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Skywizard
23rd June 2014, 22:35
http://media.washtimes.com/media/image/2013/06/18/roswell-alien_s640x437.jpg?0b3c56ae09cce99e3ed6854568a9f1d389f85d9c
By Meredith Somers-The Washington Times


Philosophers and scientists, believers and atheists, have long pondered the question,
“Are we alone in the universe?”

But theologian Robin Lovin knows what he would say to people wondering how to take the news of extraterrestrial life.

“This discovery is a reminder of what we should all have known all along,” said Mr. Lovin, director of research at the Center for Theological Inquiry in Princeton, New Jersey. “God is doing things in places that our minds have not been able to go.”

Mr. Lovin shared that message with an audience at the Library of Congress’ John W. Kluge Center during a panel discussion to consider the impact of alien, intelligent life on religion.

“I think it’s very important [that] religious communities proactively address these questions and show themselves concerned about these issues,” he said. “Because people are raising these questions, and I think [they] want to see them as moral and spiritual queries — that it isn’t just a question about biology, but a question about themselves.”

The universe is an enormous place, too vast for life not to exist somewhere else, said Steven Dick, chairman in astrobiology at the Library of Congress.

“I think the underlying principle is, the laws of physics and biology are universal,” Mr. Dick said. “What has happened here is likely to have happened out there. The idea of life out there is very much at the forefront. The question is what are the implications.”

Despite initial concerns that some people of faith would suffer a crisis of faith if life on another planet were discovered, studies have shown that’s probably not going to be the case, Mr. Lovin said.

In 2008, Ted Peters, distinguished research professor of Systematic Theology at Pacific Lutheran Theological Seminary, surveyed 1,325 people of various religions, asking a series of questions relating their beliefs and a crisis of faith to a hypothetical announcement that extraterrestrial life had been discovered.

Citing that study, Mr. Peters said the message he received from respondents is that people who belong to traditional religions are “going to be just fine” if alien life comes along.

“I got comments such as ‘Earth is so small, God is so big, we would expect to have neighbors in space,’” Mr. Peters said. “My favorite quote was ‘I’d share a pew with an alien any day.’”



Full Story: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/19/existence-of-aliens-unlikely-to-shake-humans-faith/?page=1



peace...

apokalypse
23rd June 2014, 23:14
i stop reading when i saw that sentence "“Are we alone in the universe?”...

Matt P
24th June 2014, 00:26
i stop reading when i saw that sentence "“Are we alone in the universe?”...

Well I think it's a relevant question as posed to the majority, who are unaware of the actual reality. Those "Philosophers and scientists, believers and atheists" are those that are part of the fake reality control matrix mostly. As is this writer and this "news"paper. While folks here at Avalon have long since processed these questions, the average Joe, not yet in the know, will have to go through it. And so I think this could be a positive sign that truth is trickling out.

Matt

Carmody
24th June 2014, 01:44
The switch-over happens fast.

We are in the middle point. All the arguing, spitting, hitting and fighting has been done, that part is over.

Now comes the presentation of the reality... and the "oh, I knew that sh!t, no big deal" bit from the general public, as if it is the new normal.

Very much like the five stages of loss/grief, we're moving into stage 3-4-5, overall, as a group.

G_Z3lmidmrY

ghostrider
24th June 2014, 02:48
The question , Are we alone in the universe ? had to first be said , written , thought about , debated , put down , picked up, talked about around the water cooler , in lunchrooms , at schools , at the backyard cookout , etc ... Then written about in papers , books , all types of media ... movies made , TV specials , documentaries ... IT IS the idea that was planted into the consciousness of man , much like the world isn't flat idea of the past ... what the mind can't handle it won't perceive ... go back in time and try to explain cell phones to the Vikings , they have no frame of reference , they would need to understand electricity , then dishes and towers , they wouldn't perceive it even if we ALL showed them ... so let the statements be made , let questions be asked ... The mind won't accept what it can't handle or perceive ... if your faith is strong , the existence of other people in the universe should bother anyone ...

sigma6
24th June 2014, 03:27
I doubt it, I think it would be the exact opposite... It would make the "Universe" come alive. Think about how much time, money, energy and resources is being used by an elite super rich to create the false reality that we currently live in. Which also happens to be the same source of a great deal of evil, falsehood, satanic crime, etc... WAR AND DEATH for profit...

Part of this propaganda is that we have been bombarded with the "lonely rock in the middle of infinity" and the "Vatican is GOD" routine for centuries... an entity that just happens to absorb TRILLIONS in taxes from all the commonwealth countries of the world (with the latest sucker country set up to be "taxed" being Iraq...)

i.e. I think IT WAS ALWAYS Propaganda from the very start... There is no proof any of this was ever the true thoughts and feelings of the people... So basically ANYTHING would be a step up from that, wouldn't it?... Truth will always ring louder and stand more solid, compared to a false reality. No comparison imo. People would "adapt" within weeks and months as fast as the information spread... In a few years people would deny they ever believed something so stupid... haha

ghostrider
24th June 2014, 03:48
ET contact has been going on for numerous years , cave paintings , pyramid walls , ancient paintings , depict the presence of ET's throughout history , and people still get up and go to churches of all kinds ... Ezekiel wrote about spaceships but , church wasn't invented yet ...

sirdipswitch
24th June 2014, 12:01
Most people think we're nuts, cuz they know full well that ETs' are not real. Mass hysteria... end of story.

ulli
24th June 2014, 12:35
A lot of churchgoing people believe in ET. And I was active in the Bahai community for 19 years,
and that religion actually mentions ET in their Holy Writings. Stephen Greer, who is a Baha'i said he joined the Baha'i Faith precisely because they believe in ET.

"Know thou that every star has it's own planets, and every planet it's own creatures, the number of which no man can compute" ~Baha'u'llah

Religions usually have an original revelation, and the rest is interpretation by clergy. This needs to be kept in mind, and distinguished.
The evil and deception in this world is mostly dispersed by clergymen.

felixq78
24th June 2014, 13:51
In my mind good rational thinking should challenge religion and its whacky dogma. Anyone who thinks critically should have realised that religion has a lot to answer for. Of course this doesn't question the concept of our spiritual nature and our connection to the creator.

AriG
24th June 2014, 17:27
These "panels" of elitists determining whether full disclosure is wise for the poor helpless little people who need talismans to make it through their day, makes my blood boil. Firstly, the truth is the truth. Religion is not really truth. Religion is belief. There is no real truth in religion. There is subjectivity in religion. There are three types of truth (and only one is to be accepted as "gospel"): (1) Evidentiary (2) Testimonial and (3) Personal. Religion relies upon my points 2 and 3. Extraterrestrial life is evidentiary.

To even suggest that it is acceptable to contemplate reactions to disclosure is an affront to humanity. We did not collectively sign over our decision making to people who were hired to manage our cities' budgets and pave the roads. It is not "their" decision to make. Their suppression of fact is criminal and should not be tolerated and we, especially those of us on this forum, should be calling foul to such a panel.

That said, the sheer existence of the panel is again evidentiary of extraterrestrial beings in our presence.

In other words @holes, I think we can handle it. It is you who cannot.

Rocky_Shorz
24th June 2014, 17:37
the reason aliens are so interested in earth Isn't because we are different than the other million planets, it is because we create miracles from our beliefs, They won't change our beliefs, but would like to share it with other worlds...

Jake
24th June 2014, 17:50
I believe that the answer is Yes,, it will challenge religious faith(s). I do not believe that just because there is a challenge, that somehow 'faith' will be destroyed... Peoples religious faith changes over the years, anyways. Challenges are okay.

IMHO, each of the perspective religious faith will have to approach it in an open and responsible way. (Which will be a challenge in, and of, itself.) A soul is not Human! Many faiths have not had to let it sink in, so they simply have not dealt with it. The addition of ETs to the paradigm would most likely bring out a debate regarding the 'souls' of ETs. (And the inevitable realization that a soul is neither human, nor ET...) And then, of course the (inevitable) realization that a 'soul' is eternal, without regards a physical/earthlike existence.

Which, in my opinion, would upset Religious Faith because there would be a (an inevitable) shift in attitude with regards the concept of 'worship', vs the concept of being a free sovereign being. I believe that Jesus core teachings had more to do with freedom and sovereignty. The governments/religions of the time found a clever way to deal with it. They turned him into a God.... (Council of Nycea, 325AD) A crowd of worshipers can be controlled,,, a crowd of freethinking, sovereign beings CANNOT be controlled. The Elite have controlled humanity through religion for longo time now. The ET reality is going to challenge many things... But it is inevitable.

This question may be one of the most important questions that we can ask ourselves!!

Jake.

Carmody
24th June 2014, 18:01
A lot of churchgoing people believe in ET. And I was active in the Bahai community for 19 years,
and that religion actually mentions ET in their Holy Writings. Stephen Greer, who is a Baha'i said he joined the Baha'i Faith precisely because they believe in ET.

"Know thou that every star has it's own planets, and every planet it's own creatures, the number of which no man can compute" ~Baha'u'llah

Religions usually have an original revelation, and the rest is interpretation by clergy. This needs to be kept in mind, and distinguished.
The evil and deception in this world is mostly dispersed by clergymen.

And engineers and scientists of an engineering literal mindset, are at the 'mid-level rubber stamp clerics' of the modern church of dogmatic scientism. If they had been born in the middle ages, or the dark ages, instead of now, they'd be enforcing the church's way, or death, and be burning witches, or cutting people open at Jerusalem and the like, in the crusades, etc.


"These Church-sponsored wars brought some benefit to Medieval Europe. For instance, crusading allowed westerners to take advantage of the much richer East for the first time since the days of ancient Rome. It served as an outlet for Europe's youth and aggression as population exploded during the High Middle Ages (1050-1300 CE). Sending young men off to fight in a holy cause temporarily stifled the internal wars that had afflicted the West since the collapse of Roman government ."

And that is, for the most part... exactly what has gone on with modern USA.

As for the underground bases, this:


When the crusaders took Antioch in 1098 they slaughtered the inhabitants. Later the Christians were in turn besieged by Muslim reinforcements. The crusaders broke out, putting the Muslim army to flight and capturing their women. The chronicler Fulcher of Chartres was proud to record that on this occasion nothing evil (i.e. sexual) had happened, although the women had been murdered in their tents, pierced through the belly by lances. Time and time again Muslims who surrendered were killed or sold into slavery. This treatment was applied to combatants and citizens alike: women, children, the old, the infirm — anyone and everyone. At Albara the population was totally extirpated, the town then being resettled with Christians, and the mosque converted into a church. Often, the Christians offered to spare those who capitulated, but it was an unwise Muslim who accepted such a promise. A popular technique was to promise protection to all who took refuge in a particular building within the besieged city. Then after the battle, the Christians had an easy time: the men could be massacred and the women and children sold into slavery without having to carry out searches. Clerics justified this by claiming that Christians were not bound by promises made to infidels, even if sworn in the name of God. At Maarat an-Numan the pattern was repeated. The slaughter continued for three days, both Christian and Muslim accounts agreeing on the main points, although each has its own details. The Christian account describes how the Muslims" bodies were dismembered. Some were cut open to find hidden treasure, while others were cut up to eat. The Muslim account mentions that over 100,000 were killed.

When the crusaders captured Jerusalem on the 14 th July 1099, they massacred the inhabitants, Jews and Muslims alike, men, women and children. The killing continued all night and into the next day. Jews who took refuge in their synagogue were burned alive. Muslims sought refuge in the al-Aqsa mosque under the protection of a Christian banner. In the morning crusaders forced an entry and massacred them all, 70,000 according to an Arab historian, including a large number of scholars. The Temple of Solomon was so full of blood that it came up to the horses" bridles. The chronicler Raymond of Aguiliers described it as a just and wonderful judgement of God. Even before the killing was over the crusaders went to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre "rejoicing and weeping for joy" to thank God for his assistance. Muslim prisoners were decapitated, shot with arrows, forced to jump from high towers, or burned. Some were tortured first. Neither was this an isolated incident. It was wholly typical. When the crusaders took Caesarea in 1101, many citizens fled to the Great Mosque and begged the Christians for mercy. At the end of the butchery the floor was a lake of blood. In the whole city only a few girls and infants survived. Soon afterwards, there was a similar massacre at Beirut. Such barbarity shocked the Eastern world and left an impression of the Christian West that has still not been forgotten in the third millennium.

..... still exists, men don't change that fast, especially as victors who continue to breed such savage avatars.

'Not forgotten', for good reason.

Men like that still exist, they exist right now. They hide, they skulk....for good reason. These are the core components of what is running the west. They keep their dirty side hidden.

Peace of Mind
24th June 2014, 18:38
Aliens have never been proven to exist. Everyone I’ve asked to provide evidence has only provided excuses to not having any evidence of Aliens. What I will consider …is that advance human civilizations (from underground/inner Earth) have been programming the surface dwellers for centuries with lies/deceptions.
It makes more sense that secret institutions were formed many centuries ago to manipulate/condition the minds of the many. They stage abductions and blame it on “aliens” to masks their cruel intentions/involvement. An Alien invasion (false flag) will benefit corrupt governments before the masses. Easier enslavement, more personal power giving away by the people, more fear induced into the populace. Just more control, control, control... except, it's not the people in control..most will give their power away freely..

Every idea we have about aliens and the cosmos comes from NASA/TV/film/literature/ and testimonies of former government officials…hardly the trust worthy sources you want to depend on. None of these has ever produced any actual evidence, but has been very successful at producing a mind set. None of us have ever flown in a spaceship… or personally know what it feels like to be in “Outer space”. All we TRULY have is speculations, and dreams.

I study the sciences a great deal, I’m always attempting to find out what makes something work/exist…and why? I’ve presented many questions about the cosmos here/and there and they remain unanswered. How can we determine what’s really out there when all we truly see is the past? If the stars we see in the sky is the light from hundred/thousands/millions of years ago…how do we know what’s there now? How do we know there are planets circling these “ancient” lights when all we have to rely on is probes/scopes? There are galaxies that can’t be explained mathematically. Scientists/physicists are contemplating what we know to be accurate as far as math/physics go…to the point of changing text books in the organized learning institutions (schools). We still have many uncharted areas on this planet, yet we pretend to know what are light years away? Ha! We don’t even know what Dark Matter/Energy is but we know it’s there because of its gravity…and this supposedly makes up 96% of the universe. Ha! So 4% is speculated and the rest is a best guess. Huh? Want a spin on this? What if Dark Matter is actually the gravitational pull of an alternative/parallel universe….or just a hugh glob of spit/invisible plasma and we’re stuck in it.

What if we can time travel as soon as we leave Earth’s orbit….what if the cosmos is nothing but a ceiling with holes in it…and we are just a different breed of fish living in thinner water. Could we be a science experiment, and/or species sharing a galactic zoo with other species? We just don’t know. What we do know is that we need to get our act together. All religions preach this but at the same time religion is used to create war over unity. Aliens would be confused at how confused we act. They would be reluctant to engage a specie that often displays a propensity to be parasitic/insipid/selfish/egotistical/and delusional.

Any alien that has the technology to come here… would look at humans like most of us look at monkeys. You just can’t fathom the advance tech/knowledge they would have over us. We would appear insignificant due to our ways and actions. Their children would be smarter than our greatest minds. It’s hard to imagine any advance civilization from elsewhere coming here in peace. That is human mentality, yet the human mentality is trained. How can we expect other “unknown” beings to think like humans when humans hardly think for themselves? Do we venture in to our “Earthly” native species domains in peace? Well, maybe before we take them hostage/ cage them/ experiment on them/ eat them/ and take their land/resources and make it ours. Why would ET treat us any different? I imagine any such advance specie to be very organized and more knowledgeable of humans then we are of ourselves.

They will easily discover our tendencies to becoming blind followers, how quick we believe anything, and how slow we do thorough research. If they are friendly...they would be wise enough to let us grow as a species, intervention will only cause us to lose out on viable lessons that will aid in our potential and future endeavors. Only a nefarious entity will intervene instead of allow us to blossom on our own. Interventions builds stubbornness, and procrastinators. It spoils the person...not allowing it to learn from its own deeds (and lack of deeds).

No specie should exist anywhere else if it can’t learn how to exist with itself. It should die out… if it can’t learn how to heal and prosper. If all it does is destroy everything around it...and remain delusional about it...what good is it?

Religion was probably formed by these same groups that formed the new growing ET religion. It’s a fusing of the next disempowering conditioning tactic that will keep mankind divided and ignorant to their own power. It's nothing new...just upgrading/updating the programming.

Peace

Jake
24th June 2014, 19:01
Aliens have never been proven to exist. Everyone I’ve asked to provide evidence has only provided excuses to not having any evidence of Aliens. What I will consider …is that advance human civilizations (from underground/inner Earth) have been programming the surface dwellers for centuries with lies/deceptions.
It makes more sense that secret institutions were formed many centuries ago to manipulate/condition the minds of the many. They stage abductions and blame it on “aliens” to masks their cruel intentions/involvement. An Alien invasion (false flag) will benefit corrupt governments before the masses. Easier enslavement, more personal power giving away by the people, more fear induced into the populace. Just more control, control, control... except, it's not the people in control..most will give their power away freely..

Every idea we have about aliens and the cosmos comes from NASA/TV/film/literature/ and testimonies of former government officials…hardly the trust worthy sources you want to depend on. None of these has ever produced any actual evidence, but has been very successful at producing a mind set. None of us have ever flown in a spaceship… or personally know what it feels like to be in “Outer space”. All we TRULY have is speculations, and dreams.

I study the sciences a great deal, I’m always attempting to find out what makes something work/exist…and why? I’ve presented many questions about the cosmos here/and there and they remain unanswered. How can we determine what’s really out there when all we truly see is the past? If the stars we see in the sky is the light from hundred/thousands/millions of years ago…how do we know what’s there now? How do we know there are planets circling these “ancient” lights when all we have to rely on is probes/scopes? There are galaxies that can’t be explained mathematically. Scientists/physicists are contemplating what we know to be accurate as far as math/physics go…to the point of changing text books in the organized learning institutions (schools). We still have many uncharted areas on this planet, yet we pretend to know what are light years away? Ha! We don’t even know what Dark Matter/Energy is but we know it’s there because of its gravity…and this supposedly makes up 96% of the universe. Ha! So 4% is speculated and the rest is a best guess. Huh? Want a spin on this? What if Dark Matter is actually the gravitational pull of an alternative/parallel universe….or just a hugh glob of spit/invisible plasma and we’re stuck in it.

What if we can time travel as soon as we leave Earth’s orbit….what if the cosmos is nothing but a ceiling with holes in it…and we are just a different breed of fish living in thinner water. Could we be a science experiment, and/or species sharing a galactic zoo with other species? We just don’t know. What we do know is that we need to get our act together. All religions preach this but at the same time religion is used to create war over unity. Aliens would be confused at how confused we act. They would be reluctant to engage a specie that often displays a propensity to be parasitic/insipid/selfish/egotistical/and delusional.

Any alien that has the technology to come here… would look at humans like most of us look at monkeys. You just can’t fathom the advance tech/knowledge they would have over us. We would appear insignificant due to our ways and actions. Their children would be smarter than our greatest minds. It’s hard to imagine any advance civilization from elsewhere coming here in peace. That is human mentality, yet the human mentality is trained. How can we expect other “unknown” beings to think like humans when humans hardly think for themselves? Do we venture in to our “Earthly” native species domains in peace? Well, maybe before we take them hostage/ cage them/ experiment on them/ eat them/ and take their land/resources and make it ours. Why would ET treat us any different? I imagine any such advance specie to be very organized and more knowledgeable of humans then we are of ourselves.

They will easily discover our tendencies to becoming blind followers, how quick we believe anything, and how slow we do thorough research. If they are friendly...they would be wise enough to let us grow as a species, intervention will only cause us to lose out on viable lessons that will aid in our potential and future endeavors. Only a nefarious entity will intervene instead of allow us to blossom on our own. Interventions builds stubbornness, and procrastinators. It spoils the person...not allowing it to learn from its own deeds (and lack of deeds).

No specie should exist anywhere else if it can’t learn how to exist with itself. It should die out… if it can’t learn how to heal and prosper. If all it does is destroy everything around it...and remain delusional about it...what good is it?

Religion was probably formed by these same groups that formed the new growing ET religion. It’s a fusing of the next disempowering conditioning tactic that will keep mankind divided and ignorant to their own power. It's nothing new...just upgrading/updating the programming.

Peace

Wow, interesting Point of View. :) The fossil record does not show that Chimpanzees exist... Though, I have seen one... :)

I can respect your need for someone to prove it to you... People of Faith, and religion do are not waiting for YOU to be delivered proof... There is something to be said about a Dogmatic view of the world, from a scientific point of view. I do NOT put my faith in the new Religion of Science. :)

Please forgive my small challenge, it is not a judgement on you.

I am biased, my friend. I have seen what you have not seen. I do not apologize about that!! :)

There is a great day ahead for all peoples of faith,,, and for all peoples of science!!! Hahaha... You will see... It may be a challenge,, for all religions,,, (including science..)

It is worth it.
Jake.

Peace of Mind
24th June 2014, 19:47
thanks,

Chimpanzees (along with other species) may be the results of another organic experiment. A failed one? Perhaps…but that depends on one’s perspective, I don’t see them being as destructive as their suppose relatives “Humans”. Besides, the fossil records are most likely inconclusive…as we still have uncharted land on Earth and new species are still being discovered. What else is buried out there? I’m just not waiting for it to be seen on the tel-lie vision….and later to be written in His-story.
I seek no challenge, just clarity and undeniable truth to what seems to be the hottest topic.

I’m just not wired to follow without a sense of direction, nor will I judge anyone for their beliefs…the most I’ll do is ask for understanding…especially If you’re willing to present such info as if you have the data to back it up.

Seeing a UFO or what appears to be ET is not actually saying you KNOW they are ET... They could very well be governmental projects/experiments/clever testing and conditioning tactics in preparation for false flags.

The "great day" I’m waiting for only involves the well being and commitment of humanity. That great day where ET comes to visit has been said many times here for the last 5 or so years. Still no sight of them anywhere, but I do see the humans…and the monkeys….so I can only focus on what is actually there.

Patience is indeed a virtue; however, waiting has often proven to be a great waste of valuable time that could have been spent wisely on more pressing issues. Just imagine that..

Peace

Jake
24th June 2014, 20:56
thanks,

Chimpanzees (along with other species) may be the results of another organic experiment. A failed one? Perhaps…but that depends on one’s perspective, I don’t see them being as destructive as their suppose relatives “Humans”. Besides, the fossil records are most likely inconclusive…as we still have uncharted land on Earth and new species are still being discovered. What else is buried out there? I’m just not waiting for it to be seen on the tel-lie vision….and later to be written in His-story.
I seek no challenge, just clarity and undeniable truth to what seems to be the hottest topic.

I’m just not wired to follow without a sense of direction, nor will I judge anyone for their beliefs…the most I’ll do is ask for understanding…especially If you’re willing to present such info as if you have the data to back it up.

Seeing a UFO or what appears to be ET is not actually saying you KNOW they are ET... They could very well be governmental projects/experiments/clever testing and conditioning tactics in preparation for false flags.

The "great day" I’m waiting for only involves the well being and commitment of humanity. That great day where ET comes to visit has been said many times here for the last 5 or so years. Still no sight of them anywhere, but I do see the humans…and the monkeys….so I can only focus on what is actually there.

Patience is indeed a virtue; however, waiting has often proven to be a great waste of valuable time that could have been spent wisely on more pressing issues. Just imagine that..

Peace

With respect, of course I see your point. The flaw is to project your definition of proof onto others. My point about the chimpanzees, is that with science,,, we are forced to believe only what is agreed upon by others. NOT to be objective in our own right. If we abandon our dependence on 'the fossil record' then we can begin to see that it was a 'construct', in the first place. Try and consider that YOUR vision of ET involvement in the human race,, is not necessarily Theirs... :)

In my opinion, (being a first hand witness to things that you seek to trivialize,,) the onus is no longer on ANYOBODY to prove ET existence,,, the onus is on YOU, to prove that they DON'T....

The biggest reason for me to attempt to point out the subtle difference, is that this discussion is about the effect on peoples of Faith. (mainly religions) But i am extending it to science too!! I have had scientist attempt to PROVE to me that i did not love my mother... lolololol... just synapsis and neural discharges... And that love does not exist, because he cannot put it in a beaker and measure it by scientific terms. So with that said,, the nature of the enormity of unknowns that you are looking for,, WOULD challenge ALL belief systems,,, including science... (which is, btw, just another limited way of interpreting reality.)

Just a humble opinion based on experience, rather than what somebody else can show me.
Jake.

PS,, of course i don't know everything.. thanks for the perspective.

Peace of Mind
24th June 2014, 21:32
This is why I question everything. Man has become a great deceiver mostly for personal gain, this can be seen in their lack of efforts to unify the world. You cannot prove/experience something that isn't there to be examined. So how can one know when all one has is hear say/ vague testimonies from strangers? Its not like we're attempting to disclose if Big Bird is real...or not. These sought of discussions are deep...but the evedence is always shallow. Thats not a good match for a truth seeker.

Peace

Sunny-side-up
24th June 2014, 22:20
First thing I would like to say is that the title of 'Religious Faith' is a very broad collective.
Their are many religious faiths around this globe, some would die on the spot, some would say 'oh how great is our god', some would say 'can I give you this leaflet to read' and try to convert them! some would say 'welcome back'!

Then it all depends on what the ET's tell and show us all: The very concept as us as Humans might be totally challenged, our total mind set might be dashed to it's roots in such a deep way as to leave any 'Religious faith' flapping in the wind! Then of course their are those of such deep, blind 'Religious faith' that they wouldn't even see or hear them any way!

Milneman
24th June 2014, 22:36
No. It would not.

Next question. ;)

Jake
24th June 2014, 23:39
No. It would not.

Next question. ;)

Ha! Almost fell down giggling... Made me laugh. thanks.



I think ideally, it would not. I have known people of faith to become challenged over a gay sibling. The ET revalation would definately be challenging for them. If sir Isaac Newton, and a couple of math equations challenged the faith of christianity,,, then ETs would challenge the faith(s) of todays world. (to fully embrace the ET reality,is to embrace the new physics,,, ie,,, consciousness creates reality,,,) Just a humble opinion...

Hopefully not.
Jake.