870d80a3.jpg
Guy Fox's suggestions:
==
+ Detach from the Globalists: Grow locally, off-grid, outside the Matrix where possible
This means: reduce debt to zero, with minimal reliance on "their" energy, food & handouts.
Strategic example: moving to a small town, and living without a car
+ Defund the Mainstream Media
Turn off TV and cable, stop buying "their" newspapers and mass entertainment
(Forget about their bread and circuses: ie big league sports, popular entertainment)
+ Don't waste your vote on the Du-opoly of the two main parties
The Republicans and Democrats are the right and left hands of a single puppetmaster.
In all likelihood, no one rises in either party, unless they are thoroughly compromised.
Stop supporting either, and seeek true independents.
+ Live and lead, by example
Be the change that you are asking for, and let others see you are living differently,
and thriving in ways that matter (ie Chris Martensen, Brian Oleary, for instance)
+ Get smart, and seek community with those who are aware
Seek out others who have woken up, and with who you can build a new community,
based on more truth, and shared values
check. check. check. check and check. What are the next steps? (ok, so my house is clean. but this isn't just about me...)
yelik
14th June 2014, 15:49
It is up to each person to do as much as they can to remove the power from the elites. We know the main source of their power is money and the media, so that's what you aim for. Clearly if they start using any advanced technologies and tactics on the people that's a different problem. If they start beaming smart electromagnetic pulses at us then I'm not sure how to combat that, other than an aluminium foil hat, hehe.
GuyFox
14th June 2014, 16:36
More Pathways to Progress[/SIZE]
check. check. check. check and check. What are the next steps? (ok, so my house is clean. but this isn't just about me...)
We are seeing some real progress now, in news like this:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y8rwVyPkV4s/U5ZLpuAvbjI/AAAAAAAAAKs/p-5if2EMey8/s1600/newspaper%2BAD%2BRevenue%2B2013-600x423-794135.jpg
+ Viewing of mainstream media, and ad revenues, is falling fast
+ Prof David Brat beat Eric Cantor in a primary election this past week
Notice that none of us is talking about violence. That would set us back, not progress matters
spiritguide
14th June 2014, 16:38
So far their divide and conquer system of programming/indoctrination has been working and keeping us apart and at each others throats. This system must be destroyed for any meaningful positive change to take place. The mass illusion projected for belief is fear and it is used to keep us apart. We can work on ourselves 24/7 but it will not to unify truth and empathy among and between us. Billions of cells work harmoniously to keep us alive/well each day, why can't billions of humans do the same together? We can make the confines of our boxes comfortable or we can take down the walls and enjoy what the universe provides. IMHO
Would that be true sister/brother hood. Heart to heart....
Peace!
ghostrider
14th June 2014, 16:58
We can stop electing republicans and democrats , start building our own products , no more imports ... open the borders and let people move freely in a free country , let companies hire whomever they want as long as they pay taxes .. toss out EVERY stupid law , stop Every silly grant to study the habits of the fruit fly , go to a flat 10 percent tax ... only elect people that first demonstrate common sense , not large bank accounts and colledge degrees , we have enough lawyers, doctors , and professors in office who for 150 years are completely responsible for the state of affairs of the United States which in turn affects other countries ... close every oversea base , bring the troops home , let them fight crime not enforce laws on citizens ... government should use the same healthcare as the military ... government pay should be cut in half , 75 grand is plenty to live on is you have common sense ... schools should return to the parents ... What bothers us is Apathy , we have let our leaders run our world into the ground ...
spiritguide
14th June 2014, 17:15
Programmed systems...
Apathy -fear is used (don't get involved) I, mine, me
Sympathy -caring is used (help in all ways) We, ours, us
Right now our institutions are involved in which way the strongest? There is no synergy in apathy!
Peace!
Deega
14th June 2014, 19:07
Thanks GuyFox to opened up this Tread, challenging!
All the suggestions herein fit in well with existant Systems (World) of Societies, but, they are all within what all of us have observed through the years.
Suppose we want to Reversed the Systems we are in, what actions are needed, and what means do we have to implement these actions. We may think of a Revolution, but, we are too well off to take the risk of being killed or injured, and would our children take hold to do these actions, I'm not sure.
And if ever a Revolution was launched, and success result, what kind of organization do you put up. What is the means of exchange do we used, do we have organizations similar to bank that would harmonized the in and out of the Monetary Mass necessary to promote exchange and economic growth?, even if we want to devised another system of exchange, what would that be? One see that it ain't so an easy going to Reversed the actual system we are in.
As we all know, the Systems are dispersed in all the field (Education, Transport, Monetary, Social Services, etc.) of Society, so if you want to Reversed the actual Systems (Worldly), we have to plan actions in all the fields of Society, hmm!, that is a great challenge, how may we do this, our lifespan is approximately 80 years, is time on our side..?, I don't think so!
There could be a Cosmic Event that may changed ourselves alltogether, one where I see myself as working for the betterment of our fellow brothers and sisters! The philosophy behind this would be, "the betterment of my fellow brothers and sisters is my betterment". It's utopic but that the change we need to make to save Planet Earth. It ain't a popular one, are we ready to try this..? That would be my wish!
The best to everyone.
Milneman
14th June 2014, 19:10
.....or just move to Canada.
Deega
14th June 2014, 19:16
.....or just move to Canada.
Hmm!, if you take a look at the Charbonneau Commission in Quebec, it ain't any better!
And if similar studies were held accross Canada, we would be surprised of what comes out of what surrounds Politicians, Business, contracts to Municipalities, etc.
thunder24
14th June 2014, 19:25
.....or just move to Canada.
great joke, i almost chocked.....
Milneman
14th June 2014, 20:12
.....or just move to Canada.
great joke, i almost chocked.....
I'm glad SOMEONE caught that. ;)
GuyFox
14th June 2014, 22:52
Moving to Canada, or even to Hong Kong -
is running away from the problems.
If they are truly un-fixable, that makes sense.
Indeed, that was my attitude a few years ago - because people were asleep, and complacent, or apathetic
More folks seem to be waking up now - perhaps because the economy has gone from bad to worse.
There are already many good ideas on this thread - though some are contradictory.
What is needed next, is maybe a stronger focus on THIS part:
+ Get smart, and seek community with those who are aware
Seek out others who have woken up, and with who you can build a new community,
based on more truth, and shared values
I am especially interested in hearing how we can Build Communities through Project Avalon.
Dave has made a start by originating THIS thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72188-New-Earth-Nation-...-has-anyone-looked-into-this
There must be other good ideas out there !
amor
15th June 2014, 02:28
One helpful suggestion is to summerily outlaw the existence of Foundations, Corporations, the Income Tax leviathan, large funding required so that representatives can make themselves known to their electorate, outlaw lobbying, both the paid=off and the payer should immediately land in long jail terms. Government should start at the bottom of communities and work upward. The Rockefeller history of manipulation and control of everything from law, lawmakers, business, industry, health and population control should cease with the guillotine.
GuyFox
15th June 2014, 02:39
In that regard,
A short summary of why this matters - just a quick paragraph or two,
might help.
GuyFox
15th June 2014, 02:45
New idea:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72221-The-AVALON-CAFE-a-new-Skype-Room
The AVALON CAFE - a new Skype Room ?
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/jimolsen2/Globe30C_zps9cfca6e6.jpg (http://s273.photobucket.com/user/jimolsen2/media/Globe30C_zps9cfca6e6.jpg.html)
Be the change, Make the change - thru Community
Now I want to take this online - through Skype.
How would this work - here's my basic idea:
+ All interested parties join a new Skype room : maybe called: AVALON CAFE
+ Voice chats, once a week, aiming for 6-12 call participants (more later)
+ Rotating hosts, amongst a core group of probably 3-6 "Talk Hosts"
+ Topics chosen and pre-identified on a thread (here?)
+ Participants, to join, prepared to discuss one idea: in 1-2 minute summary
+ Some calls may be recorded and posted on Youtube
+ Initially maybe on my channel: xx
+ Later, we may have our won channel
+ Eventually we may ask guests to Join
WHAT DO YOU THINK? Is this a viable idea.
POST COMMENTS here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72221-The-AVALON-CAFE-a-new-Skype-Room
thunder24
15th June 2014, 03:45
this already happens
GuyFox
15th June 2014, 03:51
More Pathways to Progress
Guy Fox's suggestions:
==
+ Defund the Mainstream Media
Turn off TV and cable, stop buying "their" newspapers and mass entertainment
(Forget about their bread and circuses: ie big league sports, popular entertainment)
PORN is part of the plot - it weakens resistance to the Cabal
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/this-is-what-happens-when-young-men-are-taught-that-scoring-with-women-is-the-ultimate-goal-in-life
This Is What Happens When Young Men Are Taught That Scoring With Women Is The Ultimate Goal In Life
Elliot Rodger is a horrifying example of how badly we have failed young men in America. You see, the truth is that his obsession with sex and losing his virginity did not come out of nowhere. Rather, it was the result of being constantly immersed in a sex-obsessed culture for the past 22 years. In America today, our young men are constantly being bombarded with sexual messages in advertising, in television shows, in video games, in movies and on the Internet.
PUT A FORK IN IT !
Reject this cultural cul-de-sac !
It leads nowhere, but to perdition.
wnlight
15th June 2014, 05:51
From your list (thank you, Guy Fox) I vote for a combination of (1) Fighting dark energies with Love and (2) Shed Light on the secrets - No "hidden hands". I do not like the "White Hat secret society approach" because it can be too easily infiltrated and manipulated.
I look at ghostrider's list and sigh. It's a good list except for the missing abolishment of the Federal Reserve Bank. However, not one of the items on the list can be accomplished vie the ballot box. The dark powers control our ballots and our legislatures and our police. I sigh and think that maybe Thomas Jefferson's idea of frequent revolutions is right. But I am not a violent person, so I stand with my original choices.
All we need is love -- and light.
GuyFox
15th June 2014, 06:17
Thanks, WN-Light
Like you, I believe things have not reached the point where we can only succeed through a rival secret society. And I think you are right, that such an organisation might be quickly and easily co-opted by the existing power structure. (I cannot forget David Icke's observation: "The lie is different at every level." - so you might think you are working for the good of your fellow man, and discover later the organisation is being subverted by secret and corrupt leadership.)
I think it was Catherine Austin-Fitts, who said that "Sunlight is a wonderful disinfectant", and only through greater transparency can we free ourselves from the clutches of the secret cabal(s).
I want to avoid violence, since violent acts can be used as an excuse to clamp down on those who are fighting for their freedom. And if people are angry enough, a mob can be easily tricked into violent acts. (Maybe you heard Ole Dammegard talk about (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZLpySUthyA) how he saw the risk of this during recent Bilderberg meeting in Copenhagen. By exposing the possible plot early, he may have prevent the trouble.)
GuyFox
15th June 2014, 06:32
...what kind of organization do you put up. What is the means of exchange do we used, do we have organizations similar to bank that would harmonized the in and out of the Monetary Mass necessary to promote exchange and economic growth?, even if we want to devised another system of exchange, what would that be? One see that it ain't so an easy going to Reversed the actual system we are in.
As we all know, the Systems are dispersed in all the field (Education, Transport, Monetary, Social Services, etc.) of Society, so if you want to Reversed the actual Systems (Worldly), we have to plan actions in all the fields of Society, hmm!, that is a great challenge, how may we do this, our lifespan is approximately 80 years, is time on our side..?, I don't think so!.
We need not always think of the Big, Big Picture.
Sometimes we can be effective just by attacking a smaller problem, and fixing that - to demonstrate to neighbors and local people that you have the ability to improve the quality of life within your community.
One of my hot buttons is Cars - and especially in the USA.
I think America is FAR TOO CAR DEPENDENT. On one of my most radical days of thinking about this problem, I might say something like:
"If you see someone moving by you in an automobile, keep in mind: He/she is a thief, stealing limited resources from your children and grandchildren... and the people of this planet."
This point of view is probably too radical for most here, but I wanted to expose you to it, since some people outside the USA do think this way, and are not happy to see per capita US gasoline consumption in the US at 3X that of Europe, and almost 10X the average in China. A day may come when you hear more radical opinions, even stronger than the one I have just expressed. But let's avoid a debate from this extreme-sounding point of view - and stick with something simpler, and less controversial...
Here's a good podcast, where Chuck Marohn of StrongTowns.org interviews a sensible woman who is running pedestrian advocacy group:
http://peds.org/wp-content/uploads/Speakup.jpg
Show 177: Sally Flocks from PEDS
MP3 : http://www.strongtowns.org/strong-towns-podcast/2014/6/12/show-177-sally-flocks-from-peds.html
Sally Flocks of the Atlanta-based pedestrian advocacy group PEDS joins the podcast this week to talk about Atlanta, pedestrian advocacy and strategies for making places more walkable.
There's a wonderful segment at about XX minutes in, where Chuck spoke about how he had installed cones and flags to make a pedestrian crossing safer. And some city official told him: "You are going to have to take those signs down, since there may be safety issues." WHAT? It seems that some see anything that slows traffic as a crime. And almost no one in car-addicted US cities and towns is looking after the safety needs of pedestrians and cyclists.
We can change that, by working within our own local communities - as Sally Flocks has done. And as people walk and cycle more, and rid themselves of (expensive) cars, people become less dependent on the energy globalists, and less attached to the endless war economy. (Remember what VP Cheney once said:: "The US lifestyle is non-negotiable." The conceit and arrogance of this statement - coming from a man who a big beneficiary of resource wars all his life, should have made clear what an enemy he was to the cause of ordinary people on our planet.)
Battling these "smaller" causes at a local level, and winning over your neighbors to positive change is a great way to begin to change the world, and make your community less dependent on the global villains that are manipulating us all.
Deega
15th June 2014, 13:29
...what kind of organization do you put up. What is the means of exchange do we used, do we have organizations similar to bank that would harmonized the in and out of the Monetary Mass necessary to promote exchange and economic growth?, even if we want to devised another system of exchange, what would that be? One see that it ain't so an easy going to Reversed the actual system we are in.
As we all know, the Systems are dispersed in all the field (Education, Transport, Monetary, Social Services, etc.) of Society, so if you want to Reversed the actual Systems (Worldly), we have to plan actions in all the fields of Society, hmm!, that is a great challenge, how may we do this, our lifespan is approximately 80 years, is time on our side..?, I don't think so!.
We need not always think of the Big, Big Picture.
Sometimes we can be effective just by attacking a smaller problem, and fixing that - to demonstrate to neighbors and local people that you have the ability to improve the quality of life within your community.
One of my hot buttons is Cars - and especially in the USA.
I think America is FAR TOO CAR DEPENDENT. On one of my most radical days of thinking about this problem, I might say something like:
"If you see someone moving by you in an automobile, keep in mind: He/she is a thief, stealing limited resources from your children and grandchildren... and the people of this planet."
This point of view is probably too radical for most here, but I wanted to expose you to it, since some people outside the USA do think this way, and are not happy to see per capita US gasoline consumption in the US at 3X that of Europe, and almost 10X the average in China. A day may come when you hear more radical opinions, even stronger than the one I have just expressed. But let's avoid a debate from this extreme-sounding point of view - and stick with something simpler, and less controversial...
Here's a good podcast, where Chuck Marohn of StrongTowns.org interviews a sensible woman who is running pedestrian advocacy group:
http://peds.org/wp-content/uploads/Speakup.jpg
Show 177: Sally Flocks from PEDS
MP3 : http://www.strongtowns.org/strong-towns-podcast/2014/6/12/show-177-sally-flocks-from-peds.html
Sally Flocks of the Atlanta-based pedestrian advocacy group PEDS joins the podcast this week to talk about Atlanta, pedestrian advocacy and strategies for making places more walkable.
There's a wonderful segment at about XX minutes in, where Chuck spoke about how he had installed cones and flags to make a pedestrian crossing safer. And some city official told him: "You are going to have to take those signs down, since there may be safety issues." WHAT? It seems that some see anything that slows traffic as a crime. And almost no one in car-addicted US cities and towns is looking after the safety needs of pedestrians and cyclists.
We can change that, by working within our own local communities - as Sally Flocks has done. And as people walk and cycle more, and rid themselves of (expensive) cars, people become less dependent on the energy globalists, and less attached to the endless war economy. (Remember what VP Cheney once said:: "The US lifestyle is non-negotiable." The conceit and arrogance of this statement - coming from a man who a big beneficiary of resource wars all his life, should have made clear what an enemy he was to the cause of ordinary people on our planet.)
Battling these "smaller" causes at a local level, and winning over your neighbors to positive change is a great way to begin to change the world, and make your community less dependent on the global villains that are manipulating us all.
Thanks GuyFox, keep it going, hope that other members will push with you. Here's a comments paraphrasing on "Americain too car dependent, that owners are using the ressources of the Future", as we know, we are in a deep down rooted Corporate Society where "profit" is the motivator to success (materiality, surely not spirituality).
Our Government (Canada at least) used different means to programmed us to Consumerism, that we will find satisfaction in acquiring material things, as we know, it's the opposite. From their perspective, the more we consume, the more we get indebt, the more banks are happy, more natural resssources are needed, and the cycle never end! But this process get people working, buying, saving, the economic process if you will.
Unfortunately, we are all part of that, how may we bring a "brake" to this ever going Consumerism? The Elite will do whatever it takes to break the brake. But, we shouldn't stand there and let it be, we should do something about it, many have tried here, and it sure give ideas to members and guest! What come out of it, is more information, and it may lead to demonstration, petition, contestation, the like! These take time to influence, but what is the alternative?
The best to you!
sirdipswitch
15th June 2014, 14:02
pages, pages, and more pages, of meaningfull discussion, by some astoundingly intelegent individuals, into most of the problems we face here in the U.S. of A., and not ONE, viable plan of action to "right", this Nation. hmm. ccc.
Certainly I have a plan. That I came up with more than 30 years ago. And is "still", the only thing that "would" straighten out this nation. No, I will not discuss it in this venue. For it was in fact so good as to recieve "warning" by the fbi... to cease and desist, (which we did)... or my Family Tree... would disapear. I have a very large Family Tree... I ceased. I will not go that route again, as y'all, are tryin to do.
However, I do now have a new plan, (underway) do to some newly "aquired" abilities, that will enable me to do so "safely for all", and quite peacefully... also. cc.
GuyFox
15th June 2014, 14:21
Excuse me, Sir Dip...
I think these plans are all practical - and address the change needed at different levels, and in different ways.
So I do not "get" what you are saying.
sirdipswitch
15th June 2014, 17:15
I would agree, however, nothing comes of any of this, for everything discussed here, has already been done many times over, and always gets thrown under the table, by the powers that be, (yes be, not were, and are doing just fine, with their plans) by and through their media control, and everything gets labeled as a nuther bunch of wacos', with some conspiracy theory.
But then of course perhaps, if you were to come home and help, that just might make all the difrnce we need.
I was threatened, but I didn't run, I just backed up, settled in for the long haul, and am still here, and yes very much again in this game.
aheb
15th June 2014, 19:47
I find this a difficult situation having talked to family and loved ones who still think that I am some sort of Conspiracy theorist. I deal with it as best as I can. For a start I pick my fights, I can argue about the fractional reserve banking system, the huge debts etc and how the federal reserve and the bank of england conive in crooked dealings. I can talk logically about it, citing many examples such as how the name Goldman Sachs crops up so many times. Why are the heads of all the central banks ex GS employees for starters?
There are other things as well 9/11 for example but I must admit that until I saw the documentary 7/7 the ripple effect, I didn't believe that 7/7 was a put up job whereas now I do. That gives me hope because I was turned by that one documentary and hopefully I can show others, just by speaking as often as I can. People, even on Avalon , need to break away from right left paradigm
because we have never really had that and the parties don't represent that.
I have also started to buy Gold and Silver, not to make money, just because I am s disgusted with the banking system that I want no part of it, and this is one way of doing that.
So basically my solution is to talk long and often to the unbelievers , the sheeple, and to lead by example.....and to be very,very forgiving, because I am still 90% sheeple myself lol
GuyFox
15th June 2014, 20:56
I would agree, however, nothing comes of any of this, for everything discussed here, has already been done many times over, and always gets thrown under the table, by the powers that be, (yes be, not were, and are doing just fine, with their plans) by and through their media control, and everything gets labeled as a nuther bunch of wacos', with some conspiracy theory.
But then of course perhaps, if you were to come home and help, that just might make all the difrnce we need.
I was threatened, but I didn't run, I just backed up, settled in for the long haul, and am still here, and yes very much again in this game.
That is not so!
+ Eric Cantor (cabalist extraordinaire), has just be thrown out, defeated in the polls
+ The mainstream media is fading fast
+ 9/11 Truth data is flowing out, as the Russians "daylight" their intelligence
+ Israel looks like it has been "thrown under the bus", as the Intel Cowboys deliver payback for 9/11 crimes
+ (In a smaller way): Pedestrian crossings are coming to Atlanta, as Pedestrian activists win
These are only a few of the victories that I have mentioned on this, and related threads.
There are many more - But the main one is the Awakening going on everywhere
GuyFox
15th June 2014, 21:00
I find this a difficult situation having talked to family and loved ones who still think that I am some sort of Conspiracy theorist. I deal with it as best as I can. For a start I pick my fights, I can argue about the fractional reserve banking system, the huge debts etc and how the federal reserve and the bank of england conive in crooked dealings. I can talk logically about it, citing many examples such as how the name Goldman Sachs crops up so many times. Why are the heads of all the central banks ex GS employees for starters?
There are other things as well 9/11 for example but I must admit that until I saw the documentary 7/7 the ripple effect, I didn't believe that 7/7 was a put up job whereas now I do. That gives me hope because I was turned by that one documentary and hopefully I can show others, just by speaking as often as I can. People, even on Avalon , need to break away from right left paradigm
because we have never really had that and the parties don't represent that.
I have also started to buy Gold and Silver, not to make money, just because I am s disgusted with the banking system that I want no part of it, and this is one way of doing that.
So basically my solution is to talk long and often to the unbelievers , the sheeple, and to lead by example.....and to be very,very forgiving, because I am still 90% sheeple myself lol
Yes, it is frustrating sometimes.
People awaken, one person at a time.
Try and find a few others around you who are "awake and aware", and meet with them from time to time, and even once a week if you can - and you will feel better. Share stories when you meet, about how you have seen people wake up, and what it takes.
I am frustrated too - I expected a better response to the Avalon Cafe idea :
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72221-The-AVALON-CAFE-a-new-Skype-Room&p=844425#post844425
But at least there may be enough interest to kick it off.
wnlight
15th June 2014, 21:07
Still 90% sheeple myself, I frequently find a long-held belief suddenly scuttled by some new (to me) revelation of truth. If you take a look at my web site at www.light.ec, you will see why my family and friends think of me as a conspiracy theory nut. I have been threatened since I moved away to Ecuador, but I do not think of it as running away because this is a world problem that we are up against. I just feel more comfortable here in Ecuador. Also, there are more like minded people here. I cannot have a dinner conversation with US expats without the subject coming up: "What's wrong with America? I feel so bad for them." And so on ...
I worry about my two boys, and my granddaughters. Times will be much harder before they get any better. I cry for the USA that I grew up in - a country that no longer exists. However, as I have written before, I will not move back until it is once again "the land of the free and the home of the brave."
GuyFox
15th June 2014, 21:22
I understand completely, WN
I left the US from 1980-1984 --- and then moved back for a few years: 1991-1994-
The country had already changed somewhat.
I lived in Chicago, and was struck about how people liked to talk about: sports, sports, and sports.
I used to start arguments, just to get onto something different, but that did not work so well.
I then moved to London, where it took some year to develop a circle of friends who could discuss some important issues.
Here in HK, there are a tiny number who are happy to discuss the whole range of issues. The number is growing, but very slowly, it seems.
I wind up spend much time online (probably too much time), to find a community where the sort of issues we tackle here, CAN be discussed
Valley
16th June 2014, 21:29
A beautifully crafted, and responded to thread... this is exactly what we can do right here on PA... to continue gathering, sifting through, and synthesising information... then presenting our findings to the Group and continue "hashing out" what is most influential and productive.
Another way I see we can make this process more successful here is to keep hitting that little "Thank You" Button... as much as we may not agree with using it... it encourages others to keep responding as a thread starts slowing down. It also shows others new to a thread that there are still plenty of "thank you's" to go around, and they can still keep their "thank you" stats up at respectable levels... silly, but it does seem that many here are still so concerned with this... mainly, I think, because those TY stats appear right next to their name on every post they make. I think those stats should only appear on a persons Profile page... that way it also won't be there to "distract" us from our important and intuitive trains of thought.
It seems that really good threads are "given up" on far too easily, when they could continue to make major headway. Just two people "hanging in" on a thread can produce untold fruits... and should be encouraged... especially if the thread is still getting healthy visits per day/week/new post.
Patience with the process is also a major factor to help insure "success"... this is a big undertaking to "turn the tides of the public eyes" and we need to insure that we keep charging ahead, and not get discouraged by little "set-backs". We need to stay as positive and motivated as possible, so that momentum is maintained... which can be greatly enhanced using creative and humorous means... so that "burn-out" never becomes a factor.
I really like the group Skype conferencing idea and will now look further into that.
Thank you All for engaging... :)
Blessings...
PS... My phone started acting up and made me lose 2 lengthy postings I was working on... thus, the delay here.
Iarmhéid
21st August 2014, 21:26
For me the great work is done in the light. No secrets. Though this may be easier said than done. I can imagine certain scenarios where such brevity may be a fools courage? In today's world however, we are more effective working in the light I believe. Our strength is in our numbers. When we are more visible we inspire courage in others.
Sean
22nd August 2014, 03:16
It seems to me that a lot of the solutions talked about in this thread are 3-d reality solutions.The attacks on humanity, I believe are based in the ASTRAL. I think it's there that the fight can be won. Several times, when there's been a particularly bad world event, during my meditations, I 'project" my consciousness to above earth. I then BLAST earth with light, sometimes focusing on the geographical area of whatever event precipitated this particular meditation, sometimes just the entire planet. Use your creativity re: your visualizations, but my intent has always been to beat back darkness. I wonder if everyone, those with the awareness to try, did something similar, what the effect would be?
I learned, years ago, that we are literally(we being all of humanity) under attack all the time. 24-7-365. they don't stop, and neither should those who want to attack/defend. there are groups that are already organized to do this, but I'd encourage everyone to form their own "team". No structure, or hierarchy. Just people with like minds acting independently to astrally defend humanity, and attack when necessary.
Basically we need to be astral Ninja/Jedi.
The actions in 3-D are important as well. sure, don't feed the beast. use alternate currencies like bitcoin instead of USD. stay out of the politics. Confront hatred with love in your daily life..but when you meditate..or astral travel..or remote view..take some time to engage the enemy. just my thoughts..
Rosieposie
22nd August 2014, 04:09
Overcoming the scope of the issues faced on Earth at the moment is a mammoth task, we are well and truly late to the ball game when it comes to understanding the complexity and comprehending the depths of the issues faced purely due to lack of available information up until this such time and the general frequency and level of complexity of peoples thought patterns. I don't really see any way to out gun those in power to make change, they have the board covered. And the bulk of the population is not there yet in terms of their personal development, if we could change that we could solve our problems but this is a realm of free choice and you can show someone a path but it's up to them to walk down it.
The important thing to remember is that we are stepping stones on a chain of evolution, time is more than just our life times, what we do in this life might completely change the life potentials for billions of others spanning hundreds of thousands of years into the future. You don't know what important comment or act you might do that might influence a long term different time line, to be honest I think the greatest acts of change to the picture as a whole is actually just being here and being you and experiencing yourself. Special potentials lay in particular to parents who are "awakening" as the frequencies you experience pass on to your children and thus the act of genetic evolution takes place (hence perhaps why those certain annoying bloodlines have interest in tracking everyones dna).
There is perhaps a growing underlying sense of urgency currently, the sense that we are heading towards a cliffside following a crowd and some part of the consciousness is yelling "ABORT ABORT THIS IS THE WRONG WAY!". Well it's right we are heading off a bad cliff, and the problems are frigging massive, and we probably can't save it or stop the momentum of the weight of several hundred years of bad decisions sliding off, it is common sense though you can't sow death and reap anything but death. What we can do is knuckle down, build communities and recognizing that bad things are usually complicated and have short lives and good things are usually complicated in depth and simple on surface and outlive evil things. So even though most people don't yet comprehend what is occurring, good people always appreciate the wealth of nature and kindness, and if everyone who is awakened works at reconnecting and grounding into the beauty of life and creating a life that mimics the goodness of their own hearts and the need of the self to be free and independent and then works to create opportunities for others then perhaps we can do as good things do and grow something beautiful for our future.
I tend not to worry about the problems we face, the system is totally dead, when the land dies so will the civilizations who live on it, we simply have to get out of it's death processes, educate ourselves (think permaculture, green woodworking etc), create a new way of being be part of a birth not the death. Remember nature endures, it is the strength that you must unite too, you must choose a different path to that being offered.
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