Pope's Reign Possibly Just Shortened...

[Roisin]

I've got a really bad feeling about this one because by excommunicating everyone in the Mafia, it's definitely a move that's going to endanger the pope's life.

Pope Francis takes on the Italian mafia: ‘They are excommunicated’

Pope Francis recently did away with his bullet proof “popemobile.” Now, he’s taking on the well-armed Italian mafia by excommunicating its members.

“Those who in their life have gone along the evil ways, as in the case of the mafia, they are not with God, they are excommunicated,” the Pope said, CNN reported Saturday.

The pope’s declaration constitutes the first time a Pope has ever excommunicated members of the mob from the Catholic Church, CNN reported.

Pope Francis continued his speech by denouncing a major southern Italian crime syndicate, called ‘Ndrangheta, as an example of “the adoration of evil and contempt for the common good,” CNN reported.

In early June the pope said he wasn’t worried about losing the bulletproof glass historically provided by his security detail. “I know that something could happen to me, but it’s in the hands of God,” he said.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/21/pope-francis-takes-italian-mafia-they-are-excommun/#ixzz35JVqhhno
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[Roisin]

His demise could very easily end up being an inside job due to all of the Italian clergy who work at the Vatican who are affiliated in some way with the mafia. That is common knowledge right? He could be intentionally injected with something as relatively benign as a common influenza virus. Something like that could result in this pope fighting for his life especially because he only has one lung and is close to 80.

Also, I'm sure there are already many in the Vatican who do not have any affiliation with the Mafia who despise this pope too. But his excommunication of those in the Mafia may just give them an "out" should any of them try to poison/shoot etc him, to shorten his reign to bring in one of their own again.

[Shezbeth]

Not to mention that gives a very easy to digest explanation should something untoward happen to him. I agree that his reign may not last as a result, but this could also be a simple way of cleaning the church's hands of the whole Kevin Annett operation. Hard to prosecute a man who has been assassinated,....

"Authorities are suggesting that [the occurrence] may have been in retaliation to the Pope's recent declaration,..."

Essentially the Pope may just have been green-lit to be 'dealt' with by any who might wish to, with an ephemeral patsy organization that couldn't be pinned down in the first place.

[Roisin]

Thanks Shezbeth for "Thank-you-ing" my posts here. There may be some hope for you afterall. lol :)

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Just read your post and you've brought up some excellent points but just out the door but will comment later. One thing for sure, you've got a brilliant mind and even though I had some issues with you today, it does not take away from the fact that you usually are on the right track in your comments on this forum.

[onawah]

Perhaps the Pope has been cloned and TPTB are just setting up a new false flag event, a papal assassination, using the clone as the blood sacrifice to create lots more fear and chaos.
I suspect Francis is much too calculating to offer himself up like that, and has too much power within the Jesuit order to be coerced into such a move.
So his clone would be offed and then Francis would just retire to a comfortable, anonymous life, and be replaced by someone who can't be so easily discredited.
For two such suicidal moves to be made at once by a supposedly rational being for any natural cause seems unlikely, especially in times like these.
And I agree with Shezbeth that Kevin Annett's operation may be an underlying reason.
Wow, just a few short years ago, I would never have expected I would ever be writing something like that first sentence!
We are definitely entering the twilight zone....


Not to mention that gives a very easy to digest explanation should something untoward happen to him. I agree that his reign may not last as a result, but this could also be a simple way of cleaning the church's hands of the whole Kevin Annett operation. Hard to prosecute a man who has been assassinated,....

Essentially the Pope may just have been green-lit to be 'dealt' with by any who might wish to, with an ephemeral patsy organization that couldn't be pinned down in the first place.

[ghostrider]

this is serious , the Henoch prophecy clearly states , the trigger for the 888 days of hell on earth is when A POPE NO LONGER RESIDES IN ROME ... this is the last pope who's reign ushers in the fall of the catholic church and there is bloodshed in the streets ...if a man steals a loaf of bread he/she will lose their life , one third of man dies , one third of trees burnt up , one third of ocean life dies , disease outbreak , the army of the west rises against the army of the east , an economic collapse where nothing can be bought or sold anymore , stuff right out of the book of Revelation ... The point my dear crew members is , whether you believe Revelations or not the PTB believe it ... The angel Gabriel , Enoch ( Henoch) , Jeremiah , Daniel , John , Immanuel , Mohammad - ALL wrote and spoke about this timeline , a period of suffering on earth like she's never seen or ever will see ... Yes the same spirit form keeps coming to earth different bodies with the same message/warnings over and over ...to institute a new era , the old one must crash ...cause and effect , problem-reaction-solution , pick one , the death of this pope is the trigger , Quetzal's final words about the Henoch prophecies given to mankind AGAIN in 1950's , and published again in 1987 ...http://theyfly.com/The-Henoch-Prophicies.html

[ghostrider]

I'll play the movie forward for you ... SCENE 1- The pope killed by Mafia , outcry from followers , bloodshed in the streets , economic collapse , the punishment for stealing food is death , an unbelievable catastrophe strikes ...Then how are the millions of catholic disciples going to respond if or when a criminal Mafia kills the pope in broad daylight and the world leaders do nothing but form special commtees to talk about it ??? SCENE 2 the world is entangled in a global religious War and blood flows in the streets as high as the shoulder of a horse ... SCENE 3 - Hillary is president =Russia and China attack America= limited nuclear War = hailstones of fire fall from the sky, 1/3rd of earth's humans die , 1/3rd of the trees burnt up , 1/3rd of the ocean life dies ... intermission ... Brought to you by the plejaren ET spirit form that inhabited Nokodemjon-Henoch-Isaiah-Jeremiah-Ezekiel-Immanuel-Mohammad-Beam- the same message but we are not paying attention with our ears to hear but do not hear , eyes to see but do not see , loving our money at the root of all Evil , looking for a savior instead of looking in the mirror ... I can't get it out of my head , the information Edward Meier gives is the same message as all the prophets of old , and our world is following the script right down to the last detail ...http://theyflyblog.com/and-fanatics-warriors-islam/06/19/2014

[GuyFox]

He's really shaking things up - shades of JFK / and RFK

(I hope I am wrong in thinking: I know how this story ends)

[Roisin]

Holy Smokes! It looks like Shezbeth's predictions are only the tip of the iceberg because, as indicated by those other comments here, there are many other possible scenario's that this current event could either indicate as to what's already going on or what's in store for the future via prophecy from one source or another.

Much to chew on here but one thing is clear, a lot is happening now wrt to this pope and the vatican. So buckle up your seat belts because we're in for a bumpy ride no matter which way this story unfolds.

[ghostrider]

He's really shaking things up - shades of JFK / and RFK

(I hope I am wrong in thinking: I know how this story ends)

that was my first thought , we have the making of a JFK event , that might lead to all out religious WAR ... thanks for the convergence

[GuyFox]

Something big is stirring under the surface.
Some of the big picture is starting to come together.
I am thinking of how and when to start a thread about it - maybe later today.

But I need to see it just a bit more clearly first

[ghostrider]

Holy Smokes! It looks like Shezbeth's predictions are only the tip of the iceberg because, as indicated by those other comments here, there are many other possible scenario's that this current event could either indicate as to what's already going on or what's in store for the future via prophecy from one source or another.

Much to chew on here but one thing is clear, a lot is happening now wrt to this pope and the vatican. So buckle up your seat belts because we're in for a bumpy ride no matter which way this story unfolds.

the reign or deaths of popes has since their inception always had ET's full attention , they always track that position and record and document everything down to the last dot ... I read about them stopping a mission and crossing dimensions to be preset in key moments of the popes activities , imagine , 3,500 light years away on a particular task and they say wait a second got to run over to earth be right back , bang a fraction of a second from another dimension to track what this guy does and view it first hand and record it and put it in the storage blocks of history , like the Akashic Records etc ...Religion brought nothing but war and is forbidden on their planets , they have lived in peace for 49,000 years since tossing religion out ... I surmise the knowledge of self and spirit is more important than we know , and religion with it's leaders is the cause for war and the separation from truth about our inner most being ..

[Roisin]

But onawah's comments make a lot of sense to me too because it's always been a complete mystery to me how this man was elected to the papacy in the first place. That he's been making making so many UNPRECEDENTED changes in the first year of it, automatically is raising so many red flags, I can hardly keep track of them. But because it's all going along with "if it's too good to be true, then it's not true", I'm strongly sensing that something is "off" here. Just saying that that is my gut feeling and this coming from a Catholic!

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Just saying that it took me awhile to catch onto this but this is how I feel now. Something is not right.

[ghostrider]

choosing the final pope was no small task , his actions are key to the world waking up totally and sounding a universal alarm clock = time to get up and go to work , within our Milkyway galaxy are 2,630,000 Et human civilizations are waiting for us to find peace , then introduce themselves and help us do the work to fix our broken little blue paradise called Terra ... the pope has great influence over the world , he could change everything by speaking from his heart , even if it cost him his life and sets in motion the final extinction/Revolution of TRUTH ... the thinking of humanity will do the rest ... this is THE thread , the pope is the trigger for spiritual awakening/or darkness rising on Earth ...fulfilling the Book of Revelations/ Henoch prophecies ... everyone wants to know when , what , where , how , the beginning rest in the hands of the death of the last pope who no longer resides in ROME ...

[Ellisa]

I have read the various prophesies that all seem to agree with future conflict in Europe-- especially Italy. This then spreads to Russia but is stopped for all time with a massive battle in which Russia is victorious. The Pope has taken away the protective glass in his car, has moved among us ordinary people and so on recently, all risky things to do.

Of course it is impossible to rely on prophesies as facts because they can only be proved once they happen! But irritating the Mafia and lessening protection is at the very least an interesting move, and not one I would take! But then I do not believe in a god who will protect me and I suppose the Pope does.

[Roisin]

choosing the final pope was no small task , his actions are key to the world waking up totally and sounding a universal alarm clock = time to get up and go to work , within our Milkyway galaxy are 2,630,000 Et human civilizations are waiting for us to find peace , then introduce themselves and help us do the work to fix our broken little blue paradise called Terra ... the pope has great influence over the world , he could change everything by speaking from his heart , even if it cost him his life and sets in motion the final extinction/Revolution of TRUTH ... the thinking of humanity will do the rest ... this is THE thread , the pope is the trigger for spiritual awakening/or darkness rising on Earth ...fulfilling the Book of Revelations/ Henoch prophecies ... everyone wants to know when , what , where , how , the beginning rest in the hands of the death of the last pope who no longer resides in ROME ...


And to think lil'ol me started up this thread when that wasn't supposed to even happen because I was waiting for someone else.. anyone else to start up this topic instead. But that never happened so I had to push aside all of my inferiority complexes about having the gumption to start it up myself because too much time had passed already where I didn't think it was going to happen.

Anyhoo... no question about it, but this pope must either have a death wish or something else is going on that's along the line of either what onawah said, or a JFK thing... or, the inexplicable; a prophecy that's about to be fulfilled. Which ever way it goes, it's going rank right up there as an event for the ages.

Sometimes I get upset that I'm living at a time where too many changes are taking place .. too fast. Very easy to lose ones bearings when those changes seem to be always so monumental in scale like they have been... but please spare me from listing all of them. However, having said this, the bottom line is, nothing surprises me anymore and, in this case, with the pope and vatican, it's all just another thing that one has to ride along with... LIFE. I don't think it's ever been like this and here I'm saying since the beginning of recorded history. Note to self: the Vatican Library. Now's the time to keep a close eye on it!

[doodah]

This Pope is talking and acting the kind of change Americans thought Obama meant.

But I'm wondering, can any of you posting on this thread imagine, find, or create any prophecy that is not death and destruction? This planet has been locked onto the End Times prophecy-story forever. Why is a whole planet acting out this particular story as if there is no alternative?

I've been wondering about this in relation to the direction that most fiction of all kinds (movie, TV, books) has been heading in for quite a while. It's all death and destruction, invasion by evil, machine culture, slavery, war, murder, rape, pillage, technology gone wild, planetary death. There are almost no positive visions of the future being offered (there are a few but that is not the majority). As far as I can tell, this trend is a reaffirmation of the End Times prophecies that the whole planet has been trapped in for thousands of years. But consider ... cannot someone think and write a different ending to this story? Are we totally without positive creative imagination?

Everyone must leave the room when they do the experiments at CERN because the thoughts of people influence the outcome of the experiments. This applies to all of us as we think about things in the world. We are all quantum beings - what is true at CERN is true for all of us, right now.

IMHO, this is what "waking up" is all about: remembering that we do not have to be trapped in this story unless we consciously or unconsciously choose to be trapped in it. Some of us are here to change the matrix, so let's change the prophecy. I'll choose that the Pope's call for reforms is successful against all odds and that ancient history no longer has control of the present and future on this planet.

[Roisin]

An optimist, finally, Thank you very much Doodah! And I should also add, thanks to you, I may just get a good nights sleep. :) What you are saying may be entirely wrong but then on the other hand, you could be right too. For the moment... I'll go with you being right on this and once again... thanks.:p

[Rocky_Shorz]

what if the Papal key video is right, the jig is up...

now good is brushing off the shackles...

I was just looking into this, my seer traveled out with the blue dude, there are ships on the back side of the moon...

the beings have a silver glitter like skin, the body covered in a black suit...

link to video (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70263-Benjamin-Fulford-April-8-2014&p=845938&viewfull=1#post845938)

if each of the planets were released, and Earth is the final one, we might be at the point of change the video was sharing, good needs to be good, or grapes of wrath time...

the video was about deceptions, and the veils disappearing...

I had the Vector chemtrail in the sky one after another today... V

[Roisin]

Woo hoo! Just when I thought I was going to get a good nights sleep, you come along with yet another "possibility" to examine concerning what happened today. Will watch it though because losing sleep is not anything new to me especially when there are more important matters to attend to. Thanks for that link! :)

[GuyFox]

This Pope is talking and acting the kind of change Americans thought Obama meant.

But I'm wondering, can any of you posting on this thread imagine, find, or create any prophecy that is not death and destruction? This planet has been locked onto the End Times prophecy-story forever. ...

Yes, I can imagine one.
And there are some (encouraging) signs that it may be coming together.

We need to address the Causes of War.
Er, ah, mainly greed - the greed of powerful psychopaths

[Earth Angel]

maybe he should have started by excommunicating all the paedophile priests??

[GuyFox]

How does one identify them?

[Frederick Jackson]

And a related strong pronouncement by this Pope just the other day on the unsustainability of the present world economy, an economy based on greed and consumerism. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72342-Pope-states-world-economy-in-danger-of-imminent-collapseAs strong as his condemnation of the Mafia, but affecting here the PTB (as well as all humanity). What's next, condemning child abuse in the Church? Indeed, and interesting thread.

[ghostrider]

The plejaren say predictions are cosmic events that cannot be changed , prophecy on the other hand can be changed , it just shows the possible outcome if things stay the same , it's the whole reason they give the prophecies , so we can change our thinking and thereby change the outcome to a better reality for earth mankind ...

[GuyFox]

This Pope is talking and acting the kind of change Americans thought Obama meant.

But I'm wondering, can any of you posting on this thread imagine, find, or create any prophecy that is not death and destruction? This planet has been locked onto the End Times prophecy-story forever. ...

Yes, I can imagine one.
And there are some (encouraging) signs that it may be coming together.

We need to address the Causes of War.
Er, ah, mainly greed - the greed of powerful psychopaths

Gulp!
Well, here it goes!:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72416-Connecting-some-significant-Dots.-How-real-are-my-hopeful-signs

See what you think of these Encouraging "Signs"

[MargueriteBee]

ha! does he mean the US government?


I've got a really bad feeling about this one because by excommunicating everyone in the Mafia, it's definitely a move that's going to endanger the pope's life.

Pope Francis takes on the Italian mafia: ‘They are excommunicated’

Pope Francis recently did away with his bullet proof “popemobile.” Now, he’s taking on the well-armed Italian mafia by excommunicating its members.

“Those who in their life have gone along the evil ways, as in the case of the mafia, they are not with God, they are excommunicated,” the Pope said, CNN reported Saturday.

The pope’s declaration constitutes the first time a Pope has ever excommunicated members of the mob from the Catholic Church, CNN reported.

Pope Francis continued his speech by denouncing a major southern Italian crime syndicate, called ‘Ndrangheta, as an example of “the adoration of evil and contempt for the common good,” CNN reported.

In early June the pope said he wasn’t worried about losing the bulletproof glass historically provided by his security detail. “I know that something could happen to me, but it’s in the hands of God,” he said.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/21/pope-francis-takes-italian-mafia-they-are-excommun/#ixzz35JVqhhno
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

[Shezbeth]

How does one identify them?

They're the ones in the vatican with the white collars.

Sorry, slightly off topic humor.

:focus:

[Ellisa]

Is that true about thoughts and experiments doodah? I find it hard to believe, but it could be that the Pope, a religious person I suppose, could believe in some of what is predicted to happen. And it's not very nice! So maybe he is trying to disempower the Mafia with spiritual threats. He obviously thinks excommunication is very important and expects the Mafia to feel the same way. To me it seems a bit like spell casting-- but there you are! Such threats are only harmful if you believe in them. The churches and religions generally have enough beliefs, prophesies and traditions to scare their followers with-- and I hope this is all that is happening here. I agree woth those who suggest the Pope may be ill, or at least failing a litle. He looks puffy in the face. It really would be a dreadful burden being in his shoes. Imagine being infallible!

I fing the CERN thing amazing and am about to find out more!

[spiritguide]

Conjecture is rampant about what is up with the present pope. Some times we try to read between the lines of messeges instead of the messege. Maybe, just maybe the pope has the valor to address evil head on. Faith is not religion, it comes from the heart in knowing what is right for the common good. Excommunication is basically telling those who are not Christ like to leave and stop saying you are, we do not need you or want your foul spirits. At least one man on earth is speaking truth to power and calling it the scourge it is and that is valor, not suicidal in my vision. The swine will be driven off the cliff.

Peace!

[betoobig]

Hello everybody.... let me share with you a dream i had...only my wife knows about it:
I was in the Vatican and someone was telling me about the reptilians in there.... they gave me a transparent stone with a logo on it, they told me that was kind of a gun, it shoot rays that hurmfull the reptilians... then the pope Francis came in and i pointed the stone towars him, the one who was talking to me said "stop, don´t shoot at him, he is an insider"....

The dream was lucid, a few days after that i found a similar stone (smaller that the one of the dream) and i cuoldn´t stop from buying it, i made the marks or logo i saw in the dream.
Here you have a picture of it... sorry i´m new don´t find how to post the image... sorry

[betoobig]

the stone is transparent quartz and the logo on it are two circles united with two paralel lines

[betoobig]

26139

here is the image... still don´t know if i am doing rigth...(the photo and the post)
Anyway ... love from Spain

[araucaria]

How does one identify them?

They're the ones in the vatican with the white collars.

Sorry, slightly off topic humor.
:focus:



Not off-topic, just a little off-colour (too black and white). None of us are entirely what we seem. Where did you put that 'brilliant mind' of yours?
;)

[Roisin]

Is that true about thoughts and experiments doodah? I find it hard to believe, but it could be that the Pope, a religious person I suppose, could believe in some of what is predicted to happen. And it's not very nice! So maybe he is trying to disempower the Mafia with spiritual threats. He obviously thinks excommunication is very important and expects the Mafia to feel the same way. To me it seems a bit like spell casting-- but there you are! Such threats are only harmful if you believe in them. The churches and religions generally have enough beliefs, prophesies and traditions to scare their followers with-- and I hope this is all that is happening here. I agree woth those who suggest the Pope may be ill, or at least failing a litle. He looks puffy in the face. It really would be a dreadful burden being in his shoes. Imagine being infallible!

I fing the CERN thing amazing and am about to find out more!

Interesting insights on this and thanks for sharing! I think another thing is, if they are excommunicated from the Church, then that means that they can't go to confession anymore to be absolved of their sins to then start off with a new slate.

I'm guessing though that most of those goons in the Mafia are not the least bit religious but do qualify in the area of being Cultural Catholics where excommunication will basically result in the elimination of that facet of their own self-identity. The psychological and social ramifications of that could be devastating for someone who's a leader of their community where being a devout Catholic has been an important part of the whole package.

[Roisin]

26139

here is the image... still don´t know if i am doing rigth...(the photo and the post)
Anyway ... love from Spain

Coincidences abound because last night, I viewed a video that Rocky Shorz mentioned in this thread yesterday as something that we should check out. It's called "The Lie NASA Told: The Imminent Demise of the NWO"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c69vZyE74Zg

Well, what's interesting about this is that in the movie, they talk about NASA images that are showing what the authors of this movie are calling cables that are running from the Sun into other area's in space including connections to planets and stars. (that section starts at 8:25)

As for the video's connection to the topic of this thread, well, we were talking about various prophecies having to do with the Church and end world scenario's.
For various reasons, without going into it at this present time, the video is very hard to follow but here you are talking about your dream having to do with the pope and a crystal with that symbol on it... a symbol that automatically reminded me of those cables they are showing in that vid. and how they run from the sun and are connected to various places in the universe including planets.

So that's what I'm seeing in that symbol at this current time and, to me, it's a coincidence that a part of that video correlates, at least in a visual way, to your crystal with that symbol on it.

Thanks for sharing! Very interesting! :)

[Roisin]

Conjecture is rampant about what is up with the present pope. Some times we try to read between the lines of messeges instead of the messege. Maybe, just maybe the pope has the valor to address evil head on. Faith is not religion, it comes from the heart in knowing what is right for the common good. Excommunication is basically telling those who are not Christ like to leave and stop saying you are, we do not need you or want your foul spirits. At least one man on earth is speaking truth to power and calling it the scourge it is and that is valor, not suicidal in my vision. The swine will be driven off the cliff.

Peace!

Thanks for pointing that out. What you are saying, needed to be said and thanks again for your input.

[Roisin]

The plejaren say predictions are cosmic events that cannot be changed , prophecy on the other hand can be changed , it just shows the possible outcome if things stay the same , it's the whole reason they give the prophecies , so we can change our thinking and thereby change the outcome to a better reality for earth mankind ...

You've presented a lot of fascinating information in this thread and today I'm going to read over your links and study that material. Will comment later on that information after I review everything over. :)

[waves]

.....within our Milkyway galaxy are 2,630,000 Et human civilizations are waiting for us to find peace , .... .....

This statement has such finality and specificity. Exactly how did you become absolutely sure that this is fact?

[Snookie]

I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but frankly, I don't think the Mafia gives a crap about being excommunicated.

They, along with the pedophile priests know what a sham organized religion is...that it was invented for the express purpose of keeping the masses in a state of fear and under control.

I'm not saying, however that this announcement will not be "used" by the former PTB for their agenda, whatever that agenda might be.

[ghostrider]

.....within our Milkyway galaxy are 2,630,000 Et human civilizations are waiting for us to find peace , .... .....

This statement has such finality and specificity. Exactly how did you become absolutely sure that this is fact?
Because my friend that is the way it has been done for over 12 billion years ... you don't pet the pitbull until it has been has been house broken and know it won't bite you ... the ancestors of the sons of heaven still come to earth and for over 72 years have been helping us here and there ... five years of study on my part , they have been 100 percent right in their predictions ...

[ghostrider]

search out the path for yourself , everything is connected and goes way back to over 12 billion years ago and doesn't even come from our Universe ...http://www.theyfly.com/ http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Main_Paghttp://www.meiersaken.info/Contact_persons.htmle http://www.meiersaken.info/ corrupt leaders from ET's home world 50,000 years ago , along with 200 scientist and 70,000 people stole a spaceship which they took by force and came to mars then to earth ... they brought religion to earth , posing as creators of creation ... ET's try to undo this by bringing spiritual teaching to earth , the same message brought in different bodies =Henoch-Ezekiel-Isaiah-Jeremiah-Immanuel-Mohammad-Beam , but each time mankind corrupts the teaching , and follows an insane leader , on the path to war over the lust for power and control ... The point is the pope considered the earth religious leader , a trigger for prophecy to occur or be changed , the choice is up to us ...

[Wind]

The new pope just seems like a decent guy, there's no way around it. He just doesn't give me the creepy vibes like the pope Ratsinger did.

[Roisin]

I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but frankly, I don't think the Mafia gives a crap about being excommunicated.

They, along with the pedophile priests know what a sham organized religion is...that it was invented for the express purpose of keeping the masses in a state of fear and under control.

I'm not saying, however that this announcement will not be "used" by the former PTB for their agenda, whatever that agenda might be.

I'm thinking along the line that due to this decision by the Pope to excommunicate them, this may interfere in some way wrt to their accessibility to various channels within the financial structure of the Vatican that they have been operating in and profiting in for close to 2 centuries now...if not longer.

But I'm just speaking off the top of my head where whatever thoughts I have on this are based on what's been showing up in the news every now and then having to do with the corruption of the Vatican bank and its Mafia connections.

This pope is also currently in the process of a total revamp of the Vatican's bank too so that complicates matters wrt this Pope and the Mafia even more.

If the Mafia is going to be losing money on any of this, then there's a good chance that they will retaliate as that's their mentality. Therefore, based on what I've been reading, there seems to be a lot of concern about all of this among experts of the Vatican.

[ghostrider]

Religious thinking destroyed a galaxy in sons of heavens time space ... brought War to many worlds ... The pope could do the right thing and help change the world ... If he is killed , then the worlds of Henoch ( Enoch) could not be any clearer ...

[raregem]

Since we all KNOW that TPTW are calculating to the smallest of details...I say this is a ruse.
To subliminally put before the public this distraction of excommunicating ALL mobsters...now the pedophilia issue is ignored. To excommunicate mobsters (who btw have held up the church financially and otherwise -for time immemorial) makes no sense. If, it was for the purpose of building belief in the church again...hmmm...just no sense here. Wouldn't this have been done ages ago?

[joeecho]

or.....it could all be well organized propaganda designed to distract.

The pope is a large figure for many on the world stage, look for something else brewing in the background that will have a bigger impact on the populous then the obvious story here and it's implications.

There is a desire by the PTB to pull off the biggest con the world has yet to see. This will pull in the greatest percentage of converts to date in history to the ruse.

Any story surrounding the pope will be child's play in comparison to what is coming....

[Ellisa]

Spiritguide- You state that faith is not religion.In my opinion religions of any sort cannot exist without faith. The beliefs can be codified and imposed by headquarters from authorities, and followers can be punished or rewarded for their reception of the formal beliefs of their religion. But faith is what comes from the person themselves. It lights up their thoughts, it gives them strength to carry on, and it is faith that is harnessed by every charismatic leader of religions or states, and also every performer on stage, TV and film. They all excite knowing the response they seek, and it is the foundation of success for religions just as much as political leaders and pop stars. All produce fanatics!

When faith colludes with political belief history, as well as current events, proves that dogmatic faith in the correctness of their own beliefs is quickly converted into conflict. I think humans like to be right--- and we all know that we are, ourselves, the ones who 'know the truth'. Unfortunately this strong faith, often anchored in religion, has been the cause of many wars.

This is a digression from the topic for which I apologise. I still wonder why the Pope has taken on the Mafia. It is puzzling, though apparently he did take on the gangs in the favellas (sp?) of,I think), Argentina, successfully, so lets hope he is successful here too.

[Frederick Jackson]

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here is the image... still don´t know if i am doing rigth...(the photo and the post)
Anyway ... love from Spain

I just saw something very much like this image tonight on an internet program having to do with the Cygnus constellation and the dark rift in the Milky Way. What is was was a Blackfoot Indian "shield" that the author of the video thought might be intended to represent the dark rift (our ecliptic going through the dark rift was the basis for the long count of the Mayan calendar, and this last occurred on Dec. 21, 20`12). Hmm, interesting!!!!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

How does one identify them?

They're the ones in the vatican with the white collars.

Sorry, slightly off topic humor.

:focus:

kwEuOTR-sqA

[joeecho]

[QUOTE=GuyFox;846223]How does one identify them?

They're the ones in the vatican with the white collars.

Sorry, slightly off topic humor.

:focus:

DELIGHTFUL CLIP!

[risveglio]

The new pope just seems like a decent guy, there's no way around it. He just doesn't give me the creepy vibes like the pope Ratsinger did.

Seems that way to me too but clueless on economics and the drug war, but that is true for of a lot of decent guys.

[Roisin]

Informative article that was published today....

Pope Francis May Be Risking His Life by Taking on the Mafia


When the pontiff denounced the “evil” of Italy’s mafias he was sending a message to complicit priests as well as mobsters. The dons are getting nervous, and dangerous.

ROME, Italy — When Sicilian Mafia superboss Bernardo Provenzano was nabbed in a little farmhouse near Corleone, Sicily, in April 2006 after 43 years on the lam, police found one of his five Bibles especially interesting. Among the worn Catholic prayer cards and tattered photos of Jesus Christ stuffed between the pages, Provenzano had written a secret code, including dots, arrows and other notations he used to guide the Cosa Nostra from his secret hideout to kill, threaten, extort and rob.

Provenzano, a devout Catholic who reportedly watched Mass on television or listened to it on the radio every day, had also underlined and retyped scores of passages from both the Old and New Testament, including several from the Book of Revelation, including one (17:7) that implied he was doing God's work: "For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled."

Provenzano was hardly the first Mafioso to hide behind his Catholic faith. There has always been a close connection between the Catholic Church and mafia-style organized crime syndicates, especially in the small villages of southern Italy where local priests often are complicit in criminal activity, either by doling out sacred forgiveness for heinous crimes or acting as character witnesses for the most unworthy criminals.

Mobster hideouts often are plastered with Catholic icons, including rosaries, crucifixes and statues of the Virgin Mary. But on Saturday, when Pope Francis visited the epicenter of the ‘Ndrangheta criminal gangland in Calabria, he made it clear that organized crime had to end, calling the ‘Ndrangheta’s activity an “adoration of evil and contempt for the common good.”

“If the godfathers can find a way to stop him, they will seriously consider it.”

Deviating from his prepared script, Francis repeated his previous condemnation of criminal activity, telling a crowd of 200,000 faithful that those who are involved in mafia-style organized crime gangs should consider themselves excommunicated immediately (though the papal spokesman was quick to clarify that excommunication is a legal act and the pope’s words did not reflect a change in Canon law on the matter).

"Those who in their lives follow this path of evil, as mafiosi do, are not in communion with God. They are excommunicated,” said the Pope. “This evil must be fought against. It must be pushed aside. We must say no to it.”

Francis’s message was not just meant for the gangsters. John Dickie, professor of Italian studies at University College London and author of several books on Italian organized crime including the recent Mafia Republic, told The Daily Beast that the pope was talking to the priests, too.

“The real audience of Pope Francis’s message was the local church,” Dickie told The Daily Beast. “There is a very long history of silence and complicity with the Catholic Church and the Mafia. For years many priests have been happy to allow the Mafia to dress themselves up as upstanding members of communities.”

Now, Dickie says, the church is distancing itself from the perceived alliance. The move started with John Paul II, who was the first pope to ever use the word “mafia” when he denounced the Sicilian Cosa Nostra at a Mass in Agrigento in 1993. Before that, the Church had largely turned a blind eye to the criminal gangs, even denying in some cases that the Mafia existed at all.

John Paul II’s words had two significant impacts. A handful of Mafiosi serving sentences in Italian prisons started cooperating with the police, becoming “pentiti” or turncoats. But the Mafia also took its revenge, setting off bombs in Rome, Florence and Milan that killed ten people. The attacks targeted cultural entities like the Uffizi in Florence, and also hit the basilica of San Giovanni in Rome—John Paul II’s titular church.

So far, there has been no retaliation or direct threat against Francis, who continues to defy his security detail by refusing to use the bullet-proof popemobile in crowds. But in November 2013, Nicola Gratteri, a leading anti-mafia prosecutor in Calabria admitted that Pope Francis was making criminals “very nervous,” warning that the pope’s hard line against organized crime could put him in danger.

In an interview with Il Fatto Quotidiano newspaper, Gratteri, who lives under constant police protection for his own anti-Mafia work, said the pope should be cautious. “If the godfathers can find a way to stop him, they will seriously consider it,” Gratteri said. “Those who have up until now profited from the influence and wealth drawn from the church are getting very nervous. For many years, the mafia has laundered money and made investments with the complicity of the church.”


Reform-minded Francis has not been afraid to tackle the Vatican’s burgeoning problems, including clearing out the least effective members of the Curia and firing the entire board of the Vatican Bank. But ministering to the mob might be more challenging. “A gunman from the ‘Ndrangheta will pray and kiss his rosary before shooting someone,” Gratteri says. It will likely take more than a threat from Rome to change the mindset of a mafioso.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/23/pope-francis-may-be-risking-his-life-by-taking-on-the-mafia.html

[Snookie]

I thought this was a good place to insert this clip about Bob's visit to the Vatican. According to him, they are not nearly as powerful as they want everyone to think.....

http://halkinnaman.com/ed/audio_rr/vatican_suitcase.mp3

Fascinating!

[Snookie]

This announcement by the pope was made shortly after two more deaths in the financial community. The first one was James S McDonald who it is claimed committed suicide - without leaving a note :rolleyes: he worked for the Rockefeller financial empire.

The second one was of Dr Richard Rockefeller, the 65 yr old son of David Rockefeller who died on Friday the 13th of June in a mysterious plane crash, after visiting his dad on his 99th birthday.

I tend to agree with Joseph P Farrell who says in his "NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM JUNE 19 2014" that this could be a war being waged between certain factions of the financial world.
http://gizadeathstar.com

I can't help think this announcement by the pope is related in some way, and is some type of "message or signal" to people in the know.

[Roisin]

I'm wondering about that too and thanks for posting that information! Will check it out! Nothing ever happens in isolation....