POLL: Stay positive. Stay happy... Stay within the heart area."

[GuyFox]

POLL: Stay positive. Stay happy... Stay within the heart area."

Before Voting, please read my Statement BELOW*

POLL:
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+ Stay positive. Stay happy... Stay within the heart area."
+ Those with good intentions must always be supported
+ Listen with your heart - that's enough, the Heart knows
+ Seek a balance of Heart and Head, research and logic are necessary
+ Realize that shams and scams are very often wrapped in good intentions
+ Ignore pure feelings, learn the tools of Logic and use them as your primary approach
+ Be a whistleblower, defending the Truth against mere good intentions
+ None of the above statements reflects my views (please post comments)
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*Statement:

"Stay positive. Stay happy. Stay compassionate. Stay within the heart area."
...Is Bad Advice !

Nearly all of the pure "heart oriented" people I know, behave like complete Dupes.
They are easily manipulated by apparent good intentions.
And quickly GIVE IN rather than standing their ground.

Heart AND Head is best.
Staying connected to the heart, without losing the tools of Logic,
and remembering the importance of Doing one's own research.

I prefer those Warriors for Truth, who remain open minded, listening to others,
and being able to retain their compassion and sympathy... especially for the helpless,
while standing a defending the Truth and the Rights of others.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/jimolsen2/statue-of-liberty2_zps955f3375.jpg (http://s273.photobucket.com/user/jimolsen2/media/statue-of-liberty2_zps955f3375.jpg.html)

Where have they gone? We seem to have lost these compassionate defenders,
and are instead overwhelmed by: (sorry for the strong words - I am not intending to point at any individual here)

+ Greedy Service-to-Self "monsters", seeking power, and who want to Join the 1%,
OR:
+ "Love bunnies"/or "Spiritual Pacifists"*, who aim to be Service-to-Others (and often are demonstrating STO), but who also use and create reasons to NOT act; They rarely stand up to Defend what is being taken away

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*I added "Spiritual Pacifists" to encourage people to describe this way of thinking - see second half of post #41

The STS power elites, prefer the Love Bunnies, because they are soft, compliant,
and easily herded - perfect serfs in the Feudal world they are creating.

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/c5/83/38/c58338019044902817b03b4fa7e31809.jpg

Knights of the people, with the sword of Logic and the strength of purpose,
(keeping compassion for others alive in their hearts - even their enemies) are absolutely essential
- if the people are the remain free.

[RunningDeer]

Nearly all of the pure "heart oriented" people I know, behave like complete Dupes.
Dupie RunningDeer deleted comment.

[GuyFox]

Sorry to have lost your comment, Running Deer.
Yes! Strong words, fully intended to provoke some debate here.
(I said "dupe" because I have seen many folks who claim to be "heart centered" fall for one sham after another: OPPT, Swissindo, QEG? ... and they seem to be allergic to those who try to warn them with facts and logic.)

Feel free to disagree !

In fact, you may be Good Reason to disagree - there's more than one side to this discussion.

I shared my view, because I was concerned it might get lost or misunderstood, unless I put it out there, as a flag to salute, or Not.

Here's the Opposing View (from elsewhere) that I was reacting to in my OP:

> http://www.transients.info/2014/06/preparedness-and-time-restoration.html

"We are here but communication takes place between one individual to you. If there is information that I can not provide or answer then others can assist. We wanted to discuss preparedness for what is upcoming. Yes, we are on a ship in space just now. (I asked the question)

Life is a challenge for most of you, if not all of you at different times. Life is more so a challenge in these times, in this year, as the energies and the great changes continue to manifest since the restoration of the timeline originally took place.
. . .

...Social unrest and political unrest should be expected as well.
By being aware of these changes and why they are occurring will be enough for each individual, but it will also be of great help to be prepared mentally and spiritually which can be achieved in many ways.
. . .
Stay positive. Stay happy. Stay compassionate. Stay within the heart area.

...The perception of time is a unique and individualistic experience, as per each of you creating and manifesting your own realities for the growth of your higher selves. ...Becoming aware with your own individual truths is a first step and then following your life path with the assistance of those guiding you, and your intuition is the next.

Do not worry at all. Enjoy what you have here. While it seems like your experience is very... how should we say, mandatory, static, stuck in place and permanent because of your perceptions of time... You are a small part of a greater whole, and that greater whole experiences time very differently to you because of the location it exists and resides in.

We will end here and again wish peace, happiness and much love to you all."

I really wonder, and want to discuss how productive and "positive" this sort of attitude really is. (??)

I expect that there will be different approaches that will work well for different people. We do not have a "one size fits all" world.

[enfoldedblue]

Hmmm interesting question. Personally I believe that the heart is like a point that connects us to a wisdom and intelligence that exists beyond anything that the mind is capable of. The mind is an important tool and should not be denigrated, but I believe it functions best when guided by the heart.

HOWEVER, the problem is that in the majority of us the purity of our hearts is obscured by our fears. When unconscious fears block access to the true wisdom of our hearts...we can end up thinking we are operating from our hearts, but unfortunately end up actually operating in reaction to our fears...one of the most common manifestation of this is victim mentality.

Ironically in order to purify the heart energies we need to STOP always trying to be positive and actually look at the pain that stands in the way. By processing and releasing the accumulated pain and darkness we clear the energies that obscure the true wisdom of the heart.

[Sierra]

Nearly all of the pure "heart oriented" people I know, behave like complete Dupes.
Dupie RunningDeer deleted comment.

Bursting out laughing...

Kudos girl. :). That is one of the best lines I've ever read.

My apologies for this interruption. :)

Sierra :focus:

[GuyFox]

Very good, enfoldedblue.
I really like THIS part of your comment:

" Ironically in order to purify the heart energies we need to STOP always trying to be positive and actually look at the pain that stands in the way. By processing and releasing the accumulated pain and darkness we clear the energies that obscure the true wisdom of the heart."

Can you give an example of how this is happening in our world now?

BTW,
I don't mind Running Deer's comment.
But part of me says: "She has run away, and failed to engage the debate, and defend and elucidate her point of view."

I am not trying to put her into Fear - quite the contrary. I have seen her comment on many things, and always found them interesting and worthwhile.

Hey, Heart-centered folk, why not defend your positions?
By engaging here, not only will you get the value of your position across, you will also come to understand the Heart-and-Head position better too.

Do you really doubt that we need to stand up and defend what is being lost everyday? Unlike that channeller whom I quoted above, I do not think anyone is going to emerge from a spaceship ("Yes. I am in the ship now") and save us just because we have good intentions, and maintain a positive attitude.

[enfoldedblue]

Lol well, teacher, I will provide an example, I promise :) ....but right now I have to fly...solstice fires to prepare for...dishes to be done....

[GuyFox]

Thanks. And please do return.

This thread has potential to be a Great Bridge, if only people will engage it!

http://www.highestbridges.com/wiki/images/e/ea/5SidiMCidPostcard.jpg

(I promise to be gentle-ish. If I am not, Jake will likely appear to kick my butt (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72014-Gordon-Duff-Stuns-the-World-In-His-for-President-Expose/page6). Haha.
If you think I am assertive, click on that blue link, and see what punishment I have already absorbed. Is there anyone still posting here who has received a comment like that? I am still posting, because I believe in the power of discussion. And I am having a fruitful discussion with Jake by PM.)

[Nine]

Dearest Guy,

The New Age is full of channelers and spirtists and cultists and crooks and goof balls and mostly controlled by the 16 US spook agencies in my most humble opinion.

The Abrahamic religions are all augmented and controlled by governments and their spook agencies for control of the world and its people the dumbest of which are the Christian Zionists in America.

In my humble opinion there is real spirituality but it is not found in any of these venues and of course the nature of what truth is or is not is about facts that many "New Age" types like to ignore. As do the Christian Zionists ignore facts and truths and so now we have a country controlled and ruled by Zionist insane morons!

Here is a truth for the christo zios....the birth place of your Jesus has a 27 foot wall around it! And you are silent about it? WTF?

I will go further here while my thinking cap is on. Many folks here at Avalon seem to have a problem with truth. One truth is that those who rule in America and in the world have muscle behind what they do. They do things because they can.

I believe that the insiders are divided in great faction about how to rule and how to proceed and so we are seeing much information divulged at this time and so we live in frightening times and also wonderful times depending upon ones perspective.

The internet is so full of such bullsh@#t that it boggels the mind sometimes and wading through it all is difficult.

Well Guy in reguards to that mod here Mr. Jake I am going to remain silent about this fellow but one of my posts was heavily censored out of "love" or whatever...but...so what....

Well if some channeler has some bs in a post are we just supposed to accept it with out question and if one does challenge nonsenes and gets punished for it then maybe leaving this forum might be the best thing to do.

I am right on the edge about that one Guy fox....

Thanks for your post here...

Nine

[Shezbeth]

I've posted it several times before, but my opinion is best summarized/paraphrased by Niccolo Machiavelli:

"Any [person] who tries to be good all the time is certain to fall victim to the many who are not so foolish. A wise [person] must therefore be versed in how to be god or not be good as the situation demands."

Simply, one cannot have a preformed disposition and/or response, that it must be on a case by case basis as is appropriate and applicable to the particulars.

[Nine]

I need a lesson on avalons software...

dose not seem to work that good for me....

Nine

[Nine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke7QVF0paqc

This in my humble opinion is spirituality....

a very powerful video of what is going on in Palestine...

Nine

[GuyFox]

"I will go further here while my thinking cap is on. Many folks here at Avalon seem to have a problem with truth. One truth is that those who rule in America and in the world have muscle behind what they do. They do things because they can.

I believe that the insiders are divided in great faction about how to rule and how to proceed and so we are seeing much information divulged at this time and so we live in frightening times and also wonderful times depending upon ones perspective.

The internet is so full of such bullsh@#t that it boggels the mind sometimes and wading through it all is difficult."
- Nine

I agree.
It takes real courage to "talk truth to power". Because it is dangerous, and I applaud those brave whistleblowers who have done so.

It even takes some courage to "talk truth about power", which is what I am talking about here. I think TPTB have organised a subtle sort of brainwashing that makes helpful "police men and police woman" out of many New Agers. If you want to talk truth, then they will try to shut you down saying: "Don't say negative things." Or: "If you try to fight them, you just make them stronger." I cannot buy that. And perhaps it is a good time for a thread like this where we can talk about the dangers (to Freedom) of such (loving?) coping strategies.

I do even more strongly believe in the value of discussion, and open mindedness - and so I urge people to keep the chat going, whether you agree or disagree. We still have plenty we can learn from others.

For those that I have indelicately labelled as "Love Bunnies" (don't take the label onto yourself if it does not fit! I want to capture the "flluffy" appearance of some), but you might still ponder these two questions:

+ When and where do you 'draw the line' and decide you are being asked to surrender too much?
+ Once you draw the line, what does the pushback look like (from you)?

An honest answer may be very useful. And as I say, we can learn so much from each other. And to do that, we need to challenge others, while keeping the bridges open.

[Nine]

Dearest Guy...

Here is push back...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke7QVF0paqc


speaking truth to power is sucicidal....you know that...

Faction is what power is all about....

divide and rule....as it were...

Joining any faction will amount to being against the people someday...as it were...

I would luv to see no factions forming here on how to post...

How to keep the peace is any moderators nightmare....

I have no answers on how to look at things other than with a mind wide open...


Nine

[Nine]

I want to live in peace....

Some would say that I am indeed insane...and I guess I am alone on that issue...

the rise of any faction is not about the truth ....

When peace reigns one could ride a simple bicycle anywhere upon the planet....no...??

I have no answers upon such things....


I have posted to much...


Nine

[GuyFox]

Yeah, I like that WALL idea.

It is very symbolic - making a pretty strong message.
It must have needed some real coordination to make it happen.

Yes= Speaking Truth to Power IS Very Dangerous.
Gordon Duff says on THIS video, that VT has lost 8 of its contributers;

The Short End of the Stick with Mike Harris 2014 06 19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOOY_-9t8BQ

... presumably, they were suicided.
So maybe speaking Truth about power is the safer and sounder approach.
But the risk is not enough to turn me into a fluffy bunny.
Are people here so afraid?

[Nine]

Nearly all of the pure "heart oriented" people I know, behave like complete Dupes.
Dupie RunningDeer deleted comment.



Dearest Runningdeer,

I think that you should add your post...to the greater discussion....

I think that it would be highly relevant....

The "fox" is fearsome but some say he bites not at all.....


Nine

[Nine]

Yeah, I like that WALL idea.

It is very symbolic - making a pretty strong message.
It must have needed some real coordination to make it happen.

Yes= Speaking Truth to Power IS Very Dangerous.
Gordon Duff says on THIS video, that VT has lost 8 of its contributers;

The Short End of the Stick with Mike Harris 2014 06 19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOOY_-9t8BQ

... presumably, they were suicided.
So maybe speaking Truth about power is the safer and sounder approach.
But the risk is not enough to turn me into a fluffy bunny.
Are people here so afraid?


Dearest Guy...


You live in Aisa....


The wall is coming here....

what to do....

not a clue....


Nine

[Wind]

I use both my heart and (sharp) mind, but I prefer the heart because it knows more. The mind is a good tool, but also quite the fool.

[Fairy Friend]

I can answer yes or no to almost every one of these.
Yes, I believe in happy and positive but in reality it is No, its hard to do, I get frustrated and angry sometimes. Plus, I believe we are supposed to have all the emotions the good, bad and everything in between.

Yes I support people with good intentions but no not always. Sometimes the road to disaster is paved with good intentions.

Yes, I listen to my heart but No, its not a hundred percent accurate.

Yes I'm at my best when my heart and head are in alignment but that is not always the case either. Sometimes you need to see the big picture and sometimes you need to see the details, If the details don't match the big picture, then you need to rethink it. I wish I could say my heart and brain always match but again not 100%.

Yes there are scams and cons out there but no not everyone is.

Yes, sometimes logic must rule and feelings need to put it put to the side. If I am assisting in brain surgery it is not about my feelings, it is about what I can do. If a fireman is putting out a fire it is not about his feelings or anyone else's, is it is about putting out the fire. But No, feelings can't ever be suppressed, I am NOT a robot. A tornado is over your head, check your feelings of hysteria or excitement and head for the basement and follow your training But again no I don't always do that.

Yes, I have spoke my truth maybe not in a league of some of these whistleblowers but where it was quite important and No I have been afraid to speak, afraid to lose my job, so no, unfortunately equally important.

Yes, I have been known to seek power or people in positions of power or people who are knowledgeable about a subject but no it does not suit my purpose to be Illuminati. Sometimes the many outweigh the needs of the one, sometimes the one outweighs the needs of the many and power is a way to achieve either one. Knowledge without power leads to insanity, For me personally.

[Roisin]

"Stay positive. Stay happy... Stay within the heart area."

That statement is very warped because if you live "within your heart" you are acknowledging your feelings. Love hurts, for example. And there's no way around that either... sometimes love hurts.

For someone to tell you that it is wrong to be emotional about some things, and to express yourself emotionally too.... especially those things that you are passionate about, they are in essence, not only trying to take away your humanity but they are attempting to turn you into a emotionless, undiscerning, robotic sheeple.

They do that because it's easier for them to control you after they have brainwashed you by telling you to be positive and happy all of the time even in the face of difficulty and hardship. But in essence what they have really done is destroyed reality for you by telling you to ignore and hide your pain.

Sheeple are told that it's wrong or even evil to feel pain but nothing could be further from the truth because sometimes it is through our pain that we find our strength; and in this case, the strength to resist those ones who are always trying to control us.

To negate your pain, to negate your feelings... is to negate reality. To negate reality results in the inability to make those real changes that are needed to change things for the better. Not only for yourself but for everything else too in the world around you.

If you are one of those who are always positive and happy all of the time, not only are you NOT living "within your heart area" but you are no longer human either.

Real humans allow themselves to feel their emotions sometimes... and not just their good ones either. Real humans, from time to time, feel pain too. To take all of that away and tell someone to suppress that pain and those accompanying feelings and emotions that come along with that is to tell them to not be human anymore and to become a sheeple.

[aheb]

I must admit that I detest the love bunnies, the people too stupid to think and all they can do is feel, and it usually ends disasterously.
one of my favourite sayings is " The earth shall inherit the meek "
Recently in the UK we had the European Elections and the United Kingdom Indepence party won. However they received a lot of flack and they were called racist. A lot of well intentioned people never questioned this, they just didn't want to be thought racist. I made the point to a few of them that UKIP were not racist because they are from a country of white Europeans and they want to stop the immigration to the UK of white Europeans, so how can that be racist? they are the same race!!

[Roisin]

Hmmm interesting question. Personally I believe that the heart is like a point that connects us to a wisdom and intelligence that exists beyond anything that the mind is capable of. The mind is an important tool and should not be denigrated, but I believe it functions best when guided by the heart.

HOWEVER, the problem is that in the majority of us the purity of our hearts is obscured by our fears. When unconscious fears block access to the true wisdom of our hearts...we can end up thinking we are operating from our hearts, but unfortunately end up actually operating in reaction to our fears...one of the most common manifestation of this is victim mentality.

Ironically in order to purify the heart energies we need to STOP always trying to be positive and actually look at the pain that stands in the way. By processing and releasing the accumulated pain and darkness we clear the energies that obscure the true wisdom of the heart.

Very heartfelt, very eloquent AND VERY TRUE!

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I use both my heart and (sharp) mind, but I prefer the heart because it knows more. The mind is a good tool, but also quite the fool.

That's beautiful and I wholeheartedly agree!

[Matt P]

[I]+ When and where do you 'draw the line' and decide you are being asked to surrender too much?
+ Once you draw the line, what does the pushback look like (from you)?

This question and thread reminds me of an email I got from "Simon Black" a little while back. For those that don't know "Simon" he publishes Sovereign Man Confidential, a financial consulting outfit for people like us (more in the know than the typical Joe). Sign up for his emails. You won't be disappointed.


http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/what-to-do-when-youve-hit-your-breaking-point-9504/

What to do when you've hit your breaking point

November 8, 2012,
Santiago, Chile.

At some point or another, anyone who is even remotely paying attention to reality will likely reach two critical moments of awakening in their lives.

The first is what I call the “Aha! moment”. This is the point at which people realize that there is something terribly, terribly wrong with the system… and that almost everything they’ve been brought up to believe about their government and society is total BS.

The ‘Aha! moment’ is usually brought about by something you learn or read… for example, finding out that your national government is deeply, hopelessly in debt. Or that it is mathematically impossible for you to receive the pension benefits you’ve been promised. Or that your currency is being printed into degeneracy by a single individual.

My own ‘Aha! moment’ came in early 2003. I was an intelligence officer sitting on the Iraqi border waiting for George W. Bush to order coalition forces north. But first he had to convince the rest of the world of his righteousness.

At the time, officials from the Bush administration were pushing hard to make their case for war. But the information they were presenting just didn’t add up. My colleagues and I used to look at each other and ask, “seriously, what WMDs are these people talking about?”

We already knew about chemical munitions. Duh. It was the Americans that had equipped Saddam with those to begin with. But nukes? Total pipe dream. I knew it was BS. And watching the President go on television saying, ‘we know he has nukes’ destroyed everything I had ever believed about government. That was my ‘Aha! moment’.

Typically when people hit their Aha! moments, the next days and weeks are filled with more learning, more reading. Like tugging at a string on a tattered garment, it just keeps unraveling.

The more you read, the more it arouses your curiosity, and the more you read… often jumping to other topics. Freedom. Privacy. Central Banking. Debt. Capital controls. etc.

You soon become so well-informed that you start feeling isolated, surrounded by other people who are still asleep. When you talk to your friends and family, most of them don’t want to hear about your ideas. They think you’re nuts. They haven’t had their ‘Aha! moment’ yet.

Eventually, you learn to keep it all inside. But then, at some point down the road, the second critical moment occurs– the Breaking Point.

The Breaking Point is event driven rather than knowledge driven. It could be from watching your wife or kids get radiated or sexually assaulted by government agents at the airport. Or writing a huge tax check to your government. Or having your bank account frozen by your tax authorities. Or… seeing a man you despise win a national election.

A Breaking Point constitutes the spark which propels people to finally take necessary action… to make them realize “I have to do something.”

My own philosophy is that international diversification should be a major part of any individual solution. When your own country and government are in terminal decline, it makes all the sense in the world to diversify abroad. This is something that the ultra-wealthy have been doing for centuries… but in the digital age, the same opportunities are available to everyone.

For example, why hold your savings in a bankrupt financial institution in your home country when you can open a foreign account in a safe, well capitalized bank overseas? If you have a business, why not use foreign structures to maximize your asset protection and legal tax savings?

Why risk confiscation of gold and silver in your home country when you can store precious metals safely and securely overseas? If you’re concerned about the direction of your home country and currency, why not diversify abroad with high quality real estate?

Overseas email accounts. Second passports. International medical insurance. Foreign trusts. Tax advantageous foreign life insurance policies. Foreign bank and brokerage accounts. International investment, business, employment, and lifestyle opportunities.

It’s a big world out there. And while some countries are in serious decline, others are trending higher by the day. Almost every aspect of our lives can now be diversified abroad, and these countries are literally competing for your business.

It’s the way things should be… and the right way to structure a rational solution based on factual analysis.

Another good one from "Simon":

How I reached my breaking point ten years ago today
by Simon Black on February 5, 2013

February 5, 2013
Santiago, Chile

Exactly ten years ago to the day, I was in the Kuwaiti desert waiting for George W. Bush to ‘make his decision’.

You may remember the circumstances. Ever since labeling Iraq, Iran, and North Korea the ‘Axis of Evil’ in January 2002, the President had been gradually advocating war with Iraq based on the threat of nuclear weapons.

We knew it was going to happen. At the time, I was a rising intelligence officer, my head still filled with ideals of national duty from my time at West Point.

One of the generals that I served under gathered together his officers in early 2002 and said, “We’re going to war. It’s not a question of IF, but WHEN.”

By late summer of that year, my unit was ordered to Kuwait to pre-position assets and begin gathering boots on the ground intelligence. So every time Mr. Bush would say “I haven’t made a decision yet,” I winced from the heavy stench of his BS.

But still, I held out hope.

It all came crashing down ten years ago today. On February 5, 2003 Colin Powell, four-star general turned US Secretary of State, made a case to the United Nations that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

Now, I won’t bother delving into the inaccuracies of the intelligence he presented. In Powell’s own words, making that presentation to the UN was “the lowest point in [his] life” and a “lasting blot on his record.”

For me, it was pivotal. At that instant, I knew without doubt that my government had reprehensibly lied through its teeth. And if they were lying about this… what else were they lying about?

Everything, it turned out.

The event set me down a path on which I never looked back. The fraud of the Iraq War soon led to the frauds of previous wars, our monetary system, taxes, the global banking system, the national balance sheet, the police state, etc.

It all unraveled so quickly, and I soon realized that I was not living in a free country… that all the loud, bombastic nonsense and pledges of allegiance were illusions masking modern day serfdom.

The subsequent ten years have only reinforced this trend. The political and banking elite have given us more war, inflation, and epic financial crises. They’ve turned Western civilization into a giant police state. And they’ve managed to brainwash the great masses so effectively that the people are crying out for more.

And yet, there are solutions.

After an emotional, gut-wrenching awakening, I traveled to more than 100 countries looking for freedom and opportunity. I learned that awareness, prudent planning, and global thinking can rebuild much of our stolen liberty.

Quite simply, you don’t put all of your eggs in one basket. History shows that when governments enter a period of terminal decline, they try to control EVERYTHING– wages, prices, borders, money supply, foreign exchange, private property, etc.

Of course, these tactics never work and only hasten the decline, as everyone from Emperor Diocletian of ancient Rome to Argentina’s modern day President Cristina Fernandez [will] have learned.

As destructive as these politicians are, though, they’re easy to defeat. Individuals who take action early have plenty of options to buy precious metals, move a portion of their savings abroad to a stable banking jurisdiction, and scout out locations overseas in case they ever need to get out of dodge.

These steps make sense no matter what. It’s hard to imagine that you’ll be worse off for shipping a few physical ounces of gold abroad, having some savings stashed away in a healthy foreign bank, taking control of your retirement account, or something as simple as planting a garden in your backyard.

However if it’s a bumpy road ahead– gold criminalization, capital controls, pension fund confiscation, etc.– you’ll be well ahead of the crowd.

I had to reach my breaking point before taking these steps. Fortunately I was early. Most people either ignore the writing on the wall… or they won’t do anything until it’s too late and there are no more options. I’m willing to bet that you’re different.

[gardener2]

hello avalonians I am new here and I so enjoy reading all of these discussions, seems there are people with belief systems and fears or religious points to make, hope you will forgive ma for saying "religion is for people who are afraid of going to hell" spirituality is for people that have already been there. in my mind anyone who tries to sell you a belief system is your enemy, but discussion can be a way of building a bridge we can all of us can meet in love and understanding. hope I haven't offended anyone if I have it is not my intension. fond regards gardener 2 x

[RunningDeer]

Nearly all of the pure "heart oriented" people I know, behave like complete Dupes.
Dupie RunningDeer deleted comment.
Dearest Runningdeer,

I think that you should add your post...to the greater discussion....

I think that it would be highly relevant....

The "fox" is fearsome but some say he bites not at all.....

Nine
Yes, nine, I agree “The "fox" is fearsome but some say he bites not at all…..”

I discovered that when I listen to interview with Dr. Richard A. Miller. Which tells me “the fox” is creative and able.

On May 23rd, GuyFox asked for our thoughts on appropriateness of his communication style. I responded. There was no response nor thanks. I’ll add that post here.


I am open to people's thoughts here on the appropriateness of :
+ The way I have handled it

My response:

When there's an accusatory tone towards another, I have trouble letting it go to listen to the poster's message. I realize that I may lose an opportunity for an insightful message. I'd rather that than be part of disharmony. Though, it's not uncommon for the insight to surface in another way.

I'm a work in progress in going beyond that communication style to hear what is a distant second…information.

Thank you, GuyFox, for the opportunity to state the above.

Take care,
RunningDeer <3


Dr RAM: Changing The Movie : Away from Endless War
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:focus:

[RunningDeer]

Sorry to have lost your comment, Running Deer.
Yes! Strong words, fully intended to provoke some debate here.

GuyFox, it’s not worth the time and energy to participate where a person or group is slammed, all to ‘provoke’ further discussion.

My sense is you are an intelligent, creative individual. No doubt you’re able to find a different way to provoke.

RunningDeer <3

[Roisin]

Grinding axes to uncover the truth is NOT the way to go. Especially when they have to do with ones own politically incorrect personal axes where one is wrapping them in a cloak of (usually imagined) indignity and then acting as if that, in itself, is a badge of nobility of some sort. But fortunately most rational people recognize it for what it is... a false narrative that is far from "fair and balanced" that one is peddling as the truth.

[GuyFox]

Dearest Guy...
You live in Aisa....
The wall is coming here....
what to do....
not a clue....
Nine

Doc RAM says it will "be all about water" - that's the first thing to sort out.
Where will it come from?
How will you filter it, and structure it?

Catch the last 10-15 minutes:
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[Robin]

I can see why "Seek a balance of Heart and Head: research and logic are necessary too" has been most voted for thus far, but I could not allow myself to choose that option. I would most certainly rather choose "none of the above," because all of these options are limiting when looking at the whole human psyche. Why should anybody limit themselves or box themselves into a label? I think all of these options encompass every individual.

That being said, I think that if I would create a new option for this poll, it would be the trifecta: Mind, Heart, and GUTS (Mark Passio would agree).

A complete human utilizes all three aspects of their behavior in balance. One must first use the mind (thoughts) to interpret information objectively and logically, use the heart (emotions) to determine how the information should be applied to actions, and use the guts (action) to respond to the information. In other words, you need to utilize both your masculine AND feminine energy in conjunction with courage to actively create your own reality.

Using the mind and heart is not enough. One must also have the courage (guts) to go out and make change. Meditating all day and refusing to acknowledge all the negativity going on will not solve anything, because the negative forces will tromp all over you. In order for one to use the trifecta in balance, one must have the CARE to do so. They must abandon ignorance and apathy, and instead accept sympathy and empathy.

Think about the Wizard of Oz. Dorothy (innocence) meets the Scarecrow (mind), the Tinman (heart), and the Cowardly Lion (guts). Once they all work together, they finally unveil the PTB and actively create their own reality.

[GuyFox]

The first is what I call the “Aha! moment”. This is the point at which people realize that there is something terribly, terribly wrong with the system… and that almost everything they’ve been brought up to believe about their government and society is total BS.

The ‘Aha! moment’ is usually brought about by something you learn or read…
The Breaking Point is event driven rather than knowledge driven. It could be from...

"For me, it was pivotal. At that instant, I knew without doubt that my government had reprehensibly lied through its teeth. And if they were lying about this… what else were they lying about?
Everything, it turned out."
- mpennery

Great post - which I have summarised above.

The breaking point for me was an accumulation of things, with 9/11 and the Global Financial Crisis playing a big role. The GFC was highly predictable - and I predicted it, along with many others.

Like the shock of 9/11, TPTB used the shock of the GFC to increase their wealth and power at the expense of ordinary people. As I watched this unfold before my eyes, I can to realize how ruthless "they" were, and how little they cared for ordinary people. Eventually, I began to see it went beyond that - and the depopulation agenda seems real enough. It it was of the few things that can explain the world as it is unfolding.

I do NOT believe that violence is the answer. But standing up to "them" and their agenda of endless war is important. As is communicating the "truth", as I see it, and working to develop a better understanding of the missing pieces within the Big picture.

Coming back to the questions in the OP, I do wonder if the "Bunnies" actually have a Breaking point? And if they do, if it will come too late for them to be helpful in arresting the loss of Liberties?

[Jake]

Thank you, Guy for your unbreakable wisdom. :) Live from the heart, and all things will follow. Productive, passionate debate is always from the heart. IMHO.

Quick funny story. Young Jake got in BIIIG trouble when he was about 4 years old. I knew the adults were lying about several things (santa, easter bunny, etc..) It angered my so much that i walked over to the dinner table, and knocked over a large bowl of pudding that my dad was eating. Pudding went everywhere, and the whole family was shocked. I was immediately punished and mayhem began. Young Jake was NOT going hear another JackARSSE tell him that 'the truth was in the pudding'... I was not going to stand for it."

Yes young Jake was right... but he was verrryyy wrong. You see, imho, living from the heart is only part of it. One must choose their behavior wisely... I have always told my daughters,, it is okay to get mad... But to STAY mad is a CHOICE...

I don't think that there is any ONE way to be. Humans are a dynamic group. There is something to be said about controlling our emotions, at least enough that they do not augment our INTENT. Emotions can trigger powerful reactions, not always positive. To that end, one must learn to control their emotions, or simply learn to pick their battles better.

I am a spiritual creature. Though religion had rejected me at all points. Living from the heart has allowed me to move forward, without the negative byproducts that seem to follow those who Don't (politicians, snake oil sells, etc...)

I believe that all things done in a negative fashion, should be done with humility,, and only as a means to an end. To lead with negativity and/or a negative, overall disposition is to foreshadow things to come...

Try sojourning into the astral, thinking that a positive outlook is just hoopla, and childsplay!!! :)

I try and establish eye contact and smile at every person that i see. It makes a difference. :)

Jake.

[GuyFox]

hello avalonians I am new here and I so enjoy reading all of these discussions, seems there are people with belief systems and fears or religious points to make, hope you will forgive ma for saying "religion is for people who are afraid of going to hell" spirituality is for people that have already been there. in my mind anyone who tries to sell you a belief system is your enemy, but discussion can be a way of building a bridge we can all of us can meet in love and understanding. hope I haven't offended anyone if I have it is not my intension. fond regards gardener 2 x

I don't think you will offend anyone on Avalon with that.
Not many with a such a formal and doctrinaire religious view here -as far as I can see.

I am slowly learning what can offend people here. The websites where I have posted before - you can say almost anything, and it is considered bad form to tiptoe, as if on eggshells. But P-A is not like that. (Some think that I come across as assertive, and even insulting at times. But I rarely make a direct insult, unless it is earned. And I think i could show you posts here, where I have absorbed more - in harsh comments - than I have ever dished out.)

I suppose I am still testing myself here, to see if my style will work here, and if the issues that interest me will interest others, and lead to some common cause - or not.

[GuyFox]

Sorry to have lost your comment, Running Deer.
Yes! Strong words, fully intended to provoke some debate here.
GuyFox, it’s not worth the time and energy to participate where a person or group is slammed, all to ‘provoke’ further discussion.
My sense is you are an intelligent, creative individual. No doubt you’re able to find a different way to provoke.
RunningDeer <3

Thanks for that, R.D.
It is something. But I would have liked more.

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Grinding axes to uncover the truth is NOT the way to go. Especially when they have to do with ones own politically incorrect personal axes where one is wrapping them in a cloak of (usually imagined) indignity and then acting as if that, in itself, is a badge of nobility of some sort. But fortunately most rational people recognize it for what it is... a false narrative that is far from "fair and balanced" that one is peddling as the truth.

Okay. Thanks for responding.
Naturally, I disagree.
(Did I really "grind an axe"? You exaggeration matches mine in the using "fluffy bunnies" IMHO.)
My questions are still there...
Have you got a breaking point?
If it is "when someone calls Heart-People 'fluffy bunnies', then maybe I hit it. (haha).
If so, then what is the (appropriate) push back?
Just asking...
I really want to get beyond an exchange of "aspersions", even if you may think I triggered this.

[GuyFox]

....I would create a new option for this poll, it would be the trifecta: Mind, Heart, and GUTS (Mark Passio would agree).

A complete human utilizes all three aspects of their behavior in balance. One must first use the mind (thoughts) to interpret information objectively and logically, use the heart (emotions) to determine how the information should be applied to actions, and use the guts (action) to respond to the information. In other words, you need to utilize both your masculine AND feminine energy in conjunction with courage to actively create your own reality.

Using the mind and heart is not enough. One must also have the courage (guts) ...

Great comment.
I was hoping Mark Passio would come up!

For those who have not seen it, THIS video of his, is a classic:

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Yes, it really is 7 hours long - and I have heard most of it.
And found it rewarding.

[Jake]

Oops, I meant to add: I think there is a fundamental difference between inspiring someone to see your point of view,,, versus MAKING them see it... (negativity, as always, is a choice.)

Gotta go
Jake.

[GuyFox]

I am a spiritual creature. Though religion had rejected me at all points. Living from the heart has allowed me to move forward, without the negative byproducts that seem to follow those who Don't (politicians, snake oil sells, etc...)

I believe that all things done in a negative fashion, should be done with humility,, and only as a means to an end. To lead with negativity and/or a negative, overall disposition is to foreshadow things to come...

Try sojourning into the astral, thinking that a positive outlook is just hoopla, and childsplay!!! :)

I try and establish eye contact and smile at every person that i see. It makes a difference. :)

Jake.

Food for thought.
Yes, I have heard that Remote viewing and OBE's can change one's view of reality,
and give one a bigger Big Picture - so that dramas of "this world" become less important - perhaps leaving no good reason to fight with anyone over "Truth".

This thinking comes out in this interview with a Remote Viewer, which you may enjoy:

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[Roisin]

Sorry to have lost your comment, Running Deer.
Yes! Strong words, fully intended to provoke some debate here.

GuyFox, it’s not worth the time and energy to participate where a person or group is slammed, all to ‘provoke’ further discussion.

My sense is you are an intelligent, creative individual. No doubt you’re able to find a different way to provoke.

... Yet the main catalyst, they say, is a growing awareness of a seemingly greater acceptance of anti-Semitism here and in other parts of Europe."

RunningDeer <3

I'm in TOTAL agreement with that RunningDeer.

That's for pointing that out!

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...Recently in the UK we had the European Elections and the United Kingdom Indepence party won. However they received a lot of flack and they were called racist. A lot of well intentioned people never questioned this, they just didn't want to be thought racist. I made the point to a few of them that UKIP were not racist because they are from a country of white Europeans and they want to stop the immigration to the UK of white Europeans, so how can that be racist? they are the same race!!


Not surprising but the same people who are protesting against people of different ethnic groups of any race, color and religion, living in their country, IOW's, people who are not like them, where they are telling them to leave their country, are the same ones who also complain about the existence of Israel -- a place where Jewish people move to to escape ethnic discrimination and hard-core persecution.

In an ideal world where ethnic and religious persecution does not exist, a place like Israel would not have been created. But the long and short of it is, it's our fault that there's so much strife in the middle east because had it not been for the holocaust and the ongoing prejudice and discrimination against Jews, the Arab/Israeli issue would not exist either.

Here's an article that was published today in The New York Times entitled:

Number of French Jews Emigrating to Israel Rises

It's just another example on why the state of Israel needs to be there....

PARIS — For Tiffany Taieb Nizard, the decision to abandon France for Israel came this month when a French-born man was accused of gunning down four people at the Jewish Museum in Brussels in an anti-Semitic attack.

It was just the tipping point. Earlier, Ms. Taieb Nizard, 32, a mother of two, says she was punched on the Champs-Élysées by a gang of Muslim girls who called her “dirty Jew.” Last year, she said, a man in her neighborhood on the edge of Paris complained to the police about her sister’s Sukkah, a hut erected to celebrate the Jewish holiday of Sukkot. She insists that her Orthodox husband wear a baseball cap over his skullcap to avoid harassment. A graduate in management, she was also struggling to find a job.

“I love France, and this is my country, but I am disgusted now,” she said. “In Israel there is an army that will protect us. Here, I can no longer see a future for my children.”

While she had her reasons, other Jews in France are doing the same. And while the number is relatively small — 1,407 of France’s roughly 500,000 Jews left in the first three months of the year — it is four times higher than for the same period last year, according to the Jewish Agency for Israel, which coordinates migration to Israel.

...Yet the main catalyst, they say, is a growing awareness of a seemingly greater acceptance of anti-Semitism here and in other parts of Europe."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/21/world/europe/number-of-french-jews-emigrating-to-israel-rises-sharply.html

[aheb]

I think Judaism needs to be discussed more fully, and it's difference from Zionism. I also don't like the fact that people do not discuss the holocaust or world war two to any great depth. We never say what a great part Russia played both in the liberation and in committing atrocities, and there are things coming to light even now that I find strange. The Crimean business for example, I never knew there were Nazi's there. Unfortunately when you try to talk about these things people believe that you are "anti" or predjudiced when you are not, just want to know more, to gain a greater understanding, to make omelletes you must break eggs.
I think the elites relish these differences .They go on about Racism and homophobia or anti semitism and I for one don't believe that they give a dam about any of these things , I believe that they are used as some sort of smoke screen to take eyes away from their true beliefsand agendas

[GuyFox]

"I think the elites relish these differences .They go on about Racism and homophobia or anti semitism and I for one don't believe that they give a dam about any of these things , I believe that they are used as some sort of smoke screen to take eyes away from their true beliefsand agendas"
- Aheb

"Rascist", "Homophobe", "Anti-semite", "Sexist"
= These are "weaponised" words, used to shut people up - and stop discussion.

Few people can go on speaking on the same topic once they are labelled this way.
One strategy I have heard is to "loop" the word with a brief set response, like this:

"Rascist" :
"I see. You are against Whites standing up for their own Race."

"Anti-semite" :
"I've been called that before. It is nearly always by someone who wants to protect Jewish privileges."

The idea is to shut up the labeller, and turn the spotlight back on he who spoke it.

This strategy came up on Redice/RadioThreeXX podcast, that was mentioned on another thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71551-The-Crucial-Battle-against-Political-Correctness--a-new-trend-

It might be better to discuss it there, since to go into it here might distract this conversation, which I hoped would be more about Breaking Points, and what to do when you reach them.

[GuyFox]

"It was just the tipping point. Earlier, Ms. Taieb Nizard, 32, a mother of two, says she was punched on the Champs-Élysées by a gang of Muslim girls who called her “dirty Jew.”
- Roisin

That's unacceptable.
And absolutely no better than Jews or French calling Muslims "filthy" or "dirty".
In that story, we only have Ms Nizard's word for what happened. Perhaps the Muslims would tell a different story. Or Muslims might tell their own story of woe, but I wonder if it would be reported. Don't forget, much of the media is Jewish-controlled in most countries and we rarely get anything like a balanced story.
=== ===

In hindsight, it begins to look like "Love Bunny" is functioning like a Weaponised word (see post above for a definition) - as such it may be hampering discussion from those who might otherwise describe or defend such position.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/jimolsen2/Pacifist_zpscec5a75e.jpg (http://s273.photobucket.com/user/jimolsen2/media/Pacifist_zpscec5a75e.jpg.html)

So I want to set up a neutral, or even heroic category - which might be called:
"Spiritual Pacifist":
These would be people who - set their Breaking Point far away from where we are today, and believe that by exuding Love towards all, even their enemies, they can change the world.

I certainly want to give people a chance (and encouragement!) to describe and champion their point of view too.

[ghostrider]

a positive attitude is first then , it must produce action ... faith without works is dead ... believe on substance until it becomes evidence ... a grain of mustard seed in your mind that says you can do it , allows you to move mountains/40ton pyramid stones , Immanuel said , greater works shall ye do ... even Immanuel with all his wisdom had to do the work ... nothing was created until it was spoken , thoughts are the releasing of spiritual energy ...when SPOKEN ... let there be light and behold , let there be ... let there be ... even god never made anything until he SAID IT ... AND your words are a product of your thinking , where the mind goes , the body follows ...stay positive , speak your truth , live according to your words ...

[unearth9]

Dearest Guy,

The New Age is full of channelers and spirtists and cultists and crooks and goof balls and mostly controlled by the 16 US spook agencies in my most humble opinion.

The Abrahamic religions are all augmented and controlled by governments and their spook agencies for control of the world and its people the dumbest of which are the Christian Zionists in America.

In my humble opinion there is real spirituality but it is not found in any of these venues and of course the nature of what truth is or is not is about facts that many "New Age" types like to ignore. As do the Christian Zionists ignore facts and truths and so now we have a country controlled and ruled by Zionist insane morons!

Here is a truth for the christo zios....the birth place of your Jesus has a 27 foot wall around it! And you are silent about it? WTF?

I will go further here while my thinking cap is on. Many folks here at Avalon seem to have a problem with truth. One truth is that those who rule in America and in the world have muscle behind what they do. They do things because they can.

I believe that the insiders are divided in great faction about how to rule and how to proceed and so we are seeing much information divulged at this time and so we live in frightening times and also wonderful times depending upon ones perspective.

The internet is so full of such bullsh@#t that it boggels the mind sometimes and wading through it all is difficult.

Well Guy in reguards to that mod here Mr. Jake I am going to remain silent about this fellow but one of my posts was heavily censored out of "love" or whatever...but...so what....

Well if some channeler has some bs in a post are we just supposed to accept it with out question and if one does challenge nonsenes and gets punished for it then maybe leaving this forum might be the best thing to do.

I am right on the edge about that one Guy fox....

Thanks for your post here...

Nine

Oh, don't go! We need a diverse conversation here. Wait for light worker whistle blowers any second now.

[unearth9]

I want to live in peace....

Some would say that I am indeed insane...and I guess I am alone on that issue...

the rise of any faction is not about the truth ....

When peace reigns one could ride a simple bicycle anywhere upon the planet....no...??

I have no answers upon such things....


I have posted to much...


Nine

I want to live in peace too.

[enfoldedblue]

Very good, enfoldedblue.
I really like THIS part of your comment:

" Ironically in order to purify the heart energies we need to STOP always trying to be positive and actually look at the pain that stands in the way. By processing and releasing the accumulated pain and darkness we clear the energies that obscure the true wisdom of the heart."

Can you give an example of how this is happening in our world now?



Just a quick response as I've got a parrot trying to climb up my leg and I'm sitting on a balance ball trying to keep my feet off the ground...lol.

For much of my younger life I had no idea what to do with negative feelings and emotions. The approach I took was one most people adopt...I learnt to subconsciously push away those uncomfortable feelings so that I could get on with life.

Eventually it got to a point where I knew there was inner 'stuff' dragging me down...but I had no idea how to access this 'stuff' or what to do with it if I did. I ended up in Byron Bay Australia in the 90's and found myself surrounded with people who were into working on themselves. I decided to begin exploring myself. Initially I needed the help of a professional to learn how to access and process my unresolved energy. I began working once a week with a woman who did breath work sessions. Basically I would lie down for an hour or 2 and breath very deeply and allow whatever needed to to come to the surface. This was not fun and I was required to sit in some VERY uncomfortable energies. However what I soon realized was that the more ''work" I did the lighter and better I would feel. It was actually quite shocking how much energy I had shoved away over the years. That year saw me shed a lot of tears as I uncovered all kinds of old unresolved 'stuff' from my childhood and adolescence. But as much as it was hard it was also beautiful as I found more and more precious aspects of myself buried away with the challenging stuff. The more I did it the more whole I felt.

After that it got much easier and I learned how to process and release on my own. Now it is something that I do when I feel called to. The bath is one of my favourite places to process.

:)

[GuyFox]

Okay.
I am tapping Michael Tellinger on the shoulder with the Sword-of-Truth and saying:

"Please explain better, why we do Not Need Money!":
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72420-Michael-Tellinger-We-don-t-Need-Money-

[ulli]

"It was just the tipping point. Earlier, Ms. Taieb Nizard, 32, a mother of two, says she was punched on the Champs-Élysées by a gang of Muslim girls who called her “dirty Jew.”
- Roisin

That's unacceptable.
And absolutely no better than Jews or French calling Muslims "filthy" or "dirty".
In that story, we only have Ms Nizard's word for what happened. Perhaps the Muslims would tell a different story. Or Muslims might tell their own story of woe, but I wonder if it would be reported. Don't forget, much of the media is Jewish-controlled in most countries and we rarely get anything like a balanced story.
=== ===

In hindsight, it begins to look like "Love Bunny" is functioning like a Weaponised word (see post above for a definition) - as such it may be hampering discussion from those who might otherwise describe or defend such position.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/jimolsen2/Pacifist_zpscec5a75e.jpg (http://s273.photobucket.com/user/jimolsen2/media/Pacifist_zpscec5a75e.jpg.html)

So I want to set up a neutral, or even heroic category - which might be called:
"Spiritual Pacifist":
These would be people who - set their Breaking Point far away from where we are today, and believe that by exuding Love towards all, even their enemies, they can change the world.

I certainly want to give people a chance (and encouragement!) to describe and champion their point of view too.

This principle works via a ripple effect, at the energetic levels. In order to understand how takes quite a bit of observation.
It also helps to study Hermetics.
In any case, this knowledge is not something you can simply squeeze out of someone;
to find it needs personal commitment and a quest.

[GuyFox]

Hmm.
Is that how you see it, Ulli ?
I actually have some real knowledge about spirituality - believe it or not.

I am merely inviting them ("Spiritual Pacifists") to the conversation.
Of course, if they have no interest in engaging that is find.
There's plenty of work for the Sword-of-Truth.
And i think we have some here who will find that job useful.

Btw, in posting on many forums over many years, I have noticed something interesting, which seems to be gender based.

If you make a general comment which can be construed as negative concerning a particular group:

+ Women will tend to take it personally, thinking it is directed to them, and
+ Men will not take it personally, behaving as if it is directed to someone else.

I have tested this many times, and found it so common that it seems like general principle.

[ulli]

Hmm.
Is that how you see it, Ulli ?
I actually have some real knowledge about spirituality - believe it or not.

I am merely inviting them ("Spiritual Pacifists") to the conversation.
Of course, if they have no interest in engaging that is find.
There's plenty of work for the Sword-of-Truth.
And i think we have some here who will find that job useful.

Btw, in posting on many forums over many years, I have noticed something interesting, which seems to be gender based.

If you make a general comment which can be construed as negative concerning a particular group:

+ Women will tend to take it personally, thinking it is directed to them, and
+ Men will not take it personally, behaving as if it is directed to someone else.

I have tested this many times, and found it so common that it seems like general principle.

Interesting observation. And I'm sure there are exceptions, as always.
Let's call it "people" instead...people who feel vulnerable and need their privacy
versus people who feel bold and confident and march in anywhere,
whether invited or not.

I have started threads in the past where I saw gender as a dividing line,
and those threads all went south in no time.
Slippery slope, if you ask me.

[GuyFox]

Right, Ulli !
I don't want to discuss that gender thing any further.
(Just tossing it out as a past observation.)
It will be interesting to see how the balance on this thread goes - if it progresses further at all.

[ulli]

I read somewhere, long time ago, that when people are happy their DNA spirals are less compressed and tiny lights come on, which is where codes are hidden, and thus inner illumination takes place.

In my view humanity's happiness is of utmost importance and people have a right to strive for it.
But the weird thing is that it is attained more easily when one places another person's happiness above one's own.

Although, again, there are exceptions. I had three spinster great aunts who all lived together,
and in their absolute love and concern for one another's welfare ended up constantly bickering,
each one fighting for the right to lift the burden of life from the other...hahah..

[Sierra]

Right, Ulli !
I don't want to discuss that gender thing any further.
(Just tossing it out as a past observation.)
It will be interesting to see how the balance on this thread goes - if it progresses further at all.

You brought in gender, not Ulli. Be accountable. Be honest.

Gender based, what an interesting response to a post about Hermetics.

I have observed many times, a sudden insertion of gender stereotype into a conversation, usually means, shut up.

Perhaps the spiritual pacifists do not want to join the conversation because they already know what you think of them. Love Bunnies.

The thing about love bunnies, is that some of them understand and utilize:


United. Team. Intent.

I've seen it here on Avalon, and there are threads that report miracles. Some. threads were broken by polarity, usually because someone wanted to be the boss, rather than a member of the team. Team spirituality seems to require respect, tolerance, and humor, an understanding of the usefulness of all types. And genders, all of them.

Otherwise, self imposed limits caused by lack of vision, lack of respect, will stunt and stillborn creativity. A creation will not be the highest and best realization of a potential. There will be built in bias, conflict, separation, and polarity. Not leading to love.

Or Love Bunnies. :)

As you say, this thread may go nowhere now, but it is not because of Ulli's post on Hermetics.

Just sayin...

[GuyFox]

Sierra,
I was simply AGREEING with her comment
("... gender as a dividing line, and those threads all went south in no time.
Slippery slope, if you ask me. ")

Sorry that I expressed myself so poorly.
If you, or someone else, wants to discuss gender go ahead. In this case I said merely: I am ready to stop

"Perhaps the spiritual pacifists do not want to join the conversation because they already know what you think of them. Love Bunnies."

They can choose whichever of the two labels they prefer, or they can reject them both, and choose a third.

Don't you see how you are trying to box me in, and I am just not having it?
The Love Bunnies/ Spiritual Pacifists can do the same.

They need not wear 'my' labels anymore than I will wear yours

=== ===
Perhaps Sierra agrees with this. (?)
Her comment disappeared / was deleted
And that is just fine

I thought that Ulli "got" what I meant.

[Sierra]

Sierra,
I was simply AGREEING with her comment
("... gender as a dividing line, and those threads all went south in no time.
Slippery slope, if you ask me. ")

Sorry that I expressed myself so poorly.
If you, or someone else, wants to discuss gender go ahead. In this case I said merely: I am ready to stop

"Perhaps the spiritual pacifists do not want to join the conversation because they already know what you think of them. Love Bunnies."

They can choose whichever of the two labels they prefer, or they can reject them both, and choose a third.

Don't you see how you are trying to box me in, and I am just not having it?
The Love Bunnies/ Spiritual Pacifists can do the same.

They need not wear 'my' labels anymore than I will wear yours

It's not the labels, it is the attitude that went with the creation of the labels. That scares people.

[GuyFox]

Sorry about that.

I'm not as scary as you may think.
I aim to be "shockingly clear" - but sometimes miss my goal

What would be great would be if we could return to the original topics of this thread, which include:

1 / Where are people's Breaking Points - where they decide to stand their ground and/or fight for what they believe in?

2 / Once you reach that, what do you do?
(I strongly suggest avoiding violence except as a last resort)

3 / Should we use the Sword-of-Truth, even against those who appear to have Good intentions?
(my attitude is a resounding: Yes - and the thread about Michael Tellinger is maybe a good example of what I mean be "using the sword of truth")

[Jake]

"Rascist", "Homophobe", "Anti-semite", "Sexist"
= These are "weaponised" words, used to shut people up - and stop discussion.

Negative attitudes are what stops the free flow of ideas. These types of words always follow. To fight fire with fire,, is to create much more fire, no?

A negative complex is ALSO a TACTIC used to stifle discussion and productive debate. I have noticed that those who choose to use negetivity to somehow try and promote a positive outcome, are the same people who are not trying to get to the TRUTH, as much as they are trying to WIN AN ARGUMENT. Truth seekers do not have to dwell in negativity. Those who are desperate to prove themselves right, are the same folks who feel it necessary to prove others wrong,,, and the truth does not work like that. You do NOT have to destroy another person, in order to promote the truth. No matter what you say will make that true.... :)

Take Avalon, for example. Whenever someone posts, they have the ear of the entire forum. It is awesome. We have given folks the perfect platform to discuss events in an intellegent, productive way. We are all on the same team, and there is absolutely no reason to insult any of us,,, WE ARE LISTENING. So for anyone to show up at Avalon and insists on bringing the forum down with [their own] negative outlook is quite revealing to those of us who have the ability to get to the truth without attempting to destroy others.

It might work on the battlefield, or the courtroom, or the mens room, or the football field,,, or the board room... It is not even needed here, so why bring it??

I am happy to disagree. Avalon has moved forward leaps and bounds, and we will continue to have a positive outlook, and we will continue to take the high road. There are lots of other places on the internet where they do nothing but insult each other, and have NEVER moved a debate forward. There is a lot of that out there. We will not turn Avalon into one of those places.

Fighting for peace is an oxymoron!!! Also, if one LIVES from the heart,, one does not have to constantly tell themselves to STAY within the heart. There is a fundamental difference that may be worth looking into.

Jake.

ps. guy, I am talking to you, but not AT you. Sorry if this post feels like a judgement on you. It is not.

[Sierra]

Sorry about that.

I'm not as scary as you may think.
I am to be "shockingly clear" - but sometimes miss my goal

You've received plenty of feedback that says otherwise.

Yes, your attitude is very clear.

And yes, it will cause you to miss your goal.

You may have the last word. Bowing out.

[GuyFox]

sierra,
I think you are being terribly judgmental on this - and I do not find it of help.
So bowing out and removing the judgemental attitude, may give this thread a better life.
So, thanks for that.

[Jake]

sierra,
I think you are being terribly judgmental on this - and I do not find it of help.
So bowing out and removing the judgemental attitude, may give this thread a better life.
So, thanks for that.

You have a strange definition of terribly judgemental. Try reading over your posts, since you've come here and use that same logic on yourself. You have been terribly judgemental since your arrival. You have been terribly judgemental of Avalon and its members in almost every discussion,,,, would you like me to walk you through it??? Would you like me to fill this discussion with examples of your terrible judgements on members and Avalon????

Somehow, you think that your words are more important than everyone else's.

So far, we have given you a free pass. Seirra has done nothing to you. You have not seen terrible judgement yet, but keep it up...

Now, feel free to tell yourself that YOU are not the one bringing this discussion down.

I will bow out too... This discussion just became useless to me... Thanks Guy. For nothing....

Jake.

[ulli]

Sierra,
I was simply AGREEING with her comment
("... gender as a dividing line, and those threads all went south in no time.
Slippery slope, if you ask me. ")

Sorry that I expressed myself so poorly.
If you, or someone else, wants to discuss gender go ahead. In this case I said merely: I am ready to stop

"Perhaps the spiritual pacifists do not want to join the conversation because they already know what you think of them. Love Bunnies."

They can choose whichever of the two labels they prefer, or they can reject them both, and choose a third.

Don't you see how you are trying to box me in, and I am just not having it?
The Love Bunnies/ Spiritual Pacifists can do the same.

They need not wear 'my' labels anymore than I will wear yours

=== ===
Perhaps Sierra agrees with this. (?)
Her comment disappeared / was deleted
And that is just fine

Perhaps now we have reached a point where getting to the truth requires extra analysis.
Time for specifics.

In linear time:
I replied to the general OP, and subsequent discussion,
giving my viewpoint on how people who believe in the heart/love path might have come by their conviction...
and using Hermetics as an example and even suggesting a personal quest of those mysteries.

You then replied, ignoring my statement, but then made two fresh statements:
a) defending yourself against my perceived lack of your spirituality
b) reminiscing about men and women on past forums you have participated in
and that they tend to respond according to gender characteristics.

To which I retorted with a warning, that such a gender division could possibly cause harm to the future of this thread.

Just thought I needed to remind you of the time sequence here, as you seem to have now mixed apples and oranges, and bringing the issue of Sierra of responding to your second reply to me, when you did agree with me, when in reality she had addressed your first reply to my Hermetics post.
Then Sierra also misunderstood the fact that you had actually agreed with me...

So that's how the boxing in of people can easily lead to boxing matches in a mud pool.

In my need to (over) analyze events I am actually trying to open all the boxes again...just so everyone can see clearly.

[GuyFox]

Ulli,
If you want to say more about Hermetics, then please do.

I am sure you are clever enough to find a way to fit it in with the general thrust of this thread, or maybe take it in an interesting new direction

[ulli]

Ulli,
If you want to say more about Hermetics, then please do.

I am sure you are clever enough to find a way to fit it in with the general thrust of this thread, or maybe take it in an interesting new direction

The best way forward is to ignore what is past.
I'm not sure if you are aware that I gave up an extremely lucrative fashion career in order to start my quest into deeper mysteries.
My career offered me everything I had ever dreamt of, and most people never get to see in this lifetime. I was still in my twenties then. (It even took me to Hong Kong in 1974 and inside factories in Nathan Street)
Anyway, there was a major Aha! Moment and I woke up, and left all that behind. You can offer me a billion dollars and I would not return to that life.
What I found later, after studying astrology can be summed up by the term, " As above, so below". This has nothing to do with the 3D above-below spacial thingy, which many still believe it means...hence you see pictures of trees and roots if you google "as above, so below" ...it means one needs to see life in more abstract terms. The best visual image might be a picture of a fern leaf, or a broccoli, and the best explanation is given when describing how our DNA has the blueprint of the bigger us. Or how an atom and a solar system and even a galaxy seem to be governed by a similar law.

This law is universal, and it is not an ET construct, as ETs themselves are composed and subject to death and renewal of their vehicle, even if they can live 50,000 years.
So if one seeks for answers as to the origin of this universal law, and how come it is so absolute that no self transformation can shift it, the answers will inevitably lead to things pertaining the heart, rather than the mind.

[RunningDeer]

Dear GuyFox,

I see you've unsubscribed? I wish you continued success on your journey.

RunningDeer <3

[Carmody]

Thus endeth the given sourced polling, data mining, and reaction fishing.

[ulli]

Dear GuyFox,

I see you've unsubscribed? I wish you continued success on your journey.

RunningDeer <3

Remember Paul explained how the scale works, earlier today.
Had it been his intent he would now be a "Retired Member"

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Thus endeth the given sourced polling, data mining, and reaction fishing.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, but maybe I need to work a bit more on my antenna

[Carmody]

I have no problem with giving the benefit of the doubt either, but.... if doing their own job, or fulfilling their own desires/wants/needs.... or accidentally or incidentally doing someone else's - the result is the same.

[RunningDeer]

Dear GuyFox,

I see you've unsubscribed? I wish you continued success on your journey.

RunningDeer <3

Remember Paul explained how the scale works, earlier today.
Had it been his intent he would now be a "Retired Member"

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Thus endeth the given sourced polling, data mining, and reaction fishing.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, but maybe I need to work a bit more on my antenna

Yes, I changed my post to add a question mark above after reading Jake's post from another thread why GuyFox/Michael is no longer with us. I still wish him well.

Here's a shortened version of Paul's post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72380-What-is-the-difference-between-deactivated-and-unsubscribed&p=846306&viewfull=1#post846306) on member status:


There are four flavors of being inactive:

The "Retired" status is essentially a read-only status - member can still login, view PM's, search and view members only sub-forums, but cannot post or send PM's.

The "Deactivated" status allows logging in, but then once logged in, one has fewer permissions than a guest. So best not even login. Ilie and I use it as a status similar to banned, but with some differences in how we might handle the account in the future.

The "Banned (with time limit)" does not allow logging in, but that ban is automatically lifted after the specified time (such as one week).

The "Banned (permanently)" does not allow logging in, and is permanent (though in some cases, we have been persuaded to lift such bans.

The retired status is usually applied at the request of the member, and usually lifted if they subsequently ask to return to active status. On a few occasions, we have chosen not to unretire a member, if we subsequently determined that they don't fit here.

The deactivated and banned statuses are usually applied at the determination of Bill and/or the mod team.

[Carmody]

Of course I get the large black helicopter over the house with such posts.

After the 50th, or the hundredth, it remains a total coincidence.

Nothing to see here! Move along.

[Hervé]

[...]

... "as above, so below" ...it means one needs to see life in more abstract terms. The best visual image might be a picture of a fern leaf, or a broccoli, and the best explanation is given when describing how our DNA has the blueprint of the bigger us. Or how an atom and a solar system and even a galaxy seem to be governed by a similar law.

This law is universal, and it is not an ET construct, as ETs themselves are composed and subject to death and renewal of their vehicle, even if they can live 50,000 years.
So if one seeks for answers as to the origin of this universal law, and how come it is so absolute that no self transformation can shift it, the answers will inevitably lead to things pertaining the heart, rather than the mind.

So, in taking computer-speak analogy, there's a body/hardware, a mind/DNA auto-correcting software, a software programmer/writer/"spirit" and an end-user/incarnated soul.

The question I have a hard time with, with respect to "heart" or "mind," is why, in all hells and high heavens, such a designer/programmer/spirit designed a whole hardware system of exchange using some kind of "digestive system" to survive as "life" considering that all exchanges are possible only from external, pre-existing or concurrently existing material/food/energy from mineral (chemical reactions and/or particle collision/accretion/integration/ejection) via plant kingdom (ectodermic interactions) to animal (a digestive tract being an invaginated ectoderm)?

From my point of view, that "creation" is a prison designed to prevent an occupying, incarnated [incarcerated] "spirit/soul" to directly create the organism's supply of energy/food under the guise of "experience" with "breatharians" having not quite bought into that cosmic psy-op :)

[ulli]

[...]

... "as above, so below" ...it means one needs to see life in more abstract terms. The best visual image might be a picture of a fern leaf, or a broccoli, and the best explanation is given when describing how our DNA has the blueprint of the bigger us. Or how an atom and a solar system and even a galaxy seem to be governed by a similar law.

This law is universal, and it is not an ET construct, as ETs themselves are composed and subject to death and renewal of their vehicle, even if they can live 50,000 years.
So if one seeks for answers as to the origin of this universal law, and how come it is so absolute that no self transformation can shift it, the answers will inevitably lead to things pertaining the heart, rather than the mind.

So, in taking computer-speak analogy, there's a body/hardware, a mind/DNA auto-correcting software, a software programmer/writer/"spirit" and an end-user/incarnated soul.

The question I have a hard time with, with respect to "heart" or "mind," is why, in all hells and high heavens, such a designer/programmer/spirit designed a whole hardware system of exchange using some kind of "digestive system" to survive as "life" considering that all exchanges are possible only from external, pre-existing or concurrently existing material/food/energy from mineral (chemical reactions and/or particle collision/accretion/integration/ejection) via plant kingdom (ectodermic interactions) to animal (a digestive tract being an invaginated ectoderm)?

From my point of view, that "creation" is a prison designed to prevent an occupying, incarnated [incarcerated] "spirit/soul" to directly create the organism's supply of energy/food under the guise of "experience" with "breatharians" having not quite bought into that cosmic psy-op :)

Without the idea of prison there would never be the idea of escape, nor of freedom.
I see my earth experience as being part of a soul energy refinement school
For me, anyway. I realize that whatever belief system anyone chooses to buy into the infinite universe will then respond with more confirmation of those belief systems. It is wired that way.
Speaking from personal observation, but don't expect anyone to believe me.

[DeDukshyn]

I don't understand this poll.


Is staying positive good enough for what? Being positive? Then yes, absolutely! Is it good enough for being angry? No. It's not enough for acting out of fear either.

If the question is, can one stay positive in the face of any adversity? Only the strong ones can. Is using anger or fear or hate useful in the face of all / any adversity? Almost never.

Can one have fearful feelings and still push on with positivity? Only those we call courageous.

For me that sums up all the potential variables / perspectives.

Without proper intentions / definitions and distinctions identified, this poll is an accident waiting to happen .. looking back, it appears it already has :P ;)

[Napping]

I'm a little bummed to see that guy fox has been turfed(I'm assuming that is what happened), because characters like that really bring the best/worst out of people and provides great opportunities for further learning.

It also allows the cream to rise to the top. Ulli, the way you handled the energy and direction of this particular thread was exceptional. You're most definitely on my learning/ stalking radar for now on. What a credit to this forum you are.

Btw that's no disrespect to the other members who engaged with guy fox at all. He certainly new how to ruffle feathers. Like many before him though I'll miss his sharp intellect and propensity to challenge those around him. That's often what stimulates our most significant growth.

Matt

[ThePythonicCow]

Remember Paul explained how the scale works, earlier today.
Had it been his intent he would now be a "Retired Member"
I'm certain that RunningDeer remembers well, as it was she who took the initiative to make my post a helpful and sticky Tech Q & A thread :).

[ThePythonicCow]

Thus endeth the given sourced polling, data mining, and reaction fishing.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, but maybe I need to work a bit more on my antenna

GuyFox was a quite energetic provocateur. Whether the conscsious source of his energy was "free" or "encumbered" we'll probably never know for certain, though the effects of dumping highly charged ions into the Avalon soup are useful for the bastards in power to observe and take advantage of, regardless of the conscious intention of the ions themselves.

[Nine]

"Rascist", "Homophobe", "Anti-semite", "Sexist"
= These are "weaponised" words, used to shut people up - and stop discussion.

Negative attitudes are what stops the free flow of ideas. These types of words always follow. To fight fire with fire,, is to create much more fire, no?

A negative complex is ALSO a TACTIC used to stifle discussion and productive debate. I have noticed that those who choose to use negetivity to somehow try and promote a positive outcome, are the same people who are not trying to get to the TRUTH, as much as they are trying to WIN AN ARGUMENT. Truth seekers do not have to dwell in negativity. Those who are desperate to prove themselves right, are the same folks who feel it necessary to prove others wrong,,, and the truth does not work like that. You do NOT have to destroy another person, in order to promote the truth. No matter what you say will make that true.... :)

Take Avalon, for example. Whenever someone posts, they have the ear of the entire forum. It is awesome. We have given folks the perfect platform to discuss events in an intellegent, productive way. We are all on the same team, and there is absolutely no reason to insult any of us,,, WE ARE LISTENING. So for anyone to show up at Avalon and insists on bringing the forum down with [their own] negative outlook is quite revealing to those of us who have the ability to get to the truth without attempting to destroy others.

It might work on the battlefield, or the courtroom, or the mens room, or the football field,,, or the board room... It is not even needed here, so why bring it??

I am happy to disagree. Avalon has moved forward leaps and bounds, and we will continue to have a positive outlook, and we will continue to take the high road. There are lots of other places on the internet where they do nothing but insult each other, and have NEVER moved a debate forward. There is a lot of that out there. We will not turn Avalon into one of those places.

Fighting for peace is an oxymoron!!! Also, if one LIVES from the heart,, one does not have to constantly tell themselves to STAY within the heart. There is a fundamental difference that may be worth looking into.

Jake.

ps. guy, I am talking to you, but not AT you. Sorry if this post feels like a judgement on you. It is not.

Jake,

You are attacking him and of course the post that this thread came from was about Gordon Duff being a lier....

And your threats of your mod status here at avalon....don't like you at all....sorry for that negativity....and my anti love bunny status....

That is the vibe that YOU are giving me and so if we were in a room having a beer I would think the result would of course be something else and that with personal contact would come an understanding...

And YOU should take some responsibility for the creation of this thread in the first place....


Nine

[Nine]

Ulli,
If you want to say more about Hermetics, then please do.

I am sure you are clever enough to find a way to fit it in with the general thrust of this thread, or maybe take it in an interesting new direction

The best way forward is to ignore what is past.
I'm not sure if you are aware that I gave up an extremely lucrative fashion career in order to start my quest into deeper mysteries.
My career offered me everything I had ever dreamt of, and most people never get to see in this lifetime. I was still in my twenties then. (It even took me to Hong Kong in 1974 and inside factories in Nathan Street)
Anyway, there was a major Aha! Moment and I woke up, and left all that behind. You can offer me a billion dollars and I would not return to that life.
What I found later, after studying astrology can be summed up by the term, " As above, so below". This has nothing to do with the 3D above-below spacial thingy, which many still believe it means...hence you see pictures of trees and roots if you google "as above, so below" ...it means one needs to see life in more abstract terms. The best visual image might be a picture of a fern leaf, or a broccoli, and the best explanation is given when describing how our DNA has the blueprint of the bigger us. Or how an atom and a solar system and even a galaxy seem to be governed by a similar law.

This law is universal, and it is not an ET construct, as ETs themselves are composed and subject to death and renewal of their vehicle, even if they can live 50,000 years.
So if one seeks for answers as to the origin of this universal law, and how come it is so absolute that no self transformation can shift it, the answers will inevitably lead to things pertaining the heart, rather than the mind.


Ulli,

What an excellent post if I might say.

You made a statement with your life.

And I love what you put at the end of every one of your posts here...



FREE ENERGY NOW, OR IT WILL BREAK LOOSE ALL BY ITSELF!!!


That is a truth worth all of us thinking about and of course maybe the idea of energy scarcity weather in the "real" world or the spiritual world might of course be the problem.

The wars in the middle east are all about the remaining fossil fuels and the Global Controllers are now making moves there and of course our American tax dollars have paid for massive technologies that are indeed with held from us "normal" folks...

And of course what this thread is really about in my most humble opinion is the frustration that many feel that things are just not right in the world.

I am sorry that Guy has left this forum.

And to Jake our dear moderator on Avalon....you have a difficult job and keeping the peace here is one of them and I respect that Jake....

However, some of your comments about Gordon Duff which lead up to this thread were the problem which again you seem not to feel that you are at all responsible for...

Duff is a big well protected military industrial complex big boy that probably looks upon you as a "piss ant" ....as it were...

However, with that said and since Mr. Duff does not always tell the truth or obscures the truth then all of us must keep that in mind when reading his articles.

On Veterans Today, I prefer the writings of Jim Dean and I really get a lot out of the lead in to the articles that he edits from other writers....

What else do we have Jake? Foxx news or MSNBC ....


Thanks

Nine

[Nine]

This is for Jake....

You have been vetted here to moderate this fine forum.

And again I say that it is a very very difficult job.

We have had a few minor differences and I hope that we can come to some understanding. And so I look at the private messaging function of your Avalon software itself as a problem of faction and obfuscation and possibly even ganging up upon other folks.

I would prefer a public airing of this minor greivence between us Jake.....

And it is very minor I would suspect....

Is privacy bad? And of course it is not...

But with a thread such as this I could send you a private message and so how would that benefit anyone?

I came to Avalon looking for truth and so I choose to stay here and of course in all of this I have observed some wisdom displayed by folks here and the administration on this forum.

You allow maximum freedom to post until such posts could create a problem in the community and this was demonstrated to me here upon this thread.

I am simply trying to reach an understanding with you to achieve peace between us....


thanks....


Nine

[Nine]

This is for Ulli....


Since I got so much out of your few posts here....

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#peeling

Please read down to Wade's chart....about the stages of free energy....

You might find this of interest....

Thank you again...

Nine

[Becky]

I do think and feel it's important to use a mixture of head and heart - after all we were given both and they sometimes agree and sometimes disagree with each other. Isn't it wonderful when the head and heart agree?!! We need to be in TUNE with who we are and understand our thoughts and feelings and know where we are coming from, otherwise we're just wandering around in a fog, unawake.

I think your statements in the poll are not exclusive of each other - I would have picked about 5 statements to show how I feel. I think Whistleblowers, defending the truth against good intentions, also HAVE good intentions - after all - what made them decide to be a Whistleblower?
So this poll is interesting and will hopefully create a good debate, but in itself it's a bit confusing to me.
Thanks
Becky

[Nine]

"Without the idea of prison there would never be the idea of escape, nor of freedom.
I see my earth experience as being part of a soul energy refinement school
For me, anyway. I realize that whatever belief system anyone chooses to buy into the infinite universe will then respond with more confirmation of those belief systems. It is wired that way.
Speaking from personal observation, but don't expect anyone to believe me. "


From Ulli,

very interesting stuff....but censored...however....

Would that kind of like be ....what is going on with Christian Zionism... at least in America?

The out come of all this can be changed by how we think?

I despise the Christian Zionists...

http://www.pcusa.org/news/2014/1/21/presbyterian-network-opens-new-dialogue-zionism/

The beginning of the end of Zionism in America....

This will catch on...big.....

give it time...


Nine

[ulli]

"Without the idea of prison there would never be the idea of escape, nor of freedom.
I see my earth experience as being part of a soul energy refinement school
For me, anyway. I realize that whatever belief system anyone chooses to buy into the infinite universe will then respond with more confirmation of those belief systems. It is wired that way.
Speaking from personal observation, but don't expect anyone to believe me. "


From Ulli,

very interesting stuff....but censored...however....

Would that kind of like be ....what is going on with Christian Zionism... at least in America?

The out come of all this can be changed by how we think?

I despise the Christian Zionists...

http://www.pcusa.org/news/2014/1/21/presbyterian-network-opens-new-dialogue-zionism/

The beginning of the end of Zionism in America....

This will catch on...big.....

give it time...


Nine

The outcome will be changed by how we think, and then even more so, by how we act.
And our actions must come from personal convictions, not someone else's manipulations of us.

This takes mainly self observation, and knowing what one is doing, and why.
This is the only way to pluck out every last trace of hypocrisy one can find.

Always maintaining focus on wholeness. The overcoming of the self with a small s leads to the freeing of the Self...and that Self is reality.
This is the process, a slow process and can only be done at the individual level, and one individual at a time.
Each one is alone in this process, and even if this work is done within a group, then the group will only assist in bringing to the surface more of our own negativity, as we see flaws in others sooner than in ourselves.
But the negativity which is brought out can only be flushed by the self.

Over the years I learnt to see how all my pet peeves (Christian Zionists among them) were in reality all parts of me.
This was an idea imparted by J. Krishnamurti, and which took me a while to fathom. But of course he was right.

My own understanding of time, and of the prophecies which had influenced me and which had produced fears in me of a collective demise, all this needed to be scrutinized and transmuted.

I don't dwell any longer on which group I despise, or even want to know where to find the source of all the evil in the world.
I used to, and it instantly impacted my own life, and gave me more challenges than I could cope with.
Of course I can't escape being exposed to this information, especially being here on Avalon. But note that the keyword is "dwell". To dwell means to be stuck.

I know now that all goodness and all evil are within me and I had to simplify my life so that I could get a better overview of my inner workings.
And there are thousands of others engaged in the same process, and right here on Avalon, this is why so much is coming to the surface now in the collective, in the form of wars, and whole peoples being relocated.
Everywhere where a culture had become stuck they are now experiencing challenges which force them to make changes.
Change is the only constant in the universe, it is a universal law, but humans and their fears, and their need for security and traditions try to go against that law.
And now has come the moment where each and everyone has to face their personal Armageddon,
and they will discover that "the enemy" was in fact their own self. And then they will also discover that all energy, beyond carbon, oil and nuclear, was all along within them.

P.S. I have been aware of Wade's work since before he came to Avalon, but thanks for getting me to study his chart again.
I see it more clearly now than when I first saw it, but was already then aware that I was at level 12.
I do understand things in exactly the same way that he does...no illusions.
although have a different method of getting this message out. My way, my modem operandi.
We are all unique in our MOs even though we are also all ONE at the base level.
Our deepest roots go into the center of the earth, where they are all joined and connected.

Hopefully both GuyFox and Jake will see that their encounter here was just perfect, in the lessons it brought both of them.

[ulli]

Oh, and soon after I struggled to explain the unexplainable (self versus Self) this image showed up on Astrid's FB page...
Confirming the point I was trying to make.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10409388_653932061355579_7485840726898484642_n.png

And also a reminder that the center of the earth where our roots meet has an outer reflection point, infinite space.

[Joanne Shepard]

Abd'el Hakim Awyan called spiritual/physical awareness (Double Harmony).

He said that we can and should be striving for double harmony all the time.

Hakim was the star in Carmen Boulters (The Pyramid code), he has since gone (westing) in 2008( they had no word for dyeing)they called it westing, but to me he is still a star :)


http://khemitology.com/hakim/

[Nine]

Abd'el Hakim Awyan called spiritual/physical awareness (Double Harmony).

He said that we can and should be striving for double harmony all the time.

Hakim was the star in Carmen Boulters (The Pyramid code), he has since gone (westing) in 2008( they had no word for dyeing)they called it westing, but to me he is still a star :)


http://khemitology.com/hakim/

Yes of course I agree that those ancient monuments were very powerful but however, I was a gubernment guy and so such things fall out of "official" reality and yet it is reality...

Many realities are being challenged now and how to live with that is something that I am intensely pondering....

I look at things now as grim in that world that I described above but within my world is very healthy and very optimistic but with this caveat...I wish to protect my family from such changes and of course many in government have tickets punched to the bunkers...

I have no such ticket punched and of course there existence would be of a misery unimaginable and death would be preferable in my most humble opinion.

This kind of talk is all the rage upon that so called alternative media...death destruction and collapse and the rise of the mad max life style...

I just do not see this as the path for us even us Americans who are so dumbed down and blamed for the worlds ills...

ALL governments are controlled....and so looking for a solution there will not be fruitful....

I would suppose that living in peace in a very local community would be an answer but not the whole answer....

Much thanks to Ulli for her fine posts....

Nine

[Nine]

Dearest Ulli,

I always now as a practice google folks in peoples posts and I did a google on Krishnamurti and looked first upon his home page of his followers and then on the 'Wiki entry and I am left I might say at an obstacle of truth here....

I know that wiki is a Zionist controlled organization and with that said I am open to such truths from this man but however, I am a skeptic of such "gurus"

The truth that I see in the world is full of conspiracies, and folks with weapons and money and a plan for domination but of course I do not know at all what is going on in this world...

I am not challenging any belief system but simply asking a question....

All beliefs are in systems....as it were...

Nine

[Nine]

I would like to ask here what exactly is the belief system of the United States Military?

If marshal law is declared would they fire upon us Americans?

Who is in charge? I mean absolutely in charge?

I would say that no one is in charge....

If this does not frighten you it should...

The American government is in huge faction and our rulers are foreign and not American.

I also believe that a faction and a powerful one is executing judgment behind the sceans and of course how that plays out will be anybody's guess....

Can I ask here who did 9/11 and started 14 years of war?

World war seems to be in a privatized nature.....

It seems to me that when things are very private then great wrongs can occur.....

Public or private....the people seem to have chosen private guided by interests other than in their own interests....

Thanks...


Nine

[ulli]

Dearest Ulli,

I always now as a practice google folks in peoples posts and I did a google on Krishnamurti and looked first upon his home page of his followers and then on the 'Wiki entry and I am left I might say at an obstacle of truth here....

I know that wiki is a Zionist controlled organization and with that said I am open to such truths from this man but however, I am a skeptic of such "gurus"

The truth that I see in the world is full of conspiracies, and folks with weapons and money and a plan for domination but of course I do not know at all what is going on in this world...

I am not challenging any belief system but simply asking a question....

All beliefs are in systems....as it were...

Nine

The interesting thing about Krishnamurti is that he was doing all he could to NOT play the guru role, to which he was chosen.
He broke away from those people.
But he was a brilliant and enlightened thinker and his books sold and so inevitably a following came about regardless.
But he was never a guru in the sense that Osho was a guru, with his organisation, and people having to make major commitments.

I only ever saw him once, when I accompanied someone who was a follower, that was back in 1980. Different times then.
There were many good way showers, then as now.
People who had figured out how the universe worked, and who then wrote about it, much as some here at Avalon are doing.
Not every genius on this earth is a tool of the Illuminati, so try not to become too suspicious. Use your own judgment.

The thinker who I would have followed had he been alive was Gurdjieff...I couldn't get enough of his ideas.
Read dozens of books.
But I was never a part of any org there either. The only thing I ever joined was the Bahai Faith, which I left in 2002,
and no one hounded me afterwards, the way ex Scientology people are hounded. The Bahai Faith is not a cult; and there are no living leaders.
It is an exercise in community development, which refers to the original revelation writings for its guidance.

Apart from that one Krishnamurti talk I attended back then I read two or three books of his, and only recently saw a few Youtubes.
Basically he says we are all collectively responsible for everything that exists, as no one is distinct and separate in this world.
It took me years before the truth of that philosophy really started to gel with me.