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dianna
15th June 2014, 21:25
It's almost disturbing how much I love hot peppers. The balcony garden of my condo is full of all different kinds of the little fcukers! I am now growing "ghost chilies" which I began experimenting with in my sauces last year. I eat almost nothing anymore that doesn't include them in some form, whether fresh, dried, sauced (mostly my own creations/experiments). I did not grow up this way (the hottest thing in my childhood was a bottle of Tabasco, which may as well be vinegar water to me at this point). So I was delighted to find out there is an actual name for this obsession for heat: "Benign Masochism"

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/thoughtful-animal/files/2011/11/chili-peppers-e1322524929464.jpg

Pleasure in Pain of Chilies
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/21/science/21peppers.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


Some experts argue that we like chilies because they are good for us. They can help lower blood pressure, may have some antimicrobial effects, and they increase salivation, which is good if you eat a boring diet based on one bland staple crop like corn or rice. The pain of chilies can even kill other pain, a concept supported by recent research.

Others, notably Dr. Paul Rozin at the University of Pennsylvania, argue that the beneficial effects are too small to explain the great human love of chili-spiced food. “I don’t think they have anything to do with why people eat and like it,” he said in an interview. Dr. Rozin, who studies other human emotions and likes and dislikes thinks that we’re in it for the pain. “This is a theory,” he emphasizes. “I don’t know that this is true.”

But he has evidence for what he calls benign masochism. For example, he tested chili eaters by gradually increasing the pain, or, as the pros call it, the pungency, of the food, right up to the point at which the subjects said they just could not go further. When asked after the test what level of heat they liked the best, they chose the highest level they could stand, “just below the level of unbearable pain.” As Delbert McClinton sings (about a different line of research), “It felt so good to hurt so bad.”


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Habaneros are very hot, although there’s a lot of variation. On the standard Scoville heat scale (Bell peppers 0, the hottest Indian jolokia [ghost] peppers 1,000,000) orange habaneros run 100,000 to 350,000. By comparison, jalapenos can go anywhere from 5,000 to 50,000. Two percent capsaicin bear spray is advertised at 3.3 million units, and pure capsaicin — the chemical that causes the pain — hits 16 million.


The fact that capsaicin causes pain to mammals seems to be accidental. There’s no evolutionary percentage in preventing animals from eating the peppers, which fall off the plant when ripe. Birds, which also eat fruits, don’t have the same biochemical pain pathway, so they don’t suffer at all from capsaicin. But in mammals it stimulates the very same pain receptors that respond to actual heat. Chili pungency is not technically a taste; it is the sensation of burning, mediated by the same mechanism that would let you know that someone had set your tongue on fire.

But humans took to them quickly. There is evidence that by 6,000 years ago domesticated Capsicums (hot peppers) were being used from the Bahamas to the Andes. Once Columbus brought them back from the New World chilies spread through Europe, Asia and Africa. Jean Andrews, in the classic “Peppers: The Domesticated Capsicums” (in which she made the comment above about pepper competitions and being burned at the stake), tracks the spread of peppers by early writers. By the mid-1500s, they were known in Europe, Africa, India and China.

No one knows for sure why humans would find pleasure in pain, but Dr. Rozin suggests that there’s a thrill, similar to the fun of riding a roller coaster. “Humans and only humans get to enjoy events that are innately negative, that produce emotions or feelings that we are programmed to avoid when we come to realize that they are actually not threats,” he said. “Mind over body. My body thinks I’m in trouble, but I know I’m not.” And it says, hand me another jalapeño.

Other mammals have not joined the party. “There is not a single animal that likes hot pepper,” Dr. Rozin said. Or as Paul Bloom, a Yale psychologist, puts it, “Philosophers have often looked for the defining feature of humans — language, rationality, culture and so on. I’d stick with this: Man is the only animal that likes Tabasco sauce.”

That’s from Dr. Bloom’s new book, “How Pleasure Works: The New Science of Why We Like What We Like,” in which he addresses the general nature of human pleasure, and some very specific, complicated pleasures. Some, like eating painfully spicy food, are accidental, at least in their specificity. A complicated mind is adaptive, but love of chilies is an accident.

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Take heart, chili heads. It’s not dumb to eat the fire, it’s a sign of high intelligence.

http://www.chilepepper.com/layoutimages/chileheader.png

On Capsaicin: Why Do We Love to Eat Hot Peppers?
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Humans, apparently, enjoy torturing themselves. Spiciness, after all, is not a flavour, not like sweet or salty or sour. Spicy means pain. The sensation of spiciness is the result of the activation of pain receptors in the tongue. According to psychologist Paul Rozin of the University of Pennsylvania, about a third of the people around the world eat hot peppers every single day. Why? Because they “love the burn”. At a symposium on gastro-psychology during this year’s Association for Psychological Science convention, Rozin pointed out that humans are the only species – we know about – that specifically seek out what would otherwise be considered negative events.

Healthy, sane humans do not stab themselves in the thighs, or bathe their eyes in lemon juice. So why do we so love to assault one of the most sensitive organs in the human body, the tongue, with what amounts to chemical warfare? Chillies are unique among foods that we should otherwise not enjoy. For example, humans also have natural aversions to the bitterness of coffee or the harshness of tobacco, but those substances have some addictive qualities, which might make them desirable. Capsaicin, the compound that provides the mouth-watering punch of chillies, does not seem to have any addictive qualities whatsoever. And yet the preference for capsaicin is almost universal; nearly every culture has incorporated it into their cuisine in some way, for milllennia.



“There are records suggesting use of chilli pepper dating back to 7000BC in Mesoamerica; they were domesticated some thousands of years after this. These fiery foods made their debut in the Old World when they were brought back by Columbus and other early explorers. In spite of their initial unpalatability, they became accepted as a basic part of the diet in many parts of the world: west and east Africa, India, south-east Asia, parts of China, Indonesia, Korea, and other smaller geographic regions, such as Hungary.”

DeDukshyn
15th June 2014, 22:30
I have read that the since the peppers trigger pain, the body will begin to react to that pain, by flooding the body with endorphins and natural pain reducing chemicals that can stimulate a small sense of euphoria. Since you body is not actually being hurt, one can likely notice this effect more as a sense of pleasure, that may otherwise be masked by the attention to an actual injury for example. Makes sense to me! I also very much enjoy eating hot peppers and foods -- in moderation though. ;)

dianna
15th June 2014, 23:19
D's Chilies

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=26083&d=1402874098

dianna
15th June 2014, 23:39
The beautiful man/photographer/partner that documents/helps me grow my chile obsession (amongst many other things … xxx)

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Mike Gorman
16th June 2014, 00:55
You seem to have the Chilli topic all covered - I remember reading a paper about the active compound that give Chillies their sting and it said
it is a quite potent narcotic and it produces an effect not unlike an Opiate. There is a type of Parrot that has an addiction to Chillies in South America
they visit the plants and nibble the chillies all day long. Back in the 80's I had a thing for pickled Jalapeno and after a good feed of these i would feel spaced
and dreamy. so i think there is something to this, a cheap Narcotic that is very tasty!

Gardener
16th June 2014, 02:01
Being another chili lover I can realate to the above possibilities. I can recall on occasion feeling quite down snd depressed and the idea of a prawn madras nice n hot would occcur to me. There is something to these ideas as an improvement in mood would often follow.

Interesting find Dianna thank you.

aheb
16th June 2014, 07:59
I'm a chillihead myself, I love the hot stuff....here's a clip that makes me laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raqlt1tDZMA

sirdipswitch
16th June 2014, 16:17
Waytogo dianna!!!

me tooo, me tooo, me tooo... but, don't do the ghost pepper thingy though. chuckle chuckle. I keep a bottle of cayenne on my table, right alongside the black pepper and salt. Use some mustard and other sauces with hobanero. Food just don't seem right, without a little fire!! Right?? ccc.

Cool vid, aheb, got a good chuckle outta that one, and it leads to many more like it. Awhile back, I did that to a friend who is quite the "blowhard" at times, over some things, and he was over for dinner. I set my bottle of hobanero hot sauce on the table, and then sprinkled just few drops, with a big "show" just for him to catch, and just set it back down. He grabbed it, and I told him: "That stuff is really hot!!!" He lol'ed at me and poured in on like Ketchup, (like I knew he would. cc.) He did the very same as the kid in your video, but at least he headed for the bathroom to get rid of it. Good thing we made enough food for him to refill his plate! chuckle chuckle chuckle.

Forevernyt
16th June 2014, 17:04
Might I suggest you give the Trinidad Moruga Scorpion Pepper a try? This has got to be the hottest pepper in creation. I had a taste of it's puree once. It burned in my mouth for almost 20 minutes. Nothing I tried would relieve the heat.

Never again.

dianna
16th June 2014, 20:27
Waytogo dianna!!!

me tooo, me tooo, me tooo... but, don't do the ghost pepper thingy though. chuckle chuckle.

LOL, too late! … actually had ghost chill today!!

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Might I suggest you give the Trinidad Moruga Scorpion Pepper a try? This has got to be the hottest pepper in creation. I had a taste of it's puree once. It burned in my mouth for almost 20 minutes. Nothing I tried would relieve the heat.

Never again.

LOL, meow!!

Trinidad Moruga Scorpion, take a bow
http://www.shortlist.com/home/new-worlds-hottest-pepper

http://cdn.shortlist.com/resource/cache/binary/ead056168fb323807bf4880a3f07f667/615x330_chile.jpg?m=1329493021


There are super-hot chile varieties. And then there's the sweat-inducing, tear-generating, mouth-on-fire Trinidad Moruga Scorpion.

With a name like that, it's not surprising that months of research by the experts at New Mexico State University's Chile Pepper Institute have identified the variety as the new hottest pepper on the planet.

The golf ball-sized pepper scored the highest among a handful of chile breeds reputed to be among the hottest in the world. Its mean heat topped more than 1.2 million units on the Scoville heat scale, while fruits from some individual plants reached 2 million heat units.

"You take a bite. It doesn't seem so bad, and then it builds and it builds and it builds. So it is quite nasty," Paul Bosland, a renowned pepper expert and director of the chile institute, said of the pepper's heat.

Researchers were pushed by hot sauce makers, seed producers and others in the spicy foods industry to establish the average heat levels for super-hot varieties in an effort to quash unscientific claims of which peppers are actually the hottest.

That's something that hadn't been done before, Bosland said.

"The question was, could the Chile Pepper Institute establish the benchmark for chile heat?" he said. "Chile heat is a complex thing, and the industry doesn't like to base it on just a single fruit that's a record holder. It's too variable." The academic institute is based at the university's agriculture school and is partially funded by federal grants, as well as some industry groups depending on the project.

The team planted about 125 plants of each variety — the Trinidad Moruga Scorpion, the Trinidad Scorpion, the 7-pot, the Chocolate 7-pot and the Bhut Jolokia, which was a previous record-holder identified by the institute and certified by Guinness World Records in 2007.

Randomly selected mature fruits from several plants within each variety were harvested, dried and ground to powder. The compounds that produce heat sensation — the capsaicinoids — were then extracted and examined.

During harvesting, senior research specialist Danise Coon said she and the two students who were picking the peppers went through about four pairs of latex gloves.

"The capsaicin kept penetrating the latex and soaking into the skin on our hands. That has never happened to me before," she said.

Chile peppers of the same variety can vary in heat depending on environmental conditions. More stress on a plant — hotter temperatures or less water, for example — will result in hotter fruit.

The Trinidad Moruga Scorpion's new notoriety is already making waves in the industry and among those who love their hot, spicy foods.

"As with all the previous record holders, there will be a run on seeds and plants," said Jim Duffy, a grower in San Diego who supplied the university with seeds for four of the super-hot varieties. "Like Cabbage Patch dolls right before Christmas or Beanie Babies, it's like the hot item."

Not even Duffy or the researchers would dare to pop a whole Trinidad Moruga Scorpion in their mouths, but there are plenty of videos on social networking sites where heat-loving daredevils have tried.

The blood flow increases and the endorphins start flowing. Their faces turn red, the sweat starts rolling, their eyes and noses water and there's a fiery sensation that spreads across their tongues and down their throats.

"People actually get a crack-like rush," Duffy said. "I know the people who will eat the hottest stuff to get this rush, but they've got to go through the pain."

Pepper experts said there are a handful of people who are crazy enough to subject themselves to the pain, but the rest just want to try out these super-hot peppers on their friends or make killer hot sauce — and it doesn't take a whole pepper to do that.

More bang for the buck is how Bosland describes it. He said a family could buy two of the super-hot peppers to flavor their meals for an entire week.

The beauty of the peppers is they're not only the hottest in the world, but they're also some of the most flavorful peppers, Duffy said.

"You can make a barbeque sauce or a hot sauce at a mild to medium level using small amounts of these peppers and it will be so darn addictive that you won't want to put your spoon down," he said. "You'll want to eat and eat and eat."

ulli
16th June 2014, 21:35
Might I suggest you give the Trinidad Moruga Scorpion Pepper a try? This has got to be the hottest pepper in creation. I had a taste of it's puree once. It burned in my mouth for almost 20 minutes. Nothing I tried would relieve the heat.

Never again.

Don't listen to he, ya hear??
The best sauce is never to be found in Trindad;
it comes from beautiful Barbados!!!!!

http://www.bluemountainpeak.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1200x1200/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/u/aunt_may_s_bajan_pepper_sauce_340g.jpg

aheb
17th June 2014, 14:37
You can of course go one step further and have 16 million shu extract, which is now illegal in the UK, and I am glad about that because one drunken night I would be very tempted to try it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwn02qZn8vw&index=2&list=PL2823D65B98725E36

TargeT
17th June 2014, 15:39
I have read that the since the peppers trigger pain, the body will begin to react to that pain, by flooding the body with endorphins and natural pain reducing chemicals that can stimulate a small sense of euphoria. Since you body is not actually being hurt, one can likely notice this effect more as a sense of pleasure, that may otherwise be masked by the attention to an actual injury for example. Makes sense to me! I also very much enjoy eating hot peppers and foods -- in moderation though. ;)

yUP, Just another chemical that we enjoy.... we are a creature of chemicals,, endorphins are very addictive, that’s why we do crazy things like long distance running (bad for your body) that give the "runners high".

Basically we just seem to like getting chemically altered.


But......




Don't listen to he, ya hear??
The best sauce is never to be found in Trindad;
it comes from beautiful Barbados!!!!!



Lisin Here, ya check?

Dis be it me son, dis will heat you good!

https://i1.ytimg.com/vi/pXjKLMRerfw/hqdefault.jpg
https://www.smackason.com/st.-johns.html

DeDukshyn
17th June 2014, 21:41
I have read that the since the peppers trigger pain, the body will begin to react to that pain, by flooding the body with endorphins and natural pain reducing chemicals that can stimulate a small sense of euphoria. Since you body is not actually being hurt, one can likely notice this effect more as a sense of pleasure, that may otherwise be masked by the attention to an actual injury for example. Makes sense to me! I also very much enjoy eating hot peppers and foods -- in moderation though. ;)

yUP, Just another chemical that we enjoy.... we are a creature of chemicals,, endorphins are very addictive, that’s why we do crazy things like long distance running (bad for your body) that give the "runners high".

Basically we just seem to like getting chemically altered.


But......




Don't listen to he, ya hear??
The best sauce is never to be found in Trindad;
it comes from beautiful Barbados!!!!!



Lisin Here, ya check?

Dis be it me son, dis will heat you good!

https://i1.ytimg.com/vi/pXjKLMRerfw/hqdefault.jpg
https://www.smackason.com/st.-johns.html

Ghost pepper sauce?! Pain in a bottle! ;)

TargeT
18th June 2014, 15:54
Ghost pepper sauce?! Pain in a bottle! ;)

had some in a bloody mary... it was delicously painful... almost too much to continue drinking.

and I got to "enjoy" it twice... if you get what I mean... :P

DeDukshyn
19th June 2014, 23:09
Might I suggest you give the Trinidad Moruga Scorpion Pepper a try? This has got to be the hottest pepper in creation. I had a taste of it's puree once. It burned in my mouth for almost 20 minutes. Nothing I tried would relieve the heat.

Never again.

Check out the 7 pod brown pepper (closely related to scorpion peppers)! A little hotter yet I believe (but at this level, I imagine the majority of variation is per pepper). Here is someone trying to eat one. She does pretty good to start, but it looks like the pain blasted here out of her sense, lol.

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I got tricked into eating a habanero once. My ex (works in produce) came home with some cute little peppers and says to me, "We got these new mini sweet bell peppers in today, they taste fantastic!"

"They look like habaneros."

"They do a bit, don't they." she says.

Popped it right in chewed for about 5 seconds and realized I was had. Toughed it out and chewed 'er up though. Hot enough for me, lol. ;) Don't think I'll be eating ghost peppers or scorpion peppers or 7 pod peppers anytime soon, but who knows.

Chester
20th June 2014, 16:36
Best Ghost Pepper sauce I ever had. I go through one of these twice a month -

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and oddly, I had just finished the last drop of my last jar last night and had it out on my counter to remind me to buy another asap!

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seko
20th June 2014, 20:40
Some good advice from someone that eats a lot of chillies including Habaneros.....chillies are not to be eaten like the woman in the video, they are way better mixed with some other ingredients like in a freshly made salsa, to give flavour to the food you are eating.

Hahaha but I did enjoy seeing her, silly girl.:p



Might I suggest you give the Trinidad Moruga Scorpion Pepper a try? This has got to be the hottest pepper in creation. I had a taste of it's puree once. It burned in my mouth for almost 20 minutes. Nothing I tried would relieve the heat.

Never again.

Check out the 7 pod brown pepper (closely related to scorpion peppers)! A little hotter yet I believe (but at this level, I imagine the majority of variation is per pepper). Here is someone trying to eat one. She does pretty good to start, but it looks like the pain blasted here out of her sense, lol.

uJkoCCXrny4


I got tricked into eating a habanero once. My ex (works in produce) came home with some cute little peppers and says to me, "We got these new mini sweet bell peppers in today, they taste fantastic!"

"They look like habaneros."

"They do a bit, don't they." she says.

Popped it right in chewed for about 5 seconds and realized I was had. Toughed it out and chewed 'er up though. Hot enough for me, lol. ;) Don't think I'll be eating ghost peppers or scorpion peppers or 7 pod peppers anytime soon, but who knows.

dianna
24th July 2014, 22:13
Might I suggest you give the Trinidad Moruga Scorpion Pepper a try? This has got to be the hottest pepper in creation. I had a taste of it's puree once. It burned in my mouth for almost 20 minutes. Nothing I tried would relieve the heat.

Never again.

Just found two boxes of the Scorpions … SCORE!!
Am now actively planning what to do with them (I am thinking a "Texas Red" chili) … and will be serving them to my friends tonite … LOL … yikes!

http://iloveitspicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/scorpion.jpg

dianna
3rd August 2014, 22:35
A new creation today … chili candy … Ethelred hot!

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dianna
8th August 2014, 22:54
Experimental … mostly scotch bonnet and habenero chills … Ethelred's "no exit" syrup …

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DeDukshyn
9th August 2014, 01:41
Experimental … mostly scotch bonnet and habenero chills … Ethelred's "no exit" syrup …

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This sounds and looks awesome!


Which reminds me, I need to start looking for some more of this (below):

Excellent habanero meat sauce, great on ribs, chicken or steak, and hot but not deathly hot -- just about right for a steak / bbq sauce.

http://www.originaljuan.com/images/products/poplet/Batch%20114%20Jamaican%20Style%20HS_F02020027_LG.JPG

Antagenet
9th August 2014, 02:20
No animals like chilis? HA WRONG !! Both my Mexican chihuahuas love and beg for food that is chilied!

TargeT
9th August 2014, 03:29
This is one of my favorite "all around" sauces, use it for fresh made sandwitches, meat dishes, Bloody Marries, what have you....
http://www.hotsauce.com/v/vspfiles/photos/3545-2T.jpg
http://www.hotsauce.com/Pappy-s-Sauce-for-Sissies-BBQ-Sauce-p/3545.htm

Agape
9th August 2014, 18:10
I think it may work against Ebola, one bottle per patient .. just a feeling though ;)