3 people 'possessed' when using Ouija board

[Skywizard]

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/images/news_large/news-ouija.jpg


Three Americans who were reportedly playing with a Ouija board in a Mexican village
have been rushed to hospital after showing the sort of disturbing signs and behavior
more commonly associated with demonic possession.

Alexandra Huerta, 22, her brother Sergio, 23, and their 18-year-old cousin Fernando Cuevas were playing with a Ouija board in the village of San Juan Tlacotenco in south-west Mexico before all three became allegedly possessed by evil spirits who used the Ouija board as a gateway to enter the land of the living.

Minutes after the trio had started dabbling with the Ouija board, also known as a spirit board or talking board, Alexandra is reported to have fallen into a “trance-like” state.

The youngster is then said to have started growling maniacally like a dog and thrashed around uncontrollably like a wild animal. She is also reported to have started laughing uncontrollably and when asked why, replied, “We’re going to die.”

The Daily Mail reported that Sergio and Fernando were also said to have demonstrated visible signs of “possession” after using the Ouija board to make contact with the dead.

Alongside feelings of disorientation, blindness, and deafness, the two were also reported to have suffered from vivid hallucinations after using the Ouija board.

Alexandra’s parents explained that their child was forcibly restrained to prevent her from hurting herself and paramedics were called to the house where the Ouija board was used to take the three “possessed” friends to hospital.

According to Alexandra’s parents, paramedics were only called after a local Catholic priest had refused to preform an exorcism on the three friends because they were not regular churchgoers.

In place of holy water, crucifixes, and prayers, the paramedics used a combination of painkillers, anti-stress medication, and eye drops. The treatment apparently appeared to do the trick when it came to clearing up any symptoms caused by the Ouija board.


The director of public safety in the nearby town of Tepoztlan, Victor Demeza said:

“The medical rescue of these three young people was very complicated. They had involuntary movements and it was difficult to transfer them to the nearest hospital because they were so erratic.

It appeared as if they were in a trance-like state, apparently after playing with the Ouija board. They spoke of feeling numbness, double vision, blindness, deafness, hallucinations, muscle spasm and difficulty swallowing.”


Mr. Demeza would not comment on wether the trio who dabbled with the Ouija board were really possessed or had simply convinced themselves that was the case in an outbreak of group hysteria.

Many religions and some occultists have long warned against the dangers of using a Ouija board, and have advised that casually trying to contact the dead is never a particularly good idea.



Source: http://www.inquisitr.com/1314975/youngsters-hospitalized-after-ouija-board-leaves-them-possessed/



peace...

[Carmody]

The 'use' of the ouija board, is a form of self hypnosis.

kIAkLD9HXb4

In effect, about 85% plus, of you, is beneath the conscious state of mind.

There, in that place... much power in and of self, lies.

The story is much bigger than some idea of it being 'crap'. The exact opposite is true.

[ulli]

I got hypnotized by this guy, (Carmody's video above) and ended up seeing Will Ferrel, especially in his eyes.
So what does that tell me?
Will Ferrel in the eye of the beholder?
Let me see if I can now find Jim Carrey next...

[sirdipswitch]

The ouija board is NOT a toy, but an ancient tool of witchcraft. It can very well call things to you that you are not prepared to deal with. Way back when they hit the market big time, in the late 60s', everybody was buyin them like hotcake. Many were experiencing all sorts od wierd "stuff" in there life. My cousins wife, and her family were havin some really, realy strange things happen to them. Untill the movie Exorsist, came out, and everyone I know that had one, through them in the garbage. ccc.

Remember that movie? It was based on a true story about a little girl that had called a demon to her.

[ulli]

My experience is that these days there are plenty of people getting possessed without using a Ouija board.
You just have to walk into any bar here in rural Costa Rica...not a place I would recommend, ever.
And every single family here is carrying the weight of at least one member addicted to drugs,
and they all have entities attached to them.
So we have our work cut out, as healers.
Modern priests often don't even want to believe in exorcism any more...so good luck calling a clergyman.

[Robin]

Does anybody know if it is possible to use a Ouija board to contact benevolent spirits? I cannot deny the real possibility of the Ouija board being a platform to connect to different realms...

[Carmody]

Does anybody know if it is possible to use a Ouija board to contact benevolent spirits? I cannot deny the real possibility of the Ouija board being a platform to connect to different realms...

That may be true, but the odds of an 'open line' or 'open call' bringing advantage to a person are very slim.

No-one, or very few.. know and understand the correct protocols for making sure they get connection to what they desire to be connected with and to.

The board is not the issue, it is merely a focal system for the person to focus with. Like mantras, books, stories, myths, a soft voice, NLP voice, hypnotism, self hypnosis, regression therapy, watching tv (passive trance), Micheal Newton's past life and in-between life hypnosis, DMT trips, Buddhist training, pagan training, Scrying, dowsing, trance....and much more... all the same.

[Hervé]

The only known figure who used and still uses that avenue of communication while retaining her sanity is Laura Knight-Jadczyk. I think somewhere in her website she has videos explaining how to avoid the common pitfalls of "channeling"/calling in various "dead dudes" as she calls them.

[donk]

Does anybody know if it is possible to use a Ouija board to contact benevolent spirits? I cannot deny the real possibility of the Ouija board being a platform to connect to different realms...

That may be true, but the odds of an 'open line' or 'open call' bringing advantage to a person are very slim.

No-one, or very few.. know and understand the correct protocols for making sure they get connection to what they desire to be connected with and to.

The board is not the issue, it is merely a focal system for the person to focus with. Like mantras, books, stories, myths, a soft voice, NLP voice, hypnotism, self hypnosis, regression therapy, watching tv (passive trance), Micheal Newton's past life and in-between life hypnosis, DMT trips, Buddhist training, pagan training, Scrying, dowsing, trance....and much more... all the same.

Yeah but the boards are much more easy to access, especially for (mindless) people with no knowledge/respect of the potential in the unseen...I have been fascinated with the mass production of them, and have been thinking about how to start a thread of the implications of them being a "toy" in so many houses during that time period.

The other "same" things you mention weren't mass produced and marketed for decades as toys...I think there's a huge difference there, and it is an issue...perhaps the dark side's second most effective invention (next to the teevee...also see the Exorcist).

[Carmody]

The exorcist I know has, at times, had to deal with the after effects of people playing with the Ouija Board.

To add, the I ching, Fortune telling, psychic capacities, tarot cards, 'The essence of Jim Marrs book 'PSI spies'....all of that is all the same energetics, the same stuff - differently handled.

The board is a focus point to have one's self enter a mind-state of mind-matter manipulation, one that is everywhere in all spaces and places, in the idea of an atom, in the idea and reality of quantum mechanics...and cascading up into Newtonian/Einsteinian GR (General Relativity) and mass aggregate aspects of overt reality.

How? well, we have the greatest error in all of known human history and science, between Quantum theory and cosmological theory as tied to General relativity.

The two are in error with one another, to the tune of, get ready for it:

A factor of..

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

Or, 1x^120 of error in energetics, between the two.

You could drive multiple entire universes through a hole that big.

Yet few to none, outside of the scientific community, is aware of the size of this error or schism in the numbers.

So, you have your hole, for this reality to exist, and millions of empirical examples of observation that it is real. Billions of observations on this being real. Empirical and investigation in those areas to the tune of thousands of studies, all done via proper scientific protocol, with the correct answers coming out of them. Indisputable. it is right there. Yet, the controlled science of academia, and so on, refuses to look at it, even though it describes their 'missing numbers', their error, to utter perfection.

It is just that the average human universe... is NOT AWARE that science has the giant humongous hole in it's calculations. they don't really KNOW that science is hell bent on 1000 percent refusal to look at this broadband and wholesale descriptor for their missing energy.

Which goes back to Adam Weishaupt, secret societies.... and my personal opinion that science and academia was both created and infiltrated at the same time, as an effort to shut down this avenue of understanding in emergent systems of pure logic, which would have exposed this reality.

That we've been corrupted to go BACKWARD and away from some excruciatingly KEY components of our understanding of reality.... for the past 400 years.

The more willing we are, as individuals to realize and living the knowing of, consciously and always, in all things..that we are about 10-15% conscious, at best, and the rest... 85-90% is just a 'wobbly monkey'.... the more we can change that ratio to a better one, for ourselves and for everyone else. One cannot change that, until they realize and exist within it's knowing and living with it, as reality. The correct problem begets the correct answer. They are mirrors of one another, like all of similar nature. Know and realize and be within the problem, and then.... it begets the answer.

[Violet]

It's real alright. Stay away from it.

[donk]

I was almost through this website, it makes it seem to innocuous....I had been thinking about starting a thread:

http://www.museumoftalkingboards.com/

My best friend's sister and I were trying to figure out who opened the door, her and my sis or me and her bro...she has a nasty entity in her joint (she has more sensitivity to such things, I would guess her) since we were kids. I know in my heart and mind they have Parker Brothers to thank for that dude.

It's probably closer to a century...conscious adults, and silly kids, inviting ??? into their house.

As for benevolents? Why would they use a tool so easily used to decieve? I believe that's what determines their benevolence/malevolence, whether they decieve or not...not sure how many "honest" beings would use that to reveal themselves...

[SilentFeathers]

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/images/news_large/news-ouija.jpg


Three Americans who were reportedly playing with a Ouija board in a Mexican village
have been rushed to hospital after showing the sort of disturbing signs and behavior
more commonly associated with demonic possession.

Alexandra Huerta, 22, her brother Sergio, 23, and their 18-year-old cousin Fernando Cuevas were playing with a Ouija board in the village of San Juan Tlacotenco in south-west Mexico before all three became allegedly possessed by evil spirits who used the Ouija board as a gateway to enter the land of the living.



It's interesting how they label these three as "Americans" so strongly, yet they are obviously Mexicans, and this happened way down in Mexico....and with all the chaos and stuff happening on the boarder right now then this story pops up about demonic possession/ouiji board portals,...... and now they are talking about needing thousands of pairs of extra extra extra large underwear for refugees at the boarder?????

Perhaps it's really the nephilim crossing into the USA by the trainloads and not humans??????????????


The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency has put out a bid for 42,000 pairs of white 100-percent-cotton men’s briefs — and are in desperate need of super-sizes like 4,800 size “2X-Large,” 4,800 “3X-Large” and “4X-Large,” and 3,600 “5X-Large.”
http://nypost.com/2014/06/24/us-elastic-border-stretching-with-overweight-migrants/
http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/undies.jpg?w=720&h=480&crop=1

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I think it might be a bit inappropriate to lump Ouija in with Buddhism and meditation... those are arts of peace.

Modern Ouija is definitely meant to be adult humor, not a children's party game -- frankly, kids aren't ready for the sort of shock that is possible.

But in terms of whether it's "wrong" to use an Ouija board -- think about WHERE it was being used.
In Mexico what kind of ghosts would people expect to find? There could be spirits of people sacrificed by the Aztecs,
spirits of people killed by the Conquistadors, etc...

I think location and intention is EVERYTHING when you're using Ouija.
Because some ghosts are bound to a very specific location.
Or to family bloodlines --

Think about it -- the Eagles and Jaguars --


Gladiatorial Sacrifice

The gladiatorial sacrifice was a giant spectacle the entire city would attend. The captives would be paraded in the streets followed by eagle and jaguar warriors to the sacrifice stone. The eagle and jaguar warriors would dance around the captives and display their shields and weapons to the crowds. Once they brought the captives to the sacrifice stone, they would be tied down to it to be ceremonially killed. The captives would be forced to drink pulque to intoxicate them. They would be painted and given a sword and a shield along with four cudgels to throw. The warriors would then attack the victim who was tied down to the sacrifice stone with an obsidian laced club. The club would be used for ceremonial use and would be decorated with feathers. He would be attacked by several warriors one at a time and then if still alive would be attacked by all four together. The warriors which fought during the gladiatorial sacrifice would be eagle and jaguar warriors. If the captive fought off all of them, he would then have to fend himself against a left handed warrior. If captives were not killed this way, then they would be killed the following day by the offering priests. The gladiatorial sacrifice was done as a ceremony, for the return of warriors with their captives. The gladiatorial sacrifices would be held during the month of the Feast of the Flaying of Men.

Mexico is not where i would play Ouija the first time or two.

[Wind]

Sometimes it's just better not to play with fire... Humans have the tendency to be curious creatures, but curiosity killed the cat too. Some of the (pandora's) boxes should be just kept shut. It's like giving a loaded gun to a baby, absolutely stupid and irresponsible, people will get hurt. I just advise not to play with these energies. We already have enough problems dealing with many dark energies. If you want the help of benevolent beings, you have this thing called prayer. Works like a charm even if your conscious mind doesn't always notice it.

[Carmody]

About 18-20 minutes in:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1p7s00_the-inexplicable-universe-episode-5-inexplicable-space_shortfilms

Watching the whole episode is best, as it is then in context.

He says, 'What it seems to mean, is that we are driving blind, at best".

Also included is the flat universes as seen by Micheal newton's subjects in hypnosis, as they near the junction or area, where they enter this particular system of a universe. Ie this universe as seen from outside, astral/higher memories/recollections of such.

This takes you right into Joseph Farrell's books, and how they clearly illustrate scientific and general suppression of the true nature of reality.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Sometimes it's just better not to play with fire... Humans have the tendency to be curious creatures, but curiosity killed the cat too. Some of the (pandora's) boxes should be just kept shut. It's like giving a loaded gun to a baby, absolutely stupid and irresponsible, people will get hurt. I just advise not to play with these energies. We already have enough problems dealing with many dark energies. If you want the help of benevolent beings, you have this thing called prayer. Works like a charm even if your conscious mind doesn't always notice it.
I see what you mean, but to some cultures, spiritual familiarity was as common as getting one's feet wet!

[Carmody]

The issue is now that it is TIME for the idea called humanity to become logically and consciously aware of the nature of reality..in this place.

To go from the unconsciousness of the avatar design... the training wheels to come off, and for the avatar to visit these things as, of, and in a conscious state of being.

To enlarge the avatar's genetic capacity for their size of a 'now moment' of consciousness bubble.

[donk]

Couldn’t these things be devices consciously created to divert our attention though? Generate problems, that occupy our time/minds/energy?

You say academia may have been created AND Co-opted/infiltrated at the same time…but what if it was just CREATED—that way?

I understand our personal responsibility to find the truth, but is it outside the realm of possibility that it’s not ALL our creation? That an external force is (effectively) trying to prevent the TIME being now (or ever)?

[Violet]

Hello there, Donk, Ouija is not a device. You don't need the board, you can just write the letters on scrap office paper, if you like, and then cut the squares out and make an imaginary board and it will work all the same.

The reason why it will not be prohibited as a toy (from being sold openly, readily) is because that would imply an authoritative acknowledgment of other realms which probably coincides with motivations of other authorities not acknowledging, for instance, unidentified objects spotted here and there.

Of course then you could wonder, is mass hysteria really going to break out once people realise all that stuff is real...Well, who knows? In terms of mass hysteria, people seem quite unaffected by some gruesome things going on in the world right now, wars, famine, children abused and exploited. Everything is being watched on TV as entertainment to go with the soup.

So, i'm not sure if people like that can really be driven into hysteria by a wooden board or a saucer (anymore).

I doubt this is a deliberate tool (I already explained the board is not a required tool) to keep us busy. In fact keeping us busy, here, would be a euphemism for messing people's life up or ending it altogether.

No, I see this as a medium that by now is understood by both parties to be an agreement between the parties (humans and the others) to communicate on a ... very unstable, volatile, unsafe basis. Both parties know the risks. Humans that engage here are actually driven by the risk. They're bored, they want action and excitement. The other party is intelligent enough to know this and if they are also bad enough, they will exploit it. That is why, I think, it's mostly bad entities that answer such calls, it's the easiest way to a prey. The good entities - I heard - also drop by in Ouija, but - I'm guessing now - maybe once they come and see that the human audience that called them is not at all interested in an intellectual dialogue to gain whatever deeper understanding of things and basically are just out to use them in order to gain some quick and meaningless information (is my boyfriend cheating on me, am I wearing panties right now, how many beers will I have finished by midnight), they are put off and not motivated to come back anymore. Maybe a few charity workers persist to warn users of the risks, I don't know.

Just, watch your kids and watch the movies (esp. horror movies) that they watch. A lot of these movies romanticise the use of this board. Kids will want to try it. And when they do, they are in great danger.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

If Ouija is real I wonder if the gov't has rooms full of agents questioning the spirits somewhere.

Like, China has rooms full of data miners?
What if we have rooms full of tables?

It reminds me of the calculator vs. the abacus... lol

p.s. people are marketing this **** to kids kind of hard imo:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UApAUBaZCrA/RZSdA3jqEeI/AAAAAAAAAAk/pWyM7MxZyyc/s1600/hellboy_ouij.jpg

eek

[OMG]

Hypnosis is a form of black magic since it imposes someone else's intent onto another without their conscious consent. It's a form of rape and taking advantage of others...

[Hip Hipnotist]

Hypnosis is a form of black magic since it imposes someone else's intent onto another without their conscious consent. It's a form of rape and taking advantage of others...



Perhaps I should consider selling ouija boards to my hypnosis clients since some in the 'real world' like to think/believe they are one and the same. The only connection is we both charge for our services. You have to pay for a ouija board and you have to pay for my time. That's the connection. However, I must admit, sometimes I offer my time for less than the cost of a ouija board. ;)

But back to your comment:

The only intent I as a hypnotherapist (( or hip hipnotist :cool: )) would impose onto a client is to assist said client into obtaining a positive result to the challenge they came to alleviate. And in the vast majority of cases the results are positive because of their conscious consent, not without it. Without it there would be no session. They are educated on what hypnosis is and isn't. It is NOT what you see in the movies and on television. It is NOT black magic. It is SIMPLY a heightened state of suggestibility. That's it. No magic. No voodoo. No nonesense. If whatever that suggestion pertains to is not something a person ( my client ) would do when not under a heightened state of suggestibility then they WON'T accept it when in a heightened state of suggestibility. Again, That's it. If you don't 'believe' you could ever quit smoking then you never will -- with our without the assistance of a hypnotherapist. Some hypnotherapists either don't know how or just don't ask the right questions during a pre-talk. There are good and not-so-good hypnotherapists. There are good and not-so-good doctors. There are good and...

"Hypnosis is a form of rape and taking advantage of others..."

If ever you decide on taking the plunge ( hypnosis ) with me I promise I won't rape or take advantage of you. Seriously. :rolleyes:

And perhaps I should comment on the actual use of ouija boards. Nah. You didn't. Why should I. :confused:

[joeecho]

The board is not the issue, it is merely a focal system for the person to focus with. Like mantras....., all the same.

I find this apparently simple concept fascinating.

[Dorjezigzag]

My experience is that these days there are plenty of people getting possessed without using a Ouija board.
You just have to walk into any bar here in rural Costa Rica...not a place I would recommend, ever.
And every single family here is carrying the weight of at least one member addicted to drugs,
and they all have entities attached to them.
So we have our work cut out, as healers.
Modern priests often don't even want to believe in exorcism any more...so good luck calling a clergyman.
1DL7SOEKDoc

[Craig]

is the particle collider at cern a 21st century take into peering into these other realms?

[giovonni]

somethings best left alone ...

[Violet]

If they're just a little smart, they should have disclaimers on them but those are tricky too because you don't want to be acknowledging too much "potential hazard".



If Ouija is real I wonder if the gov't has rooms full of agents questioning the spirits somewhere.

Like, China has rooms full of data miners?
What if we have rooms full of tables?

It reminds me of the calculator vs. the abacus... lol

p.s. people are marketing this **** to kids kind of hard imo:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UApAUBaZCrA/RZSdA3jqEeI/AAAAAAAAAAk/pWyM7MxZyyc/s1600/hellboy_ouij.jpg

eek

[DNA]

I have absolutely no problem with board play. A lot of excellent material has come from using Ouija boards.
The Seth Material, The Michael teachings, and as far as hypnosis is concerned Edgar Cayce.

As far as possession goes, most of the people in this world are the equivalent of oceanic coral reefs in so far as the fourth dimensional creatures using them for habitat.


I like the statement earlier about addiction to drugs. Folks think it is the drug/alcohol addiction that opens the doors. I personally think it is the act of obsessing. And you can remove drugs and insert any number of things. Sex, Money, Status, Material Objects. There is nothing wrong with wanting the basics and security, but it is the act of obsessing itself that weakens the natural defenses.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the Ouija board, as long as you don't obsess over it.

Strangely enough it seems that obsessing over possession can lead to possession. :)

[Skywizard]

"it imposes someone else's intent onto another without their conscious consent"

I think this story 'hits the nail on the head' OMG... :lol:

'Hypnotist bandit' robs four banks in a month

A robber who allegedly hypnotizes bank tellers in to giving
him money is being pursued by police.

The mysterious thief appeared to rely not on guns, knives or other
conventional weapons but on his strange hypnotic stare to steal
money from at least four different banks across Manhattan over
the last few weeks.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/268139/hypnotist-bandit-robs-four-banks-in-a-month

[Zaya]

It's interesting because there was a time in the 90s where movies, TV, and literature was absolutely saturated with this stuff... pushing Ouija boards and witchcraft amongst young women. You could hardly turn on the TV without seeing something related... Buffy, Passions, Charmed, The Craft, Practical Magic, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Teen Witch, Little Witches, Hocus Pocus, Etc. Not to mention the flood of kids shows pushing it too... I seem to remember an episode of this kids show "Are you Afraid of the Dark" where they used a board... It was seriously everywhere. Inescapable. Young adult literature still to this day is completely saturated in the topic.

The scary part is that as a kid, I remember being very taken with this stuff and wanting to play with magic and even created a fake "coven" with friends which thankfully lasted about two seconds. I remember this being REALLY common amongst young women of that time. Is this some kind of early programming for women? Why all the push towards dark subject matter? Looking back, I wish my parents had been a bit stricter of me and sat me down and explained this stuff. I just thought it was cool, and I never considered the consequences.

[Hip Hipnotist]

"it imposes someone else's intent onto another without their conscious consent"

I think this story 'hits the nail on the head' OMG... :lol:

'Hypnotist bandit' robs four banks in a month

A robber who allegedly hypnotizes bank tellers in to giving
him money is being pursued by police.

The mysterious thief appeared to rely not on guns, knives or other
conventional weapons but on his strange hypnotic stare to steal
money from at least four different banks across Manhattan over
the last few weeks.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/268139/hypnotist-bandit-robs-four-banks-in-a-month

I absolutely love this 'stuff'.

If it was just that easy I could save my clients' loads of time and $$ by just staring at them. :rolleyes:

This is the 'stuff' that gives ( actual ) hypnosis a bad reputation. So the dude gives them a note telling them basically 'this is a stick up' and just stares at them. If I were a bank teller ( shudder at the thought ) and a dirtbag ( that's what he is, not a hypnotist ) hands me a 'stick up' note I don't care if he stares at me, smiles at me, sticks his tongue out at me, picks his nose and wipes it on me -- he's gettin' the cash! I ain't waiting for the barrel of a .45 pointing at my pearly whites. If he was an actual hypnotist he at least would have offered to help her/them to quit smoking, drinking, curb obsessive eating, find a real job etc. before taking the loot.

So because he happens to 'stare' at them the MSM dubs him the "Hypnotist Bandit".

This is the original link to the story: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-hypnotist-bandit-strikes-manhattan-beach-20140623-story.html

And from the L.A. Times of all sources.

No wonder I moved deep into the mountains.

Now if you'll excuse me I've got a client coming soon and I've got to work on my 'stare'. :wizard:

BTW: I have nothing against bank tellers. Some of my best friends are, are... ah, -- never mind.

[OMG]

Hypnosis is a form of black magic since it imposes someone else's intent onto another without their conscious consent. It's a form of rape and taking advantage of others...



Perhaps I should consider selling ouija boards to my hypnosis clients since some in the 'real world' like to think/believe they are one and the same. The only connection is we both charge for our services. You have to pay for a ouija board and you have to pay for my time. That's the connection. However, I must admit, sometimes I offer my time for less than the cost of a ouija board. ;)

But back to your comment:

The only intent I as a hypnotherapist (( or hip hipnotist :cool: )) would impose onto a client is to assist said client into obtaining a positive result to the challenge they came to alleviate. And in the vast majority of cases the results are positive because of their conscious consent, not without it. Without it there would be no session. They are educated on what hypnosis is and isn't. It is NOT what you see in the movies and on television. It is NOT black magic. It is SIMPLY a heightened state of suggestibility. That's it. No magic. No voodoo. No nonesense. If whatever that suggestion pertains to is not something a person ( my client ) would do when not under a heightened state of suggestibility then they WON'T accept it when in a heightened state of suggestibility. Again, That's it. If you don't 'believe' you could ever quit smoking then you never will -- with our without the assistance of a hypnotherapist. Some hypnotherapists either don't know how or just don't ask the right questions during a pre-talk. There are good and not-so-good hypnotherapists. There are good and not-so-good doctors. There are good and...

"Hypnosis is a form of rape and taking advantage of others..."

If ever you decide on taking the plunge ( hypnosis ) with me I promise I won't rape or take advantage of you. Seriously. :rolleyes:

And perhaps I should comment on the actual use of ouija boards. Nah. You didn't. Why should I. :confused:


It's good to try and help people and I'm sure there are more than enough people who feel hypnosis can help them. Yet trying to help someone when they are in a "heightened state of suggestibility" is an oxymoron. We ALL need to take personal response-ability for our own psychological and emotional states.

That said, the real culprits are those that use hypnosis towards their own ends, as opposed to those who use it for clinical applications. More could be said but we'll leave it there for now. How does the saying go, those with ears...

[joeecho]

Strangely enough it seems that obsessing over possession can lead to possession. :)

Odd how that work, right?

Metaphysical action.....amazing how consistent it is.

I am intrigued by what Carmody said about Ouija boards and its connection to focal systems.

On the subject of FOCUS:

It amazes me when I step back from my life, which is relatively simplified other the a full-time job, and still how many things compete for my attention. I can only imaging what it must be like with people that have busier lives then I and what it does to their heads.

Then there are seemingly important things and life events in the world that appear to have so much more to say but then they just drift off into obscurity for the next big thing.

You could say that about threads on Avalon. They too just drift off into obscurity for the next thread and on and on...

Are we all ADHD or maybe it's just 'normal'? ;)

Is being unfocused a prep for a focal system? Is being unfocused a prep for hypnosis or mind control or possession?

This is really potent subject matter if what is being said about the Ouija board on this thread is true.

I experienced a Ouija board briefly and casually as a teenager and remember it being so inert but from all I have read on here, it is anything but.